WEBVTT - Vacation/Filthy Tom Lawlor 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:02.880 Hey, this is Brian Alvarez and this is today's edition 0:00:02.880 --> 0:00:06.680 of the Wrestling Observer Daily podcast on the eight Side Network. 0:00:08.520 --> 0:00:13.480 Ready for you, Ready, let's get it all, Let's get 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:16.159 it Indeed, welcome to Wrestling Observer Live. My name is 0:00:16.160 --> 0:00:18.960 Mike semper viv here with you for the next hour 0:00:19.200 --> 0:00:23.360 talking professional wrestling and mixed martial arts, something we do 0:00:23.440 --> 0:00:27.160 every single day here on the Sports Byeline Radio network. 0:00:27.200 --> 0:00:29.880 And however you're joining me today, whether it be through 0:00:29.920 --> 0:00:32.760 tune in, I Heart American Forces Radio, over the air 0:00:32.800 --> 0:00:36.440 affiliates like the Mighty Er ten nineties, Sports Byeline dot com, 0:00:36.440 --> 0:00:41.400 sirius x podcast, or streaming on Twitch or YouTube. But 0:00:41.520 --> 0:00:43.520 just want to say thank you for spending some time 0:00:43.560 --> 0:00:47.440 with me today. A needs you. Boss Man's not here. 0:00:48.320 --> 0:00:51.040 I'll be filling in for Brian Alvarez all week. For 0:00:51.120 --> 0:00:53.959 those of you who only have any knowledge of the 0:00:54.000 --> 0:00:58.160 Empire directly through this show, you need to expand your 0:00:58.160 --> 0:01:01.520 horizons more. Number one. Number two, you may not know 0:01:01.640 --> 0:01:05.800 that Brian Alvarez has never taken a family vacation where 0:01:05.840 --> 0:01:08.679 he was away from work. We make jokes about him 0:01:08.720 --> 0:01:10.840 going to the dentist, We make jokes about him going 0:01:10.880 --> 0:01:13.080 to Cannon Beach and all that sort of stuff. But 0:01:13.120 --> 0:01:16.399 the reality is this guy has not taken a real 0:01:16.480 --> 0:01:20.520 vacation in like fifteen years, certainly not since he started 0:01:20.560 --> 0:01:23.800 having kids. He is either producing a show, he is 0:01:23.880 --> 0:01:27.319 on a show, he is on a phone called something 0:01:27.440 --> 0:01:31.520 is always taking place. But finally he decided to listen 0:01:31.560 --> 0:01:35.080 to Oreo the Orca finally one time in his life, 0:01:35.400 --> 0:01:38.480 not just to pick up trash and to make the 0:01:38.480 --> 0:01:41.399 waterways better, but to to do something for himself and 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:44.200 his family. So he's out there with Oreo the York 0:01:44.319 --> 0:01:47.160 on the water and he'll be back next week, I believe, 0:01:47.160 --> 0:01:49.760 at least on this show, unless he just decides he 0:01:49.840 --> 0:01:52.480 enjoys us way too much and and doesn't come back 0:01:52.520 --> 0:01:55.440 at all. But until then, I'll be holding down the fort. 0:01:55.840 --> 0:01:58.680 You never know who might show up, except for today. 0:01:58.720 --> 0:02:01.559 You already know who's gonna show up. My co host 0:02:01.640 --> 0:02:06.000 on on occasional UFC post shows right here on twitch 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:10.360 dot tv Backslash f four w video, Filthy Tom Lowell 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:13.919 or your new japan Strong open weight champion, is going 0:02:13.960 --> 0:02:16.440 to be joining me today to talk about a ton 0:02:16.440 --> 0:02:19.560 of things, including some great women's wrestling that we saw 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:24.840 and even stardom. Yeah, we're gonna talk about that Lash, Legends, 0:02:24.840 --> 0:02:27.440 Sary match, and a whole lot more when we get 0:02:27.440 --> 0:02:45.799 back from break. This is Rescue Server Alive. Welcome back 0:02:45.840 --> 0:02:48.200 to the show. Mike semper Viv here with your wrestling 0:02:48.240 --> 0:02:51.519 Observe Alive. We do this show one hour at a time, 0:02:52.040 --> 0:02:54.200 but if you want us seven you can find us 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:57.200 on Twitter. I am at semper vv This show is 0:02:57.639 --> 0:03:00.480 at w O n F four W the broad casts 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:03.400 at Sports Byline USA and if you love pro wrestling 0:03:03.680 --> 0:03:07.239 at mid Atlantic Pod. You could try to tweet at 0:03:07.280 --> 0:03:10.400 Brian Alvarez, but he probably won't be getting back to you. 0:03:10.720 --> 0:03:13.560 You would be better off tweeting at your New Japan 0:03:14.040 --> 0:03:17.120 Strong open Weight Champion. In today's co host, he might 0:03:17.160 --> 0:03:18.720 be the co host all week for all I know. 0:03:19.120 --> 0:03:23.000 Filthy Tom Lawlor, filthy, what's going on? Thanks for the 0:03:23.080 --> 0:03:26.639 great introduction, Mike. I am here recovering after a long 0:03:26.720 --> 0:03:30.960 weekend of having my face shifted in multiple directions at 0:03:31.000 --> 0:03:35.720 ai W Wrestling and also on New Japan Strong, where 0:03:35.720 --> 0:03:41.880 I defeated and retained said championship, the Strong open Weight 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:46.560 Championship with a victory over Fred Rosser to end the 0:03:46.720 --> 0:03:51.160 year on a high note for both of us, I'd say, 0:03:51.200 --> 0:03:55.360 Mike and bring the win for the Empire. Thank you 0:03:55.440 --> 0:03:57.160 for that. You know, at least there's a winner here 0:03:57.200 --> 0:03:59.520 in the Empire and the first too. And let me 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:02.160 just want to thank producer Dom who has us on 0:04:02.400 --> 0:04:05.400 like a fifteen second delay because it's the two of us. 0:04:05.680 --> 0:04:07.920 In case we slip at any point during this broadcast, 0:04:08.000 --> 0:04:10.120 we do want to mention him right off the bat 0:04:10.120 --> 0:04:12.440 and apologize if we somehow get cut off the air, 0:04:12.440 --> 0:04:16.080 and fish Talk just miraculously appears at some point during 0:04:16.120 --> 0:04:18.720 the show. But you did have a very long weekend, 0:04:18.760 --> 0:04:21.839 and with Brian not being here, we're gonna probably have 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:25.359 to take a look at your exploits on Strong, which 0:04:25.680 --> 0:04:27.600 there were. There were ups and downs too, and of 0:04:27.640 --> 0:04:31.080 course SmackDown, which you usually review with Brian on the 0:04:31.120 --> 0:04:33.680 Monday afternoon show, which we can take care of here. 0:04:33.760 --> 0:04:36.920 But AI w over the weekend, there is a tweet 0:04:37.000 --> 0:04:42.440 circulating around of you getting hit very very hard. That 0:04:42.640 --> 0:04:45.720 is correct, that's an accurate assumption. I was in a 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:49.760 four way match with Levi Everett who ended up being 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:54.080 the winner of that contest. Actually Levi Everett, Derek Dillinger 0:04:54.480 --> 0:04:58.000 and Isaiah Broner, and uh, I was you know what, Mike, 0:04:58.040 --> 0:05:01.600 I've actually had multiple people in the rest industry reach 0:05:01.640 --> 0:05:03.719 out to me after seeing that tweet asking if I 0:05:03.800 --> 0:05:07.880 was okay. So I'd like to thank the various people 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:12.800 who did so. But I'm luckily I'm fine. Um, and 0:05:12.839 --> 0:05:17.760 I'm who hits you harder him or Coglin. Broner for sure? 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:22.080 Was that? Yeah, yeah, not even a question on that 0:05:22.120 --> 0:05:28.640 one the weekends now you, I guess we'll get into 0:05:28.680 --> 0:05:31.600 it because we Brian has brought up on the show 0:05:31.680 --> 0:05:33.560 he thought you were going to take the l to 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:37.560 Fred Rosser. That obviously didn't happen. You You survived him, 0:05:37.600 --> 0:05:41.120 another successful defense, another notch on your belt as being 0:05:41.120 --> 0:05:44.360 the new Japan Strong open weight champion. But a man 0:05:44.440 --> 0:05:46.839 that you jettisoned away, a man that wanted to go out, 0:05:46.880 --> 0:05:50.280 and I guess so his wild wrestling oats, his sports 0:05:50.400 --> 0:05:53.560 entertainment oates came back into the fold and he looked 0:05:53.600 --> 0:05:57.159 like he would come back and be a family member again, 0:05:57.160 --> 0:06:00.240 a man who understood the the error of his a's 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:02.400 and looked like he was coming back to his since a, 0:06:02.720 --> 0:06:06.760 which would be you filthy Tom Lawler. But Tyler, rust 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:10.880 Russ Taylor, Taylor's Ham whatever this man's name is, grew 0:06:10.920 --> 0:06:12.880 his hair out and all of a sudden thinks he's 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:16.000 somebody interrupted you on the microphone and laid you out. 0:06:16.080 --> 0:06:20.080 What is that about? Yeah, old Rusty Ham, there is 0:06:20.120 --> 0:06:23.960 gonna need to get a technics shot after the shooter 0:06:24.640 --> 0:06:26.680 Filthy Tom Waller gets ahold of him. He's not gonna 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:31.080 step back into the fold from n x T from 0:06:31.120 --> 0:06:34.279 wherever he was down in Florida, from the now defunct 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:37.680 Ring of Honor. He was getting around, you know, he was. 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:40.960 He was doing pretty well for himself, but not as 0:06:40.960 --> 0:06:46.960 well as I've been doing. So Taylor, Rust you, I mean, 0:06:47.880 --> 0:06:51.279 good job. You earned yourself the V seven title defense 0:06:51.600 --> 0:06:54.039 from Filthy Tom Lawler. But that's as close as you're 0:06:54.040 --> 0:06:57.200 getting to that strong open weight title. Are you gonna 0:06:57.279 --> 0:06:59.760 choke him out? Just on principle of this? Are you 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:02.000 gonna beat him, like, you know, within an inch of 0:07:02.040 --> 0:07:04.560 his life, But just right before you can knock him 0:07:04.560 --> 0:07:07.040 out for good, you know, just a twelve to six elbow, 0:07:07.080 --> 0:07:10.280 you decide to instead jerk him back and wrap your 0:07:10.360 --> 0:07:12.480 arms around his throat and just choke the life out 0:07:12.480 --> 0:07:15.400 of this man, is that because I would that if 0:07:15.400 --> 0:07:17.520 I had the ability to after something like that, I 0:07:17.520 --> 0:07:20.040 would want to You know what, Mike, I often think 0:07:20.040 --> 0:07:22.800 about what I would do to opponents if I had 0:07:23.120 --> 0:07:26.760 the opportunity to do more than just simply defeat them. Uh. 0:07:26.840 --> 0:07:29.920 And after you're attacked by somebody who you consider a friend, 0:07:30.440 --> 0:07:33.800 who you consider one of your own compadres, like I 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:38.160 did Taylor Rust, I've got something very very special in 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:41.280 store for him. I'm gonna sit him down. I might, 0:07:41.720 --> 0:07:45.080 you know, take his breath away, take away a little 0:07:45.080 --> 0:07:47.640 bit of his consciousness with a choke. But once I 0:07:47.680 --> 0:07:49.600 see that he's about to go out, I'm gonna lift 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:52.480 his head up and I'm gonna go. You know what, Taylor, 0:07:52.760 --> 0:07:56.000 I've got something more painful for you to do that 0:07:56.120 --> 0:07:59.720 even I can lay on you. And I'm gonna force 0:07:59.800 --> 0:08:04.840 him to watch last legend versus say from two oh 0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:08.920 five live, if if if we could find the entire 0:08:09.000 --> 0:08:16.200 thing somewhere online? Yes, so as the best transition possible, 0:08:16.280 --> 0:08:18.520 because I was gonna I was gonna ask you the 0:08:18.600 --> 0:08:23.120 first time you saw Taylor did was he dropping elbows 0:08:23.160 --> 0:08:25.120 like lash legend? Is that what he had picked up 0:08:25.160 --> 0:08:27.840 down there? And decided to bring home to uh like 0:08:27.960 --> 0:08:31.280 show off. I can imagine like shiba a son, this 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:33.360 is this is what I've learned and he starts dropping 0:08:33.360 --> 0:08:37.120 that elbow. Well, you know what, I'd like to think 0:08:37.160 --> 0:08:40.600 that he was doing much of her training, uh, you know, 0:08:40.880 --> 0:08:43.680 over the past few months. But um, for those of 0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:45.400 you that don't know what we're referring to, there was 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:49.680 a match at two oh five Live between say uh 0:08:49.720 --> 0:08:54.120 and lash Legend, who, bless her heart, I would say, 0:08:54.240 --> 0:08:58.240 is not ready for television at this point based on 0:08:58.280 --> 0:09:02.040 her in ring abilities and in ring action and m 0:09:02.240 --> 0:09:07.600 This was one of there's been a lot of very 0:09:07.640 --> 0:09:11.640 what would be maligned women's matches over the years. We 0:09:11.720 --> 0:09:17.120 had ow my can you say it on the air? 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:24.319 My vagina from one of the females um and this 0:09:24.360 --> 0:09:26.080 is another one that's gonna go down in the in 0:09:26.120 --> 0:09:30.880 the book says yes, yes. A legendary match from last 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:34.640 legend in Srey was Rebel in And what do we 0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:37.319 get who was that? Was it? Charmel and Rebel and 0:09:37.440 --> 0:09:39.920 t I forget that. Look, there were some bad women's 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:43.840 matches and impact and this this was amazing and I 0:09:43.960 --> 0:09:48.920 know this. There were people online that because of certain 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:51.600 people on the internet who said things about this match. 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:55.440 People wanted to run and defend it for some godforsaken reason. 0:09:55.480 --> 0:09:57.960 And look, I understand that maybe some of the people 0:09:58.000 --> 0:10:00.920 that talked about this match that reputation precede them, so 0:10:01.000 --> 0:10:03.720 that's maybe why you didn't want to give it any weight. 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:07.200 But here's a fact I and I know, I was 0:10:07.280 --> 0:10:09.760 not the only one at this website that was alerted 0:10:10.040 --> 0:10:13.000 way before this match aired that you are going to 0:10:13.040 --> 0:10:15.160 be seeing the most edited match in the history of 0:10:15.280 --> 0:10:18.520 w w E. And you know, we saw that and 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:21.760 I was it a joke? Was it really true? I 0:10:21.800 --> 0:10:25.360 don't know because I've never actually seen the entire match, 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:29.040 because I saw the clip of it go up everywhere. 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:32.600 W w E tweeted clips of this match. I don't 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:34.640 know what they were trying to prove, but they tweeted 0:10:34.640 --> 0:10:37.520 clips of this match, and it says go to peacock 0:10:37.559 --> 0:10:39.760 to watch it. I go to peacock to watch it. 0:10:40.160 --> 0:10:43.120 The last two oh five live that is uploaded to 0:10:43.160 --> 0:10:47.920 peacock is December third edition, So I have to click 0:10:48.000 --> 0:10:50.200 to more like this. I figure, okay, I'll click on 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:52.520 is their clips of it? And there were clips of it, 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:54.880 so if you go to more like this if for 0:10:54.920 --> 0:10:57.400 some reason like mine and I assume it's the same 0:10:57.400 --> 0:11:01.160 for everybody, it's not. On Peacock. You can find all 0:11:01.280 --> 0:11:03.840 three minutes in twelve seconds of this clip that they 0:11:03.880 --> 0:11:07.080 tweeted out, and I would have thought at least they 0:11:07.080 --> 0:11:09.679 would have had a bunch of edits and shown the ending, 0:11:09.720 --> 0:11:12.120 but no, they cut it off with a missile drop 0:11:12.240 --> 0:11:17.240 kick from Surrey after two amazing elbow drops from lash Legend, 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:21.120 a followay slam that was something else in a very 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:24.600 unique takedown pinning combination, for which lash Legend then got 0:11:24.679 --> 0:11:28.040 up and just walked away from Well, Mike, I was 0:11:28.120 --> 0:11:32.320 lucky enough to actually see the entire match, uh through 0:11:32.360 --> 0:11:35.880 alternative means. I also looked on Peacock and could not 0:11:35.960 --> 0:11:40.640 find you were always about alternative means in your life, well, 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:44.480 especially when it comes to something as important as this, 0:11:44.800 --> 0:11:49.560 you know, as enticing as this matchup is. Um And 0:11:49.600 --> 0:11:53.079 what I can say is that I'll ask a question, Mike, 0:11:53.120 --> 0:11:57.040 who do you think won the match? Mm hmm. You 0:11:57.120 --> 0:12:00.040 know what I Am actually gonna think about this. It 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:02.720 is hard over the break because I know we're getting 0:12:02.760 --> 0:12:05.640 close to it, and I will give you without looking 0:12:05.679 --> 0:12:07.920 it up without trying to find it. I will give 0:12:07.920 --> 0:12:09.760 you my honest and or answer when we get back 0:12:09.760 --> 0:12:13.680 from break. I promise you that you could have dropped 0:12:13.679 --> 0:12:22.400 in something at the Wrestling Observe Alive back on the show, 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:24.840 Mike Simper vb here whether you're filling in for Brian 0:12:24.840 --> 0:12:27.320 Albarez this week and the Big Boy host and share, 0:12:27.840 --> 0:12:30.839 and I'm joined by Filthy, Tom Lawler, New Japan Strong 0:12:30.840 --> 0:12:33.920 open Weight Champion, and your friend here at four w 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:38.120 online dot com. Filthy four dailies usually every Monday for 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:41.800 subscribers over at Wrestling Observer dot com. But since Brian 0:12:41.960 --> 0:12:45.679 is floating along in the ocean alongside Oreo, Filthy is 0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:47.439 here with us today and we're gonna be talking a 0:12:47.480 --> 0:12:50.000 little bit about New Japan Strong, talking a little bit 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:54.520 about UH SmackDown as well as stardom. But you know, 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:57.280 the women's wrestling of the weekend that has taken the 0:12:57.320 --> 0:13:01.520 most attention from everybody has been last Legend in Surrey. 0:13:01.840 --> 0:13:04.440 And there was no finish in the match that I 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:07.160 saw that I mentioned, So I'm going to go out 0:13:07.200 --> 0:13:11.280 on a limb and say that he probably shouldn't do this, 0:13:11.480 --> 0:13:14.880 at least I'm hoping Saray was the one that came 0:13:14.920 --> 0:13:17.720 home with the title, or with with the title, with 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:21.800 with the match, the title of what he said, the 0:13:21.840 --> 0:13:25.400 title of person that didn't lose the lash Legend. Well, Mike, 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:27.120 if you could believe it or not, the finish of 0:13:27.200 --> 0:13:33.640 the match was indeed Saray winning with a poll of 0:13:33.679 --> 0:13:38.440 the tights on lawn. Yes, I promise you. Lash Legend 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:43.680 did an O'Connor roll, she pulled Sirey's tights. Surrey rolled 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:47.080 through and pulled the tights of lash Legend, pin her 0:13:47.679 --> 0:13:51.040 and then was sent to the floor with a big 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:56.439 boot by lash Legend, who then told her she will 0:13:56.520 --> 0:14:03.920 have to remember the night where she lashed out. This 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:06.480 had to be a rib. It had to be a 0:14:06.600 --> 0:14:10.319 rib on the viewers. Well, I mean just from like 0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:13.640 maybe this is like an inside rib. They've put matches 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:15.640 of lash Legends up on two of five and it 0:14:15.840 --> 0:14:19.000 is or on clip form before and it is obvious 0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:21.680 that she's not ready to be on TV. And this 0:14:21.880 --> 0:14:24.760 is not her fault. She's obviously a great athlete, she's 0:14:24.800 --> 0:14:27.520 got a great personality. They wanted to rush her into 0:14:27.600 --> 0:14:30.480 having a talk show. Okay, fine with all of that 0:14:30.640 --> 0:14:34.080 sort of stuff, but she's still developing who she is 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:37.320 what she is. And I understand that it's two or 0:14:37.360 --> 0:14:38.880 five live and not a lot of people see it. 0:14:39.280 --> 0:14:41.640 But then when you have w w E their main 0:14:41.720 --> 0:14:45.040 Twitter feed and i'm sure Instagram and everywhere else they 0:14:45.080 --> 0:14:47.840 are tweeting this stuff out, It's like, how does this 0:14:48.040 --> 0:14:52.040 make sorry or lash legend look good? Why is it 0:14:52.200 --> 0:14:54.960 something that we the people needed to see from these folks. 0:14:55.400 --> 0:14:58.360 Why was this necessary to put out there? What part 0:14:58.400 --> 0:15:01.720 of the learning process is show your ask this badly 0:15:01.800 --> 0:15:04.320 when we absolutely you know, don't have to let you 0:15:04.400 --> 0:15:07.440 do that. Like, I don't understand why you would do 0:15:07.560 --> 0:15:10.240 this to somebody when it's unneeded to when you have 0:15:10.920 --> 0:15:13.120 plenty of other people there that you could have a 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:15.440 pretty cool five minute package you could put together and 0:15:15.480 --> 0:15:18.280 have on the show. Yeah, it's not as if they 0:15:18.320 --> 0:15:22.240 don't have the parts there to have, you know, good matches, 0:15:22.800 --> 0:15:25.800 uh in the woman's division, But you know they I 0:15:25.880 --> 0:15:28.760 guess they have to get experienced somewhere without having any 0:15:28.960 --> 0:15:32.280 sort of touring shows at the time. This is the spot. Now, 0:15:33.200 --> 0:15:37.440 why you would then feature it on your social media 0:15:37.640 --> 0:15:41.560 and television programs? Uh? Knowing? I mean someone has to 0:15:41.680 --> 0:15:45.120 know that this wasn't up to par, you know, with 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:47.400 the rest of what we saw, and we saw a 0:15:47.520 --> 0:15:50.680 variety if you look over the week, a variety of 0:15:51.120 --> 0:15:56.200 different styles of female wrestling, different presentations when it comes 0:15:56.240 --> 0:16:00.240 to female wrestling. We saw this match on Smacked Down. 0:16:00.800 --> 0:16:04.600 We had what was largely just an angle between two 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:08.680 you know, very capable athletes in Shana and Naomi Uh 0:16:09.000 --> 0:16:13.200 and they are just playing essentially, you know, second fiddle 0:16:13.280 --> 0:16:18.880 in a long, very long storyline between Sonja and Naomi Uh. 0:16:19.080 --> 0:16:22.000 And then we had the Stardom pay per view, which 0:16:22.080 --> 0:16:25.840 featured you know, some of the best not only I 0:16:25.880 --> 0:16:27.800 would say female workers in the world, but some of 0:16:27.800 --> 0:16:32.560 the best wrestlers you know, regardless of sex or gender 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:37.520 orientation or whatever on the Stardom roster. Hallelujah, hallelujah to that. 0:16:37.640 --> 0:16:39.320 And we we're going to get to that. But I 0:16:39.440 --> 0:16:43.840 just want to rewind back for a second here, did 0:16:43.880 --> 0:16:47.040 you did you see, sorry, when she was in Japan 0:16:47.720 --> 0:16:51.320 and like matches against like Chichiro Hashimoto and women like that, 0:16:51.480 --> 0:16:54.680 It's just it was a dicey proposition with her coming 0:16:54.760 --> 0:16:57.040 over to the States anyway, you know, being you know, 0:16:57.120 --> 0:17:00.480 in Mako Satamura's vain, But I honestly thought that one 0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:02.680 I thought Mako was gonna come over here, and I 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:05.320 thought that would make sense as to why she would 0:17:05.359 --> 0:17:07.480 be here as opposed to going to UK and them 0:17:07.520 --> 0:17:10.440 going together to UK. But you know, she comes over 0:17:10.520 --> 0:17:13.720 here and it's like it was obvious in a lot 0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:16.359 of ways. It was a square peg, round hole. It 0:17:16.480 --> 0:17:18.639 felt like that. But it's like, okay, well maybe we 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:20.800 can get something out of this, you know, because she 0:17:20.920 --> 0:17:23.560 does have you know, a look and she you know, 0:17:23.960 --> 0:17:27.280 there are benefits to I think Suray cosmetically and work 0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:30.040 wise being in w w E. But you know, the 0:17:30.240 --> 0:17:32.600 more the changes have happened, you know, she's kind of 0:17:32.680 --> 0:17:36.200 gotten shuffled around, and I don't know, especially after even 0:17:36.240 --> 0:17:38.280 when you're watching Stardom, you know, we were watching that. 0:17:39.720 --> 0:17:41.280 You know, I don't know how long she's going to 0:17:41.359 --> 0:17:43.720 be there. But and you don't have to be a 0:17:43.760 --> 0:17:45.640 pundent on this, but like, what do you think about 0:17:45.680 --> 0:17:48.320 Saray in n XT and in this two point oh 0:17:48.440 --> 0:17:51.240 universe that we have now? Does she even fit there? 0:17:51.480 --> 0:17:54.200 Or would you actually send her to UK at the 0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:57.920 first available opportunity and go okay, Kaylee Ray and Mako 0:17:58.080 --> 0:18:00.920 and some of the women be priestly, you know, some 0:18:01.040 --> 0:18:02.800 of the people that are over there, maybe she's better 0:18:02.880 --> 0:18:06.240 off with I mean, am I making the decisions? Yeah, 0:18:06.280 --> 0:18:08.520 they don't want to put her with people that she's 0:18:08.560 --> 0:18:11.320 gonna have the best matches with, and uh, that's probably 0:18:11.359 --> 0:18:14.719 not in the role that she's in, you know right now. 0:18:14.800 --> 0:18:16.920 I think one of the things about developmental too, is 0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:21.440 that you want to prepare these upcoming wrestlers for what 0:18:21.520 --> 0:18:25.000 they're gonna face on the main roster. And I mean, 0:18:25.080 --> 0:18:27.840 his last legend really gonna face another Surrey on the 0:18:27.920 --> 0:18:30.440 main roster. I mean they where's Osska? You know what 0:18:30.520 --> 0:18:32.560 I mean? It seems as if they've even moved away 0:18:32.640 --> 0:18:37.640 from that style of wrestler on the main roster. There's 0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:44.639 no are there any Japanese females up there now? And 0:18:44.760 --> 0:18:47.520 if you look at what they're doing with with Mandy Rose, 0:18:47.600 --> 0:18:52.240 and you look at what they're doing with uh Toxic Attraction. 0:18:52.400 --> 0:18:55.520 If this is the idea of what they want to do, 0:18:55.840 --> 0:19:01.440 which is obviously downplaying the physical wrestling as opposed to 0:19:02.720 --> 0:19:04.840 some of the GAGA in the look of how you 0:19:04.960 --> 0:19:08.960 do how you do that wrestling, you know, it's it's 0:19:09.040 --> 0:19:11.159 not it doesn't feel very good. You know. It always 0:19:11.160 --> 0:19:13.280 amazed me that John Morrison was not like to me, 0:19:13.640 --> 0:19:15.080 he was a perfect guy to go to the next 0:19:15.280 --> 0:19:16.680 and be a bridge for a lot of those people. 0:19:16.720 --> 0:19:19.240 I think Oscar is the same way. But now she's 0:19:19.320 --> 0:19:22.239 just disappeared completely and it's like, yeah, I mean, if 0:19:22.320 --> 0:19:24.720 that's what they want on the main roster, then yeah, 0:19:24.720 --> 0:19:26.760 there really is no place for say there doesn't feel 0:19:26.800 --> 0:19:29.080 like And one of the things that they actually talked 0:19:29.080 --> 0:19:31.400 about it, Nigel McGinnis talked about it on commentary during 0:19:31.480 --> 0:19:34.200 that match, was that when Saya arrived, she was hot, 0:19:34.320 --> 0:19:36.439 she was on a wind streak, and now she's kind 0:19:36.480 --> 0:19:39.680 of just fallen by the wayside. And you know, you 0:19:39.720 --> 0:19:42.119 would think that in this if I was booking this 0:19:42.280 --> 0:19:45.399 and you're trying to elevate lash Legend, clearly they have 0:19:45.480 --> 0:19:48.240 some sort of future plans for or did you would 0:19:48.240 --> 0:19:50.480 be giving her the win here, not somebody who you're 0:19:50.760 --> 0:19:54.000 portraying on commentary as you know, being on a losing streak. 0:19:54.280 --> 0:19:59.919 And then after the match Legend laser out. Anyways, she goes, hey, 0:20:01.320 --> 0:20:04.760 you know what, you interrupted me, but you're so darn 0:20:04.920 --> 0:20:07.800 cute that that was actually what she said. She said, 0:20:07.840 --> 0:20:10.399 you're so darn cute, but then I'm gonna make you 0:20:10.480 --> 0:20:12.440 pay for lash an hour or whatever she said. So 0:20:12.840 --> 0:20:15.560 I really don't understand what they're doing with here, for 0:20:16.160 --> 0:20:20.080 I don't need. That's so the opposite of the hook 0:20:20.119 --> 0:20:22.560 debut with with Lash Legend. You ever watch showtime at 0:20:22.600 --> 0:20:26.240 the Apollo, Did you ever watch that? You have amateur 0:20:26.359 --> 0:20:29.280 Night and see the amateur Night would happen and somebody 0:20:29.320 --> 0:20:32.040 would come out there. They'd be terrible, and they bring 0:20:32.119 --> 0:20:34.080 out the Sandman, and the sand Man had a big 0:20:34.160 --> 0:20:36.280 hook and he'd come out there and start pulling them away, 0:20:36.359 --> 0:20:39.160 and it's like the anti hook. It's like the Sandman's hook. 0:20:39.240 --> 0:20:41.639 That's what lash legend. That's what she had going on. 0:20:41.840 --> 0:20:44.320 And it's not her fault, as you mentioned your their 0:20:44.400 --> 0:20:46.920 job is disupposed to bring these folks on, you know, 0:20:47.000 --> 0:20:49.800 along and the best way possible. And I don't know 0:20:50.400 --> 0:20:53.080 if featuring her matches right now is the best way possible, 0:20:53.160 --> 0:20:56.920 but women's matches of feature that We're awesome certainly came 0:20:57.000 --> 0:21:00.399 out of uh stardom this past week and the pay 0:21:00.440 --> 0:21:03.960 per view that they had, which was you know, there 0:21:04.000 --> 0:21:08.119 were there was a pros and cons about it. Almost 0:21:08.160 --> 0:21:10.159 the entire thing was a big pro. There was the 0:21:10.240 --> 0:21:13.119 Captain's Fall elimination match, which we'll get into, the Oato 0:21:13.200 --> 0:21:16.359 tie and Queen's Quest was kind of it was you 0:21:16.400 --> 0:21:18.520 could see it coming from a zillion miles away and 0:21:18.600 --> 0:21:22.119 that wasn't very fun. But the battle over the Artist 0:21:22.200 --> 0:21:26.200 of Stardom titles and the ten millions million dollar yen 0:21:27.400 --> 0:21:32.000 battle between the the units was great, I thought. And 0:21:32.640 --> 0:21:35.960 the elimination match ladder match at the end was something else. 0:21:36.080 --> 0:21:39.280 And Tom, this was a ladder match kind of felt 0:21:39.359 --> 0:21:42.000 like from back in the day because that was a 0:21:42.119 --> 0:21:45.639 ladder that was straight out of the hardware store. It 0:21:45.800 --> 0:21:49.520 was not reinforced, it didn't look safe. But those women 0:21:50.320 --> 0:21:54.680 at the end, it came down to uh Micah Jimica 0:21:55.200 --> 0:21:58.680 and that's the point representing Donna del Mondo against the 0:21:59.240 --> 0:22:05.280 Stars unit. It of tam Nicano and uh no, no, no, no, no, no, 0:22:05.760 --> 0:22:07.720 well no, that's why I'm sorry. Was my yui Watani 0:22:08.280 --> 0:22:10.520 sorry that we put tam Nakano in there, but my 0:22:10.720 --> 0:22:16.040 ui Watani High School and Kuguma and it was again 0:22:16.119 --> 0:22:19.440 the the matches, where do you want to start with this? 0:22:19.680 --> 0:22:22.280 Because the final was excellent. But do you want to 0:22:22.320 --> 0:22:24.040 build up the entire show or how do you want 0:22:24.080 --> 0:22:26.080 to go through this? Well, I mean, let's start off 0:22:26.160 --> 0:22:28.280 by talking about what this show was. And this is 0:22:28.320 --> 0:22:31.359 something that I wish, you know, W W a W 0:22:31.600 --> 0:22:35.399 virtually every company around the world would do, and that 0:22:35.640 --> 0:22:38.280 is come up with a different sort of concept. They 0:22:38.560 --> 0:22:42.040 This pay per view was built around the Trio's tournament 0:22:43.200 --> 0:22:46.840 between all of the top factions, but there was also 0:22:47.080 --> 0:22:50.520