WEBVTT - Darren Waller 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:02.520 This episode of Busting with the Boys. The Boys is 0:00:02.520 --> 0:00:06.960 presented by Barstool Sports. There's no there's no commercializing to 0:00:07.000 --> 0:00:10.680 this thing. We just talking too the mics be for 0:00:10.760 --> 0:00:14.560 the boys, tell stories, and we do whatever we want 0:00:15.760 --> 0:00:20.360 because it's our podcast, you know what I'm saying. It's 0:00:20.360 --> 0:00:23.040 not like I think I think Russell Wilson has a podcast. 0:00:23.040 --> 0:00:26.000 It might be through the Seahawks. I know Kirk Cousins 0:00:26.000 --> 0:00:29.840 does it. I think it's through the Vikings. But like, yeah, bro, 0:00:30.000 --> 0:00:32.640 we do whatever we want on here. So there's no like, 0:00:32.680 --> 0:00:35.960 there's no stress or anything about nothing. 0:00:36.159 --> 0:00:37.360 I feel like there are a lot of podcasts that 0:00:37.400 --> 0:00:38.400 need to make people happy. 0:00:38.880 --> 0:00:40.360 There's a lot of podcasts or what. 0:00:40.280 --> 0:00:42.760 They need to make people happy, like with advertisements, and 0:00:42.760 --> 0:00:43.880 they gotta do a whole bunch of shit. 0:00:44.000 --> 0:00:44.839 Yeah, just to stay. 0:00:45.200 --> 0:00:46.960 Right, Well, we'll have to do that, like we've been 0:00:46.960 --> 0:00:50.639 doing the whole advertising thing, like Barstools sends us like adreads, Hey, 0:00:50.640 --> 0:00:52.400 these are going to be your ad reads for the week, 0:00:52.760 --> 0:00:55.920 but we will record them separately because everything we do 0:00:56.040 --> 0:00:58.840 is backlogged, you know what I mean. So like your episode, 0:00:58.840 --> 0:01:01.480 we honestly have no idea when that might come out, 0:01:01.880 --> 0:01:05.840 and the time years rolls around, we won't do ad 0:01:05.880 --> 0:01:08.600 reads right now because it could be somebody different a 0:01:08.640 --> 0:01:11.440 month from now. So we just basically say, you know, 0:01:11.800 --> 0:01:15.440 we'll just find some segment where you'll slowly go off 0:01:15.440 --> 0:01:18.840 and then you'll hear our ad reads. And we've done adreades. 0:01:18.840 --> 0:01:21.120 I was in Arizona this last week with Taylor and 0:01:21.200 --> 0:01:24.000 we both did like different ad reads. Right. I've been 0:01:24.000 --> 0:01:27.760 in the well going back and forth with bloss and 0:01:27.800 --> 0:01:30.840 I'll be like, I did ad reads once where I 0:01:30.880 --> 0:01:33.480 was in I was in the closet of our hotel 0:01:33.560 --> 0:01:37.199 room before games the day before games to do ad reids, 0:01:37.319 --> 0:01:38.720 just because you know how quiet it has to be 0:01:38.760 --> 0:01:40.800 for like mics and stuff, and you'll get ad reads 0:01:40.800 --> 0:01:42.720 and boss but hey, we need to get these by 0:01:42.880 --> 0:01:44.280 X time. And I'll be like, all right, I'll get them. 0:01:44.280 --> 0:01:46.679 We'll like travel to our away game and I'll just 0:01:46.720 --> 0:01:49.360 be in the hotel room at like snack after snack, 0:01:49.680 --> 0:01:52.040 and I'll just like close myself in the closet and 0:01:52.160 --> 0:01:56.320 do like ad reads. You know, I don't know what 0:01:56.400 --> 0:01:58.680 all the recorders you have for everybody listening, Darren is 0:01:58.760 --> 0:02:01.240 actually in the you're in the music industry. 0:02:01.960 --> 0:02:04.400 I wouldn't say that I make music because I like 0:02:04.440 --> 0:02:06.440 to make music. I don't consider myself part of the 0:02:06.480 --> 0:02:09.079 music industry. My music is on streaming platforms, but I 0:02:09.120 --> 0:02:10.200 don't think I'm part of an industry. 0:02:10.240 --> 0:02:12.200 When you say your music is on streaming platforms, what 0:02:12.200 --> 0:02:14.040 does that mean? Do you make beats? Do you rap? 0:02:15.080 --> 0:02:16.440 I make beats? I rap? 0:02:16.560 --> 0:02:19.000 Yeah, But by saying it's on streaming platforms, it's on 0:02:19.320 --> 0:02:21.880 Apple Music, it's on Spotify, it's on you Are anything 0:02:21.919 --> 0:02:22.600 you can stream it on. 0:02:22.760 --> 0:02:25.360 Yeah, all of them shout it out. What do we got? 0:02:25.520 --> 0:02:28.160 We got better call Wall It came out on Christmas 0:02:28.240 --> 0:02:29.240 Day twenty seventeen. 0:02:29.280 --> 0:02:30.240 That was my first project. 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:33.720 My second project I released on my birthday this past 0:02:33.760 --> 0:02:36.959 season in September, is called Wall Street. Go get both 0:02:37.000 --> 0:02:39.600 of those right now. Go get both of those right now. 0:02:39.680 --> 0:02:42.120 Videos on the way, visuals on the way. You already 0:02:42.160 --> 0:02:43.880 know time let's go. 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:47.000 Hey, but this is what this is like a big 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:49.160 reason why we want to bust with the boys. Obviously 0:02:49.200 --> 0:02:50.800 we're not like, hey, we need to have a platform 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:52.880 for everybody to say their stuff, like we want to 0:02:52.919 --> 0:02:55.000 have our podcast, yeah, but we wanted people to come 0:02:55.040 --> 0:02:58.000 on whatever they have going on we pub it because 0:02:58.360 --> 0:03:00.560 we're for the fucking boys, right, you know what I'm saying, 0:03:01.000 --> 0:03:03.800 cursing whatever we gotta say. Dude, this is a platform 0:03:03.840 --> 0:03:08.240 that's like exactly like I didn't know you had all 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:08.800 that going on. 0:03:09.280 --> 0:03:11.280 Yeah, I mean, like you say about the road trips, 0:03:11.320 --> 0:03:13.160 like that's when I was most productive. Like the whole 0:03:13.200 --> 0:03:15.639 flight to anywhere, I'm making beats the whole time, or 0:03:15.639 --> 0:03:18.560 writing something averse to a song. We get to the room, 0:03:18.960 --> 0:03:21.880 I'm making beats in my room after snack. I almost 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:25.079 missed the bus to the game. On road games multiple times, 0:03:25.120 --> 0:03:26.760 I'm just like making beats and I look at my phone. 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:29.440 I'm like, oh, showered. We leave at ten thirty. I 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:32.240 haven't even showered eight at ten am, and I'm I'm 0:03:32.280 --> 0:03:34.000 my computer just sitting there in my underwear, and it's 0:03:34.000 --> 0:03:35.400 just like, okay, let me get yo. 0:03:35.480 --> 0:03:38.360 And he's not lying either, like we would be. We'd 0:03:38.360 --> 0:03:40.360 be flying to away games and I would notice Darren 0:03:40.480 --> 0:03:44.200 sitting in his seat or whatever. He's got his laptop out, 0:03:44.200 --> 0:03:46.840 headphones on and doesn't talk to anybody and literally just 0:03:46.920 --> 0:03:49.680 makes beats. Or is that what you're doing? Making beats? Yeah, 0:03:49.840 --> 0:03:53.200 the entire flight I mean, we had some vicious flights. 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:55.560 So you guys flew. I mean I came aboard and 0:03:55.600 --> 0:03:58.200 it's like we're flying to New York, US fly as 0:03:58.240 --> 0:04:02.040 far as shit, it was far. Yeah, you guys flew 0:04:02.040 --> 0:04:02.840 to London and shit. 0:04:03.000 --> 0:04:04.720 Yeah we had Winnipeg in the preseason. 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:08.400 Yeah, you guys flew a lot different places. Whoop. But yeah, 0:04:08.520 --> 0:04:10.360 he was making beats the entire time, Like a five 0:04:10.400 --> 0:04:13.440 hour flight to New York. This man laptop open, headphones on, 0:04:13.560 --> 0:04:16.520 He's making beats. Flying back, he's making beats. 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:18.120 Yo. 0:04:18.240 --> 0:04:19.680 So you're heavy into the music game. 0:04:20.160 --> 0:04:22.440 Uh yeah, I mean I started like in twenty fifteen 0:04:22.920 --> 0:04:24.520 when I got to drafts to the Ravens and I 0:04:24.560 --> 0:04:25.360 was like super. 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:26.760 Boared there, didn't know anyone. 0:04:26.920 --> 0:04:28.800 So I was just like we used to freestyle all 0:04:28.800 --> 0:04:30.520 the time in college, just like someone put a beat 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:32.200 on and we'll go like two bars or four bars 0:04:32.240 --> 0:04:35.000 and pass it. And then so I was like I 0:04:35.000 --> 0:04:36.560 would give you like two bars or four bars, but 0:04:36.600 --> 0:04:38.640 I couldn't really freestyle. But then I was like I 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:40.000 can write to this shit and be good at it. 0:04:40.000 --> 0:04:40.960 And then I just started writing. 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:41.800 And then I was. 0:04:41.760 --> 0:04:45.839 Wrapping into the Apple EarPods into my Macwook on garage band. 0:04:45.839 --> 0:04:47.440 So I was just like wrapping into the headphone mic 0:04:48.320 --> 0:04:50.600 and started doing that. Then I like bought some cheap 0:04:50.600 --> 0:04:53.880 equipment and was wrapping in my closet in Baltimore. And 0:04:53.920 --> 0:04:56.240 then after that I started going to a dude who's 0:04:56.240 --> 0:04:58.800 a rapping from my high school, shot the Vibe God. 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:01.760 You said, I've got ye God Lamar Bridges. 0:05:01.920 --> 0:05:03.359 Is he a beast? Is he on social media? 0:05:03.560 --> 0:05:03.800 Yeah? 0:05:03.800 --> 0:05:05.599 He's he got a song with like a million a 0:05:05.640 --> 0:05:08.479 million plays. I remember the uh I think it's called 0:05:08.480 --> 0:05:11.240 good Vibes only shot the Vive God. I was rapping 0:05:11.279 --> 0:05:14.040 at his house, using his studio, and then I did 0:05:14.080 --> 0:05:16.080 a couple of songs there and it was like dudes 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:18.080 from like my high school there and they was like, man, 0:05:18.120 --> 0:05:19.880 this thing's rapping out, Like what is he doing that? 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:21.920 Like when they started rapping there was like oh ship, 0:05:21.960 --> 0:05:24.000 like he all right? And so then that gave me 0:05:24.040 --> 0:05:25.880 the confidence started going to like a real studio and 0:05:25.920 --> 0:05:27.800 then been doing it ever since. 0:05:27.920 --> 0:05:29.719 Isn't that weird how it works too? Like you have 0:05:29.839 --> 0:05:31.520 something you want to do, but you're kind of like 0:05:31.720 --> 0:05:35.080 super nervous. When you finally do something, Oh yeah, for that, 0:05:35.200 --> 0:05:38.400 like uh, validation from your boys. 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:40.080 Right, And plus it was like, you know, I was 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:42.120 always shaky, like as far as like college, I was 0:05:42.160 --> 0:05:43.880 getting suspended all time I got in the league. 0:05:44.000 --> 0:05:45.279 I had already been suspended once. 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:48.240 And then it was like he and I got suspended 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:49.440 for like the year, and it was like, oh, he 0:05:49.600 --> 0:05:51.440 rapping out, Like when ain't got a shit going on, 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:52.599 they come home and start rapping. 0:05:53.800 --> 0:05:57.479 They start they're thinking like, yo, he's really yeah, they're 0:05:57.680 --> 0:05:59.240 be looking at me like that. So we're going to 0:05:59.279 --> 0:06:02.240 get into that stuff later. But dude, that's sick. I 0:06:02.240 --> 0:06:04.080 didn't know you were like that deep. I actually name 0:06:04.160 --> 0:06:06.280 dropped you the other day. I was on the phone. 0:06:06.400 --> 0:06:08.200 I was on the phone with somebody from Barstool and 0:06:08.200 --> 0:06:11.080 we were talking. We were talking about I think they 0:06:11.120 --> 0:06:15.559 do projects for like they tie something in the youth, 0:06:15.839 --> 0:06:18.480 some charity in the youth with somebody who's in the 0:06:18.560 --> 0:06:21.720 music industry on the athlete platform. So they're talking about 0:06:22.640 --> 0:06:24.680 I think they're doing something like Rashaun Evans. He loves 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:27.280 the rap, so they're pairing him with like a youth 0:06:27.440 --> 0:06:30.840 cause at the children's Hospitals Vanderbilt, and they're gonna they 0:06:30.839 --> 0:06:33.360 make like a music video and kind of collab music 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:37.320 professional athlete with the with the youth, a youth program 0:06:37.400 --> 0:06:39.719 or youth charity. I don't know the one they're doing 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:42.240 with Rashwan, but I'm like, hey, I don't know if 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:47.000 you guys have trouble pairing athletes with youth in the 0:06:47.040 --> 0:06:50.039 community or a charity event, you know, for kids. But 0:06:50.120 --> 0:06:51.679 I was like, I know when I was on The Raiders, 0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:55.640 Darren Waller and Max Crosby are both in the music 0:06:55.640 --> 0:06:58.200 game heavy and they would be great to like, you know, 0:06:58.520 --> 0:06:59.880 names music video tie a K. 0:07:00.520 --> 0:07:03.080 Right, So I did shout you out it's a dope thing. 0:07:03.480 --> 0:07:05.160 So you might be making another music video. 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:06.360 I'm with it. 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:08.520 You just said you made how many music videos recently? 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:11.280 I've made three music videos in the last three weeks in. 0:07:11.280 --> 0:07:14.880 Part part of the fourth is all this in Atlanta? Yeah, 0:07:14.920 --> 0:07:17.520 it's all like right around Atlanta, like where the Brave Stadium. 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:19.720 It's called the Battery, and so I live like right 0:07:19.800 --> 0:07:23.400 around there, and there's a whole bunch of weird locations 0:07:23.440 --> 0:07:25.440 and places there that we've been taking advantage of. 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:28.080 Do you produce and you kind of write what you 0:07:28.120 --> 0:07:30.480 want to happen, or do you allow somebody else to 0:07:30.520 --> 0:07:31.800 do that, and you just kind of tie your music 0:07:31.800 --> 0:07:32.720 to or how does that work? 0:07:33.200 --> 0:07:35.160 So one of my best friends who's a producer, shout 0:07:35.160 --> 0:07:35.680 out the Fowler. 0:07:36.440 --> 0:07:38.480 Oh I love it, dude, the boys, let's go Fowler, 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:39.320 shout out Fowler. 0:07:39.400 --> 0:07:42.280 He makes He knew the video man that I started using, 0:07:42.640 --> 0:07:45.680 and so he would just have like a vision and 0:07:45.680 --> 0:07:47.080 then I would kind of like pitch into it and 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:48.280 then we just kind of combined. 0:07:49.400 --> 0:07:50.960 I got you. So then you guys kind of come 0:07:51.040 --> 0:07:53.840 up with scenes or however that works. Yeah, are you 0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:55.040 stunting on them with a bunch of. 0:07:56.200 --> 0:07:57.800 We did have the prop money shout out two and 0:07:57.840 --> 0:07:59.960 fifty K and prop money. For sure. We wanted to 0:08:00.320 --> 0:08:01.120 in one of the videos. 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:02.760 Oh no, awesome dude. 0:08:02.840 --> 0:08:04.440 But I had the music video a couple of years ago. 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:06.880 I was just playing around, like twenty seventeen. It was 0:08:06.880 --> 0:08:08.360 called Christmas Day. It's on YouTube. 0:08:08.760 --> 0:08:12.000 Okay, that was back in twenty seventeen. Yeah, it's on YouTube. 0:08:12.040 --> 0:08:12.800 Christmas Day. 0:08:13.360 --> 0:08:14.160 It's Christmas theme. 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:15.760 Do you have a YouTube channel? 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:18.920 I do not. I'm about to though these videos. 0:08:18.640 --> 0:08:20.920 I gotcha. So you'll just whatever you have, You'll just 0:08:20.920 --> 0:08:24.360 stream through Apple, Spotify or YouTube but you don't have 0:08:24.400 --> 0:08:26.440 a certain channel to put it all in yet correct, 0:08:26.720 --> 0:08:27.400 But that's coming. 0:08:27.680 --> 0:08:28.800 It's coming. I'm trying to learn. 0:08:29.320 --> 0:08:30.760 How many guys do you think are in like the 0:08:30.840 --> 0:08:33.959 music industry, in like sports or the NFL? Do you 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:35.520 know have a lot of guys? Do you like collaborate 0:08:35.559 --> 0:08:36.800 with any of the guys who are out there who 0:08:36.800 --> 0:08:37.319 are doing stuff? 0:08:37.480 --> 0:08:39.199 Nah, I haven't collaborated, but I mean I feel like 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:40.839 I see a new one, like all the time, Like 0:08:41.080 --> 0:08:44.640 you've seen like Le'Veon Bell been rapping. Yeah, I've seen 0:08:44.640 --> 0:08:46.040 then other day a dude from the Saints, like a 0:08:46.120 --> 0:08:48.880 defensive back, he was a rookie, Yeah, and he had 0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:51.240 a song that was out and like people were like 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:53.959 promoting it, and it's just like, I mean, I'm with it. 0:08:54.040 --> 0:08:56.200 Like do you keep your eye on guys in the 0:08:56.280 --> 0:08:58.000 NFL who go in the rap game or who are 0:08:58.040 --> 0:08:59.320 in kind of the music industry? 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:00.319 Really? 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:02.480 I mean, I just kind of do my own thing. 0:09:02.520 --> 0:09:04.240 I guess I'm not really worried about nobody else. I 0:09:04.280 --> 0:09:06.679 just do music because it like just the feeling I 0:09:06.679 --> 0:09:07.080 got of it. 0:09:07.200 --> 0:09:10.600 You just have a lot of passion for it. Yeah, passion, man, 0:09:12.559 --> 0:09:17.800 hear that A little weird little that was the seat. Yeah, dude, 0:09:17.800 --> 0:09:20.599 that's sick man. And now you're just like you're just 0:09:20.640 --> 0:09:22.520 making music all the time. You don't even care about 0:09:23.040 --> 0:09:25.040 you don't even care about that validation anymore because you 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:26.840 got it from a few piers and you're like, Okay, 0:09:26.840 --> 0:09:27.640 I got a shot at this. 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:29.440 Yeah, and then like doing the music of me with 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:31.439 my confidence too. It was just like, you know, that's 0:09:31.440 --> 0:09:33.040 something where it's like you could be in the booth 0:09:33.040 --> 0:09:34.200 and it could be a bunch of people like in 0:09:34.240 --> 0:09:36.120 the room while you're about to record something like that 0:09:36.200 --> 0:09:38.120 could be real different or like something that you like, 0:09:38.120 --> 0:09:39.600 I don't know how this is gonna sound. They could 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:41.280 laugh at me, but was just like fuck it, just 0:09:41.280 --> 0:09:42.120 go in there and lay it down. 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:44.079 Now you don't even worry about that anymore. Yeah, It's 0:09:44.120 --> 0:09:45.880 just it's crazy how that works. That was kind of 0:09:45.880 --> 0:09:50.000 how I was with the podcast. And fortunately my boy Taylor, 0:09:50.040 --> 0:09:53.280 who isn't with us today, wish he was here, but 0:09:53.480 --> 0:09:55.000 Taylor wanted to go in with me, so it kind 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:58.240 of gave me like, Okay, this can be easier because 0:09:58.280 --> 0:09:59.920 I have one of my boys doing it with me, 0:10:00.360 --> 0:10:02.200 and like a couple guys in the locker room Shout 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:04.520 Out Logan Logan, Ryan and Derek Morgan, those were a 0:10:04.559 --> 0:10:06.800 couple of them. But they were like, yo, come you 0:10:06.800 --> 0:10:08.920 should have a podcast like that would be dope and 0:10:08.960 --> 0:10:11.120 that like that. There I was like, okay, like now 0:10:11.200 --> 0:10:14.160 I should actually do it because you're always nervous, like 0:10:14.440 --> 0:10:17.280 when you do put yourself out there, because you you 0:10:17.280 --> 0:10:18.760 know what I mean, Like you have ideas, but you 0:10:18.840 --> 0:10:20.800 got to be like vulnerable enough to put yourself out 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:23.040 there to do it, and you just don't know how honestly, 0:10:23.040 --> 0:10:25.400 it's your peers. It's the people that are in the 0:10:25.400 --> 0:10:28.120 locker room with you when you walk in and your 0:10:28.160 --> 0:10:30.360 stuff is out there, are they going to tell you, yo, 0:10:30.480 --> 0:10:32.280 your shit is dope? Or are they gonna clown you 0:10:32.360 --> 0:10:34.760 for it? And then you're kind of like, hey, I 0:10:34.800 --> 0:10:37.520 don't know if I should do this anymore. But when 0:10:37.559 --> 0:10:40.040 I was on the Raiders, I forget, but certain guys 0:10:40.040 --> 0:10:41.280 would come up to me. They would kind of be 0:10:41.320 --> 0:10:43.280 like on the side when no one was around, they'd 0:10:43.320 --> 0:10:46.200 be like, hey, man, I put your YouTube on. I 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:47.960 watched one of your episodes last night, like, yo, your 0:10:47.960 --> 0:10:49.880 shit is fire. And so you're kind of like in 0:10:49.880 --> 0:10:52.440 your mind you're like, you know, you feel dope about it. 0:10:52.480 --> 0:10:55.720 You're like thank god, like you're kind of accepted in 0:10:55.800 --> 0:10:57.440 the locker room because if it was shitty, or if 0:10:57.480 --> 0:11:00.000 it's shitty or people going to clown on you, you're 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:01.360 like you don't even want to like be in the 0:11:01.400 --> 0:11:02.120 locker room, right. 0:11:02.160 --> 0:11:03.320 That was the kind of the music. 0:11:03.360 --> 0:11:05.480 It was like I kept telling people I was gonna 0:11:05.520 --> 0:11:07.360 drop on my birthday and they was like, oh, yeah, 0:11:07.400 --> 0:11:09.120 we wait, like we gonna see what that sounds like. 0:11:09.600 --> 0:11:10.840 You're like, man, I got this. 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:12.880 I'm gonna go record one or two more and make 0:11:12.920 --> 0:11:13.600 sure it's like. 0:11:13.880 --> 0:11:17.439 Yo, would you want a freestyle on the bus? You 0:11:18.440 --> 0:11:22.320 can write? You can write. I was gonna say, Max Crosby, 0:11:22.559 --> 0:11:25.640 who we're gonna have on? I told him he has 0:11:25.679 --> 0:11:27.680 to freestyle. You think Max is nice? 0:11:28.040 --> 0:11:29.120 Yeah? Max is solid. 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:32.480 When dudes were they so guys people in the locker room, 0:11:32.480 --> 0:11:34.240 Guys who like want to rap. They'll like have this 0:11:34.440 --> 0:11:36.960 huge like boom box and they'll play beat. They'll play 0:11:37.000 --> 0:11:38.920 songs all the time where they'll like run a beat 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:42.040 on YouTube and guys will just freestyle, like it'll be Friday, 0:11:42.040 --> 0:11:44.600 but all its freestyle Friday. You get done with your 0:11:44.600 --> 0:11:46.559 practice and everybody's fired up in the locker room, so 0:11:46.600 --> 0:11:49.040 they'll start playing beats and guys gotta grab the mic 0:11:49.080 --> 0:11:52.840 and freestyle. And I remember when Max did, I didn't 0:11:52.840 --> 0:11:54.880 even know it was Max doing it. Like you know, 0:11:55.000 --> 0:11:58.240 some guys are going, like Spook was going. I think, uh, 0:11:58.880 --> 0:12:00.439 I think Key Showing was going. 0:12:00.640 --> 0:12:01.280 Made the rookies go. 0:12:01.400 --> 0:12:04.320 Yeah, they make the rookies go. And then uh, I 0:12:04.360 --> 0:12:06.599 hear somebody go and I'm like, yo, who in the 0:12:06.640 --> 0:12:09.920 hell is that? And somebody's like, oh, that's Max Crosby. 0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:12.360 I was like, white boy, Max is out there freestyle. 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:14.800 They're like, yeah, Max can flow. But I told Max 0:12:14.840 --> 0:12:17.560 when he comes on, he has to freestyle. And he's like, 0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:19.560 I get to play my own beat though, And I 0:12:19.600 --> 0:12:21.840 was like, bro, however you want it set up you? 0:12:22.040 --> 0:12:24.679 I mean we want we wanted to be success. Yeah, 0:12:24.720 --> 0:12:26.079 we want you to be set up for success. 0:12:26.160 --> 0:12:26.439 Dude. 0:12:26.640 --> 0:12:28.360 He's like, all right, for sure, I'll for sure do it. 0:12:28.440 --> 0:12:29.320 But that's dope. 0:12:29.920 --> 0:12:34.240 Anyway, Off the music, where did you play? Where'd you 0:12:34.240 --> 0:12:36.600 play college ball? We got to start from like the beginning, 0:12:36.679 --> 0:12:37.520 So where'd you grow up? 0:12:37.640 --> 0:12:39.920 I grew up in Acworth, Georgia. No, one knows where 0:12:39.960 --> 0:12:42.960 that is, so I just say Atlanta is. It's thirty 0:12:43.000 --> 0:12:44.160 minutes north of Atlanta though. 0:12:44.280 --> 0:12:46.440 Okay, so where you live now, that's kind of where 0:12:46.480 --> 0:12:47.559 you're around where you grew. 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:49.720 Up, right, it's the same county like my parents moved. 0:12:49.960 --> 0:12:51.800 But uh, yes, the same county, Cop County. 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:54.600 Yeah, and where'd you go to high school? 0:12:54.640 --> 0:12:56.920 I went to North cop High School in Kennesaw, Georgia. 0:12:57.400 --> 0:12:59.400 Okay, I don't even know where that is, Honestly, I 0:12:59.440 --> 0:13:00.920 don't know why it's a question. You feel like I 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:03.360 gotta start with because so I want to. I gotta 0:13:03.440 --> 0:13:05.079 learn from the from the get go, because all I've 0:13:05.120 --> 0:13:07.800 seen on you is when we played the other, like 0:13:07.840 --> 0:13:10.840 those last eight weeks you stayed in the extended stay 0:13:10.920 --> 0:13:14.320 with me. Shout out that shitty extended stay no free shoutouts, God, 0:13:14.400 --> 0:13:15.480 how awful is that place? 0:13:16.040 --> 0:13:17.959 I mean, I'm a simple guy. I was cool with it. 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:21.840 The hallways smell like nicotine and like chunky soup. 0:13:21.920 --> 0:13:26.080 Like sure, yeah, I say homeless sex and cigarettes. Yeah, 0:13:26.400 --> 0:13:28.920 but yeah, you hey, remember that dude in the wheelchair 0:13:28.960 --> 0:13:31.160 that has like his little dog, and he'll like come out, 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:33.320 you know what I'm saying, And he would kind of 0:13:33.320 --> 0:13:35.200 cross you, and you you you're you feel like you're 0:13:35.240 --> 0:13:38.600 in a horror movie. Like you'd get snacks, you know, 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:41.160 there's like vending machines or you get like uber each 0:13:41.240 --> 0:13:43.360 or something or Postmates something, and you grab it and 0:13:43.360 --> 0:13:44.880 you get your food and you walk down the hallway 0:13:44.880 --> 0:13:47.199 and you start to like slide your key in the door, 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:49.440 and you like take a glance down the hall and 0:13:49.480 --> 0:13:52.040 that dude's just sitting there in his wheelchair looking at you. No, 0:13:52.080 --> 0:13:54.360 I'm not lying, I'm not joking. It's funny too, but 0:13:54.480 --> 0:13:56.560 also creepy. 0:13:56.600 --> 0:13:58.079 I just snap on some fans one day. 0:13:58.960 --> 0:14:01.040 Are you talking about the people that outside that's in 0:14:01.040 --> 0:14:02.400 between the extended saying the facility? 0:14:02.480 --> 0:14:06.480 Yeah, they were right outside the fence, and I would 0:14:06.559 --> 0:14:08.280 make the left out of the gate right. 0:14:08.240 --> 0:14:10.760 Because you're I don't want to sign stuff. 0:14:10.800 --> 0:14:12.640 I'm like today not to day like I usually do 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:14.959 most days. And then I see out the corner of 0:14:15.040 --> 0:14:17.480 my eye people dark like just start sprinting. I was like, 0:14:18.040 --> 0:14:19.200 I was like, I know they're going to meet me 0:14:19.240 --> 0:14:20.920 at the door. I was like, I'm not gonna blow 0:14:20.960 --> 0:14:22.320 up on them. I'm just gonna say it in a 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:24.520 very nice way. So I park and I see people 0:14:24.640 --> 0:14:26.480 running up, like ten of them, and I'm just like, 0:14:26.520 --> 0:14:29.040 all right, you guys, like we're not just gonna run 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:30.600 up on me here just because you know that I 0:14:30.640 --> 0:14:33.200 live here. Like, if this is gonna be if you 0:14:33.200 --> 0:14:34.560 want me to sign right here, this is gonna be 0:14:34.560 --> 0:14:36.040 the last time I ever signed for you guys. 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:38.600 Oh so they followed you all the way to your to. 0:14:38.560 --> 0:14:40.080 The back doors. I'll always go up the back door 0:14:40.080 --> 0:14:41.200 and not the front right right. 0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:43.600 My room was in the back, and they they came 0:14:43.640 --> 0:14:46.200 running right there like with posters and everything. It's just like, 0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:48.120 I mean, I get it, but it's like, hey, we're 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:48.880 not gonna do that. 0:14:48.880 --> 0:14:51.480 No doubt. And shout out those fans too, because Oakland 0:14:51.520 --> 0:14:51.960 has some. 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:53.960 Loyaliz Oh yeah, yeah, shout out of the fans for sure. 0:14:54.080 --> 0:14:58.000 But every day, dude, there's a crowd of fans. Like 0:14:58.200 --> 0:14:59.960 the way it's set up is you have our facility 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:02.240 where you go into and then when you walk out 0:15:02.280 --> 0:15:04.440 the gate or like you know, you have our own 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:06.600 parking lot, or you'll drive out the gate. We would 0:15:06.600 --> 0:15:08.760 walk or you have a car. I guess me. I 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:10.640 would just walk out the gate to walk to the 0:15:10.640 --> 0:15:13.240 extend and Say, because the extended Say is literally one 0:15:13.240 --> 0:15:16.040 building over from the facility. So you walk out the 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:18.600 gate and there's just always a crowd of Raiders fans 0:15:18.640 --> 0:15:22.680 and they're awesome. I mean a lot of repeat guys 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:25.560 because they're getting a lot of every day and it's 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:27.800 like Halloween there all the time, like they're dressed, they're 0:15:27.840 --> 0:15:30.720 freaking all in on the Raiders and we love them. 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:36.360 But every day you're signing something new, Hey Will Will, 0:15:36.560 --> 0:15:39.080 uh you know, once I started playing will Will, can 0:15:39.080 --> 0:15:42.240 you sign this? And after several times it's like, hey, 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:43.200 who is this for? And now? 0:15:43.720 --> 0:15:43.920 Yeah? 0:15:43.960 --> 0:15:46.560 Yeah, Like those guys, they would always be a certain 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:48.040 amund like every time they'd be like, I promise I 0:15:48.080 --> 0:15:49.160 don't sell it, like I promise this. 0:15:49.160 --> 0:15:52.360 For me there for us. I'm like, that's fine. I'm 0:15:52.360 --> 0:15:53.360 not even asking you, like. 0:15:53.480 --> 0:15:55.920 Exactly, like I'm not even questioning you, Like, okay, I'm 0:15:55.920 --> 0:15:58.040 signing up there. Hey this is even for me, man, 0:15:58.040 --> 0:15:59.240 Like I don't sell any of this uff. You can 0:15:59.280 --> 0:16:01.120 come see my basement. I'll show you pictures and you're like, 0:16:01.320 --> 0:16:04.280 whoaa we easy ball, Like I'm not even asking, but 0:16:04.520 --> 0:16:07.200 that's good to know, probably selling good to know. And 0:16:07.240 --> 0:16:08.840 then that dude with like the long beard, you know 0:16:08.840 --> 0:16:11.760 what I'm talking about. Some of the fans would give 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:14.840 rights to players to the hotel down the road. It's hilarious. 0:16:15.400 --> 0:16:18.000 But he came up, Hey man, I just want to 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:20.760 say there's like a long day, and I was like, hey, guys, 0:16:20.800 --> 0:16:22.800 not today, And You're like, I'm trying to just go 0:16:22.840 --> 0:16:25.560 to the hotel room. Oh please, man, I'm like, who's 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:28.360 this for today? Like who am I signing this for anyway? 0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:30.400 Cause it's like, hey, this is the eighth thing I've 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:34.680 signed for you each and every day, and uh, oh 0:16:34.720 --> 0:16:37.560 this is for my boss this time. It's like all right, man, listen, 0:16:38.360 --> 0:16:40.560 I'll sign for you, like you know, if it's for 0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:43.000 your dad or your family member. But if you're out 0:16:43.040 --> 0:16:45.600 there trying to get stuff signed for, like people that 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:49.640 aren't even really connected to you, like you're doing too much. 0:16:49.720 --> 0:16:52.440 Sho's out there on Thanksgiving Day, Christmas like times they 0:16:52.440 --> 0:16:54.560 should be with their family, Like out. 0:16:54.440 --> 0:16:57.560 There yeah Christmas Eve, Man, you ain't. 0:16:57.360 --> 0:16:57.960 Got nowhere to go? 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:02.000 Yeah, go open presence with your family. 0:17:02.080 --> 0:17:05.080 Watching the games, and like. 0:17:05.760 --> 0:17:09.040 Oh yeah, but that's basically how me and you got 0:17:09.040 --> 0:17:10.679 to know each other because oh you're in the extended 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:13.200 to day and Darren's like on the team, like big 0:17:13.240 --> 0:17:15.800 time on the team, like paid on the team. When 0:17:15.800 --> 0:17:16.640 did you sign last? 0:17:17.240 --> 0:17:19.320 It was after we got back from London. I signed 0:17:19.280 --> 0:17:20.400 a new contract. 0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:22.920 Yo, and congrats on that. As big Time leveled up, 0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:25.800 and I'm like, why are you staying in the extended Stay? 0:17:25.840 --> 0:17:26.920 And we kind of got to know each other a 0:17:26.920 --> 0:17:28.960 little bit because we would land after a long flight 0:17:29.000 --> 0:17:31.240 at like eleven pm at night. We'd get back late 0:17:31.960 --> 0:17:34.119 and we would uh. I would always just go in 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:36.120 the tubs, like the hot and cold tub and contrast 0:17:36.160 --> 0:17:38.800 for recovery because me, I like have nothing to do. 0:17:38.880 --> 0:17:40.920 It's just me and the extended Stay. And he was 0:17:40.960 --> 0:17:42.879 just like, let me just utilize the facility since all 0:17:42.880 --> 0:17:44.159 I'm going to do is go home, and you're kind 0:17:44.160 --> 0:17:45.720 of hyped up off the game and stuff, so you're like, 0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:48.359 let me just do this recovery. Darren would be in 0:17:48.359 --> 0:17:49.920 there and we would just vibe and kind of talk, 0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:52.000 and then he would we both walk back to the 0:17:52.000 --> 0:17:54.080 extended Day. I'm like, yo, you stay here and he's like, 0:17:54.800 --> 0:17:56.680 uh yeah, And so I don't really quit. I didn't 0:17:56.680 --> 0:17:58.399 really like question why he was staying there. I'm like, 0:17:58.440 --> 0:18:00.560 aren't you paid? Like, why are you staying in the 0:18:00.680 --> 0:18:04.240 extended stay. I'm like, I know why I'm staying in 0:18:04.240 --> 0:18:06.720 the extend and say I just got here, I'll just 0:18:06.760 --> 0:18:10.400 finishing out the season and it's super expensive out in California. 0:18:10.520 --> 0:18:12.960 But I'm like, why you're why are you paying or 0:18:13.000 --> 0:18:15.359 why are you staying in the extended Say, then we 0:18:15.400 --> 0:18:19.040 get to what was it Christmas? Yeah, remember our conversation 0:18:21.280 --> 0:18:23.840 if you start, So, we were we got a we 0:18:24.000 --> 0:18:27.040 were at Derek Carrs. Shout out Derek definitely, and we're 0:18:27.160 --> 0:18:29.919 changing the rule shout out Derek Carr free shoutouts for 0:18:29.960 --> 0:18:32.679 the boys, obviously because we're for the boys. Uh. But 0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:36.560 we're at Derek Carr's for Christmas, for Christmas dinner, and 0:18:36.880 --> 0:18:39.040 me and my fiance go over there's there, we get 0:18:39.040 --> 0:18:41.919 a plate, we sit, we sit down, and I forget 0:18:41.960 --> 0:18:44.560 what happened. I think we were having some drinks and 0:18:44.720 --> 0:18:49.159 there's whiskey there, right, and I think I made a 0:18:49.240 --> 0:18:52.160 joke about whiskey, like, hey, are you gonna have some whiskey? 0:18:52.359 --> 0:18:52.560 Yeah? 0:18:52.840 --> 0:18:54.840 Like, oh no, I'm good, And I'm like, why not. 0:18:56.480 --> 0:18:58.000 I think it was something like that, like, yo, don't 0:18:58.000 --> 0:19:02.600 be a pussy, like have some whiskey on Christmas and 0:19:02.640 --> 0:19:05.600 you're like, oh no, I'm good. And somebody I didn't 0:19:05.600 --> 0:19:08.439 somebody say you had been suspended or how did that 0:19:08.480 --> 0:19:10.560 conversation go? I mean, I was shocked. I don't mind 0:19:10.600 --> 0:19:12.600 it be like, yo, I was saying something. I was 0:19:12.880 --> 0:19:16.159 kind of chirping him for not drinking whiskey, and somebody 0:19:16.200 --> 0:19:17.719 said something about being suspended. Right. 0:19:17.800 --> 0:19:19.719 Yeah, I want to say, I don't remember who it 0:19:19.800 --> 0:19:21.960 was exactly, because I know it was. It was quite 0:19:21.960 --> 0:19:23.320 a few guys from the team there, so I remember 0:19:23.320 --> 0:19:25.800 who exactly was sitting next to us, but yeah, it 0:19:25.920 --> 0:19:26.560 got brought. 0:19:26.400 --> 0:19:29.479 Up and I was like, I said something about why 0:19:29.520 --> 0:19:32.239 don't you just have a drink or something like. It 0:19:32.280 --> 0:19:35.880 was something, and somebody was like, yo, his suspension came 0:19:35.960 --> 0:19:38.400 up from when he got suspended how many times? 0:19:39.040 --> 0:19:40.040 Twice in the league? 0:19:40.280 --> 0:19:42.160 Twice in the league when. 0:19:42.320 --> 0:19:44.320 I got I got suspended two times in college. I 0:19:44.320 --> 0:19:49.600 got suspended two times in the league for what substance abuse? 0:19:49.680 --> 0:19:52.159 So I was like, just like drug tests and this 0:19:52.280 --> 0:19:55.040 is alcohol is everything. But put in Neela my arm. 0:19:55.600 --> 0:20:00.320 Wow, so paint pills, alcohol, weed, you name it. Oh 0:20:01.800 --> 0:20:04.000 my god. But anyway, and we're going to get into 0:20:04.000 --> 0:20:05.600 all this stuff. I'm just kind of giving you the 0:20:05.640 --> 0:20:08.720 briefing on Darren and I kind of like being boys, 0:20:08.960 --> 0:20:10.680 being in the extended say, being in the tubs, and 0:20:10.720 --> 0:20:13.160 then we go to Christmas. I'm I'm comfortable enough around 0:20:13.200 --> 0:20:15.119 him and be like, yo, I have some whiskey, Like, 0:20:15.160 --> 0:20:17.879 don't be a pussy dude, Like, let's have some whiskey together. 0:20:18.080 --> 0:20:20.840 And somebody brought up his suspension. You've been suspended and 0:20:20.880 --> 0:20:23.520 he's like, yeah, twice. I'm like for what or maybe 0:20:23.560 --> 0:20:26.480 we were talking about Taylor being suspended. Maybe anyway, we're 0:20:26.480 --> 0:20:29.600 talking about suspensions and I'm like, for what, and he's 0:20:29.680 --> 0:20:31.840 like substance abuse. I was like, oh shit, I had 0:20:31.880 --> 0:20:34.320 no idea. That's my bad man. I had no fucking clues. 0:20:34.400 --> 0:20:37.280 Oh it's fine. You know, that's kind of why you 0:20:37.320 --> 0:20:39.760 were staying in the extended say, or some of a reason, right, 0:20:40.040 --> 0:20:42.199 because you kind of wanted to, you know, not be 0:20:42.760 --> 0:20:43.800 what was your reasoning for it? 0:20:44.280 --> 0:20:46.600 So my reasoning for staying in the extended stay was 0:20:47.800 --> 0:20:49.879 I'd never really been like committed to football like that, 0:20:50.000 --> 0:20:51.720 and I was just like, you know, if I ever 0:20:51.880 --> 0:20:53.480 like put one hundred percent in, I feel like I'd 0:20:53.480 --> 0:20:55.239 be all right. And I was just like, Okay, if 0:20:55.240 --> 0:20:57.600 I stay right next door to the building, I can 0:20:57.640 --> 0:21:00.679 go in earlier, i can stay later, and I'll sacrifice 0:21:00.720 --> 0:21:02.840 like being somewhere where it's a lit spot and things 0:21:02.840 --> 0:21:05.840 are happening, like just for a few months, four months 0:21:05.880 --> 0:21:07.760 at a time for an NFL season, like just lock 0:21:07.840 --> 0:21:10.320 in completely, and I just want to stay there for 0:21:10.359 --> 0:21:12.040 the convenience of it, and I'll just go back and 0:21:12.040 --> 0:21:13.679 forth and I'll just be locked in and not be 0:21:13.720 --> 0:21:15.360 too worried about anything going on, like I'll go out 0:21:15.400 --> 0:21:17.440 and eat and everything. But I was just trying to 0:21:17.480 --> 0:21:19.879 be locked in for just one season because I had 0:21:19.920 --> 0:21:20.879 never been locked in before. 0:21:20.960 --> 0:21:23.480 Did you make that decision because you knew you were 0:21:23.520 --> 0:21:24.760 about to get a new contract? 0:21:25.400 --> 0:21:26.880 No, I didn't think I was gonna get paid during 0:21:26.880 --> 0:21:29.520 the season really because I had I had never started 0:21:29.520 --> 0:21:30.200 a game before. 0:21:30.440 --> 0:21:33.120 Yeah. See, we're all going to get to learn about 0:21:33.160 --> 0:21:36.800 daring together because I have no clue about and you 0:21:37.200 --> 0:21:38.959 at all before that. I just knew when I got there. 0:21:39.000 --> 0:21:41.439 I'm like, Yo, this dude is a fucking savage, Like 0:21:41.480 --> 0:21:43.160 throw him the ball all the time. That's why I'm 0:21:43.160 --> 0:21:45.280 sitting on the sideline thinking, and then I'm kind of like, yo, 0:21:45.320 --> 0:21:47.159 we're kind of boys on the side. So you know, 0:21:47.200 --> 0:21:49.040 it's dope that I'm getting to know you, but I 0:21:49.080 --> 0:21:52.959 have no clue about you before that. Right, So you 0:21:53.000 --> 0:21:54.760 were with the Ravens before the Raiders. 0:21:54.800 --> 0:21:56.840 I got drafted by the Ravens in what round, the 0:21:56.880 --> 0:21:58.959 sixth sixth round. I was a wide receiver coming at 0:21:59.000 --> 0:22:00.520 Georgia Tech wide. 0:22:00.400 --> 0:22:03.880 Receiver coming out of Georgia Tech. Okay, so you're when 0:22:03.880 --> 0:22:06.399 you're when you're coming into the league. Were you like 0:22:06.520 --> 0:22:08.520 all in on wanting to be a football player at 0:22:08.520 --> 0:22:10.320 that moment when you first came in the league. 0:22:10.800 --> 0:22:12.840 Nah, if I I told people with all the time, 0:22:12.840 --> 0:22:15.119 if I wanted to stop playing football, probably would have stopped, 0:22:15.119 --> 0:22:17.320 like in high school or after high school, because it 0:22:17.400 --> 0:22:20.439 just became like a like a people pleasing tool for me. 0:22:20.680 --> 0:22:22.159 You just knew you were kind of good at it. 0:22:22.200 --> 0:22:23.960 People wanted you to do it, so you're like, I'm 0:22:23.960 --> 0:22:25.920 going to do this for other people. Right when did 0:22:25.960 --> 0:22:29.320 you start abusing substances or do you want to call. 0:22:29.320 --> 0:22:33.159 It like abusing? Probably like at the end of high school. Okay, 0:22:33.359 --> 0:22:34.919 so probably like seventeen eighteen. 0:22:35.080 --> 0:22:36.119 What started you on it? 0:22:37.440 --> 0:22:40.200 Just with some friends, they went through their parents' medicon cabinet, 0:22:40.359 --> 0:22:43.560 pulled out like some hydro codon, like five milligram pills 0:22:44.040 --> 0:22:47.359 really like my sophomore year high school, and they like, 0:22:47.400 --> 0:22:48.680 you want to tell you one? I was like, sure, 0:22:48.760 --> 0:22:50.800 why not? I ain't got shit going on for me. 0:22:50.840 --> 0:22:53.080 So I just took one and it was like, bam, what. 0:22:53.040 --> 0:22:54.320 Do you What do you mean by when you didn't 0:22:54.320 --> 0:22:55.320 have shit going on for you? 0:22:55.920 --> 0:22:57.440 So like by the time I was fisting. 0:22:57.200 --> 0:23:00.240 We're gonna die, We're diving in. Oh yeah, I love this. Yeah, 0:23:00.280 --> 0:23:03.880 but people are gonna listen because people are very excited 0:23:03.920 --> 0:23:05.560 about your story when you were on hard knocks and 0:23:05.600 --> 0:23:07.200 you honestly you don't have like a couple of minutes 0:23:07.240 --> 0:23:09.000 to talk about it. And I watched this video of 0:23:09.040 --> 0:23:10.800 the TMZ posted. We talked about it for a couple 0:23:10.800 --> 0:23:14.600 of minutes. But people are very fascinated and there's a 0:23:14.640 --> 0:23:17.080 lot of help and an outlet. I feel like you've 0:23:17.080 --> 0:23:18.760 given to people. So I can't wait to like dive 0:23:18.800 --> 0:23:20.320 into everything. So I'm gonna ask every question. 0:23:20.520 --> 0:23:20.760 Yeah. 0:23:21.119 --> 0:23:24.800 So, so when I was younger, I was just like real, 0:23:24.960 --> 0:23:27.280 like like different. I guess I don't know. I was 0:23:27.320 --> 0:23:30.879 like really sensitive, but so like I just felt alienated. 0:23:30.920 --> 0:23:32.920 I hung out with white kids. They were in my neighborhood. 0:23:32.920 --> 0:23:34.280 They were the ones playing outside, so I was like, 0:23:34.280 --> 0:23:35.919 I'm just gonna go fuck with them, and they were 0:23:35.920 --> 0:23:40.119 just playing the white kids. I'm not I'm not saying 0:23:40.119 --> 0:23:42.399 nothing outside of out there playing every sport that I like. 0:23:42.440 --> 0:23:43.880 So I'm finna go rock with them. Yeah. 0:23:43.920 --> 0:23:46.720 And then it's like kids, all the h like all 0:23:46.720 --> 0:23:48.760 the all the black kids like my age would all 0:23:48.960 --> 0:23:50.719 just like clown on me, just rag on me for that. 0:23:50.760 --> 0:23:52.240 And I was just like I was real sensuous, So 0:23:52.280 --> 0:23:53.400 I was just like damn, like. 0:23:53.880 --> 0:23:56.240 They would clown on you for hanging out with white kids. 0:23:56.320 --> 0:23:58.520 Yeah okay, And it was like damn, like I can't 0:23:58.760 --> 0:23:59.280 catch your break. 0:23:59.320 --> 0:24:01.040 And then it was just like when I go into classes, 0:24:01.080 --> 0:24:03.320 I was always in like gifted advanced classes. It wasn't 0:24:03.359 --> 0:24:05.080 no other black people in there. So I'm just like damn, 0:24:05.119 --> 0:24:08.080 like I'm just just you're super smart. Yeah, And it's 0:24:08.119 --> 0:24:10.800 just like I don't feel connected to anyone around me. 0:24:10.800 --> 0:24:12.479 But it's just like, oh, I'm in the South, like 0:24:12.600 --> 0:24:16.040 I'm in Georgia, like people love football, so I know 0:24:16.040 --> 0:24:18.480 I'm good at football, so I'm gonna go like put 0:24:18.520 --> 0:24:20.760 all my eggs into this football basket. And it's like 0:24:20.800 --> 0:24:22.720 I'm going through. I was really good, like from when 0:24:22.760 --> 0:24:25.080 I started to like through middle school. Then people got big. 0:24:25.160 --> 0:24:27.480 I was super small, Like I will show you a 0:24:27.480 --> 0:24:30.040 picture of me from my JV football year, like I 0:24:30.080 --> 0:24:32.520 was in like fifth grade, but I was super small 0:24:32.800 --> 0:24:35.280 and football just wasn't going. Like my freshman in high school, 0:24:35.320 --> 0:24:37.320 I rode the bench the whole year on freshman team, 0:24:37.359 --> 0:24:38.920 like I played in like garbage time. 0:24:39.600 --> 0:24:42.679 But you love football at this point, I get because no, 0:24:42.800 --> 0:24:44.920 I'm saying, at this point, when you were a freshman, 0:24:45.000 --> 0:24:47.040 you're like I want to play football because I'll rock 0:24:47.119 --> 0:24:47.760 with football right now. 0:24:47.800 --> 0:24:49.880 Yeah. Yeah, this is still like me like blacking football. 0:24:49.920 --> 0:24:51.959 And then it's like I get into my second season 0:24:52.160 --> 0:24:54.399 is like JV, and it's like I'm still super small, 0:24:54.440 --> 0:24:56.639 but I finally like earn a spot and I was 0:24:56.640 --> 0:24:59.600 playing safety and I played a couple of games and 0:24:59.600 --> 0:25:01.639 got hurt, like I had to have surgery on my elbow, 0:25:01.680 --> 0:25:03.240 and I was like always in the cast and people 0:25:03.240 --> 0:25:05.159 were just like ragging on me for always being in 0:25:05.160 --> 0:25:05.520 the cast. 0:25:05.600 --> 0:25:08.600 Like you can't can't help the white kids. Yeah, well 0:25:08.640 --> 0:25:10.120 you ain't built. You ain't built for this ship. 0:25:10.200 --> 0:25:11.880 Like my I had a coach that you should try 0:25:11.960 --> 0:25:14.400 a non contact sport, Like really, this ain't it. 0:25:14.480 --> 0:25:17.080 I don't know when a coach. I ain't gonna I 0:25:17.119 --> 0:25:17.679 ain't gonna name. 0:25:19.160 --> 0:25:22.840 Let's go ahead and shout who's laughing now, dude. 0:25:23.200 --> 0:25:25.120 But but then I get to like that's like around 0:25:25.160 --> 0:25:26.920 fifteen year old. I'm just like, damn, Like I thought 0:25:26.960 --> 0:25:28.800 football was going to be the way for me and 0:25:28.920 --> 0:25:31.320 she ain't working, so like fuck it. And then like 0:25:31.480 --> 0:25:34.240 I'm just hanging out like and then I'm these kids 0:25:34.240 --> 0:25:35.800 pull bills out, I'm just like fuck it, like let's 0:25:35.800 --> 0:25:37.960 try something new, Like let's just let's see where this is. 0:25:38.000 --> 0:25:42.120 Where. So when you say kids pulled pills out, you're 0:25:42.160 --> 0:25:44.159 just you're just hanging at the house and you know 0:25:44.520 --> 0:25:47.240 everything's happened up to this point, and you're just like, so, 0:25:47.359 --> 0:25:49.240 you know, try this because they say it's fun, like 0:25:49.280 --> 0:25:50.480 it's cool, but you feel good. 0:25:50.720 --> 0:25:52.840 It makes it makes us feel really good, like and 0:25:52.880 --> 0:25:55.040 I'm just like I'm with feeling good because I don't 0:25:55.040 --> 0:25:57.359 really feel good right now with everything else is going on, 0:25:57.440 --> 0:26:00.119 so let's try this, damn. 0:26:00.320 --> 0:26:01.680 And that's how you got started. 0:26:01.920 --> 0:26:04.200 Yeah, that's how I got started. It started like real slow. 0:26:04.240 --> 0:26:06.480 It'd be like once every now, and then it started 0:26:06.480 --> 0:26:09.120 going like every weekend, and then it was like every 0:26:09.119 --> 0:26:12.000 couple of days. And then it's like started smoking weed too, 0:26:12.480 --> 0:26:13.159 start drinking. 0:26:13.280 --> 0:26:15.240 So what age is this when you started all this? 0:26:15.960 --> 0:26:19.320 Fifteen when I uh started doing pills and then like 0:26:19.640 --> 0:26:21.760 weave like sixteen, like my junior. 0:26:21.560 --> 0:26:23.400 Years, when did you start getting good at football? 0:26:24.320 --> 0:26:27.040 I grew from the end of my sophomore year to 0:26:27.400 --> 0:26:30.280 right before my junior year started, from five eight, five 0:26:30.440 --> 0:26:31.280 nine to six two. 0:26:31.520 --> 0:26:34.720 You were five eight when you were a sophomore lanky two. 0:26:34.560 --> 0:26:36.160 Were Yeah, I'm gonnahow youall a picture. 0:26:36.320 --> 0:26:38.119 We'll have it posted like when you text it to me. 0:26:38.440 --> 0:26:40.520 When when we're talking about it, like on the YouTube 0:26:40.600 --> 0:26:42.320 channel bloss will have your picture shown. 0:26:42.400 --> 0:26:45.960 Yeah, yeah, it'll be go y'all gonna die laughing. But so, yeah, 0:26:46.000 --> 0:26:47.840 I grew and I was still I was taller, and 0:26:47.880 --> 0:26:50.800 so it was automatically like okay, like you can play now, 0:26:50.880 --> 0:26:53.199 like I just looked the part, I guess, and I 0:26:53.240 --> 0:26:55.320 started getting in the weight room. Like once I stopped. 0:26:55.680 --> 0:26:57.359 I hear from my injury. I was like once this 0:26:57.440 --> 0:26:59.120 Drenth coach. I was like, coach, like, I gotta get right, 0:26:59.160 --> 0:27:00.919 like I'm super weak, and he was like, we got you. 0:27:01.040 --> 0:27:03.040 And then it was like start going up from there. 0:27:03.040 --> 0:27:05.440 And I played my junior year. 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Why these kids on 0:29:06.760 --> 0:29:08.240 my football team were throwing rocks and I was just 0:29:08.280 --> 0:29:10.520 like the getaway driver, like throwing through people's houses and 0:29:10.560 --> 0:29:12.680 busting out people's car windows with rocks. 0:29:12.800 --> 0:29:13.880 Yeah, and they're doing it. 0:29:13.920 --> 0:29:15.040 You're just a getaway driver. 0:29:15.160 --> 0:29:18.400 Yeah, just being I'm I'm like, yeah, don't you just 0:29:18.400 --> 0:29:20.720 think I'm cool? So I'm gonna just drive for Himah. 0:29:20.840 --> 0:29:23.040 Ends up like somebody was like walking their dog or 0:29:23.040 --> 0:29:25.240 something and got my license plate and I was the 0:29:25.320 --> 0:29:27.480 only one. I went down for it, and so it 0:29:27.560 --> 0:29:29.280 was like I got killed the basketball team for that. 0:29:29.480 --> 0:29:32.040 But then it was but football was like on the up. 0:29:32.360 --> 0:29:34.120 Did you go to camps and stuff in between junior 0:29:34.160 --> 0:29:35.640 and senior year or you just played? 0:29:35.800 --> 0:29:36.120 Okay? 0:29:36.240 --> 0:29:39.480 I went to Western Kentucky. I let my first offer 0:29:40.720 --> 0:29:42.200 and then I was just like okay, I'm finna go here. 0:29:42.200 --> 0:29:44.120 Like I didn't even think I was gonna be playing football, 0:29:44.160 --> 0:29:45.440 like because I was riding the bench. So I was 0:29:45.440 --> 0:29:46.840 just like, I'm just gonna come here. They offer me 0:29:46.880 --> 0:29:50.200 a scholarship, like I'm going there, yeah, And then I 0:29:50.240 --> 0:29:52.520 had a few other offers. It was like Air Force 0:29:52.760 --> 0:29:59.040 Marshall Western Kentucky, Kentucky, and then Troy University in Alabama 0:29:59.040 --> 0:29:59.720 and Georgia Tech. 0:30:00.120 --> 0:30:01.640 When did you get your Georgia Tech offer? 0:30:03.920 --> 0:30:05.640 Right before my senior year? Like the summer camp. 0:30:05.640 --> 0:30:07.320 I went to the camp and they saw me like 0:30:07.400 --> 0:30:09.400 actually move around and I was like playing defense, so 0:30:09.400 --> 0:30:10.920 I was like covering people and I was like I 0:30:10.960 --> 0:30:12.560 played I was out a corner and I was like 0:30:12.600 --> 0:30:14.840 press covering people. Yeah, And they were like, oh, like 0:30:15.000 --> 0:30:16.440 they probably do back then they're going to flip me 0:30:16.440 --> 0:30:17.000 to wide receiver. 0:30:17.040 --> 0:30:18.600 But they're like, oh, he's an athlete, so we can 0:30:18.680 --> 0:30:20.760 just bring him in. We thought we could do something 0:30:20.800 --> 0:30:21.120 with him. 0:30:21.200 --> 0:30:22.040 Were you fired up? 0:30:23.240 --> 0:30:23.720 Yeah? 0:30:23.880 --> 0:30:25.640 I mean kind of. It was just like Okay, like 0:30:25.680 --> 0:30:27.640 this is what's going to have people like approved of me. 0:30:27.920 --> 0:30:29.520 Was going to have people like being like, oh, like 0:30:29.680 --> 0:30:31.760 he doing something right now, like he really like putting 0:30:31.800 --> 0:30:34.120 in work, and it was like that kind of thing like. 0:30:34.400 --> 0:30:36.720 So in your mind, like what are you preparing for? 0:30:36.880 --> 0:30:38.959 I know you're it's like the validation of people and 0:30:39.000 --> 0:30:41.960 that's what they're wanting you to do. But what's like, uh, 0:30:42.080 --> 0:30:43.680 I guess what are you thinking? Like this is what 0:30:43.720 --> 0:30:45.520 my future wants to look like? This is what I 0:30:45.520 --> 0:30:47.200 want my future to look like? Or did you even 0:30:47.240 --> 0:30:47.720 have a. 0:30:47.720 --> 0:30:49.800 Vision about now? I had no vision back then. None. 0:30:49.920 --> 0:30:52.000 It was just like, oh, this is what people celebrate 0:30:52.520 --> 0:30:55.520 football players and like football players getting successful, everybody wants 0:30:55.560 --> 0:30:56.880 to be like them. So it's like if I could 0:30:56.880 --> 0:30:59.000 do this, people want to be like me, and then 0:30:59.040 --> 0:31:01.120 I'll be happy. It was just like that kind of 0:31:01.160 --> 0:31:03.040 formula which makes no sense. 0:31:02.920 --> 0:31:05.160 If you don't mind me asking like what was your family? 0:31:05.240 --> 0:31:06.960 What was your family life like? Did you have a 0:31:06.960 --> 0:31:09.160 lot of support to like play ball or yeah? 0:31:09.280 --> 0:31:11.760 It was like I had a great home environment, my parents, 0:31:11.760 --> 0:31:14.440 I had an older sister. They never pressured me to 0:31:14.440 --> 0:31:16.480 play any sports. My parents were never the parents that 0:31:16.520 --> 0:31:18.640 were like you're going to get home runs in every 0:31:18.680 --> 0:31:20.360 game or you're going to escort me touch on. They 0:31:20.360 --> 0:31:22.080 were just like have fun, like you could do whatever 0:31:22.120 --> 0:31:22.440 you want. 0:31:22.560 --> 0:31:27.000 My parents they're together, they're together. You had an older sister, yep, dang, 0:31:27.160 --> 0:31:30.000 So you're just you're just kind of having internal battles 0:31:30.000 --> 0:31:30.800 with yourself, right. 0:31:30.880 --> 0:31:33.400 There was no like nothing externally. It was all internally. Ye. 0:31:33.680 --> 0:31:35.240 You feel like you're like really introverted. 0:31:36.080 --> 0:31:38.600 Yeah, I was. I was very much. So I still 0:31:38.600 --> 0:31:39.960 am a little bit now. But I'm coming out of 0:31:40.000 --> 0:31:40.720 my show a little bit. 0:31:40.760 --> 0:31:42.880 But because you're back, because you're the main. 0:31:45.920 --> 0:31:48.960 But back then, yeah, I was just like super shy, 0:31:49.000 --> 0:31:51.000 like I wasn't trying to talk like yeah, yeah, I 0:31:51.040 --> 0:31:51.800 wasn't with none of that. 0:31:51.960 --> 0:31:54.440 And then you go to Georgia Tech. Talk about your 0:31:54.480 --> 0:31:57.920 experience at Georgia Tech or when stuff like okay, you're 0:31:58.280 --> 0:32:01.680 you're would you say you're abusing drugs and stuff at 0:32:01.680 --> 0:32:03.000 this point going into Georgia Tech. 0:32:04.400 --> 0:32:06.680 It is up there. And then as soon as I 0:32:06.720 --> 0:32:09.680 got there and just saw like you, no, oh I 0:32:09.680 --> 0:32:12.880 could drink every day. Oh I could get high every day? 0:32:13.080 --> 0:32:15.640 Like did you have teammates that were doing that with you? 0:32:15.920 --> 0:32:16.400 Yeah? 0:32:16.920 --> 0:32:18.560 And you just there was there was there a lot 0:32:18.600 --> 0:32:22.200 more access to it. I assume absolutely. Yeah, that stuff 0:32:22.240 --> 0:32:24.240 is wild, man. I mean you talk about like in 0:32:24.280 --> 0:32:26.520 the nineties, and I'm sure stuff still goes on, but 0:32:26.800 --> 0:32:30.920 people talking about drug abuse before games and a lot 0:32:31.000 --> 0:32:33.600 of stuff like that. I was like a good kid. 0:32:33.640 --> 0:32:35.400 The most I did was drink. I drank like in 0:32:35.520 --> 0:32:37.640 high school, like the back half of my high school. 0:32:37.680 --> 0:32:40.200 Sorry my dad, But they kind of knew sure to 0:32:40.280 --> 0:32:42.040 do and they tried to keeping it tight on me, 0:32:42.080 --> 0:32:43.720 you know what I mean, Like they were hard on me, 0:32:43.760 --> 0:32:46.680 and I love them for it, but I was just 0:32:46.920 --> 0:32:48.800 I was just a dude that like drank alcohol. I 0:32:48.840 --> 0:32:50.880 was scared of like smoking. I was scared of doing 0:32:50.920 --> 0:32:54.640 everything except like drinking alcohol. When like, okay, so you're 0:32:55.280 --> 0:32:57.800 you're you're a freshman. When when did it get When 0:32:57.800 --> 0:33:00.000 do you feel like, looking back, it started to get 0:33:00.160 --> 0:33:02.360 way too far like you were just you were like 0:33:02.440 --> 0:33:03.959 too far gone this It was way too far soon, 0:33:04.080 --> 0:33:06.800 like on campus really just because of the access. 0:33:07.120 --> 0:33:08.800 Yeah, and then it was just like for me, it 0:33:08.880 --> 0:33:11.800 was like I wasn't very highly recruited, so I was 0:33:11.800 --> 0:33:14.080 like I think I was the lowest rated recruit in 0:33:14.120 --> 0:33:15.520 the Georgia Tech class coming in. 0:33:15.600 --> 0:33:17.280 So you just didn't feel it was kind of like 0:33:17.320 --> 0:33:19.840 a sense of value or worthy, Like I kind of 0:33:19.960 --> 0:33:21.160 like everybody else is above me. 0:33:21.240 --> 0:33:22.760 It was like I got here and I was like, Okay, 0:33:22.800 --> 0:33:24.400 I'm here, but it's like I'm all right now, I'm 0:33:24.400 --> 0:33:25.959 just gonna get my education. I don't know if I'm 0:33:25.960 --> 0:33:28.560 gonna play. It's just like and then I'm like fuck it, 0:33:28.600 --> 0:33:29.640 like I'm just gonna like. 0:33:30.360 --> 0:33:32.600 Nervous around like the older players and shit too. Probably 0:33:32.880 --> 0:33:33.720 you first get there. 0:33:33.600 --> 0:33:37.600 And it was just like my my abuse, like my drinking, 0:33:37.680 --> 0:33:40.000 my using like made me cool around them. That's what 0:33:40.040 --> 0:33:42.280 got me to hang around them. Like me and myself, 0:33:42.360 --> 0:33:44.720 like I don't give a fuck, I'll do that. Yeah, 0:33:44.720 --> 0:33:46.160 there are people on my team that was like, damn, 0:33:46.200 --> 0:33:47.800 I thought you was lame. So I realized you was 0:33:47.920 --> 0:33:48.800 doing this this and that. 0:33:49.040 --> 0:33:52.360 Really yeah, just because you're quiet to yourself, right, but 0:33:52.400 --> 0:33:54.440 then when you people want to party or fuck with you, 0:33:54.440 --> 0:33:56.080 you're like, oh, Waller gets down like that. 0:33:56.400 --> 0:33:58.760 Yeah, it's like I coul drink people under the table 0:33:58.920 --> 0:34:01.000 like that. It's a genetic and it's just like I 0:34:01.040 --> 0:34:03.640 can out pop out do whatever, and it's like when 0:34:03.640 --> 0:34:05.720 people are like, oh, that's cool, it was like I 0:34:05.760 --> 0:34:06.800 started a feed off that. 0:34:06.720 --> 0:34:10.600 Holy ship, dude, now are you doing this stuff before games? 0:34:11.520 --> 0:34:16.080 Not the day of but like night before. But yeah, 0:34:16.080 --> 0:34:17.640 I mean there were sometimes I did today. 0:34:17.680 --> 0:34:20.560 Yeah, have you have you seen shout out? I think 0:34:21.080 --> 0:34:23.520 shout out Master, Gosh, I'm gonna butchers lest saying treff 0:34:23.560 --> 0:34:27.440 tre Trefiston. Or have you seen on social media untold 0:34:27.480 --> 0:34:34.040 stories by bleacher or by our competitor. Uh, anyway, there's 0:34:34.040 --> 0:34:36.680 an until there's untold stories that he'll have like retired 0:34:36.680 --> 0:34:39.239 guys on Santana Moss came on, I got to play 0:34:39.280 --> 0:34:42.080 with Santana my uh, his back end of his career 0:34:42.080 --> 0:34:45.120 when I was on the Redskins, And I'm listening to 0:34:45.160 --> 0:34:46.840 one of these untold stories and he's like, yeah, I 0:34:46.840 --> 0:34:49.759 mean we call it the whiskey game or drinking game 0:34:49.840 --> 0:34:52.320 or something. Campus you know what I'm talking about. Campus 0:34:52.320 --> 0:34:55.799 is a big Redskins fan, and they would they would 0:34:55.800 --> 0:34:58.160 pull shots before games, like and mix it with like 0:34:58.520 --> 0:35:00.520 a pill if they were injured or or something. You 0:35:00.560 --> 0:35:02.160 know what I mean, to like go out and play 0:35:02.160 --> 0:35:03.680 a game. And he back, Yeah, it got to where 0:35:03.680 --> 0:35:05.279 I would take a couple of shots before every game 0:35:05.280 --> 0:35:05.960 because it would. 0:35:05.800 --> 0:35:08.200 Help me relax. Yeah, were you ever were you ever 0:35:08.320 --> 0:35:10.040 like that? Toward the back end of my career. I 0:35:10.040 --> 0:35:11.920 would smoke in like pop Hills before. But like my 0:35:11.920 --> 0:35:13.960 freshman sophomore year, I wouldn't like the day of but 0:35:14.000 --> 0:35:15.520 like towards the end, like when I was playing, I 0:35:15.560 --> 0:35:17.279 was like, oh, like I'm out here, like I can 0:35:17.320 --> 0:35:18.040 make plays out here. 0:35:18.080 --> 0:35:19.880 It was like, I'm you realize you're a beast. 0:35:20.000 --> 0:35:21.480 I was like, all right, I'm gonna be lit like 0:35:21.560 --> 0:35:25.240 at everything, like practice, like I'll just do whatever at practice. 0:35:25.360 --> 0:35:28.400 Yeah, that's that's that's insane, dude. When when did you 0:35:28.400 --> 0:35:29.879 realize you were, like, you know, I got a shout 0:35:29.960 --> 0:35:30.560 to go to the league. 0:35:31.200 --> 0:35:33.040 Not till after my junior year. After we played we 0:35:33.080 --> 0:35:34.439 played in the bowl game. We played in the Music 0:35:34.440 --> 0:35:34.879 City Bowl. 0:35:34.880 --> 0:35:36.280 Here trash go ahead. 0:35:37.080 --> 0:35:40.239 But but I just remember, like towards the end of 0:35:40.239 --> 0:35:42.600 that year and like the end of my senior too, 0:35:42.640 --> 0:35:45.480 It's just like we played whenever we played big game opponents, 0:35:45.560 --> 0:35:47.160 like I would always get the ball and I always 0:35:47.200 --> 0:35:49.919 do something with But if we play like lower level 0:35:49.960 --> 0:35:51.560 schools and we could just run the option all day, 0:35:51.600 --> 0:35:52.840 like I would just be out there yawn and like 0:35:52.880 --> 0:35:56.640 trying to black people Georgiatown's. So it was like we 0:35:56.680 --> 0:35:58.920 played like uga. Like in my junior year, and I 0:35:58.920 --> 0:36:00.759 had a big game, and then we played Old miss 0:36:00.800 --> 0:36:03.600 and they were like loaded my junior we played them 0:36:03.640 --> 0:36:05.680 here and I had like a long touchdown like some 0:36:05.719 --> 0:36:07.120 players in that game, and it was just like after 0:36:07.160 --> 0:36:09.440 that game, people were telling me like, oh, like you 0:36:09.480 --> 0:36:11.480 could go to the league, like, but up. 0:36:11.480 --> 0:36:13.600 Until then, I was just like I never thought of 0:36:13.600 --> 0:36:14.320 it because you're. 0:36:14.200 --> 0:36:15.400 Just having fun playing football. 0:36:15.800 --> 0:36:18.919 I wasn't really having fun, really, I just I just knew. 0:36:18.960 --> 0:36:20.839 I was just like, right, I'm doing this thing like 0:36:20.960 --> 0:36:23.239 I'm just kind of just like floating through life in 0:36:23.239 --> 0:36:25.440 a sense. It's like I'm just like I don't think 0:36:25.480 --> 0:36:26.560 I never thought I was going to the least. I 0:36:26.600 --> 0:36:27.760 never had any confidence in myself. 0:36:28.840 --> 0:36:31.680 You're just yeah, you can't even say having fun. You 0:36:31.680 --> 0:36:32.520 weren't even having fun. 0:36:32.520 --> 0:36:33.480 It would be flashes of fun. 0:36:33.480 --> 0:36:35.000 I would like make a play and be like yeah, 0:36:35.040 --> 0:36:36.279 like I know what I'm doing, like I'm out here, 0:36:36.320 --> 0:36:37.399 but then just be right back to. 0:36:37.360 --> 0:36:39.160 That man and everybody's patting you on the back and 0:36:39.160 --> 0:36:40.560 it kind of fires you up, you know what I mean. 0:36:40.640 --> 0:36:41.880 It last for like a couple of minutes, but then 0:36:41.880 --> 0:36:44.040 it just to be like I'm so ingrained and like 0:36:44.160 --> 0:36:45.960 self doubt it's just like even the next play, Like 0:36:45.960 --> 0:36:47.400 I could make like a crazy catch in the next 0:36:47.440 --> 0:36:48.920 one and be like, man, don't drop it, don't drop it, 0:36:48.960 --> 0:36:49.480 don't drop it. 0:36:49.680 --> 0:36:52.440 Did you ever kind of manifest those thoughts? Yeah, I 0:36:52.480 --> 0:36:54.000 mean you have negative felt you know, you know the 0:36:54.600 --> 0:36:56.840 sayings out there, what you think, you become law of attraction, 0:36:56.920 --> 0:36:59.280 all this positivity, all this self talk, like you pretty 0:36:59.320 --> 0:37:02.440 much manifest you know what you do. Like i'd be 0:37:02.480 --> 0:37:04.839 out there. It's hard for me to fully remember all 0:37:04.880 --> 0:37:07.799 of my days in Nebraska because sometimes like people are, 0:37:07.880 --> 0:37:10.080 oh you you was this and that in Nebraska, and 0:37:10.320 --> 0:37:12.400 there's games like I just can't fully remember because I 0:37:12.440 --> 0:37:13.920 remember being out there and you don't want to. You 0:37:13.920 --> 0:37:16.479 played it, not mess up, and you just be out there. 0:37:16.840 --> 0:37:19.200 And I got I would get destroyed my first year 0:37:19.280 --> 0:37:21.239 or two cause I played like as a freshman. It's 0:37:21.239 --> 0:37:23.680 not a flex like I played as a freshman. I 0:37:24.000 --> 0:37:27.200 just wasn't there. I wasn't that good. I wasn't well. No, 0:37:27.400 --> 0:37:29.240 I would mess up, like I would get bench and stuff. 0:37:29.320 --> 0:37:32.239 I think I started eight games, I think my freshman year, 0:37:32.280 --> 0:37:34.440 but I got benched, you know what I mean. And 0:37:34.520 --> 0:37:37.160 I'd go back and I'm like I'm on rivals dot 0:37:37.200 --> 0:37:39.080 Com and watch my old high school tape and I'm 0:37:39.080 --> 0:37:41.680 like thinking, yo, am I am I that good? Or 0:37:41.680 --> 0:37:43.600 am I am I shitty? And I just don't remember 0:37:43.680 --> 0:37:45.880 not being good in high school and like I'm doubting 0:37:45.880 --> 0:37:47.879 myself and I'm out there playing to not mess up 0:37:47.880 --> 0:37:51.040 and like, don't missus tackle. You miss a tackle, Polini's 0:37:51.040 --> 0:37:54.879 fucking raping you verbally, and you're just a young kid, like, 0:37:55.280 --> 0:37:57.920 you know, doubting yourself all the time. But I had 0:37:57.920 --> 0:38:00.440 fun playing. That's not me trying to love and be 0:38:00.480 --> 0:38:03.000 like I didn't love football like I I wanted football 0:38:03.120 --> 0:38:05.919 so bad. Like I was, I had fun and tried 0:38:05.960 --> 0:38:07.640 to enjoy it, and I was very like you know, 0:38:08.560 --> 0:38:11.239 I'm gonna use the word term brainwash to like want 0:38:11.239 --> 0:38:13.320 to be great and want to do the right things 0:38:13.400 --> 0:38:15.839 and not go out all the time like I did 0:38:15.880 --> 0:38:17.440 every now and then, but like try to be a 0:38:17.520 --> 0:38:20.239 leader and be a captain and do all those things. 0:38:20.280 --> 0:38:23.080 I wish I had more fun in college from a 0:38:23.160 --> 0:38:26.319 sense like not take it so seriously because you just 0:38:26.400 --> 0:38:29.279 kind of like stress yourself out over it, but you 0:38:29.320 --> 0:38:30.000 didn't have fun. 0:38:30.200 --> 0:38:31.880 I'm looking back, it was just like I think I 0:38:31.920 --> 0:38:33.520 got high too much where it's like if you just 0:38:33.520 --> 0:38:34.839 like look at like a graph. 0:38:34.680 --> 0:38:36.120 When you say you got high too much, as in 0:38:36.360 --> 0:38:39.879 high is like having fun or high like. 0:38:38.800 --> 0:38:44.440 Like high high like getting high off drugs. Yeah, yeah, 0:38:44.440 --> 0:38:46.560 so I think I'm getting I'm getting high too much 0:38:46.600 --> 0:38:48.640 all the time. So like you just like normal like 0:38:48.680 --> 0:38:51.560 things that make you happy is like, oh, like going 0:38:51.600 --> 0:38:52.960 out on a day, like going to the movie, like 0:38:53.000 --> 0:38:54.640 doing normal things. But me, it's like my fun is 0:38:54.680 --> 0:38:57.560 getting as high as I possibly can. And so it's 0:38:57.600 --> 0:38:59.480 like football will get up to here, so but it's 0:38:59.480 --> 0:39:01.200 not fun because this is my new fun bar now 0:39:01.440 --> 0:39:02.000 and it's like. 0:39:02.160 --> 0:39:07.359 Things aren't Would it be substances in women? Yeah yeah, 0:39:07.480 --> 0:39:11.279 hand that's crazy, dude. And then you're you're playing and 0:39:11.280 --> 0:39:13.040 there everybody's like, yo, you're gonna be You're gonna play 0:39:13.040 --> 0:39:14.759 in the NFL. Then your your senior year comes. What's 0:39:14.760 --> 0:39:16.600 your senior like? Is it any different from what you've 0:39:16.760 --> 0:39:17.960 experienced up to that point. 0:39:18.160 --> 0:39:18.759 My senior year. 0:39:18.760 --> 0:39:20.799 I mean it's just like the suspensions carrier where I'm 0:39:20.840 --> 0:39:22.359 out like the first game my junior year, I'm out 0:39:22.360 --> 0:39:24.120 the first to first two games my senior year. 0:39:24.160 --> 0:39:27.040 I remember test basa for weeds three drugs. 0:39:27.120 --> 0:39:29.000 Yeah, and then it's like I remember vividly. 0:39:29.360 --> 0:39:31.480 I don't think no one ever knew this except maybe 0:39:31.520 --> 0:39:34.759 like one of my teammates. I wasn't playing, but we 0:39:34.800 --> 0:39:37.919 played Wafford the first game of the year my senior year, 0:39:38.160 --> 0:39:40.520 and I was just like, I don't feel like going 0:39:40.560 --> 0:39:42.799 to the game. I'm about to get as fucked up 0:39:42.800 --> 0:39:44.480 as possible and then go to the game and stay 0:39:44.520 --> 0:39:47.719 on the sideline. So I was drinking like at least 0:39:47.760 --> 0:39:49.680 like a whole handle of liquor at like seven in 0:39:49.719 --> 0:39:53.800 the morning, and holy, I mean my thing was mixing. 0:39:54.040 --> 0:39:57.080 I think was mixing. I think was mixing like pills 0:39:57.160 --> 0:39:59.879 and like mixing everything and just seeing like what kind 0:39:59.920 --> 0:40:01.640 of adventure I would just go on because I would 0:40:01.640 --> 0:40:02.920 just be like there would be like. 0:40:02.880 --> 0:40:04.719 No soul in my body out but I like that 0:40:04.800 --> 0:40:05.600 it was sick. 0:40:05.719 --> 0:40:07.799 And then making your boys laugh too, like on the 0:40:07.800 --> 0:40:09.280 sideline like let. 0:40:09.160 --> 0:40:12.400 Me yeah, mem it was like I had like the 0:40:12.600 --> 0:40:14.920 you know, like the power like gatorade bottles that the 0:40:14.960 --> 0:40:15.520 water was in. 0:40:15.800 --> 0:40:17.320 I would twist the cap off and. 0:40:17.120 --> 0:40:18.840 Be like you want to like let them sniff it, 0:40:18.840 --> 0:40:20.560 and it's like complete blocker, like filled all way up 0:40:20.560 --> 0:40:22.320 to the top, and I'm just like going through bottles 0:40:22.320 --> 0:40:22.600 of that. 0:40:22.840 --> 0:40:25.719 Yo, how coaches are somebody not understand that, like because 0:40:25.719 --> 0:40:27.560 you can smell when people have been out for a 0:40:27.680 --> 0:40:29.399 night and you're fucking fucked up. 0:40:30.680 --> 0:40:32.560 I mean either they didn't say anything or I don't 0:40:32.560 --> 0:40:33.319 know what was going on. 0:40:33.360 --> 0:40:35.680 But but yeah, that game, and I'm just out there 0:40:35.760 --> 0:40:37.520 the whole Like I'm started at seven. 0:40:37.360 --> 0:40:37.759 In the morning. 0:40:37.840 --> 0:40:39.440 It's like I'm going, I'm going, I'm going. So I 0:40:39.440 --> 0:40:40.840 had to be there before the game. I had to 0:40:40.840 --> 0:40:42.719 be in the locker room like two hours before. I'm 0:40:42.760 --> 0:40:46.120 drinking in the locker room, like I already popped like 0:40:46.160 --> 0:40:48.600 what I wanted and so like, so it's setting in 0:40:48.600 --> 0:40:50.239 by a kickoff like I was playing things. I was 0:40:50.239 --> 0:40:51.680 like all right by kickoff, like I'm about to be 0:40:51.760 --> 0:40:54.160 like literally on the sideline's like don't remember the game, 0:40:54.400 --> 0:40:56.880 just like just acting the fool, not paying attention to 0:40:56.960 --> 0:40:59.359 the game, like not respecting anything, like you think like 0:40:59.560 --> 0:41:01.560 you're just ended, You're just gonna be out there. It's like, man, 0:41:01.640 --> 0:41:03.160 like I wish I could be out there me. I'm 0:41:03.160 --> 0:41:04.560 like I don't give a fuck, Like I don't have 0:41:04.640 --> 0:41:06.359 to get hurt. I just get fucked up, like it's 0:41:06.360 --> 0:41:07.480 time for me to do what I want to do. 0:41:08.520 --> 0:41:12.480 Oh my god, dude, Yeah, that is crazy as shit, Blost, 0:41:12.520 --> 0:41:15.520 What are you thinking sitting back there? Man? 0:41:15.600 --> 0:41:18.600 That's crazy? And like I could, I could speak on 0:41:18.640 --> 0:41:21.960 it from like a from like a military standpoint, right, 0:41:22.000 --> 0:41:24.720 Like I mean, you know, the pain medications and stuff 0:41:24.760 --> 0:41:27.320 like that, and then like even going out before deployment 0:41:27.360 --> 0:41:28.640 like in Afghanistan, I mean. 0:41:28.719 --> 0:41:33.200 There was loss was a sniper, but there was there was. 0:41:33.120 --> 0:41:35.600 Like some guys that would you know, just get fucked 0:41:35.640 --> 0:41:37.440 up before going out on mission and stuff like that. 0:41:37.560 --> 0:41:40.120 And it was wild, dude, But that's kind of how 0:41:40.160 --> 0:41:42.040 you cope with it, and you just get outside of 0:41:42.080 --> 0:41:44.200 your head and it's go and perform. 0:41:44.239 --> 0:41:48.600 Bro. Holy shit. So hell, I don't even know what 0:41:48.640 --> 0:41:50.399 kind of question asked. You're going through your senior year, 0:41:50.440 --> 0:41:52.640 you're going you're getting ready for the league? Where's your 0:41:52.640 --> 0:41:53.160 mental at? 0:41:53.280 --> 0:41:53.520 Knowing? 0:41:53.640 --> 0:41:55.719 Like, yo, I got a chance to were you Were 0:41:55.719 --> 0:41:56.560 you a combine guy? 0:41:56.760 --> 0:41:57.880 I did go to the combine? 0:41:57.920 --> 0:42:00.760 You did go? Yeah, So like, what's your fucking mental 0:42:00.880 --> 0:42:02.080 like going through the combine? 0:42:02.160 --> 0:42:04.279 And it was four days of lying my ass off 0:42:04.320 --> 0:42:06.919 to front office people telling them that I wasn't gonna 0:42:06.960 --> 0:42:08.200 use drugs or wasn't gonna. 0:42:08.040 --> 0:42:10.000 Use anymore because you're getting questioned a lot now. 0:42:10.360 --> 0:42:12.200 Yeah, they're like this is this you like, is this 0:42:12.239 --> 0:42:13.719 just a phase? I'm just like no, this is just 0:42:13.760 --> 0:42:15.680 like me, Like you know how guys get in college, 0:42:15.760 --> 0:42:17.560 Like I was just like I could like wear a 0:42:17.600 --> 0:42:19.759 mask and just like make you think something that wasn't 0:42:19.800 --> 0:42:21.440 the truth at all, Like I could sell you a dream, 0:42:21.480 --> 0:42:22.360 like I got you. 0:42:22.680 --> 0:42:24.920 But you test for the combine? How did you pass? 0:42:25.320 --> 0:42:27.200 Yeah? I stopped. I stopped enough time to pass the 0:42:27.200 --> 0:42:28.120 combine drug tests? 0:42:28.400 --> 0:42:32.600 Was that hard to be abstinent from street drugs? Because 0:42:32.600 --> 0:42:35.000 it's like a I mean, I guess what is it now, 0:42:35.080 --> 0:42:36.960 February we're doing this pot right now. It's like February 0:42:36.960 --> 0:42:38.799 twenty ninth, so the combine's kind of just starting. That's 0:42:38.840 --> 0:42:41.200 like two three months absence, right or Yeah. 0:42:41.239 --> 0:42:42.680 But it was like I have to pass this test 0:42:42.760 --> 0:42:44.919 in order for me to keep like this life going, 0:42:44.960 --> 0:42:46.960 like for me to keep this facade going, Like I 0:42:46.960 --> 0:42:48.399 have to pass this one test and I can get 0:42:48.400 --> 0:42:50.399 back to what I was doing. Like then they'll be like, Okay, 0:42:50.440 --> 0:42:52.239 he passed a drug test and they'll be like, Okay, 0:42:52.239 --> 0:42:54.160 we can just evaluate his playing and it's like, meanwhile, 0:42:54.160 --> 0:42:55.480 I'm going back to exactly what I was. 0:42:55.520 --> 0:42:56.799 Like, I got you right where I wanted you, Like, 0:42:56.840 --> 0:42:58.160 I'm going back to what I wanted. 0:42:57.920 --> 0:43:00.360 When you did your drug test for the combine it 0:43:00.680 --> 0:43:03.040 did you go straight back to street drugs right after 0:43:03.080 --> 0:43:05.279 you pissed or did you have to test again? Like 0:43:05.320 --> 0:43:07.120 to where you're like, how long did you stay abstinent? 0:43:07.800 --> 0:43:11.200 It was just from the end of my senior year 0:43:11.520 --> 0:43:14.400 and doing through combine training. Like I smoked a little bit, 0:43:14.440 --> 0:43:16.640 like a couple of times during combine training, but I 0:43:16.680 --> 0:43:19.040 gave myself time to get clean further combine and then 0:43:19.120 --> 0:43:21.239 like the day I got home from the combine, it 0:43:21.280 --> 0:43:23.160 was right back, Oh. 0:43:23.000 --> 0:43:23.720 My god, dude. 0:43:23.800 --> 0:43:27.839 Then you get drafted Baltimore Ravens. Are you fired up? 0:43:27.920 --> 0:43:29.520 Were you fired up that you got drafted? 0:43:29.520 --> 0:43:29.719 Though? 0:43:29.920 --> 0:43:30.279 Why not? 0:43:30.880 --> 0:43:32.600 I was just I was just miserable, bro. I was 0:43:32.640 --> 0:43:34.840 just like, you didn't want to play football. I'm just 0:43:34.880 --> 0:43:36.480 doing this thing because I have to. And it's just 0:43:36.520 --> 0:43:38.359 like I would look, it's all about the approval thing. 0:43:38.360 --> 0:43:39.040 It's just like and. 0:43:39.040 --> 0:43:41.040 Your parents are excited for you. 0:43:41.160 --> 0:43:43.279 Yeah, they're through the roof, and they had like my 0:43:43.320 --> 0:43:45.400 parents invited people over and I'm just like I was 0:43:45.440 --> 0:43:47.520 up in my room just just like just drinking in 0:43:47.520 --> 0:43:49.239 my room and like getting high in my room and 0:43:49.320 --> 0:43:50.360 just like playing like FIFA. 0:43:50.400 --> 0:43:52.239 I think it was did your parents know like you 0:43:52.280 --> 0:43:53.160 had this issue? 0:43:53.840 --> 0:43:56.680 They knew what they knew? I was like getting fucked 0:43:56.719 --> 0:43:56.840 up with. 0:43:56.880 --> 0:43:58.920 They ain't, but they think they're like, oh, he's just 0:43:58.960 --> 0:44:01.000 being a college kid, Like he's just getting he's just 0:44:01.080 --> 0:44:02.960 drinking a little bit. I mean that's a super question 0:44:03.000 --> 0:44:05.479 because you got suspended, not not like taking a jab. 0:44:05.480 --> 0:44:08.359 I'm just saying like they're probably like, hey, do you 0:44:08.360 --> 0:44:11.400 need it? And You're like no, I'm fine, like like 0:44:11.440 --> 0:44:12.960 I just got messed up, like I just they. 0:44:12.880 --> 0:44:14.440 Would just see me Sunday, Like I would come home 0:44:14.480 --> 0:44:16.480 because like I lived like half hour from school, and 0:44:16.480 --> 0:44:18.480 I would just like PLoP down the couch and not 0:44:18.600 --> 0:44:21.399 move for like the entire day, and I'll just be. 0:44:21.480 --> 0:44:24.640 Like, were you like hoping you would be drafted somewhere 0:44:24.640 --> 0:44:25.560 closer to home. 0:44:26.160 --> 0:44:28.480 Like I didn't. I just felt like being drafted was 0:44:28.480 --> 0:44:29.680 a burden because I had to keep. 0:44:29.760 --> 0:44:31.400 So you didn't want to play at all. 0:44:31.960 --> 0:44:32.359 Nah. Bro. 0:44:32.480 --> 0:44:34.120 It was like it was like I have to like 0:44:34.239 --> 0:44:36.640 keep this life going because I don't want to look 0:44:36.680 --> 0:44:40.040 like that one dude that had a chance to get drafted, 0:44:40.040 --> 0:44:41.520 which was like I don't want to do this anymore 0:44:41.560 --> 0:44:43.359 and receive backlash from it because I was too afraid 0:44:43.360 --> 0:44:43.839 what people thought. 0:44:43.840 --> 0:44:45.440 Bro, I was too afraid of what people thought. 0:44:45.680 --> 0:44:46.520 That is nuts. 0:44:46.560 --> 0:44:48.600 What are you say in like the interview process, because you. 0:44:48.600 --> 0:44:50.680 Know, like most says a question. 0:44:50.760 --> 0:44:53.160 Yeah, most podcasts and most coaches and stuff like they 0:44:53.680 --> 0:44:56.120 you know, interview players right before they draft them. Like 0:44:56.440 --> 0:44:58.759 how was that process for you? Like did you just 0:44:58.840 --> 0:44:59.359 lie to them? 0:44:59.440 --> 0:44:59.640 Yeah? 0:44:59.680 --> 0:45:01.480 It was just straight up lives for four days, bro, 0:45:01.719 --> 0:45:03.560 Like four days in a row. And it was like 0:45:03.680 --> 0:45:05.080 I got so good at lying because I was hiding 0:45:05.080 --> 0:45:07.240 from the school. I was hiding from you know, people 0:45:07.239 --> 0:45:10.000 I was hanging around. I was lying to chicks out dating. 0:45:10.040 --> 0:45:11.920 So I was just like a very good liar at 0:45:11.920 --> 0:45:13.759 that point. So I just have to combine and just 0:45:13.800 --> 0:45:16.840 like selling folks dreams like oh man, like we have 0:45:16.880 --> 0:45:18.440 to selling potential and you like, do you want to 0:45:18.440 --> 0:45:18.759 be great? 0:45:18.760 --> 0:45:19.239 Do you love it? 0:45:19.280 --> 0:45:20.680 I was like I love this game, Like I would 0:45:20.719 --> 0:45:22.120 never let anything get in the way. It's just a 0:45:22.160 --> 0:45:22.920 complete live. 0:45:22.760 --> 0:45:25.040 Bro like an absolute lie man. 0:45:25.239 --> 0:45:32.040 Okay, holy shit, you go to the Ravens and again 0:45:32.120 --> 0:45:34.640 on Hard Knocks you you're you're watching your story. 0:45:34.719 --> 0:45:36.919 Yeah, my shit kicked in on Scout team. 0:45:37.480 --> 0:45:40.000 Yeah yeah, and I see he's like, come on, man, 0:45:40.080 --> 0:45:43.200 like make a play, like ye are you good? He's like, 0:45:43.239 --> 0:45:45.560 are you good? And now now knowing what I know 0:45:45.560 --> 0:45:47.080 about you, and I'm like, I wonder what the fuck 0:45:47.160 --> 0:45:49.319 is going through his mind? Like, so what are you 0:45:49.400 --> 0:45:54.480 doing now peeing on the Ravens like OTA's training camp, 0:45:54.560 --> 0:45:57.000 Like do you have do you have many friends on 0:45:57.040 --> 0:45:57.400 the team. 0:45:57.840 --> 0:45:59.719 I had no relationship with anyone in Baltimore. 0:46:00.520 --> 0:46:00.840 Really. 0:46:01.000 --> 0:46:02.840 I had a relationship with one teammate who I'm not 0:46:02.840 --> 0:46:04.640 going to name, just because we got high together all 0:46:04.680 --> 0:46:05.040 the time. 0:46:05.280 --> 0:46:07.520 Yeah, but no names for the boys. 0:46:07.400 --> 0:46:10.080 Yeah for sure. But yeah, I had no relationship, no 0:46:10.200 --> 0:46:12.040 relationship outside the building. Like in the building, gods, you're 0:46:12.080 --> 0:46:13.400 like always cool, Like it's like you could have a 0:46:13.400 --> 0:46:14.880 conversation with me, like we're in the tub, like we 0:46:14.960 --> 0:46:17.239 in meetings, like I'll joke, wish you like I'll get 0:46:17.360 --> 0:46:19.759 but once we leave the building, I'm gone, And it's 0:46:19.800 --> 0:46:22.120 like because people knew I was in the drug program too, 0:46:22.120 --> 0:46:23.520 and I was when I come out of college because 0:46:23.560 --> 0:46:24.200 my college history. 0:46:24.239 --> 0:46:26.320 So you get high around on these people. 0:46:26.680 --> 0:46:29.439 So just because you were suspended a couple of times 0:46:29.440 --> 0:46:31.480 in college, you immediately go in the drug program going 0:46:31.480 --> 0:46:32.200 into the NFL. 0:46:32.719 --> 0:46:33.880 But they gave me an opportunity. 0:46:33.880 --> 0:46:35.520 Like the NFL drug program is really leney at the 0:46:35.600 --> 0:46:37.080 end of the day, Like I could break it down 0:46:37.080 --> 0:46:37.439 for y'all. 0:46:37.520 --> 0:46:38.560 Break yeah, break it down. 0:46:38.600 --> 0:46:38.880 People. 0:46:38.880 --> 0:46:40.240 People want to know how this drug program. 0:46:40.360 --> 0:46:42.440 So it takes a hell of drug test fails to 0:46:42.480 --> 0:46:45.200 get to a suspended game, like one suspended game like 0:46:45.600 --> 0:46:47.520 your first Like if you're not in the drug program, 0:46:47.800 --> 0:46:48.640 say you fail test. 0:46:48.719 --> 0:46:49.480 That's one test. 0:46:49.719 --> 0:46:51.840 Say I come in and I'm completely clean, I just 0:46:51.880 --> 0:46:54.200 start smoking. I test positive my first time. 0:46:54.239 --> 0:46:56.920 What happened? Yeah, you you get put into the drug program. 0:46:57.200 --> 0:47:01.640 And then after that it is you you fail another test, 0:47:01.719 --> 0:47:04.439 that's a game fine, Like you're not missing the game, 0:47:04.440 --> 0:47:06.319 it's just they're just you're getting fined your game check. 0:47:06.800 --> 0:47:09.960 After that it's two game fine, and then after that 0:47:10.040 --> 0:47:12.160 it's a four game fine. And then you come back 0:47:12.200 --> 0:47:14.400 and then after that whereas it like the fourth or 0:47:14.440 --> 0:47:16.200 fifth test you failed, then you get to a one 0:47:16.239 --> 0:47:18.880 game suspension, So you really have to like start failing 0:47:18.920 --> 0:47:20.280 a lot to get to these games. 0:47:20.280 --> 0:47:22.719 And it's like, so somebody who's who gets suspended for 0:47:22.800 --> 0:47:27.000 one game has already failed the drug test probably four times. Yeah, 0:47:27.040 --> 0:47:29.000 but it sucks losing that that money. 0:47:29.200 --> 0:47:31.000 Then it's like you get to one game spension two games, 0:47:31.040 --> 0:47:31.680 Like I would. 0:47:31.440 --> 0:47:33.480 Say that's lenient, but also at the same time, like 0:47:34.239 --> 0:47:36.040 once you fail, once you get put in the drug program, 0:47:36.040 --> 0:47:37.560 you get pretty much tested all the time, Like you 0:47:37.600 --> 0:47:38.880 can't you can't really smile. 0:47:39.080 --> 0:47:41.319 I've been getting drug tested two to three times a 0:47:41.320 --> 0:47:42.840 week for the last five years. 0:47:43.520 --> 0:47:45.080 That's what happens when you're in the drug program. 0:47:45.160 --> 0:47:45.359 Yeah. 0:47:45.680 --> 0:47:47.200 I was like I was trying to get here three today, 0:47:47.200 --> 0:47:48.840 but it was like drug man pulled up, like and 0:47:48.880 --> 0:47:50.239 you have to wait for them to get there, like 0:47:50.280 --> 0:47:50.520 you can't. 0:47:50.640 --> 0:47:53.880 Yeah, Darren before Darren, okay, big money over here. He 0:47:54.040 --> 0:47:56.840 drives all the way from Atlanta to Nashville. I like, 0:47:56.880 --> 0:47:58.640 why are you driving three and a half hours. Yeah, 0:47:58.680 --> 0:48:00.440 He's like, oh, it won't be a breeze. I'm like, man, 0:48:00.440 --> 0:48:04.239 this dude just he's just cool. I don't know, like 0:48:04.280 --> 0:48:05.719 he's like, all right, I guess I'll drive all the 0:48:05.719 --> 0:48:08.440 way here to do a podcast. And then he's like, hey, 0:48:08.480 --> 0:48:10.400 I might be a thirty minutes late. Drug guy just 0:48:10.480 --> 0:48:11.799 hit me up and he's got to come through to 0:48:11.800 --> 0:48:13.600 do a drug test, so I'll be like thirty minutes late. 0:48:13.880 --> 0:48:14.760 All right, that's fine. 0:48:14.800 --> 0:48:17.000 But so two to three times a week once you 0:48:17.239 --> 0:48:20.240 that's right when you get in the drug program right away, yeah, okay, 0:48:20.440 --> 0:48:22.359 and then but if you fail after that, they're taking 0:48:22.360 --> 0:48:23.839 money out of your pocket. Even though you don't miss 0:48:23.880 --> 0:48:25.959 a game exactly, but when you see you guys missing games, 0:48:25.960 --> 0:48:28.239 and then you're like, oh, he's failed. He's failed at 0:48:28.320 --> 0:48:29.000 least four times. 0:48:29.080 --> 0:48:29.279 Yeah. 0:48:29.320 --> 0:48:31.600 So it was like before I was failing games, it 0:48:31.719 --> 0:48:34.279 was like I remember my second season, I missed it. 0:48:34.560 --> 0:48:36.400 I got to like a four game suspension and that 0:48:36.560 --> 0:48:38.600 was even lenient because I was just failing out ass 0:48:38.640 --> 0:48:40.160 at that point. 0:48:39.640 --> 0:48:43.440 And this is your this is sorry, I just I 0:48:43.520 --> 0:48:45.840 blanked out for a minute. That was your rookie year. 0:48:45.960 --> 0:48:46.520 My rookie year. 0:48:46.520 --> 0:48:47.799 So I was in the drug program and it was 0:48:47.880 --> 0:48:51.440 just like I they gave they actually gave me a window. 0:48:51.560 --> 0:48:53.560 It was like if you can make it too, like 0:48:53.640 --> 0:48:58.319 through the preseason and not like fail any tests. Like well, 0:48:58.360 --> 0:49:00.239 we're thinking about getting out of the drug program because 0:49:00.239 --> 0:49:01.600 they sent me to New York and they did this 0:49:01.640 --> 0:49:04.719 evaluation on me and I finessed the whole evaluation. How 0:49:04.880 --> 0:49:07.480 to getting them it was like a like a you 0:49:07.520 --> 0:49:09.440 answer all these questions about yourself, and it's just like 0:49:10.080 --> 0:49:11.480 I know that they're gonna want me to pick this, 0:49:11.560 --> 0:49:13.719 but I'm gonna pick this other one so they know 0:49:13.800 --> 0:49:16.359 they think that I'm a stable individual pretty much. 0:49:16.760 --> 0:49:17.439 And then it's like. 0:49:17.360 --> 0:49:19.799 Those are them gifted programs in high school. He's like 0:49:19.840 --> 0:49:20.640 ahead of the game. 0:49:20.760 --> 0:49:22.040 And then it's like I so I did that and 0:49:22.040 --> 0:49:24.080 they're like, your evaluation came back. So it's like okay, 0:49:24.080 --> 0:49:25.839 so drugs aren't really a problem for you. So it's 0:49:25.840 --> 0:49:27.640 like if you could just get through the preseason, we'll 0:49:27.680 --> 0:49:29.200 think about getting you out of the drug program. I 0:49:29.200 --> 0:49:31.440 couldn't get through the preseason, Like I was like, I 0:49:31.560 --> 0:49:32.080 can't do it. 0:49:32.280 --> 0:49:35.080 Why Why is this the stress? Is this the stress 0:49:35.120 --> 0:49:36.240 of being in training camp? 0:49:36.360 --> 0:49:38.879 And it ain't even have anyone. Bro, I'm I'm a fiend. 0:49:38.880 --> 0:49:40.600 Bro Like I'm like I'm a dead ass, Like I'm 0:49:40.640 --> 0:49:41.960 a professional athlete. 0:49:41.960 --> 0:49:43.320 But I'm a junkie, dead ass. 0:49:43.560 --> 0:49:47.000 That is fucking crazy, Dude. I'm sitting here because I'm 0:49:47.000 --> 0:49:49.320 trying to ask questions based on all of my stress levels, 0:49:49.360 --> 0:49:51.880 like coming through football, the league and everything, and You're like, nah, 0:49:51.880 --> 0:49:52.919 I wasn't even that, Like. 0:49:52.800 --> 0:49:54.799 I'm just stress. It was stressful, don't get me wrong. 0:49:54.840 --> 0:49:55.960 And I was just like, I have to impress all 0:49:55.960 --> 0:49:58.640 these people, just like, man, fuck this, I'm go get 0:49:58.680 --> 0:49:59.839 high and all this. 0:50:00.320 --> 0:50:00.640 Fuck. 0:50:01.080 --> 0:50:03.600 I'm the you know, the analogy, first person in, last 0:50:03.600 --> 0:50:05.360 one to leave. I'm last one in, first one to 0:50:05.440 --> 0:50:09.000 leave Baltimore. 0:50:09.080 --> 0:50:10.920 Yeah, I mean it just says, I mean, you are 0:50:10.920 --> 0:50:12.560 where you are now, So there's there's a reason you 0:50:12.560 --> 0:50:15.000 want to tell the story because I mean, you're you know, 0:50:15.040 --> 0:50:16.440 you've been helping people at the end of the day, 0:50:16.440 --> 0:50:18.799 because you're a testament. How long have you been sober now? 0:50:19.200 --> 0:50:21.319 Two and a half years. That's fucking let's go. 0:50:21.640 --> 0:50:24.400 Let's go appreciate. Let's fucking go appreciate it. 0:50:24.520 --> 0:50:28.239 So you're in Baltimore. How long? How many years a 0:50:28.239 --> 0:50:28.960 were you in Baltimore? 0:50:29.120 --> 0:50:31.120 I was there. I got drafted in twenty fifteen and 0:50:31.120 --> 0:50:32.640 I was there until. 0:50:33.880 --> 0:50:36.440 Okay, draft in twenty fifteen. When was your four game suspension? 0:50:36.440 --> 0:50:38.280 What year twenty sixteen? 0:50:38.480 --> 0:50:41.000 So you're felling you're failing hell a drug test. Up 0:50:41.040 --> 0:50:42.400 to this point, I'm willing to say I failed one 0:50:42.440 --> 0:50:46.000 hundred drug tests at least since you've been in league 0:50:46.000 --> 0:50:48.440 of that year, since I've been in the league since 0:50:49.280 --> 0:50:51.760 Over that, there was at you never know what's coming. 0:50:51.560 --> 0:50:53.640 On with his mother, because there was a stretch from 0:50:53.760 --> 0:50:54.640 he's like in one month. 0:50:55.600 --> 0:50:58.000 Fuck, there was a there was a stretch where I 0:50:58.080 --> 0:50:59.719 knew I was getting rug tested two three times a week, 0:50:59.760 --> 0:51:01.640 but I'll still getting high on the same rate. And 0:51:01.680 --> 0:51:05.640 so I thought of that I could drink like multiple 0:51:05.719 --> 0:51:08.440 detox and drinks in a week and like drink up 0:51:08.520 --> 0:51:09.399 saying amounts of water. 0:51:09.680 --> 0:51:11.400 You're sitting in the steam room, masuna tail, sitting in. 0:51:11.400 --> 0:51:14.160 The sauna, like I think that clip from training camp 0:51:14.520 --> 0:51:19.560 was me. I was sitting in the sauna during Ravens 0:51:19.960 --> 0:51:22.120 Ravens training camp. I was trying to be a drug 0:51:22.160 --> 0:51:23.560 test that day and I sat in the sauna for 0:51:23.600 --> 0:51:26.280 like an hour and fifteen minutes before practice. The sauna 0:51:26.360 --> 0:51:28.560 the dry sun, and I was like drinking water and 0:51:28.600 --> 0:51:30.520 I went out there to practice and it's just like 0:51:31.280 --> 0:51:34.160 you know, I can't beat the heat, bro, Like I'm 0:51:34.160 --> 0:51:36.160 getting my dick kicked in and it's like the heat 0:51:36.239 --> 0:51:39.279 is just too and it's like I have been sitting 0:51:39.280 --> 0:51:40.480 in the sauna and it's just like yo, like what 0:51:40.600 --> 0:51:40.759 are you? 0:51:40.840 --> 0:51:42.120 So I think it's I think that was one of 0:51:42.120 --> 0:51:42.720 those days. 0:51:42.560 --> 0:51:44.400 I could just look at myself and that thing and 0:51:44.400 --> 0:51:46.719 it's just like I look like I'm not even there, 0:51:46.840 --> 0:51:48.440 like like I mean, it could be a different day 0:51:48.440 --> 0:51:49.640 where I was just like hih as fuck out there, 0:51:49.640 --> 0:51:51.120 but I'm thinking like it was one of those days 0:51:51.120 --> 0:51:52.440 where I was out there in training camp and it's 0:51:52.480 --> 0:51:54.200 just like because I ended up like having to go 0:51:54.280 --> 0:51:56.200 inside because like the heat got me. And it's just 0:51:56.239 --> 0:51:57.759 like you know, they walking up the field like Darren 0:51:57.760 --> 0:51:58.600 Walla goes inside. 0:51:58.680 --> 0:52:00.439 I hear it. I hear the Ravens too, Like it's 0:52:00.840 --> 0:52:01.759 it's like. 0:52:01.680 --> 0:52:04.120 It's oh, yeah, it's roughest. That's roughest in the league. 0:52:04.239 --> 0:52:06.400 Yeah, I heard. It's like brut I'm talking like long practice, 0:52:06.440 --> 0:52:08.640 like long special teams practices, like fucking. 0:52:08.520 --> 0:52:10.799 Forty five minutes of special teams, full speed, like full 0:52:10.800 --> 0:52:12.920 field one on ones on kicking game like kick off, 0:52:13.040 --> 0:52:13.480 he go off. 0:52:13.320 --> 0:52:16.040 Returning like blocking hardball's a savage Yeah, it's. 0:52:15.880 --> 0:52:18.399 Really Jerry Rosberg shouted, Jerry Rosberg probably the greatest special 0:52:18.400 --> 0:52:19.279 teams coach of all time. 0:52:19.320 --> 0:52:21.520 But yeah he was savage in practice, saming harball. 0:52:21.719 --> 0:52:24.960 Yeah, because uh Camp and Arrow was on the tights 0:52:24.960 --> 0:52:27.279 with me, So me and me and Mike Camp. Yes, sir, 0:52:27.360 --> 0:52:30.160 I mean Mike, can't we talk about all the raven stuff? 0:52:30.200 --> 0:52:32.080 But I heard his brutal out there. 0:52:32.200 --> 0:52:35.160 Yeah, it's very rough practice, very rough on your body? 0:52:35.920 --> 0:52:37.959 Are you still wearing that bullshit column from high school? 0:52:37.960 --> 0:52:40.200 You were in polar Blue, You weren't curve you walking 0:52:40.239 --> 0:52:42.200 into Walmart spring curve on and being like, oh I 0:52:42.200 --> 0:52:43.880 got to have a good night out to night. 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We just hop right to 0:54:29.880 --> 0:54:31.480 ban for at least a year after that? 0:54:31.680 --> 0:54:32.640 What year is at seven? 0:54:33.000 --> 0:54:35.319 That was seventeen Because it was like, so I like 0:54:35.360 --> 0:54:36.640 that thing we're talking about, like I'm trying to be 0:54:36.680 --> 0:54:39.840 all these tests like with the with doing all that stuff. 0:54:39.880 --> 0:54:41.839 I'm i would pass like one out of the week 0:54:41.880 --> 0:54:43.440 and even that be a miracle, but it would be 0:54:43.480 --> 0:54:45.360 like I'm still failing like multiple. 0:54:45.000 --> 0:54:48.040 They So where's your mental dispoint? Because when I was 0:54:48.080 --> 0:54:50.320 watching Hard Knocks, You're like there was a point to 0:54:50.360 --> 0:54:52.799 where I was like, I knew everybody wanted me to play, 0:54:52.800 --> 0:54:55.000 but if I could just drug, if I could just 0:54:55.120 --> 0:54:58.400 fail myself out of the league, then I wouldn't have 0:54:58.440 --> 0:55:00.880 a reason to tell anybody why I didn't want to 0:55:00.880 --> 0:55:01.640 play fooball anymore. 0:55:01.719 --> 0:55:01.879 Yeah. 0:55:01.920 --> 0:55:03.759 I was just like, you know, I feel just like 0:55:03.800 --> 0:55:05.400 I came to this realization and it was just like 0:55:05.440 --> 0:55:08.040 I don't, if anything, I need to leave the league 0:55:08.080 --> 0:55:10.080 like and be away from this to like even try 0:55:10.080 --> 0:55:12.640 to get better. And it was like I feel like, 0:55:12.680 --> 0:55:14.640 you know, people have this fascination with the drug culture, 0:55:14.760 --> 0:55:16.680 and it's just like if you burn out on drugs, 0:55:16.680 --> 0:55:18.960 like some people even were just legends after burning out 0:55:18.960 --> 0:55:21.040 on drugs, and it's just like, if I just burned 0:55:21.080 --> 0:55:23.520 on drugs instead of just straight up instead of quitting, 0:55:23.520 --> 0:55:24.280 it look like a quitter. 0:55:24.280 --> 0:55:25.960 It's just like maybe people will look at me different. 0:55:27.040 --> 0:55:28.520 Wow, that's fucking deep. 0:55:28.760 --> 0:55:31.440 So I have my At the end of my second season, 0:55:31.520 --> 0:55:33.279 I tore my labor with like a month ago in 0:55:33.280 --> 0:55:34.560 the season. I played the rest of the season and 0:55:34.600 --> 0:55:35.840 then they're like, oh, you tore your labor and you 0:55:35.840 --> 0:55:37.680 gotta have surgery. It's like they gave me the bottle 0:55:37.719 --> 0:55:40.480 appeals and it's like, you know, thirty person there. I 0:55:40.520 --> 0:55:43.000 run through that shit in like two three days, and 0:55:43.080 --> 0:55:46.279 I'm right out in the streets like I'm in a 0:55:46.280 --> 0:55:49.960 hoo hood, like yeah, Baltimore in Baltimore, fine, really there 0:55:50.000 --> 0:55:51.440 was even there was even a there was even a 0:55:51.520 --> 0:55:52.520 dude like were you. 0:55:52.520 --> 0:55:54.080 Out there just rioting with Baltimore too? 0:55:54.719 --> 0:55:56.960 Nah? I feel like the riots go on. 0:55:57.080 --> 0:55:58.760 Like you just see Darren. What the fuck is Darren 0:55:58.800 --> 0:55:59.359 doing out there? 0:55:59.719 --> 0:56:00.440 But it's home. 0:56:00.680 --> 0:56:02.360 It's like, yeah, I'm in crazy parts where it's just 0:56:02.400 --> 0:56:04.359 like you ribe you ride the street for like ten minutes, 0:56:04.440 --> 0:56:04.920 it's boarded. 0:56:05.120 --> 0:56:05.600 It's boarded. 0:56:05.719 --> 0:56:07.719 There's no house with no windows, bro like for ten 0:56:07.760 --> 0:56:10.799 minutes driving like I'm down there like yo where they at? 0:56:12.000 --> 0:56:12.680 Yo? That. 0:56:13.760 --> 0:56:15.920 So it's like I'm purposely I'm purposely failing tests at 0:56:15.920 --> 0:56:17.600 that point, like after my second serion. 0:56:17.960 --> 0:56:20.520 Just you don't give a fuck anymore, like just put 0:56:20.560 --> 0:56:22.160 me out of my put me out of my misery. 0:56:22.200 --> 0:56:24.040 But yeah, but then it's like it's crazy, like I 0:56:24.360 --> 0:56:26.800 knew like I would have to do OTAs in mini 0:56:26.800 --> 0:56:29.040 camp before I'll get suspended. Like I was like, they're 0:56:29.040 --> 0:56:30.759 gonna suspend me in June, like I know how the 0:56:30.760 --> 0:56:34.680 ship's gonna go. And then it's like my shoulder heels 0:56:34.719 --> 0:56:36.759 and I go out there for OTAs. I'm just like, man, 0:56:36.800 --> 0:56:38.239 this is about to be the last time I ever 0:56:38.239 --> 0:56:41.840 played organized football, and like I'm just about to go 0:56:41.840 --> 0:56:43.839 out on a good note and be like fuck this ship. 0:56:44.000 --> 0:56:45.800 And I was just out there and I was killing 0:56:45.840 --> 0:56:48.799 them like yeah in practice, and OTA is just like 0:56:48.840 --> 0:56:51.640 what year is this right now? This is twenty seventeen 0:56:51.760 --> 0:56:54.080 seven spring, and it's just like I'm killing them. It's 0:56:54.080 --> 0:56:57.000 like we got a new uh tight end coach. He's 0:56:57.000 --> 0:56:58.960 the offensive coordinator for the ravens Now and it's like 0:56:59.360 --> 0:57:01.200 he's like, hey, man, like you about to go crazy 0:57:01.239 --> 0:57:03.440 this year, like we're about to like you about to 0:57:03.440 --> 0:57:05.120 be the guy like da da da da da, And 0:57:05.120 --> 0:57:07.480 it's just like damn, like I'm actually having fun playing 0:57:07.600 --> 0:57:09.919 the first time I really had fun, like overall playing 0:57:09.960 --> 0:57:14.560 football since middle school, like going into the freshman year 0:57:14.920 --> 0:57:16.600 and it was like damn it, it is fun, but it's 0:57:16.640 --> 0:57:18.080 like damn, but it's it's over. 0:57:17.960 --> 0:57:18.520 Like it's a rap. 0:57:18.520 --> 0:57:20.720 Like they finished suspend me like soon as you already knew, 0:57:20.800 --> 0:57:23.320 like right, and it's like there's no going back now, 0:57:23.440 --> 0:57:24.120 like so you. 0:57:24.200 --> 0:57:27.560 Balled and you're having fun in ots seventeen. Then they 0:57:27.600 --> 0:57:29.480 suspensed like the year long suspension on you. 0:57:29.600 --> 0:57:31.520 Yeah, I told the coach right far. I was like, coach, 0:57:31.640 --> 0:57:34.280 like I ain't even gonna go home, like I'm at 0:57:34.320 --> 0:57:36.320 least be honest here. It's like they about to drop 0:57:36.360 --> 0:57:39.320 the hammer on me, Like I did it on purpose, 0:57:39.480 --> 0:57:40.560 like I wanted to be done. 0:57:41.280 --> 0:57:42.640 I didn't know I would have fun. 0:57:42.520 --> 0:57:44.680 But you you kept it real with him like that. 0:57:44.840 --> 0:57:45.000 Yeah. 0:57:45.040 --> 0:57:46.120 I was like, I was like, coach, I'm about to 0:57:46.120 --> 0:57:47.800 get the suspension, Like they're about to hand it out. 0:57:47.800 --> 0:57:49.320 I don't know where it's gonna be, but they handed 0:57:49.320 --> 0:57:52.720 something out, like and the day after it was like damn, 0:57:52.720 --> 0:57:55.000 like a year long and it was just like man like. 0:57:55.720 --> 0:57:57.400 But when it like I knew I wanted, but then 0:57:57.400 --> 0:57:59.920 when it hit, it was like it wasn't my anticipated 0:58:00.160 --> 0:58:02.520 like damn, Like I was still like just even more anxious, 0:58:02.520 --> 0:58:04.120 like worried about what people thought. And it was like 0:58:04.960 --> 0:58:06.800 for two months even after that, I was still getting 0:58:06.840 --> 0:58:07.320 fucked up. 0:58:07.680 --> 0:58:11.800 Yeah, and so you're suspended all of seventeen. 0:58:12.040 --> 0:58:15.440 Ye, then what happens, So like those first two months 0:58:15.440 --> 0:58:17.919 of the suspension, I'm still getting sucked up, right, even 0:58:17.920 --> 0:58:21.120 more so than before. Yeah, and then it's like like 0:58:21.200 --> 0:58:23.240 I basically like have like an overdose in my car, 0:58:23.360 --> 0:58:25.400 Like in Baltimore, like a quarter mile. 0:58:25.280 --> 0:58:26.960 From the facility, in a grocery store. 0:58:26.760 --> 0:58:29.760 Parking lot, you had an overdose. Yeah, Like I didn't 0:58:29.760 --> 0:58:31.400 want to. I didn't think much into it, but the 0:58:31.400 --> 0:58:34.160 it was like once people kind of described like overdoses 0:58:34.440 --> 0:58:36.400 and it was like I got there. It was only 0:58:36.440 --> 0:58:38.919 like a minute away from my apartment. I could have drove, 0:58:39.000 --> 0:58:40.960 but like I didn't feel like I could move, and 0:58:41.000 --> 0:58:42.560 then it was like daytime. I went to sleep, woke 0:58:42.600 --> 0:58:45.479 up it was nighttime. And then in the parking lot, 0:58:46.560 --> 0:58:48.200 and then it was like damn, like I didn't tell 0:58:48.200 --> 0:58:49.720 anyone about it, and I felt like super weird. I 0:58:49.760 --> 0:58:52.480 was like cold and like just feeling completely out of it. 0:58:52.880 --> 0:58:55.560 And then there's like time after that. I was just 0:58:55.640 --> 0:58:58.520 like damn, like I I odeed in that parking lot. 0:58:58.600 --> 0:59:01.080 It was just like there's no one. You didn't get 0:59:01.080 --> 0:59:03.080 help at that moment. You just learned about it after 0:59:03.120 --> 0:59:05.600 the fact, and you're like, I fuck you put pieces together. 0:59:05.640 --> 0:59:07.360 It's like damn, like I didn't. I didn't just take 0:59:07.360 --> 0:59:09.480 ana in that parking lot. I didn't take that by choice. 0:59:12.080 --> 0:59:13.640 But then so it's like after that was like the 0:59:13.720 --> 0:59:16.000 kicking point, like I could have died. Yeah, after that, 0:59:16.000 --> 0:59:17.640 that was enough at that point, and then it's like 0:59:17.680 --> 0:59:18.480 I go home. 0:59:18.720 --> 0:59:20.320 What do you mean that was enough? You're saying that 0:59:20.440 --> 0:59:22.760 was that was your moment where you're like, yeah, for me, 0:59:23.720 --> 0:59:25.720 I'm a true junkie, Like I'm fucked. 0:59:25.800 --> 0:59:28.160 Yeah, I'm willing to try anything at this point, like 0:59:28.320 --> 0:59:30.920 what I'm doing, like I'm not I'm not in control. 0:59:31.000 --> 0:59:32.880 Like I always thought like I could like control my 0:59:32.920 --> 0:59:35.960 situation and get high and then like everything would work out. 0:59:36.000 --> 0:59:37.680 But it was like, not like this, it ain't working out, 0:59:37.760 --> 0:59:40.920 Like this is like this is a sign to no, bro, 0:59:41.080 --> 0:59:41.360 Like this. 0:59:41.320 --> 0:59:43.120 Is once you learned about the OD that's when you're like, 0:59:43.160 --> 0:59:44.280 this is the sign. No. 0:59:44.320 --> 0:59:45.880 I mean just even after the experience, I didn't even 0:59:45.960 --> 0:59:47.360 learn yet. It was like that happened and I was 0:59:47.360 --> 0:59:49.080 just like, bro, this is scary, Like I'm not doing 0:59:49.120 --> 0:59:50.560 this no more. Like I didn't tell nobody about it, 0:59:50.560 --> 0:59:51.680 but I knew it was how me. I was like 0:59:51.720 --> 0:59:53.840 something guy changed. And I went home and it was 0:59:53.920 --> 0:59:56.760 like I went to you went home in Atlanta and 0:59:56.800 --> 0:59:58.440 the league was still getting my toxicology. 0:59:58.600 --> 1:00:02.080 What time frame was this one was my in the car? 1:00:02.320 --> 1:00:04.160 That was August eleven, twenty seventeen. 1:00:04.520 --> 1:00:08.080 Oh shit, you know the day August eleven fifty. Then 1:00:08.080 --> 1:00:09.480 you go home win the next day. 1:00:09.960 --> 1:00:11.880 Yeah, Because I was moving out of my apartment in Baltimore, 1:00:12.000 --> 1:00:13.960 it was like I was, yeah, you can't even go. 1:00:14.880 --> 1:00:17.760 And so it's like the league is still getting my 1:00:17.800 --> 1:00:20.280 tossed collegee results and they're like, we're scared for your life. 1:00:21.080 --> 1:00:22.640 You need to go to I went to this place 1:00:22.680 --> 1:00:25.200 in Atlanta, like a rehab facility, and I met with 1:00:25.280 --> 1:00:29.040 addiction specialist like when the counselor's there and he's like, yeah, 1:00:29.120 --> 1:00:30.800 and you'd like a profile on me. And I was 1:00:30.840 --> 1:00:33.360 like completely honest with him about like you know, being 1:00:33.400 --> 1:00:35.479 like socially anxious and just like being like. 1:00:35.440 --> 1:00:39.120 You're being liketed. Yeah, you're just all up. 1:00:39.200 --> 1:00:42.480 Yeah, And he's like, you need to go to rehab asap, bro, 1:00:42.640 --> 1:00:45.840 like and I'm just like rehab, Like I'm not like that, 1:00:45.960 --> 1:00:46.400 like I could. 1:00:46.520 --> 1:00:47.960 I still I'm a professional athlete. 1:00:48.000 --> 1:00:50.360 I'm like, you know, providing all these images of to 1:00:50.360 --> 1:00:52.800 where it's like to make it seem like I'm not 1:00:52.840 --> 1:00:53.480 but I really am. 1:00:53.960 --> 1:00:55.280 But then he's like you need to go like da 1:00:55.360 --> 1:00:55.919 da da da. 1:00:56.320 --> 1:00:57.960 And I told my parents what they said, and my 1:00:58.000 --> 1:01:00.080 parents kept real with me about my family history and 1:01:00.080 --> 1:01:01.440 it's like addiction all over my family. 1:01:01.520 --> 1:01:02.840 And then it's just like, yo. 1:01:02.840 --> 1:01:06.800 Like when when when your parents found out did they 1:01:06.920 --> 1:01:08.440 have an idea you were like that or they were 1:01:08.440 --> 1:01:09.760 so caught off guard and then they. 1:01:09.680 --> 1:01:10.600 Just so your suspension hit. 1:01:10.640 --> 1:01:14.200 They was just like, bro, you are like well, they 1:01:14.280 --> 1:01:16.280 didn't really have much to say that they're just like yo, 1:01:16.440 --> 1:01:19.760 like what is going on? And it's just like then 1:01:19.800 --> 1:01:21.480 what But then like after I went to like I 1:01:21.520 --> 1:01:23.840 agreed to go to that place and they told me, 1:01:23.880 --> 1:01:25.000 like I need to go to rehab and I was 1:01:25.000 --> 1:01:27.280 like then they were like kind of saw like I 1:01:27.360 --> 1:01:29.520 guess like there was like one small step in the 1:01:29.600 --> 1:01:31.680 right direction. And then they told they were telling me 1:01:31.680 --> 1:01:34.200 about my family history and just how like it's all 1:01:34.240 --> 1:01:36.040 over my family history and it's just like it clicked 1:01:36.040 --> 1:01:37.800 for me then too, So it was like the experience 1:01:37.880 --> 1:01:39.960 of what happened in my car and then then tell 1:01:39.960 --> 1:01:43.560 me about my family. It was just like wow, like 1:01:43.560 --> 1:01:45.880 like it's like I gotta change, like something like something 1:01:45.920 --> 1:01:48.320 got to give, Like I can't keep doing what my 1:01:48.320 --> 1:01:51.080 family's doing and it's like killing my family off, and 1:01:51.200 --> 1:01:52.800 so like I gotta go do this. And I went 1:01:52.840 --> 1:01:54.880 to rehabit and it was like it was fire. Rehab 1:01:54.960 --> 1:01:59.840 was fire, Like yes in what way? It was just 1:01:59.880 --> 1:02:03.440 like I never put time into like working on myself 1:02:03.520 --> 1:02:05.640 or like you know, thinking for myself like what did 1:02:05.680 --> 1:02:07.040 I want, Like what did I want to do? Like 1:02:07.080 --> 1:02:08.840 how am I feeling? Like addressing those feelings which is 1:02:08.840 --> 1:02:12.000 always like suppressing them and so it was just a 1:02:12.000 --> 1:02:13.840 great experience and just like open up and not have 1:02:13.880 --> 1:02:16.160 any pressure of trying to impress people. Like I was 1:02:16.200 --> 1:02:18.680 there and it was just like, you know, I enjoyed. 1:02:18.720 --> 1:02:21.280 Like I started, I watched all I watched every Ravens 1:02:21.320 --> 1:02:24.880 game every Sunday in rehab, like just put my laptop out, 1:02:24.880 --> 1:02:27.480 watch the game. How long were you in rehab, like 1:02:27.520 --> 1:02:28.400 thirty five days? 1:02:29.120 --> 1:02:31.160 And just like you're talking about the therapists there and 1:02:31.200 --> 1:02:34.240 everybody you're kind of talking to, You're like diving so 1:02:34.400 --> 1:02:36.440 deep into the root of like who you are. You're like, 1:02:36.480 --> 1:02:38.400 that's what that's what, that's what makes it, that's what 1:02:38.440 --> 1:02:40.480 made it fire. That's what made it such a positive experience. 1:02:40.520 --> 1:02:43.560 Yes, it was just like complete game changer, complete game changer. 1:02:44.240 --> 1:02:45.360 Yeah, that's incredible. 1:02:45.520 --> 1:02:47.920 Yeah. And I came home and it was like, I'm a. 1:02:48.680 --> 1:02:50.720 That's crazy, right, Oh, that's so dope. 1:02:50.960 --> 1:02:53.160 I'm coming home, Like I come home from rehab and 1:02:53.200 --> 1:02:55.400 it's like like, sorry, I started going to like A 1:02:55.600 --> 1:02:56.840 and NA meetings in rehab. 1:02:56.960 --> 1:02:59.560 Now, hang on. You went to rehab towards the end 1:02:59.600 --> 1:03:01.480 of August through the end of like you know, to 1:03:01.520 --> 1:03:03.880 October or something. Yep, Okay, so you went right in. 1:03:04.440 --> 1:03:08.400 Yeah, and then yeah, I could start going to meetings 1:03:08.440 --> 1:03:09.920 while I'm there, and so when I come out, it's 1:03:09.920 --> 1:03:12.000 like kind of put a plan together. It's like the 1:03:12.040 --> 1:03:14.280 same place I went to meet with the addiction guys, 1:03:14.320 --> 1:03:16.560 Like I'm going to small group therapy once a week there, 1:03:16.680 --> 1:03:19.640 and it's like I'm going to two to three NA 1:03:19.760 --> 1:03:22.080 meetings every week when I get out. So it's like, 1:03:22.840 --> 1:03:24.240 all right, like I'm kind of rocking with how it's 1:03:24.240 --> 1:03:26.160 making me feel like, it's forcing me to be uncomfortable, 1:03:26.160 --> 1:03:27.760 it's forcing me to talk about things that I don't 1:03:27.760 --> 1:03:29.160 want to talk about. But once I get those things 1:03:29.160 --> 1:03:31.240 out there, it's like I feel different, I feel like, 1:03:31.840 --> 1:03:33.400 you know. And so I kept with that when I 1:03:33.440 --> 1:03:36.400 got home, and then my parents nobody went to church with. 1:03:36.400 --> 1:03:41.360 Who was a store manager at Sprouts Farmer's Market grocery store. Yeah, 1:03:41.400 --> 1:03:43.200 I got a job there at grocery clerk. 1:03:43.760 --> 1:03:45.640 During the season of twenty eighteen. 1:03:46.240 --> 1:03:46.439 Yeah. 1:03:46.520 --> 1:03:49.080 I started working there like Thanksgiving time in twenty seventeen. 1:03:50.600 --> 1:03:52.720 Okay, yeah, yeah, my fault because you're suspended. 1:03:52.320 --> 1:03:54.480 That whole year that's trough twenty seventeen. I worked through 1:03:54.480 --> 1:03:56.680 there till like the end of April. So I worked 1:03:56.720 --> 1:03:58.360 there for like six seven months almost. 1:03:59.720 --> 1:04:00.200 Man. 1:04:00.360 --> 1:04:03.080 Yeah, I dropped the bar on it in in my project. 1:04:03.080 --> 1:04:06.200 I was like, I was only making eleven fifty by 1:04:06.240 --> 1:04:09.000 the hour. You could check the wage fee. Yeah, I 1:04:09.560 --> 1:04:12.680 was making eleven fifty of working at Sprouts. 1:04:12.560 --> 1:04:14.439 And You're going to all these meetings every week. 1:04:14.520 --> 1:04:16.480 Yeah, I'm going to meetings like when I get out 1:04:16.760 --> 1:04:18.640 or like before I go in, because like I started, 1:04:18.680 --> 1:04:20.680 like my first day working there, they had me working 1:04:20.760 --> 1:04:22.840 like I got there like at night and had to 1:04:22.840 --> 1:04:24.680 work through the morning, and I was just like, I 1:04:24.720 --> 1:04:26.960 can't do this, Like just let me come in the 1:04:26.960 --> 1:04:29.560 afternoon and close the shop at night and I'll be straight. 1:04:29.560 --> 1:04:31.720 And they're like all right, So I'll go to meetings 1:04:31.760 --> 1:04:33.640 like before that or like the days I wasn't working, 1:04:33.640 --> 1:04:36.240 I would go to meetings in the evening. And so 1:04:36.320 --> 1:04:37.800 I was just doing that working at Sprouts, and it 1:04:37.840 --> 1:04:40.080 was just like I started developing like a self respect 1:04:40.080 --> 1:04:42.240 for myself. It was like the regardless of everything that's happened, 1:04:42.240 --> 1:04:45.040 it's like you're not choosing to think what people think 1:04:45.080 --> 1:04:47.720 about you. You're just in your zone and you're working 1:04:47.760 --> 1:04:51.160 to better yourself. And so I was like honestly happier 1:04:51.200 --> 1:04:53.320 with myself. Had more respect for myself there than when 1:04:53.360 --> 1:04:55.720 I was like in the league playing football, like it. 1:04:55.720 --> 1:04:57.680 Was going to sprouts and doing your thing and just. 1:04:57.600 --> 1:04:59.480 Like looking at yourself in the mirror, shot out sprouts. 1:04:59.480 --> 1:05:01.600 No free Shoto gotta say that you can't just shout 1:05:01.600 --> 1:05:08.040 out sprouts. But you know that's that's un that's unreal. 1:05:08.120 --> 1:05:08.400 Dude. 1:05:09.000 --> 1:05:10.840 When you got out of rehab, were you nervous to 1:05:10.920 --> 1:05:12.000 like go back out. 1:05:11.880 --> 1:05:13.400 And yeah, but it was like. 1:05:13.520 --> 1:05:15.680 I kind of be around people who you're like all. 1:05:15.680 --> 1:05:18.600 Right, Yeah, the first the first six months, it was like. 1:05:20.200 --> 1:05:22.960 I couldn't be around like things that were like people 1:05:23.000 --> 1:05:25.520 like being used in or anything. Like everytime I opened 1:05:25.520 --> 1:05:27.560 like the medicine cabinet, I'll just be like I had 1:05:27.640 --> 1:05:29.720 to shut it like dead ass. Like I would just 1:05:29.760 --> 1:05:33.360 be like and so, and then I'll be like super 1:05:33.440 --> 1:05:35.320 envious to people. It would be like, Yo, they can 1:05:35.320 --> 1:05:37.960 get fucked up all the time, like nothing happens like 1:05:38.280 --> 1:05:40.040 I get sucked up. I'm not even an asshole when 1:05:40.040 --> 1:05:41.600 I get sucked up. But I always seem to get 1:05:41.640 --> 1:05:43.600 in trouble out. Something always seems to go wrong. 1:05:44.800 --> 1:05:47.120 And it's just like because for you it'll spiral. 1:05:47.040 --> 1:05:48.680 Yeah, and it's just like why can't I do that? 1:05:48.960 --> 1:05:51.320 But then like after like six months, like the first 1:05:51.320 --> 1:05:53.120 six months, I was just like going to meetings, but 1:05:53.160 --> 1:05:55.400 I wasn't like working the twelve Steps. When I started 1:05:55.400 --> 1:05:58.320 working the twelve Steps, it was like just like unlocked 1:05:58.320 --> 1:06:00.440 shit even more for me because it's just just like 1:06:00.480 --> 1:06:02.880 a deep dive into who you are, Like you don't 1:06:02.880 --> 1:06:06.280 even have to be a drug addict to like do 1:06:06.480 --> 1:06:08.480 twelve steps, but it's like that kind of shit like 1:06:08.560 --> 1:06:10.280 unlocked me even more. And it was like after that, 1:06:10.360 --> 1:06:13.840 it was just like I realized, like, man, I'm not 1:06:13.960 --> 1:06:16.200 getting anywhere with that, Like that's not my purpose for 1:06:16.240 --> 1:06:18.480 me to be here. It's not to just for me 1:06:18.560 --> 1:06:21.720 to get high and just like fulfill myself and just 1:06:21.720 --> 1:06:24.040 like so I can feel better. It's about you know, 1:06:24.240 --> 1:06:26.440 just like or it's like overcoming that shit. Like it's 1:06:26.480 --> 1:06:29.160 like like we got bigger shit to do. Like it 1:06:29.240 --> 1:06:32.120 started to it started to resonate with me. It's like 1:06:32.120 --> 1:06:34.600 like I'm not a normal person, so I can't be 1:06:34.640 --> 1:06:35.520 acting like normal people. 1:06:35.560 --> 1:06:36.600 That's when it started clicking. 1:06:36.720 --> 1:06:38.280 And then it's just like ever since then, it was 1:06:38.320 --> 1:06:40.880 like the first six months, so I didn't want to 1:06:41.040 --> 1:06:41.800 didn't want to train. 1:06:41.920 --> 1:06:44.240 Really. I started kind of working out. I couldn't make 1:06:44.280 --> 1:06:45.480 it through workouts. I got hurt. 1:06:46.440 --> 1:06:48.120 But then there's like once it started opening up for me, 1:06:48.160 --> 1:06:49.480 I was like I'm not normal, Like I can't be 1:06:49.520 --> 1:06:51.960 doing things that normal people were doing. I got back 1:06:51.960 --> 1:06:55.520 into training and I was like just grinding like crazy, 1:06:55.600 --> 1:06:57.280 and then it was just like it's just shit just 1:06:57.280 --> 1:06:59.600 started clicking on so many levels and it was just 1:06:59.640 --> 1:07:01.440 like oh, like it was like. 1:07:01.400 --> 1:07:01.959 I was clean. 1:07:02.040 --> 1:07:03.600 So it was like I know, I'm on my p's 1:07:03.640 --> 1:07:06.640 and q's like when reinstatement hearing comes up, I'm gonna 1:07:06.680 --> 1:07:09.480 get reinstated, so I might as well get ready. 1:07:09.600 --> 1:07:11.440 And it's like now I want to be back and 1:07:11.440 --> 1:07:12.320 it's like okay. 1:07:12.160 --> 1:07:13.680 You're like itching to kind of play ball again. 1:07:13.760 --> 1:07:16.200 Yeah, like like let's lock, let's get it. And then 1:07:16.200 --> 1:07:18.800 it's like I got reinstated in August. It was like 1:07:18.880 --> 1:07:22.400 August ninth of twenty eighteen. It was like they had 1:07:22.400 --> 1:07:23.880 already been done a couple of weeks of training camp. 1:07:23.920 --> 1:07:25.960 I came in. People on a team light they've seen 1:07:26.000 --> 1:07:27.320 a ghost when I came in, because it was just 1:07:27.360 --> 1:07:29.360 like I just kind of disappeared with no nob you 1:07:29.400 --> 1:07:31.600 were going for an entire year and didn't tell anyone, 1:07:31.680 --> 1:07:32.360 like it just happened. 1:07:32.360 --> 1:07:33.640 And then it's nobody really. 1:07:33.560 --> 1:07:35.160 Knew what you went through either, like the rehab and 1:07:35.200 --> 1:07:37.200 all that. Maybe maybe a couple of guys, but you're 1:07:37.240 --> 1:07:37.840 just kind of kind I. 1:07:37.840 --> 1:07:39.520 Don't think anybody did. I ain't talk to nobody in 1:07:39.560 --> 1:07:40.120 the team. 1:07:40.000 --> 1:07:41.720 No onehew, you were working at Sprouts, no one there. 1:07:41.720 --> 1:07:44.120 You went thirty five days of rehab and then a 1:07:44.200 --> 1:07:46.760 whole year passes, and you fucking come back and you're 1:07:47.040 --> 1:07:48.080 you're like primed. 1:07:48.160 --> 1:07:49.919 Like I came into training camp. 1:07:49.960 --> 1:07:52.320 Brother, they thought, I mean, most people will think that 1:07:52.360 --> 1:07:54.560 it's like, all right, he'd been out suspended life for 1:07:55.160 --> 1:07:57.000 he's finna be come back, and he's not finna have 1:07:57.000 --> 1:07:57.959 it like he' finla lost a step. 1:07:58.000 --> 1:07:59.600 He sure playing like a drug addict. 1:07:59.680 --> 1:08:02.360 Somebody somebody, yeah, somebody competing with you. Like I'm not 1:08:02.400 --> 1:08:02.720 too worried. 1:08:02.800 --> 1:08:04.280 I came in the first day of training, came with 1:08:04.320 --> 1:08:06.760 cooking everybody, and they were just like, oh man, because 1:08:06.760 --> 1:08:09.760 they had drafted the two tight ends, rookie tight ends, 1:08:09.800 --> 1:08:12.880 Mark Andrews and Hayden Hurst were really good players, so 1:08:12.920 --> 1:08:14.760 they're invested in them, and it's like I'm there, and 1:08:14.760 --> 1:08:16.040 it's just like I think it just kind of threw 1:08:16.040 --> 1:08:17.760 a wrench of all their planning and like, dang, like 1:08:18.360 --> 1:08:20.599 we gotta like because then after that, it was just 1:08:20.640 --> 1:08:23.000 like the practice reps went down in the game, We're 1:08:23.040 --> 1:08:25.439 not getting no burned to the end, and it's just like, 1:08:25.520 --> 1:08:27.240 I think I got one target the whole preseason. So 1:08:27.280 --> 1:08:28.760 it was just like a business loop on their part 1:08:28.800 --> 1:08:31.120 to hide me because they knew I still had it, 1:08:31.520 --> 1:08:33.120 but they were like and they knew nobody would touch me. 1:08:33.160 --> 1:08:34.800 So I was like, I was just like probably the 1:08:34.840 --> 1:08:36.960 best insurance policy that anyone could have a tight end 1:08:36.960 --> 1:08:39.120 in the league being on practice squad with Ravens there, 1:08:39.120 --> 1:08:40.599 because they cut me and put me on practice squad. 1:08:40.880 --> 1:08:43.240 Yeah, and talk about just for a tangent, just for 1:08:43.280 --> 1:08:45.920 a second, Like teams will do that, like if you're 1:08:46.040 --> 1:08:47.720 you're a beast, like say, yeah, I mean you were 1:08:47.760 --> 1:08:48.840 in a rook at this point, but a lot of 1:08:48.920 --> 1:08:52.040 rookies say they go undrafted or their later rounds or 1:08:52.080 --> 1:08:54.880 something like, they will suppress their reps and not show 1:08:54.920 --> 1:08:57.479 them off in the preseason games because they want to 1:08:57.520 --> 1:08:59.960 sneak them onto a practice squad, so they don't want 1:09:00.080 --> 1:09:02.400 other thirty the other thirty one teams that like have 1:09:02.560 --> 1:09:05.240 much film on them, so guys will be like stress, like, Yo, 1:09:05.280 --> 1:09:08.760 I'm fucking I've been showing everything in training camp play. 1:09:08.760 --> 1:09:10.639 I don't see why I'm not getting any player getting 1:09:10.680 --> 1:09:14.439 any reps in the preseason games and you know not 1:09:14.520 --> 1:09:16.559 come to find out. But like what teams are doing 1:09:16.600 --> 1:09:18.920 is they're trying not to show any of the any 1:09:18.920 --> 1:09:20.799 of that product on the field, so they can sneak 1:09:20.840 --> 1:09:22.920 you on a practice squad. So the the way they 1:09:22.920 --> 1:09:24.679 can make room for somebody who's kind of a fenced 1:09:24.680 --> 1:09:26.760 player and see if they can pan out. If they don't, 1:09:26.760 --> 1:09:28.200 they'll cut that dude and move that dude up from 1:09:28.200 --> 1:09:30.040 practice squad. But they don't want you to go away, 1:09:30.080 --> 1:09:31.720 so that's why they won't play you in the preseason. 1:09:31.840 --> 1:09:34.000 Yep. So I wouldn't getting no burn. Like it was 1:09:34.040 --> 1:09:35.280 like people were watching the game. 1:09:35.360 --> 1:09:37.080 It's just like looking out for me, like when you're 1:09:37.080 --> 1:09:38.800 gonna get in And I was like, bro, I have 1:09:38.960 --> 1:09:40.080 no idea. 1:09:39.760 --> 1:09:42.519 But you're cooking everybody in practice your Yeah, Like that. 1:09:42.479 --> 1:09:44.439 First day, it was it was just known and everybody 1:09:44.560 --> 1:09:45.920 was just like shit, he's back. 1:09:45.960 --> 1:09:47.880 And then like after that, it was just like it 1:09:48.000 --> 1:09:50.799 wasn't like getting at like my reps kind of decreased. 1:09:51.240 --> 1:09:52.599 You still get a lot of working in training. Campus 1:09:52.640 --> 1:09:54.080 are trying to rest them guys. But when it came 1:09:54.120 --> 1:09:55.920 to the games, I wasn't getting a lot of playing time. 1:09:56.640 --> 1:09:58.200 And you know, I respected it because I knew what 1:09:58.240 --> 1:10:00.240 it was and like my mind, my mind frame was different. 1:10:00.280 --> 1:10:01.760 It was like, Okay, like this is how it's gonna be. 1:10:01.840 --> 1:10:03.840 Like just because I got reinstated didn't mean like the 1:10:03.880 --> 1:10:05.720 red carp was gonna get rolled out and like I'm 1:10:05.720 --> 1:10:07.960 about to be like this guy's like I'm back. No, 1:10:08.000 --> 1:10:09.920 it's just it's gonna be it's gonna keep getting harder. 1:10:10.000 --> 1:10:12.760 It's just like but it was like the like, you know, 1:10:12.800 --> 1:10:14.960 the experience in my car and then working as sprouts, 1:10:15.280 --> 1:10:17.160 that was all the humbling that I needed. Like that 1:10:17.240 --> 1:10:21.160 those two experiences humbled me to where it was just like, Okay, 1:10:21.160 --> 1:10:22.559 I'm going the practice squad. I'm gonna make the most 1:10:22.600 --> 1:10:25.080 out of this sweat anything. I'm not about to be 1:10:25.120 --> 1:10:26.559 like they gotta be on the practice squad. 1:10:26.600 --> 1:10:26.880 I'm this. 1:10:27.040 --> 1:10:27.479 I did this. 1:10:27.560 --> 1:10:29.160 They know who I am. I didn't think none of that. 1:10:29.200 --> 1:10:31.400 I was just like this is where I'm at. Cool, 1:10:31.479 --> 1:10:33.439 like lock in. I'm going to the number one defense 1:10:33.439 --> 1:10:35.680 in practice every day of practice during the week. I'm 1:10:35.720 --> 1:10:39.160 gonna if I cook them, if if it's God's will 1:10:39.200 --> 1:10:40.680 for me to play after that, then I'm gonna play. 1:10:40.680 --> 1:10:42.559 I'm gonna be ready because I'm playing number one defense 1:10:42.560 --> 1:10:43.960 every day in the league, no doubt. 1:10:44.200 --> 1:10:45.600 C J. 1:10:45.760 --> 1:10:47.759 Mosley is a Darius Smith on the Green Bay Packers, 1:10:48.720 --> 1:10:53.519 Tony Jefferson, Eric Weddle, Jimmy Smith, Marlon Humphrey, like the 1:10:53.840 --> 1:10:55.280 top defense in the league. And so it's like I'm 1:10:55.280 --> 1:10:57.200 going against them every day and it's like battling. It's 1:10:57.200 --> 1:10:59.519 like I'm winning there, winning and it's like I kept 1:10:59.560 --> 1:11:01.040 getting better every week every week. 1:11:01.240 --> 1:11:02.400 Then it's like I. 1:11:02.360 --> 1:11:03.600 Had one week it was like I think it was 1:11:03.600 --> 1:11:06.880 the week where the Raiders played the Ravens, and I 1:11:06.920 --> 1:11:10.000 was just like damn, like like I'm doing good, like 1:11:10.040 --> 1:11:11.200 I'm staying built up. 1:11:11.360 --> 1:11:12.040 I'm positive. 1:11:12.080 --> 1:11:14.360 Where it's like maybe I'm not, maybe I'm not meant 1:11:14.400 --> 1:11:15.960 to play enough the game again, like but I am 1:11:16.080 --> 1:11:18.120 enjoying being at practice and just like playing the art 1:11:18.240 --> 1:11:20.720 just it's just the craft of football, and it's like, 1:11:21.080 --> 1:11:23.640 so I'm enjoying that. And then it's like before all 1:11:23.680 --> 1:11:27.040 the games, I would me and RG three, would you 1:11:27.040 --> 1:11:28.639 know everybody's throwing a T shirt and shorts? 1:11:28.840 --> 1:11:30.639 Yeah, we would throw. Everyone would throw, and then after 1:11:30.640 --> 1:11:33.639 everyone went inside me and RG three. Then sometimes there's 1:11:33.640 --> 1:11:36.120 why she was Jordan Lesley. We would throw like an 1:11:36.120 --> 1:11:38.760 extra twenty, like an extra twenty routes to catch an 1:11:38.760 --> 1:11:40.120 extra twenty balls from RG three. 1:11:41.920 --> 1:11:45.040 Yeah shout three, yes, sir, shout three three, and we 1:11:45.080 --> 1:11:48.719 would get working and it was just like so before 1:11:48.760 --> 1:11:51.559 the Raiders game, it was just like I think only 1:11:53.360 --> 1:11:55.160 was they were just out there just like I don't 1:11:55.200 --> 1:11:56.599 know what they were doing their warm ups, but they 1:11:56.600 --> 1:11:58.120 looked over and saw me working out. They was like, 1:11:58.160 --> 1:12:01.559 who is that running around on Who's only Greg Olsen, 1:12:01.600 --> 1:12:04.559 the offensive coordinator for the Raiders, Okay, and he's like, 1:12:04.600 --> 1:12:07.120 who is that running around over there? And then it 1:12:07.400 --> 1:12:09.240 and then it turns out like Frank, who was my 1:12:09.240 --> 1:12:11.240 tight end coach, knew me because he was a tight 1:12:11.320 --> 1:12:15.120 end coach in Chicago, and apparently they were looking at 1:12:15.120 --> 1:12:17.960 trying to get me, but they couldn't. Like before I 1:12:17.960 --> 1:12:20.479 got suspended or whatever. Then he was like that's uh, 1:12:20.720 --> 1:12:23.880 that's Darren Waller, like he's uh no, tight end d D. 1:12:24.400 --> 1:12:27.680 And then it's like after that, it was like the game, 1:12:27.720 --> 1:12:29.840 I'm staying on the sideline watching the Raiders play the Ravens. 1:12:29.840 --> 1:12:30.960 And then the next day in. 1:12:30.920 --> 1:12:35.320 The morning, I got my window in my side window 1:12:35.360 --> 1:12:36.880 knocked off my jeep, so I had to go to like. 1:12:36.880 --> 1:12:37.639 This collision center. 1:12:37.680 --> 1:12:39.040 So I'm there early in the morning, like trying to 1:12:39.040 --> 1:12:41.240 get a new mirror, get an estimate. My agent hits 1:12:41.240 --> 1:12:42.960 me is like the Raiders are putting you on their 1:12:43.000 --> 1:12:47.080 active roster, and it's like like you're probably gonna leave today, 1:12:47.320 --> 1:12:50.200 and it's just like I'm just like wait, what, Like 1:12:50.240 --> 1:12:50.640 I had no. 1:12:52.120 --> 1:12:54.680 It's like I get back and talk to him. 1:12:54.720 --> 1:12:57.320 It's like yeah, They're like they're signing you to the 1:12:57.360 --> 1:12:58.880 active roster, like they want you to leave in a 1:12:58.880 --> 1:13:01.160 few hours. And then it's like the rule where you know, 1:13:01.200 --> 1:13:03.160 if somebody activates you off the practice squad, your own 1:13:03.200 --> 1:13:07.599 team can activate you too, And so Harball was like 1:13:07.880 --> 1:13:09.880 the whole time, they'd been like, man, like you know, 1:13:09.880 --> 1:13:11.720 if somebody goes down, you'll be the next guy up, 1:13:11.760 --> 1:13:12.960 Like you'll be ready da da dah. 1:13:13.000 --> 1:13:14.679 I'm just like, did they try to up your pay 1:13:14.760 --> 1:13:17.479 on practice squad? Na to match? Because sometimes if they 1:13:17.479 --> 1:13:20.759 don't want guys to go, they'll match the practice squad's salary. 1:13:21.120 --> 1:13:22.559 Like I think you get paid one twelve or one 1:13:22.600 --> 1:13:25.000 oh two on practice squad, they'll match like four or 1:13:25.000 --> 1:13:27.240 five hundred thousand dollars, so you don't leave and stay. 1:13:27.320 --> 1:13:28.200 I ain't getting none of that. 1:13:28.479 --> 1:13:29.280 You didn't get none of that. 1:13:29.360 --> 1:13:32.280 Yeah, yeah, yeah, And it was like something like something 1:13:32.320 --> 1:13:34.200 with my signing bonus where like I didn't play a 1:13:34.200 --> 1:13:37.160 certain amount of games or something where they were recanning 1:13:37.200 --> 1:13:38.920 money for my signing bonus, so they were cutting my 1:13:38.920 --> 1:13:42.760 practice squad checking half. I was making like sixty six 1:13:42.800 --> 1:13:44.519 before taxes, so. 1:13:44.479 --> 1:13:49.000 I wasn't making it. I was making pay Yeah. And 1:13:49.080 --> 1:13:50.040 then but. 1:13:50.080 --> 1:13:54.280 Yeah, so then they like, I'm like, yo, I harbor 1:13:54.520 --> 1:13:56.720 my agents, Like Harball is gonna call you. And it's 1:13:56.760 --> 1:13:59.160 like he calls me. It's just like, hey, like you 1:13:59.160 --> 1:14:01.200 should stay. Like the next week we're playing in the 1:14:01.280 --> 1:14:02.839 in Atlanta. He was like, you'll be in your hometown, 1:14:02.840 --> 1:14:04.439 you'll be active, you'll be playing. He's like, I've been 1:14:04.439 --> 1:14:06.080 waiting for this opportunity, cause they've been told me like 1:14:06.120 --> 1:14:07.599 we're trying to get you up, We're trying to get 1:14:07.600 --> 1:14:08.320 you up, and I'm just. 1:14:08.280 --> 1:14:10.559 Like it's in one year out the other. 1:14:10.680 --> 1:14:12.960 Yeah, like if you want to give me up, give me. 1:14:13.160 --> 1:14:14.800 Because they see what I'm doing in practice, and it's 1:14:14.800 --> 1:14:16.560 just like okay, like when these things are out of 1:14:16.600 --> 1:14:19.760 my control. And so he's like you should stay. Like 1:14:19.800 --> 1:14:21.599 he's like, then it's like you don't know what's going 1:14:21.640 --> 1:14:23.519 to happen out there when you go to Oakland, Like 1:14:23.560 --> 1:14:25.200 you don't know like what that situation is going to 1:14:25.280 --> 1:14:27.760 be like. And I'm just like, you know, I need 1:14:27.800 --> 1:14:29.400 some maybe I need some uncertainty, like I know what 1:14:29.439 --> 1:14:30.840 my situation is like here's because it's like, you know, 1:14:30.840 --> 1:14:33.599 we got two young studs here and and y'all feeding 1:14:33.600 --> 1:14:35.200 them and they're getting better. So it's like I'm not 1:14:35.200 --> 1:14:37.840 finna crack into what they're getting and y'all, y'all already 1:14:37.840 --> 1:14:40.640 financially invested in them, so I'm finna go see what 1:14:40.680 --> 1:14:43.240 this is looking like. And then so I'm like, yo, 1:14:43.280 --> 1:14:45.160 I'm going like I'm not I'm not staying. And then 1:14:45.160 --> 1:14:47.120 like I go to Oakland the next day, I get 1:14:47.120 --> 1:14:50.160 there for I'm practicing the next day and it's like, 1:14:50.560 --> 1:14:52.479 you know, I'm like fucking like, we're here now, we 1:14:52.479 --> 1:14:54.840 gotta keep the fucking door in. It's just like I'm 1:14:54.880 --> 1:14:56.559 going hard at practice, bro like hard. 1:14:56.640 --> 1:14:57.280 And then there's a. 1:14:57.280 --> 1:14:59.080 Couple dus out there. They're like, yo, like chill out, 1:14:59.080 --> 1:15:01.280 like what's going on? Like I was like, no, this 1:15:01.360 --> 1:15:05.200 how this is how I'm used to in Baltimore. But 1:15:05.240 --> 1:15:07.760 it's like it just turned up from there. Like I 1:15:07.760 --> 1:15:09.559 didn't like the first game. I sat out because I 1:15:09.560 --> 1:15:11.920 got there and I just had to like learn to 1:15:11.920 --> 1:15:13.680 playbook and stuff. Then the next week I got in there, 1:15:13.720 --> 1:15:15.040 I was playing a few players. I got there on 1:15:15.080 --> 1:15:17.400 special teams and people didn't know I played gunner in 1:15:17.439 --> 1:15:18.960 my first two years in Baltimore. 1:15:19.360 --> 1:15:21.439 Yo, a tight end out there had fucking Gunner. 1:15:21.520 --> 1:15:23.160 Dude, I was playing gunner and I had like quite 1:15:23.160 --> 1:15:24.000 a few tackles at it. 1:15:24.200 --> 1:15:27.599 Well, yeah, who we got. We got to a couple 1:15:27.640 --> 1:15:29.160 of tackles ship. 1:15:29.080 --> 1:15:31.960 But they had but Rich was like, like, what position 1:15:32.040 --> 1:15:33.720 you play? I was like, I played gunner and he 1:15:33.840 --> 1:15:36.920 was like, you don't play gunner. Then he went out 1:15:36.920 --> 1:15:38.800 and found film because like my second year, we had 1:15:38.800 --> 1:15:40.200 played Dallas when Rich was there and I was out 1:15:40.240 --> 1:15:41.760 there at Gunner, like running down there on Gunner, and 1:15:41.800 --> 1:15:42.880 he was like, you did play Gunner. 1:15:42.920 --> 1:15:44.920 It's against him because he was on he was coaching 1:15:44.960 --> 1:15:45.680 the Cowboys at the time. 1:15:45.680 --> 1:15:47.000 So I got there in the Steeters game and like 1:15:47.000 --> 1:15:48.439 they tried to dope me outside and I just like 1:15:48.479 --> 1:15:50.599 threw both dudes to the ground, like were into the ball, 1:15:50.640 --> 1:15:53.240 and they were just like, what is happening? And I'm 1:15:53.280 --> 1:15:55.160 just like I'm just like trying to take advantage of everything, 1:15:55.200 --> 1:15:56.400 like I'm just like flying around. 1:15:56.960 --> 1:15:58.760 And then in the in your off time too, is 1:15:58.760 --> 1:16:00.000 this when you're really getting into music? 1:16:00.960 --> 1:16:01.719 I wasn't really. 1:16:01.920 --> 1:16:04.920 I wasn't really doing any music when I was there, 1:16:05.000 --> 1:16:06.760 Like for when I got practice squad, like I was 1:16:06.800 --> 1:16:08.600 making beasts. Like I was staying with my aunt and 1:16:08.680 --> 1:16:11.080 uncle in Maryland, like you have my own crib, and 1:16:11.120 --> 1:16:12.960 I was in their basement just making beats the whole time. 1:16:13.000 --> 1:16:14.360 But I got the Oakland, I was like, you were 1:16:14.360 --> 1:16:16.360 locked in on Oaka. I was like out here for 1:16:16.400 --> 1:16:18.360 five game, playing five games and we just locked in. 1:16:18.479 --> 1:16:18.959 Yeah. 1:16:19.040 --> 1:16:20.920 And then after that second game where I got in 1:16:20.960 --> 1:16:24.320 and played a little bit, we played at Cincinnati, and 1:16:25.800 --> 1:16:28.120 I touched the ball twice and the first one was 1:16:29.000 --> 1:16:30.960 they handed me like a jet suite out of like 1:16:30.960 --> 1:16:32.920 a three tight end personnel and I ran for like 1:16:32.960 --> 1:16:33.920 twenty five something. 1:16:33.760 --> 1:16:36.160 Yards and everybody was just like what is Like what 1:16:36.280 --> 1:16:36.519 is this? 1:16:36.600 --> 1:16:38.200 And it's just like and then the second time I 1:16:38.200 --> 1:16:40.160 caught like a shallow crossroud, I ran for like forty 1:16:40.160 --> 1:16:41.920 five yards, like all the way down to the goal line, 1:16:41.920 --> 1:16:44.080 and it's just like at that moment, I was like, 1:16:44.120 --> 1:16:45.920 I ain't played organized football in two years, but I 1:16:46.000 --> 1:16:48.680 was like, I like I'm here, like I know, like 1:16:48.800 --> 1:16:49.800 it's time now. 1:16:50.000 --> 1:16:53.760 Yeah. Yo, that's fucking awesome. Man. Then you so you 1:16:53.800 --> 1:16:56.160 finished up the year with Oakland. Everybody's obviously excited about 1:16:56.160 --> 1:16:59.360 you probably going into the next year. What is your 1:16:59.400 --> 1:17:02.599 battle like with substances or being around guys or anything 1:17:02.640 --> 1:17:04.160 like that? At this point? Are you pretty locked in 1:17:04.200 --> 1:17:07.639 and you're not really uh, you're not really giving an 1:17:07.640 --> 1:17:10.479 opportunity for it, Like you're in the extended, say I 1:17:10.479 --> 1:17:11.719 assume even. 1:17:11.479 --> 1:17:15.240 Though no I'm not. I'm in Atlanta right. 1:17:15.160 --> 1:17:18.840 Now when you're in those last five games, Yeah, I 1:17:18.840 --> 1:17:20.760 was at the extending Yeah, that's what I'm saying. How 1:17:20.840 --> 1:17:23.320 was your what was your mental like with like drugs 1:17:23.360 --> 1:17:25.200 and stuff or alcohol or anything. Were you just not 1:17:25.240 --> 1:17:26.439 even giving it an opportunity. 1:17:26.479 --> 1:17:28.479 It wasn't even I was going to meetings. I was 1:17:28.520 --> 1:17:30.920 locked in feeling good on my recovery year, and you're. 1:17:30.760 --> 1:17:33.120 Like feeling good about Darren Waller, Like it wasn't even 1:17:33.160 --> 1:17:34.360 a thought in your mind, right. 1:17:34.640 --> 1:17:36.200 And then it's like you get around guys and just 1:17:36.240 --> 1:17:37.880 like we kind of have like Bible study and like 1:17:37.960 --> 1:17:39.719 kind of like like you just be like open floor 1:17:39.760 --> 1:17:41.680 like talking and I would just kind of like you know, 1:17:41.760 --> 1:17:44.400 say something, say something about like what I was going through, 1:17:44.520 --> 1:17:46.080 what I had gone through. Like the first time, people 1:17:46.080 --> 1:17:47.519 were just kind of like whoa, Like you're really talking 1:17:47.520 --> 1:17:48.760 about this ship and I was just like. 1:17:49.000 --> 1:17:52.720 I mean, I'm sitting here on the bus like yo, man, 1:17:52.760 --> 1:17:53.240 it's open. 1:17:53.439 --> 1:17:55.360 But then after that, like people were like, you know, 1:17:55.400 --> 1:17:57.680 they'll walk me, and like it was just like I 1:17:57.680 --> 1:17:59.280 could say anything and they were just like hey, like 1:17:59.640 --> 1:18:02.200 like like that's real, Like we just they're just listening 1:18:02.240 --> 1:18:03.960 to me. They weren't judging me or anything. And so 1:18:04.000 --> 1:18:06.040 it's like once I realized that, it was just like 1:18:06.040 --> 1:18:08.200 it made me want to be build more relationships with 1:18:08.200 --> 1:18:10.639 the team and just be more open around the team. 1:18:10.680 --> 1:18:13.120 And then that turned into you know, like the extra 1:18:13.160 --> 1:18:14.920 time I put in and it's just like I'm doing 1:18:14.960 --> 1:18:15.719 it for guys. 1:18:15.760 --> 1:18:17.280 You know, I'm doing it for the team. 1:18:17.320 --> 1:18:19.000 And it's like whereas before it's like also wrapped up 1:18:19.000 --> 1:18:20.479 with myself and just like I'm trying to get high, 1:18:20.520 --> 1:18:22.800 like the world is caving down on me. I'm just 1:18:22.840 --> 1:18:25.400 so worried about myself. I wasn't really worried about anybody else, 1:18:25.880 --> 1:18:27.840 and now it's real, man, So it's like that kind 1:18:27.840 --> 1:18:29.640 of opened up for me. 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When you said when. 1:20:34.720 --> 1:20:38.760 You got after the first after like the fifth game. 1:20:39.240 --> 1:20:41.120 And you're just you're just a monster in training camp 1:20:41.120 --> 1:20:43.240 and everything. I was watching because I was watching your 1:20:43.240 --> 1:20:45.559 Hard Knocks thing last night, It's like, yo, the boy 1:20:45.640 --> 1:20:46.720 Darren's a beast. 1:20:46.800 --> 1:20:47.880 And it was it was just bro. 1:20:48.000 --> 1:20:49.960 It was just really weird because it's just like I 1:20:50.080 --> 1:20:53.280 never started or nothing, but I was just like I 1:20:53.320 --> 1:20:54.800 was just like ready for it. I don't know, it 1:20:54.880 --> 1:20:56.800 was just it's still hard for me to wrap my 1:20:56.840 --> 1:20:58.559 mind around all of that. I'm just like, how fast 1:20:58.640 --> 1:20:59.599 everything kind of happened? 1:20:59.680 --> 1:21:02.200 Yeah. But but yeah, then. 1:21:02.080 --> 1:21:04.080 I saw the Madden guys ask you about your sixteenth 1:21:04.120 --> 1:21:05.840 Madden rating. You're like, yeah, it should be that, and 1:21:05.880 --> 1:21:06.920 you didn't bother you. 1:21:07.200 --> 1:21:08.680 Oh yeah, I mean what do you think? 1:21:09.000 --> 1:21:10.000 What do you think it should be now? 1:21:11.520 --> 1:21:12.920 I mean we got to be up around like mid 1:21:13.040 --> 1:21:14.000 eighties right now, don't we. 1:21:14.280 --> 1:21:17.280 I think so? I think so and Campbells were talking 1:21:17.280 --> 1:21:19.680 about it. How many tight ends? Where do you think 1:21:19.680 --> 1:21:21.400 you rank at the tight end world after this. 1:21:21.400 --> 1:21:21.920 Year you had? 1:21:22.680 --> 1:21:23.080 Uh? 1:21:24.000 --> 1:21:25.200 I mean it's a lot of good tight ends. 1:21:25.200 --> 1:21:26.680 Brou You know who you know who's coming on the 1:21:26.680 --> 1:21:30.680 bus Monday? George Kittle? Nice So Kittle will be on 1:21:31.000 --> 1:21:33.200 so that'll be dope. He's actually he lives out here, 1:21:33.600 --> 1:21:36.000 oh in Nashville, so that'll be a good one. 1:21:36.080 --> 1:21:36.479 Yeah. 1:21:36.520 --> 1:21:39.599 But we were talking him like, yo, man, he's got 1:21:39.600 --> 1:21:42.240 to be top five. Yeah, he's saying top three. I mean, 1:21:42.439 --> 1:21:44.000 it's just you just don't know all the tight ends 1:21:44.000 --> 1:21:46.320 that are. I can't like remember all the names that 1:21:46.320 --> 1:21:48.200 are out there. But yeah, the boy's a beast. 1:21:48.479 --> 1:21:49.680 He's had a good tight ends though. 1:21:49.720 --> 1:21:51.960 Shout at him, Yeah, shout out to the tight ends. Man, 1:21:52.080 --> 1:21:53.880 We're about to be a little tight end you and him. 1:21:53.880 --> 1:21:55.840 We got him and George Kittle back to back. Wow, 1:21:55.840 --> 1:21:57.600 We're going to try to get Cayle Rudolph on. We 1:21:57.640 --> 1:22:01.759 met him out of Miami. You know, this pod fires 1:22:01.800 --> 1:22:04.479 me up. What makes you want to be so open 1:22:04.520 --> 1:22:07.160 about it? Honestly? What makes you like want to answer 1:22:07.200 --> 1:22:09.400 all these questions and be so truthful and kind of 1:22:09.439 --> 1:22:11.960 get your story out there like you you basically have 1:22:12.000 --> 1:22:12.479 on this pod. 1:22:13.080 --> 1:22:15.439 So once I kind of said like things like bigger 1:22:15.439 --> 1:22:17.680 than me, I kind of looked and started tapping into 1:22:17.720 --> 1:22:19.920 the mind of someone that was me when I was 1:22:19.960 --> 1:22:21.479 like fifteen, and I was just like, told you, it 1:22:21.520 --> 1:22:23.439 was just like I felt like I had nothing going on. 1:22:23.520 --> 1:22:26.639 It's like somebody's people are feeling like that, whatever age 1:22:26.680 --> 1:22:28.800 they're at, and it's just like you just come out 1:22:28.800 --> 1:22:30.599 and keep it real and like let people know that 1:22:30.720 --> 1:22:34.439 just because I got a certain occupation or people look 1:22:34.479 --> 1:22:35.880 at me a certain type of way, don't mean I'm 1:22:35.920 --> 1:22:37.960 not a real person that's been through some real things. 1:22:37.960 --> 1:22:39.479 So it's like, what's let it be known you could 1:22:39.479 --> 1:22:43.120 be you can still be successful after you fuck everything up, 1:22:43.160 --> 1:22:45.880 after you you know, have nothing going on, like you 1:22:45.880 --> 1:22:48.080 can still get back up on your feet and still 1:22:48.160 --> 1:22:50.240 like you know, do whatever you want to do, like 1:22:50.280 --> 1:22:53.000 still like you know, chase after what you truly want, 1:22:53.040 --> 1:22:54.680 what you want your life to be, Like it's never 1:22:54.760 --> 1:22:55.400 like over for you. 1:22:55.439 --> 1:22:56.600 So it's like I feel like it would be a. 1:22:56.600 --> 1:22:58.080 Shame if I didn't say nothing, Like if I was 1:22:58.120 --> 1:23:00.120 just quiet and like no I'm not talking about. 1:22:59.960 --> 1:23:02.040 It, that I would be like that'd be a shame. 1:23:02.080 --> 1:23:03.639 I feel like, do you speak? 1:23:04.280 --> 1:23:06.719 Yeah? I started sharing that like recovery meetings, and then. 1:23:06.640 --> 1:23:09.000 I was like I share that like my high school 1:23:09.080 --> 1:23:11.679 and sharing that schools, like sharing that some some camps 1:23:11.760 --> 1:23:15.120 like in the Atlanta area. Yeah, any opportunity somebody gives 1:23:15.160 --> 1:23:16.439 me to speak, I'm all over it. 1:23:16.640 --> 1:23:19.680 That's awesome, man, I did. I'm fired up for you. 1:23:19.960 --> 1:23:21.640 I didn't know any of this stuff about you, Like 1:23:21.640 --> 1:23:24.200 I knew obviously watching a couple of videos and literally 1:23:24.240 --> 1:23:26.040 like when I see the videos, like when I'm watching 1:23:26.040 --> 1:23:28.880 it last night before you come on, I'm just like, Yo, 1:23:28.960 --> 1:23:31.080 that's you know, I'm thinking, like that's my boy. Like 1:23:31.160 --> 1:23:33.519 I met and had no idea that this was his 1:23:33.600 --> 1:23:36.320 story or his life, like just because again, we were 1:23:36.360 --> 1:23:39.439 in the Extended's day and we were just teammates and 1:23:39.520 --> 1:23:41.000 kind of, you know, friends, like you were like one 1:23:41.040 --> 1:23:43.000 of my friends like throughout the rest of the year 1:23:43.280 --> 1:23:45.960 on the Raiders. I'm like, yeah, it's what's crazy about 1:23:46.040 --> 1:23:46.920 no fucking clue. 1:23:46.960 --> 1:23:48.040 There's people I had I. 1:23:48.000 --> 1:23:50.320 Was like best friends with for since I was a kid, 1:23:50.439 --> 1:23:52.639 like for double digit years, and then here to shit 1:23:52.720 --> 1:23:54.040 come out there like I didn't even know. So it's 1:23:54.040 --> 1:23:56.920 like I'm not talking. I wasn't talking to nobody about nothing. 1:23:57.000 --> 1:23:58.200 It was just like, you know, I was just in 1:23:58.200 --> 1:23:59.240 my own world, just hidding. 1:24:00.360 --> 1:24:02.760 And that's super real because so many people go through 1:24:02.800 --> 1:24:06.000 things and me, I've you know, fortunately, I haven't been 1:24:06.080 --> 1:24:09.719 down or beens that involved in something that that abusive 1:24:09.800 --> 1:24:12.000 or anything like that. But people have so many like 1:24:12.040 --> 1:24:14.479 real thoughts and emotions that stays kind of suppressed. And 1:24:14.520 --> 1:24:17.120 then when people you kind of just talk to friends 1:24:17.200 --> 1:24:19.400 or group of people about it and you're kind of like, oh, 1:24:19.439 --> 1:24:21.840 that person's kind of like me in this sense, or 1:24:22.240 --> 1:24:25.280 all these insecurities you learn about somebody and you're like, Yo, 1:24:25.720 --> 1:24:30.200 humans are just fucking humans, dude. Yo, that's wild man. 1:24:30.760 --> 1:24:32.880 I'm stoked you came on. I can literally I blush 1:24:32.920 --> 1:24:35.080 the show over at eighty minutes. I could talk. I 1:24:35.120 --> 1:24:36.600 could sit here the rest of the fucking day with 1:24:36.640 --> 1:24:40.720 you and talk about you know what I'm saying. Done? Oh, 1:24:40.800 --> 1:24:43.640 hands down. Wow. I wish the Boy was here. I 1:24:43.640 --> 1:24:48.840 mean hopefully you know he listens. But I'm fired up 1:24:48.840 --> 1:24:51.360 about this man. I'm like, there's so many things I 1:24:51.400 --> 1:24:53.320 feel like I want to ask and I'm not thinking 1:24:53.320 --> 1:24:56.000 about do you can you guys think of anything? I 1:24:56.040 --> 1:24:58.200 know you had a bunch like we shouted you out 1:24:58.240 --> 1:25:01.960 on Twitter, free shout outs you're the boy and they're 1:25:02.600 --> 1:25:04.719 I mean, you had a lot of traction. People wanted 1:25:04.760 --> 1:25:06.760 to ask questions and learn about you. Do you want 1:25:06.760 --> 1:25:07.479 to bring some of them up? 1:25:07.640 --> 1:25:10.320 Yeah, there's a few fan questions. Uh do you have 1:25:10.360 --> 1:25:12.000 a favorite John Gruden story? 1:25:13.280 --> 1:25:16.840 Oh? There we go, Yo. It's a lot of stuff 1:25:16.840 --> 1:25:18.439 that Darren waller Man. 1:25:18.920 --> 1:25:19.080 Nah. 1:25:19.200 --> 1:25:22.360 I mean, I'll probably say my favorite is. 1:25:22.880 --> 1:25:26.840 Darren waller Man making some big plays over overcoming the adversity. 1:25:26.920 --> 1:25:29.120 Knock on wood if you're with me, knock on wood 1:25:29.160 --> 1:25:30.200 for Darren waller Man. 1:25:30.360 --> 1:25:32.400 I mean, I just remember, like when I first got there, 1:25:32.960 --> 1:25:33.719 he was just like. 1:25:33.680 --> 1:25:34.880 Hey, Hey, knock on wood. 1:25:35.280 --> 1:25:36.400 Oh yeah, Gruden. 1:25:37.920 --> 1:25:39.559 When I first got there, like all the practice squad, 1:25:39.560 --> 1:25:41.040 he was like, you're gonna do great things for He's 1:25:41.040 --> 1:25:43.000 gonna be great, and it's just like I wouldn't even 1:25:43.000 --> 1:25:44.479 think like that, and I was just like, let's just 1:25:44.520 --> 1:25:45.639 not fuck this up this time. 1:25:45.920 --> 1:25:50.320 That's just like the time, man, let's just not ruin it. 1:25:50.400 --> 1:25:52.080 Like I feel like I could do good enough if 1:25:52.080 --> 1:25:54.360 we just don't ruin it myself, like yeah, my own way. 1:25:54.400 --> 1:25:56.439 But Gruden's like talking like greatness out the gate, and 1:25:56.439 --> 1:25:58.840 I'm just like I can't comprehend it. Like he kind 1:25:58.840 --> 1:26:00.960 of fires you up right, and it's like the whole 1:26:00.960 --> 1:26:03.799 off season he's just like gassing me up like publicly, 1:26:03.840 --> 1:26:05.479 and I'm just like in my mind, I'm just like yo, 1:26:05.680 --> 1:26:08.640 like Gruden like ch like then it's just like, you know, 1:26:08.640 --> 1:26:09.960 he could see that in me, and it's like once 1:26:10.000 --> 1:26:12.200 I start seeing it myself, it was just like, you know, 1:26:12.240 --> 1:26:14.240 it's like had that connection. But he would have just 1:26:14.280 --> 1:26:15.719 like a new nickname for me every week. 1:26:15.840 --> 1:26:19.240 That's why, Yeah, he fires me up man, Like you know, 1:26:19.320 --> 1:26:22.920 I'm mid year free agent, thirty years old, like note 1:26:23.400 --> 1:26:25.320 wondering if it might be my last year since I'm 1:26:25.320 --> 1:26:27.040 a midyear guy, you know what I mean, Like you 1:26:27.120 --> 1:26:28.760 kind of go through nobody picks you up. I was 1:26:28.760 --> 1:26:31.160 with the Saints for a second injured my ankle, so 1:26:31.200 --> 1:26:32.960 I was I had an injury settlement and was kind 1:26:32.960 --> 1:26:36.280 of working through that tailgating with the bus at Nashville 1:26:36.479 --> 1:26:39.840 with the Titan Titan Stadium Raiders end up calling and 1:26:39.880 --> 1:26:43.479 bringing me out there because Jay Gruden probably put in 1:26:43.479 --> 1:26:44.960 a good word for the boy. Shout out Jay Gruden 1:26:45.000 --> 1:26:47.599 out there to his brother John. I get out there 1:26:47.640 --> 1:26:50.120 and John, like coach Cruden, he just immediately kind of 1:26:50.120 --> 1:26:53.400 fires you up the content. I'm fucking glad you're here. Man. 1:26:53.479 --> 1:26:56.400 You're gonna love this plot spot way more than anywhere 1:26:56.400 --> 1:26:58.280 else you've been. And I'm like fired up with my 1:26:58.320 --> 1:27:01.000 hey uh uh. Brother wanted me to put in a 1:27:01.000 --> 1:27:02.920 good word. He said he'd intern for you because Jay 1:27:02.960 --> 1:27:06.480 had just gotten fired from the Redskins, and I'm like, hey, Jap, 1:27:06.520 --> 1:27:07.519 He's like, hey, you want to know if he can 1:27:07.520 --> 1:27:09.040 get an intern job out of here with you, like 1:27:09.120 --> 1:27:11.960 laughing and stuff. But he fires you up, dude, Like 1:27:12.840 --> 1:27:14.640 I don't know how to explain it, Like he's like 1:27:14.720 --> 1:27:16.040 speaking greatness into you. 1:27:16.200 --> 1:27:18.040 Yeah, it's just like people kind of think like because 1:27:18.040 --> 1:27:19.840 when he came from Monday Night Football, he signed like 1:27:19.840 --> 1:27:23.080 a like a for a bag, like yeah, and a 1:27:23.200 --> 1:27:23.959 hundred million. 1:27:23.760 --> 1:27:25.879 People were just like, you know this just for his profile. 1:27:25.920 --> 1:27:28.320 It's just like he just doing this so like so 1:27:28.400 --> 1:27:30.280 his name gets up like he's doing it for himself. 1:27:30.280 --> 1:27:32.240 But it's like now he really cares, like he really 1:27:32.240 --> 1:27:34.080 fucking came out there, and he'd be out there in 1:27:34.120 --> 1:27:36.720 the walkthrough. It's like he has his next sweat, Like 1:27:36.760 --> 1:27:38.840 he'd just be sweating like in the walkthrough and like 1:27:38.880 --> 1:27:41.080 coaching and like going through the plays like all the 1:27:41.120 --> 1:27:43.280 details and it's like you can't do that if you 1:27:43.280 --> 1:27:43.640 don't care. 1:27:43.760 --> 1:27:45.879 And he tells his players he loves them all the time. 1:27:45.760 --> 1:27:48.560 Right, And it's just like he's so invested. It's like 1:27:48.560 --> 1:27:50.479 like tell a tell a fan that things like he 1:27:50.640 --> 1:27:53.120 just out here just like just for his own like bravado, 1:27:53.240 --> 1:27:55.599 Like just come to practice and see like how into. 1:27:55.400 --> 1:27:57.080 It he is, and you'd be like, oh, this dude cares. 1:27:57.120 --> 1:27:58.920 Oh he cares. And then you win games and he's 1:27:58.920 --> 1:28:01.200 out there like in the stands with fans. Yeah. There, 1:28:04.760 --> 1:28:06.439 Like the first week, the first week I was there 1:28:06.479 --> 1:28:08.479 because I was I was like thrown into the fire 1:28:08.479 --> 1:28:10.880 in the first week. He's like hey, it's like I 1:28:10.880 --> 1:28:13.120 think it was like Friday or Saturday. He's like, hey, 1:28:13.160 --> 1:28:15.040 you feel good about everything? And I was like yeah. 1:28:15.040 --> 1:28:16.519 He's like you're getting everything. I was like, yeah, I'll 1:28:16.560 --> 1:28:18.519 be straight. Something into my mind, like yeah, I can 1:28:18.560 --> 1:28:20.720 pick I can pick this stuff up. Like honestly, I 1:28:20.760 --> 1:28:22.400 just need to get out there and play because i'ven't 1:28:22.400 --> 1:28:25.120 fucking played in a year. Like I haven't. I haven't 1:28:25.160 --> 1:28:28.439 played a game as a linebacker. I mean I played, 1:28:28.520 --> 1:28:30.479 I guess in the preseason for a second with the Saints, 1:28:30.479 --> 1:28:32.800 but I was only there like four fucking days, you 1:28:32.840 --> 1:28:34.680 know what I mean. But I haven't played in live 1:28:34.760 --> 1:28:37.000 bullets in like a year. So I just need to 1:28:37.000 --> 1:28:39.320 get out there and play like I'm starting. It's fucking crazy. 1:28:39.640 --> 1:28:41.720 And he's like, you don't need to be perfect, man, 1:28:41.800 --> 1:28:44.439 like just just play fast, like I know you know 1:28:44.479 --> 1:28:46.040 what you're doing. I'm glad you're here, man. I'm like 1:28:46.600 --> 1:28:48.240 I'm like, I'm glad i'm here too. He's like, I 1:28:48.280 --> 1:28:53.080 love you, man, and I just said like thanks, Oh 1:28:53.120 --> 1:28:55.760 my god. That's we're kind of moving fast. But you know, 1:28:55.840 --> 1:28:58.519 I love being here too. But he's a study. He 1:28:58.560 --> 1:29:01.479 really does fucking care, and uh, you know, he fires 1:29:01.479 --> 1:29:04.479 me up. This fucking podcast fires me up. Yeah, I'm 1:29:04.479 --> 1:29:07.560 glad you came, bro, thanks for having me. I'm glad. Uh, 1:29:07.880 --> 1:29:10.080 I'm glad you're doing your music. I'm glad you're fucking 1:29:10.280 --> 1:29:12.479 what'd you say two and a half you're coming up 1:29:12.479 --> 1:29:14.840 on three years sober, two and a half years sober. 1:29:14.600 --> 1:29:15.559 Three years in August. 1:29:15.680 --> 1:29:22.080 YEP, that fires me up, dude, And man, I fucking 1:29:22.160 --> 1:29:27.200 root for Darren Waller. You know again, like I didn't know. 1:29:27.680 --> 1:29:29.599 I didn't know this in depth story about you. I 1:29:29.680 --> 1:29:31.639 just know what I've seen on fucking YouTube and Hard 1:29:31.720 --> 1:29:34.160 Knocks for two and a half minutes. It's a real 1:29:34.200 --> 1:29:36.559 convenient that they got you with your shirt off, working out, 1:29:36.560 --> 1:29:40.799 really sweating, and that's real convenient of you. Yeah, fucking 1:29:41.160 --> 1:29:46.720 out there looking shredded, no pause, real fucking convenient. Hey, 1:29:46.720 --> 1:29:48.479 we're gonna come around the corner. We're really gonna doash 1:29:48.520 --> 1:29:50.360 you with water and sweat, so just look. 1:29:50.240 --> 1:29:52.840 Like you're Yeah. I had to. 1:29:53.439 --> 1:29:56.760 I sprained my ac joint inte training camp, and so 1:29:56.840 --> 1:29:59.519 there's a few days where I couldn't practice, so I 1:29:59.560 --> 1:30:01.479 was like trying getting my extra work in and that 1:30:01.600 --> 1:30:03.880 was later in the day. And then like the way 1:30:03.920 --> 1:30:05.800 they had their tent set up was like right where 1:30:05.840 --> 1:30:08.120 the workout area was, and they were just over there 1:30:08.120 --> 1:30:11.000 sitting down like not doing anything. They saw me working out. 1:30:11.800 --> 1:30:14.439 I look over they grabbing all this ship, like picking cameras. 1:30:15.040 --> 1:30:16.000 They had to come over here, and. 1:30:16.320 --> 1:30:19.160 You just start fucking going up. I was already going, 1:30:20.120 --> 1:30:21.960 but then you really started to go. 1:30:21.960 --> 1:30:23.720 On, and I was like, let me just tune people out. 1:30:23.720 --> 1:30:29.599 Bro. They got that camera, the camera, I was fucking 1:30:29.680 --> 1:30:37.800 I was watching boy fuck dude, Hey thanks again. Man. 1:30:38.200 --> 1:30:40.439 Do you do you have Is there any any advice 1:30:40.479 --> 1:30:43.280 you give people going through anything? Like I think one 1:30:43.520 --> 1:30:45.639 big takeaway I kind of look at from a lot 1:30:45.640 --> 1:30:49.599 of this is how much your environment matters. How much 1:30:49.600 --> 1:30:52.280 who you surround yourself with matters. You know what I mean? 1:30:52.360 --> 1:30:54.000 Like every story you kind of tell, like in high 1:30:54.040 --> 1:30:57.320 school or in college, you know, it's thoughts of other people, 1:30:57.320 --> 1:30:59.640 it's being around certain people, it's trying to put on 1:30:59.680 --> 1:31:02.680 a front or be cool for people. Like who you 1:31:02.680 --> 1:31:04.600 surround yourself with and what you surround yourself with. And 1:31:04.640 --> 1:31:06.600 then you're going to rehab, who you surround yourself with. 1:31:06.640 --> 1:31:09.519 Their the mentality you kind of surround yourself with when 1:31:09.560 --> 1:31:12.120 you're working at Sprouts. Then when you come in to 1:31:12.320 --> 1:31:14.200 the Ravens and you're kind of just locked in and 1:31:14.200 --> 1:31:16.320 taking advantage of practice squad, and you're kind of isolating 1:31:16.360 --> 1:31:18.880 yourself and you're focused, you know what I mean, You're 1:31:18.920 --> 1:31:22.360 not surrounding yourself with bullshit. And uh, then you go 1:31:22.400 --> 1:31:25.880 to the Raiders, right, and everything is. Honestly, it's been 1:31:26.439 --> 1:31:29.240 a lot of change in your environment. And I think 1:31:29.240 --> 1:31:30.800 that's a bit a big thing I take away when 1:31:30.840 --> 1:31:32.439 I listen to this, because honestly, you're sitting here and 1:31:32.479 --> 1:31:34.360 you just inspire the fuck out of me with everything 1:31:34.360 --> 1:31:38.559 you overcame. But do you do you have? I mean 1:31:38.600 --> 1:31:40.799 I feel like I just dropped a fucking gym, right heah. 1:31:41.479 --> 1:31:44.120 Do you know do you have like when you sit 1:31:44.160 --> 1:31:46.799 back and reflect, like if somebody's like out there struggling 1:31:46.960 --> 1:31:48.760 or who would take advice from you? Do you have 1:31:48.880 --> 1:31:51.360 like go tos? Maybe I've just stole your go to but. 1:31:52.200 --> 1:31:54.960 You got to you got to dig deep into yourself 1:31:54.960 --> 1:31:57.800 and look at everything, like especially the ugly parts, but 1:31:57.880 --> 1:31:59.639 the good, the good parts and the bad parts too. 1:31:59.720 --> 1:32:02.519 You got to learn how to forgive yourself because you 1:32:02.520 --> 1:32:04.000 get let a lot, you let a lot of guilt 1:32:04.000 --> 1:32:06.400 and shame build up, and it's just like once you 1:32:06.439 --> 1:32:08.519 do that, it's like, you know, it's hard to do 1:32:08.560 --> 1:32:10.400 anything right. But once you get to the bottom of 1:32:10.479 --> 1:32:11.960 all those things, like look all the way back to 1:32:11.960 --> 1:32:14.360 even your childhood, it's just like there's real adults out here. 1:32:14.320 --> 1:32:16.640 It's people holding on to things that happened to them 1:32:16.640 --> 1:32:18.360 when they was five years old, six years old, and 1:32:18.400 --> 1:32:20.880 it's just like they're still weaponizing it and trying to 1:32:21.000 --> 1:32:23.320 like they were hurt, so they trying to hurt more people. 1:32:23.360 --> 1:32:25.560 It's like, get to the bottom of your shit and 1:32:25.600 --> 1:32:27.120 it's going to be uncomfortable, but it's like once you 1:32:27.200 --> 1:32:29.760 kind of lock in, it's like you start seeking uncomfortable things. 1:32:29.760 --> 1:32:31.920 Those are the things that really change you and that 1:32:32.000 --> 1:32:34.320 really continue to test you. Because if you're not being tested, 1:32:34.360 --> 1:32:37.120 you're not being you're not straining, like you're not getting 1:32:37.400 --> 1:32:39.120 like better, Like you're not like they tell you all 1:32:39.120 --> 1:32:40.519 the time in football, like you gotta work hard to 1:32:40.520 --> 1:32:42.479 get better. But I mean, like them cliches are true, 1:32:42.520 --> 1:32:44.120 It's like you really got to test you up and 1:32:44.120 --> 1:32:47.320 put yourself in uncomfortable situations to have uncomfortable conversations with 1:32:47.360 --> 1:32:49.800 people regularly. And then it's like you get to the 1:32:49.840 --> 1:32:52.000 real of life, you see your stuff, and you realize, 1:32:52.160 --> 1:32:53.639 I'm not the only one dealing with this. I don't 1:32:53.680 --> 1:32:56.640 have to be selfish with this and act like you 1:32:56.680 --> 1:32:58.799 don't start hurting people because of it. Like I can 1:32:59.120 --> 1:33:01.160 like take my own thing, in my own experience and 1:33:01.800 --> 1:33:04.120 turn it into like my story. Like people, people are 1:33:04.240 --> 1:33:06.679 more drawn to people that have been through things, no doubt, 1:33:06.840 --> 1:33:09.479 people that had things handed to them. So like when 1:33:09.479 --> 1:33:11.559 you do that, you you never know like who you 1:33:11.640 --> 1:33:13.360 may turn into inspiring. Like it's still hard for me 1:33:13.360 --> 1:33:15.760 to wrap my mind around like I'm inspiring people because 1:33:15.800 --> 1:33:18.920 I was like the opposite of inspiration like a few 1:33:18.960 --> 1:33:21.439 years ago, you know. So it's like once you get 1:33:21.479 --> 1:33:22.960 to the Bob and like work through all that and 1:33:23.000 --> 1:33:26.080 see all people that you've hurt and like like really 1:33:26.600 --> 1:33:28.680 like let that remorse start to stack up, and it's 1:33:28.680 --> 1:33:31.679 like look at yourself and realize, like, okay, like develop 1:33:31.800 --> 1:33:34.680 like a spiritual life, like I mean like really like 1:33:34.880 --> 1:33:37.200 and really let go of like all these selfies things 1:33:37.400 --> 1:33:39.880 you have Like I mean, I don't really got no gems. 1:33:39.880 --> 1:33:40.360 It's just like. 1:33:42.280 --> 1:33:47.040 Smith, like get through everything that, like look at the 1:33:47.200 --> 1:33:49.240 entire picture, don't just because most people will look at 1:33:49.240 --> 1:33:51.160 it and be like ooh, like I'm not going there, 1:33:51.240 --> 1:33:53.479 like I'll talk about everything but this, like you need 1:33:53.520 --> 1:33:54.120 to talk about that. 1:33:54.160 --> 1:33:57.400 But this, that's awesome. 1:33:57.439 --> 1:33:57.639 Man. 1:33:58.800 --> 1:34:02.400 You're a stud bro here, and I appreciate you sharing 1:34:02.400 --> 1:34:04.120 your story on here. I don't know where all you've 1:34:04.120 --> 1:34:06.120 shared your story, if you've or if it's been out 1:34:06.160 --> 1:34:10.280 there like that, but this is really fucking cool, dude. 1:34:10.320 --> 1:34:13.479 I appreciate you, appreciate having you got anything before we go? 1:34:14.120 --> 1:34:16.880 You want to learn anything, any history on the bus, anything. 1:34:18.640 --> 1:34:20.479 Get me a rundown, bro. I've been looking around. 1:34:21.400 --> 1:34:23.040 We see all these stickers, right, we gotta put we 1:34:23.120 --> 1:34:26.679 gotta put more on. But you saw the boys where 1:34:26.720 --> 1:34:29.880 the boys with barstool. Now, like you're in a pretty 1:34:29.880 --> 1:34:31.000 big deal of a bus. 1:34:33.960 --> 1:34:37.120 This wild Yeah, these stickers are real deal. 1:34:37.400 --> 1:34:39.840 What I mean, I think it's crazy that you want 1:34:39.880 --> 1:34:43.040 to come on and talk about all this ship Like 1:34:43.120 --> 1:34:43.800 what you know? 1:34:44.120 --> 1:34:44.679 I got something? 1:34:44.960 --> 1:34:46.320 What do you Darren? 1:34:46.680 --> 1:34:48.880 Do you have anybody in the music industry who like 1:34:49.200 --> 1:34:52.160 inspired you to like start creating music, or is there 1:34:52.160 --> 1:34:52.760 somebody that you like. 1:34:53.920 --> 1:34:55.920 I learned that my great grandfather is a is a 1:34:56.000 --> 1:35:00.120 jazz legend. Really, Fats Waller is a jazz legend. In 1:35:00.200 --> 1:35:03.320 it again, fat swallow jazz legend. I got him tatted. 1:35:03.360 --> 1:35:05.720 I got my skinny jeans on. It's gonna take me 1:35:05.760 --> 1:35:07.559 fifteen minutes to get these jeans off, but I got 1:35:07.600 --> 1:35:10.360 tatted on my leg. My great my great grandfather tatted 1:35:10.360 --> 1:35:11.920 on my leg. But once I kind of learned about 1:35:12.240 --> 1:35:15.120 his history, it was like it opened my mind up 1:35:15.160 --> 1:35:17.200 to more music because I was just listening to too 1:35:17.280 --> 1:35:23.000 straight like ignorant ass rapa. Like when I was a kid, 1:35:23.040 --> 1:35:24.280 I like rock music, but then it was just like 1:35:24.320 --> 1:35:25.600 I was around blacks and they was like, bro, what 1:35:25.680 --> 1:35:27.160 you listening to this rock music for? I was like, all right, 1:35:27.200 --> 1:35:29.200 I got all off my iPod. I listened to a 1:35:29.240 --> 1:35:31.160 whole range of ship. But then it was just like 1:35:31.680 --> 1:35:34.160 once I realized my great grandfather and just how like 1:35:35.240 --> 1:35:37.479 just offset his music was, and it was just like, 1:35:37.720 --> 1:35:39.960 all right, I gotta like really start listening to different 1:35:40.000 --> 1:35:41.479 kinds of music, so open me up to different kinds. 1:35:41.520 --> 1:35:43.240 And it was like, all right, any music talent in me. 1:35:43.280 --> 1:35:45.680 I got to maximize like while I'm here, like we 1:35:45.920 --> 1:35:47.760 got too many days promises, like it'd be a waste 1:35:47.760 --> 1:35:49.080 because maybe my music could touch people. 1:35:49.120 --> 1:35:50.680 So it's like, let's like let's get it. Like it 1:35:50.720 --> 1:35:52.720 makes me feel good too, so like let's let's attack it. 1:35:52.720 --> 1:35:54.200 So it was like once I learned like the history 1:35:54.240 --> 1:35:56.680 of my family, it was like, oh yeah, like we 1:35:56.760 --> 1:35:57.960 finna get Yeah, we gotta go. 1:35:59.160 --> 1:36:01.400 That's fucking cool. Man. I hope you're I hope you're 1:36:01.400 --> 1:36:02.840 proud of yourself because you should be. 1:36:03.880 --> 1:36:06.320 Yeah, I'm just trying not to get like complacent and stuff. 1:36:06.439 --> 1:36:08.760 Yeah, yeah, I know. It's weird when somebody like tooting 1:36:08.800 --> 1:36:10.200 your own horn. You're kind of sitting there. You don't 1:36:10.200 --> 1:36:12.880 know how to like react to it because you're but 1:36:13.000 --> 1:36:15.800 you've came along. I mean that's a hell of a story. 1:36:15.880 --> 1:36:19.640 And I'm fucking I'm stoked for you. Man. Hopefully we're 1:36:19.680 --> 1:36:20.559 teammates again this year. 1:36:20.640 --> 1:36:22.280 Yeah. Oh yeah, I'm on the table for you. 1:36:22.439 --> 1:36:25.759 Oh good. Let them know because the boys are free agents, 1:36:25.800 --> 1:36:28.679 so uh yeah, man, I'll. 1:36:28.479 --> 1:36:29.360 Take right now. 1:36:29.640 --> 1:36:32.040 Yeah, Hey, we getting the boy bag. Nah. They were 1:36:32.040 --> 1:36:36.120 a fan. We had the eggsit meetings were good. You 1:36:36.160 --> 1:36:38.519 never know you know how that shit works too. I 1:36:38.520 --> 1:36:42.080 mean I was on the quote unquote the street for 1:36:42.120 --> 1:36:44.680 a little bit of last year, thirty year old white 1:36:44.680 --> 1:36:46.320 boy and drafted, So you don't know how people are 1:36:46.360 --> 1:36:50.600 gonna fucking portray everything, you know what I mean? Like objectively, 1:36:50.640 --> 1:36:53.400 you're not like, oh, I mean, honestly, everybody's talking about 1:36:53.400 --> 1:36:55.840 Tom Brady where he's gonna go. I think I'm the 1:36:55.880 --> 1:36:59.439 biggest story of the off season, Like Where's where's the 1:36:59.439 --> 1:37:02.960 boy gonna go? Yes, but uh, I hope we are, man, 1:37:03.000 --> 1:37:05.479 But I'm fired up. I'm at a loss of words. 1:37:05.479 --> 1:37:10.360 I'm just like rambling because your story is awesome, it's inspiring. 1:37:10.680 --> 1:37:13.920 I am super grateful you told it all and went 1:37:13.960 --> 1:37:16.120 that deep with us, or went that deep with me today, 1:37:16.560 --> 1:37:18.720 and uh, I think you're gonna this is gonna help 1:37:18.760 --> 1:37:22.759 a lot of people. And I'm just fucking root for you, dude, 1:37:22.960 --> 1:37:25.839 appreciate you. But uh, you got boys, you got anything. 1:37:26.040 --> 1:37:27.720 I just keep saying it because I kind of want 1:37:27.800 --> 1:37:30.320 to like just sit here and talk all damn day 1:37:30.360 --> 1:37:35.040 long to Darren Waller about his adversities and perseverance. But 1:37:35.920 --> 1:37:37.679 we should probably roll out of here because it's what's 1:37:37.680 --> 1:37:38.759 been what an hour and a half. 1:37:38.880 --> 1:37:40.360 Yeah, it's been about an hour and a half. But 1:37:40.479 --> 1:37:41.880 like you said, man, we can go all day. 1:37:41.880 --> 1:37:42.040 Man. 1:37:42.080 --> 1:37:44.360 And I appreciate you just opening up too, man, and 1:37:44.439 --> 1:37:46.439 just I mean, the amount of people that you're probably 1:37:46.439 --> 1:37:49.000 gonna hampact with this story is just absolutely incredible, man, 1:37:49.080 --> 1:37:50.639 So appreciate appreciate. 1:37:51.439 --> 1:37:53.080 Where you staying at in Nashville. 1:37:54.520 --> 1:37:56.440 I'm at the Higatt House. 1:37:56.760 --> 1:37:59.680 The spot that's link I shot you. Yeah, shut out, 1:38:00.200 --> 1:38:05.360 no free shoutouts. What I eat for dinner, I'll tell 1:38:05.400 --> 1:38:08.760 you what. We got some spots. Who's hey, who who's paying? 1:38:08.760 --> 1:38:12.720 Anybody paying? I'm just kidding. What are you feeling? Do 1:38:12.760 --> 1:38:15.559 you have any vibe that you're feeling, because I mean 1:38:15.600 --> 1:38:16.599 I have a whole list. 1:38:16.720 --> 1:38:16.960 Man. 1:38:17.720 --> 1:38:19.879 Uh if it's barbecue. 1:38:19.640 --> 1:38:21.200 I'm the least piggy eater you ever meet. 1:38:21.560 --> 1:38:24.640 Are you a like what what type of genre? What 1:38:24.720 --> 1:38:27.080 type of style of food you like? I'm like twisting 1:38:27.120 --> 1:38:29.040 the ship out of this. I've never like been like 1:38:29.080 --> 1:38:29.679 this on a pod. 1:38:29.760 --> 1:38:29.800 Like. 1:38:29.800 --> 1:38:32.720 I don't know if it's the caffeine I'm feeling inspired. 1:38:32.800 --> 1:38:33.800 I don't know what all it. 1:38:33.840 --> 1:38:36.479 Isn't I don't know what food I don't like bro 1:38:36.640 --> 1:38:37.600 like that ass. 1:38:38.000 --> 1:38:40.040 Well, you got to give me something because I can 1:38:40.040 --> 1:38:42.280 point you in a direction. I'm telling you, Nashville's got 1:38:42.320 --> 1:38:44.679 a lot of food, a lot of bad food, some 1:38:44.720 --> 1:38:47.240 good food out there. If you want something healthy, true 1:38:47.240 --> 1:38:50.000 food kitchen, no free shoutouts, but true food kitchens. 1:38:49.760 --> 1:38:52.599 Or true food I've been here, yeah, oh yeah, I've been. 1:38:52.520 --> 1:38:54.240 To that one when we went to uh when we 1:38:54.360 --> 1:38:56.400 went to play the Falcons, Me and the boys ate it. 1:38:56.400 --> 1:38:58.519 True food kitchen again, no free shout out, True food kitchen. 1:39:00.080 --> 1:39:04.000 Good food there. Obviously, you can eat healthy if you 1:39:04.000 --> 1:39:06.000 want to indulge in some barbecue, or you can eat 1:39:06.040 --> 1:39:07.719 healthy and barbecue, you just don't dip in the sauce, 1:39:08.439 --> 1:39:12.320 and you can get gluten freeze. You're right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 1:39:12.320 --> 1:39:15.120 I forget like it takes it takes a lot of 1:39:15.120 --> 1:39:17.160 work to look this average for me, but I know 1:39:17.280 --> 1:39:23.679 for you, like you can have tomorrow anyway, what's up? Yeah, 1:39:23.720 --> 1:39:26.600 I know right, I love that undertaker Shirre by the way, 1:39:26.920 --> 1:39:29.840 But if you want to indulge, you got Nashville is 1:39:29.840 --> 1:39:32.439 known for hot chicken, so you could go to. 1:39:32.760 --> 1:39:33.800 Hat hot is it? 1:39:33.880 --> 1:39:37.360 Because I'm like my spice tars has increased, but I'm 1:39:37.400 --> 1:39:38.360 still not There's. 1:39:38.200 --> 1:39:40.880 Different levels, there's different levels, and it's it's not that 1:39:41.600 --> 1:39:44.559 overwhelming either. You got Hattie Bees, which is the touristy spot, 1:39:44.640 --> 1:39:47.920 No free shadouts Hatty Bees. You got what is it, 1:39:47.960 --> 1:39:50.400 Princess Chicken. I've heard a lot of ribs about that. 1:39:50.479 --> 1:39:53.479 Never eating there, but people say Princess Chicken. It's kind 1:39:53.520 --> 1:39:55.599 of like, Okay, you go to Hattie Bees, it's touristy. 1:39:55.640 --> 1:39:58.880 But if there's also Princess, no free shoutouts? Again, what 1:39:58.960 --> 1:40:01.080 else we got? You want to go and sit down 1:40:01.160 --> 1:40:02.280 and listen to live music? 1:40:02.760 --> 1:40:03.760 That fire. 1:40:04.960 --> 1:40:06.640 There's some good music around here. Man. We were at 1:40:06.680 --> 1:40:11.160 Acme feeding Seed last night. No free shoutouts at me 1:40:11.200 --> 1:40:11.719 feeding Seed. 1:40:11.800 --> 1:40:13.160 Yeah, they got killer sushi there. 1:40:13.280 --> 1:40:15.040 Killer Yeah. They got sushi on the you'll go up 1:40:15.080 --> 1:40:16.960 to the second floor and you can order sushi on 1:40:16.960 --> 1:40:18.720 that floor. But if you on the first floor, it's 1:40:18.800 --> 1:40:20.840 kind of a walk up register menu. You order like 1:40:20.880 --> 1:40:22.400 you can get a hot chicken there. You can get 1:40:22.560 --> 1:40:24.120 a bunch of different dishes there, and you go and 1:40:24.160 --> 1:40:25.640 sit and the music is on the first floor. They 1:40:25.680 --> 1:40:29.480 usually have a band playing the stillery. Either in downtown 1:40:29.640 --> 1:40:34.120 or Midtown, no free shoutouts. Distillery. Uh, if you want barbecue, 1:40:34.240 --> 1:40:36.759 if you just want to eat barbecue, some solid barbecue 1:40:36.800 --> 1:40:39.920 out here. You got ed Lea's, ed Ley's Barbecue, no 1:40:40.000 --> 1:40:44.800 free shout outs ed Lea's exactly. We can't. We can't. 1:40:44.840 --> 1:40:47.679 Fucking we don't play about these free shoutouts. We shout 1:40:47.680 --> 1:40:50.800 out the boys for free. But these other spots, no 1:40:50.840 --> 1:40:52.640 free shoutouts, even though we haven't gotten anything from them. 1:40:52.680 --> 1:40:57.400 But no free shoutouts. Uh, you got Martin's Barbecue, no 1:40:57.479 --> 1:41:01.960 free shoutouts. That's very good, Barnes, or at least can 1:41:02.000 --> 1:41:03.280 you recite what I've been telling you? 1:41:03.920 --> 1:41:07.840 Yeah, yeah, what has stood out? I'm loving the band. 1:41:07.840 --> 1:41:10.479 It's the ACD. 1:41:10.680 --> 1:41:17.400 No ackemy feed and seat that's on the corner. That's 1:41:17.439 --> 1:41:20.120 on the corner of Broadway Broadway. You can walk them down. 1:41:20.160 --> 1:41:22.160 A lot of live music, but a lot of action. 1:41:22.320 --> 1:41:24.000 I don't know how much you want to surround yourself 1:41:24.040 --> 1:41:26.080 with action. I don't know, Like I'm just I'm just 1:41:26.080 --> 1:41:28.760 trying to be for the boy. But it's live, it's 1:41:28.800 --> 1:41:32.360 lit up. There's bands playing all down Broadway. There's there's 1:41:32.400 --> 1:41:36.040 probably music in Midtown. But again, like a lot of 1:41:36.040 --> 1:41:38.439 people go out there. Broadway is a very touristy street. 1:41:38.880 --> 1:41:40.960 I only go out there rarely just because it's like, 1:41:41.640 --> 1:41:43.240 you know what I mean. I would assume it's like, 1:41:43.400 --> 1:41:45.360 I mean, you're gonna live in around Vegas. I would 1:41:45.360 --> 1:41:47.680 assume it's like being in Vegas and everybody wanted to 1:41:47.680 --> 1:41:49.160 go on the Strip, but all the locals are like, 1:41:49.240 --> 1:41:51.040 I don't really fuck with the strip to go to 1:41:51.080 --> 1:41:55.200 the locals don't necessarily always mess with Broadway because loud, right, 1:41:56.280 --> 1:41:57.880 But you can find a lot of good live music. 1:41:57.960 --> 1:41:59.600 I'll send you some links after this too, because I 1:41:59.600 --> 1:42:02.760 gave a lot of I gave. I didn't give a 1:42:02.800 --> 1:42:04.519 lot of free shout outs, but I gave a lot 1:42:04.520 --> 1:42:09.719 of shoutouts. But those are the spots. Am I missing 1:42:09.720 --> 1:42:11.840 anything missing anybody? 1:42:12.400 --> 1:42:12.559 Those? 1:42:12.560 --> 1:42:14.479 A's some good spots right there, good local spots that 1:42:14.560 --> 1:42:17.280 I I like to go and indulge in. But hey, 1:42:17.320 --> 1:42:20.439 that's all we got. Man, fucking love this podcast. I 1:42:20.479 --> 1:42:24.040 think it's number fucking one solid, But you're the man. 1:42:24.080 --> 1:42:27.599 What's up? Bloss Absolutely number one? Hold one. I thought 1:42:27.640 --> 1:42:28.880 we might have had to do something, but hey, I 1:42:28.880 --> 1:42:30.800 appreciate he I fucking appreciate you. 1:42:30.880 --> 1:42:31.200 Thank you. 1:42:31.479 --> 1:42:34.759 Thank you for opening it up. Man, Darren Waller, fucking 1:42:34.840 --> 1:42:37.160 Pro Bowl this year, I'm calling it. We're gonna sell 1:42:37.200 --> 1:42:38.840 out for you, so you don't got to worry about 1:42:38.840 --> 1:42:41.280 that on Twitter. We got your presence on Twitter, but 1:42:41.320 --> 1:42:43.400 we got you man. Hey, Oh and where are you 1:42:43.479 --> 1:42:45.040 out on Instagram? Where can people follow you? 1:42:45.680 --> 1:42:48.759 It's Rack Wall with two k's r A c kk 1:42:49.040 --> 1:42:49.840 wall w A. 1:42:49.960 --> 1:42:53.640 L L hang on, slow that down r A c kk. 1:42:54.320 --> 1:42:57.439 Rack with two k's and Wall Rack. 1:42:57.320 --> 1:42:59.800 Wall r A c kk w A l L. 1:43:00.080 --> 1:43:02.200 Yeah, I got that from Racking Willey. You've seen Rack 1:43:02.240 --> 1:43:04.240 and Wielly on YouTube. No, I have not look that up. 1:43:04.760 --> 1:43:06.680 But you're gonna have your own YouTube channel. Do you 1:43:06.680 --> 1:43:08.680 know what it's gonna be called? Because here's where you 1:43:08.680 --> 1:43:11.680 plug your ship. Talk about Apple Music and Spotify. What 1:43:11.680 --> 1:43:13.120 do you look up again? If you want to search 1:43:13.120 --> 1:43:16.639 your music, look up D Wall D Space Wall. First 1:43:16.640 --> 1:43:20.120 project was called better Call Wall like Better Call Saul Love. 1:43:20.880 --> 1:43:23.720 Then the second project is Wall Street. Wall Street is 1:43:23.760 --> 1:43:26.639 the newest one. Wall Street got any kind of mood? 1:43:26.720 --> 1:43:27.960 Damn? Is that the ab rap video? 1:43:28.360 --> 1:43:28.559 Yeah? 1:43:29.080 --> 1:43:32.040 Funk I wanted, I wanted. I wanted to ask you 1:43:32.080 --> 1:43:32.360 about it. 1:43:32.360 --> 1:43:34.120 And I want to go yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, before 1:43:34.120 --> 1:43:35.400 we go. What was it like with Ab? 1:43:36.760 --> 1:43:38.880 I mean Ab, I mean AB was me and him 1:43:38.880 --> 1:43:41.240 at locker We were locker mats in the spring, and 1:43:41.560 --> 1:43:44.559 I mean any conversation I had with AB was like 1:43:44.680 --> 1:43:47.760 real you know, yeah, So, I mean I appreciate AB. 1:43:48.400 --> 1:43:50.320 I don't know exactly to the extent of what he's 1:43:50.360 --> 1:43:52.640 going through. Only thing I have to say is I 1:43:52.680 --> 1:43:56.719 just hope he addresses everything, like full spectrum and whatever 1:43:56.960 --> 1:43:59.479 help he needs, whatever wherever he needs to go to, 1:43:59.720 --> 1:44:01.680 you know, really address those things. I hope he does 1:44:01.720 --> 1:44:04.080 that because it's like, you know, looking back on my story, 1:44:04.120 --> 1:44:05.559 who am I to say that people can't get over 1:44:05.600 --> 1:44:07.400 their stuff and then take their life to hold other level? 1:44:07.400 --> 1:44:09.640 Because you see what level his life was on, you know, 1:44:09.680 --> 1:44:11.160 before things started happening. 1:44:11.520 --> 1:44:15.080 Yeah, I mean you saw a legitimate peak rise of 1:44:15.160 --> 1:44:19.400 somebody just to fall and not necessarily rock bottom, but 1:44:19.680 --> 1:44:23.080 a rise and fall all within one year, all within months, honestly. 1:44:23.240 --> 1:44:23.559 Yeah. 1:44:23.600 --> 1:44:25.120 So I'm one of them people that's like people look 1:44:25.160 --> 1:44:27.120 at AB and it's like, damn AB doing this, damn 1:44:27.160 --> 1:44:29.640 AB doing that. Fucking wrong with AB, I'm looking at 1:44:29.680 --> 1:44:32.080 a B like I'm trying to understand, Like I'm not 1:44:32.120 --> 1:44:33.720 from a place of condemning. I try to understand just 1:44:33.720 --> 1:44:35.880 because of I've been through caause I know people like 1:44:36.160 --> 1:44:39.000 this dude's junkie drug at it like just throwing stones. 1:44:39.040 --> 1:44:41.719 But it's like, who was really taking the time to understand, 1:44:41.840 --> 1:44:44.040 Like I'm trying to understand AB. So if I would 1:44:44.080 --> 1:44:46.000 have talked to AB, I'm not coming in with no expectation, 1:44:46.080 --> 1:44:47.400 no kind of judgment, Like I just want to talk 1:44:47.439 --> 1:44:48.720 to a b and like so he can get things 1:44:48.720 --> 1:44:50.400 off his chest, because I feel like it may not 1:44:50.439 --> 1:44:52.479 be a lot around people around AB where he can 1:44:52.520 --> 1:44:54.000 have real deal conversations. 1:44:54.360 --> 1:44:58.160 That's I mean just from a I'm a pure I'm 1:44:58.160 --> 1:45:01.559 the purest outsider there can be. I don't know, but 1:45:01.640 --> 1:45:03.960 you just feel like there's a lot of probably yes 1:45:04.040 --> 1:45:07.360 men around him. I mean you and know more than me. 1:45:07.439 --> 1:45:10.479 But when you're saying that, it's like, hopefully he has 1:45:10.560 --> 1:45:13.880 somebody around and you know, sort of check him or 1:45:13.920 --> 1:45:16.160 like have conversations to try to get to the root 1:45:16.200 --> 1:45:18.800 of like what's going on. But as a pure outsider, 1:45:19.200 --> 1:45:21.439 it is it's like you feel like he's surrounded by 1:45:21.479 --> 1:45:24.439 a lot of yes men. And he needs to do 1:45:24.479 --> 1:45:28.599 something different. Yeah, and that's me talking from no experience. Right, 1:45:28.720 --> 1:45:31.559 you're somebody who can You said you were lockermates with him, 1:45:31.600 --> 1:45:34.240 you were around him. You saw the crew that would 1:45:34.280 --> 1:45:36.800 try being on the Raiders, guy said he would try 1:45:36.800 --> 1:45:38.840 and come in the locker room with like his crew 1:45:38.960 --> 1:45:42.200 or being around workouts, and it's kind of like doing 1:45:42.240 --> 1:45:45.559 too much. But also you're an alien, meaning he's a superstar, 1:45:45.680 --> 1:45:47.240 so you got to kind of let stuff happen. But 1:45:47.280 --> 1:45:48.720 then it's like, hey, I. 1:45:48.640 --> 1:45:51.240 Think if he were to get into a I mean, 1:45:51.400 --> 1:45:52.479 like I said, I don't know what's going on in 1:45:52.800 --> 1:45:54.599 his life, but if he gets into a rehab environment, 1:45:54.760 --> 1:45:56.720 his work ethic really is crazy, like I seen it. 1:45:56.720 --> 1:45:58.919 So if he gets into environment where he's working on himself, 1:45:59.160 --> 1:46:01.200 I feel like his work ethic will come back out again. 1:46:01.360 --> 1:46:03.080 He can really like when he starts working on himself, 1:46:03.320 --> 1:46:05.559 that football work ethic will translate and then that will 1:46:05.560 --> 1:46:07.280 come back on the field. And then like once he 1:46:07.760 --> 1:46:09.800 deals with those things, like he won't even really have 1:46:09.880 --> 1:46:12.679 to go out his way to mend relationships with people 1:46:12.680 --> 1:46:14.400 and do like the apology things that he's doing, Like 1:46:14.439 --> 1:46:16.920 his actions will show for it and just because he's 1:46:16.920 --> 1:46:18.759 like he has a change in him on the inside 1:46:18.800 --> 1:46:21.160 because something has to change. And it's like I feel 1:46:21.200 --> 1:46:22.439 like if he gets if he gets to a point 1:46:22.439 --> 1:46:24.400 where he's like he locks in, he knows he has 1:46:24.439 --> 1:46:26.880 work to do on himself, I felt he could do 1:46:26.920 --> 1:46:27.840 whatever he wants. 1:46:28.240 --> 1:46:31.720 Yeah, that's real the good reminder blast because we had 1:46:31.760 --> 1:46:33.760 alec Engold on here too, and I forgot to ask 1:46:33.840 --> 1:46:36.080 him about AB and he was talking to me about 1:46:36.120 --> 1:46:39.479 him afterwards, but kind of like the same stuff. It's 1:46:39.560 --> 1:46:41.280 kind of like, hey, it's all happening. He's a good dude. 1:46:41.320 --> 1:46:44.000 He's an awesome like yeah dude in person and teammate 1:46:44.000 --> 1:46:46.479 and stuff, and it's just like there's just constant drama 1:46:46.520 --> 1:46:50.040 and addressing and you know, apologizing in front of the team, 1:46:50.200 --> 1:46:52.639 and then it goes to like another action says something 1:46:52.680 --> 1:46:55.080 completely different. Everybody's just kind of like, you know, what 1:46:55.080 --> 1:46:55.920 the fuck is going on? 1:46:56.120 --> 1:46:57.559 Yeah, I see that, And it's just like I can't 1:46:57.600 --> 1:47:00.000 even if I'm talking about AB. I'm a bigges hypocrie 1:47:00.040 --> 1:47:01.400 in the world because I was up like I told 1:47:01.400 --> 1:47:03.720 you about the combine, like just line the people straight up, 1:47:03.720 --> 1:47:05.720 and it's just like, yeah, no, I can't. I can't 1:47:05.760 --> 1:47:07.479 say nothing bad by AB. I just hope A B 1:47:07.680 --> 1:47:09.799 does what he did needs to do for himself, because 1:47:10.320 --> 1:47:11.479 you know, if he does what he needs to do 1:47:11.600 --> 1:47:13.880 to get back into the game of football, the game 1:47:13.920 --> 1:47:15.479 of football is going to end, and like you got 1:47:15.520 --> 1:47:16.080 sixty more. 1:47:16.000 --> 1:47:16.479 Years to live. 1:47:16.520 --> 1:47:17.439 It's like no question. 1:47:17.640 --> 1:47:19.120 Yeah, that's what I feel like helped me with football 1:47:19.120 --> 1:47:22.040 because like I did all that stuff to like really 1:47:22.040 --> 1:47:23.920 focus on me, like I didn't really want to play 1:47:23.920 --> 1:47:24.960 for a while, and then it's like. 1:47:24.920 --> 1:47:25.280 Now I'm here. 1:47:25.320 --> 1:47:27.160 It's like an added bonus to be playing football because 1:47:27.160 --> 1:47:29.960 it's like if you do it for you, like then 1:47:30.240 --> 1:47:32.280 everything else like that's supposed to come to you in 1:47:32.280 --> 1:47:33.240 your life is gonna come to you. 1:47:33.320 --> 1:47:34.639 So man, shout out to ab. 1:47:34.640 --> 1:47:36.720 Bro shout out ab Free shout outs. He's a boy, 1:47:37.960 --> 1:47:40.719 all right, We're good man, drop the hook. Love you guys, 1:47:40.720 --> 1:47:44.519 a subscribe rate review lead fun of reviews, follow us 1:47:44.520 --> 1:47:47.320 busting WTB. We have a YouTube channel buzzing with the Boys. 1:47:47.800 --> 1:47:50.040 Uh yeah, share it screw from the top of Mountain. 1:47:50.040 --> 1:47:51.880 We love you big hugs, Huney kisses the Boys.