WEBVTT - Thinking Sideways: Frosty 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:02.640 Thinking Sideways is not brought to you by making the 0:00:02.640 --> 0:00:04.880 contest of my Cat's litter box into a little almond 0:00:04.920 --> 0:00:07.600 roccas and selling them a Saturday market. Instead, it is 0:00:07.640 --> 0:00:10.920 supported by the generous contributions of people like you, our 0:00:10.920 --> 0:00:15.520 listeners on Patreon. Visit patreon dot com slash Thinking Sideways 0:00:15.560 --> 0:00:41.360 to learn more story. Hey everyone, Happy holidays from Team Sideways. 0:00:41.560 --> 0:00:44.279 That's right, it's Christmas Eve. It's Christmas Eve. It is 0:00:47.479 --> 0:00:51.120 here's open. Everybody gets all the cool presence they're dreaming of, 0:00:51.400 --> 0:00:54.840 you know, whether it's a nuclear weapon or or world 0:00:54.880 --> 0:01:05.440 peace whichever. Yeah, what just come on. If you listened, 0:01:05.959 --> 0:01:07.480 if you've been listening to the show for more than 0:01:07.520 --> 0:01:09.959 a year, I guess at this point you know, Or 0:01:09.959 --> 0:01:12.080 if you've binge listened, I guess it's all of our episodes. 0:01:12.120 --> 0:01:15.560 You know that we like to do uh themed shows 0:01:15.680 --> 0:01:18.760 around pretty much every holiday of the year. You do 0:01:18.840 --> 0:01:23.240 Halloween themes, and we do Christmas themes or winter holiday themes. 0:01:23.280 --> 0:01:28.399 There are actually a lot of Christmas mysteries there are, 0:01:28.600 --> 0:01:32.360 and so this this year we decided to try to 0:01:32.400 --> 0:01:35.600 take on a big one, and that is we're going 0:01:35.640 --> 0:01:40.440 to talk about Frosty A K. A the Snowman. Yea, indeed, Frosty. 0:01:41.319 --> 0:01:44.280 I assume most of our listeners have heard of Frosty, 0:01:44.360 --> 0:01:48.080 but if you haven't, here's the skinny. In fifty, a 0:01:48.120 --> 0:01:53.000 song was released about this supposedly enigmatic creature. Since the original, 0:01:53.040 --> 0:01:56.440 there have been many, many, many recordings of the song 0:01:56.880 --> 0:01:59.920 the original song. Um, lots of movies, yeah, lots of movies, 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:03.680 lots of books, lots of merchandising partnerships with the Frosty franchise, 0:02:03.720 --> 0:02:07.000 and popular items like the holiday version of The Wears 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:11.400 Waldo books. McDonald's did a partnership with Frosty for a while. 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:15.040 Frosty is big, Yeah he is, And officially the franchise 0:02:15.080 --> 0:02:18.839 of Frosty Story is owned jointly by DreamWorks Animation and 0:02:18.960 --> 0:02:21.600 with Warner Brothers TV. But we're not going to really 0:02:21.639 --> 0:02:23.800 talk about that because the thing is that's kind of 0:02:23.840 --> 0:02:27.120 the sanitized version of you know, the Disney version of 0:02:27.200 --> 0:02:30.560 the Fairy Tales. The real character appears to be a 0:02:30.560 --> 0:02:32.920 bit darker. Yeah, we it's it's kind of like the 0:02:33.000 --> 0:02:35.400 short version. It's like, we kind of know, the cliff 0:02:35.440 --> 0:02:37.959 note version of Stories Life. And instead we're going to 0:02:38.040 --> 0:02:40.920 go kind of back to say fairy tales before the 0:02:40.919 --> 0:02:43.520 grand Brothers even got on to what they were, what 0:02:43.560 --> 0:02:45.120 they really were. Yeah, and that's what we're going to 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:47.720 do with Frosty. Um, because you know, we don't we 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:49.800 don't really know who he is. I mean, they say 0:02:49.960 --> 0:02:55.120 that magic made a snowman come to life, but I 0:02:55.160 --> 0:02:58.720 have a hard time believing that. Yeah, we'll talk about that. 0:02:58.760 --> 0:03:00.640 And even if it wasn't my cat, where did the 0:03:00.639 --> 0:03:04.760 magic hat come from? Yeah? Exactly, So, yeah, you do. 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:07.520 You guys just want to jump into theories on how 0:03:07.560 --> 0:03:09.320 he existed, really, because there are a couple of different 0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:12.360 theory sections will do, right, Yeah, they're really kind, there's 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:14.240 a whole Yeah, we've got a ton of theory, so 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:16.800 we should probably start there. Yeah, so why don't we 0:03:16.840 --> 0:03:18.919 just dive right in? To steal a term from Steve, 0:03:20.760 --> 0:03:23.000 I guess I'm up because I have theory number one, 0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:28.360 which is, when you read the story of Frosty, you'll 0:03:28.480 --> 0:03:32.120 you'll notice that the whole story comes from a kind 0:03:32.160 --> 0:03:35.520 of a very small locale and then it spread really 0:03:35.600 --> 0:03:39.480 kind of virally over one or two winters. Well, the 0:03:39.600 --> 0:03:42.800 whole thing about Frosty and all these crazy things he does. 0:03:43.400 --> 0:03:48.880 To me, it's pretty simple, is that he didn't actually exist. Instead, 0:03:48.920 --> 0:03:52.520 he was kind of a group hallucination. What okay, what 0:03:52.520 --> 0:03:56.400 what does everybody do at the holiday season when they 0:03:56.480 --> 0:03:59.760 go to where Christmas parties your family get together? Is 0:03:59.800 --> 0:04:06.200 what a drink? Exactly okay? And Edna knows how to 0:04:06.280 --> 0:04:08.840 make great eggnog because she loves to put a lot 0:04:08.880 --> 0:04:13.360 of booze in it. No, but there are some teetotalers 0:04:13.400 --> 0:04:16.279 who don't believe in putting the booze in, and they 0:04:16.360 --> 0:04:18.720 evidently may have been the ones that we're aging it. 0:04:19.600 --> 0:04:22.600 And so it's kind of a situation that's very similar 0:04:22.640 --> 0:04:28.400 to what's the bread mold is ergo? So same thing. 0:04:29.080 --> 0:04:32.160 All these people go to this giant party and they 0:04:32.279 --> 0:04:37.960 all drink this rancid eggnog and they all hallucinate. There's 0:04:37.960 --> 0:04:40.240 probably one guy who was in a top hat and 0:04:40.240 --> 0:04:42.800 a scarf running around having a high old time while 0:04:42.880 --> 0:04:45.880 he was stoned out of his brain too, and they 0:04:45.880 --> 0:04:49.640 all would he's a snowman, it's so crazy. And then 0:04:49.680 --> 0:04:51.000 he took his hat off and he didn't look the 0:04:51.000 --> 0:04:54.440 same anymore. Story solved. So that is that is where 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:58.760 I think the simple version may have come from. And 0:04:58.800 --> 0:05:01.000 I mean there's a few things where you you see 0:05:01.040 --> 0:05:04.880 some stuff about the effects of this mold. But well, yeah, 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:07.040 we talked to it when we talked about with the dancing. 0:05:07.760 --> 0:05:14.200 Yeah yeah, it's also the Mary Celeste. Yeah yeah, yeah, 0:05:14.400 --> 0:05:17.520 people see some weird stuff, like everybody would have had 0:05:17.560 --> 0:05:19.920 to have had it, right, if it's a big party, 0:05:20.279 --> 0:05:23.159 everybody's having it. But then also, you know, I mean 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:26.080 the whole prosty thing, it didn't just go on for 0:05:26.120 --> 0:05:27.920 the space of a few hours at a party. Is 0:05:28.000 --> 0:05:29.880 like it went on for a long time and Frosty 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:32.560 was hanging out for a while, right, Well, have you 0:05:32.600 --> 0:05:35.360 ever heard of a thing called a flashback? Yeah, these 0:05:35.400 --> 0:05:38.919 people may have been like an acid trip kind of 0:05:38.960 --> 0:05:43.400 having a little flashback, and so they all think, well, yeah, 0:05:43.520 --> 0:05:46.240 I see in human memory is so fallible that it 0:05:46.320 --> 0:05:49.560 may have been that they thought it was days when 0:05:49.560 --> 0:05:53.400 they were really just kind of Yeah. So that's that's 0:05:53.440 --> 0:05:56.880 my I've you know, had nights where it's been like, man, 0:05:56.920 --> 0:05:58.840 it seems like we've been hanging out for like twelve 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:03.200 hours and it's been twenty minutes. Yeah, okay, okay, that's 0:06:03.240 --> 0:06:07.000 a doll party. Yeah. Yeah, So that's my that's my 0:06:07.040 --> 0:06:09.680 first hit. Theory about it. Okay, all right, well I 0:06:09.680 --> 0:06:13.680 have another theory, um, but that's not the magic hat. 0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:16.360 Let's let's consider the magic hat and why it's so wrong. 0:06:16.600 --> 0:06:19.000 First of all, as as Devon has already said, where 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:21.360 did it come from? As an animated device, it's got 0:06:21.360 --> 0:06:25.839 some pretty serious shortcomings. Frosty, Frosty was around for a while. 0:06:26.080 --> 0:06:28.600 And supposing you're Frosty and you're crossing the street and 0:06:28.640 --> 0:06:30.640 a puff of wind knocks the magic hat off your head, 0:06:31.120 --> 0:06:34.200 and now you're back to being an inanimate object in 0:06:34.240 --> 0:06:35.640 the middle of the street, and of course the car 0:06:35.720 --> 0:06:38.320 is going to come along in three seconds. How Murphy's 0:06:38.360 --> 0:06:40.720 alot works. Yeah, so markin, Yeah, he was around for 0:06:40.760 --> 0:06:43.279 a while, and and you would think the hat would 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:45.360 be like getting knocked off his head all the time, 0:06:45.680 --> 0:06:49.880 unless he had like a cylindrical snow dome, you know 0:06:49.920 --> 0:06:51.400 what I'm talking about, Like the top of his head 0:06:51.480 --> 0:06:55.200 had a cylinder in it that the top hat fit on. Yeah, 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:58.159 it could be that would stop the wind issue. Yeah, 0:06:58.640 --> 0:07:00.560 but here's here's another there's another a reason to not 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:03.400 believe it. And let's just say if they if these 0:07:03.440 --> 0:07:05.960 things existed, or just one of them is somebody would 0:07:05.960 --> 0:07:08.679 have made a five hundred foot tall city destroying snowman 0:07:08.760 --> 0:07:11.840 a long time ago, and we've never seen one because 0:07:11.960 --> 0:07:15.560 it's it is all little kids that are around Frosty. Yeah, 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:18.320 and little kids love to make that kind of yeah 0:07:18.320 --> 0:07:20.240 they do. Oh yeah, I mean I would make it. 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:23.840 I would make the biggest snowman possible. So I think 0:07:23.880 --> 0:07:26.840 that Frosty was actually something else entirely, and there is 0:07:26.920 --> 0:07:30.040 actually some support for this in the town Moved, of 0:07:30.080 --> 0:07:32.640 all places. He's inanimate, then it comes to life, and 0:07:32.760 --> 0:07:35.360 that sounds an awful out Like a golem. I don't 0:07:35.400 --> 0:07:37.760 know what am is. I mean, I know what goalm is, 0:07:37.840 --> 0:07:39.960 but I don't know what a go yeah golem is. 0:07:40.800 --> 0:07:43.920 In Jewish folklore, it's uh, it's when somebody wants to 0:07:44.000 --> 0:07:45.880 make a creature that can be sort of a helper, 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:50.120 that kind of thing, or a defender. They can put 0:07:50.200 --> 0:07:52.400 one together out of like mud or dust or whatever. 0:07:52.760 --> 0:07:54.320 And then and then if you know that, if you 0:07:54.400 --> 0:07:56.840 know the right magic words, so you can actually turn 0:07:56.920 --> 0:07:59.240 this into an animated creature. I want to say it 0:07:59.360 --> 0:08:01.760 was there. It's always there's something that's always written on 0:08:01.840 --> 0:08:05.520 the forehead night. Yeah, I can't remember what it is. 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:07.600 But that's how they bring it to life. Yeah, and 0:08:07.680 --> 0:08:10.360 so a golm can be really made of anything, even snow, 0:08:10.880 --> 0:08:13.040 and then you have your you have your little helper 0:08:13.080 --> 0:08:17.120 defend or whatever. So so Frosty could have been made 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:21.280 of snow and been animated to help. He didn't. Yeah, 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:24.160 he didn't really actually do much. He didn't do much 0:08:24.200 --> 0:08:26.320 other than playing with the kids. It seems like, although 0:08:26.320 --> 0:08:28.240 I guess around the holidays, that's kind of what you want, right, 0:08:28.320 --> 0:08:31.760 You're like, okay, kids, get out of the house, go play. 0:08:32.080 --> 0:08:34.880 I have so much work to do. Is that not 0:08:35.040 --> 0:08:37.360 a thing? Yeah, no, that definitely is the thing. But 0:08:37.440 --> 0:08:40.599 here's my problem with the steery Joe is that the 0:08:40.679 --> 0:08:47.760 goal doesn't speak. Yeah, Frosty nattered on continually. Yeah, this 0:08:47.920 --> 0:08:49.920 is according to the story anyway. Yeah, he did speak, 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:52.760 so that that is a kind of a weakness in 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:56.040 the theory. Although you never know. I mean, it's just 0:08:56.200 --> 0:08:58.520 like zombies and the movies have have sort of morphed 0:08:58.559 --> 0:09:00.440 over the years and now they move fast. Oh they 0:09:00.520 --> 0:09:06.480 used to be slow and bumbly and now they Olympic speeds. Yeah, exactly, 0:09:06.679 --> 0:09:11.160 So different attributes they yeah, they you know, in different ways. 0:09:11.240 --> 0:09:14.160 And stuff. Yeah, so the goal and may have evolved 0:09:14.320 --> 0:09:18.679 just like zombies did. Possibly, yeah, possible. Yeah. Yeah, so 0:09:19.200 --> 0:09:22.439 that's my theory. I'm sticking with it. Okay, Well, prepared 0:09:22.559 --> 0:09:29.120 to decide otherwise because I actually did my research, uh 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:33.600 and found found some experts here and I, um, while 0:09:33.800 --> 0:09:35.640 you know, I did my homework or I'm lazy, whichever, 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:38.120 How did you find these guys? Well, you know, I 0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:41.560 did a little digging. Um, I found some historic records 0:09:41.840 --> 0:09:46.000 and you know, somebody suggested that these guys might know 0:09:46.360 --> 0:09:49.000 what they were talking about. So, um, I actually gave 0:09:49.040 --> 0:09:51.240 him a call. I did recording. Can you want to 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:57.880 just um, you just want to listen to? Yeah, this 0:09:58.040 --> 0:10:01.360 is Justin and errand from the Generation one. Oh hey, guys, 0:10:01.440 --> 0:10:04.280 it's it's Devin from Thinking Sideways. Who is this really 0:10:04.760 --> 0:10:08.200 you guys, It's Devin. It's it's Devin from Thinking Sideways. 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:10.280 You know that other podcast that you get compared to 0:10:10.360 --> 0:10:11.960 all the time, and we get compared to you all 0:10:12.000 --> 0:10:15.079 the time, and we're like best friends. Now apparently I 0:10:15.400 --> 0:10:17.240 I need your help. I hear you guys have some 0:10:17.320 --> 0:10:20.040 information on Frosty a k a. The Snowman. Can you 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:23.880 tell me about him? Like who he was or anything 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:27.280 about him. So do we have, like, what evidence do 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:29.920 we have on Frosty the Snowman. I I don't know. 0:10:30.120 --> 0:10:32.559 I didn't really do very much research. I kind of 0:10:32.640 --> 0:10:34.319 did a little digging and then found you guys, so 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:36.360 can you can can you guys help me out here? 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:40.200 We don't have a corn cob pipe or a hat, 0:10:40.679 --> 0:10:43.160 so some things are lost to history, so there's no 0:10:43.280 --> 0:10:45.959 physical evidence now the physical evidence has gone. What we 0:10:46.080 --> 0:10:50.319 do have, though, is a song. If you remember, not 0:10:50.480 --> 0:10:53.280 too long ago, we cover the McMartin pre school scandal 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:57.160 and a song figured pretty heavily into that case. So 0:10:57.960 --> 0:11:01.880 here I think this song, Frosty the Snowman, is even 0:11:02.040 --> 0:11:05.319 more important to this case than the other song was 0:11:05.440 --> 0:11:07.559 to the McMartin that that song was written in the 0:11:07.600 --> 0:11:11.240 early nineteen fifties. Maybe the lyrics will tell us something 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:15.760 about this, So it goes, Frosty the Snowman was a jolly, 0:11:15.840 --> 0:11:20.760 happy soul, so we know he's jolly and he has 0:11:20.800 --> 0:11:24.360 a soul, so he's a being or he's alive right, 0:11:25.840 --> 0:11:28.640 with a corn cob pipe and a button nose and 0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:33.439 two eyes made out of coal. Well coal back then, 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:37.199 back in the fifties, you had coal mining and you 0:11:37.320 --> 0:11:42.280 had coal burning furnaces. So I guess this is sort 0:11:42.320 --> 0:11:47.079 of his trying to relate to the common man, the workerman, 0:11:47.559 --> 0:11:51.439 the blue collar worker, right, hard working man. Yeah, you 0:11:51.520 --> 0:11:54.640 gotta give respect to Frosty already, right, Yeah. And he's 0:11:54.679 --> 0:11:57.800 got a button nose. I mean that's clothing, you know. 0:11:58.480 --> 0:12:00.439 Maybe it's good for a sniffing clothing. I don't know. 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:06.040 Frosty the Snowman is a fairy tale. They say he 0:12:06.200 --> 0:12:09.760 was made of snow, but the children know how he 0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:15.520 came to life one day, so the children know, how 0:12:15.679 --> 0:12:18.439 did they know? How were they being questioned about this? 0:12:18.800 --> 0:12:21.720 Who was questioning the children? I don't know that they're 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:24.440 being questioned. It almost sounds like it's a secret they're 0:12:24.440 --> 0:12:28.640 supposed to keep the children know, the adults do not know. 0:12:29.720 --> 0:12:33.520 That's a little suspicious, very suspicious. Now I'm not feeling 0:12:33.600 --> 0:12:36.679 so good about Frosty now, okay, Uh. There must have 0:12:36.800 --> 0:12:40.200 been some magic and that old silk hat they found 0:12:41.600 --> 0:12:48.600 magic hat to entice children. Kids love magic, or maybe 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:54.280 it's magic mushroom silk road, I don't know. For when 0:12:54.320 --> 0:12:57.360 they placed it on his head, he began to dance 0:12:57.440 --> 0:13:02.079 around the magic hat induced is dancing could be another 0:13:02.160 --> 0:13:04.880 drug reference. I'm not sure. Well, now it really is 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:08.319 starting to sound like drugs. Okay, it was written in 0:13:08.360 --> 0:13:11.199 the fifties, right, well, what would people think that was 0:13:11.240 --> 0:13:13.920 before before I'm not supposed to dance like that right now. 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:15.960 It was a little taboo. I mean, this is before 0:13:16.000 --> 0:13:21.560 footluc even. Oh, Frosty the Snowman was a lie as 0:13:21.600 --> 0:13:24.400 he could be. And the children say he could laugh 0:13:24.480 --> 0:13:27.760 and play just the same as you and me. So 0:13:27.920 --> 0:13:31.079 he's identifying with them. He's saying, hey, that's cool. You know, 0:13:31.200 --> 0:13:34.240 I may be big, but I'm one of you. Yeah, 0:13:34.440 --> 0:13:37.200 but it is a little weird for this adult male 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:40.040 guy to be only playing with children. And he's kind 0:13:40.080 --> 0:13:42.960 of blue collar. I mean, if he's Michael Jackson, that's 0:13:43.080 --> 0:13:46.000 one thing. But I don't know if Frosty has enough 0:13:46.080 --> 0:13:48.400 money to be playing with little kids and get away 0:13:48.480 --> 0:13:53.760 with it. Uh, Frosty clumsy as he could be. See 0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:57.640 him lopping along off he goes on an icicle spree 0:13:58.520 --> 0:14:02.760 with a happy song. Rosty the snow Man, he's clumsy, 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:07.040 he likes to trip and fall. Uh, maybe put his 0:14:07.120 --> 0:14:09.480 hands somewhere. They don't need to be. I don't know. 0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:13.160 I mean, it's we we got problems. He's falling down 0:14:13.280 --> 0:14:17.760 or falling into people. Yeah, it's pretty clumsy. He knew 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:21.720 the sun was hot that day, so he said, let's 0:14:21.840 --> 0:14:26.120 run and we'll have some fun now before I melt away. 0:14:27.640 --> 0:14:29.920 He knew the sun was hot that day. The heat 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:32.960 is on. The heat is on, but the heat is 0:14:33.040 --> 0:14:36.200 onto him. Yeah, he knows his time what these children 0:14:36.280 --> 0:14:40.560 is limited. Let's just say that. Down to the village 0:14:40.960 --> 0:14:44.320 with a broomstick in his hand. Okay, there's more children 0:14:44.400 --> 0:14:50.560 in the village. Possible weapon involved or a spanking tool. Yeah, 0:14:51.400 --> 0:14:55.080 running here and there all around the square, saying catch 0:14:55.160 --> 0:14:58.560 me if you can. That's cute. He led them dow. 0:14:59.000 --> 0:15:02.040 He's luring them. Yeah, like, oh, let's play this game. 0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:05.240 Catch me, catch me and run down the basement. Oh 0:15:05.360 --> 0:15:08.120 oh yeah, they're grabbing t he he yeah, this is 0:15:08.480 --> 0:15:12.080 this isn't good so far man. He led them down 0:15:12.120 --> 0:15:15.960 the streets of town, right to the traffic cop and 0:15:16.120 --> 0:15:19.600 only paused a moment when he heard him haller, stop, 0:15:20.640 --> 0:15:23.880 Frosty has just been given a lawful command by a 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:28.000 police officer, and a police officer if he suspects that 0:15:28.120 --> 0:15:31.240 crime is being committed. He has the right to stop 0:15:31.320 --> 0:15:36.560 you and terry frisk you and terrogate you. He has 0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:40.520 the right, and you have to obey his command. So 0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:43.360 he sees Frosty with a group of children that he's 0:15:43.400 --> 0:15:48.720 not related to. He's not their guardian. Frosty the Snowman 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:52.720 had to hurry on his way, but he waved goodbye, saying, 0:15:52.960 --> 0:15:57.840 don't you cry, I'll be back again someday. I think 0:15:57.920 --> 0:16:01.880 Frosty just refused a lawful and from an officer, and 0:16:02.000 --> 0:16:06.880 we could consider him fleeing from a scene or evading arrest. 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:11.160 He didn't stop, right, Well, the idea is that he's 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:14.880 not planning to stop, but he could be caught. And 0:16:14.960 --> 0:16:17.280 I think he's telling everyone don't worry one way or another. 0:16:17.320 --> 0:16:20.720 I'll work my way back. I'll be back. Well, whether 0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:22.760 he's caught or whether he gets away. Okay, But the 0:16:22.840 --> 0:16:27.440 next line is thumpety thump, thump, thumpity thump thump. Now 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:31.760 is this the sound of the nightstick hitting him? Well, 0:16:32.800 --> 0:16:37.400 it's either that or you know the sound a heavy 0:16:37.560 --> 0:16:40.080 If you make a big heavy snow block or something 0:16:40.160 --> 0:16:42.520 and throw it at the snow, it makes the thump. Yeah. Yeah, 0:16:42.960 --> 0:16:47.160 So there's a battle here. He's getting slammed down with concrete. 0:16:47.200 --> 0:16:51.600 Either this is a really vicious battle, either the cops 0:16:51.680 --> 0:16:56.000 winning or Frosty's winning. But I think with the thumpety 0:16:56.040 --> 0:16:58.320 thump thump, maybe I'm reading too much, but to me, 0:16:58.400 --> 0:17:01.160 it sounds like someone is consisting stantly winning here. So 0:17:01.840 --> 0:17:04.960 either the Night's Stick is working or Frosty is working. 0:17:05.480 --> 0:17:08.520 And if if I had to guess, it's the Night's Stick, 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:14.120 I think that's if this has a happy ending. Well, 0:17:14.160 --> 0:17:18.560 it says, look at Frosty go. Is that to jail? No, 0:17:18.960 --> 0:17:21.760 look at Frosty go, to me implies that Frosty is 0:17:21.800 --> 0:17:26.760 moving under his own powers. So to me, I think 0:17:26.840 --> 0:17:30.399 maybe he sort of separated into his three parts. And 0:17:30.440 --> 0:17:33.479 then it went sumbody thump thump down onto the police 0:17:33.560 --> 0:17:38.000 officer and then he's like knocked out. And then watch 0:17:38.080 --> 0:17:41.520 Frosty go. He's heading for the hills. He's running for 0:17:41.600 --> 0:17:44.440 the hill. Well it says thumpty thump thump over the 0:17:44.560 --> 0:17:49.639 hills of snow. I mean, I really like the movie Scarface, 0:17:49.840 --> 0:17:53.080 and there was hills of snow in that movie. I'm 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:59.640 not sure what was the original question. Were we supposed 0:17:59.680 --> 0:18:04.240 to I don't know what. Frosty just doesn't sound like 0:18:04.320 --> 0:18:07.920 a good person to me. Why Frosty, why did he 0:18:08.000 --> 0:18:11.640 do it? He shall we have we have an idea 0:18:11.640 --> 0:18:14.000 of why he did it, but it makes us uncomfortable 0:18:14.000 --> 0:18:18.320 even to think about it. Right, Yeah, Frosty is not 0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:23.080 so nice now, no? Right? No, So I hope that 0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:27.840 answer answers your guys questions, and thanks for asking, and 0:18:28.280 --> 0:18:30.960 you all have a merry Christmas. Yeah, what's in the pipe? Frosty? 0:18:31.640 --> 0:18:34.000 Thanks you guys. Um, that was really helpful. Have a 0:18:34.040 --> 0:18:36.760 good Christmas. Merry Christmas. Say hi to Val and the 0:18:36.800 --> 0:18:40.840 kids for me. Show off so they seem to know 0:18:40.880 --> 0:18:44.479 what they're talking about, right, sort of a little. I mean, 0:18:44.560 --> 0:18:47.560 they bring up some good points, I will give them. 0:18:47.600 --> 0:18:51.520 That song sounds like he could have been an actual guy. 0:18:53.359 --> 0:18:56.159 What it's suggesting that Frosty was some sort of a 0:18:56.240 --> 0:18:59.200 per for that he was a drug pusher or what. Yeah, 0:18:59.400 --> 0:19:01.840 that he was like a like a drug guy, like 0:19:01.960 --> 0:19:05.200 a drug type guy. Is this why I've suddenly noticed 0:19:05.400 --> 0:19:09.359 that both of you have been saying Frosty a k a. 0:19:09.600 --> 0:19:13.840 The Snowman, that's his name, Yeah, as in the snowman, 0:19:13.960 --> 0:19:16.360 as in you know that was his code name as 0:19:16.400 --> 0:19:20.840 in blow. Yeah, okay, I did not know that part. Okay, yes, 0:19:20.920 --> 0:19:22.360 I know one of the kids like him so much. 0:19:24.920 --> 0:19:30.639 They have so much energy, So I guess, um, I 0:19:31.680 --> 0:19:33.359 can do we feel like we need to come to 0:19:33.440 --> 0:19:36.159 a consensus in the room about what Frosty was in 0:19:36.320 --> 0:19:39.159 order to go forward or do? Are we okay with 0:19:39.320 --> 0:19:42.160 just thinking different things? I don't know that it does 0:19:42.200 --> 0:19:44.159 any good because the fact of the matter is is 0:19:44.320 --> 0:19:48.040 the media industrial complex is going to push the he 0:19:48.200 --> 0:19:51.280 was a snowman thing and it doesn't really matter. It 0:19:51.320 --> 0:19:54.320 doesn't matter to us. I guess it matters to us 0:19:54.359 --> 0:19:57.439 and our listeners. But let's face it, you know, I mean, 0:19:57.680 --> 0:19:59.680 no matter what truth we come up with, it will 0:19:59.680 --> 0:20:03.040 be Yeah. Well, I don't know. I think it's probably 0:20:03.080 --> 0:20:05.080 worth coming up with the truth. I mean, I I 0:20:06.000 --> 0:20:09.480 think that um, guys from generation why, they definitely know 0:20:09.640 --> 0:20:11.959 their stuff. And yeah it was but you know, they 0:20:12.200 --> 0:20:16.280 said that Frosty was kind of a pusher kind of guy. Yeah, 0:20:16.560 --> 0:20:19.160 but it appears to me that he actually was a snowman. 0:20:19.800 --> 0:20:23.760 I don't have animated snowman. I just don't. All right, well, 0:20:23.800 --> 0:20:26.720 and that's not you know, he can be a snowman 0:20:27.280 --> 0:20:29.480 and still be a drug pusher. That's true. It could 0:20:29.480 --> 0:20:32.720 be a snowman dealing snow. So okay, well then I 0:20:32.760 --> 0:20:34.920 mean what evidence do we I mean, what do we 0:20:35.040 --> 0:20:37.800 know about Frosty? What happened to Frosty? Well, yeah, that's 0:20:38.320 --> 0:20:40.440 according to the song, he ran a foul of the 0:20:40.800 --> 0:20:44.080 of the town's traffic cop and then left town, promising 0:20:44.119 --> 0:20:46.960 to be back someday. But of course, you know, in town, 0:20:47.000 --> 0:20:49.439 out of town, sooner or later, the temperature goes up, 0:20:49.560 --> 0:20:52.760 Frosty melts. Um. You know, so you couldn't have survived 0:20:52.840 --> 0:20:57.440 that season. Yeah, just seasonal change, seasonal change. Yeah. So, 0:20:58.119 --> 0:21:01.000 but so that is one that you know that's kind 0:21:01.040 --> 0:21:05.240 of the prevalent theory, is that temperature rise and frost emails. Actually, 0:21:05.359 --> 0:21:08.639 you guys, Um, when I was talking to Justin and Aaron, 0:21:09.000 --> 0:21:12.600 they actually mentioned that they Yeah, the gen Y guys, 0:21:12.960 --> 0:21:16.720 they they know someone who might actually have kind of 0:21:16.800 --> 0:21:20.159 the inside scoop about what actually happened to Frosty. Um, 0:21:20.400 --> 0:21:21.639 I have a stone over. Do you want to give 0:21:21.720 --> 0:21:23.840 him a call? Okay, so wait, but this guy, this 0:21:23.920 --> 0:21:27.440 guy is really if I remember this because I saw 0:21:27.520 --> 0:21:30.680 these emails going back. Yeah, then this guy. He's a 0:21:30.680 --> 0:21:33.600 little squirrely about who he is. Okay, but like, okay, 0:21:33.800 --> 0:21:36.359 but we have it's a podcast, we can edit. Okay. 0:21:36.440 --> 0:21:39.439 So so because I know that I saw this email, 0:21:39.520 --> 0:21:41.399 is that he wanted to be completely anonymous, So we're 0:21:41.400 --> 0:21:44.639 gonna keep this anonymous for him. Yeah, of course we are. Okay, 0:21:45.280 --> 0:21:47.800 so so you but you have to edit it. So 0:21:48.000 --> 0:21:53.920 let's just call him up right now. Okay, Hey, Mike, 0:21:54.720 --> 0:21:58.520 that's me. Oh hey Mike, it's it's Devin from Thinking Sideways. Um. 0:21:58.760 --> 0:22:01.560 We email back and forth a couple of times. UM, 0:22:01.760 --> 0:22:04.840 we are giving you a call recording right now. UM, 0:22:04.920 --> 0:22:08.520 hopefully that's okay. I know you're well, we'll edit. It's fine. Um, 0:22:08.640 --> 0:22:12.800 but we've we have some questions about Frosty because you 0:22:12.840 --> 0:22:14.960 said that you had some infune that you would talk 0:22:15.040 --> 0:22:17.720 to us about it. Now there's we've got a bunch 0:22:17.720 --> 0:22:20.679 of questions. Yeah, as like, as you know, we were 0:22:21.080 --> 0:22:23.800 covering the story of Frosty a k a. The Snowman, 0:22:24.760 --> 0:22:27.159 and uh you know, as you are well aware of 0:22:27.200 --> 0:22:30.600 the standards, story is that Frosty was done in by 0:22:30.640 --> 0:22:34.920 a temperature change and he essentially melted. But I've heard 0:22:35.000 --> 0:22:38.160 rumors on Redd at in other places that Frosty perhaps 0:22:38.960 --> 0:22:42.280 met us in a different way. Yeah, listen, um, yeah, 0:22:42.880 --> 0:22:45.080 I'm only talking to you guys because I don't want 0:22:46.119 --> 0:22:48.439 you know, I just I don't think this is right 0:22:48.480 --> 0:22:52.320 what they did to that boy. Um do you mean Frosty. Yeah, 0:22:53.119 --> 0:22:55.040 you gotta promise me, though, you're gonna keep my name 0:22:55.080 --> 0:22:57.760 out of this, because if they did that to him, 0:22:57.880 --> 0:22:59.720 imagine what they're gonna do to me. You know, I 0:22:59.760 --> 0:23:03.560 have house of family, a dog. We will we won't, 0:23:03.600 --> 0:23:06.120 we won't let it out. Yeah, we'll delete your any 0:23:06.200 --> 0:23:08.440 references to your name and everything else in Sword and 0:23:08.480 --> 0:23:13.720 Scale podcast. Okay, so what's what's going on? What happened? Well, 0:23:13.840 --> 0:23:16.360 you know, the the official answers that nobody really knows 0:23:16.440 --> 0:23:19.639 for sure. Um, what we do know is that on 0:23:19.760 --> 0:23:25.159 July one, the day after Jimmy Hoffa was killed, a 0:23:25.240 --> 0:23:27.680 fourteen year old boy by the name of Sammy Johnson 0:23:28.160 --> 0:23:30.479 he was skateboarding when he found a carrot near an 0:23:30.480 --> 0:23:34.320 industrial food packing warehouse just outside of Detroit. Oh my god, 0:23:34.560 --> 0:23:37.560