1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: So every so often this show, we have our fellow 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: listeners reach out to us and ask us to interview 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: people are well known in a certain field, whether that's 4 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: for hunting cryptids, whether that's for delving into unsolved crimes, 5 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: or in the case of today's classic episode, whether it's 6 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:22,240 Speaker 1: a matter of what's up there in the sky. So 7 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 1: we we're joined with Dr Steven Greer to talk about 8 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:33,200 Speaker 1: his work looking into global reports of UFOs and as 9 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 1: we're taking um as we're taking some time off for 10 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 1: the holidays, we figured this would be a good time 11 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 1: to share this conversation. You know, our interest in Stephen 12 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 1: Greer's work goes back to the early two thousand's, right 13 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:49,919 Speaker 1: around two thousand one, when we learned about this thing 14 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 1: called the Disclosure Project, and you know we've been interested 15 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: in his work since then. So let's jump back in 16 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 1: and listen to this conversation together. From UFOs to psychic 17 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: powers and government conspiracies. History is riddled with unexplained events. 18 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: You can turn back now or learn the stuff they 19 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: don't want you to know. Hello, and welcome back to 20 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:30,400 Speaker 1: the show. My name is Matt, my name is Nol. 21 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: They call me Ben. You of course are you and 22 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: that makes this stuff they don't want you to know. 23 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: We have a doozy of an episode for you today, 24 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:46,479 Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, skeptics and true believers, friends and neighbors. 25 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: You've heard longtime listeners about something called disclosure, and typically 26 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: in the realm of uthology, which is a fun word 27 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: to say, and it's tricky to spell. It's just that, 28 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 1: why know, after the f you've heard of this concept 29 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 1: if you're at all interested in allegations of extraterrestrial contact, 30 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: rumors of government involvement with extra terrestrial or extra dimensional entities. Right, 31 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:22,799 Speaker 1: it's the idea that one or more world governments or 32 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:28,359 Speaker 1: corporations have not only discovered evidence of some otherworldly or 33 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 1: other dimensional being, but they have also perhaps had contact 34 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: with these creatures or use technology that they have found, 35 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 1: and for one reason or another, and the reasons can vary, 36 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: wanted to keep it as secret. Yeah, we've been fascinated 37 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: by the disclosure movement and the UFO issue in general 38 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: for years and years and years. You may take your 39 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 1: mind back to May of two thousand one, when at 40 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 1: the National Press Club in Washington, d C. A group 41 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 1: of twenty government witnesses These are military ex military usually 42 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:07,920 Speaker 1: who got together and they described a decade's long conspiracy 43 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 1: to cover up visitation of extra terrestrials to Earth. And 44 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 1: they discussed how the US government was spending forty two 45 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 1: eighty billion dollars a year through black budget projects to 46 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: fund this thing. But why, Matt, why would they do that? 47 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: Why would they try to cover up the aliens? Because 48 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 1: you know, it's just sort of good to have secrets 49 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: for funzies. Sure, but you know, according to these people, 50 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: they were saying that the government was sitting on alien 51 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: technology that they had reverse engineered from a the Roswell 52 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: crash in onward, and that they also could provide unlimited 53 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 1: energy to all the Earth's inhabitants like right now if 54 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 1: they wanted to, and they could have since the fifties, 55 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: but they were just keeping it to themselves. And we 56 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 1: know how the military and the government love to sit 57 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: on technology and keep it away from US mortals as 58 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: long as possible. That is a document into fact. Uh. Unfortunately, 59 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 1: it is true that there is there is technology hidden 60 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 1: from the public, or at least technological capacities that have 61 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: not been publicly explored or commercialized. The old joke that 62 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 1: you might hear a lot of your military official friends 63 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: saying when there are a couple of cups in to 64 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: their Saturday night, is you know the old the old 65 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:31,799 Speaker 1: trope that the the military is about five years ahead 66 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:35,840 Speaker 1: minimum technologically to what we see in the commercial sphere. 67 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 1: Two thousand and one, Why are we talking about it? Well, 68 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:41,479 Speaker 1: that date maybe ninth two thousand one, when that press 69 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: conference occurred that could be seen and probably is seen 70 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: by most people as the very beginning of the global 71 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: disclosure movement. And it was headed by a gentleman named 72 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:59,480 Speaker 1: Stephen Greer, Doctor Stephen Greer, Yes, Dr Stephen M. Greer, 73 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:06,559 Speaker 1: the most prominent and most well known proponent of this 74 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 1: disclosure concept, the founder of the project. As Matt mentioned, 75 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: we've received so many emails, tweets, messages scrawled in blood 76 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 1: and darkened bathroom mirrors, etcetera. You know, however, you choose 77 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: to contact us about this concept of disclosure, and it 78 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: touches on many things. It touches on the exploration of space, 79 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: it touches on the classification of secrets, and it touches 80 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:43,039 Speaker 1: on the alleged future of energy. So we went to 81 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: the primary source and in today's episode, we interview Dr 82 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 1: Stephen Greer. Uh. He also has a follow up and 83 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: in this interview, we stick to the rules of engagement 84 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,840 Speaker 1: force stuff they don't want you to know. And what 85 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,599 Speaker 1: that means in this case is that we never have 86 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 1: on this show. We never will on this show tell 87 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 1: you what to believe. What we attempt instead is to 88 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 1: present to you the most current and the most prescient 89 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: evolution of the disclosure concept. Dr Stephen Greer is the 90 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: leader in this field, and he is on the bleeding 91 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 1: edge of this pursuit. So prepare yourselves, keep an open mind. 92 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: There's gonna be so much stuff you're gonna be on 93 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:43,159 Speaker 1: your computer for several hours after this. And we were 94 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:45,839 Speaker 1: lucky enough to get an early look at Dr Greer's 95 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 1: film that's coming out this month called Unacknowledged, where he 96 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: gets some pretty intense interview subjects in the form of 97 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: former retired high level government officials who have a lot 98 00:06:56,480 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: of very interesting things to say about the UFO phenomenon 99 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: and our current government and our country's involvement with it. UM. 100 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:07,799 Speaker 1: And you know this is there's a lot to unpack 101 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: here UM. And I, like Ben was saying, what we 102 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: always try to do is present the facts present, you know, 103 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 1: what people are saying in the community surrounding various conspiracy 104 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: theories and such. And here we do nothing less than 105 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: that we let Dr gear speak for himself and for 106 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: his movement and his beliefs, and we try not to interject. 107 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: But there are some things in this interview that we 108 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 1: don't necessarily agree with wholeheartedly. But we did not want 109 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: to deprive this very interesting man the opportunity to present 110 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: his views uninhibited. And with that, what say you, gentlemen? 111 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: Shall we so? Dr Greer? In another life, so to speak, 112 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: you were a physician, You were the director of a 113 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: medical facility. What made you decided to give up the 114 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: life of a doctor and pursue this UFO issue full time? Yeah? Well, 115 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: I'm actually still a physician and licensed and all of that. However, 116 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: you know, I left my practice as the chairman of 117 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: emergency Medicine in North Carolina because I realized that nobody 118 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: was really addressing the central problem around the secrecy of 119 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 1: UFOs and particularly the technologies that go with them. And 120 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 1: in about when I briefed the sitting director of the 121 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: CIA for Bill Clinton, it became quite clear to me 122 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 1: that there was another larger problem, and that is that 123 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 1: the programs related to UFOs were being run illegally and 124 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 1: unconstitutionally because the CIA director and the President, we're being 125 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 1: denied access to them. This was something that was so 126 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: shocking to me that I still was working as a 127 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: medical doctor and I was sort of shoveling back and 128 00:08:56,240 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 1: forth from North Carolina up to Washington, d C. And 129 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:03,839 Speaker 1: at first I thought perhaps that was an anomaly of 130 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: the CIA director that particular one, or this particular president. 131 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: And then I started doing briefings in the later after 132 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: that with members of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Senate Foreign 133 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: Relations Committee, the head of intelligence for the Joint Chiefs 134 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 1: of Staff, padmal Wilson, and also the head of the 135 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:27,439 Speaker 1: Defense Intelligence Agency, the position that the General Flynn had 136 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 1: before it was fired, and it was General Patrick Hughes. 137 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: And all of these people were also in a situation 138 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 1: where they knew there were programs involving billions of dollars 139 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: going on related to UFOs, but when they made a 140 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: specific inquiry about them, were denied access. And that's when 141 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: I realized we are in a very dangerous situation legally, 142 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 1: uh and also from a security point of view. And 143 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: that the reason these lives and cover ups are happening 144 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 1: is because there's a if you want to talk at 145 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 1: the deep national security state does not want the public 146 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: to know that we already have technologies that would get 147 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: us completely off of fossil fuels. So I realized that 148 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 1: this was really all about macro economic power and money. 149 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 1: And that is when I left my medical career. I 150 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 1: realized that this was such a huge issue. It wasn't 151 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 1: just any longer, you know, gosh of their et s 152 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: out there, and isn't this interesting, and let's go look 153 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:28,959 Speaker 1: at a UFO. It became something where I realized that 154 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 1: the course of the future of our civilization was being 155 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 1: hijacked by a group of global elitists who were at 156 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 1: their core fascist. Just about track slightly a little bit 157 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 1: more on your background, it occurs to me that a 158 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: medical doctor, a physician, that is a world of codified procedures, 159 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: and you know things that you go to medical school 160 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: and learn very specific methods for doing things that are 161 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: established as part of Western medicine. I know that you 162 00:10:56,120 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 1: also practice transcendental meditation, and I'm wondering if you moved 163 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 1: away more from this more codified medical background toward kind 164 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: of thinking outside the box. For lack of a better term, 165 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:11,679 Speaker 1: what exactly guided you on that path other than what 166 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 1: you just described, was there something? Was there something that 167 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: clicked for you that made you feel like you wanted 168 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 1: to kind of venture out beyond into the unknown? Well? Sure, 169 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 1: I mean, thank goodness, I was a student of meditation 170 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 1: and things of that before I went to medical school. 171 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 1: Um uh, you know, because that's all hard sciencests and 172 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: not just howified procedures. I mean, you've got to know 173 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:35,439 Speaker 1: quantitative analysis and physics and molecular biology and all the 174 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 1: stuff in organic chemistry. It was really great that I 175 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: had done the APICO that gave me a foundation for 176 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 1: thinking outside the box number one, but also experientially understanding 177 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 1: how interstellar civilizations are using advanced electronic systems that interface 178 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:55,199 Speaker 1: with thought and consciousness. And this gets into some very 179 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: controversial concepts which are really outside the box to the 180 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: average listener. I guess it. I can assure you they're 181 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: not using an iPhone that's traveling as a speed of 182 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: light to go of you know, a million light years across, 183 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: you know, from one galaxy to another, but they take 184 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:13,079 Speaker 1: a million years if its speed a light to do so, 185 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 1: so you're you're talking about technologies that are interfacing with fields, 186 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: um you could say them other dimensions of energy, but 187 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 1: that are quantifiable. It's not like some you know, psychic 188 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 1: sitting around with a turbine on. But my understanding of 189 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: meditation and consciousness and what's called nonlocality and physics and 190 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: nonlocality of consciousness meaning that the mind is not limited 191 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: to space and time, that that knowledge helped bridge the 192 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: mystery of how these ekey civilizations appear and disappear and communicate. 193 00:12:47,200 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 1: So that actually served me very well. You know, that's 194 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 1: a fantastic connection that you've made, Dr Greer, which I 195 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 1: think is going to be astonishing to our audience. The 196 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 1: idea of this interrelationship between cognition, consciousness and more highly 197 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: evolved forms of technology. You know, it reminds me of 198 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 1: that Arthur C. Clarke quote about after a certain threshold 199 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: of technology, everything like might seem like magic to some people, 200 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 1: which you know, sometimes I think people become comfortable with 201 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 1: the stuff that they feel is established, even though, as 202 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 1: you have pointed out numerous times, it's really strange that 203 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:42,959 Speaker 1: smartphones exist and that some areas of technology are so 204 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 1: much more sophisticated and advanced than others, and and it 205 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 1: does make people question the concept of secrecy and in 206 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: full disclosure, we've studied the Disclosure Project fairly extensively in 207 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 1: the past of this show, and it's something that our 208 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 1: audience is very much interested in. And since you're the 209 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: founder of the Disclosure Project, we were wondering if you 210 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 1: could tell our audience a little bit about what the 211 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 1: Disclosure Project is and how it came to be, especially 212 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: regarding the technology we've mentioned earlier. Yes, and you know, 213 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: this is one of the central themes of the documentary 214 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: that's just come out. By the way, we're now number 215 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 1: one on iTunes for documentaries as of right now. Um 216 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 1: and Unacknowledged is also a book that has more information 217 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: and as it's available at Amazon and everywhere else. Those 218 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 1: the book and the movie Unacknowledged are really about my 219 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 1: journey discovering what the unacknowledged Special Access projects, which is 220 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: the proper name for these very classified projects, are And 221 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: the reason the Disclosure Project happened was an accident of 222 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 1: history in the sense that my real intention was to 223 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: simply focus on a an enter planetary diplomatic team that 224 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 1: would make peaceful contact with these civilizations using what's been 225 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: called in which I coined a FEAT and five initiative 226 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: close encounters of the fifth time where we go out 227 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: and make this sort of contact. But early on in 228 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: when we were doing some experiments with this in Florida, 229 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 1: we had four extraterrestrial crafts show up. It got filmed 230 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 1: with very quality high cameras. Back then it was on 231 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 1: the front page of the Pentacle of paper and there 232 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 1: were two Air Force kernels in pilots in the training 233 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 1: group of about fifty people. This got kicked up and 234 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 1: picked up by the head of Army Intelligence and people 235 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 1: at various other three letter agencies, and they approached me 236 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 1: within thirty days, and some of them were very hostile 237 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 1: to what we were doing and threatening. Others, however, were 238 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: very supportive and said that yes, it's high time that 239 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 1: this subject be a declassified in the public know the truth, uh, 240 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: and we want to help you. So that's kind of 241 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 1: how the contact expeditions I was leading led to the 242 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 1: early stages of what INE became known as if you 243 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 1: go to the Clinton Presidential Library, project Starlight, and that 244 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: was a code name for a briefing process that we 245 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 1: put together. Um, we put together the best available evidence 246 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: of the best cases and images and everything from around 247 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 1: the world, and government documents to provide to the presidents 248 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 1: and members of Congress, into the UN Secretary General Buttris 249 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: Gali at the time and other people, and to try 250 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: to create a consensus to end the secrecy. But by 251 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: seven it was quite clear to me that no one 252 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: in Congress and no one in the White House was 253 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 1: going to take that tast on. And in fact, one 254 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 1: of Bill Clinton's friends used to stay with him at 255 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 1: the White House came to my home and said, uh, 256 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 1: you know, Dr Greer, they very much agree with what 257 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 1: you're recommending in the brief you put together that this 258 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 1: subject pp classified, but we're concerned that if the president 259 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: does this, he will end up like Jack Kennedy and 260 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:18,239 Speaker 1: I start laughing. I think this is completely nonsense. And 261 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: then he said, no, we're not joking. And I said, well, 262 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 1: what the hell do you want me to do. I'm 263 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: a doctor in an emergency department. Doing this just a 264 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: sort of an interest. And they said, well, we think 265 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:31,399 Speaker 1: you should do it. And I turned to him and 266 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: I said, yeah, what you're saying is I'm expendable and 267 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 1: the President isn't. And he looked me straight in the 268 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:39,679 Speaker 1: eye and he said, yes, you're expendable, and the president is. 269 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 1: So I I always joke that I'm the throwaway person. 270 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: I can throw away my career, I can throw away 271 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: my life. I can give blood and treasure that would 272 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 1: matter because these kiddiots, politicians and money horrors that run 273 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 1: Wall Street in Washington, they're not going to stick their 274 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 1: next out. So you know, what I realized is that 275 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 1: there's no courage left in our leadership and that we 276 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 1: the people have to manifest that courage. And that's how 277 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:11,360 Speaker 1: the disclosure projects about put together. Is when I realized 278 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:14,439 Speaker 1: that no one in the official world of Washington or 279 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:16,680 Speaker 1: Paris or London, and I went all over the world, 280 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 1: meeting with officials in governments all over the world, nobody 281 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:24,880 Speaker 1: wanted to take this issue on. So I decided, well, 282 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 1: we the people want to do it, and so began 283 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:31,920 Speaker 1: the disclosure process. Well, speaking of idiot politicians, um, James 284 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: call me was fired yesterday. I'm just going to use 285 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:36,199 Speaker 1: that as a as a segway. I'm not really going 286 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 1: to go into detail there, um, but I'm wondering we're 287 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 1: wondering when someone like vacates or gets booted from a 288 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 1: high level intelligence position like that, do you think they're 289 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 1: leaving with state secrets that they have actual information about 290 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:54,120 Speaker 1: some of the things that you're describing that they try 291 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 1: to keep under wraps. Well, some do and some don't. 292 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,399 Speaker 1: And this is something that I make very clear in 293 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 1: both the movie Unacknowledged and the book, is that whether 294 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 1: you're in the loop, let's call it, of these very classified, 295 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 1: unacknowledged special access projects on this issue has a very 296 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:15,880 Speaker 1: much less to do with your rank and position, then 297 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 1: with your let's call it psychological makeup, and whether or 298 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:25,119 Speaker 1: not you're willing to go along with a fascist secret agenda. 299 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 1: So if you're if you are not, then you're not 300 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:31,360 Speaker 1: gonna be told anything like like the CI director Wolsey 301 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: or like General Patrick choose ahead of the Defense Intelligence Agency, 302 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 1: And now here you have head of the CIA, head 303 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 1: of the d i A both being lied to. Now 304 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:42,400 Speaker 1: have there been ci A directors who know or FBI 305 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: directors who know absolutely, But those are people who have 306 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:50,399 Speaker 1: at their core value system, let's talk about your value system, 307 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 1: a fascist view of the world where the elite should 308 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 1: have this power and the rest of us are basically 309 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:01,879 Speaker 1: slaves on their authoritarian plantations. So whether or not Jim 310 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:05,920 Speaker 1: Clooney was read into these projects or not, I honestly 311 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 1: do not know. He's probably aware of the issue and 312 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 1: they were briefed ti UM. I know the presidents that 313 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 1: have been around since nine i e. President Clinton onwards 314 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:22,880 Speaker 1: do know because I have provided briefly materials for them 315 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:27,439 Speaker 1: and their senior staff. However, them knowing about the issue 316 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:31,400 Speaker 1: from a source like myself who has no official standing, 317 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 1: and being able to have access control are two very 318 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: different things. And this is that this is where the 319 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 1: public is very confused on how you want to talk 320 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,399 Speaker 1: about how things really work. That's how things really don't work. 321 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 1: So in Washington, let's talk about dysfunction on the massive scale. 322 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 1: For example, when I brief Admiral Tom Wilson, who was 323 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: J two, the head of intelligence for the Joint Chiefs 324 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: of Staff, and about this time of year in n 325 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,919 Speaker 1: many years ago, I had Edgar Mitchell with me. I 326 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 1: had all these other people who were military whistleblowers who 327 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 1: had information, and I had sent to him this admiral 328 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: a briefing paper prior two the meeting. In that document, 329 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 1: and this is in the movie, by the way. And 330 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 1: in the book was a National Reconnaissance Office document from 331 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 1: Nellis Air Force Space a security warning, and in it 332 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,440 Speaker 1: was the distribution list of all the top secret and 333 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 1: acknowledged special projects that were current as of that time 334 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 1: in early and I got this document. It's authentic, it's 335 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:43,679 Speaker 1: not then be classified, and it's in the book, and 336 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 1: it's in the movie, and go see it. Now. This 337 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 1: admiral recognized one of those compartments, and so he contacted 338 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 1: them and said, I am Admiral Tom Wilson. I'm the 339 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 1: head of intelligence with the Joints Chiefs of Staff, and 340 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: I want to be read into or braced on this project. 341 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: And he was told, sir, you don't have a need 342 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 1: to know. Now everyone listening needs to have that think 343 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: in this is the head of intelligence with the Joint 344 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:12,640 Speaker 1: Chiefs of Staff of the Pentagon. And he said, he's 345 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 1: a goddamn it. How can I not have a need 346 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 1: to know? I'm the head of intelligence for the Joint Staff. 347 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: And they said, sir, we will not discuss this with 348 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 1: you further and hung up and block. So by this 349 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 1: time Edgar Mitchlin and I got to this stand up 350 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 1: briefing that I was doing at the Pentagon. This Admiral 351 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 1: was both furious and terrified because he realized that there 352 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 1: really was a sort of subterranean literally and metaphorically of 353 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:46,440 Speaker 1: covert programs that that we're running off out of his control, 354 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 1: and we're willing to deny him access, notwithstanding his responsibilities 355 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,439 Speaker 1: and high position. So now have there been people in 356 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:58,119 Speaker 1: his exact same position at the Pentagon who did know 357 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 1: absolutely Because those were people who came up through the 358 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 1: system and were tested to see if they would go 359 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 1: along with illegal programs, criminal enterprises, and a fascist long 360 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:15,400 Speaker 1: term agenda. And that is the distinguishing mark between people 361 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,959 Speaker 1: who are in the system and out of the system. 362 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 1: Now it's more complicated. There are people who have tried 363 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:25,120 Speaker 1: to defect from that system, such as CIA Director Bill Tolby, 364 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,920 Speaker 1: who in the mid nineties or so, wanted to provide 365 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 1: for us a zero point energy free energy device, which 366 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 1: is at the heart of the energy system of the 367 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,399 Speaker 1: UFO or any other thing that's going to be running 368 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 1: through space and it would run your house forever with 369 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 1: no energy bill and no pollution. He was going to 370 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,880 Speaker 1: give us some seed funding of around fifty million dollars 371 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 1: in this device so we could get it out. He 372 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 1: was a very old man and he thought the secrecy 373 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 1: had gone on to such a point that it was 374 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 1: damaging with the future of humanity. But the but the 375 00:23:58,160 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 1: week that he was going to meet with a member 376 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: of My Order directors, they found imploating down the Potomac 377 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 1: River and he had been killed. Now his son thinks 378 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 1: he committed suicide. He did not, And the press just 379 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 1: that it was a boating accident in a canoe. And 380 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 1: that's not truely either. But the fact of the matter, 381 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 1: if that was a shot fired across the vowel of 382 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:22,119 Speaker 1: people who were on the inside, like Bill Coleby, but 383 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 1: who wanted to defect, and so it had a chilling 384 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:30,399 Speaker 1: effect all through the establishment of covert programs. And you know, 385 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,640 Speaker 1: this has been my life for twenty five years, and 386 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:37,119 Speaker 1: a lot of it's not pretty. But this is you know, 387 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 1: this is not conspiracy theory stuff. This is stuff I 388 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:43,199 Speaker 1: have personal knowledge and was very instantly involved with. So 389 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 1: this is why that I think the film un Acknowledged 390 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 1: is so important because it explains the architecture of the 391 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: secrecy and what the reasons are for the secrecy. Because 392 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 1: you know, the majority of the public believe you apos 393 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 1: are real and the government's heightened some, but they don't 394 00:24:56,560 --> 00:25:00,680 Speaker 1: know how they're m from whom and what these unacknowledge 395 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 1: special access projects are and hapably operate. And more importantly, 396 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 1: and this is that the hundred trillion dollar question why 397 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:12,399 Speaker 1: it's so secret, and that that question of why is 398 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:16,120 Speaker 1: the biggest one of all. Yes, yes, sir, we absolutely 399 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,719 Speaker 1: agree with that question of you know, the the impetus, 400 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:24,920 Speaker 1: the motivation, it's it's become increasingly apparent to even the 401 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 1: casual uh, the casual researcher, that the deep state does 402 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 1: exist and the you know, in multiple instances. Of course, 403 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 1: most people are probably most familiar with stories about the 404 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 1: CIA operating illegally um abroad in in the interests sometimes 405 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: of corporations, in the interests sometimes of ideologies. But it 406 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:55,199 Speaker 1: brings us to another related question that we'd love to 407 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:59,119 Speaker 1: hear your take on. Do you believe that the current 408 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 1: inform nation age you know now that now that the 409 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 1: cost of communication is lower than it ever has been. Uh, 410 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,679 Speaker 1: do you believe that that has had an effect on 411 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:15,159 Speaker 1: the practice of state secrecy? And if so, what and 412 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 1: to what degree? Well, let's talk about conventional state secrecy, 413 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 1: the sort of thing that Edward Snowden tried to expose, 414 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,880 Speaker 1: but which frankly was prosaic and everyone in the world 415 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:33,400 Speaker 1: knew it existed already, because what he exposed with PRISM 416 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,239 Speaker 1: was really just a later version of what the New 417 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 1: York Times and others exposed in the early two thousands 418 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 1: about the Carnivore and Echelon and other metadata and intelligency 419 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 1: dropping programs of the National Security Agency. And of course 420 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 1: Edward Snowden was too young to know this and to 421 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:56,199 Speaker 1: an experienced and um unfortunately, he did not focus on 422 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 1: the illegal projects. He focused on ones that were rather 423 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 1: even though they're extraordinarily evil and big Brother risk was 424 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:08,919 Speaker 1: expinal everyone all the time UM or rather prosaic. The 425 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: ones that are that are being running these unacknowledged special 426 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 1: access projects are several generations beyond anything that say Snowden exposed, 427 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:22,160 Speaker 1: and deal with technologies. I go back now about nineteen 428 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: fifty four to nineteen fifty six when massive breakthroughs occurred 429 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 1: in electromagnetic theory and technologies that interface with space, time 430 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 1: and also consciousness. So a lot of people have heard 431 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 1: about the c I a program on say remote you 432 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:44,439 Speaker 1: and using consciousness to see remote places. That material that's 433 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,119 Speaker 1: out in the public domain by people like former NSA 434 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 1: offered to the Dames and others is like the kindergarten version. 435 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,919 Speaker 1: The really advanced stuff was electronic interfaces with consciousness that 436 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 1: we're developed in the fifties. Now most people have heard 437 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 1: the mk ultra experiments where they were used in l 438 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,399 Speaker 1: S and B and other things on mind control. What 439 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,920 Speaker 1: never got exposed in senator churches hearing about this about 440 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 1: MK ultra from the CIA were the electronics systems. So 441 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,199 Speaker 1: at the course, so when you start talking about the 442 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 1: national security state of what they can penetrate, there's the Internet, 443 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,680 Speaker 1: and there's the fact that everyone is has been Rich 444 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,920 Speaker 1: said in the mid the head of Wackey's conforts, he said, 445 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 1: there are no private conversations anywhere on Earth now. Whether 446 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 1: or not he knew what I'm about to tell you, 447 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 1: I don't know. But one of my military advisers was 448 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 1: at the White Those Naval Facility which is now closed 449 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 1: up in Maryland in the nineteen seventy four, and he 450 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 1: was read into and saw an electronics system that could 451 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 1: target any point in space or time. And extract from 452 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 1: what's called the white noise of space time anything that 453 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 1: was ever said or done in that blind of space 454 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 1: or time, non locally, not with a wirecat. Now, that 455 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 1: was in the seventies. There are people I met with 456 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 1: who had worked on technologies beyond that of a similar 457 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 1: nature in nineteen fifty six. So I think that the 458 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 1: problem is is that you're not going to see these 459 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 1: stories on the New York Times and Washington Post because, 460 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 1: as one of our witnesses in the book Acknowledge and 461 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 1: the film Unacknowledged states, their bags of cash being carried 462 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 1: to senor people in the in the mainstream media, who 463 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 1: are usually the people who report on national security issues, 464 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 1: who are really on the payroll of the c i A. 465 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 1: Or of the Pentagon or what have you. So, you know, 466 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 1: the fourth of State. The media has been so corrupted 467 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 1: that it's very hard to get this story out. So 468 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 1: but however, the good news is that the Internet and 469 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 1: things like iTunes and uh YouTube and what have you 470 00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 1: have enabled us to get the information out to millions 471 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 1: of people, and hundreds of millions of people, more so 472 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 1: than perhaps that now watch ann So I think that 473 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 1: it's sort of one of these things where on the 474 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 1: one hand, there are all these corrupt uses of these technologies, 475 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 1: but on the other hand, if we're clever, perhaps we 476 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 1: can begin to level the plane field a little bit. 477 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 1: So with these people who are in mass media, do 478 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 1: you think there is a some kind of coordinated effort 479 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 1: to get different outlets and let's eat, let's say, even 480 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 1: scientific establishment groups to purposefully discredit and debunk the entire 481 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 1: UFO issue and any anything else related to it. Well, 482 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 1: I don't think I can prove it. I have CIA 483 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 1: documents and witness testimony from Air Force intelligence and other figures, 484 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 1: and some of these appear in the book and in 485 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 1: the in the movie that's flat out state that it's 486 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 1: not it's there. It's that's not a conspiracy theory. There's 487 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 1: no question at all that that's the case. And I've 488 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 1: known of this since the early so uh people are 489 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 1: very naive if they think that we still have a 490 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 1: truly free press. It's it's a compromised and corrupted big media. Uh. Now, 491 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 1: recently there have been more and more stories on quote 492 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 1: unquote aliens, and of course have been a plethora of 493 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 1: movies out of Hollywood on the subject. Although most of 494 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 1: them are zinophobic, and the purpose of that is a 495 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 1: decentsitization program to let mainstream people know that there's something coming. 496 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 1: But with the punchline, they're coming to eat us for launch. 497 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 1: I think that as Douglas MacArthur said in nineteen fifty five, 498 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,040 Speaker 1: the year I was born, I'm sure you guys weren't 499 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 1: alive then, uh, he said, you know, basically World War 500 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 1: three will be interplanetary. So you know, since the fifties 501 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 1: there has been a plan to manage the subject in 502 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 1: such a way that when it does come out, it 503 00:31:56,040 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 1: will be hijacked by the buffoonery of the UFO subculture 504 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 1: in Hollywood, and also by the xenophobes that the people 505 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 1: who are you all afraid of all things alien because 506 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 1: they want to basically unite the world around the military punta, 507 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 1: sort of a fascist military state that engages in a 508 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,960 Speaker 1: conflict with one or more extraterrestrial civilizations. That's been the 509 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,719 Speaker 1: agenda since the fifties and sixties, and there's no question 510 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,960 Speaker 1: at all that that's the case. I mean, Werner von 511 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 1: Brown and his deathbed confirmed it. This Air Force offic 512 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:36,480 Speaker 1: of Special Investigations of Officer Dotie, who did counterintelligence and 513 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 1: disinformation programs on UFOs for the Air Force for a 514 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 1: decade has confirmed the existence of this false flag UH, 515 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 1: and I have dozens of people who are in the 516 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 1: national security programs who have confirmed it to me, and 517 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 1: that this is this is one of my big concerns 518 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 1: with the U the UFO subculture. And you know what 519 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 1: some people call full disclosure, right, so, well, full disclosure 520 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 1: is great. Let's not make it boke at a U 521 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 1: X disclosure because there's so much disinformation on this because 522 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 1: we have to begin to ask to ask the question 523 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 1: who benefit from conflict that's interplanetary? Was the same characters 524 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 1: who have benefited from the military and industrial intelligence financial 525 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 1: complex since World War Two, who are really just modern 526 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 1: day fascists. So we have to wonder whose hands are 527 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,800 Speaker 1: we playing into when we UH sort of began to 528 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:39,240 Speaker 1: be parenting that narrative allah of the movie Independence Day. 529 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,960 Speaker 1: And I think that there is a very clear counter 530 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 1: intelligence program out there that has co opted most of 531 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 1: this subject on the Internet and movies, and we have 532 00:33:50,040 --> 00:34:06,239 Speaker 1: to be very skeptical. Absolutely agree with UH with with 533 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:11,160 Speaker 1: the statement regarding the the elephant in the room for 534 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,279 Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of these concepts and that 535 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:18,840 Speaker 1: would be as as you pointed out eloquently, uh disinformation. 536 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:22,560 Speaker 1: So towards the end of unacknowledged, you ask one of 537 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 1: the one of the witnesses, somebody that you've interviewed before, 538 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:29,720 Speaker 1: I believe Richard Dody, and you're asking him about something 539 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,719 Speaker 1: called or that you referred to as deceptive indication rewarnings 540 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,719 Speaker 1: projects and right, we just wanted to see if you 541 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 1: could describe for our audience what a what false i 542 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 1: NW is, like, why, what is it and why does 543 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:46,880 Speaker 1: it matter? Well at the Pentagon and in the intelligence community, 544 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,880 Speaker 1: the I see a deceptive indication and warning or false 545 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 1: signed w H indication warning is what pop folks were 546 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:59,080 Speaker 1: called false flag for example, the Gulf of Tampton incident, 547 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:04,040 Speaker 1: where or we exaggerated or perhaps staged the attack on 548 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:08,000 Speaker 1: our vessels ships in the Gulf of Taunting so that 549 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,480 Speaker 1: the Congress and the public would be so outraged that 550 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:15,640 Speaker 1: President Johnson was stampeded into vastly expanding the Vietnam War 551 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,960 Speaker 1: to the great enrichment of the war profiteers and the 552 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,719 Speaker 1: war mongers. Um That's been done over and over and 553 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,919 Speaker 1: over again through our history and also throughout the history 554 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 1: of the human race, where demagogues and others stage craft. 555 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:34,799 Speaker 1: It's called stagecraft stage something that then pulls people in 556 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:39,439 Speaker 1: emotionally that then focuses them on the path of war 557 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:43,200 Speaker 1: and conflict and division. I think this is clearly what's 558 00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,879 Speaker 1: going on. And and this I began to speak about 559 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,880 Speaker 1: in the early nineteen nineties, much to the chagrin of 560 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,920 Speaker 1: most of the other people in in the UFO subculture, 561 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 1: because it's become sort of a big cottage industry involving 562 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:02,160 Speaker 1: millions of dollars frankly for people who are you know, 563 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,799 Speaker 1: spouting all manners stuff. And it's very interesting that only 564 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:09,759 Speaker 1: does Officer Doughty, but others that are in our networking 565 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:14,719 Speaker 1: team who are military officials, have confirmed that they have staged, 566 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:19,600 Speaker 1: for example, alien abductions and fake alien events to scare 567 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,480 Speaker 1: people so that people would think that it's e t 568 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,880 Speaker 1: but it isn't. That is completely a d percent of 569 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,440 Speaker 1: counter intelligence operation. Now people say, God, how long have 570 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,359 Speaker 1: you known about this? I said, will since or four 571 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,080 Speaker 1: when I was first briefed on this by to some 572 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:39,640 Speaker 1: men who were inside some of these special operation teams 573 00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:43,319 Speaker 1: that were staging these events. Now this begins to put 574 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,160 Speaker 1: this you have to pull is it's like the Wizard 575 00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,080 Speaker 1: of Oz if you're ever seen the Wizard of Oz 576 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,399 Speaker 1: or there's this old prud mudge and behind the curt 577 00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:51,520 Speaker 1: and pulling all the levers, scaring the hell out of 578 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,799 Speaker 1: Dorothy and everyone else. And you pull the curtain back 579 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,080 Speaker 1: and here's this old crud nudge and doing all this 580 00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:03,320 Speaker 1: stuff that becomes lore and becomes accepted as fact, but isn't. 581 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:09,160 Speaker 1: And it's really but to what end? Well, you know what, 582 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:13,400 Speaker 1: everyone who has studied history and of war. In order 583 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,759 Speaker 1: for a populous to support of war, you've got to 584 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,080 Speaker 1: have an enemy. And the way you create an enemy 585 00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,440 Speaker 1: is to demonize whoever it is, whether it's Jews in 586 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:27,040 Speaker 1: Germany or whoever it is. And you have to then 587 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,920 Speaker 1: create enough fear in the minds of the populace that 588 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,240 Speaker 1: they will pay blood and treasure to go to war. 589 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:38,279 Speaker 1: So this is this is right out of the playbook 590 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:42,200 Speaker 1: of the uh of history, and it's been done over 591 00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,320 Speaker 1: and over and over and over again. So these false 592 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:49,600 Speaker 1: flag operations and counter intelligence programs are to anyone who 593 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:54,680 Speaker 1: understands the system, you know, are very obvious. But to 594 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 1: the average person they're not obvious. For example, you know, 595 00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,600 Speaker 1: even comb All, who is former Chairman of the Joint 596 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,560 Speaker 1: Chiefs of Staff and the Secretary of State for George W. 597 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,600 Speaker 1: Bush and Dick Cheney, goes to the u N with 598 00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:10,880 Speaker 1: files of stuff saying, oh, we have these weapons of 599 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:14,960 Speaker 1: mass destruction in Iraq. Bang. A few months later, weeks later, 600 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,240 Speaker 1: we're in Iraq in a trillion dollar war with hundreds 601 00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,600 Speaker 1: of thousands of people killed, counting iraqis they're humans too, 602 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,279 Speaker 1: And it was all nonsense. So this is it's not 603 00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,759 Speaker 1: as if this is ancient history or isn't a matter 604 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:31,120 Speaker 1: of historical fact. It is a matter of historical fact 605 00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,399 Speaker 1: that's happened over and over and over. But the big one, 606 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,239 Speaker 1: the big one that's still pending, that I think is 607 00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,080 Speaker 1: getting fast tracked in the last eighteen months or so, 608 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,240 Speaker 1: which is why we made the movie unacknowledged. In the book, 609 00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,800 Speaker 1: there were sort of the cosmic call Revere here warning 610 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:50,960 Speaker 1: people of this is that it will be this a 611 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:56,359 Speaker 1: false flag involving an alien threat, precisely what Bernard von 612 00:38:56,440 --> 00:39:01,719 Speaker 1: Brown warned about and which Douglas MacArthur called for when 613 00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:05,719 Speaker 1: he stated that the World War three will be interplanetary. 614 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:11,040 Speaker 1: So those sorts of people who are as sociopaths and 615 00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:15,239 Speaker 1: basically fascists really do want to see the world being 616 00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,240 Speaker 1: able to unite it. You know, remember Ronald Reagan's speech 617 00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,960 Speaker 1: to the United Nations when he said, what in our 618 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:25,000 Speaker 1: job of creating world unity and peace the easier if 619 00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:30,600 Speaker 1: we had a common alien threat to unite against? Okay. 620 00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,560 Speaker 1: So this is very much like the movie Independence Day. 621 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:37,239 Speaker 1: And I tell people that this is how easily the 622 00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:42,000 Speaker 1: populist is manipulated. We were manipulated into Vietnam. We were 623 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,920 Speaker 1: manipulated into a rock, and they're going to try to 624 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:49,000 Speaker 1: manipulate it into something much worse. And that's what we 625 00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,759 Speaker 1: have to be careful of. This is one of the 626 00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:55,279 Speaker 1: reasons why I left my medical career was because I 627 00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:59,279 Speaker 1: knew that this was afoot twenty years ago. And on 628 00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,200 Speaker 1: the one hand, and they're trying to hurl us towards 629 00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:06,560 Speaker 1: a catastrophic event like this. On the other hand, there 630 00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:10,160 Speaker 1: was holding from the public the technologies that would give 631 00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:14,720 Speaker 1: us a sustainable civilization with free energy and zero points 632 00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,279 Speaker 1: so called zero point energy, where we would never have 633 00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:21,160 Speaker 1: any pollution or poverty, and within a generation, poverty as 634 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,720 Speaker 1: we know it on the planet would disappear. Pollution would 635 00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:29,160 Speaker 1: absolutely disappear. Even the technologies to take ionizing radiation nuclear 636 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:33,040 Speaker 1: waste exists that it could be neutralized to inert elements. 637 00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,040 Speaker 1: I know this sort of fact, I know the people 638 00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,880 Speaker 1: who've worked on it. So we could have a pristine 639 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:43,160 Speaker 1: planet with abundance for everybody on the planet. But we're 640 00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:46,280 Speaker 1: going to have to fix this central problem. And that's 641 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,719 Speaker 1: really what the Disclosure Project has been about, and that's 642 00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,719 Speaker 1: what this movie and book are all about. So right 643 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:56,440 Speaker 1: now we're kind of exploring how the secrecy has kept UM, 644 00:40:56,640 --> 00:41:00,720 Speaker 1: let's take a look a little deeper into the secrets themselves. Earlier, 645 00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,480 Speaker 1: you mentioned this idea of a technological breakthrough in the 646 00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:08,759 Speaker 1: nineteen fifties. Um, but where did this technology actually come from? Well, 647 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,399 Speaker 1: there are two two UH streams that joined us. One 648 00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:18,120 Speaker 1: after World War Two. One stream was being worked on 649 00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:21,520 Speaker 1: in the twenties, thirties and forties by people like teen 650 00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:25,880 Speaker 1: Towns and Brown and others in Germany that dealt with 651 00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:30,759 Speaker 1: very high voltage systems that caused mass cancelation so called 652 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:35,359 Speaker 1: anti gravity levitation, as well as a free energy. Now, 653 00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:39,000 Speaker 1: they didn't understand zero point energy at that point, but 654 00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:42,600 Speaker 1: they knew that they could put you know, X amount 655 00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,799 Speaker 1: of energy in and get a hundred times out of 656 00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,120 Speaker 1: the system. And in Tesla knew this as well. He 657 00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:53,280 Speaker 1: caused the infinite energy field. Now, those those were man 658 00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:56,040 Speaker 1: made discovery. So as I always tell people, the laws 659 00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:59,920 Speaker 1: of the universe are guess what universal? So human minds 660 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,799 Speaker 1: and unraveled these mysteries as well as an extraterrestrial mind 661 00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:09,399 Speaker 1: from another star system. However, those developments which were being 662 00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,960 Speaker 1: kept very secret but for the same reasons in the twenties, 663 00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,800 Speaker 1: thirties and forties as today, because it would have upset 664 00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:20,920 Speaker 1: the Rockefeller Plan and the centralized, the industrialists and everything else, 665 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,400 Speaker 1: that is, everybody, nobody would need the miss JP Morgan 666 00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,359 Speaker 1: said that Nikola Tesla, we're not gonna let anything come 667 00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,080 Speaker 1: out that we can't put a meter on it and 668 00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:32,880 Speaker 1: get paid and make a profit on. So that that 669 00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:38,760 Speaker 1: stream joined with a very big river of research. Uh 670 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:44,080 Speaker 1: in the post nine era, and particularly after ninety seven 671 00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:50,319 Speaker 1: to nineteen five, when we use some very advanced electronics 672 00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,799 Speaker 1: to shoot down but not shoot with a gun, but 673 00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:58,839 Speaker 1: with electromagnetic weapons systems that are so called scaler or longitudinal. 674 00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:02,000 Speaker 1: They moved faster than the speed of light, to down 675 00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,719 Speaker 1: these craft that crashed at Roswell and at King in 676 00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:09,239 Speaker 1: Arizona in multiple other places. Those crafts, some of which 677 00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:13,800 Speaker 1: were fairly intact, were then studied and on board those 678 00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:18,200 Speaker 1: craft were not only energy systems that were extremely advanced, 679 00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:22,480 Speaker 1: crystalline energy systems that were zero point, but also the 680 00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:27,960 Speaker 1: propulsion systems that allowed the craft to to UH not 681 00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:32,040 Speaker 1: only float and levitate and move it from the speeds, 682 00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:37,160 Speaker 1: but also enabled them to UH at higher frequencies to 683 00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:42,759 Speaker 1: go quote unquote interdimensional. Now, those technologies we began to 684 00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:47,400 Speaker 1: be studied in highly classified operations in the forties and fifties, 685 00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:51,520 Speaker 1: and that what knowledge we had from the twenties, thirties 686 00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:56,040 Speaker 1: and forties joined with this treasure trove of technologies which 687 00:43:56,080 --> 00:44:01,440 Speaker 1: were acquired from extraterrestrial vehicles, and by ninety four we 688 00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:05,239 Speaker 1: had mastered the fundamentals of gravity control. I have a 689 00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:10,040 Speaker 1: senior official, the highest ranking scientists at the Naval Research Labs, 690 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,520 Speaker 1: Richard Fouche, who was on my team for many years. 691 00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:17,440 Speaker 1: He has since passed away of prostate cancer, but he 692 00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:22,320 Speaker 1: had been in the vault and seeing the documentation, and 693 00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:26,360 Speaker 1: in October of nineteen fifty four we mastered gravity control. 694 00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,800 Speaker 1: So what I tell people you look at the world 695 00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:33,800 Speaker 1: out there, and whether it's your power lines or your cars, 696 00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,080 Speaker 1: or your trains, or your jets or your airplanes or 697 00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,960 Speaker 1: your ships or whatever it is, all of it is 698 00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,760 Speaker 1: from the early twentieth century or in late eighteen hundreds 699 00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:48,239 Speaker 1: Mercedes for the internal combustion engine. Uh. Even jets are 700 00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,440 Speaker 1: from the thirties. Rockets are from the forties. So you know, SpaceX, 701 00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:55,760 Speaker 1: it's all jumped, all of us jump jumped more jump jump. 702 00:44:56,600 --> 00:45:00,400 Speaker 1: Everything that has developed since then, isn't These are in 703 00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:04,920 Speaker 1: these hun acknowledged special access projects. And it's a shame 704 00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:08,440 Speaker 1: because you know it has been Rich said, it seems 705 00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:10,799 Speaker 1: like it will take an act of God to bring 706 00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:14,160 Speaker 1: them out to benefit humanity. Been Rich being the head 707 00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,680 Speaker 1: of the famous Locksheepump works the secret operations at Lockheed Martin. 708 00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,680 Speaker 1: But I think this is why you know, this sort 709 00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:22,560 Speaker 1: of that will takes an act of God. Well though, 710 00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:27,680 Speaker 1: it's it's humans working together to do this. Um. People 711 00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,239 Speaker 1: are very naive if they think these large corporations and 712 00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,040 Speaker 1: government entities are going to do it for us. We 713 00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:35,160 Speaker 1: have to do it. And one of our objectives and 714 00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:37,320 Speaker 1: has been for a number of years that we've lacked 715 00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:41,319 Speaker 1: the financial resources to do it is to start an independent, 716 00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:45,560 Speaker 1: open source research lab where these technologies, particularly the free 717 00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:49,600 Speaker 1: energy ones first and maybe later the anti gravity um 718 00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:53,279 Speaker 1: could be developed independent of any large corporation, but would 719 00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:56,600 Speaker 1: be live streamed on the internet and open source. But 720 00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,360 Speaker 1: you need millions of dollars to open a high energy 721 00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:03,280 Speaker 1: to six lab and we don't have that. We're hoping 722 00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,080 Speaker 1: now if everyone listening to your podcast would go get 723 00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,480 Speaker 1: the book and get the movie, maybe we get on 724 00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:11,920 Speaker 1: the way to having it. But or somebody who wanted 725 00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,640 Speaker 1: to contribute those funds, or some you know, you get 726 00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,359 Speaker 1: twenty people to contribute the funds. So far, no one 727 00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,520 Speaker 1: stepped up to the plates fund the basic science research 728 00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:24,319 Speaker 1: that needs to happen. And um, I think people have 729 00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:27,520 Speaker 1: to understand that, just like disclosures, in the hands of 730 00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,640 Speaker 1: we the people bringing these technologies forward, or in the 731 00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,919 Speaker 1: hands of we the people. But even though we by 732 00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:37,160 Speaker 1: right that the textpayers have been trillions of dollars working 733 00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,040 Speaker 1: on these projects, and the forties and fifties we have 734 00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:44,200 Speaker 1: had no dividends paid to us. It's all being slept 735 00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:48,600 Speaker 1: in the in this kept in this ocracy of of 736 00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:54,560 Speaker 1: of elite programs and unacknowledged special access projects, super secret projects. 737 00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,680 Speaker 1: But we can change that if we want to. I mean, 738 00:46:57,719 --> 00:46:59,440 Speaker 1: it's not like we need to be sitting around on 739 00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:03,000 Speaker 1: our hands waiting for the government to do this for us. 740 00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:07,640 Speaker 1: I think people need to understand we the people or 741 00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:10,120 Speaker 1: where the action is, and we have more power than 742 00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,880 Speaker 1: we realize that we would unite around an effort and 743 00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,560 Speaker 1: do it. So Dr Gerey, can you tell us a 744 00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:19,280 Speaker 1: little bit more about the Orion project itself and how 745 00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:22,279 Speaker 1: close you guys have come to finding some viable way 746 00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:26,760 Speaker 1: to harness the zero pointer free energy. Well, the Orion 747 00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:31,280 Speaker 1: Project is sort of a sub project of our Serious 748 00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:34,520 Speaker 1: Disclosure dot com if you go to our website s 749 00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:38,560 Speaker 1: I R I U s Disclosure dot com, and it's 750 00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:44,839 Speaker 1: a research effort to identify technologies that meet our criteria. 751 00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:48,880 Speaker 1: So far, we have not seen any technology that exists 752 00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:52,600 Speaker 1: that meet our criteria that the person is willing to 753 00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:56,560 Speaker 1: have taken forward. There. Now, let me qualify that their 754 00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,000 Speaker 1: their technologies out there, but people want to keep it 755 00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:02,440 Speaker 1: secret because they get best to keep it secret, or 756 00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:06,440 Speaker 1: they've been threatened, or they've had the technology already tied 757 00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:09,480 Speaker 1: up by it be involved out from under them. For example, 758 00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:12,759 Speaker 1: I'll give you one great example. The Orion project was 759 00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:16,359 Speaker 1: very close to acquiring all the stan Meyer equipment. Stan 760 00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:20,880 Speaker 1: Meyer invented this car that rental water and it was legit. 761 00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:25,839 Speaker 1: But what people don't understand, the crown jewel of his inheritance, 762 00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:30,960 Speaker 1: of what he left to his heirs, was a toroidal 763 00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:36,520 Speaker 1: system and donut shaped system that was an over unity 764 00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,840 Speaker 1: free energy device that had a national security order on 765 00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:43,000 Speaker 1: it that was slapped on it in the eighties, and 766 00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:47,240 Speaker 1: he and his brother worked on this and it was legitimate. Now, 767 00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,880 Speaker 1: our group only had a few hundred thousand dollars, so 768 00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:56,320 Speaker 1: we couldn't acquire that collection. An engineering group in Michigan did. 769 00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,600 Speaker 1: And I said that if those people keep this secret 770 00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,440 Speaker 1: and don't go public with it, if they get it operational, 771 00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:06,479 Speaker 1: they're all dead men walking. And sure enough, a couple 772 00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:09,520 Speaker 1: of years later, they got it operational and their chief funder, 773 00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:13,400 Speaker 1: a man who is in the British Isles, is very wealthy, 774 00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:16,120 Speaker 1: called me up in a panic and said, they're running 775 00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:18,000 Speaker 1: for their lives. I said, well, of course they are, 776 00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:21,880 Speaker 1: because they've done everything strategically backwards. They're trying to be 777 00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,680 Speaker 1: like golem and Lord with the rings might Precious might, 778 00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:27,680 Speaker 1: precious Ring. Well, guess what you know, you think you're 779 00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:29,920 Speaker 1: going to have an invention and make yourself rich, You're 780 00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,600 Speaker 1: gonna be dead before you ever get rich. So I 781 00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:35,960 Speaker 1: told this this. I won't repeat his name on the air, 782 00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:38,920 Speaker 1: but I said, I will write a strategic memo to 783 00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:41,480 Speaker 1: you of what they need to do yesterday, and if 784 00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:43,840 Speaker 1: they do it, they can survive. And if they don't, 785 00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:47,360 Speaker 1: their history, well it turns out they didn't want to 786 00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,440 Speaker 1: do it because they were wanting to monetize it and 787 00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:54,960 Speaker 1: get rich quick. And I's just confirmed about last year 788 00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:59,440 Speaker 1: this time in March of that that entire team has 789 00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:04,120 Speaker 1: been a saf date and terminated. So the problem we've 790 00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:08,800 Speaker 1: run into isn't that the technologies are impossible to find. 791 00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:14,880 Speaker 1: It's that the human factor, the greed factor, the ego factor, uh, 792 00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:18,640 Speaker 1: and the lack of strategic sophistication. And let me let 793 00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:21,640 Speaker 1: me explain what I mean. You're not dealing with a 794 00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,960 Speaker 1: new iPhone or an app or software program like you 795 00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:28,160 Speaker 1: can just crank out a new uniform Billionaire and Silicon 796 00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:31,640 Speaker 1: Valley every week. You're dealing with the technology that makes 797 00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:37,480 Speaker 1: a run at this foundation of our entire economics tetra 798 00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:43,360 Speaker 1: dollar oil based, fossil fuel based centralized electric grid system. 799 00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:47,440 Speaker 1: It's involves in the aggregate, hundreds of trillions of dollars 800 00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:50,399 Speaker 1: in economic impact, and you're not going to be able 801 00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,399 Speaker 1: to do that secretively. So people who try to keep 802 00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:57,680 Speaker 1: the intellectual property secret, the patent secret, people who try 803 00:50:57,760 --> 00:50:59,560 Speaker 1: to do this in the dark of night and thinks 804 00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:02,160 Speaker 1: A're gonna be so clever, they're going to outbox the 805 00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:06,480 Speaker 1: intelligence community or these corporate goons, they are delusional. So 806 00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:10,080 Speaker 1: what I have said to people is phase one of 807 00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,759 Speaker 1: this is to get one of these devices. Do we 808 00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,040 Speaker 1: either have to have one handed off to us, or 809 00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:16,919 Speaker 1: we have to have the funds to do a lab 810 00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,000 Speaker 1: where we can create it ourselves and we would be 811 00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:24,640 Speaker 1: able to or and we then disclose it to the public, 812 00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:29,320 Speaker 1: open source, no intellectual property, no secrets, and a billion 813 00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:31,520 Speaker 1: people know it and can build it on their own 814 00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:34,480 Speaker 1: and it works. Every engineer in m IP can do it. 815 00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:37,680 Speaker 1: The second phase, you might be able to monetize it. 816 00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:40,120 Speaker 1: You might be able to take that basic operating system 817 00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:43,120 Speaker 1: let's call it, and create something that will run your computer, 818 00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:45,520 Speaker 1: create something that will run your house and your heat pump, 819 00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,520 Speaker 1: and then you know that's phase two. But everyone is 820 00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:54,520 Speaker 1: trying to skip phase one, which is ironically open source disclosure. 821 00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:58,319 Speaker 1: And if you if you skip phase one, you're never 822 00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:01,200 Speaker 1: going to get to phase two. And and this is 823 00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:06,719 Speaker 1: because of the unique strategic risks that attend something that 824 00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,239 Speaker 1: is as disruptive. You know, everyone thinks what's going on 825 00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:12,520 Speaker 1: in Filicon Valley right now is disruptive. It's not disruptive 826 00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:16,759 Speaker 1: as tinkering around the edges of Alexander Graham Belle's communication 827 00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:21,040 Speaker 1: devices are mark TONI in eight in the first telegram 828 00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:23,640 Speaker 1: at the at the speed of a radio waves. Big deal. 829 00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:28,799 Speaker 1: This is what I'm talking about now is truly disruptive. 830 00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:31,000 Speaker 1: Now we need it. We should have been disrupted with 831 00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:34,919 Speaker 1: these technologies and the twenties, forties, fifties. Now we're really 832 00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:39,880 Speaker 1: running out of time, both geophysically and geo politically. Um, 833 00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:43,280 Speaker 1: we can't really just pass this on for another fifty 834 00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:47,200 Speaker 1: years to the next generation. So I tell people, who 835 00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:50,880 Speaker 1: are the scientists and technology people working on this. Uh. 836 00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,400 Speaker 1: Back when we first founded the Orion project, I didn't 837 00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:57,480 Speaker 1: have anyone on my team who could return to a 838 00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:00,719 Speaker 1: research team who would put their life's work into doing 839 00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:03,400 Speaker 1: one of these things and say hey, you know, here's 840 00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,719 Speaker 1: compensation for your effort, and now let us take it 841 00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,479 Speaker 1: open source. We I do have people on my team 842 00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,480 Speaker 1: that can do that. Now, if there's something that's legitimate 843 00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:16,920 Speaker 1: and can be tested independently, reproduced independently, and which they 844 00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:20,360 Speaker 1: will allow us to massively disclose. That last thing is 845 00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:23,200 Speaker 1: the big one, because if it's not massively disclosed, if 846 00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:26,680 Speaker 1: it if it's perpept very under wraps in secrets, it's 847 00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:28,360 Speaker 1: going to be the tree that fell in the woods 848 00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:31,160 Speaker 1: that nobody heard. And I think over the last fifty 849 00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:33,840 Speaker 1: to a hundred years, there have been literally thousands of 850 00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:37,160 Speaker 1: these technologies that have come and gone and have been 851 00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:42,320 Speaker 1: vacuumed up, hoovered up by corporations and the intelligence community 852 00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:45,520 Speaker 1: to try to keep them secret. I mean mainstream scientific 853 00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:49,719 Speaker 1: organizations like the American UH Federation of American Scientists have 854 00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:53,920 Speaker 1: stated there's at least five thousand, one thirty five patents 855 00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:56,839 Speaker 1: that have been confiscated through the patent Office, and those 856 00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,799 Speaker 1: are of systems that have gone to patent. I know 857 00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,960 Speaker 1: many inventors that never got to patent, but they were 858 00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,600 Speaker 1: just quietly working on these technologies and they got a 859 00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:08,359 Speaker 1: knock on the door or a national security order sent 860 00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:11,760 Speaker 1: to them, like stan Liar did for his Toroy system, 861 00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:15,880 Speaker 1: this doughnut shaped free energy magnetic system, and have just 862 00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:19,440 Speaker 1: disappeared even before they went to the patent process. So 863 00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:22,920 Speaker 1: there are thousands more. It's conservative to say there are 864 00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:26,600 Speaker 1: probably tens of thousands of these that have come and gone. 865 00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:30,799 Speaker 1: And the reason they have never reached the public is 866 00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:34,879 Speaker 1: because the people who are the scientists and engineers and 867 00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:39,120 Speaker 1: the and the people funding them don't understand a strategy 868 00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:41,680 Speaker 1: to get them out to the public. They don't understand 869 00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:45,759 Speaker 1: the unique strategic threat and that that what's called the 870 00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:49,040 Speaker 1: threat matrix, that it's out there, and this is something 871 00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:52,719 Speaker 1: that I've spent twenty seven years studying. All I can 872 00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:55,160 Speaker 1: do is advise people. So far, no one has taken 873 00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:58,000 Speaker 1: our advice. They all want to sort of be uh, 874 00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:00,920 Speaker 1: the next Rockefeller of energy and and try to get 875 00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:03,560 Speaker 1: rich quick off these things. And I tell people, well, 876 00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:06,880 Speaker 1: you know what, let's do this like get hub or 877 00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:10,960 Speaker 1: Unix or some of these operating systems that are open source. 878 00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:14,319 Speaker 1: They can still eventually be monetized and they can still 879 00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:19,000 Speaker 1: eventually create revenue for your your group, but don't keep 880 00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:21,440 Speaker 1: it secret. It's got to be something that it belongs 881 00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:24,000 Speaker 1: to every man, woman and child on planet Earth at 882 00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:27,319 Speaker 1: the beginning. UM, and that's when I'm recommending. So far, 883 00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:29,759 Speaker 1: no one's taken us up on that offer. And if 884 00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:31,680 Speaker 1: you guys know anyone who is ready to, you know, 885 00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:34,319 Speaker 1: they should give me a call yesterday. If you're out 886 00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:37,080 Speaker 1: there listening and you have a device such as this, 887 00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:40,399 Speaker 1: you can write to us conspiracy at how stuff Works 888 00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:43,440 Speaker 1: dot com, or you can contact Dr Greer at our 889 00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:46,279 Speaker 1: website is Serious Disclosure dot com. S I R I 890 00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:49,960 Speaker 1: U S Disclosure dot com. So there's a part in 891 00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:52,560 Speaker 1: the film and acknowledge that really struck me when I 892 00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:54,200 Speaker 1: was watching it, and I didn't feel like it was 893 00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:57,040 Speaker 1: addressed as as deeply as as I at least I 894 00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:59,640 Speaker 1: had questions about. UM. So let me see if you 895 00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:01,000 Speaker 1: can find up in this a little bit. There's a 896 00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:04,480 Speaker 1: part that touches on the possibility that these intelligent beings 897 00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:07,560 Speaker 1: may not be traveling from distant worlds to visit Earth, 898 00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:11,400 Speaker 1: but are instead visiting from other dimensions. UM, can you 899 00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:15,480 Speaker 1: talk a little bit about the multidimensional concept and how 900 00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:18,680 Speaker 1: it operates and how maybe that also figures into this 901 00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:22,160 Speaker 1: idea of the technology that's far more advanced than anything 902 00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:26,120 Speaker 1: we can wrap our heads around. All interstellar civilizations are 903 00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:30,920 Speaker 1: transdimensional or interdimensional. To go from one star system to another, 904 00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:33,839 Speaker 1: you have to go beyond the speed of light. When 905 00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:36,520 Speaker 1: you go through what I call the crossing point of light, 906 00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:42,839 Speaker 1: you are in other dimensions. Now, there are also intelligences 907 00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:47,960 Speaker 1: that are interdimensional but are not extraterrestrial. They don't originate 908 00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:52,799 Speaker 1: on a as we would describe physical planet or star system, 909 00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:56,520 Speaker 1: but they reside in other dimensions. These two things are 910 00:56:56,560 --> 00:57:00,560 Speaker 1: conflated all the time, and I think that this is 911 00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:05,200 Speaker 1: I call it cosmological indigestion because people lack of proper 912 00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:09,560 Speaker 1: differential diagnosis is what we'd say in medicine. Um, it's 913 00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:11,480 Speaker 1: a little bit like if someone comes into my e 914 00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:14,799 Speaker 1: er uh and they have chest pain, and the only 915 00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:17,960 Speaker 1: diagnosis I have is heart attack, and there are a 916 00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:22,400 Speaker 1: hundreds fifteen other things that could be dissecting thoratic aneurysm 917 00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:26,600 Speaker 1: like blah blah blah. So what has happened in the 918 00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:29,720 Speaker 1: people looking into this subject is that they have to 919 00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:37,960 Speaker 1: understand there are extraterrestrial biological entities with extraterrestrial vehicles from 920 00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:41,960 Speaker 1: other planets and star systems. If they've reached the ability 921 00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:45,120 Speaker 1: to go beyond the speed of light, they are by 922 00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:50,160 Speaker 1: definition also interdimensional. They're crossing to other dimensions. But people 923 00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:53,440 Speaker 1: also have experiences with all kinds of weird things that 924 00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:56,960 Speaker 1: are from other dimensions that are not quote unquote from 925 00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:00,959 Speaker 1: a physical star system and planet. Does this make sense 926 00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:04,800 Speaker 1: to you, I see what you're saying there. Yeah, absolutely 927 00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:09,280 Speaker 1: of the concept, it's a it's a very important distinction. 928 00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:12,760 Speaker 1: So what I what I think that people, and I 929 00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:16,240 Speaker 1: don't want to confuse the audience too much, but basically 930 00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:22,240 Speaker 1: what I say is all interstellar civilizations are interdimensional, but 931 00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:27,680 Speaker 1: not all interdimensional beings are extraterrestrial. Got you? I think 932 00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:30,040 Speaker 1: what when? What was getting at was there was a 933 00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:32,720 Speaker 1: there was a part where they're discussing nuclear weapons and 934 00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:37,080 Speaker 1: detonating and testing nuclear weapons on Earth, and one one 935 00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:42,680 Speaker 1: interviewee uh mentions that perhaps we're causing more damage on 936 00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:45,680 Speaker 1: a higher dimension if you're talking first, second, third, fourth, 937 00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:47,680 Speaker 1: and higher. Well, in the way it's that came up 938 00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:50,240 Speaker 1: to me was almost as though it were like another 939 00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:54,360 Speaker 1: timeline where there was a more extreme version of something 940 00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:57,160 Speaker 1: that we had done in this reality and the idea 941 00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:59,760 Speaker 1: of like, well, yes, and it's both. It's it's that 942 00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:04,360 Speaker 1: it's those sort of events and the electromagnetic pulse and 943 00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:08,600 Speaker 1: then things that aren't normally measured by scientists in nuclear experiments, 944 00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:12,840 Speaker 1: energies that go they do then cross interdimensional. And that's 945 00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:15,520 Speaker 1: why Gordon Crichton was the name of that witness who 946 00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:18,040 Speaker 1: I personally interviewed at his own prior to his death. 947 00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:21,400 Speaker 1: He had been a British intelligence and Foreign Service official 948 00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:27,360 Speaker 1: who who ironically I knew about this in his official capacities, 949 00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:31,200 Speaker 1: and then began to publish an old UFO magazine called 950 00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:36,080 Speaker 1: Flying Saucer Review, which Prince Philip and Prince Charles subscribed 951 00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:39,160 Speaker 1: to until he stopped publishing. He told me this personally, 952 00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:44,120 Speaker 1: so um interesting when Gordon said that it's the statement 953 00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:47,360 Speaker 1: is pregnant with with implications, but basically what he was 954 00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:50,320 Speaker 1: saying is that you know, if you look at sort 955 00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:53,440 Speaker 1: of the ancient alien concept, that there's evidence that there 956 00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:57,240 Speaker 1: have been extraterrestrial civilizations observing or involved with the planet 957 00:59:57,280 --> 01:00:01,120 Speaker 1: for thousands, past millions of years, but the modern arab 958 01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:06,560 Speaker 1: really got launched when we started detonating atomic and thermal 959 01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:10,560 Speaker 1: nuclear weapons. Why, well, one may be what he's bringing up, 960 01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:14,520 Speaker 1: that it may be doing disruptions in dimensions that we're 961 01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:18,960 Speaker 1: not even aware of yet. Number Two, it indicates that 962 01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:22,479 Speaker 1: we have reached the ability, as we would say in 963 01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:25,480 Speaker 1: in in psychiatry and medicine, where we become a danger 964 01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:29,640 Speaker 1: to ourselves and others, in other words, were collectively insane 965 01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:33,880 Speaker 1: and crazy because we have weapons, we have technologies we've 966 01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:37,360 Speaker 1: developed that have then been weaponized that could terminate all 967 01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:41,400 Speaker 1: life on Earth, but also could be an existential threat 968 01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:45,200 Speaker 1: to other civilizations out there. So I think that when 969 01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:49,000 Speaker 1: we began to play around with these uh weapons of 970 01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:52,720 Speaker 1: mass destructions in the forties and fifties and went from 971 01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:56,000 Speaker 1: atomic weapons to then hydrogen bombs, which are a hundred 972 01:00:56,040 --> 01:01:00,480 Speaker 1: thousand times more damaging, this began to be a very 973 01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:05,160 Speaker 1: big concern to extraterrestrial civilizations that probably have been observing 974 01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:08,200 Speaker 1: us four thousands of years and perhaps millions of years. 975 01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:12,919 Speaker 1: And if it's a milestone that a civilization reaches, such 976 01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:15,760 Speaker 1: as ours, where we have to make a decision, are 977 01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:18,800 Speaker 1: we going to live together in peace with each other? 978 01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:21,440 Speaker 1: Do what Michik who is called to become a level 979 01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:25,440 Speaker 1: one civilization were a level zero because we're still fighting 980 01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:29,480 Speaker 1: and destroying the biosphere, but become a level one civilization 981 01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:33,560 Speaker 1: that has global peace and is not destroying the environment 982 01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:36,320 Speaker 1: for us to have a technological society, or are we 983 01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:39,560 Speaker 1: going to stay a level of zero civilization where we 984 01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:42,840 Speaker 1: become not only a threat to all life on Earth, 985 01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:47,360 Speaker 1: but now that we're going into space, are perceived as 986 01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:51,440 Speaker 1: a potential threat to other star systems and planetary systems. Well, 987 01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:54,120 Speaker 1: it seems like the existential threats are such a big 988 01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:59,640 Speaker 1: part of quote unquote, you know, development and progress as 989 01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:02,680 Speaker 1: we see it on Earth and in our society, and 990 01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:05,480 Speaker 1: we're dealing with a whole lot of technologies and things 991 01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:09,520 Speaker 1: that were maybe advancing faster than we should without fully 992 01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:12,400 Speaker 1: considering the implications of what they mean, things like you know, 993 01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:17,000 Speaker 1: nanotechnology and artificial intelligence and like you mentioned nuclear weapons. 994 01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:22,040 Speaker 1: I mean, is there a sense on some level that 995 01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:27,600 Speaker 1: we may be in danger of being looked at by 996 01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:33,120 Speaker 1: these civilizations um as a such an existential threat that 997 01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:36,560 Speaker 1: we may be in danger of potentially being a target 998 01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:39,880 Speaker 1: for annihilation because of all of these things that we 999 01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:45,880 Speaker 1: are doing without fully grasping the potential for great harm, 1000 01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:49,720 Speaker 1: not only to our planet. But others, well, I can't 1001 01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:51,400 Speaker 1: speak to you know, it depends on what we do 1002 01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:53,840 Speaker 1: in the future. But I can say if you look 1003 01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:58,560 Speaker 1: at the past seventy five years or so seventy years UM, 1004 01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:02,400 Speaker 1: since the forties, but we we we are viewed as 1005 01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:05,760 Speaker 1: a threat. But if they had that as their main 1006 01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:12,040 Speaker 1: operating uh philosophy, let's call it, there would have been 1007 01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:16,440 Speaker 1: no question we would have been stood down in UM. 1008 01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:19,640 Speaker 1: But the reason, you know, and there's an interesting little vinyon. 1009 01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:22,000 Speaker 1: I was at Wright Patterson Air Force Space doing a 1010 01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:25,800 Speaker 1: briefing with the a colonel and Air Force intelligence people 1011 01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:28,680 Speaker 1: there in the section that hold a lot of the 1012 01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:33,120 Speaker 1: materials from Roswell and elsewhere and UM. The meeting was 1013 01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:36,400 Speaker 1: set up by the head of intelligence for the Joint Staff, 1014 01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:39,640 Speaker 1: who ordered the head of the Air Force to make 1015 01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:42,800 Speaker 1: it happen, and they were not happy about it. UM. 1016 01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:45,760 Speaker 1: But the man asked me, the colonel asked me, well, 1017 01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:49,040 Speaker 1: what if these civilizations are a threat to us? I said, 1018 01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:51,240 Speaker 1: I think it's the other way around. We are viewed 1019 01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:55,720 Speaker 1: as a threat to ourselves and to them potentially, and 1020 01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:58,280 Speaker 1: that we need to figure out how to lift peacefully 1021 01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:02,919 Speaker 1: and go into space peacefully. Or it could be problematic. 1022 01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:07,600 Speaker 1: And the intelligence officer of the civilian was writing furiously 1023 01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:11,680 Speaker 1: as I was speaking answering the colonel's question, and one 1024 01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:14,280 Speaker 1: of the things I said is that if that was 1025 01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:19,480 Speaker 1: really their intent, and they were by nature that hostile, 1026 01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:23,120 Speaker 1: it would have been point set matching over uh in 1027 01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:27,440 Speaker 1: August of n when we dropped the first STOM equipment. 1028 01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:30,480 Speaker 1: I think that, you know, I said, the fact that 1029 01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:33,200 Speaker 1: we're still breathing the free air of Earth doing all 1030 01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:35,919 Speaker 1: the stupid things that we are doing as a civilization, 1031 01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:40,520 Speaker 1: destroying the biosphere, endless wars, weapons of mass star shows 1032 01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:44,600 Speaker 1: how amazingly restrained they are. Because you're dealing with civilizations 1033 01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:47,480 Speaker 1: that are hundreds of thousands and millions of years or 1034 01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:50,960 Speaker 1: more developed than we are, so being able to sort 1035 01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:55,320 Speaker 1: of deal with this problem, you know what, the human 1036 01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:58,680 Speaker 1: situation would be very simple. The fact that they haven't 1037 01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:03,920 Speaker 1: is wrecked evidence that they are not that way by nature. However, 1038 01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:06,960 Speaker 1: now this is the big However, if we were to 1039 01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:09,680 Speaker 1: reach the point that we would be going out into 1040 01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:13,360 Speaker 1: space more and more, is a threat to them or 1041 01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:17,000 Speaker 1: to other peaceful planets that have reached level one or 1042 01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:21,200 Speaker 1: level two or level three levels of enlightened civilizations that 1043 01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:24,680 Speaker 1: could change. So I think that this is why this 1044 01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:28,760 Speaker 1: is another reason why disclosure is so important, and calmer 1045 01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:31,680 Speaker 1: heads need to prevail, and we have to figure out 1046 01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:34,280 Speaker 1: how are we going to live on this planet together 1047 01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:36,760 Speaker 1: in peace? And how are we going to go out 1048 01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:42,080 Speaker 1: into space peacefully? And that it's interesting. There's really one 1049 01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:45,960 Speaker 1: possible long term future and that's one of what I 1050 01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:49,360 Speaker 1: call universal peace, not only peace on Earth, but peace 1051 01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:53,280 Speaker 1: and space. And anything short of that is annihilation. So 1052 01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:55,160 Speaker 1: I think that, you know, we have a choice to make. 1053 01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:57,840 Speaker 1: Do we want to choose annihilation or do we want 1054 01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:02,000 Speaker 1: to choose going forward with thousands of years as a 1055 01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:05,919 Speaker 1: peaceful and enlightened civilization. I think that is the big 1056 01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:08,320 Speaker 1: choice that every man, woman, a child on Earth in 1057 01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:12,320 Speaker 1: is facing. You know, Dr Greer, I love that you 1058 01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:17,200 Speaker 1: point that out, because this is anticipating one of the 1059 01:06:17,240 --> 01:06:21,000 Speaker 1: biggest questions we wanted to ask, which is a future 1060 01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:24,400 Speaker 1: oriented there? What is the uh? You know, what do 1061 01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:28,040 Speaker 1: you see if we were speculating over the next uh, 1062 01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:30,760 Speaker 1: let's say short term, the next five years, are there 1063 01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:36,000 Speaker 1: any milestones that the audience should be on the lookout for. 1064 01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:41,840 Speaker 1: I think number one, the audience needs to become activists. 1065 01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:46,480 Speaker 1: So if for example, I'm going to be on coast 1066 01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:50,040 Speaker 1: to coast on Friday, they might have five million people listening. 1067 01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:52,960 Speaker 1: If each of those people got the book in the film, 1068 01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:55,040 Speaker 1: or even once to our site and made a donation, 1069 01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:57,320 Speaker 1: we'd be able to open the Energy Lab this year. 1070 01:06:57,960 --> 01:07:00,240 Speaker 1: And a lot of people want to be entertained with 1071 01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:04,000 Speaker 1: shock and dribble on this subject. What I think people 1072 01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:07,120 Speaker 1: need to begin to understand is that that that the 1073 01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:11,920 Speaker 1: passivity is sitting around looking at boob tube, YouTube and 1074 01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:16,240 Speaker 1: other things and just consuming the latest sensational thing on 1075 01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:21,120 Speaker 1: Guya TV or elsewhere really needs to get transformed into 1076 01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:26,520 Speaker 1: genuine activism UM. And I think people need to begin to, 1077 01:07:27,160 --> 01:07:30,000 Speaker 1: you know, walk the walk on this. So I would 1078 01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:32,960 Speaker 1: say that that's what people need to start asking themselves. 1079 01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:37,479 Speaker 1: And that's the first thing. The second thing is things 1080 01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:40,600 Speaker 1: that you would be concerned about in the future are 1081 01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:43,200 Speaker 1: things that I've observed in the last eighteen months, And 1082 01:07:43,240 --> 01:07:48,760 Speaker 1: that is a ratcheting up books, articles and figures going 1083 01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:53,600 Speaker 1: out into the public domain, UM, sort of presenting this 1084 01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:58,000 Speaker 1: sort of fierce threat alien threat that Bernavon Brown in 1085 01:07:58,040 --> 01:08:00,360 Speaker 1: my teen seventy four warned about that would be a 1086 01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:03,840 Speaker 1: complete lie in a hoax UM. And I think that 1087 01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:06,800 Speaker 1: that is quickening, that the case of that is quickening. 1088 01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:11,640 Speaker 1: So I'm concerned that a disclosure will happen that serves 1089 01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:14,160 Speaker 1: the agenda of those who kept a secret. And I 1090 01:08:14,160 --> 01:08:18,960 Speaker 1: wrote a paper in the nineties called When Disclosure Serves Secrecy. 1091 01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:21,559 Speaker 1: It's on our website on serious disclosure dot com. I 1092 01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:24,719 Speaker 1: recommend people read it, and it's an analysis of how 1093 01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:30,360 Speaker 1: disclosure could be hijacked and turned into um, a sort 1094 01:08:30,360 --> 01:08:34,880 Speaker 1: of a fearfest of everything alien that would of course 1095 01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:39,640 Speaker 1: benefit the same war momitoring and war profiteering fascists that 1096 01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:42,599 Speaker 1: have been ruling the planet since World War Two. So 1097 01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:45,679 Speaker 1: I think that the public needs to be very aware 1098 01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:49,679 Speaker 1: that that's being fast tracked. I made this film because 1099 01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:52,400 Speaker 1: the heads up I've gotten that that is the fast 1100 01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:55,880 Speaker 1: tracked and we need to do something to avert that disaster. 1101 01:08:56,160 --> 01:08:59,240 Speaker 1: Well said Dr Greer, We want to I want to 1102 01:08:59,360 --> 01:09:02,439 Speaker 1: thank you so very much for taking the time to 1103 01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:05,799 Speaker 1: speak with us today and for everyone out there listening 1104 01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:09,640 Speaker 1: if you would like to learn more about the Disclosure 1105 01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:13,640 Speaker 1: Project in the future of government secrecy and all of 1106 01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:16,479 Speaker 1: the other things that have been treated as rumors in 1107 01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:20,519 Speaker 1: the mainstream media. Then do check out Unacknowledged nextpose of 1108 01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:24,759 Speaker 1: the World's Greatest Secret. It's available now on iTunes, Amazon Video, 1109 01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:28,360 Speaker 1: Google Play, and Voodoo. It will be on demand on 1110 01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:41,600 Speaker 1: May twe that's a wild ride. Huh. Yes, certainly is fascinating. 1111 01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:44,479 Speaker 1: I'm going to spend hours and hours just doing more 1112 01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:49,080 Speaker 1: research on a lot of topics, he trust me, folks, Well, 1113 01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:52,320 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we created just a little insider 1114 01:09:52,320 --> 01:09:55,120 Speaker 1: baseball here. We created a document that was fairly long 1115 01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:57,720 Speaker 1: when we were looking at Dr Greer and all of 1116 01:09:57,720 --> 01:10:00,479 Speaker 1: the stuff that they cover in Unacknowledged, Like I said, 1117 01:10:00,479 --> 01:10:04,680 Speaker 1: a lot to unpack on many many levels. Yes, I 1118 01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:07,640 Speaker 1: just want to say right here, right after this, you 1119 01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:12,160 Speaker 1: may be you may be familiar with Serious Serious Disclosure, 1120 01:10:12,200 --> 01:10:15,600 Speaker 1: which was the previous documentary that Stephen Greer produced. I 1121 01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:17,559 Speaker 1: know I watched that. I think I think we watched 1122 01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:22,600 Speaker 1: that back in the day and back in the day anyway, 1123 01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:26,519 Speaker 1: that one focused a lot on what Dr Greer spoke 1124 01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:30,840 Speaker 1: about with contacting aliens with the close encounters of the 1125 01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:36,840 Speaker 1: fifth kind, and Unacknowledged was much more about the individual 1126 01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:42,120 Speaker 1: interviews of the Disclosure Project people, and that false flag 1127 01:10:42,280 --> 01:10:44,120 Speaker 1: attack that that he was speaking about at the end 1128 01:10:44,160 --> 01:10:47,760 Speaker 1: of the interview. There, yes, yes, yes, similar to uh, 1129 01:10:47,880 --> 01:10:52,559 Speaker 1: the concept in the original version of Watchman. That's right. 1130 01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:56,280 Speaker 1: So one of the things that we're very fortunate to 1131 01:10:56,400 --> 01:11:01,360 Speaker 1: explore with Dr Greer was the concept of um the 1132 01:11:01,479 --> 01:11:06,559 Speaker 1: nature rather the mechanism of secrecy and classification in the 1133 01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:11,599 Speaker 1: US government. And we want to be clear that not 1134 01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:18,240 Speaker 1: every government or every state works the same way, especially 1135 01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:23,400 Speaker 1: with regard to the concept of these special access projects. 1136 01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:31,240 Speaker 1: That's compartmentalization, right, And so you may recall hearing Dr 1137 01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:35,559 Speaker 1: Greer say that someone was read onto a file or 1138 01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:39,200 Speaker 1: something like that. We do want to verify for you 1139 01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:43,880 Speaker 1: and confirm that it is. It is absolutely true that 1140 01:11:44,200 --> 01:11:49,640 Speaker 1: the president you vote for, the congressional representative that you 1141 01:11:49,640 --> 01:11:55,400 Speaker 1: you know, go door to door campaigning for, can easily 1142 01:11:56,880 --> 01:12:02,600 Speaker 1: not no, can easily and eleagally not know something that 1143 01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:05,280 Speaker 1: is going on. At least in the case of the 1144 01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:08,599 Speaker 1: US government. It is very much a left hand doesn't 1145 01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:12,560 Speaker 1: know what the right hand is doing situation. And additionally, 1146 01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:16,160 Speaker 1: Dr grim did bring up one of my favorite facts, 1147 01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:22,960 Speaker 1: which is so crazy and so often ignored and so true. 1148 01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:27,280 Speaker 1: This government, the US government does have the right when 1149 01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:30,880 Speaker 1: you apply for a patent. So let's say Matt invents 1150 01:12:31,479 --> 01:12:38,559 Speaker 1: what's something amazing, free energy? Matt invents a free energy alright, perfect, 1151 01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:42,320 Speaker 1: So Matt invents a free energy widget and he files 1152 01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:47,559 Speaker 1: a patent. If it is seen as something that could 1153 01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:54,599 Speaker 1: be contradicting the interests of national security, then not only 1154 01:12:54,680 --> 01:12:58,800 Speaker 1: can that patent be suppressed, not only will he lose 1155 01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:02,080 Speaker 1: ownership of it, that he will also get hit with 1156 01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:04,519 Speaker 1: a gag order which does not allow them to talk 1157 01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:09,120 Speaker 1: about this is a real thing that happens. This, of course, 1158 01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:14,080 Speaker 1: spread so much fuel to the fire of people who 1159 01:13:14,160 --> 01:13:18,320 Speaker 1: have conspiracies about technological suppression. One. It's one of those 1160 01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:22,000 Speaker 1: things to where like what constitutes a real and present 1161 01:13:22,120 --> 01:13:24,920 Speaker 1: threat to national security that could be up to some 1162 01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:29,240 Speaker 1: very high level individuals to determine, possibly for nefarious purposes, 1163 01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:33,240 Speaker 1: and like just swiping that for their own use. Oh yeah, definitely, 1164 01:13:33,479 --> 01:13:36,439 Speaker 1: And if you're interested in that stuff. We have several 1165 01:13:36,439 --> 01:13:41,559 Speaker 1: episodes in the past about specifically those topics. Uh, I 1166 01:13:41,560 --> 01:13:44,519 Speaker 1: think stan Meyer was brought up as h Yeah, stan 1167 01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:48,519 Speaker 1: Meyer was definitely the inventor of the water powered car allegedly. Yeah, 1168 01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:51,759 Speaker 1: but what Stephen Greer focused on is that terroidal device 1169 01:13:52,120 --> 01:13:55,880 Speaker 1: that was like the the main thing I guess um. 1170 01:13:56,160 --> 01:13:57,640 Speaker 1: Check out our episodes if you want to learn more 1171 01:13:57,640 --> 01:14:02,080 Speaker 1: about that stuff. And that's the end of this classic episode. 1172 01:14:02,120 --> 01:14:05,960 Speaker 1: If you have any thoughts or questions about this episode, 1173 01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:08,400 Speaker 1: you can get into contact with us in a number 1174 01:14:08,439 --> 01:14:10,439 Speaker 1: of different ways. One of the best is to give 1175 01:14:10,479 --> 01:14:13,080 Speaker 1: us a call. Our number is one eight three three 1176 01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:16,240 Speaker 1: std w y t K. 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