Speaker 1: Hey, the folks, it is Tuesday, August fourth, and an
Speaker 1: illness that we have been told for weeks and even
Speaker 1: months now is not usually fatal. It's just claimed to lives.
Speaker 1: And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and
Speaker 1: TJ Worlds. We said this set from the beginning, right,
Speaker 1: if you just get enough of these cases, they keep
Speaker 1: going up. Eventually we're going to get to this point.
Speaker 1: And here we are. The cyclospora outbreak is now a
Speaker 1: deadly one, and that was.
Speaker 2: Not what anyone had been anticipating or even warning of,
Speaker 2: at least in this case. And these are the first
Speaker 2: two the only I say only deaths. But when you
Speaker 2: look at the number of people who have been affected
Speaker 2: and infected with this parasite, perhaps it shouldn't be too shocking,
Speaker 2: but it is still alarming to hear. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: these are the first two deaths known to be caused
Speaker 2: by psych spora.
Speaker 1: And it's something they keep uh and it is true, Robes.
Speaker 1: This is well, they don't even say usually non fatal.
Speaker 1: It's not considered fatal because they don't. You can't even
Speaker 1: find a mortality rate necessarily because they just don't keep up.
Speaker 1: There aren't cyclospora deaths. But here we are robes. The
Speaker 1: numbers are all over the place in terms of the cases,
Speaker 1: and we'll get into that, but it was important to
Speaker 1: get on ropes because people see the headlines now that
Speaker 1: were initially I mean, frankly, you can say a lot
Speaker 1: of people having fun with it, this idea of explosive
Speaker 1: diarrhea and tackle bell put all this together, ropes. Your
Speaker 1: dad used this line, he said, was it you're you
Speaker 1: won't You might feel like you want to die, but
Speaker 1: you're not going to correct which one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's something to that effect, basically, like you may
Speaker 2: want to die or you feel like you're gonna die,
Speaker 2: but you're probably not gonna.
Speaker 1: Yes, And that's the truth. And that's the case, and
Speaker 1: it has been the case overwhelmingly in all of these cases.
Speaker 1: We've seen thousands and thousands now the first two deaths,
Speaker 1: so we want to hop on and give them and
Speaker 1: put them in context, at least robes, because this will
Speaker 1: alarm people that wait a minute, I thought it was this,
Speaker 1: and you're telling me this thing could kill me now,
Speaker 1: so you want to put it in context. And we
Speaker 1: do need to start robes first of all, with where
Speaker 1: these two deaths are being recorded.
Speaker 2: In the state of Michigan where the I mean clearly
Speaker 2: it's the EPPI center of this outbreak where we have, yes,
Speaker 2: an alarming seven figure number of cases coming out of
Speaker 2: that state, and those numbers continue to increase. And look,
Speaker 2: it is a little confusing because it does take it
Speaker 2: can take up to two weeks for symptoms to occur,
Speaker 2: so we don't know if we're past the worst of it,
Speaker 2: if we have a lull in it. It's tough to know,
Speaker 2: just given how far apart when you eat something that's
Speaker 2: contaminated with cyclist bora too, when you actually feel like
Speaker 2: you want to die and.
Speaker 1: Then robes, then the reporting there's a lag as well,
Speaker 1: So it's I don't robes. I'm not seeing anything that
Speaker 1: was a day or two last week where they thought
Speaker 1: they had peaked. I haven't seen anything consistently saying that
Speaker 1: they're going down now under control now, I haven't seen it.
Speaker 3: I haven't seen that either yet.
Speaker 2: And in fact, the the alarming part, yes, alongside getting
Speaker 2: news that two people have died, just that they don't
Speaker 2: necessarily know this source in the majority of these cases.
Speaker 2: So yes, every time we and any of us are
Speaker 2: going to the grocery store or buying food or looking
Speaker 2: to see what we can eat. We want to pick
Speaker 2: the healthy option for our family, and oftentimes that is
Speaker 2: fresh produce. But right now, thinking about well, hell, they
Speaker 2: can't figure out where this parasite is coming from. We
Speaker 2: might know one source, but that only explains a fraction
Speaker 2: of the cases that have been reported.
Speaker 1: One source and the source. We keep talking about Taylor
Speaker 1: Farms and their Mexican plant, but Robes, they came back
Speaker 1: and they confirmed that they haven't They don't have a
Speaker 1: positive lab test from that farm. Now there are other
Speaker 1: reasons and they can put together and have a great
Speaker 1: degree of confidence that this is where it came from
Speaker 1: by tracing barrobes. That's still pretty stunning to think there
Speaker 1: has not been a definitive positive lab test to confirm
Speaker 1: any piece of food at any plant anywhere it's responsible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, we've been eating some romaine lettuce.
Speaker 2: I've been taking great care in cleaning it. I saw
Speaker 2: Annalise had bought some raspberries and I have eaten them
Speaker 2: because I know they're on the.
Speaker 3: List of possible cyclosporas sources. So I washed the heck
Speaker 3: out of those. But as I'm eating them. I'm concerned.
Speaker 2: I'm worried about what I'm eating, but I also know
Speaker 2: that's the food that's.
Speaker 1: Good for me as you're eating them. I'm concerned too, sweetheart.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't really do berries.
Speaker 1: No, I'm concerned. I don't want anybody in this house since.
Speaker 2: Cilantrobes basil, like, we have been eating some things that
Speaker 2: are on the potential list.
Speaker 1: And they do tell you just wash the hell out
Speaker 1: of anything you got right now, wash it really well,
Speaker 1: wash it better than you normally would cook the stuff
Speaker 1: if you can. But roges, that is the best guidance
Speaker 1: right now because they don't exactly know. You talk about
Speaker 1: slantro and parsley ands, what snow peas?
Speaker 2: Is it?
Speaker 3: Prasberries, basil?
Speaker 1: All that stuff potentially is where we greens.
Speaker 2: How about that leafy greens. That's a broad category and
Speaker 2: it's what we eat pretty much at every single meal.
Speaker 1: We do we actually do, so at this point the
Speaker 1: guidance is be aware and to wash. They claim rooms
Speaker 1: at all the recalled lettuce that they believe is from
Speaker 1: Taylor Farms, and then Mexican plant is off the market.
Speaker 1: At this point, Taco Bell changed its menu and change
Speaker 1: things immediately, so they think the danger is off the
Speaker 1: shelves and not in restaurants right now. But they don't know.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, how can they even think that?
Speaker 2: They know they've removed a potentially known source, but there
Speaker 2: is still potentially a lot of other sources, or at
Speaker 2: least one other source.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we haven't even mentioned. We'll mention in a
Speaker 1: second there is another cyclo spora outbreak that they're investigating
Speaker 1: right now. By the way, folks, there is a second
Speaker 1: one separate from the one we're talking about. We'll explain
Speaker 1: that in a secon. But Michigan, they've been giving update.
Speaker 1: They've been good on it and been on top of it.
Speaker 1: They give these updates every day of the week. And
Speaker 1: their latest update we don't actually have one as of
Speaker 1: this recording for this Monday, but the one they put
Speaker 1: out yesterday Robes was the one that confirmed that, in fact,
Speaker 1: we have seen two deaths.
Speaker 2: Now, that's right, so they put this announcement out. Two
Speaker 2: deaths have been identified as part of the cyclosporus outbreak
Speaker 2: affecting Michigan. According to medical records, both individuals had significant
Speaker 2: underlying health conditions that may have been impacted by cyclosporus
Speaker 2: and dehydration. The two Michigan cases became ill prior to
Speaker 2: the voluntary recall of iceberg led us announced by the
Speaker 2: US Food and Drug Administration on July seventeenth. And then
Speaker 2: they went on to say that cyclist forus is generally
Speaker 2: not a life threatening illness. Death resulting from cyclist for
Speaker 2: us is uncommon in the United States. And I told
Speaker 2: you in the New York Times they had a microbiologist
Speaker 2: saying this is unprecedented, a microbiologist who worked on outbreaks
Speaker 2: at the FDA from ninety seven to twenty eleven, so
Speaker 2: that he was not aware of any other instance in
Speaker 2: the United States where the CDC reported deaths linked to
Speaker 2: cyclist forus. That is significant. I haven't seen anywhere else
Speaker 2: anyone coming out with that strong of a language, but
Speaker 2: that stood out to me for sure.
Speaker 1: Well it stood out because I've been scouring the internet
Speaker 1: and health departments around the world trying to find some
Speaker 1: count of cyclospora deaths on an annual basis. They don't
Speaker 1: keep up ro because they don't exist, have it, because
Speaker 1: we don't have We talked about Michigan. Here robes with
Speaker 1: sitting at eleven thousand plus cases. They get forty or
Speaker 1: fifty on average. So we're trying to put this in
Speaker 1: some kind of context of just how a phenomenal of
Speaker 1: a year and an outbreak that we're going through right now.
Speaker 1: If we were dealing with a more serious or life
Speaker 1: threatening illness, this would be in this Folks would be
Speaker 1: calling for people to be hauled in to jail.
Speaker 3: You know, we'd be in a tail spin right now.
Speaker 2: We'd be in a full state of panic if these
Speaker 2: numbers existed for any other illness that had a higher
Speaker 2: fatality rate.
Speaker 3: But I'm curious we didn't get to know.
Speaker 2: We haven't learned anything about these two deaths other than
Speaker 2: to be told that they had significant underlying health conditions.
Speaker 2: We don't know the age, we don't know the gender,
Speaker 2: We don't know anything. The only thing we can deduce
Speaker 2: is that when you've got when they say dehydration, and
Speaker 2: we obviously know that cyclospora causes explosive or extreme diarrhea,
Speaker 2: we know that that can be dangerous.
Speaker 3: Just as a parent, you know this. As a child,
Speaker 3: your main risk is dehydration. So yes, if you have
Speaker 3: a vulnerable group of folks.
Speaker 2: Like infants, older adults, anyone who's pregnant, anyone who has
Speaker 2: a weakened immune system who might be more susceptible to dehydration.
Speaker 3: But I feel like in this case, especially.
Speaker 2: Just because there's such a big level of fear and
Speaker 2: the unknown, I feel like it would just be so helpful.
Speaker 2: I understand they want to protect the privacy of patients
Speaker 2: and folks, but just to give us a little bit
Speaker 2: more information about who died would be appreciated.
Speaker 1: Maybe they're getting the clearances to do such a thing,
Speaker 1: because you're right, and they get that, I'm sure as well,
Speaker 1: but they have to give maybe the famili's permission or
Speaker 1: something else. But that would be helpful to understand, to.
Speaker 3: Know I would like to know what.
Speaker 2: Was going on with them very much, like to know
Speaker 2: what the underlying conditions were and just the ages and
Speaker 2: just I would like to know that specific so I
Speaker 2: could just feel better about my choices. Our choices is
Speaker 2: a family, what we're eating, what we're providing that's scary.
Speaker 1: We might get those. Hopefully we get those answers, so
Speaker 1: we just remember that from COVID. I think a lot
Speaker 1: of people are familiar when we looked at who was dying,
Speaker 1: who was dying early on, and who was the concern
Speaker 1: early on were folks who were older and folks who
Speaker 1: were very young at the time. That was something else
Speaker 1: what happened around COVID.
Speaker 3: That was immunocompromise too as well.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm not gonna be able coming it right now.
Speaker 1: I just had a moment. Wasn't there something about how
Speaker 1: young people were better at combating COVID and they wanted
Speaker 1: to keep them in school? Actually that was something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the healthy immune system that yes, they could pop.
Speaker 2: They just had the ability to fight it off. They
Speaker 2: had better natural immunity than older folks. I mean, look,
Speaker 2: all of the headlines out of COVID initially were older folks,
Speaker 2: senior citizen homes, senior care facilities. That was all the
Speaker 2: nursing homes. That was the big concern because that was
Speaker 2: the most vulnerable population.
Speaker 1: What was the thing about healthy individuals? Sometimes you have
Speaker 1: such a good immune system that it over compensates it.
Speaker 1: Does that sound familiarly? Why?
Speaker 3: What that you're referring to?
Speaker 2: From what I recalled the Great influenza at the beginning
Speaker 2: the beginning of the century that killed so many people
Speaker 2: around the world. It eventually started to as as certain
Speaker 2: viruses start to what's the word not morph, but they mutate,
Speaker 2: thank you, they will eventually. The real concern is when
Speaker 2: it starts to hit the healthy population and your own
Speaker 2: immune system is so robust that it overreacts to a
Speaker 2: virus and it ends up killing the host. And that's
Speaker 2: when you have a big concern when you start having
Speaker 2: influenza or viruses kill your strongest and healthiest, and that
Speaker 2: has happened historically. It doesn't happen often, but when it does,
Speaker 2: that's a great concern.
Speaker 1: So that came to mind as you to your point,
Speaker 1: we need to know who these folks were exactly and
Speaker 1: what was going on with them. That would be very useful,
Speaker 1: very helpful information. And we talked about Michigan being the
Speaker 1: epicenter from the very beginning. Their case counts still going
Speaker 1: out there officially sitting in eleven and thirty four. We
Speaker 1: don't have the out update, like I said, from today yet,
Speaker 1: but that was the latest and they have about two
Speaker 1: hundred hospitalizations there the messed up part ropes. We get
Speaker 1: these numbers kind of coming out of Michigan. Michigan has
Speaker 1: eleven thousand cases. The CDC, which is keeping an eye
Speaker 1: on things nationally, right, is barely reporting about half of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's just that's for the entire country. So
Speaker 2: obviously those numbers are wildly off. And again to point out,
Speaker 2: anyone who's been listening to us will say it again,
Speaker 2: whatever the numbers are, whatever the official numbers are, even
Speaker 2: from these state reports, go ahead and double that because
Speaker 2: most people, or at least a majority or a certain
Speaker 2: large chunk of these folks are not necessarily going to
Speaker 2: their doctors and being tested and having a confirmed illness diagnosed.
Speaker 2: They just take pepto bismol and suck it up at home.
Speaker 2: So that is the truth. These numbers are much greater
Speaker 2: than we're actually seeing.
Speaker 1: So yes, when you see that, it's going to be confusing.
Speaker 1: When you see the CDC telling you they only have
Speaker 1: sixty seven hundred confirmed cases and you go, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: Michigan's got eleven thousand. That's why the states do their reporting.
Speaker 1: Then they have to report it to the CDC that
Speaker 1: has to check it all out, and then they post
Speaker 1: it to their web. So the CDC is weeks.
Speaker 2: Which most people will point to that they're wildly understaffed
Speaker 2: on top of it all, so it's adding to the
Speaker 2: very confusing dissemination of actual numbers in terms of what
Speaker 2: we're dealing with and the.
Speaker 3: Scope of it.
Speaker 2: But you looked at the scope of it, and this
Speaker 2: is significant, not to like, not to underplay what's happening
Speaker 2: because we've only had two deaths. It's significant that two
Speaker 2: people have died. But these numbers are astronomical.
Speaker 1: There, and they believe that there are at least twenty
Speaker 1: two thousand confirmed and suspected cases in the country. Like
Speaker 1: you say, like your dad says, like microbiologists say, double
Speaker 1: or triple that, and Robes this, we're knocking on the
Speaker 1: door of one of the largest food borne illness outbreaks.
Speaker 1: This is going to rank up there if we keep
Speaker 1: going along this pattern. But like I mentioned, it's not
Speaker 1: the only one out there. The FDA officially lists all
Speaker 1: the outbreaks they're keeping an eye on from all kinds
Speaker 1: of illnesses. And there is a second one that was
Speaker 1: reported on July twenty second. It's up to ninety three cases.
Speaker 1: Now don't exactly know where it is. Robes they didn't specify,
Speaker 1: but they categorize it as an ongoing event and it
Speaker 1: says product linked to illnesses quote not yet identified.
Speaker 3: And maybe never will be. That's the thing about cyclospora.
Speaker 2: They don't always figure out what the source was, and
Speaker 2: that is what is so unnervouing.
Speaker 1: We always I mean, we're washing letters with Paul Molov
Speaker 1: in this mother right now. Nobody knows what to do.
Speaker 1: The worst states, though we talked about Michigan, Ohio, Robes
Speaker 1: is really really ticking up. They got four thousand plus
Speaker 1: cases in Ohio right now here in New York we're
Speaker 1: still under a thousand cases officially. Some of these are
Speaker 1: a few days behind in reporting. Seven hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: three cases in New York now there's seven hundred so
Speaker 1: in North Carolina and Illinois has five hundred cases as well.
Speaker 1: But Robes, all this is behind, and where's the reporting
Speaker 1: and what are the updates? And who ate something a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago that just is about to get
Speaker 1: sick tomorrow. And we're up to.
Speaker 3: Forty five states right now? Correct? Who are reporting an uptick?
Speaker 3: Let's make it fifty?
Speaker 1: Why do we keep doing this?
Speaker 2: Maybe Alaska and Hawaii have survived just because of their logistics.
Speaker 3: I don't know the truth.
Speaker 1: They tell us forty five states, but the CDC is
Speaker 1: still telling us it's confirmed in nine what that's the
Speaker 1: It's everywhere, folks, if you live in the US, if
Speaker 1: you see a piece of lettice, just assume it's a suspect.
Speaker 1: Just to assume it's a suspect. But this had us thinking.
Speaker 1: That's got us looking to the other outbreaks, other major
Speaker 1: food born outbreaks in the country. This one ain't even
Speaker 1: close to being one of the deadliest, but the numbers
Speaker 1: are trickling up robes and it could challenge as far
Speaker 1: as the number of sick. This could become one of
Speaker 1: the biggest outbreaks we have seen in US history.
Speaker 2: Welcome back everyone to Amy and TJ, where yes, we
Speaker 2: are getting word that there are now two people who
Speaker 2: have officially died from this latest outbreak of cyclospora, an
Speaker 2: outbreak we were told is not typically deadly, and we
Speaker 2: were struggling to find any other report officially linking anyone
Speaker 2: to dying from cyclospora. And so that in and of
Speaker 2: itself is significant, but also the numbers they are in
Speaker 2: terms of perspective, in terms of looking at other outbreaks
Speaker 2: in this country's history, this is going to go down
Speaker 2: in history.
Speaker 1: In romes. We see some of the numbers and I compare,
Speaker 1: and once I started looking, nineteen eighty five nineteen ninety four,
Speaker 1: there were two outbreaks. One was milk salmonella in milk ropes.
Speaker 1: I believe there was out of a plant in Illinois,
Speaker 1: but two hundred thousand people got sick d two hundred
Speaker 1: thousand and there were twelve deaths involved. Pot that in
Speaker 1: some kind of context we're not there, certainly not that
Speaker 1: type of deadly, but also salmonella robes.
Speaker 3: Which can be deadly. Absolutely that one.
Speaker 1: Has a different type of risk. So that when we
Speaker 1: be taking a different type of serious salmonella as well.
Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety four robes ice cream, two hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty four thousand people got sick.
Speaker 3: That's scary.
Speaker 2: And I'm looking at both of the nineteen eighty five
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety four, before the Internet, before social media, before
Speaker 2: folks were able to communicate in the way we can now,
Speaker 2: where we can get the information out quickly to a
Speaker 2: lot of people. No matter where you live, no matter
Speaker 2: how remote, you're going to hear the news, you're going
Speaker 2: to see it all over your phone, and you're going
Speaker 2: to know what to look out for. I have to
Speaker 2: think that has to help in terms of people avoiding
Speaker 2: certain foods, or at least learning what to do if
Speaker 2: you have or you want to consume fresh produce.
Speaker 1: Seeing the other that makes sense. My head went to
Speaker 1: looking at eighty five and ninety four, is that those
Speaker 1: numbers might have been doubled. We didn't have the same
Speaker 1: ability to commute to send information from Washington State down
Speaker 1: to Florida to informed, right, they couldn't communicate like that.
Speaker 1: I wonder how much went unreported ropes in these cases.
Speaker 1: So that's a very good point. We remember the Boors
Speaker 1: had lsteria outbreaking. I remember talking to your dad extensively
Speaker 1: about this. He wasn't he was.
Speaker 2: We did because and when you're talking salmonella and then
Speaker 2: this one was lysteria. Those are known bacteria that absolutely
Speaker 2: can lead to death and have led to death. So, yes,
Speaker 2: the Bores had listeria outbreak ten deaths in nineteen states,
Speaker 2: and that was horrific.
Speaker 1: I didn't put the number of sick in that. It
Speaker 1: wasn't that many, like it was like a thousand sick
Speaker 1: and then ten deaths. I think it might have been
Speaker 1: under one hundred sick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's the reason why you learn when you're pregnant,
Speaker 2: Do not eat lunch meat, do not eat anything that
Speaker 2: could potentially have listeria, which is a naturally born bacteria.
Speaker 2: So yeah, you learn when you're pregnant what U ken
Speaker 2: of can I eat because that can be deadly. Pregnant
Speaker 2: women and unborn children are at great risk for that
Speaker 2: of outbreak.
Speaker 1: I had another listeria outbreak in twenty eleven, thirty three
Speaker 1: dead and ten states. Has had to do with a company,
Speaker 1: Jensen Farms. These were contaminated cantalopes. Wow, of all things.
Speaker 1: That was a company also that produced peanut butter and
Speaker 1: peanut butter paste. Responds before salmonella outbreak in two thousand
Speaker 1: and eight two thousand and nine, seven hundred people got
Speaker 1: sick in forty six states and robes nine died in
Speaker 1: that one. I don't remember the Jack in the box
Speaker 1: E Coli outbreaking ninety three. Oh wow, I was.
Speaker 3: But I know this because I was.
Speaker 2: I'm the daughter of a microbiologist who is in charge
Speaker 2: of food safety and E Coli, listeria, and salmonella. I
Speaker 2: heard all about growing up because my dad was literally
Speaker 2: in charge of food safety at several different companies. So yes,
Speaker 2: he was dealing with a lot of these outbreaks. So
Speaker 2: this was this was dinner room topic of conversation. Like
Speaker 2: when we're sitting around the table at dinner, literally we
Speaker 2: would be talking about this kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: I'm laughing. I'm like, wow, what a childhood. And now
Speaker 1: I think every single time I'm around your day and
Speaker 1: we have a meal, we're talking about it.
Speaker 3: Yes, because when you got somebody, it's no surprise.
Speaker 2: My brother grew up to become a doctor trying to
Speaker 2: fix all the problems that.
Speaker 3: My dad was talking about around the dinner table.
Speaker 1: And you decided to go report about all.
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly. It's amazing what that led to.
Speaker 1: But that one was big. You remember that one. This
Speaker 1: had to do with undercooked patties robes e Coli. Seven
Speaker 1: hundred people got sick, four kids died in this one. Robes.
Speaker 1: There was another Listeria outbreaking eighty five fifty deaths. Half
Speaker 1: of those were attributed robe to wimp to fetuses.
Speaker 3: Yes, Lasteria asteria.
Speaker 2: My dad pound, I have chills. My dad pounded that
Speaker 2: in my head when I was pregnant. He was like,
Speaker 2: do not And I remember I was. I was actually
Speaker 2: at a funeral and I was starving and I was.
Speaker 2: We were in the middle of Appalachia in Kentucky. There
Speaker 2: was nowhere to get food and the only thing they
Speaker 2: had out were cold cuts, And my dad said, don't
Speaker 2: care how hungry you are, you are not going to
Speaker 2: have a bite of any of that. That's what it
Speaker 2: just is ingrained in me to avoid it at all costs,
Speaker 2: because yes, those types of stories and headlines and outbreaks
Speaker 2: should scare folks.
Speaker 1: That one was from unpasteurized cheese that came out of Mexico.
Speaker 1: Another outbreak Mexican cucumbers. This was salmonella in twenty fifteen,
Speaker 1: nine hundred people got sick. Six deaths were attributed to
Speaker 1: that one. Then you had another salmonella outbreak Foster Farms
Speaker 1: that was in twenty thirteen. Six hundred and thirty four
Speaker 1: people got sick in twenty nine stakes. And then Taco
Speaker 1: Bell had a salmonella outbreak in two thousand and six
Speaker 1: as well, which seventy one got sick. Now I would
Speaker 1: listed those with my purpose here that the big ones,
Speaker 1: the two salmonella ones, the ice cream and the milk,
Speaker 1: eighty five and ninety four, two hundred plus thousand people
Speaker 1: got sick. But ROAs when you start listing some of
Speaker 1: the worst food born illness outbreaks in the country. Yes,
Speaker 1: there were deaths attached to some of them, but seven
Speaker 1: hundred sick, seven hundred sick, nine hundred six, six hundred.
Speaker 3: Sick, we're talking about twenty two thousand.
Speaker 1: That, just to put it in some kind of context,
Speaker 1: this is no small thing, and I think it might
Speaker 1: be being treated the way that because we just haven't
Speaker 1: seen deaths after death after death. What do we see
Speaker 1: if this thing keeps going?
Speaker 2: Yes, I just think look at the very least, people
Speaker 2: should be aware. They should have the knowledge, the information,
Speaker 2: and to know that even though we haven't seen many deaths,
Speaker 2: if any, up until now, it's certainly worth noting that
Speaker 2: there have been to and this is something to definitely
Speaker 2: take seriously, to wash that produce, and to make choices
Speaker 2: that make you feel most comfortable with all of this
Speaker 2: very important information. It may be confusing, but the numbers
Speaker 2: don't lie. And with that everyone, we always appreciate you
Speaker 2: listening to us. I maybe Roebuck alongside TJ.
Speaker 3: Holmes. We'll talk soon.