WEBVTT - Two Unprecedented Cyclospora Deaths Reported, As Case Numbers Continue To Rise 0:00:02.120 --> 0:00:06.440 Hey, the folks, it is Tuesday, August fourth, and an 0:00:06.480 --> 0:00:09.360 illness that we have been told for weeks and even 0:00:09.400 --> 0:00:15.600 months now is not usually fatal. It's just claimed to lives. 0:00:15.640 --> 0:00:17.639 And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and 0:00:17.720 --> 0:00:21.720 TJ Worlds. We said this set from the beginning, right, 0:00:21.760 --> 0:00:23.920 if you just get enough of these cases, they keep 0:00:23.960 --> 0:00:26.320 going up. Eventually we're going to get to this point. 0:00:26.400 --> 0:00:29.520 And here we are. The cyclospora outbreak is now a 0:00:29.560 --> 0:00:31.480 deadly one, and that was. 0:00:31.440 --> 0:00:36.199 Not what anyone had been anticipating or even warning of, 0:00:36.360 --> 0:00:40.800 at least in this case. And these are the first 0:00:40.840 --> 0:00:43.360 two the only I say only deaths. But when you 0:00:43.400 --> 0:00:47.000 look at the number of people who have been affected 0:00:47.159 --> 0:00:51.680 and infected with this parasite, perhaps it shouldn't be too shocking, 0:00:51.720 --> 0:00:55.800 but it is still alarming to hear. Oh my god, 0:00:55.920 --> 0:00:59.560 these are the first two deaths known to be caused 0:00:59.560 --> 0:01:00.480 by psych spora. 0:01:00.600 --> 0:01:03.520 And it's something they keep uh and it is true, Robes. 0:01:03.800 --> 0:01:07.120 This is well, they don't even say usually non fatal. 0:01:07.240 --> 0:01:10.479 It's not considered fatal because they don't. You can't even 0:01:10.520 --> 0:01:13.360 find a mortality rate necessarily because they just don't keep up. 0:01:13.360 --> 0:01:16.760 There aren't cyclospora deaths. But here we are robes. The 0:01:16.840 --> 0:01:19.280 numbers are all over the place in terms of the cases, 0:01:19.319 --> 0:01:21.040 and we'll get into that, but it was important to 0:01:21.040 --> 0:01:23.920 get on ropes because people see the headlines now that 0:01:24.000 --> 0:01:26.600 were initially I mean, frankly, you can say a lot 0:01:26.600 --> 0:01:29.000 of people having fun with it, this idea of explosive 0:01:29.080 --> 0:01:33.200 diarrhea and tackle bell put all this together, ropes. Your 0:01:33.280 --> 0:01:36.280 dad used this line, he said, was it you're you 0:01:36.319 --> 0:01:38.240 won't You might feel like you want to die, but 0:01:38.319 --> 0:01:39.880 you're not going to correct which one. 0:01:40.240 --> 0:01:42.399 Yeah, it's something to that effect, basically, like you may 0:01:42.440 --> 0:01:44.440 want to die or you feel like you're gonna die, 0:01:44.600 --> 0:01:46.080 but you're probably not gonna. 0:01:45.920 --> 0:01:48.600 Yes, And that's the truth. And that's the case, and 0:01:48.640 --> 0:01:51.080 it has been the case overwhelmingly in all of these cases. 0:01:51.080 --> 0:01:53.680 We've seen thousands and thousands now the first two deaths, 0:01:53.680 --> 0:01:55.240 so we want to hop on and give them and 0:01:55.240 --> 0:01:58.400 put them in context, at least robes, because this will 0:01:58.440 --> 0:02:01.160 alarm people that wait a minute, I thought it was this, 0:02:01.240 --> 0:02:02.880 and you're telling me this thing could kill me now, 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:04.520 so you want to put it in context. And we 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:06.760 do need to start robes first of all, with where 0:02:07.120 --> 0:02:09.359 these two deaths are being recorded. 0:02:09.160 --> 0:02:12.640 In the state of Michigan where the I mean clearly 0:02:12.680 --> 0:02:17.240 it's the EPPI center of this outbreak where we have, yes, 0:02:18.360 --> 0:02:22.280 an alarming seven figure number of cases coming out of 0:02:22.280 --> 0:02:25.799 that state, and those numbers continue to increase. And look, 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:28.480 it is a little confusing because it does take it 0:02:28.520 --> 0:02:31.760 can take up to two weeks for symptoms to occur, 0:02:31.919 --> 0:02:35.320 so we don't know if we're past the worst of it, 0:02:35.600 --> 0:02:38.440 if we have a lull in it. It's tough to know, 0:02:38.639 --> 0:02:43.040 just given how far apart when you eat something that's 0:02:43.080 --> 0:02:46.200 contaminated with cyclist bora too, when you actually feel like 0:02:46.240 --> 0:02:48.120 you want to die and. 0:02:47.919 --> 0:02:51.760 Then robes, then the reporting there's a lag as well, 0:02:51.919 --> 0:02:54.880 So it's I don't robes. I'm not seeing anything that 0:02:54.960 --> 0:02:56.480 was a day or two last week where they thought 0:02:56.520 --> 0:02:59.560 they had peaked. I haven't seen anything consistently saying that 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:03.160 they're going down now under control now, I haven't seen it. 0:03:03.480 --> 0:03:05.160 I haven't seen that either yet. 0:03:05.240 --> 0:03:09.720 And in fact, the the alarming part, yes, alongside getting 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:12.800 news that two people have died, just that they don't 0:03:12.840 --> 0:03:17.560 necessarily know this source in the majority of these cases. 0:03:17.880 --> 0:03:21.440 So yes, every time we and any of us are 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:24.040 going to the grocery store or buying food or looking 0:03:24.080 --> 0:03:25.919 to see what we can eat. We want to pick 0:03:25.960 --> 0:03:28.560 the healthy option for our family, and oftentimes that is 0:03:28.680 --> 0:03:32.680 fresh produce. But right now, thinking about well, hell, they 0:03:32.720 --> 0:03:36.600 can't figure out where this parasite is coming from. We 0:03:36.680 --> 0:03:41.320 might know one source, but that only explains a fraction 0:03:41.560 --> 0:03:43.240 of the cases that have been reported. 0:03:43.920 --> 0:03:46.120 One source and the source. We keep talking about Taylor 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:50.040 Farms and their Mexican plant, but Robes, they came back 0:03:50.040 --> 0:03:52.960 and they confirmed that they haven't They don't have a 0:03:53.040 --> 0:03:57.800 positive lab test from that farm. Now there are other 0:03:57.920 --> 0:04:01.080 reasons and they can put together and have a great 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:03.640 degree of confidence that this is where it came from 0:04:03.680 --> 0:04:07.400 by tracing barrobes. That's still pretty stunning to think there 0:04:07.480 --> 0:04:11.760 has not been a definitive positive lab test to confirm 0:04:12.240 --> 0:04:17.160 any piece of food at any plant anywhere it's responsible. 0:04:17.520 --> 0:04:20.560 Yeah, I mean, look, we've been eating some romaine lettuce. 0:04:20.560 --> 0:04:24.159 I've been taking great care in cleaning it. I saw 0:04:24.360 --> 0:04:27.680 Annalise had bought some raspberries and I have eaten them 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:28.600 because I know they're on the. 0:04:28.560 --> 0:04:31.760 List of possible cyclosporas sources. So I washed the heck 0:04:31.800 --> 0:04:34.960 out of those. But as I'm eating them. I'm concerned. 0:04:36.080 --> 0:04:38.719 I'm worried about what I'm eating, but I also know 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:39.960 that's the food that's. 0:04:39.800 --> 0:04:43.400 Good for me as you're eating them. I'm concerned too, sweetheart. 0:04:44.560 --> 0:04:46.600 Yeah, you don't really do berries. 0:04:47.000 --> 0:04:49.880 No, I'm concerned. I don't want anybody in this house since. 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:53.120 Cilantrobes basil, like, we have been eating some things that 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:54.719 are on the potential list. 0:04:54.880 --> 0:04:56.760 And they do tell you just wash the hell out 0:04:56.760 --> 0:04:59.520 of anything you got right now, wash it really well, 0:04:59.640 --> 0:05:02.440 wash it better than you normally would cook the stuff 0:05:02.480 --> 0:05:04.960 if you can. But roges, that is the best guidance 0:05:05.040 --> 0:05:08.960 right now because they don't exactly know. You talk about 0:05:08.960 --> 0:05:12.080 slantro and parsley ands, what snow peas? 0:05:12.120 --> 0:05:12.280 Is it? 0:05:12.440 --> 0:05:14.040 Prasberries, basil? 0:05:14.520 --> 0:05:17.880 All that stuff potentially is where we greens. 0:05:17.960 --> 0:05:22.000 How about that leafy greens. That's a broad category and 0:05:22.040 --> 0:05:25.080 it's what we eat pretty much at every single meal. 0:05:24.960 --> 0:05:29.200 We do we actually do, so at this point the 0:05:29.240 --> 0:05:33.640 guidance is be aware and to wash. They claim rooms 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:35.720 at all the recalled lettuce that they believe is from 0:05:35.720 --> 0:05:38.680 Taylor Farms, and then Mexican plant is off the market. 0:05:38.960 --> 0:05:43.400 At this point, Taco Bell changed its menu and change 0:05:43.440 --> 0:05:46.240 things immediately, so they think the danger is off the 0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:50.240 shelves and not in restaurants right now. But they don't know. 0:05:50.480 --> 0:05:52.360 I was gonna say, how can they even think that? 0:05:52.440 --> 0:05:56.600 They know they've removed a potentially known source, but there 0:05:56.680 --> 0:05:59.800 is still potentially a lot of other sources, or at 0:05:59.839 --> 0:06:01.320 least one other source. 0:06:01.520 --> 0:06:03.520 Oh yeah, we haven't even mentioned. We'll mention in a 0:06:03.520 --> 0:06:06.480 second there is another cyclo spora outbreak that they're investigating 0:06:06.560 --> 0:06:08.920 right now. By the way, folks, there is a second 0:06:08.960 --> 0:06:11.240 one separate from the one we're talking about. We'll explain 0:06:11.240 --> 0:06:13.440 that in a secon. But Michigan, they've been giving update. 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:15.040 They've been good on it and been on top of it. 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:18.200 They give these updates every day of the week. And 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:20.680 their latest update we don't actually have one as of 0:06:20.680 --> 0:06:22.960 this recording for this Monday, but the one they put 0:06:23.000 --> 0:06:25.880 out yesterday Robes was the one that confirmed that, in fact, 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:27.000 we have seen two deaths. 0:06:27.040 --> 0:06:29.479 Now, that's right, so they put this announcement out. Two 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:33.640 deaths have been identified as part of the cyclosporus outbreak 0:06:33.839 --> 0:06:39.720 affecting Michigan. According to medical records, both individuals had significant 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:45.160 underlying health conditions that may have been impacted by cyclosporus 0:06:45.200 --> 0:06:50.200 and dehydration. The two Michigan cases became ill prior to 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:53.200 the voluntary recall of iceberg led us announced by the 0:06:53.320 --> 0:06:56.279 US Food and Drug Administration on July seventeenth. And then 0:06:56.320 --> 0:06:58.599 they went on to say that cyclist forus is generally 0:06:59.040 --> 0:07:02.520 not a life threatening illness. Death resulting from cyclist for 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:05.440 us is uncommon in the United States. And I told 0:07:05.440 --> 0:07:08.119 you in the New York Times they had a microbiologist 0:07:08.279 --> 0:07:15.760 saying this is unprecedented, a microbiologist who worked on outbreaks 0:07:15.800 --> 0:07:19.480 at the FDA from ninety seven to twenty eleven, so 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:23.800 that he was not aware of any other instance in 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:28.200 the United States where the CDC reported deaths linked to 0:07:28.280 --> 0:07:32.280 cyclist forus. That is significant. I haven't seen anywhere else 0:07:32.280 --> 0:07:34.800 anyone coming out with that strong of a language, but 0:07:35.240 --> 0:07:36.880 that stood out to me for sure. 0:07:37.000 --> 0:07:40.480 Well it stood out because I've been scouring the internet 0:07:40.640 --> 0:07:44.960 and health departments around the world trying to find some 0:07:45.200 --> 0:07:49.400 count of cyclospora deaths on an annual basis. They don't 0:07:49.440 --> 0:07:53.160 keep up ro because they don't exist, have it, because 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:55.840 we don't have We talked about Michigan. Here robes with 0:07:56.280 --> 0:07:59.520 sitting at eleven thousand plus cases. They get forty or 0:07:59.520 --> 0:08:03.040 fifty on average. So we're trying to put this in 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:07.440 some kind of context of just how a phenomenal of 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:10.120 a year and an outbreak that we're going through right now. 0:08:10.160 --> 0:08:12.960 If we were dealing with a more serious or life 0:08:13.080 --> 0:08:17.720 threatening illness, this would be in this Folks would be 0:08:17.800 --> 0:08:19.680 calling for people to be hauled in to jail. 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:21.480 You know, we'd be in a tail spin right now. 0:08:21.520 --> 0:08:24.600 We'd be in a full state of panic if these 0:08:24.720 --> 0:08:27.600 numbers existed for any other illness that had a higher 0:08:27.680 --> 0:08:28.520 fatality rate. 0:08:28.760 --> 0:08:30.520 But I'm curious we didn't get to know. 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:34.800 We haven't learned anything about these two deaths other than 0:08:34.880 --> 0:08:38.439 to be told that they had significant underlying health conditions. 0:08:38.440 --> 0:08:40.240 We don't know the age, we don't know the gender, 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:43.560 We don't know anything. The only thing we can deduce 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:46.360 is that when you've got when they say dehydration, and 0:08:46.440 --> 0:08:51.520 we obviously know that cyclospora causes explosive or extreme diarrhea, 0:08:51.920 --> 0:08:53.560 we know that that can be dangerous. 0:08:53.600 --> 0:08:55.200 Just as a parent, you know this. As a child, 0:08:55.320 --> 0:08:58.160 your main risk is dehydration. So yes, if you have 0:08:58.200 --> 0:09:00.120 a vulnerable group of folks. 0:08:59.840 --> 0:09:04.200 Like infants, older adults, anyone who's pregnant, anyone who has 0:09:04.200 --> 0:09:07.400 a weakened immune system who might be more susceptible to dehydration. 0:09:07.600 --> 0:09:09.920 But I feel like in this case, especially. 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:11.920 Just because there's such a big level of fear and 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:15.040 the unknown, I feel like it would just be so helpful. 0:09:15.080 --> 0:09:18.120 I understand they want to protect the privacy of patients 0:09:18.120 --> 0:09:20.440 and folks, but just to give us a little bit 0:09:20.440 --> 0:09:22.959 more information about who died would be appreciated. 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:26.199 Maybe they're getting the clearances to do such a thing, 0:09:26.240 --> 0:09:29.800 because you're right, and they get that, I'm sure as well, 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:32.240 but they have to give maybe the famili's permission or 0:09:32.240 --> 0:09:34.719 something else. But that would be helpful to understand, to. 0:09:34.800 --> 0:09:36.760 Know I would like to know what. 0:09:36.760 --> 0:09:38.600 Was going on with them very much, like to know 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:41.800 what the underlying conditions were and just the ages and 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:44.800 just I would like to know that specific so I 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:48.719 could just feel better about my choices. Our choices is 0:09:48.720 --> 0:09:52.120 a family, what we're eating, what we're providing that's scary. 0:09:52.280 --> 0:09:55.200 We might get those. Hopefully we get those answers, so 0:09:55.200 --> 0:09:56.920 we just remember that from COVID. I think a lot 0:09:56.920 --> 0:09:59.560 of people are familiar when we looked at who was dying, 0:09:59.640 --> 0:10:01.920 who was dying early on, and who was the concern 0:10:02.000 --> 0:10:04.719 early on were folks who were older and folks who 0:10:04.720 --> 0:10:07.240 were very young at the time. That was something else 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:08.680 what happened around COVID. 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:10.840 That was immunocompromise too as well. 0:10:11.840 --> 0:10:13.240 Okay, I'm not gonna be able coming it right now. 0:10:13.280 --> 0:10:16.280 I just had a moment. Wasn't there something about how 0:10:16.360 --> 0:10:19.440 young people were better at combating COVID and they wanted 0:10:19.480 --> 0:10:21.280 to keep them in school? Actually that was something. 0:10:21.360 --> 0:10:24.240 Yeah, the healthy immune system that yes, they could pop. 0:10:24.320 --> 0:10:27.280 They just had the ability to fight it off. They 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:29.800 had better natural immunity than older folks. I mean, look, 0:10:29.880 --> 0:10:33.640 all of the headlines out of COVID initially were older folks, 0:10:34.040 --> 0:10:38.000 senior citizen homes, senior care facilities. That was all the 0:10:38.080 --> 0:10:40.760 nursing homes. That was the big concern because that was 0:10:40.760 --> 0:10:42.160 the most vulnerable population. 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:45.200 What was the thing about healthy individuals? Sometimes you have 0:10:45.320 --> 0:10:48.320 such a good immune system that it over compensates it. 0:10:48.600 --> 0:10:49.640 Does that sound familiarly? Why? 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:50.920 What that you're referring to? 0:10:51.720 --> 0:10:55.400 From what I recalled the Great influenza at the beginning 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:58.160 the beginning of the century that killed so many people 0:10:58.240 --> 0:11:02.840 around the world. It eventually started to as as certain 0:11:03.440 --> 0:11:08.800 viruses start to what's the word not morph, but they mutate, 0:11:08.920 --> 0:11:13.719 thank you, they will eventually. The real concern is when 0:11:13.760 --> 0:11:15.960 it starts to hit the healthy population and your own 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:19.080 immune system is so robust that it overreacts to a 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:21.720 virus and it ends up killing the host. And that's 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:23.960 when you have a big concern when you start having 0:11:24.040 --> 0:11:28.120 influenza or viruses kill your strongest and healthiest, and that 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:31.360 has happened historically. It doesn't happen often, but when it does, 0:11:31.440 --> 0:11:32.920 that's a great concern. 0:11:33.040 --> 0:11:36.600 So that came to mind as you to your point, 0:11:37.080 --> 0:11:39.120 we need to know who these folks were exactly and 0:11:39.160 --> 0:11:42.600 what was going on with them. That would be very useful, 0:11:42.720 --> 0:11:45.040 very helpful information. And we talked about Michigan being the 0:11:45.080 --> 0:11:48.040 epicenter from the very beginning. Their case counts still going 0:11:48.080 --> 0:11:51.560 out there officially sitting in eleven and thirty four. We 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:55.560 don't have the out update, like I said, from today yet, 0:11:55.600 --> 0:11:57.080 but that was the latest and they have about two 0:11:57.160 --> 0:12:00.000 hundred hospitalizations there the messed up part ropes. We get 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:03.440 these numbers kind of coming out of Michigan. Michigan has 0:12:03.480 --> 0:12:06.520 eleven thousand cases. The CDC, which is keeping an eye 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:09.880 on things nationally, right, is barely reporting about half of that. 0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:12.480 Yeah, and that's just that's for the entire country. So 0:12:12.559 --> 0:12:15.640 obviously those numbers are wildly off. And again to point out, 0:12:15.840 --> 0:12:17.959 anyone who's been listening to us will say it again, 0:12:18.400 --> 0:12:21.080 whatever the numbers are, whatever the official numbers are, even 0:12:21.120 --> 0:12:24.199 from these state reports, go ahead and double that because 0:12:24.240 --> 0:12:28.000 most people, or at least a majority or a certain 0:12:28.400 --> 0:12:30.880 large chunk of these folks are not necessarily going to 0:12:30.920 --> 0:12:35.920 their doctors and being tested and having a confirmed illness diagnosed. 0:12:35.960 --> 0:12:38.679 They just take pepto bismol and suck it up at home. 0:12:39.080 --> 0:12:41.520 So that is the truth. These numbers are much greater 0:12:41.600 --> 0:12:42.480 than we're actually seeing. 0:12:43.200 --> 0:12:45.400 So yes, when you see that, it's going to be confusing. 0:12:45.440 --> 0:12:47.600 When you see the CDC telling you they only have 0:12:47.679 --> 0:12:50.560 sixty seven hundred confirmed cases and you go, wait a minute, 0:12:50.640 --> 0:12:54.520 Michigan's got eleven thousand. That's why the states do their reporting. 0:12:54.679 --> 0:12:56.520 Then they have to report it to the CDC that 0:12:56.559 --> 0:12:58.120 has to check it all out, and then they post 0:12:58.160 --> 0:13:01.280 it to their web. So the CDC is weeks. 0:13:00.960 --> 0:13:04.000 Which most people will point to that they're wildly understaffed 0:13:04.000 --> 0:13:07.160 on top of it all, so it's adding to the 0:13:07.280 --> 0:13:12.280 very confusing dissemination of actual numbers in terms of what 0:13:12.360 --> 0:13:13.400 we're dealing with and the. 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:13.800 Scope of it. 0:13:13.840 --> 0:13:16.160 But you looked at the scope of it, and this 0:13:16.400 --> 0:13:21.040 is significant, not to like, not to underplay what's happening 0:13:21.080 --> 0:13:24.200 because we've only had two deaths. It's significant that two 0:13:24.200 --> 0:13:28.520 people have died. But these numbers are astronomical. 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:29.640 There, and they believe that there are at least twenty 0:13:29.640 --> 0:13:33.560 two thousand confirmed and suspected cases in the country. Like 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:37.040 you say, like your dad says, like microbiologists say, double 0:13:37.120 --> 0:13:39.920 or triple that, and Robes this, we're knocking on the 0:13:39.960 --> 0:13:44.840 door of one of the largest food borne illness outbreaks. 0:13:45.840 --> 0:13:48.160 This is going to rank up there if we keep 0:13:48.200 --> 0:13:51.400 going along this pattern. But like I mentioned, it's not 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:54.480 the only one out there. The FDA officially lists all 0:13:54.520 --> 0:13:56.680 the outbreaks they're keeping an eye on from all kinds 0:13:56.720 --> 0:13:59.160 of illnesses. And there is a second one that was 0:13:59.160 --> 0:14:02.280 reported on July twenty second. It's up to ninety three cases. 0:14:02.320 --> 0:14:05.679 Now don't exactly know where it is. Robes they didn't specify, 0:14:06.120 --> 0:14:11.080 but they categorize it as an ongoing event and it 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:16.840 says product linked to illnesses quote not yet identified. 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:19.640 And maybe never will be. That's the thing about cyclospora. 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:23.840 They don't always figure out what the source was, and 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:26.080 that is what is so unnervouing. 0:14:27.080 --> 0:14:31.280 We always I mean, we're washing letters with Paul Molov 0:14:31.320 --> 0:14:35.680 in this mother right now. Nobody knows what to do. 0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:39.240 The worst states, though we talked about Michigan, Ohio, Robes 0:14:39.320 --> 0:14:41.640 is really really ticking up. They got four thousand plus 0:14:41.640 --> 0:14:44.840 cases in Ohio right now here in New York we're 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:47.480 still under a thousand cases officially. Some of these are 0:14:47.520 --> 0:14:50.040 a few days behind in reporting. Seven hundred and fifty 0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:52.040 three cases in New York now there's seven hundred so 0:14:52.320 --> 0:14:55.080 in North Carolina and Illinois has five hundred cases as well. 0:14:55.280 --> 0:14:58.520 But Robes, all this is behind, and where's the reporting 0:14:58.760 --> 0:15:01.760 and what are the updates? And who ate something a 0:15:01.800 --> 0:15:03.640 couple of weeks ago that just is about to get 0:15:03.680 --> 0:15:06.320 sick tomorrow. And we're up to. 0:15:06.240 --> 0:15:09.080 Forty five states right now? Correct? Who are reporting an uptick? 0:15:09.280 --> 0:15:10.960 Let's make it fifty? 0:15:10.960 --> 0:15:11.960 Why do we keep doing this? 0:15:12.040 --> 0:15:15.680 Maybe Alaska and Hawaii have survived just because of their logistics. 0:15:15.720 --> 0:15:17.120 I don't know the truth. 0:15:17.240 --> 0:15:19.840 They tell us forty five states, but the CDC is 0:15:19.880 --> 0:15:23.680 still telling us it's confirmed in nine what that's the 0:15:23.880 --> 0:15:26.320 It's everywhere, folks, if you live in the US, if 0:15:26.320 --> 0:15:28.800 you see a piece of lettice, just assume it's a suspect. 0:15:29.160 --> 0:15:32.720 Just to assume it's a suspect. But this had us thinking. 0:15:32.760 --> 0:15:35.920 That's got us looking to the other outbreaks, other major 0:15:36.080 --> 0:15:40.200 food born outbreaks in the country. This one ain't even 0:15:40.240 --> 0:15:43.440 close to being one of the deadliest, but the numbers 0:15:43.480 --> 0:15:48.080 are trickling up robes and it could challenge as far 0:15:48.120 --> 0:15:51.680 as the number of sick. This could become one of 0:15:51.720 --> 0:15:54.640 the biggest outbreaks we have seen in US history. 0:16:03.880 --> 0:16:06.440 Welcome back everyone to Amy and TJ, where yes, we 0:16:06.520 --> 0:16:09.320 are getting word that there are now two people who 0:16:09.320 --> 0:16:14.160 have officially died from this latest outbreak of cyclospora, an 0:16:14.160 --> 0:16:19.600 outbreak we were told is not typically deadly, and we 0:16:19.600 --> 0:16:23.840 were struggling to find any other report officially linking anyone 0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:27.760 to dying from cyclospora. And so that in and of 0:16:27.840 --> 0:16:33.560 itself is significant, but also the numbers they are in 0:16:33.640 --> 0:16:36.520 terms of perspective, in terms of looking at other outbreaks 0:16:36.600 --> 0:16:39.640 in this country's history, this is going to go down 0:16:39.800 --> 0:16:40.600 in history. 0:16:41.240 --> 0:16:44.240 In romes. We see some of the numbers and I compare, 0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:47.320 and once I started looking, nineteen eighty five nineteen ninety four, 0:16:47.360 --> 0:16:52.200 there were two outbreaks. One was milk salmonella in milk ropes. 0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:54.080 I believe there was out of a plant in Illinois, 0:16:54.640 --> 0:16:57.360 but two hundred thousand people got sick d two hundred 0:16:57.360 --> 0:17:00.480 thousand and there were twelve deaths involved. Pot that in 0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:04.280 some kind of context we're not there, certainly not that 0:17:04.440 --> 0:17:07.680 type of deadly, but also salmonella robes. 0:17:07.400 --> 0:17:09.960 Which can be deadly. Absolutely that one. 0:17:09.840 --> 0:17:12.639 Has a different type of risk. So that when we 0:17:12.800 --> 0:17:14.880 be taking a different type of serious salmonella as well. 0:17:14.880 --> 0:17:17.000 In nineteen ninety four robes ice cream, two hundred and 0:17:17.000 --> 0:17:18.240 twenty four thousand people got sick. 0:17:18.359 --> 0:17:18.919 That's scary. 0:17:18.960 --> 0:17:21.360 And I'm looking at both of the nineteen eighty five 0:17:21.520 --> 0:17:25.640 nineteen ninety four, before the Internet, before social media, before 0:17:26.240 --> 0:17:28.920 folks were able to communicate in the way we can now, 0:17:28.960 --> 0:17:31.320 where we can get the information out quickly to a 0:17:31.359 --> 0:17:33.520 lot of people. No matter where you live, no matter 0:17:33.560 --> 0:17:35.679 how remote, you're going to hear the news, you're going 0:17:35.720 --> 0:17:37.159 to see it all over your phone, and you're going 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:39.199 to know what to look out for. I have to 0:17:39.240 --> 0:17:42.359 think that has to help in terms of people avoiding 0:17:42.720 --> 0:17:45.920 certain foods, or at least learning what to do if 0:17:45.960 --> 0:17:48.400 you have or you want to consume fresh produce. 0:17:48.480 --> 0:17:52.199 Seeing the other that makes sense. My head went to 0:17:52.280 --> 0:17:56.960 looking at eighty five and ninety four, is that those 0:17:57.040 --> 0:17:59.200 numbers might have been doubled. We didn't have the same 0:17:59.200 --> 0:18:03.480 ability to commute to send information from Washington State down 0:18:03.560 --> 0:18:06.399 to Florida to informed, right, they couldn't communicate like that. 0:18:06.440 --> 0:18:10.159 I wonder how much went unreported ropes in these cases. 0:18:10.200 --> 0:18:12.800 So that's a very good point. We remember the Boors 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:15.440 had lsteria outbreaking. I remember talking to your dad extensively 0:18:15.440 --> 0:18:16.760 about this. He wasn't he was. 0:18:17.119 --> 0:18:19.520 We did because and when you're talking salmonella and then 0:18:19.520 --> 0:18:24.080 this one was lysteria. Those are known bacteria that absolutely 0:18:24.359 --> 0:18:27.160 can lead to death and have led to death. So, yes, 0:18:27.200 --> 0:18:30.800 the Bores had listeria outbreak ten deaths in nineteen states, 0:18:31.040 --> 0:18:32.280 and that was horrific. 0:18:32.400 --> 0:18:34.560 I didn't put the number of sick in that. It 0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:37.720 wasn't that many, like it was like a thousand sick 0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:39.840 and then ten deaths. I think it might have been 0:18:39.920 --> 0:18:40.760 under one hundred sick. 0:18:41.200 --> 0:18:43.360 Yeah, and that's the reason why you learn when you're pregnant, 0:18:43.440 --> 0:18:46.040 Do not eat lunch meat, do not eat anything that 0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:50.879 could potentially have listeria, which is a naturally born bacteria. 0:18:51.280 --> 0:18:53.360 So yeah, you learn when you're pregnant what U ken 0:18:53.359 --> 0:18:55.600 of can I eat because that can be deadly. Pregnant 0:18:55.640 --> 0:18:59.200 women and unborn children are at great risk for that 0:19:00.359 --> 0:19:01.120 of outbreak. 0:19:01.160 --> 0:19:04.160 I had another listeria outbreak in twenty eleven, thirty three 0:19:04.280 --> 0:19:06.760 dead and ten states. Has had to do with a company, 0:19:06.840 --> 0:19:10.760 Jensen Farms. These were contaminated cantalopes. Wow, of all things. 0:19:10.760 --> 0:19:12.960 That was a company also that produced peanut butter and 0:19:13.000 --> 0:19:16.680 peanut butter paste. Responds before salmonella outbreak in two thousand 0:19:16.720 --> 0:19:18.760 and eight two thousand and nine, seven hundred people got 0:19:18.800 --> 0:19:21.960 sick in forty six states and robes nine died in 0:19:22.000 --> 0:19:24.760 that one. I don't remember the Jack in the box 0:19:24.800 --> 0:19:27.280 E Coli outbreaking ninety three. Oh wow, I was. 0:19:27.400 --> 0:19:28.879 But I know this because I was. 0:19:29.040 --> 0:19:31.440 I'm the daughter of a microbiologist who is in charge 0:19:31.480 --> 0:19:35.720 of food safety and E Coli, listeria, and salmonella. I 0:19:35.800 --> 0:19:38.639 heard all about growing up because my dad was literally 0:19:38.720 --> 0:19:43.120 in charge of food safety at several different companies. So yes, 0:19:43.160 --> 0:19:45.639 he was dealing with a lot of these outbreaks. So 0:19:45.720 --> 0:19:49.560 this was this was dinner room topic of conversation. Like 0:19:49.560 --> 0:19:52.639 when we're sitting around the table at dinner, literally we 0:19:52.640 --> 0:19:54.760 would be talking about this kind of stuff. 0:19:54.960 --> 0:19:57.320 I'm laughing. I'm like, wow, what a childhood. And now 0:19:57.320 --> 0:20:00.399 I think every single time I'm around your day and 0:20:00.440 --> 0:20:02.119 we have a meal, we're talking about it. 0:20:02.280 --> 0:20:04.880 Yes, because when you got somebody, it's no surprise. 0:20:04.960 --> 0:20:07.280 My brother grew up to become a doctor trying to 0:20:07.280 --> 0:20:09.439 fix all the problems that. 0:20:09.320 --> 0:20:12.320 My dad was talking about around the dinner table. 0:20:12.440 --> 0:20:13.959 And you decided to go report about all. 0:20:14.080 --> 0:20:16.720 Yes, exactly. It's amazing what that led to. 0:20:17.040 --> 0:20:18.840 But that one was big. You remember that one. This 0:20:18.880 --> 0:20:21.920 had to do with undercooked patties robes e Coli. Seven 0:20:22.000 --> 0:20:26.600 hundred people got sick, four kids died in this one. Robes. 0:20:26.640 --> 0:20:31.600