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Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, what's up man?

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Speaker 2: How are you doing good?

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Speaker 3: How are you? I'm around from being I was having

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Speaker 3: some fun with some friends. Just got back to the

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Speaker 3: apartment and calming down. How about you?

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Speaker 1: You texted me and said I've been in a loving

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Speaker 1: relationship with the porn star I hired as an escort

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Speaker 1: over a year ago.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's basically true. I feel like you had some

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Speaker 3: people connected to sex work on the podcast before and

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Speaker 3: it has never really resolved in anything interesting, like you've

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Speaker 3: just been scratching the surface. So I thought it would

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Speaker 3: be kind of interesting to have more of the in

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Speaker 3: depth conversation where yeah, basically maybe i'mswering some more interesting questions,

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Speaker 3: and I feel like you've been kind of interested but

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Speaker 3: never gotten any really good, like indepth feedback on the situation.

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Speaker 3: So there's some potential there.

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Speaker 1: Okay, listen, I mean, yeah, we've talked to like, you know,

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Speaker 1: OnlyFans people and you know, escorts and stuff. But listen,

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Speaker 1: all right, you know what, Listen, I feel like we've

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Speaker 1: had some pretty in depth conversations on this show. Clearly

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Speaker 1: you you believe differently, So I'm gonna put the onus

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Speaker 1: on you. Where do you? Where do you believe we

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Speaker 1: have not what are the blanks you believe that we

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Speaker 1: need uh filling in?

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Speaker 3: So I think, like I think surface level, like being

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Speaker 3: in the situation that I'm in, it's it's kind of

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Speaker 3: interesting if you're a horny like that's when people are

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Speaker 3: really that's when someone would be really fascinated by the situation.

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Speaker 3: But then in like in real life, it kind of

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Speaker 3: turns into a different thing, Like it sounds like a

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Speaker 3: brag when you kind of talk about it surface level,

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Speaker 3: but then actually going into that type of situation might

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Speaker 3: be a bit different, and then it might uncover some

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Speaker 3: other stuff like how does this actually how does that

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Speaker 3: type of this type of relationship actually work in practice?

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Speaker 3: How does someone's experience coming from that work and going

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Speaker 3: into a mature, loving relationship actually translate? And you would

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Speaker 3: think that there's a lot of I think there's a

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Speaker 3: lot of stigma, and also being in that situation and

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Speaker 3: starting to google and looking up people sharing experiences online,

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Speaker 3: it just turns into a lot of I think most

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Speaker 3: of the stuff you read is just made up. It's

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Speaker 3: basically just sex fantasies. But actually going being in the situation,

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Speaker 3: it actually revealed a lot of interesting stuff.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so listen. You know you've revealed a lot of

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Speaker 1: your opinions and esotericisms and whatnot, But tell me the

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Speaker 1: story what actually happens with you.

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Speaker 3: So basically, I was in a I think I picked

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Speaker 3: the cowards way way out of a relationship where there

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Speaker 3: wasn't really anything wrong and I was really able to

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Speaker 3: have that talk. So I started looking into being probably

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Speaker 3: like a very dark cope to that old situation. So

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Speaker 3: I was forcing a situation where I would actually have

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Speaker 3: to end the relationship. Like I put myself in a

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Speaker 3: really bad situation where I was I was forcing myself

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Speaker 3: the whole thing.

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Speaker 1: So you so you started, you so you started you

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Speaker 1: start seeing escorts outside of your relationship to self sabotage

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Speaker 1: the relationship because you didn't want to end it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, basically, I think that's the short version of the story. Okay,

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Speaker 3: Uh so I ended I ended up in that situation

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Speaker 3: where I met someone where there wasn't like really sparks

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Speaker 3: on the initial meetup. But it's some I think some

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Speaker 3: happy accidents led to us, like randomly meeting where she

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Speaker 3: I think I was just still in like the whole

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Speaker 3: self sabotage, like the destructive pattern. But then it turned

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Speaker 3: into like a really really nice thing, and I guess

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Speaker 3: going from there, I was kind of expecting like all

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Speaker 3: like the expected what would you say, all the expected

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Speaker 3: reasons why you don't put yourself in this situation. It's

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Speaker 3: kind of like this is like the version of dating

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Speaker 3: a stripper on steroids. But like as soon as we

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Speaker 1: So she was she still So is she still working

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Speaker 1: as an escort while you guys are dating.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, for the first couple of months, which is probably

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Speaker 3: one of the most painful periods of my life. I've

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Speaker 1: Wait, hold on, but but I I'm I'm if you're

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Speaker 1: going to get involved with an escort, wouldn't you wouldn't

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Speaker 1: you know what you're signing up for? Why was that

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Speaker 3: Oh, because this was one of the things that were

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Speaker 3: established early on is that she was transitioning into a

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Speaker 1: Where it's she had long term she had long term

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Speaker 3: No, she was basically she had a couple of months

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Speaker 3: some different studies. And I didn't want to really disturb that,

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Speaker 3: especially considering how are like in relationship or what do

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Speaker 3: no right to like a demand that she would stop

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Speaker 3: this because like I would already participated in it. Okay,

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Speaker 3: So I was trying to be grown up about it

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Speaker 3: knew that this would be yeah, like a good way

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Speaker 1: Okay, And so how's your guys' relationship going now?

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Speaker 3: Really good? Like surprisingly good? I think both me and

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Speaker 3: most of the people surrounding me, was expecting this to

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Speaker 3: been going really really well.

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Speaker 1: Great, great, So okay, so wait, you started this whole

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Speaker 1: call by being like, oh, we've only scratched the surface

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Speaker 1: of sex work before. What what are we what are

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Speaker 3: So, for example, when it comes to intimacy, you would

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Speaker 3: think that I was expecting this to be a lot

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Speaker 3: more problematic, like to get to kind of like a

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Speaker 3: because for most people this is just more like a

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Speaker 3: an expectation to have a good time and be close

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Speaker 3: like a very transactional starting point for the whole thing.

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Speaker 3: But it's actually actually been really really nice, Like that

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Speaker 3: I was also thinking that someone who's used to all

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Speaker 3: every romantic interaction, being so transactional, would also kind of

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Speaker 3: mess things up, but uh that that's also been really

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Speaker 3: nice because think most of the differences there is that

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Speaker 3: differences in the gender roles in a relationship, and that's okay.

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Speaker 3: At the beginning, I was kind of thinking that it

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Speaker 3: but it's actually been also been surprisingly easy. Like we

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Speaker 3: come from where the western part of the world.

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Speaker 1: Where we're from, where.

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Speaker 3: The fifty I think I'm gonna keep that out out

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Speaker 1: What's what's what's what's the country? What's whole? On? I

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Speaker 1: have your country code? Hold on, I'm docs in your country.

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Speaker 3: You're from the country?

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Speaker 1: Can I can I say what country you're from?

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Speaker 3: It's the country let's say Western versus Eastern Europe. All right,

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Speaker 3: I'm from Western Where.

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Speaker 1: You're coming in here? You're like, I'm from a place

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Speaker 1: that I'm not going to tell you what it is

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Speaker 1: where we do things in a certain way on your podcast.

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Speaker 1: You don't know what you're fucking talking about. Love it

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Speaker 1: with me here, God that what's your name? Dude? My

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Speaker 3: Uh? What's my name? Give me a name? You're really

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Speaker 3: going to keep it. Give me give me your name,

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Speaker 3: all right.

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Speaker 1: Your name is John.

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Speaker 3: Oh that sounds good.

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Speaker 1: Okay, your name is John.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's very sitting with the situation present.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, sure, okay, all right John, Okay. So all right,

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Speaker 1: so you're from Europe where uh it's more fifty to fifty, right,

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Speaker 1: and then where is this okay, eastern? Either tell me

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Speaker 1: where you're from more? Stop doing this.

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Speaker 3: It's so important for for what I'm talking about, it's

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Speaker 3: western perier. Europe is more of a I think, more

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Speaker 1: And then I'm a whole lot. I'm done talking about

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Speaker 1: where you're from. Where's this lady from?

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Speaker 3: Okay?

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Speaker 2: Where's this lady from eastern part of Europe?

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Speaker 1: Okay? All right, so she's more traditional? Yeah okay, So

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Speaker 1: how does that play out in the relationship?

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Speaker 3: Basically, as a man, you're more of a provider. It's

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Speaker 1: Uh huh okay, So how's that playing are you?

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Speaker 4: Are you?

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Speaker 1: Are you enjoying being a provider.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so. I think we're doing kind of

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Speaker 3: school Eastern European gender roles, you have more of I think,

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Speaker 3: I like the worst case, it's usually men who basically

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Speaker 4: John.

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Speaker 3: John.

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Speaker 1: I'm not asking you your opinion about I'm asking like

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Speaker 1: how it plays out in your life, Like what's the

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Speaker 1: how does it happen in your situation?

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Speaker 3: I think the most relevant part of it is that

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Speaker 3: by being more in the being more a provider but

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Speaker 3: also being able to give emotional support, I feel a

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Speaker 3: lot more purpose that I'm used to from before, which

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Speaker 1: So you feel a lot more purpose in this provider

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Speaker 1: role than you did in your more fifty to fifty relationships.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say, so, there's nothing wrong with that

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Speaker 3: fifty fifty thing. But for me, I think just a

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Speaker 3: really important part of being I think just anyone but

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Speaker 3: now you're you have some sort of purpose and that's

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Speaker 3: been like, there's nothing wrong with coming from a fifty

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Speaker 3: fifty type of situation either. I mean my old relationship

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Speaker 3: there's like this kind of gives almost banal when I

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Speaker 3: able to, Yeah, just have like this very simple function

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Speaker 3: talk about difficult stuff, give input on that type of things.

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Speaker 1: Totally. So are you and this lady gonna get married

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Speaker 3: Maybe that's kind of the fascinating part because I was

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Speaker 1: Sure, what do you what do you do?

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Speaker 1: Let's see what else. Well, thanks for sharing. I feel

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Speaker 3: Yeah, do you think about someone in my situation? The thing,

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Speaker 1: What do I think about someone in your situation?

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Speaker 3: Now? Is there anything you were curious about when you're like,

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Speaker 1: More No, no, no, your situation sounds I mean, look, you

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Speaker 3: There's actually really refreshing that you're saying this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's like stigma. I mean, I I

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Speaker 1: as you're both happy, I don't see why this is

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Speaker 3: Yeh, yeah, I guess you're a lot more open minded

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Speaker 3: So the impact of bringing this up, huh, I think

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Speaker 3: quite really, I feel like there's something therapeutic about you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, yeah, sure, I mean what, like, what

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 3: you don't. You don't have any We don't have a

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Speaker 1: But yeah, but there's no part of any of what

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess just the two questions, you percent, that

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Speaker 1: Okay, good things are going well for this Eastern European

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Speaker 1: Julie may think the east one from the west. What's

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Speaker 1: your name again, John? John? Is there anything to say?

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Speaker 1: Is there is there anything you want to say to

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Speaker 3: Uh oh, yeah, I didn't prepare for this part.

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Speaker 2: Mh.

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Speaker 3: Probably don't go into the situation I got myself into

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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, maybe there's more potential in this. People

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Speaker 3: Like the stereotype is don't start dating strippers, but uh my,

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Speaker 3: I might end up with maybe I was starting a

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Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, listen, I mean listen, I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I would like to add that when I was

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Speaker 1: You know what I we had. You know, we had

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Speaker 1: and uh, you know we're all going home better for it.

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Speaker 3: Yep. And I'm definitely not going to read the comments.

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Speaker 1: Do that, dude, Do what feels right for you in

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Speaker 1: your life, my friends, That's all I got to say.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I like that. Those last words are better than mine.

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Speaker 1: I'll see you around the universe, John.

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Speaker 3: YouTube, get a good one you later.

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Speaker 1: I have John's country code, per his wishes. I won't

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Speaker 1: I don't know John John, John, John John. Isn't it

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Speaker 4: Okay, Hello, mister geto.

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Speaker 1: Hello to whom am I speaking.

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Speaker 4: Depending, I'll just call myself read Red just to be

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Speaker 4: no offense to you of.

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Speaker 1: So, what's up, Red? What's going on?

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Speaker 4: So my soon to be ex wife she fucked her

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Speaker 4: coworker and I we're gonna have We're gonna have to

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Speaker 4: to place, okay, but I'm going to start on the

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Speaker 4: twenty second of April of this year. That is when she.

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Speaker 1: Had told me, So, this really is like a court thing.

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Speaker 1: It was like your testimony.

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Speaker 4: Yes, it will be a court thing, especially with the stuff,

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Speaker 4: So April twenty second, you know, two days before that,

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Speaker 4: The next day, says the same thing. You know, it

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Speaker 4: And then later that night, the twenty second, I get

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Speaker 4: a few minutes later, seeing how angry it made me,

443
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 4: she said, oh, she was lying about the freeing apart,

444
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 4: they just made out. Well, it didn't really calm me down,

445
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 4: and I got her to leave the house because I

446
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 4: wanted to be alone, and I started drinking, and I

447
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 4: said some things I shouldn't have that got me landed

448
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 4: in the looney bin for four days. And then I

449
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 4: come home. She's taking the kids and left the house.

450
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 1: How many kids you got, man?

451
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 3: Two?

452
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: Two? How old are you?

453
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 2: I'm twenty one, you're twenty one?

454
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 4: Yes, sir?

455
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 1: Holy shit? Man is gone? All right man?

456
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 4: And so you know, I get back, I'm like freaking

457
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 4: out because being trapped in Newly been for four days

458
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 4: and no phone, no nothing. You want to see your kids.

459
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 4: That's the one thing you want to do when you

460
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 4: get out. And that's what I was banking on. I

461
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 4: thought we were going to come back. I was going

462
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 4: to talk about it with her, because you know, four

463
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 4: days is a long time to cool off, and the

464
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 4: emotions were high with me. But I get back in it.

465
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, I get so so mad, and I

466
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 4: probably the only people I can which is my own family.

467
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 4: And for two days I am alone in the house

468
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 4: with nothing really to do. And eventually my father comes

469
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 4: all the way down from Ohio and he stays with

470
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 4: me and he helps me pack up my things and

471
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 4: all that. And then on the twenty fifth, my wife

472
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 4: comes to the house to talk and stuff and have

473
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 4: me see the kids and all that, and my dad's there,

474
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 4: and you know, we're talking. I'm saying, well, I just

475
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 4: want to have a good relationship with you for the

476
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 4: kids and all that.

477
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 3: And I meant it.

478
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 4: I meant it, and she was like, yeah, I understand.

479
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 4: I'm sorry this all happened. I wish it didn't have

480
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 4: to go this way. But then we go into our

481
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 4: what was our bedroom, the master bedroom, while my father

482
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 4: is out in the living room to talk privately, and

483
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 4: that leads one thing leads to another, and we have

484
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 4: intimate relations again.

485
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 3: Way you know, yeah, I know, I know.

486
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 1: Okay, You're okay, dude, Wait, you're you're okay.

487
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 4: As of today, we are not legally separated or divorced.

488
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 4: We are still legally married.

489
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: Okay. So she cheated on you with this guy, and

490
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 1: then you blew up on her. So she takes the

491
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: kids and leaves, and then you say a bunch of

492
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: you you you what you probably said you were gonna

493
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: kill yourself and then or or hurt someone or something,

494
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: and then you go to the mental you get locked up,

495
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: and then you get out to see the kids. And

496
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: the first time that you meet up with her again.

497
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: You got you go into a different room while your

498
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: kids and their grandfather are in another room, and then

499
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 1: you and her have sex.

500
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:31,959
Speaker 4: Yes, it was.

501
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: That's so funny.

502
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 4: I know it was. It was, you know, like the

503
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 4: last time, and you know, I was feeling emotional and

504
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 4: she was feeling emotional, and you know, we didn't know

505
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 4: if we're ever gonna see each other like that again,

506
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 4: and so.

507
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 2: You know we did it.

508
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 4: Okay, Well after that, you know, she leaves and.

509
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: You guys, you guys sound you guys sound in love.

510
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 4: By the way, Oh wait till you get too late

511
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 4: to the later. Stay just wait, it gets better. So

512
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:10,720
Speaker 4: she leaves right and about a day or two later,

513
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 4: you know, we spend me and my dad. It was

514
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:17,359
Speaker 4: in Alabama, but me and him, we spend a day

515
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 4: and a half driving from Alabama to Florida, back and forth,

516
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,280
Speaker 4: back and forth to pick up most of my stuff.

517
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 4: And it only took about two trips. And so I started,

518
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 4: I believe I started living in Florida, you know, as

519
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:37,240
Speaker 4: much as this kind of sounds, you know, silly or whatever,

520
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 4: I'm living at my mom's house because I needed to leave.

521
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 4: I need to get out of there. One because her

522
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 4: father had sent me threatening text messages and he has

523
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 4: threatened to murder me before in a bunt in front

524
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,240
Speaker 4: of a family. So I left because I was scared

525
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 4: and that I need that we needed space. So I'm

526
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 4: in Florida talking over the phone. She you know, she says, oh, well,

527
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 4: I notice that you're changing and you're giving me everything

528
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 4: I finally needed, which I'm not gonna lie. I did

529
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 4: some things I probably shouldn't have in the relationship, or

530
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 4: I should have tried to do more. I don't fault

531
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 4: I don't fault her for that, but you know, she's

532
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 4: telling me these things. She's saying, I accept you. You know,

533
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 4: I want to I want to make it work. I

534
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 4: want to try again. And I'm and I'm like, yeah,

535
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:31,919
Speaker 4: I want to as well. You know, I can get

536
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 4: over her making out with her coworker. Well, about a

537
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 4: week later, she calls me. She says, if I remember. Quickly,

538
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:48,879
Speaker 4: She's like, would you can I trust you? And I'm

539
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 4: like yeah, And so she knows. She kind of drills

540
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 4: it even more, like are you sure I can trust you?

541
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 4: I was like, what have I done to not to

542
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 4: lose your trust? Now? And so she agrees to that right. Well,

543
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 4: then she says, I'm gonna have to I need you

544
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 4: to listen, not say a word, and I need to

545
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 4: start from the beginning, and so you know, I'm I've

546
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 4: been trying to change the whole time. So instead of

547
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 4: interjecting like I usually do, and all that, I listened.

548
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 4: I shut my mouth for once, And so I'm listening

549
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 4: and she's talking about the party that they had because

550
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 4: her and her coworker are both in the Air Force

551
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 4: as of right now and whenever all this happened, So

552
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 4: they were having a going away party for one of

553
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 4: their coworkers because he got kicked out because he did

554
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 4: a shitty job. So it started there. And you know,

555
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 4: at this point, I was used to her going over

556
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 4: to his dorm to you know, drink and you know,

557
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 4: relax and unwind, and she'd always come back. So I

558
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 4: k didn't I didn't know. I didn't know what was going on.

559
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:03,399
Speaker 4: But them two had gone out to eat with him.

560
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 4: They left together in the same car, and he doesn't

561
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 4: have a car, nor does he have a license, so

562
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 4: it's her driving, excuse me, and she drives him back

563
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 4: to hurt his dorm, and you know, he's like, oh,

564
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 4: come on, let's come come drink with me, you know

565
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 4: all that, And she's like, no, I don't know. Well

566
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 4: then she reluctantly agrees and she goes up and they

567
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,359
Speaker 4: start drinking. Keep in mind, she is not twenty one.

568
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,240
Speaker 4: She should not be drinking. He is committing a crime

569
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 4: in the US.

570
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: MJ okay, okay, all right.

571
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 4: So and so they're okay, continue sorroser.

572
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, man, you're losing me a

573
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 1: little bit. I'm trying to understand.

574
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:45,760
Speaker 4: Where I understand.

575
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 2: It's a lot to take in.

576
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 1: Where where's okay, where are you guys at right now? Like?

577
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: What's like? What's that like? So this is all after

578
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 1: she cheated on you with him at the beginning, and

579
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,359
Speaker 1: now the three of you guys are all hanging out.

580
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 4: No, I'm not anywhere. I'm at home taking care of

581
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 4: our two kids because I quit my job to be

582
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 4: a stay at home father, okay, and I stayed at

583
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 4: home with them. I currently have no job, no income,

584
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 4: and she drained all the bank accounts on the twenty second,

585
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 4: so I wasn't able to even buy anything.

586
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:15,839
Speaker 2: M hm.

587
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. Where is she now? As you guys are

588
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:21,839
Speaker 1: still married.

589
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 4: She is having relations with him. Oh the house that

590
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 4: we both bought.

591
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 1: Oh, so where are you?

592
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 4: I am in Florida with my mother with the kids.

593
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: Nope, where are the kids?

594
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 4: The kids are ten minutes away from me with a

595
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 4: man that will kill me if I go anywhere near him.

596
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: Dude, what yep, she.

597
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 4: Left him here for a week. It was a plan.

598
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 1: Oh wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait, So

599
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: the kids are with her?

600
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 4: No, the kids are with their granddad, not my father,

601
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 4: my soon to be ex father in law.

602
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: Okay, see, your children are with your ex wife's dad, Yes, sir,

603
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: And your ex wife is off, has a new life

604
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 1: with the guy that her coworker guy mm hmm. And

605
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: the great why is the grandpa going to kill you?

606
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:34,919
Speaker 4: Because our arguments got physical. That's why I'm not gonna

607
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna beat around the bush. I'm not gonna

608
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 4: try to hide. Well this happened this half yep, yep, Uh,

609
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,399
Speaker 4: it wasn't just me. I do have videos of her

610
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 4: starting to hit me first. But I won't lie. I

611
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 4: started it to sometimes, and I regret my actions. My

612
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 4: actions are very childish. I plan to never let that

613
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 4: half again. It will not happen again. I'll do whatever

614
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 4: I need to go therapy, take medicine if I need to.

615
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:02,320
Speaker 4: It won't happen.

616
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 1: Dude, dude, what's your name is? Jacob? Yes, sir Jacob. Oh,

617
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: my god man, Jesus Christ.

618
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 4: Yes, a lot. I've actually been waiting to talk to

619
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 4: you for for quite a while.

620
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 1: I'm so I'm so not the guy that you need

621
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 1: to be talking to right now.

622
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 2: No, no, I know.

623
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 4: I just it's talking to people helps me get it,

624
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:32,839
Speaker 4: helps me calm down, helps me get it off my chest.

625
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 4: I don't expect any actual therapy advice for me, just

626
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 4: you know, life advice. Ione to talk to.

627
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 1: M oh Jesus Christ Man. Well listen, man, I listen.

628
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 1: I uh look good good luck, good luck with good

629
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:09,240
Speaker 1: luck with the case. I hope you. I hope everyone

630
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: in this situation. I hope these fucking kids have a

631
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: good life. I hope everything works out with everyone, you know.

632
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 1: So that's that's about it, man, Is there anything? Is

633
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: there anything else you want to say to the people

634
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:30,919
Speaker 1: of the computer before we go?

635
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,399
Speaker 4: Uh No, sir, h that's I'm just glad I got

636
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 4: to talk to you. It's unfortunately I wasn't able to

637
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 4: tell my full story that I understand.

638
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 1: What's what's left of the story.

639
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:48,919
Speaker 4: Well, she we were talking for about a month since

640
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 4: everything happened to twenty second, and you know, she was

641
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 4: giving me a second chance, this and that, and then

642
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 4: just one day, one day, she just one hundred and

643
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:02,280
Speaker 4: eighties and says she's choosing him. And the whole time

644
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 4: she's making up excuses and saying because she would tell

645
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 4: me not to listen to my family's advice or any

646
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,879
Speaker 4: of my friend's advice, but she told me that she's

647
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 4: listening to everybody and saying, yes, she shouldn't give me

648
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 4: a second chance, and all that, I mean, I understand,

649
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 4: But the fact that she gave me hope and we

650
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 4: were planning things and this and that, that's what really

651
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 4: irks me. And so she well completely cut me out

652
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 4: and all that, and yeah, she's with.

653
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: Him now, Okay, Well listen, Jacob, you should go talk

654
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: to a real therapist and I will. You know. I

655
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,359
Speaker 1: hope everyone figures this stuff out. I hope your kids

656
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 1: are okay.

657
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 3: I hope.

658
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 1: Is there anything else you want to say to the

659
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: people of the computer before we go? No, thank you,

660
00:42:55,480 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 1: all right, Well, take care of Jacob. Good with uh,

661
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 1: with existence?

662
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 4: I struggle every day?

663
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 1: Okay, by Jacob, bye bye. Oh my god, that was

664
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: so much. Well that was a lot. I'm not he.

665
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 1: That was I? He that was he was he? He

666
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:27,879
Speaker 1: was kind of talking like I was the judge on

667
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,879
Speaker 1: this case. Thank god. I'm not a judge. Thank god.

668
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: I'm not a real therapist or a judge or a lawyer.

669
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 1: I've been playing the Phoenix right Ace Attorney games where

670
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:46,720
Speaker 1: I can pretend to be a lawyer, and that's fun.

671
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 1: It's fun to pretend to be things. I'm sorry. That's all.

672
00:43:51,800 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 1: That's all I have to say after that. All right, Hello,

673
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: hey man, you texted me and you said my name

674
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: is Brian. I'm forty one. I think I played arc

675
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 1: Raiders with you about two months ago, and we randomly

676
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 1: got matched into a group together, and I wanted to

677
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 1: know if it was actually you. That's what you texted me.

678
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, that's right. Is this actually ghek or I

679
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 2: don't know if this is a screener.

680
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, no, no, this is me, and I just

681
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 1: want to let you know. I don't I don't play

682
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 1: that game, so it wasn't me.

683
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah, no, it might have been an imposter,

684
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 2: because it was totally someone that sounded like you.

685
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 1: Wait, really they do they have like a username like

686
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 1: it like pretended to be me.

687
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 2: Not necessarily, and even then I thought it was you

688
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 2: the whole time, and I even asked him, like I

689
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 2: brought it up and the guy kind of went afk

690
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,839
Speaker 2: afterwards and he comes back and he's like, oh, sorry,

691
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 2: my roommate was bothering me, and I thought that it

692
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 2: was like all a ruse and it felt like I

693
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 2: got streamsniped. So I ran through it in my mind

694
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, maybe he was streaming to

695
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 2: his discord or something like that and you were playing

696
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 2: the game anyway sort of thing. So I was just

697
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 2: I was really taken aback by it. But the guy

698
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 2: sounded exactly like you, And I was like, have you

699
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,359
Speaker 2: ever heard of Therapy Get Go? And his answer was

700
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 2: I may know that name, and I'm just like it's

701
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 2: got to be him.

702
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 1: Wait, I don't, I've never even I don't even know

703
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 1: what arc Raiders is. What is that?

704
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:30,479
Speaker 2: Oh? Really? Yeah? No, it's like a it's a third

705
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 2: person like a shooter game, like a looter shooter, extraction

706
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 2: shooter kind of game, kind of like an Escape from

707
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 2: tarca kind of thing.

708
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 1: Okay, cool, cool cool? Hm, wait can I ask you

709
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: another question?

710
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 3: Sure?

711
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're forty.

712
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 2: One, I am.

713
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 1: Yeah.

714
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 2: And I also went to one of your shows when

715
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 2: he came by, so.

716
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 1: Oh really where Gecko Tour?

717
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 2: It was the Austin show. I actually I if you

718
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 2: remember the in Austin, Texas where the guy he wanted

719
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 2: to like light something on fire, dude old employer. Yeah,

720
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 2: I was sitting right next to that guy.

721
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and his mom came on. That was too.

722
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was something weird like that. But uh and

723
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 2: then we were all like, oh he's and he had

724
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 2: to call that uh the one lawyer we tried to

725
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 2: calling the lawyer on the show if you could get

726
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 2: an interview, Yeah, good time.

727
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 1: Dude, this dude, fuck dude, this whole episode, this whole

728
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: episode of the podcast, and this whole thing. I'm like,

729
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 1: what the fuck am I doing with my life anymore?

730
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: Like with his whole just the whole the universe of

731
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 1: you know what's funny? I really like I say this

732
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 1: on the show. I say this to people. A lot

733
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 1: of people are like, oh, do you think people are

734
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 1: making stuff? Up to get on the show or you

735
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: know whatever. I really don't. I really, I genuinely I

736
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 1: have spoken to eight million people I've been but I

737
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 1: genuinely believe that everything is as crazy and stupid as

738
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 1: it presents itself to be. I don't think anyone's I

739
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: like I'm the I'm actually I'm truly the opposite of

740
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 1: a conspiracy theorist. I really feel like everyone and everything

741
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 1: is exactly I believe everything a complete face value.

742
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I could see that. I mean, you, at a

743
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 2: certain point, you just got to kind of learn to

744
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 2: roll with the punches and stuff. I mean I never

745
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 2: even really had the courage to, you know, sign up

746
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 2: and you know, talk on the at the live show

747
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 2: or anything like that, even though I saw you. I

748
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 2: think too when I went to TwitchCon twenty twenty two

749
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 2: and You're at like the front of twitch Con and

750
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 2: I'm like, man, I should say something now, and I

751
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 2: never did kind of thing. And it's like I've had

752
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:49,840
Speaker 2: multiple opportunities, and even just now, I mean I text you,

753
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 2: I'm like, there's no way he calls me back kind

754
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 2: of thing, and hey, here I am, and suddenly I'm

755
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 2: and it's actually you. It's kind of a surreal moment,

756
00:47:58,680 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 2: So I appreciate that.

757
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: So you're forty one, right, Can I ask you some questions?

758
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 2: Yeah? Sure, certainly.

759
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 1: How does life play out? Does everything end up okay

760
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:09,760
Speaker 1: in the end? What happens?

761
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 2: Well, first off, I'm not really retired or anything like that,

762
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 2: but you know, after thirty, I would say, your knees

763
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 2: don't really work kind of the same way. And after

764
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 2: you fit for a really long time, it's like, you know,

765
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 2: it takes a longer time for you to get recovered

766
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 2: from the process of everything. You know, I still play

767
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 2: Dance Dance Revolution all the time. I've been playing that

768
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 2: game now for like twenty six years, and on days

769
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:39,319
Speaker 2: where I play a lot of songs back to back

770
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 2: to back, I mean, you know, it takes me like

771
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,320
Speaker 2: two or three days to recover now, as opposed to

772
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:45,479
Speaker 2: when I was younger, I could just you know, stay

773
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 2: there all night on twenty dollars kind of thing.

774
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 1: Mm hmmmmm. What else am I going to say? Oh?

775
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 1: Do you what? So what's your life like? Tell me

776
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 1: about you, Brian.

777
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:03,360
Speaker 2: So, I'm actually an un employed game developer and I've

778
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 2: worked in the industry now for like ten twelve fifteen

779
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 2: years something like that. I don't even really keep track,

780
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 2: but finding work is really really tough, and so, believe

781
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:14,879
Speaker 2: it or not, I'm actually at the point where I'm

782
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 2: thinking of this is so random. I've only really kind

783
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 2: of had this stuff for like the last couple of

784
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 2: last couple of days. I'm getting the point where I'm

785
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 2: considering starting to stream myself, but I kind of want

786
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:30,240
Speaker 2: to take like more of the burnt peanut route, where

787
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 2: it's you know, if i show up and I'm forty

788
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:34,839
Speaker 2: one and I'm like the new kid on the block,

789
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 2: no one's going to watch my shit. I'm not that interesting.

790
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 2: But in general, if you know, I'm going to get

791
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 2: out there and try to be someone, I feel like

792
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 2: hiding behind a little bit of animidity is at least

793
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 2: valid for something, right, Like, if you just do a

794
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 2: rip off of something that's already pre existing, it's out there,

795
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:53,840
Speaker 2: everybody's gonna be like, oh, they're going to call me

796
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 2: out on it sort of thing. So I got to

797
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 2: kind of put my own spin on it and just

798
00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 2: find the bravery to get out there and do it.

799
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 2: Sort of. But that's that's kind of my line I

800
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 2: thought lately, And I mean so being unemployed definitely fucking sucks. Man. Like,

801
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 2: I went back to school back in like, you know,

802
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 2: I'm forty one, that's already out of the bag. So

803
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 2: I lived through the the I guess you'd call it

804
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 2: like the new Great Depression of like two thousand and

805
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 2: seven and like the big economic downturn of all that.

806
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 2: When I was fresh out of high school, I decided

807
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:29,800
Speaker 2: to just join the workforce. And after realizing that I

808
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:31,760
Speaker 2: didn't want to spend my whole life work in retail

809
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 2: and sales, I was like, fuck it, I'm just going

810
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 2: to go back to school for something I was already

811
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 2: kind of good at. And at the time, I was

812
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 2: making maps and counterstrike for all my friends to come

813
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:44,280
Speaker 2: play on a server, and everybody was kind of playing

814
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 2: my COUNTERSHEK map. So I was like, man, I should

815
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 2: go to school for this. So I went to one

816
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 2: of those game art kind of programs, not like a

817
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 2: diploma mill, but a legit school, got my degree, set

818
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 2: my sights on working at like a target company, like

819
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 2: you know, as everybody kind of doeses like oh I

820
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 2: want to work for bun Joe, to work for Blizzard

821
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 2: or wherever you want to work or whatever, and I

822
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 2: ended up getting that kind of a job and it

823
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:08,879
Speaker 2: just it took me back as soon as I made it,

824
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 2: you know, and I was like, oh, man, I'm finally

825
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 2: working at this place I really wanted to be at

826
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 2: my whole life. And then I get laid off like

827
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 2: a year and a half into the job, and so

828
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:20,360
Speaker 2: that's as good as it gets.

829
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 1: So when when were you last employed?

830
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 2: So I was last employed. I think it was like,

831
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 2: I want to say, four or five months ago. I

832
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 2: was working a contract on some like crypto NFT MMO

833
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 2: that I'm not exactly like most proud of that I

834
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 2: worked on because I don't really associate with that kind

835
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 2: of stuff, But hey.

836
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,919
Speaker 1: You know, what's the fucking deal with that? Is that stuck?

837
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: Because I thought like yeah, because back in like twenty

838
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 1: twenty one, there was a lot of like NFT Crypto

839
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: bullshit and a lot of like video game people were like,

840
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:58,320
Speaker 1: Oh this is these are gonna be the new whatever.

841
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 1: We're going to use web three technology to make a

842
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 1: fucking house in World of Warcraft work worth real money.

843
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 1: Like are people still doing that?

844
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 2: Yeah? And you know I saw that Zillo ran a

845
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:14,840
Speaker 2: promo recently with World of Warcraft where you can like

846
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 2: look for a home using Zillo, which, if you don't

847
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 2: already know, Zillo is what you would use if you

848
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 2: were trying to buy a home for real. Yeah, but

849
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 2: World of Warcraft now, I guess you can buy a

850
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 2: home in World of Warcraft using Zillo, which is preposterous

851
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 2: and completely random. Like, good luck convincing me of that

852
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:32,839
Speaker 2: back in two thousand and six, that like that would

853
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 2: be the future of stuff, right, But as far as

854
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 2: the NFT stuff goes, I feel like that was a

855
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:41,399
Speaker 2: lot of fluff from you know, the Metaverse and all

856
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:43,760
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff, Like just look at what happened

857
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 2: with Meta and Mark Zuckerberg and all that, where they

858
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 2: were like, oh, yeah, this is gonna be the future

859
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 2: of gaming and everything. But when you think about it,

860
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 2: when you watch the Game Awards, what crypto NFT game

861
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 2: are you most excited for next? Literally you couldn't name

862
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:59,439
Speaker 2: me one of them. No one cares, no one gives

863
00:52:59,480 --> 00:52:59,799
Speaker 2: a shit.

864
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:05,759
Speaker 1: Well that's because you know, like, Okay, you know what

865
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna make an analogy here and tell me,

866
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 1: tell me what you think. So I'm a Nintendo guy mainly,

867
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 1: I mean I play Xbox. I like, uh, you know

868
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:22,799
Speaker 1: PlayStation stuff, but I think you know Nintendo and Nintendo.

869
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:30,320
Speaker 1: The Nintendo philosophy, I feel like, is a good general

870
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: philosophy of how like society should be run where it's

871
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 1: like Nintendo's ship has always been like technology is good

872
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 1: for the propping up of like a good game, you

873
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 1: know like that, like like like all the like you know,

874
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:55,319
Speaker 1: PlayStation Xbox, They're about, look how big my fucking dick is, right,

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Speaker 1: and Nintendo is like, we have a nice sized dick,

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Speaker 1: but we know how to fuck you know. Where it's

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Speaker 1: like the tech the tech industry is like, how can

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Speaker 1: we make the dick as big as humanly possible? Because

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Speaker 1: bigger dick equals better fucking But but Nintendo is like, no,

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Speaker 1: the the the fucking technique is better to work on

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Speaker 1: than the dick itself. And I apply this the philosophy

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Speaker 1: of of of that to like everything like like AI.

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Speaker 1: But I already went on a whole rant, bay, I

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Speaker 1: won't go on another one. But like the tech industry

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Speaker 1: in general, I feel like has this thing where the

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Speaker 1: technology is like, oh, we can make better technology, but

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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it has to prop

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Speaker 1: up especially in the entertainment industry, and that's a prop

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Speaker 1: up good stories and like just shit that's like shit

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Speaker 1: that's like good for humans, like good stories.

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Speaker 2: Fun game game design with game design stuff, right, Like

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Speaker 2: it's about designing a really good closed loop system, something

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Speaker 2: that's like fun and exciting to play. So when you

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Speaker 2: play something like Stardou Valley, that's a good example of that,

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Speaker 2: where it's it's in a nice controlled environment, you generally

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Speaker 2: know how your next day is going to go. The

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Speaker 2: mechanics are relatively easy to learn, and you enjoy the

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Speaker 2: sessioning of it kind of thing. Right. I think that

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Speaker 2: those things are super novel and that's one of those

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Speaker 2: things that Nintendo always seems to get right. But Nintendo

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Speaker 2: has also been in this game for like one hundred

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Speaker 2: plus years. Was one hundred and fifty years back in

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Speaker 2: the day when they were making like trading card games.

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Speaker 2: You know, I would almost say like in ancient times

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Speaker 2: because I wasn't alive back then, and there's like eighteen

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Speaker 2: fifty or something they were founded the Nintendo origins, when

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Speaker 2: you know it's only like trading card decks or something

908
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Speaker 2: like that. But I think where I'm going with this

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Speaker 2: is like they have really honed in on like this

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Speaker 2: is the difference between Western media and something like the

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Speaker 2: Japanese media influence, like Japan and Nintendo. They identify that

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Speaker 2: this is more of like a craft and a discipline,

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Speaker 2: and they approach all their stuff with game design to

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Speaker 2: be like, all right, we know what functionally works, but

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Speaker 2: how can we put our twist on it, simplify it

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Speaker 2: and make it appeal to the masses. And they have

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Speaker 2: time and time again approved that they can, you know,

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Speaker 2: continuously deliver on that sort of promise. I find it

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Speaker 2: to be really inspiring as well.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, well that's why a lot of that, like

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Speaker 1: NFT crypto bullshit didn't yeah catch on because the technology. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: technology is cool when it like serves a purpose of

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Speaker 1: some kind, but the people are using it in ways

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Speaker 1: it doesn't.

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Speaker 2: Like when you hear these phrases like on chain, what

926
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Speaker 2: the fuck does on chain mean? Like, oh, there's a ledger, okay, Well,

927
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Speaker 2: what does that really mean to me at the end

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Speaker 2: of the day, Like oh you own this? Okay? Well,

929
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Speaker 2: if I go play Overwatch and get the new Curaco skin,

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Speaker 2: I earned my skin there, right, And some people are like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you should be able to bring that skin over to

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Speaker 2: Fortnite or whatever, and it's like, but who's actually asking

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Speaker 2: for that? Is there a real market for that night?

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Speaker 2: And I bet you there is, but it's probably like

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Speaker 2: less than five percent of all gamers everywhere give a

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Speaker 2: shit about that.

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Speaker 1: Maybe, Well, the thing I think, like do one thing

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Speaker 1: that like tech bros don't understand is that one thing

939
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Speaker 1: tech bros don't to say is that just because a

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00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 1: thing can logistically be done, it doesn't mean like like

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Speaker 1: like uh okay a thing's integration in society. The barrier

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Speaker 1: is usually less a logistical barrier and more a barrier

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Speaker 1: of cultural and social acceptance. And so it's like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, logistically you could theoretically do all these things

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Speaker 1: with this technology, but culturally and socially, do people actually

946
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Speaker 1: fucking want to.

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Speaker 2: Or are they receptive to it? Like, you know, one

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Speaker 2: of the noble things I've heard is that, you know,

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Speaker 2: games are a medium that could change the world, and

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Speaker 2: you know, we can eliminate bullying if we just hit

951
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Speaker 2: them before it that wouldever even become the idea in

952
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Speaker 2: their mind kind of thing. But I don't really know

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Speaker 2: if I buy into that. I mean that once you

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Speaker 2: start to really really dig into that. That's kind of

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Speaker 2: it goes down that like video games and violence kind

956
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Speaker 2: of thing. You know, I'm not a big proponent. I

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Speaker 2: don't believe that video games cause violence. If anything, they

958
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 2: are more of like a like a safe outlet for

959
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 2: you know, personal expression or whatever it is that you

960
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 2: want to do. Like if you just want to show

961
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 2: up in GTA and steal cars and baying hookers, you know,

962
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 2: sure you can do that, right, But when you think

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00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 2: of like the big picture of all video games that

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Speaker 2: are out there on a long enough timeline, any game

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Speaker 2: idea that you have, if you if you think to yourself, Okay,

966
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Speaker 2: I think I know what a cool game idea is.

967
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Speaker 2: If you wait long enough and just watch the scheme

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Speaker 2: store Paige long enough, you will probably see a game

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Speaker 2: similar to the game idea that you had. Because everyone

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Speaker 2: is trying almost anything to try to make a quick

971
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Speaker 2: buck or make anything work. If you're like, oh, it

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Speaker 2: would be powder Puff Girls, but it's going to be

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Speaker 2: uh in World of Warcraft Okay, yeah, sure that game

974
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Speaker 2: might be out there, who knows, But.

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Speaker 1: Have you played the game Bully?

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Speaker 2: I have not. No, that's like Rockstar is one of

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Speaker 2: their og titles.

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Speaker 1: I think great game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, playing that the other year you were playing on stream?

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Speaker 1: Right, No, I haven't streamed in like, uh six years.

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Speaker 2: Oh. For some reason, I thought i'd seen you playing it.

982
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:54,520
Speaker 2: I could have swear I saw someone playing it recently.

983
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Speaker 1: But yeah, you keep mistaking. You keep you have the state,

984
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 1: keep mistaking other people from me. Maybe you I know,

985
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know. Maybe you just maybe just you

986
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 1: want to see me, you want to connect with me.

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Speaker 1: Here we are, we did it. We connected.

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Speaker 2: It's like a high five through the internet.

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Speaker 1: It's like a high five for the internet. You're I

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Speaker 1: appreciate you because you're the You're the easiest person to

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Speaker 1: talk to of the people I've talked to today.

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Speaker 2: Well, I hope I could uplift the spirits a little bit.

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Speaker 2: And uh, I really appreciate it, Like, you know, you

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01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:27,760
Speaker 2: reaching out to me like this is another one of

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Speaker 2: those winking nods that maybe I should actually probably start

996
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:33,240
Speaker 2: to stream myself and see what I can put together

997
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Speaker 2: and yeah, try it out, you know, so.

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Speaker 1: Please please Brian. Uh, pleasure talking to you. Brian. I

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Speaker 1: appreciate you.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 1: Is there anything else you want to say to the

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Speaker 1: people of the computer before we go.

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Speaker 2: I've waited so long for this moment and I just

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Speaker 2: want to say gg right, like good game gg. That's

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Speaker 2: it man, GG beautiful.

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Speaker 1: Hey, thank you Brian, see you are in the universe.

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Speaker 2: Man, appreciate it. Have a good one.

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Speaker 1: Well. Thank God for Brian. Thank God for Brian for

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Speaker 1: allowing us to end this podcast today on a torrential

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Speaker 1: vibe shift. Brian's a good guy. That was the Therapy

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Speaker 1: Ecko podcast. Folks, thanks for listening. I'm Lyle, I'm a Gecko.

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Speaker 1: I'm on tour. If you live in the Pacific Northwest,

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Speaker 1: I'm coming to all those cities. I'm coming to more

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Speaker 1: cities than just that, by the way, I'm coming to

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Speaker 1: like twenty eight cities, a ton of cities. I would

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Speaker 1: of course, you can go to Patreon dot com slash

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Speaker 1: Lyle forever. Uh there's also uh some bonus episode. There's

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Speaker 1: lots of bonus episodes of calls that are not on

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Speaker 1: the main feed. You can check out too. Those are fun.

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Speaker 1: I don't have anything else to say, but I feel

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Speaker 1: good and I hope you have a beautiful Sunday or

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Speaker 1: Monday or Tuesday or Wednesday or Thursday or Friday or Saturday,

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Speaker 1: whenever you're listening to this. Ghak bless you and UH

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Speaker 1: see you guys around the universe. Goes on the line

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Speaker 1: taking your phone calls every night, never goes. I's teaching you.

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Speaker 1: Cloud on the Memorial line is not an expert.