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Speaker 1: I'll be filling in for Brian Alvarez all week. For
Speaker 1: those of you who only have any knowledge of the
Speaker 1: Empire directly through this show, you need to expand your
Speaker 1: horizons more. Number one. Number two, you may not know
Speaker 1: that Brian Alvarez has never taken a family vacation where
Speaker 1: he was away from work. We make jokes about him
Speaker 1: going to the dentist, We make jokes about him going
Speaker 1: to Cannon Beach and all that sort of stuff. But
Speaker 1: the reality is this guy has not taken a real
Speaker 1: vacation in like fifteen years, certainly not since he started
Speaker 1: having kids. He is either producing a show, he is
Speaker 1: on a show, he is on a phone called something
Speaker 1: is always taking place. But finally he decided to listen
Speaker 1: to Oreo the Orca finally one time in his life,
Speaker 1: not just to pick up trash and to make the
Speaker 1: waterways better, but to to do something for himself and
Speaker 1: his family. So he's out there with Oreo the York
Speaker 1: on the water and he'll be back next week, I believe,
Speaker 1: at least on this show, unless he just decides he
Speaker 1: enjoys us way too much and and doesn't come back
Speaker 1: at all. But until then, I'll be holding down the fort.
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Speaker 1: or your new japan Strong open weight champion, is going
Speaker 1: to be joining me today to talk about a ton
Speaker 1: of things, including some great women's wrestling that we saw
Speaker 1: and even stardom. Yeah, we're gonna talk about that Lash, Legends,
Speaker 1: Sary match, and a whole lot more when we get
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Speaker 1: be the co host all week for all I know.
Speaker 1: Filthy Tom Lawlor, filthy, what's going on? Thanks for the
Speaker 1: great introduction, Mike. I am here recovering after a long
Speaker 1: weekend of having my face shifted in multiple directions at
Speaker 1: ai W Wrestling and also on New Japan Strong, where
Speaker 1: I defeated and retained said championship, the Strong open Weight
Speaker 1: Championship with a victory over Fred Rosser to end the
Speaker 1: year on a high note for both of us, I'd say,
Speaker 1: Mike and bring the win for the Empire. Thank you
Speaker 1: for that. You know, at least there's a winner here
Speaker 1: in the Empire and the first too. And let me
Speaker 1: just want to thank producer Dom who has us on
Speaker 1: like a fifteen second delay because it's the two of us.
Speaker 1: In case we slip at any point during this broadcast,
Speaker 1: we do want to mention him right off the bat
Speaker 1: and apologize if we somehow get cut off the air,
Speaker 1: and fish Talk just miraculously appears at some point during
Speaker 1: the show. But you did have a very long weekend,
Speaker 1: and with Brian not being here, we're gonna probably have
Speaker 1: to take a look at your exploits on Strong, which
Speaker 1: there were. There were ups and downs too, and of
Speaker 1: course SmackDown, which you usually review with Brian on the
Speaker 1: Monday afternoon show, which we can take care of here.
Speaker 1: But AI w over the weekend, there is a tweet
Speaker 1: circulating around of you getting hit very very hard. That
Speaker 1: is correct, that's an accurate assumption. I was in a
Speaker 1: four way match with Levi Everett who ended up being
Speaker 1: the winner of that contest. Actually Levi Everett, Derek Dillinger
Speaker 1: and Isaiah Broner, and uh, I was you know what, Mike,
Speaker 1: I've actually had multiple people in the rest industry reach
Speaker 1: out to me after seeing that tweet asking if I
Speaker 1: was okay. So I'd like to thank the various people
Speaker 1: who did so. But I'm luckily I'm fine. Um, and
Speaker 1: I'm who hits you harder him or Coglin. Broner for sure?
Speaker 1: Was that? Yeah, yeah, not even a question on that
Speaker 1: one the weekends now you, I guess we'll get into
Speaker 1: it because we Brian has brought up on the show
Speaker 1: he thought you were going to take the l to
Speaker 1: Fred Rosser. That obviously didn't happen. You You survived him,
Speaker 1: another successful defense, another notch on your belt as being
Speaker 1: the new Japan Strong open weight champion. But a man
Speaker 1: that you jettisoned away, a man that wanted to go out,
Speaker 1: and I guess so his wild wrestling oats, his sports
Speaker 1: entertainment oates came back into the fold and he looked
Speaker 1: like he would come back and be a family member again,
Speaker 1: a man who understood the the error of his a's
Speaker 1: and looked like he was coming back to his since a,
Speaker 1: which would be you filthy Tom Lawler. But Tyler, rust
Speaker 1: Russ Taylor, Taylor's Ham whatever this man's name is, grew
Speaker 1: his hair out and all of a sudden thinks he's
Speaker 1: somebody interrupted you on the microphone and laid you out.
Speaker 1: What is that about? Yeah, old Rusty Ham, there is
Speaker 1: gonna need to get a technics shot after the shooter
Speaker 1: Filthy Tom Waller gets ahold of him. He's not gonna
Speaker 1: step back into the fold from n x T from
Speaker 1: wherever he was down in Florida, from the now defunct
Speaker 1: Ring of Honor. He was getting around, you know, he was.
Speaker 1: He was doing pretty well for himself, but not as
Speaker 1: well as I've been doing. So Taylor, Rust you, I mean,
Speaker 1: good job. You earned yourself the V seven title defense
Speaker 1: from Filthy Tom Lawler. But that's as close as you're
Speaker 1: getting to that strong open weight title. Are you gonna
Speaker 1: choke him out? Just on principle of this? Are you
Speaker 1: gonna beat him, like, you know, within an inch of
Speaker 1: his life, But just right before you can knock him
Speaker 1: out for good, you know, just a twelve to six elbow,
Speaker 1: you decide to instead jerk him back and wrap your
Speaker 1: arms around his throat and just choke the life out
Speaker 1: of this man, is that because I would that if
Speaker 1: I had the ability to after something like that, I
Speaker 1: would want to You know what, Mike, I often think
Speaker 1: about what I would do to opponents if I had
Speaker 1: the opportunity to do more than just simply defeat them. Uh.
Speaker 1: And after you're attacked by somebody who you consider a friend,
Speaker 1: who you consider one of your own compadres, like I
Speaker 1: did Taylor Rust, I've got something very very special in
Speaker 1: store for him. I'm gonna sit him down. I might,
Speaker 1: you know, take his breath away, take away a little
Speaker 1: bit of his consciousness with a choke. But once I
Speaker 1: see that he's about to go out, I'm gonna lift
Speaker 1: his head up and I'm gonna go. You know what, Taylor,
Speaker 1: I've got something more painful for you to do that
Speaker 1: even I can lay on you. And I'm gonna force
Speaker 1: him to watch last legend versus say from two oh
Speaker 1: five live, if if if we could find the entire
Speaker 1: thing somewhere online? Yes, so as the best transition possible,
Speaker 1: because I was gonna I was gonna ask you the
Speaker 1: first time you saw Taylor did was he dropping elbows
Speaker 1: like lash legend? Is that what he had picked up
Speaker 1: down there? And decided to bring home to uh like
Speaker 1: show off. I can imagine like shiba a son, this
Speaker 1: is this is what I've learned and he starts dropping
Speaker 1: that elbow. Well, you know what, I'd like to think
Speaker 1: that he was doing much of her training, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: over the past few months. But um, for those of
Speaker 1: you that don't know what we're referring to, there was
Speaker 1: a match at two oh five Live between say uh
Speaker 1: and lash Legend, who, bless her heart, I would say,
Speaker 1: is not ready for television at this point based on
Speaker 1: her in ring abilities and in ring action and m
Speaker 1: This was one of there's been a lot of very
Speaker 1: what would be maligned women's matches over the years. We
Speaker 1: had ow my can you say it on the air?
Speaker 1: My vagina from one of the females um and this
Speaker 1: is another one that's gonna go down in the in
Speaker 1: the book says yes, yes. A legendary match from last
Speaker 1: legend in Srey was Rebel in And what do we
Speaker 1: get who was that? Was it? Charmel and Rebel and
Speaker 1: t I forget that. Look, there were some bad women's
Speaker 1: matches and impact and this this was amazing and I
Speaker 1: know this. There were people online that because of certain
Speaker 1: people on the internet who said things about this match.
Speaker 1: People wanted to run and defend it for some godforsaken reason.
Speaker 1: And look, I understand that maybe some of the people
Speaker 1: that talked about this match that reputation precede them, so
Speaker 1: that's maybe why you didn't want to give it any weight.
Speaker 1: But here's a fact I and I know, I was
Speaker 1: not the only one at this website that was alerted
Speaker 1: way before this match aired that you are going to
Speaker 1: be seeing the most edited match in the history of
Speaker 1: w w E. And you know, we saw that and
Speaker 1: I was it a joke? Was it really true? I
Speaker 1: don't know because I've never actually seen the entire match,
Speaker 1: because I saw the clip of it go up everywhere.
Speaker 1: W w E tweeted clips of this match. I don't
Speaker 1: know what they were trying to prove, but they tweeted
Speaker 1: clips of this match, and it says go to peacock
Speaker 1: to watch it. I go to peacock to watch it.
Speaker 1: The last two oh five live that is uploaded to
Speaker 1: peacock is December third edition, So I have to click
Speaker 1: to more like this. I figure, okay, I'll click on
Speaker 1: is their clips of it? And there were clips of it,
Speaker 1: so if you go to more like this if for
Speaker 1: some reason like mine and I assume it's the same
Speaker 1: for everybody, it's not. On Peacock. You can find all
Speaker 1: three minutes in twelve seconds of this clip that they
Speaker 1: tweeted out, and I would have thought at least they
Speaker 1: would have had a bunch of edits and shown the ending,
Speaker 1: but no, they cut it off with a missile drop
Speaker 1: kick from Surrey after two amazing elbow drops from lash Legend,
Speaker 1: a followay slam that was something else in a very
Speaker 1: unique takedown pinning combination, for which lash Legend then got
Speaker 1: up and just walked away from Well, Mike, I was
Speaker 1: lucky enough to actually see the entire match, uh through
Speaker 1: alternative means. I also looked on Peacock and could not
Speaker 1: find you were always about alternative means in your life, well,
Speaker 1: especially when it comes to something as important as this,
Speaker 1: you know, as enticing as this matchup is. Um And
Speaker 1: what I can say is that I'll ask a question, Mike,
Speaker 1: who do you think won the match? Mm hmm. You
Speaker 1: know what I Am actually gonna think about this. It
Speaker 1: is hard over the break because I know we're getting
Speaker 1: close to it, and I will give you without looking
Speaker 1: it up without trying to find it. I will give
Speaker 1: you my honest and or answer when we get back
Speaker 1: from break. I promise you that you could have dropped
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Speaker 1: subscribers over at Wrestling Observer dot com. But since Brian
Speaker 1: is floating along in the ocean alongside Oreo, Filthy is
Speaker 1: here with us today and we're gonna be talking a
Speaker 1: little bit about New Japan Strong, talking a little bit
Speaker 1: about UH SmackDown as well as stardom. But you know,
Speaker 1: the women's wrestling of the weekend that has taken the
Speaker 1: most attention from everybody has been last Legend in Surrey.
Speaker 1: And there was no finish in the match that I
Speaker 1: saw that I mentioned, So I'm going to go out
Speaker 1: on a limb and say that he probably shouldn't do this,
Speaker 1: at least I'm hoping Saray was the one that came
Speaker 1: home with the title, or with with the title, with
Speaker 1: with the match, the title of what he said, the
Speaker 1: title of person that didn't lose the lash Legend. Well, Mike,
Speaker 1: if you could believe it or not, the finish of
Speaker 1: the match was indeed Saray winning with a poll of
Speaker 1: the tights on lawn. Yes, I promise you. Lash Legend
Speaker 1: did an O'Connor roll, she pulled Sirey's tights. Surrey rolled
Speaker 1: through and pulled the tights of lash Legend, pin her
Speaker 1: and then was sent to the floor with a big
Speaker 1: boot by lash Legend, who then told her she will
Speaker 1: have to remember the night where she lashed out. This
Speaker 1: had to be a rib. It had to be a
Speaker 1: rib on the viewers. Well, I mean just from like
Speaker 1: maybe this is like an inside rib. They've put matches
Speaker 1: of lash Legends up on two of five and it
Speaker 1: is or on clip form before and it is obvious
Speaker 1: that she's not ready to be on TV. And this
Speaker 1: is not her fault. She's obviously a great athlete, she's
Speaker 1: got a great personality. They wanted to rush her into
Speaker 1: having a talk show. Okay, fine with all of that
Speaker 1: sort of stuff, but she's still developing who she is
Speaker 1: what she is. And I understand that it's two or
Speaker 1: five live and not a lot of people see it.
Speaker 1: But then when you have w w E their main
Speaker 1: Twitter feed and i'm sure Instagram and everywhere else they
Speaker 1: are tweeting this stuff out, It's like, how does this
Speaker 1: make sorry or lash legend look good? Why is it
Speaker 1: something that we the people needed to see from these folks.
Speaker 1: Why was this necessary to put out there? What part
Speaker 1: of the learning process is show your ask this badly
Speaker 1: when we absolutely you know, don't have to let you
Speaker 1: do that. Like, I don't understand why you would do
Speaker 1: this to somebody when it's unneeded to when you have
Speaker 1: plenty of other people there that you could have a
Speaker 1: pretty cool five minute package you could put together and
Speaker 1: have on the show. Yeah, it's not as if they
Speaker 1: don't have the parts there to have, you know, good matches,
Speaker 1: uh in the woman's division, But you know they I
Speaker 1: guess they have to get experienced somewhere without having any
Speaker 1: sort of touring shows at the time. This is the spot. Now,
Speaker 1: why you would then feature it on your social media
Speaker 1: and television programs? Uh? Knowing? I mean someone has to
Speaker 1: know that this wasn't up to par, you know, with
Speaker 1: the rest of what we saw, and we saw a
Speaker 1: variety if you look over the week, a variety of
Speaker 1: different styles of female wrestling, different presentations when it comes
Speaker 1: to female wrestling. We saw this match on Smacked Down.
Speaker 1: We had what was largely just an angle between two
Speaker 1: you know, very capable athletes in Shana and Naomi Uh
Speaker 1: and they are just playing essentially, you know, second fiddle
Speaker 1: in a long, very long storyline between Sonja and Naomi Uh.
Speaker 1: And then we had the Stardom pay per view, which
Speaker 1: featured you know, some of the best not only I
Speaker 1: would say female workers in the world, but some of
Speaker 1: the best wrestlers you know, regardless of sex or gender
Speaker 1: orientation or whatever on the Stardom roster. Hallelujah, hallelujah to that.
Speaker 1: And we we're going to get to that. But I
Speaker 1: just want to rewind back for a second here, did
Speaker 1: you did you see, sorry, when she was in Japan
Speaker 1: and like matches against like Chichiro Hashimoto and women like that,
Speaker 1: It's just it was a dicey proposition with her coming
Speaker 1: over to the States anyway, you know, being you know,
Speaker 1: in Mako Satamura's vain, But I honestly thought that one
Speaker 1: I thought Mako was gonna come over here, and I
Speaker 1: thought that would make sense as to why she would
Speaker 1: be here as opposed to going to UK and them
Speaker 1: going together to UK. But you know, she comes over
Speaker 1: here and it's like it was obvious in a lot
Speaker 1: of ways. It was a square peg, round hole. It
Speaker 1: felt like that. But it's like, okay, well maybe we
Speaker 1: can get something out of this, you know, because she
Speaker 1: does have you know, a look and she you know,
Speaker 1: there are benefits to I think Suray cosmetically and work
Speaker 1: wise being in w w E. But you know, the
Speaker 1: more the changes have happened, you know, she's kind of
Speaker 1: gotten shuffled around, and I don't know, especially after even
Speaker 1: when you're watching Stardom, you know, we were watching that.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know how long she's going to
Speaker 1: be there. But and you don't have to be a
Speaker 1: pundent on this, but like, what do you think about
Speaker 1: Saray in n XT and in this two point oh
Speaker 1: universe that we have now? Does she even fit there?
Speaker 1: Or would you actually send her to UK at the
Speaker 1: first available opportunity and go okay, Kaylee Ray and Mako
Speaker 1: and some of the women be priestly, you know, some
Speaker 1: of the people that are over there, maybe she's better
Speaker 1: off with I mean, am I making the decisions? Yeah,
Speaker 1: they don't want to put her with people that she's
Speaker 1: gonna have the best matches with, and uh, that's probably
Speaker 1: not in the role that she's in, you know right now.
Speaker 1: I think one of the things about developmental too, is
Speaker 1: that you want to prepare these upcoming wrestlers for what
Speaker 1: they're gonna face on the main roster. And I mean,
Speaker 1: his last legend really gonna face another Surrey on the
Speaker 1: main roster. I mean they where's Osska? You know what
Speaker 1: I mean? It seems as if they've even moved away
Speaker 1: from that style of wrestler on the main roster. There's
Speaker 1: no are there any Japanese females up there now? And
Speaker 1: if you look at what they're doing with with Mandy Rose,
Speaker 1: and you look at what they're doing with uh Toxic Attraction.
Speaker 1: If this is the idea of what they want to do,
Speaker 1: which is obviously downplaying the physical wrestling as opposed to
Speaker 1: some of the GAGA in the look of how you
Speaker 1: do how you do that wrestling, you know, it's it's
Speaker 1: not it doesn't feel very good. You know. It always
Speaker 1: amazed me that John Morrison was not like to me,
Speaker 1: he was a perfect guy to go to the next
Speaker 1: and be a bridge for a lot of those people.
Speaker 1: I think Oscar is the same way. But now she's
Speaker 1: just disappeared completely and it's like, yeah, I mean, if
Speaker 1: that's what they want on the main roster, then yeah,
Speaker 1: there really is no place for say there doesn't feel
Speaker 1: like And one of the things that they actually talked
Speaker 1: about it, Nigel McGinnis talked about it on commentary during
Speaker 1: that match, was that when Saya arrived, she was hot,
Speaker 1: she was on a wind streak, and now she's kind
Speaker 1: of just fallen by the wayside. And you know, you
Speaker 1: would think that in this if I was booking this
Speaker 1: and you're trying to elevate lash Legend, clearly they have
Speaker 1: some sort of future plans for or did you would
Speaker 1: be giving her the win here, not somebody who you're
Speaker 1: portraying on commentary as you know, being on a losing streak.
Speaker 1: And then after the match Legend laser out. Anyways, she goes, hey,
Speaker 1: you know what, you interrupted me, but you're so darn
Speaker 1: cute that that was actually what she said. She said,
Speaker 1: you're so darn cute, but then I'm gonna make you
Speaker 1: pay for lash an hour or whatever she said. So
Speaker 1: I really don't understand what they're doing with here, for
Speaker 1: I don't need. That's so the opposite of the hook
Speaker 1: debut with with Lash Legend. You ever watch showtime at
Speaker 1: the Apollo, Did you ever watch that? You have amateur
Speaker 1: Night and see the amateur Night would happen and somebody
Speaker 1: would come out there. They'd be terrible, and they bring
Speaker 1: out the Sandman, and the sand Man had a big
Speaker 1: hook and he'd come out there and start pulling them away,
Speaker 1: and it's like the anti hook. It's like the Sandman's hook.
Speaker 1: That's what lash legend. That's what she had going on.
Speaker 1: And it's not her fault, as you mentioned your their
Speaker 1: job is disupposed to bring these folks on, you know,
Speaker 1: along and the best way possible. And I don't know
Speaker 1: if featuring her matches right now is the best way possible,
Speaker 1: but women's matches of feature that We're awesome certainly came
Speaker 1: out of uh stardom this past week and the pay
Speaker 1: per view that they had, which was you know, there
Speaker 1: were there was a pros and cons about it. Almost
Speaker 1: the entire thing was a big pro. There was the
Speaker 1: Captain's Fall elimination match, which we'll get into, the Oato
Speaker 1: tie and Queen's Quest was kind of it was you
Speaker 1: could see it coming from a zillion miles away and
Speaker 1: that wasn't very fun. But the battle over the Artist
Speaker 1: of Stardom titles and the ten millions million dollar yen
Speaker 1: battle between the the units was great, I thought. And
Speaker 1: the elimination match ladder match at the end was something else.
Speaker 1: And Tom, this was a ladder match kind of felt
Speaker 1: like from back in the day because that was a
Speaker 1: ladder that was straight out of the hardware store. It
Speaker 1: was not reinforced, it didn't look safe. But those women
Speaker 1: at the end, it came down to uh Micah Jimica
Speaker 1: and that's the point representing Donna del Mondo against the
Speaker 1: Stars unit. It of tam Nicano and uh no, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: well no, that's why I'm sorry. Was my yui Watani
Speaker 1: sorry that we put tam Nakano in there, but my
Speaker 1: ui Watani High School and Kuguma and it was again
Speaker 1: the the matches, where do you want to start with this?
Speaker 1: Because the final was excellent. But do you want to
Speaker 1: build up the entire show or how do you want
Speaker 1: to go through this? Well, I mean, let's start off
Speaker 1: by talking about what this show was. And this is
Speaker 1: something that I wish, you know, W W a W
Speaker 1: virtually every company around the world would do, and that
Speaker 1: is come up with a different sort of concept. They
Speaker 1: This pay per view was built around the Trio's tournament
Speaker 1: between all of the top factions, but there was also
Speaker 1: ten million yen on the line in a briefcase and
Speaker 1: in the finals, if you've reached the finals, you have
Speaker 1: to compete for this ten million yen in an elimination
Speaker 1: ladder match, which sounds about as crazy or it was
Speaker 1: about as crazy as it sounds. So I think it's
Speaker 1: very important to you know, kind of outline that because
Speaker 1: going into this you don't need, you know, great knowledge
Speaker 1: of every single wrestler, You don't need great knowledge of
Speaker 1: all the inner workings between the different factions. You just
Speaker 1: need to know that there's a tournament going on for
Speaker 1: ten million yen and that everybody's going for it absolutely.
Speaker 1: And you know what, well, since we're getting close to
Speaker 1: break here, I will set the stage. Marvelous had a
Speaker 1: Unit involved. There was Stars, Cosmic Angels, Queen's Quest. So
Speaker 1: there we're again. We'll get into the breakdown of who
Speaker 1: was in this tournament as we we we come back
Speaker 1: from break here Wrestling Observer Live. Oh yeah, and we'll
Speaker 1: mention ros well too when we get back. Bye Mike
Speaker 1: s for VV Back with your Wrestling Observer Alive, joined
Speaker 1: by Filthy Tom Lawler. Believe it or not, we're talking
Speaker 1: about Stardom osaka super Wars. That was just on tape
Speaker 1: per view. I guess in a few days it should
Speaker 1: be up on the Stardom streaming service. But they started
Speaker 1: offering their big shows on pay per view, and really
Speaker 1: it's completely worth it because the action is incredibly good.
Speaker 1: We talked about the UH Unit battle that they were doing,
Speaker 1: the tournament that they were doing between Donna del Mondo,
Speaker 1: Marvelous Stars and Cosmic Angels. Marvelous, Takumi, Roija, uh Riten,
Speaker 1: Catacora and Maria came over to work this tournament. They
Speaker 1: lost to Donna del Mondo in the first round. UH
Speaker 1: Stars upset what seemed like a US upset over Cosmic
Speaker 1: Angels in the second semifinal match, which led to the
Speaker 1: finals and there was a stipulation that each unit had
Speaker 1: to name what they were going to do with the
Speaker 1: win and with the money, and all of the groups said,
Speaker 1: what we'd like to have a show that people could
Speaker 1: be involved with. The fans could either come for free
Speaker 1: or we'd have a nice little get together and in
Speaker 1: a fan fest. And except for Donna Delmondo, who said,
Speaker 1: this is about our vacation. We're going on vacation and
Speaker 1: we're going to to take care of ourselves with this. Now,
Speaker 1: there was some drama leading into it as MAKA and
Speaker 1: that's the poy of Donna Delmondo or the unit is
Speaker 1: what are they calling themselves? A poy? Uh. They've been
Speaker 1: kind of beefing back and forth now for a little while,
Speaker 1: and that actually came together in the the main event
Speaker 1: as well too in the finals. But Tom, what did
Speaker 1: you think about number one? The two tag matches themselves
Speaker 1: and then the final of the ladder match, where I
Speaker 1: gotta be honest, there were obviously some you know, spotty
Speaker 1: moments and shaky moments, but I don't I don't know
Speaker 1: how many of those women have ever been involved in
Speaker 1: the ladder match, and so for them to do it,
Speaker 1: I thought you know for the first one, UH put
Speaker 1: on a hell of a show. Yeah, there were some
Speaker 1: absolutely insane moments in that finals match. But UH, going
Speaker 1: back to the first round with Marvelous and Donna Delmondo.
Speaker 1: This is besides Tecumia Roja, who was you know, featured
Speaker 1: in the Five Star Grand Prix. Uh, this is my
Speaker 1: first time seeing the other other Marvelous girls. Marvelous is
Speaker 1: a I guess I would call a struggling promotion UH
Speaker 1: in Japan at the time, and they're over here working
Speaker 1: to try to, uh, you know, gain some notoriety back
Speaker 1: for their home company. And I thought that they all
Speaker 1: looked good. You know, I was my first time seeing them. Uh.
Speaker 1: Maria did a ton of cool flying submissions, and I
Speaker 1: thought they all came off well, even in losing to
Speaker 1: you know, Donna Delmondo, who you had to imagine was
Speaker 1: gonna move on to the finals here being the champions UH,
Speaker 1: and then Stars and Cosmic Angels. As you said, it
Speaker 1: was kind of an upset, UH, with Stars pulling out
Speaker 1: the victory. The way that they worked the entire match,
Speaker 1: it seems as if the team of Cosmic Angels Unagi
Speaker 1: Saka Mina Shurakawa and tam Nakodo, Uh, we're going to
Speaker 1: pull it out. But in the end there was a
Speaker 1: roll up by Hazuki that gave Stars the win, a
Speaker 1: quick roll up, and they moved on to the finals, um,
Speaker 1: which we can talk about now, Mike. You know, so
Speaker 1: felt like Mina Shirakawa was was in for that entire
Speaker 1: match now in the in the the finals too. And
Speaker 1: this is one way they kind of regulated the ladder
Speaker 1: match was that they did have to have tags in
Speaker 1: and out. And even though that there was you know,
Speaker 1: help when he came to basing the ladder and there
Speaker 1: were still spots with people all over the place, like
Speaker 1: they seemed to try to regulate it that way, but
Speaker 1: like with the you know, with the semifinals, it was
Speaker 1: just you know, kind of people going in and out,
Speaker 1: and it was it just kind of seemed like, you know,
Speaker 1: even though she was looking like she was going to
Speaker 1: get the win there for a while, she felt like
Speaker 1: sheer Cowo was never tagged out. People came in and out,
Speaker 1: but she was actually the official participant the entire time
Speaker 1: before she ended up the uh howsak howsak stral cradle
Speaker 1: from House Good that ended up giving him the surprise
Speaker 1: finish and got him the win and into the finals.
Speaker 1: And as you mentioned, I thought the finals again, that
Speaker 1: ladder and some of the spots that were that took
Speaker 1: place were incredible. Uh, Micah the superplex off the ladder,
Speaker 1: which a Nakano and I liked how it was those
Speaker 1: two were the first ones to do a big spot
Speaker 1: because not gon O arguably the most experienced. I'm sorry
Speaker 1: you were Tony one of the best. I keep doing this,
Speaker 1: one of the best women's wrestlers in the world, Micah,
Speaker 1: who was a very strong based and able to pull
Speaker 1: something like that off. Again, ladder set up in the
Speaker 1: corner came off. It was a It looked impressive from
Speaker 1: the camera angle, but was not out of control, but
Speaker 1: looked really really impressive. Now, Mike, Mike, isn't the whole
Speaker 1: story between Tam Nakano and my it was Tanny is
Speaker 1: that she can't get out of her shadow. Isn't that?
Speaker 1: Isn't that it? Am? I Am I missing something here? Well,
Speaker 1: you can't even I'm being on this show. I'm sorry, Okay,
Speaker 1: my apologies, But so it was Tonny. Look, it was
Speaker 1: Tonny then got her revenge with a moon salt off
Speaker 1: the top of that ladder and that, I tell you what,
Speaker 1: they had, uh kicked Micael off and and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, all three women were on top of her
Speaker 1: and beating her down, and it was Tonny climbed up
Speaker 1: to the top of that ladder. The other two we
Speaker 1: were holding it for. But the moon salt and again
Speaker 1: the camera angle off of that was so incredibly impressive looking.
Speaker 1: I thought that was to me, that was the best
Speaker 1: looking move of the match. It isn't maybe the most
Speaker 1: spectacular dangerous. That may have come a little bit later
Speaker 1: on with Kaguma's dive, but I thought that was easily
Speaker 1: the spot of the match. Yeah. I mean, if you're
Speaker 1: gonna check out some gifts, or if you're gonna see
Speaker 1: clips of this or see some spots, it's definitely going
Speaker 1: to be the big Micah superplex, which she paid four
Speaker 1: and was eliminated quickly afterwards. It's gonna be the Mayu
Speaker 1: iutani um moonsault off this very very tall ladder. And
Speaker 1: then we had Nott's a poy dive onto everybody from
Speaker 1: the post and wipe everybody out, which you know you
Speaker 1: kind of expect from her at this point, and to
Speaker 1: be fair. And this is you know, I'm not calling
Speaker 1: out anybody's weight in wrestling for any read, but Natsu
Speaker 1: point also probably weighs eighty four pounds. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: what she's build at, but yeah, she's the smallest. I
Speaker 1: look at their weights when they put them up there,
Speaker 1: and I believe they put Tommy hash and Sheet at
Speaker 1: sixty four kilos, which is like barely over one thirty.
Speaker 1: And she is, you know, one of the big her
Speaker 1: females out there. I mean, she's no jumbo princess um,
Speaker 1: but what is except except for him maka uh. And
Speaker 1: then what I would actually called the most dangerous and
Speaker 1: you ad you know, alluded to it earlier, was the
Speaker 1: spot where Koguma walked up the ladder. They have the
Speaker 1: ladder in the ring. It's super high. Now, granted, everybody
Speaker 1: set up on the outside ready to catch her for
Speaker 1: this dive. But Koguma is not very tall, She's not
Speaker 1: very big, and seeing her, she's built like a bowling ball.
Speaker 1: Her her tiny body leap off of this ladder to
Speaker 1: the floor was death defying for everyone involved. And it
Speaker 1: was awesome. It was it was and she and the
Speaker 1: thing was she hit and and everybody went down, but
Speaker 1: damned if Mayu and and how it's didn't jump back
Speaker 1: into the ring so they could then go back and
Speaker 1: immediately afterwards go diving back out with with dives and
Speaker 1: to pays to not sup point and Mike in Amica,
Speaker 1: and it's like, haven't they suffered enough right there? They
Speaker 1: just just brutal. But then Cocuma ended up getting eliminated
Speaker 1: with a lariat and roll up by Jimeica, And then
Speaker 1: I thought again this closing the story of these two
Speaker 1: feuding with each other. Jimeica and and actually helped Natsu
Speaker 1: Poi up off the ground, off the ropes, carried her
Speaker 1: up the ladder with her and helped be the base
Speaker 1: for Natsu Poi to undo the briefcase and take that
Speaker 1: massive By the way, this was not like a small
Speaker 1: little briefcase. This was like a massive production uh box
Speaker 1: that they had up there with the money involved in it.
Speaker 1: So she ends up getting it down and it looks
Speaker 1: as though Donna Delmondo has their vacation fund. They sure do,
Speaker 1: and I can't wait to see if there's gonna be
Speaker 1: picture books or whatever else they come up with. But
Speaker 1: this is this is a great tournament. We don't have.
Speaker 1: I'm sure we don't have much more time to talk
Speaker 1: about this show, but we should mention, obviously, the big
Speaker 1: turn of Momo watton Abe betraying her teammates after fighting
Speaker 1: alongside them for twenty plus minutes. Betraying her teammates, and
Speaker 1: like you mentioned, you could see it coming a mile away.
Speaker 1: A Zumi fought her heart out in this Captain's Fall
Speaker 1: match to keep Momo watton Abe alive at various points,
Speaker 1: and then Momo just bashed her with a chair at
Speaker 1: the end and became the black Peach of Queen's Quest.
Speaker 1: And you know, to be fair, I mean, if you
Speaker 1: watch Momo, if you I view her as a heel,
Speaker 1: I think she's gonna be much more effective, uh in
Speaker 1: this role. You know, I didn't really buy her as
Speaker 1: a as a baby face much, to be fair, So
Speaker 1: I'm happy with the result, but I guess I can
Speaker 1: say the way that they got there left me perplexed
Speaker 1: a little bit. I'd like to see just the quick turn.
Speaker 1: If you're gonna do so, you know, why fight for
Speaker 1: twenty minutes alongside your friends to make it appear like
Speaker 1: you're not gonna cheat and turn on them when you
Speaker 1: could just do so right off the bat. Yeah, either
Speaker 1: that or you do something where you keep everybody away
Speaker 1: so you build to that one big moment where you
Speaker 1: don't know what that person is going to do and
Speaker 1: then they go ahead and make the decision. And this
Speaker 1: was an elimination match, so you could have done that.
Speaker 1: Between Queen's Quest and the Way to Tai, Konami and
Speaker 1: Hayasheshida eliminated themselves, you know, rather early in the match.
Speaker 1: Uh Saya Kamatani was then eliminated by Kashima with a
Speaker 1: roll up, so uh then a Zumi was tagged in.
Speaker 1: She quickly uh took care of Rwaka and Sashi Kajima.
Speaker 1: So Momo had the pin on Starlight Kid. And that's
Speaker 1: where a lot of this, you know, comes back to
Speaker 1: those two kind of going back and forth at each other.
Speaker 1: And the problem with all this is is Starlight Kid
Speaker 1: is the only mask person in the company right now.
Speaker 1: She's already had to switch factions this year. She was
Speaker 1: already announced for the New Japan show. So it's like,
Speaker 1: as that's going on, you look at Queen's Quest and
Speaker 1: you see Hya Shahida, and you see Kamiatani and it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, where does Momo fit in this? So it
Speaker 1: was really obvious in the direction that they were going,
Speaker 1: and as you mentioned, twenty minutes way too long. But
Speaker 1: they again, the rest of the show was good. If
Speaker 1: this was the whole base around the whole thing, it
Speaker 1: would have felt a little bit more disappointing. They couldn't
Speaker 1: have gotten more creative, but I guess they just kind
Speaker 1: of booked themselves into a wall that way. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: like I said, I mean, the result is the right one.
Speaker 1: You talked about Starlight Kid, Uh, you know, moving over
Speaker 1: and being a heel on the side of Queen's Quest.
Speaker 1: And there's absolutely no reason to turn her back, baby face.
Speaker 1: She has been phenomenal in this role as both high
Speaker 1: speed champion and kind of the de facto leader of
Speaker 1: Queen's Quest at this point with the other with their
Speaker 1: real leader out. But um that yeah, I don't think
Speaker 1: there was even a choice and turning her back and
Speaker 1: now you'll have both her and Momo kind of at
Speaker 1: the top of that faction, uh, waiting for the return
Speaker 1: of their leader. And uh, you know, like I said,
Speaker 1: the right result. I probably would have gone a different
Speaker 1: way to get there, but we have a big pay
Speaker 1: per view coming up. We've got match on Wrestle Kingdom
Speaker 1: on the actual show, this time coming from Stardom, So
Speaker 1: some big things coming out of Japan. Although Joshi side,
Speaker 1: I'm just really happy that looks like we're also gonna
Speaker 1: get more Cosmic Angels and Donna Delmando action because those
Speaker 1: are my two favorite factions, and I'm completely fine with
Speaker 1: everything and anything that takes place there. And with a
Speaker 1: less than a minute or so to go in this broadcast,
Speaker 1: I guess I will mention that Tonight's Raw is going
Speaker 1: to be on the USA Network. They were in Milwaukee
Speaker 1: and this don't blame me for this, folks. This was
Speaker 1: put up on the website yesterday, another week advanced for
Speaker 1: this show. They were doing two for ones in the market,
Speaker 1: including pushing two for ones at Saturday nights Milwaukee's Bucks Game.
Speaker 1: It was apparently w w E Night there with pre
Speaker 1: tape segments including Drew McIntyre, Biggie, Bobby Flashley, and Live Morgan.
Speaker 1: They have announced a bunch of matches for tonight, Bianca
Speaker 1: bell Air and dew Drop, and a rematch Damian Priest
Speaker 1: Dolph Ziggler in a non title match Finn Balor and
Speaker 1: Austin Theory set up last week when Theory didn't impress Vince.
Speaker 1: So now we've got this and then the Mysterios against
Speaker 1: aj Styles and Almost, so we do get to have
Speaker 1: Ray Mysterio Jr. And Almost in the same ring at
Speaker 1: the same time, cutting Edge with Maurice and some other
Speaker 1: stuff as well too. We'll put a bow on this
Speaker 1: thing we get back from break. Filthy Tom and I
Speaker 1: Wrestling Server Alive remembers back on the show Mike Simper
Speaker 1: viv In for Brian Alvers this week here on Wrestling
Speaker 1: Observer Live. Filthy Tom Lawler with me today. We had
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff to get into. We had ai W,
Speaker 1: we had New Japan Strong, we had stardom, we had
Speaker 1: last Legend. But one thing we are going to have
Speaker 1: to get into tomorrow is not Monday Night Raw. Actually
Speaker 1: we're probably gonna have to get into a little bit
Speaker 1: of Monday Night Raw. But there is g c W
Speaker 1: from this past weekend that I'm going to have to
Speaker 1: speak upon, including Matt Cardona and Chelsea Green quitting Game
Speaker 1: Changer Wrestling embarrassed themselves once again in a loss to
Speaker 1: Bussy My God getting getting pile driven and pinned and
Speaker 1: then being buried under a big, sloppy dog pile of bussy.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine such a thing? Filthy? Well, not from
Speaker 1: those two exact participants, but I may have been there
Speaker 1: once or twice in my life. Uh. Cardona and Chelsea
Speaker 1: Green leaving g c W not the only ones out
Speaker 1: of a job. We also failed to mention Paul Hayman
Speaker 1: being fired at the hands of Roman Reigns on SmackDown,
Speaker 1: the most watched wrestling television show uh on the planet actually,
Speaker 1: which we didn't really cover here much of today. But oh,
Speaker 1: maybe that was the wrong statement, because it seems as
Speaker 1: if he's back in the good graces of brock Lessner,
Speaker 1: who came to help him afterwards, laying out both the
Speaker 1: USOS and Roman Reigns. Roman Reigns beating him down with
Speaker 1: a chair, him walking through it, and just like Paul Hayman,
Speaker 1: it looks like we're gonna be out. Mike, thank you
Speaker 1: for being an advocate for me in the same way
Speaker 1: that Paul is for that big giant overalled man brock Lessners.
Speaker 1: Brock Lesner, Roman Reigns. It's the only match anybody wants,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna continue on with it and looks like
Speaker 1: Brock Lesner Paul Hayman back together as the way things
Speaker 1: should be. Who knows, Polpi and I may be back
Speaker 1: together tomorrow. I don't know. He's definitely gonna be here
Speaker 1: again this week, I can promise you that, and sooner
Speaker 1: or later we're gonna find out what the hell happened
Speaker 1: to Gregg the Hammer Valentine who was supposed to be
Speaker 1: here to right Mike Simper VV filthy, Tom Russey Reserver
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