WEBVTT - Episode 9: Tyrrell Hatton 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:01.240 The guys from paying. 0:00:01.320 --> 0:00:03.920 They've kind of showed me how much the equipment matters. 0:00:04.160 --> 0:00:06.000 I just love that I can hit any shot I 0:00:06.080 --> 0:00:06.600 kind of want. 0:00:06.720 --> 0:00:08.520 We're gonna be able to tell some fun stories about 0:00:08.520 --> 0:00:10.640 what goes on here to help golfers play better golf. 0:00:11.320 --> 0:00:14.120 Welcome back to the Ping Proovy Grounds podcast. I'm Shane Baker, 0:00:14.160 --> 0:00:16.840 that's Marty Jerks, and we have Tyrol hatton with us. 0:00:17.320 --> 0:00:21.240 I've been really excited about this. I find you very interesting, 0:00:21.680 --> 0:00:23.760 very fascinating, and I always say you're my favorite golfer 0:00:23.800 --> 0:00:26.480 to watch play golf. So I want to start with this. 0:00:27.120 --> 0:00:30.200 If you were commentating on golf, what do you think 0:00:30.200 --> 0:00:32.520 you'd say about yourself on the golf course? 0:00:33.760 --> 0:00:36.040 Probably just along the lines of he doesn't look very happy. 0:00:36.840 --> 0:00:38.320 I think just keep it very simple. 0:00:39.040 --> 0:00:40.280 Are you happy when you play? 0:00:41.000 --> 0:00:41.720 Not very often? 0:00:41.800 --> 0:00:43.559 No, even when you're playing well. 0:00:45.000 --> 0:00:47.680 I'm pretty good at still finding something to moan about. 0:00:47.960 --> 0:00:52.000 So, but you, but you seem like a happy person, 0:00:52.200 --> 0:00:54.400 Like you're you're a lovely person. I mean, I've got 0:00:54.440 --> 0:00:55.840 a chance to interact with you a few times. But 0:00:56.080 --> 0:00:58.680 you're not a grumpy guy. You're not a mean guy. 0:00:59.160 --> 0:01:01.560 You're like a nice sky So why is it that 0:01:01.600 --> 0:01:03.760 when you're on the golf course it seems or feels 0:01:03.800 --> 0:01:04.360 like you're a bit. 0:01:04.280 --> 0:01:14.199 Grumpy, I don't know, being ultra competitive and I guess 0:01:14.200 --> 0:01:17.840 a perfectionist and one in and yeah, and everyone hit 0:01:17.880 --> 0:01:21.720 a bad shot, and there's certain times in tournaments where 0:01:21.760 --> 0:01:23.520 it's it's more frustrating than others. 0:01:24.160 --> 0:01:26.319 Were you, like tho, as a junior golfer or grown up? 0:01:26.720 --> 0:01:27.000 Yeah? 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:29.000 Is this kind of a bold no? 0:01:29.000 --> 0:01:35.880 No, no, as I'm potentially calmer now, which is probably 0:01:36.319 --> 0:01:42.440 scary to hear that. Yeah, I had a few dodgy 0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:46.000 moments in my teens on the golf course and at tournaments, 0:01:46.000 --> 0:01:48.200 but we probably shouldn't go down that route. 0:01:48.480 --> 0:01:51.040 If you I mean, like you said, you're working on it, 0:01:51.080 --> 0:01:52.600 trying to improve. You're better than you were when you 0:01:52.600 --> 0:01:54.760 were a kid. Is that something that you actually spend 0:01:54.800 --> 0:01:56.880 time trying to get better at in terms of the 0:01:56.880 --> 0:01:58.680 way you feel on the golf course? 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:04.640 Ah? No, I mean I think there's as I said, 0:02:04.640 --> 0:02:06.640 there's times in a tournament where I can kind of 0:02:06.680 --> 0:02:11.400 deal with it better than maybe other times. Yeah. And 0:02:11.440 --> 0:02:14.600 then sometimes you know, we're all human and have a 0:02:14.639 --> 0:02:17.480 really bad night sleep and you're naturally, just a bit 0:02:17.520 --> 0:02:21.120 more grumpy that day than you typically would be. Some 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:26.640 other thing. Certain things bother you more than they should. So, yeah, 0:02:26.800 --> 0:02:29.040 my everyone has bad days. 0:02:29.040 --> 0:02:31.639 I guess tyroll your your game like I'm looking. I mean, 0:02:32.480 --> 0:02:33.639 like I know we talk. I mean, I know a 0:02:33.680 --> 0:02:35.160 lot of people talk to you about the way you 0:02:35.400 --> 0:02:37.800 act or look like on the golf course. The golf 0:02:37.840 --> 0:02:41.760 game has been spectacular, and I mean you've had fifteen 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:44.760 starts on the PGA Tour this year, fourteen cuts, me 0:02:44.960 --> 0:02:47.519 ten top twenty five's, six top tens, you've had a 0:02:47.600 --> 0:02:49.959 runner up. I mean, it's polished right now. Where do 0:02:49.960 --> 0:02:51.480 you feel like you are right now with your golf game? 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:54.800 Yeah, it's been a it's been a good run this year. 0:02:56.520 --> 0:02:59.160 This year, I've tried to make more of an effort 0:02:59.160 --> 0:03:02.480 off the golf course with just like training in the 0:03:02.520 --> 0:03:08.040 gym and yeah, trying to certainly in a tournament week, 0:03:08.120 --> 0:03:11.520 be a little bit better with what I eat and drink. 0:03:13.360 --> 0:03:16.560 I think in twenty twenty, which was my best best 0:03:16.639 --> 0:03:21.360 year on the FedEx, I know there was limited events 0:03:21.440 --> 0:03:25.240 with everything that went on, but that was probably the 0:03:25.240 --> 0:03:28.560 fittest I'd ever been in my life. I was training 0:03:28.600 --> 0:03:36.600 a lot, and sort of midway through twenty twenty one, 0:03:37.800 --> 0:03:40.200 early twenty one that kind of really tailed off and 0:03:40.240 --> 0:03:45.960 I'd sort of slipped back into not training and yeah, 0:03:46.240 --> 0:03:50.280 just things like that. And so this year just made 0:03:50.440 --> 0:03:52.760 a conscious effort to try and be better off the 0:03:52.800 --> 0:03:59.280 golf course. And yes, I feel fitter, and I think 0:03:59.320 --> 0:04:07.360 that's definitely how my golf game. I still I still 0:04:07.440 --> 0:04:11.000 enjoy myself in terms of like, I'm not super strict 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:14.960 in the sense of I'm not gonna I If I 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:17.880 want something to eat type thing or certain drink, then 0:04:17.880 --> 0:04:21.000 I probably will, but I'll make sure that I've I've 0:04:21.040 --> 0:04:24.480 earned it rather than just doing it for this because 0:04:24.520 --> 0:04:28.320 you can. So yeah, I think that's been a that's 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:30.760 played a huge part in how I've played this year. 0:04:31.800 --> 0:04:35.360 So you talked about twenty twenty being very high up 0:04:35.360 --> 0:04:37.839 on the FedEx. How much do you am always curious 0:04:37.839 --> 0:04:40.480 about this? How much do you look at your stats? 0:04:40.760 --> 0:04:43.960 You know, are you just looking at finishes FedEx points 0:04:44.000 --> 0:04:48.440 or are you getting down into strokes gain stats different you know, 0:04:48.920 --> 0:04:51.080 better or worse in certain areas and using that to 0:04:51.200 --> 0:04:53.120 improve your game, or a little more just kind of 0:04:53.120 --> 0:04:55.839 going off your feel of what's what's happening. 0:04:56.080 --> 0:05:00.200 Yeah, it would probably be more feel I'd always be 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:04.080 curious at the end of a around or end of 0:05:04.080 --> 0:05:06.480 the tournament to see how I stacked up against the field. 0:05:08.279 --> 0:05:11.760 It's funny because I always feel like my I don't 0:05:11.800 --> 0:05:14.599 have a bad short game, but then I'm a pretty 0:05:14.600 --> 0:05:18.440 aggressive player and I will miss it in some pretty 0:05:18.440 --> 0:05:20.800 horrible spots. Yeah, So even though I feel like I've 0:05:20.800 --> 0:05:23.599 got a decent short game, like my short game stats 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:26.400 would be horrendous. Ah, yeah, because it's been like, oh, 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:29.440 you're eight yards away, which is pretty close, but you've 0:05:29.480 --> 0:05:31.680 chipped it to twenty feet, which actually. 0:05:31.520 --> 0:05:33.440 Was caused by the ball. It was kind of caused 0:05:33.440 --> 0:05:34.120 by the ball striking. 0:05:34.279 --> 0:05:36.560 You hit in the wrong spot, right, Yeah, But essentially 0:05:36.600 --> 0:05:39.200 I'm only eight yards away from the pin, so I'm 0:05:39.240 --> 0:05:41.080 not that far out. I've just missed it in a 0:05:41.120 --> 0:05:43.560 horrible spot. So now I can't actually chip it that close. 0:05:43.960 --> 0:05:46.160 Then I fit a really good chip shop it's still 0:05:46.160 --> 0:05:48.480 twenty feet. So then I feel like sometimes stats can 0:05:48.520 --> 0:05:52.520 be a bit more punishing and how than how you 0:05:52.560 --> 0:05:53.200 truly feel. 0:05:53.880 --> 0:05:57.880 Yeah, you're iron player. Iron stout's a bit phenomenal. Do 0:05:57.960 --> 0:06:00.599 you would you consider yourself a little bit more aggressive 0:06:00.640 --> 0:06:03.080 than the than the average player in that regard. 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:07.440 Yeah, I would say so. I think certainly when you're 0:06:08.760 --> 0:06:11.360 you feel you feel confident, that that's the time when 0:06:11.360 --> 0:06:15.919 you should be sort of maybe more aggressive. Naturally, we 0:06:15.960 --> 0:06:18.520 all go through times where you don't feel as comfortable 0:06:18.560 --> 0:06:24.800 and you might be ham or conservative. But yeah, I mean, 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:28.960 so far this year, we've we've we've played nicely, and 0:06:29.560 --> 0:06:31.560 I think there's there's certain times on a golf course 0:06:31.560 --> 0:06:34.039 where you have to try and take advantage of where 0:06:34.040 --> 0:06:36.120 you've positioned positioned yourself off the tea. 0:06:36.720 --> 0:06:40.800 What about left pins? Right pins? Any more comfort? Do 0:06:41.320 --> 0:06:41.839 shape them? In? 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:42.039 There? 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:44.200 Do you play one shot shape? Do you prefer left 0:06:44.279 --> 0:06:46.360 or right? No one over the other. 0:06:46.560 --> 0:06:48.760 I never, I never think about shaping the golf ball. 0:06:49.080 --> 0:06:51.080 If I if I do think about shaping it generally 0:06:51.160 --> 0:06:55.960 goes horribly wrong. To be honest, I I've always just 0:06:56.000 --> 0:06:58.200 picked a point and just hit it at that with 0:06:58.360 --> 0:07:03.920 with irons, which is generally the pin, and then with 0:07:04.160 --> 0:07:08.960 drivers with the driver, I've always had a shot shape 0:07:09.040 --> 0:07:12.559 naturally falling left to right, and so I just again 0:07:12.640 --> 0:07:16.360 I am a hair left of target, and I always 0:07:16.400 --> 0:07:18.160 try and score a goal I'll try and pick two 0:07:18.200 --> 0:07:22.480 points and yeah, and kind of see how many see 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:24.840 how many goals we can score in around. I always 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:27.240 found that that was quite a nice visual for me, 0:07:28.080 --> 0:07:31.200 certainly times when you play if a fair ways like 0:07:31.280 --> 0:07:34.040 quite wide, and you know, you just need to sort 0:07:34.040 --> 0:07:36.840 of narrow in a bit better. I think choosing a 0:07:36.880 --> 0:07:40.960 small goal is always a good thing. I always liked 0:07:40.960 --> 0:07:44.720 the quote from American Sniper always says aim small miss small. 0:07:45.160 --> 0:07:47.720 Yeah, what's the goal look like in your brain? Is 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:48.560 it a soccer goal? 0:07:51.000 --> 0:07:53.720 Not so much. It would just be for example, like 0:07:54.120 --> 0:07:58.640 two trees they might be five yards eight ten yards apart, 0:07:58.880 --> 0:08:01.480 but that they're like posts, right, And I just need 0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:02.960 to and that's my visual. 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:05.760 Interesting, Yeah, I mean I remember I was. I was 0:08:05.800 --> 0:08:07.240 talking to Paul easing Or he told me when he 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:09.880 won the PGA Championship. He saw he was hitting at 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:12.960 a barn the week before the PGA and he said 0:08:12.960 --> 0:08:14.080 he would start it on the left side of the 0:08:14.080 --> 0:08:15.640 barn and it would in on the right. He said, 0:08:15.640 --> 0:08:17.600 the whole week he just kept seeing that barn, you know, 0:08:17.960 --> 0:08:20.040 and sort of think about the goal in your brain, 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:22.840 you know, to hit the goal. It simplifies the game 0:08:22.880 --> 0:08:24.680 for you. I mean, you're not thinking about cutting or 0:08:24.720 --> 0:08:26.840 hooking the golf ball. It's just simply if I can 0:08:26.920 --> 0:08:28.720 hit it in the goal, I'm gonna win. 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:33.880 Yeah, I mean in theory. Yeah. And if you are 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:37.200 hitting your goal, certainly off the tee, then it gives 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:38.920 you confidence when you stand on the next one. 0:08:39.320 --> 0:08:41.160 It is nice. Said the proving grounds. We have the 0:08:41.200 --> 0:08:44.280 posts on the fence in the back. They're exactly twenty 0:08:44.360 --> 0:08:47.439 yards wide, which is you're playing a major, I mean 0:08:47.520 --> 0:08:49.720 twenty yards. If you can hit a twenty yard wide fairway, 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:54.920 unless you're doing really, unless you're wing for sure, you'd 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:55.520 be good to go. 0:08:56.040 --> 0:08:58.880 We maybe we shouldn't go talking about wing foot. 0:08:59.520 --> 0:09:05.280 You're we'll get to golf courses. I was. I was 0:09:05.320 --> 0:09:07.160 asking some of the guys around the truck, and they 0:09:07.160 --> 0:09:09.920 said that you pay the most attention to your equipment 0:09:09.960 --> 0:09:12.840 of anybody in terms of a ping professional. Will you 0:09:12.880 --> 0:09:15.120 come in here and kind of watch them build your 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:17.840 clubs or what are you the most focused on in 0:09:17.920 --> 0:09:20.480 terms of builds when you get something new made or 0:09:20.480 --> 0:09:21.319 something new Bill. 0:09:22.280 --> 0:09:26.520 It probably stems from my dad. So my dad runs 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:30.520 a business back home, custom club fitting and teaching, so 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:34.360 he's he's been doing that since I was I think 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:38.480 ten maybe eleven years old. So yeah, growing up watching 0:09:38.600 --> 0:09:44.360 him always build clubs. Yeah, so naturally kind of Yeah, 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:46.719 be in the truck and see see how things. 0:09:46.760 --> 0:09:49.280 He's easy to hover. Do you have a spot in 0:09:49.280 --> 0:09:50.480 your house that you can build? 0:09:50.760 --> 0:09:54.400 No, I wouldn't build. I would quite appy someone else. 0:09:55.200 --> 0:09:57.480 I got you, I got you. You've been a big 0:09:57.480 --> 0:09:59.719 seven wood guy as well. I'm hearing seven wind of 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:00.360 the bag this week. 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:05.760 Yes, I think I've used seven woods since it's almost 0:10:05.840 --> 0:10:07.120 near the start of twenty seventeen. 0:10:07.240 --> 0:10:09.640 Really, yeah, you're like an og seven would guy. 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:13.040 Yeah, well I copied FITSI I think in that sense 0:10:13.080 --> 0:10:16.319 he's been using it longer than me. But yeah, I 0:10:16.960 --> 0:10:21.560 generally struggled with rescues like naturally, my my mishits would 0:10:21.559 --> 0:10:25.440 be slightly more towards the toe and so early on, 0:10:25.520 --> 0:10:31.160 I just and going back earlier, like my natural shop shape. 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:33.520 Certainly with the driver and woods would be sort of 0:10:33.600 --> 0:10:36.440 falling right. So with the toe strike with the rescue, 0:10:36.480 --> 0:10:38.600 I'd always see it going a little bit left and 0:10:38.640 --> 0:10:44.439 that that's never a comfortable visual for me. And so yeah, 0:10:44.480 --> 0:10:47.400 I tried the seven word. It's it's quite short. It's 0:10:47.760 --> 0:10:50.600 it's only maybe an inch and a half longer than 0:10:50.600 --> 0:10:55.959 my fore iron. So for a wood that feels really short, 0:10:56.080 --> 0:10:59.520 but it feels like it'd be really easy to hit. 0:11:00.320 --> 0:11:03.400 And yeah, with the loft, it's still it still goes 0:11:03.400 --> 0:11:03.960 through the rough. 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:07.280 Yeah. Well, I think the length on yours is forty 0:11:07.320 --> 0:11:09.760 and a half for forty in a quarter, so it's 0:11:09.920 --> 0:11:12.240 it's an inch. It's over an inch shorter than like 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:15.959 a standard seven wood. I think that's a theme we're 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:18.560 seeing Shane with the with Turtle and some of the 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:22.199 players is high lofted fairy woods. They're a little bit shorter, 0:11:22.360 --> 0:11:24.560 they can manage the gap and then they don't go 0:11:24.640 --> 0:11:25.319 too far for you. 0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:30.240 Yeah, right, exactly. So it always it's always fitted in 0:11:30.320 --> 0:11:34.360 nicely between the four iron and the three wood. It 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:37.720 generally carries around two hundred and thirty five, sometimes to forty, 0:11:37.920 --> 0:11:40.880 so it's that's yeah, that's a nice number for me. 0:11:41.040 --> 0:11:43.800 Yeah, Tyrell, when did you go beard? When did you 0:11:43.840 --> 0:11:45.600 decide I'm going to be a beard guy? Because I 0:11:45.600 --> 0:11:47.960 feel like I don't really remember you beardless. 0:11:48.679 --> 0:11:51.240 Yeah, it hides the double chin. Okay, Yeah, so that 0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:53.400 was a big part of the Scars the decision making. 0:11:54.280 --> 0:11:56.360 I don't know. I mean, yeah, I don't think i'd 0:11:56.360 --> 0:11:57.080 see a double. 0:11:56.880 --> 0:12:02.000 Chin right now with sharp yeah stuff. I think it 0:12:02.040 --> 0:12:06.160 was after the Ryder Cup in twenty eighteen. I was 0:12:06.320 --> 0:12:07.920 I'm just not going to shave for the rest of 0:12:07.920 --> 0:12:12.559 the year, which Emily, my out wife, she was probably 0:12:12.760 --> 0:12:15.640 not enjoying that visual come Christmas. But we had some 0:12:15.679 --> 0:12:19.439 fun with it. It was We've got some white beard 0:12:19.480 --> 0:12:22.560 spray and we put some Christmas ball. So, yeah, it 0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:23.000 was a good. Look. 0:12:23.000 --> 0:12:25.040 You have a photo of this, I do, Okay, I 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:26.640 might have to see that at some point. It look 0:12:26.720 --> 0:12:29.040 good when so you so you're telling me you haven't 0:12:29.080 --> 0:12:31.720 been clean shaved since eighteen? Have you have you you 0:12:31.720 --> 0:12:33.800 hadn't ripped it all the way down like no, I 0:12:33.840 --> 0:12:36.000 mean us open green level or anything like that. 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:41.400 No, I yeah, I prefer it longer. Yeah, I just 0:12:41.640 --> 0:12:42.880 feel like it. It looks better. 0:12:43.280 --> 0:12:45.360 I mean, I think I think you're you're a beard 0:12:45.400 --> 0:12:46.600 guy for life. Potentially. 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:49.679 I just wish I had a stronger tash. Tash is 0:12:49.720 --> 0:12:50.360 pretty weak. 0:12:50.720 --> 0:12:52.920 You're saying you this can't grow. The DEPI up here 0:12:52.920 --> 0:12:53.439 is a little low. 0:12:53.679 --> 0:12:55.600 Yeah, gets windy. 0:12:55.600 --> 0:13:00.920 Outside of my blowoff, Tyl you're you're if you continue 0:13:00.960 --> 0:13:04.800 to improve year over year is quite impressive. What what 0:13:04.880 --> 0:13:06.959 do you think the key to that is? Like, you know, 0:13:06.960 --> 0:13:10.400 over the last six, seven, eight years, every year it 0:13:10.400 --> 0:13:14.280 seems like your strokes, gin, your finishes, your world rankings 0:13:14.320 --> 0:13:18.040 continue to improve. What is uh, what's kind of the 0:13:18.320 --> 0:13:21.240 key ingredient to that improvement? 0:13:24.160 --> 0:13:28.199 I don't know. I mean I feel like being out 0:13:28.200 --> 0:13:33.839 here long enough now that you you get comfortable and 0:13:33.880 --> 0:13:38.560 you having good results, it gives you confidence in yourself 0:13:39.200 --> 0:13:43.280 that you know that you can on your good weeks 0:13:43.280 --> 0:13:45.920 that you're you're going to be up there and giving 0:13:45.960 --> 0:13:49.600 yourself a chance to win. So I think just having 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:54.360 that experience and yeah, just feeling comfortable with where I'm 0:13:54.400 --> 0:13:58.800 at and I said, now I know that I'm doing 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:03.120 the right things off the golf course and that goes 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:03.600 a long way. 0:14:03.880 --> 0:14:06.200 Yeah, you're winning Bae Hill. I mean it was so 0:14:06.320 --> 0:14:08.400 tough that week. I mean that golf course obviously always 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:11.600 plays very, very tough. Do you prefer a golf course 0:14:11.640 --> 0:14:14.800 to play really hard then to play easy? In twenty 0:14:14.880 --> 0:14:17.000 twenty two Underwents. 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:21.720 Ah, I think it's nice to have the balance throughout 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:26.960 the year. Yeah, bay Hill always is carnage at the weekend, 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:28.440 just trying to hold on. 0:14:28.640 --> 0:14:31.200 Just hitting four or five irons all day everywhere. 0:14:31.400 --> 0:14:35.320 Yeah, but it's not even that like the holes, even 0:14:35.360 --> 0:14:39.000 when you're hitting wedge or like to even eight iron 0:14:38.800 --> 0:14:43.960 and lower, like, it's just they're still so hard to 0:14:43.960 --> 0:14:48.280 get the ball close and it's so easy to miss greens. 0:14:50.960 --> 0:14:52.840 So yeah, like I said, it's nice to have the balance, 0:14:54.640 --> 0:14:56.240 but as long as the golf course is set up 0:14:56.560 --> 0:15:00.920 kind of fair, then then it's all good. 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:03.240 Can you give us an example of, like, when you 0:15:03.280 --> 0:15:05.920 think about a fair course set up in your brain, 0:15:06.120 --> 0:15:08.880 what tournament or golf course comes to mind? 0:15:13.280 --> 0:15:16.200 I don't know. I guess in my mind I would 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:21.200 always I'd always like the with par fives that if 0:15:21.240 --> 0:15:25.800 you've if it's a narrow fairway, if you hit the fairway, 0:15:26.000 --> 0:15:27.960 then you should be rewarded with being able to go 0:15:28.000 --> 0:15:33.280 for the green. Okay, Like there's no point in I 0:15:33.920 --> 0:15:39.280 always I don't really enjoy part fives where even if 0:15:39.320 --> 0:15:44.560 you hit the fairway, you're you're laying up. They're just boring, right, yeah. 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:46.320 Because then it almost feels like you're playing a part 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:47.760 of three because you're kind of all laying up to 0:15:47.800 --> 0:15:50.240 the same spot. Yeah, and you're in theory you're hitting 0:15:50.240 --> 0:15:51.360 the third shop in the fairway. 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:51.880 Yeah. 0:15:51.960 --> 0:15:54.520 I mean the only thing you do is if you 0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:57.480 do it the fairway, you're making your lay up like 0:15:57.560 --> 0:16:02.480 a little bit easier. And like growing up watching a 0:16:02.480 --> 0:16:04.800 lot of golf, I still watch golf on my weeks 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:08.120 off now and I always just think it's boring when 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:09.800 if you're watching the tournament and guys are fit a 0:16:09.800 --> 0:16:12.560 good t shot and then there they have to lay up. 0:16:13.320 --> 0:16:15.320 So yeah, that's just my view. 0:16:15.760 --> 0:16:20.320 Yeah, ChIL, let's talk about let's talk about your putter 0:16:20.640 --> 0:16:23.400 in just things you like. You've worked with Tony Sarrano 0:16:23.440 --> 0:16:27.160 a lot on pod models. I think you've been part 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:30.280 of the development of our OSLO model. You've played the 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:36.400 Oslo for quite some time, right, Yeah, and what particular 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:38.520 little things are important to you in the putter, you know, 0:16:38.600 --> 0:16:40.960 even down to putting the grip on at a certain 0:16:41.560 --> 0:16:43.080 clocking orientation. 0:16:43.640 --> 0:16:48.720 Yeah. So I enjoyed working with Tony. I've used the 0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:53.280 Oslo since the first week in the bag was the 0:16:53.360 --> 0:16:56.600 Dunhill twenty sixteen, which was my first first win on 0:16:56.680 --> 0:17:01.440 the European Tour. Yeah, so yeah, that is a special 0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:06.960 week and I basically used the Oslo almost the whole 0:17:07.040 --> 0:17:09.840 time since there's been a few little changes in there, 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:12.800 just to scare it, you know, you need that. You 0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:15.639 need that sometimes you've nervous. Yeah, it's to freshen it 0:17:15.720 --> 0:17:18.400 up a little bit. But always always went back to it, 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:23.360 and there was just things that I felt the visual 0:17:23.600 --> 0:17:28.560 of how I what I would rather see. It was 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:31.520 certainly making it a little bit thinner and the head 0:17:32.440 --> 0:17:35.919 marginally smaller. But the big thing for me would be 0:17:35.920 --> 0:17:39.840 the sight line. I don't use a I never used 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:42.120 the line on the ball. I always use the line 0:17:42.160 --> 0:17:44.639 on the putter to make sure that I'm hopefully aiming 0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:47.439 where I want to be. And I think a slightly 0:17:47.480 --> 0:17:54.320 thicker sight line which just makes it easier to aim, 0:17:54.400 --> 0:17:56.040 So that that's a big thing for me. 0:17:56.760 --> 0:17:59.560 Marty. It's interesting. It's like we had walking in here earlier, 0:17:59.680 --> 0:18:01.840 and just the line on the putter thing is so 0:18:01.880 --> 0:18:05.360 interesting to hear two players that have completely different philosophy, 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:08.919 totally different line. You know. Joaquin said he didn't like 0:18:08.920 --> 0:18:10.800 the line on his putter because he uses a line, 0:18:11.080 --> 0:18:13.000 and he said it would feel like the lines didn't 0:18:13.000 --> 0:18:15.800 match at times. And so for you it's it's. 0:18:16.240 --> 0:18:19.600 I get that because certainly using the line on the 0:18:19.640 --> 0:18:23.040 ball from when you're reading the part and you've got 0:18:23.040 --> 0:18:25.480 the ball down and you check it, it looks good. But 0:18:25.560 --> 0:18:28.040 there was when I did try and use to find 0:18:28.119 --> 0:18:30.480 there was so many times to serve the bomb. That's 0:18:30.800 --> 0:18:34.880 that's way too low. That's way too you don't believe yourself. Yeah, 0:18:34.960 --> 0:18:37.840 you just can't trust it. So I just eliminated that, 0:18:38.040 --> 0:18:40.240 and that's why I just went blank side of the 0:18:40.240 --> 0:18:44.240 ball and trust myself that I'm aiming where I should be. 0:18:45.000 --> 0:18:47.000 You mentioned your dad earlier. Do you still work with 0:18:47.000 --> 0:18:48.359 your dad on golf, swing and stuff? 0:18:48.680 --> 0:18:48.880 Yes? 0:18:49.560 --> 0:18:51.119 Has he been your instructor your whole life? 0:18:52.320 --> 0:18:55.880 Well, from from the age of ten ten or eleven, Yeah, 0:18:56.240 --> 0:19:01.560 we've we've worked together. So I took part in junior clinics, 0:19:01.600 --> 0:19:04.600 but before that age and and things like that. But yeah, 0:19:04.640 --> 0:19:09.400 my dad's my dad's helped me massively from as I said, 0:19:09.440 --> 0:19:10.040 ten or eleven. 0:19:10.240 --> 0:19:13.639 It is how much has technology helped that relationship obviously 0:19:13.680 --> 0:19:14.800 with you've been on the road all the time and 0:19:14.880 --> 0:19:16.440 him not being able to travel, you know, week in 0:19:16.520 --> 0:19:17.040 and week out. 0:19:17.400 --> 0:19:20.080 Yeah, I mean we tried it a little bit last 0:19:20.160 --> 0:19:24.640 year with him coming out to tournaments, and I think 0:19:24.880 --> 0:19:29.720 it trying to do work at tournaments never didn't didn't 0:19:29.720 --> 0:19:35.600 work that well for me because I think ultimately you 0:19:35.600 --> 0:19:37.760 you're off weeks is where you're going to try and 0:19:37.800 --> 0:19:40.679 get everything you want lined up so you can then 0:19:40.800 --> 0:19:43.440 just go to the tournament, go out and play. And 0:19:44.440 --> 0:19:48.480 there was times where I think last year I was 0:19:48.480 --> 0:19:50.919 getting a bit frustrated, certainly on the range, because you 0:19:51.000 --> 0:19:53.399 kind of just want like a magic pill, and it 0:19:53.960 --> 0:19:59.080 doesn't work that way. So we just that was the 0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:03.159 first year that we tried coming out more to more tournaments, 0:20:03.400 --> 0:20:06.639 and we both just kind of sat down at the 0:20:06.720 --> 0:20:10.560 end of the year and figured that we both felt 0:20:10.600 --> 0:20:13.160 the same, like it didn't really work that well, and 0:20:13.480 --> 0:20:17.480 this year we were just he would only come out 0:20:19.400 --> 0:20:21.320 if I needed the help, and that would probably be 0:20:21.359 --> 0:20:25.399 on and off week. So yeah, I think that's everyone's different. 0:20:25.480 --> 0:20:30.000 Some guys want they coach there every week and you know, 0:20:30.200 --> 0:20:34.520 always on the range, and I think, yeah, for me, 0:20:34.640 --> 0:20:36.879 that would just be be way too much. I wouldn't 0:20:36.880 --> 0:20:38.840 be able to deal with that. You end up with 0:20:38.840 --> 0:20:40.960 too many thoughts in your head, and golf is a 0:20:41.000 --> 0:20:44.159 complicated game as it is. And I think the simpler 0:20:44.160 --> 0:20:45.879 you make it, the better, the easier it is. 0:20:47.640 --> 0:20:53.440 Shane asked you the question about, you know, challenging golf 0:20:53.440 --> 0:20:57.080 courses in it it seems as if you, you know, 0:20:57.440 --> 0:21:00.800 play your best golf on tough courses, against tough fields. 0:21:01.200 --> 0:21:03.080 What do you think it is about your game and 0:21:03.240 --> 0:21:06.560 or mentality that's kind of led to that? 0:21:09.920 --> 0:21:14.600 Well, I think ultimately you want to be playing against 0:21:14.640 --> 0:21:17.600 the the best players in the world as as often 0:21:17.640 --> 0:21:24.320 as possible, And yeah, enjoying that competition and it gives 0:21:24.359 --> 0:21:27.480 you It allows you to compare yourself to see where 0:21:27.480 --> 0:21:31.760 you're at as well. And yeah, like this year has 0:21:31.800 --> 0:21:35.119