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Speaker 1: This episode of Busting with the Boys. The Boys is

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Speaker 1: presented by Barstool Sports. There's no there's no commercializing to

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Speaker 1: this thing. We just talking too the mics be for

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Speaker 1: the boys, tell stories, and we do whatever we want

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Speaker 1: because it's our podcast, you know what I'm saying. It's

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Speaker 1: not like I think I think Russell Wilson has a podcast.

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Speaker 1: It might be through the Seahawks. I know Kirk Cousins

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Speaker 1: does it. I think it's through the Vikings. But like, yeah, bro,

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Speaker 1: we do whatever we want on here. So there's no like,

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Speaker 2: I feel like there are a lot of podcasts that

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Speaker 2: need to make people happy.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of podcasts or what.

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Speaker 3: They need to make people happy, like with advertisements, and

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Speaker 3: they gotta do a whole bunch of shit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just to stay.

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Speaker 1: Right, Well, we'll have to do that, like we've been

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Speaker 1: doing the whole advertising thing, like Barstools sends us like adreads, Hey,

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Speaker 1: these are going to be your ad reads for the week,

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Speaker 1: but we will record them separately because everything we do

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Speaker 1: is backlogged, you know what I mean. So like your episode,

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Speaker 1: we honestly have no idea when that might come out,

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Speaker 1: and the time years rolls around, we won't do ad

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Speaker 1: we'll just find some segment where you'll slowly go off

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Speaker 1: and then you'll hear our ad reads. And we've done adreades.

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Speaker 1: I was in Arizona this last week with Taylor and

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Speaker 1: we both did like different ad reads. Right. I've been

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Speaker 1: in the well going back and forth with bloss and

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Speaker 1: room before games the day before games to do ad reids,

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Speaker 1: just because you know how quiet it has to be

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Speaker 1: for like mics and stuff, and you'll get ad reads

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Speaker 1: and boss but hey, we need to get these by

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Speaker 1: X time. And I'll be like, all right, I'll get them.

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Speaker 1: We'll like travel to our away game and I'll just

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Speaker 1: do like ad reads. You know, I don't know what

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Speaker 1: all the recorders you have for everybody listening, Darren is

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Speaker 1: actually in the you're in the music industry.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't say that I make music because I like

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Speaker 3: to make music. I don't consider myself part of the

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Speaker 3: music industry. My music is on streaming platforms, but I

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Speaker 1: When you say your music is on streaming platforms, what

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Speaker 1: does that mean? Do you make beats? Do you rap?

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Speaker 2: I make beats? I rap?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, But by saying it's on streaming platforms, it's on

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Speaker 3: Apple Music, it's on Spotify, it's on you Are anything

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all of them shout it out. What do we got?

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Speaker 3: We got better call Wall It came out on Christmas

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Speaker 3: Day twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 2: That was my first project.

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Speaker 3: My second project I released on my birthday this past

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Speaker 3: season in September, is called Wall Street. Go get both

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Speaker 3: of those right now. Go get both of those right now.

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Speaker 3: Videos on the way, visuals on the way. You already

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Speaker 3: know time let's go.

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Speaker 1: Hey, but this is what this is like a big

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Speaker 1: reason why we want to bust with the boys. Obviously

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Speaker 1: we're not like, hey, we need to have a platform

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Speaker 1: for everybody to say their stuff, like we want to

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Speaker 1: have our podcast, yeah, but we wanted people to come

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Speaker 1: on whatever they have going on we pub it because

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Speaker 1: we're for the fucking boys, right, you know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 1: cursing whatever we gotta say. Dude, this is a platform

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Speaker 1: that's like exactly like I didn't know you had all

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, like you say about the road trips,

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Speaker 3: like that's when I was most productive. Like the whole

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Speaker 1: And he's not lying either, like we would be. We'd

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Speaker 1: the entire flight I mean, we had some vicious flights.

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Speaker 1: So you guys flew. I mean I came aboard and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys flew a lot different places. Whoop. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: He's making beats. Flying back, he's making beats.

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Speaker 1: So you're heavy into the music game.

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Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I mean I started like in twenty fifteen

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Speaker 3: So I was just like we used to freestyle all

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Speaker 3: And then I just started writing.

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Speaker 3: Wrapping into the Apple EarPods into my Macwook on garage band.

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Speaker 2: You said, I've got ye God Lamar Bridges.

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Speaker 1: Is he a beast? Is he on social media?

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Speaker 3: He's he got a song with like a million a

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Speaker 3: good Vibes only shot the Vive God. I was rapping

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Speaker 3: at his house, using his studio, and then I did

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Speaker 3: this thing's rapping out, Like what is he doing that?

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Speaker 3: Like when they started rapping there was like oh ship,

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Speaker 1: Isn't that weird how it works too? Like you have

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Speaker 1: super nervous. When you finally do something, Oh yeah, for that,

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Speaker 1: like uh, validation from your boys.

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Speaker 3: Right, And plus it was like, you know, I was

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Speaker 3: always shaky, like as far as like college, I was

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Speaker 3: getting suspended all time I got in the league.

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Speaker 2: I had already been suspended once.

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Speaker 3: And then it was like he and I got suspended

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Speaker 3: they come home and start rapping.

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Speaker 1: They start they're thinking like, yo, he's really yeah, they're

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Speaker 1: be looking at me like that. So we're going to

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Speaker 1: get into that stuff later. But dude, that's sick. I

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Speaker 1: didn't know you were like that deep. I actually name

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Speaker 1: dropped you the other day. I was on the phone.

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Speaker 1: I was on the phone with somebody from Barstool and

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Speaker 1: we were talking. We were talking about I think they

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Speaker 1: do projects for like they tie something in the youth,

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Speaker 1: music industry on the athlete platform. So they're talking about

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Speaker 1: I think they're doing something like Rashaun Evans. He loves

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Speaker 1: the rap, so they're pairing him with like a youth

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Speaker 1: make like a music video and kind of collab music

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Speaker 1: or youth charity. I don't know the one they're doing

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Speaker 1: with Rashwan, but I'm like, hey, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: I was like, I know when I was on The Raiders,

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Speaker 1: Darren Waller and Max Crosby are both in the music

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Speaker 1: game heavy and they would be great to like, you know,

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Speaker 1: names music video tie a K.

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Speaker 2: Right, So I did shout you out it's a dope thing.

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Speaker 1: So you might be making another music video.

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Speaker 2: I'm with it.

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Speaker 1: You just said you made how many music videos recently?

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Speaker 2: I've made three music videos in the last three weeks in.

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Speaker 3: Part part of the fourth is all this in Atlanta? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's all like right around Atlanta, like where the Brave Stadium.

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Speaker 3: It's called the Battery, and so I live like right

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Speaker 1: Do you produce and you kind of write what you

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Speaker 2: So one of my best friends who's a producer, shout

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Speaker 1: Oh I love it, dude, the boys, let's go Fowler,

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Speaker 1: shout out Fowler.

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Speaker 3: He makes He knew the video man that I started using,

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Speaker 3: and so he would just have like a vision and

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Speaker 3: then we just kind of combined.

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Speaker 1: I got you. So then you guys kind of come

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Speaker 1: up with scenes or however that works. Yeah, are you

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Speaker 1: stunting on them with a bunch of.

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Speaker 2: We did have the prop money shout out two and

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Speaker 2: fifty K and prop money. For sure. We wanted to

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Speaker 2: in one of the videos.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, awesome dude.

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Speaker 3: But I had the music video a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 3: I was just playing around, like twenty seventeen. It was

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Speaker 3: called Christmas Day. It's on YouTube.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that was back in twenty seventeen. Yeah, it's on YouTube.

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Speaker 1: Christmas Day.

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Speaker 2: It's Christmas theme.

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Speaker 1: Do you have a YouTube channel?

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Speaker 2: I do not. I'm about to though these videos.

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Speaker 1: I gotcha. So you'll just whatever you have, You'll just

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Speaker 1: stream through Apple, Spotify or YouTube but you don't have

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Speaker 1: a certain channel to put it all in yet correct,

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Speaker 1: But that's coming.

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Speaker 2: It's coming. I'm trying to learn.

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Speaker 1: How many guys do you think are in like the

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Speaker 1: music industry, in like sports or the NFL? Do you

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Speaker 1: know have a lot of guys? Do you like collaborate

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Speaker 1: with any of the guys who are out there who

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Speaker 3: Nah, I haven't collaborated, but I mean I feel like

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Speaker 3: I see a new one, like all the time, Like

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Speaker 3: you've seen like Le'Veon Bell been rapping. Yeah, I've seen

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Speaker 1: Yo, would you want a freestyle on the bus? You

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Speaker 1: He's like, all right, for sure, I'll for sure do it.

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Speaker 3: I grew up in Acworth, Georgia. No, one knows where

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Speaker 3: Up, right, it's the same county like my parents moved.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I don't even know where that is, Honestly, I

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm a simple guy. I was cool with it.

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Speaker 3: The hallways smell like nicotine and like chunky soup.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they were right outside the fence, and I would

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Speaker 1: Because you're I don't want to sign stuff.

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Speaker 3: I'm like today not to day like I usually do

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Speaker 2: The back doors. I'll always go up the back door

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Speaker 1: No doubt. And shout out those fans too, because Oakland

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Speaker 1: But every day you're signing something new, Hey Will Will,

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Like those guys, they would always be a certain

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Speaker 2: For me there for us. I'm like, that's fine. I'm

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Speaker 1: Exactly, like I'm not even questioning you, Like, okay, I'm

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Speaker 1: signing up there. Hey this is even for me, man,

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Speaker 1: Like I don't sell any of this uff. You can

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Speaker 1: Cause it's like, hey, this is the eighth thing I've

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Speaker 1: this is for my boss this time. It's like all right, man, listen,

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Speaker 3: Sho's out there on Thanksgiving Day, Christmas like times they

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Speaker 1: There yeah Christmas Eve, Man, you ain't.

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Speaker 2: Got nowhere to go?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, go open presence with your family.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but that's basically how me and you got

437
00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:10,679
Speaker 1: to know each other because oh you're in the extended

438
00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:13,200
Speaker 1: to day and Darren's like on the team, like big

439
00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:15,800
Speaker 1: time on the team, like paid on the team. When

440
00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:16,640
Speaker 1: did you sign last?

441
00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:19,320
Speaker 2: It was after we got back from London. I signed

442
00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:20,400
Speaker 2: a new contract.

443
00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:22,920
Speaker 1: Yo, and congrats on that. As big Time leveled up,

444
00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:25,800
Speaker 1: and I'm like, why are you staying in the extended Stay?

445
00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:26,920
Speaker 1: And we kind of got to know each other a

446
00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:28,960
Speaker 1: little bit because we would land after a long flight

447
00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,240
Speaker 1: at like eleven pm at night. We'd get back late

448
00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:34,119
Speaker 1: and we would uh. I would always just go in

449
00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:36,120
Speaker 1: the tubs, like the hot and cold tub and contrast

450
00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:38,800
Speaker 1: for recovery because me, I like have nothing to do.

451
00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:40,920
Speaker 1: It's just me and the extended Stay. And he was

452
00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:42,879
Speaker 1: just like, let me just utilize the facility since all

453
00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:44,159
Speaker 1: I'm going to do is go home, and you're kind

454
00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:45,720
Speaker 1: of hyped up off the game and stuff, so you're like,

455
00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:48,359
Speaker 1: let me just do this recovery. Darren would be in

456
00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:49,920
Speaker 1: there and we would just vibe and kind of talk,

457
00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:52,000
Speaker 1: and then he would we both walk back to the

458
00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:54,080
Speaker 1: extended Day. I'm like, yo, you stay here and he's like,

459
00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:56,680
Speaker 1: uh yeah, And so I don't really quit. I didn't

460
00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:58,399
Speaker 1: really like question why he was staying there. I'm like,

461
00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:00,560
Speaker 1: aren't you paid? Like, why are you staying in the

462
00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:04,240
Speaker 1: extended stay. I'm like, I know why I'm staying in

463
00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:06,720
Speaker 1: the extend and say I just got here, I'll just

464
00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:10,400
Speaker 1: finishing out the season and it's super expensive out in California.

465
00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:12,960
Speaker 1: But I'm like, why you're why are you paying or

466
00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,359
Speaker 1: why are you staying in the extended Say, then we

467
00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:19,040
Speaker 1: get to what was it Christmas? Yeah, remember our conversation

468
00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:23,840
Speaker 1: if you start, So, we were we got a we

469
00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:27,040
Speaker 1: were at Derek Carrs. Shout out Derek definitely, and we're

470
00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:29,919
Speaker 1: changing the rule shout out Derek Carr free shoutouts for

471
00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:32,679
Speaker 1: the boys, obviously because we're for the boys. Uh. But

472
00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:36,560
Speaker 1: we're at Derek Carr's for Christmas, for Christmas dinner, and

473
00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:39,040
Speaker 1: me and my fiance go over there's there, we get

474
00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:41,919
Speaker 1: a plate, we sit, we sit down, and I forget

475
00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:44,560
Speaker 1: what happened. I think we were having some drinks and

476
00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:49,159
Speaker 1: there's whiskey there, right, and I think I made a

477
00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:52,160
Speaker 1: joke about whiskey, like, hey, are you gonna have some whiskey?

478
00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:52,560
Speaker 2: Yeah?

479
00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:54,840
Speaker 1: Like, oh no, I'm good, And I'm like, why not.

480
00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:58,000
Speaker 1: I think it was something like that, like, yo, don't

481
00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:02,600
Speaker 1: be a pussy, like have some whiskey on Christmas and

482
00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:05,600
Speaker 1: you're like, oh no, I'm good. And somebody I didn't

483
00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:08,439
Speaker 1: somebody say you had been suspended or how did that

484
00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:10,560
Speaker 1: conversation go? I mean, I was shocked. I don't mind

485
00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:12,600
Speaker 1: it be like, yo, I was saying something. I was

486
00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:16,159
Speaker 1: kind of chirping him for not drinking whiskey, and somebody

487
00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:17,719
Speaker 1: said something about being suspended. Right.

488
00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:19,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to say, I don't remember who it

489
00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:21,960
Speaker 3: was exactly, because I know it was. It was quite

490
00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:23,320
Speaker 3: a few guys from the team there, so I remember

491
00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:25,800
Speaker 3: who exactly was sitting next to us, but yeah, it

492
00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:26,560
Speaker 3: got brought.

493
00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,479
Speaker 1: Up and I was like, I said something about why

494
00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:32,239
Speaker 1: don't you just have a drink or something like. It

495
00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:35,880
Speaker 1: was something, and somebody was like, yo, his suspension came

496
00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:38,400
Speaker 1: up from when he got suspended how many times?

497
00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:40,040
Speaker 2: Twice in the league?

498
00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:42,160
Speaker 1: Twice in the league when.

499
00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:44,320
Speaker 3: I got I got suspended two times in college. I

500
00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:49,600
Speaker 3: got suspended two times in the league for what substance abuse?

501
00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:52,159
Speaker 3: So I was like, just like drug tests and this

502
00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:55,040
Speaker 3: is alcohol is everything. But put in Neela my arm.

503
00:19:55,600 --> 00:20:00,320
Speaker 1: Wow, so paint pills, alcohol, weed, you name it. Oh

504
00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:04,000
Speaker 1: my god. But anyway, and we're going to get into

505
00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:05,600
Speaker 1: all this stuff. I'm just kind of giving you the

506
00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:08,720
Speaker 1: briefing on Darren and I kind of like being boys,

507
00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:10,680
Speaker 1: being in the extended say, being in the tubs, and

508
00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:13,160
Speaker 1: then we go to Christmas. I'm I'm comfortable enough around

509
00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,119
Speaker 1: him and be like, yo, I have some whiskey, Like,

510
00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,879
Speaker 1: don't be a pussy dude, Like, let's have some whiskey together.

511
00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:20,840
Speaker 1: And somebody brought up his suspension. You've been suspended and

512
00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:23,520
Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, twice. I'm like for what or maybe

513
00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,480
Speaker 1: we were talking about Taylor being suspended. Maybe anyway, we're

514
00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:29,600
Speaker 1: talking about suspensions and I'm like, for what, and he's

515
00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:31,840
Speaker 1: like substance abuse. I was like, oh shit, I had

516
00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,320
Speaker 1: no idea. That's my bad man. I had no fucking clues.

517
00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,280
Speaker 1: Oh it's fine. You know, that's kind of why you

518
00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:39,760
Speaker 1: were staying in the extended say, or some of a reason, right,

519
00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:42,199
Speaker 1: because you kind of wanted to, you know, not be

520
00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:43,800
Speaker 1: what was your reasoning for it?

521
00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:46,600
Speaker 3: So my reasoning for staying in the extended stay was

522
00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:49,879
Speaker 3: I'd never really been like committed to football like that,

523
00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:51,720
Speaker 3: and I was just like, you know, if I ever

524
00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:53,480
Speaker 3: like put one hundred percent in, I feel like I'd

525
00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:55,239
Speaker 3: be all right. And I was just like, Okay, if

526
00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:57,600
Speaker 3: I stay right next door to the building, I can

527
00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:00,679
Speaker 3: go in earlier, i can stay later, and I'll sacrifice

528
00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:02,840
Speaker 3: like being somewhere where it's a lit spot and things

529
00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:05,840
Speaker 3: are happening, like just for a few months, four months

530
00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:07,760
Speaker 3: at a time for an NFL season, like just lock

531
00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,320
Speaker 3: in completely, and I just want to stay there for

532
00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:12,040
Speaker 3: the convenience of it, and I'll just go back and

533
00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:13,679
Speaker 3: forth and I'll just be locked in and not be

534
00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:15,360
Speaker 3: too worried about anything going on, like I'll go out

535
00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,440
Speaker 3: and eat and everything. But I was just trying to

536
00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:19,879
Speaker 3: be locked in for just one season because I had

537
00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:20,879
Speaker 3: never been locked in before.

538
00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,480
Speaker 1: Did you make that decision because you knew you were

539
00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:24,760
Speaker 1: about to get a new contract?

540
00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:26,880
Speaker 3: No, I didn't think I was gonna get paid during

541
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,520
Speaker 3: the season really because I had I had never started

542
00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:30,200
Speaker 3: a game before.

543
00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:33,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. See, we're all going to get to learn about

544
00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:36,800
Speaker 1: daring together because I have no clue about and you

545
00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:38,959
Speaker 1: at all before that. I just knew when I got there.

546
00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,439
Speaker 1: I'm like, Yo, this dude is a fucking savage, Like

547
00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:43,160
Speaker 1: throw him the ball all the time. That's why I'm

548
00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,280
Speaker 1: sitting on the sideline thinking, and then I'm kind of like, yo,

549
00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:47,159
Speaker 1: we're kind of boys on the side. So you know,

550
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,040
Speaker 1: it's dope that I'm getting to know you, but I

551
00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:52,959
Speaker 1: have no clue about you before that. Right, So you

552
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:54,760
Speaker 1: were with the Ravens before the Raiders.

553
00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:56,840
Speaker 3: I got drafted by the Ravens in what round, the

554
00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:58,959
Speaker 3: sixth sixth round. I was a wide receiver coming at

555
00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:00,520
Speaker 3: Georgia Tech wide.

556
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,880
Speaker 1: Receiver coming out of Georgia Tech. Okay, so you're when

557
00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,399
Speaker 1: you're when you're coming into the league. Were you like

558
00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:08,520
Speaker 1: all in on wanting to be a football player at

559
00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:10,320
Speaker 1: that moment when you first came in the league.

560
00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:12,840
Speaker 3: Nah, if I I told people with all the time,

561
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,119
Speaker 3: if I wanted to stop playing football, probably would have stopped,

562
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 3: like in high school or after high school, because it

563
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,439
Speaker 3: just became like a like a people pleasing tool for me.

564
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:22,159
Speaker 1: You just knew you were kind of good at it.

565
00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:23,960
Speaker 1: People wanted you to do it, so you're like, I'm

566
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:25,920
Speaker 1: going to do this for other people. Right when did

567
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,320
Speaker 1: you start abusing substances or do you want to call.

568
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:33,159
Speaker 3: It like abusing? Probably like at the end of high school. Okay,

569
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:34,919
Speaker 3: so probably like seventeen eighteen.

570
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:36,119
Speaker 1: What started you on it?

571
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,200
Speaker 3: Just with some friends, they went through their parents' medicon cabinet,

572
00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:43,560
Speaker 3: pulled out like some hydro codon, like five milligram pills

573
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:47,359
Speaker 3: really like my sophomore year high school, and they like,

574
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:48,680
Speaker 3: you want to tell you one? I was like, sure,

575
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:50,800
Speaker 3: why not? I ain't got shit going on for me.

576
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 3: So I just took one and it was like, bam, what.

577
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 1: Do you What do you mean by when you didn't

578
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:55,320
Speaker 1: have shit going on for you?

579
00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:57,440
Speaker 2: So like by the time I was fisting.

580
00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:00,240
Speaker 1: We're gonna die, We're diving in. Oh yeah, I love this. Yeah,

581
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:03,880
Speaker 1: but people are gonna listen because people are very excited

582
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 1: about your story when you were on hard knocks and

583
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,200
Speaker 1: you honestly you don't have like a couple of minutes

584
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 1: to talk about it. And I watched this video of

585
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 1: the TMZ posted. We talked about it for a couple

586
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 1: of minutes. But people are very fascinated and there's a

587
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 1: lot of help and an outlet. I feel like you've

588
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:18,760
Speaker 1: given to people. So I can't wait to like dive

589
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 1: into everything. So I'm gonna ask every question.

590
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

591
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 3: So, so when I was younger, I was just like real,

592
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 3: like like different. I guess I don't know. I was

593
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,879
Speaker 3: like really sensitive, but so like I just felt alienated.

594
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:32,920
Speaker 3: I hung out with white kids. They were in my neighborhood.

595
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 3: They were the ones playing outside, so I was like,

596
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:35,919
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna go fuck with them, and they were

597
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:40,119
Speaker 3: just playing the white kids. I'm not I'm not saying

598
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,399
Speaker 3: nothing outside of out there playing every sport that I like.

599
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:43,880
Speaker 2: So I'm finna go rock with them. Yeah.

600
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,720
Speaker 3: And then it's like kids, all the h like all

601
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 3: the all the black kids like my age would all

602
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:50,719
Speaker 3: just like clown on me, just rag on me for that.

603
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 2: And I was just like I was real sensuous, So

604
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:53,400
Speaker 2: I was just like damn, like.

605
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 1: They would clown on you for hanging out with white kids.

606
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 1: Yeah okay, And it was like damn, like I can't

607
00:23:58,760 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 1: catch your break.

608
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 3: And then it was just like when I go into classes,

609
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 3: I was always in like gifted advanced classes. It wasn't

610
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 3: no other black people in there. So I'm just like damn,

611
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 3: like I'm just just you're super smart. Yeah, And it's

612
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 3: just like I don't feel connected to anyone around me.

613
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:12,479
Speaker 3: But it's just like, oh, I'm in the South, like

614
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 3: I'm in Georgia, like people love football, so I know

615
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 3: I'm good at football, so I'm gonna go like put

616
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 3: all my eggs into this football basket. And it's like

617
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 3: I'm going through. I was really good, like from when

618
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 3: I started to like through middle school. Then people got big.

619
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,480
Speaker 3: I was super small, Like I will show you a

620
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 3: picture of me from my JV football year, like I

621
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 3: was in like fifth grade, but I was super small

622
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 3: and football just wasn't going. Like my freshman in high school,

623
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 3: I rode the bench the whole year on freshman team,

624
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:38,920
Speaker 3: like I played in like garbage time.

625
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,679
Speaker 1: But you love football at this point, I get because no,

626
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:44,920
Speaker 1: I'm saying, at this point, when you were a freshman,

627
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 1: you're like I want to play football because I'll rock

628
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 1: with football right now.

629
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:49,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, this is still like me like blacking football.

630
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:51,959
Speaker 3: And then it's like I get into my second season

631
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,399
Speaker 3: is like JV, and it's like I'm still super small,

632
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,639
Speaker 3: but I finally like earn a spot and I was

633
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 3: playing safety and I played a couple of games and

634
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:01,639
Speaker 3: got hurt, like I had to have surgery on my elbow,

635
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 3: and I was like always in the cast and people

636
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,159
Speaker 3: were just like ragging on me for always being in

637
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 3: the cast.

638
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 2: Like you can't can't help the white kids. Yeah, well

639
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,120
Speaker 2: you ain't built. You ain't built for this ship.

640
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:11,880
Speaker 3: Like my I had a coach that you should try

641
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,400
Speaker 3: a non contact sport, Like really, this ain't it.

642
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 2: I don't know when a coach. I ain't gonna I

643
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:17,679
Speaker 2: ain't gonna name.

644
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and shout who's laughing now, dude.

645
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,120
Speaker 3: But but then I get to like that's like around

646
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:26,920
Speaker 3: fifteen year old. I'm just like, damn, Like I thought

647
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 3: football was going to be the way for me and

648
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 3: she ain't working, so like fuck it. And then like

649
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 3: I'm just hanging out like and then I'm these kids

650
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 3: pull bills out, I'm just like fuck it, like let's

651
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 3: try something new, Like let's just let's see where this is.

652
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:42,120
Speaker 1: Where. So when you say kids pulled pills out, you're

653
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Speaker 1: just you're just hanging at the house and you know

654
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Speaker 1: everything's happened up to this point, and you're just like, so,

655
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Speaker 1: you know, try this because they say it's fun, like

656
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Speaker 1: it's cool, but you feel good.

657
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Speaker 3: It makes it makes us feel really good, like and

658
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Speaker 3: I'm just like I'm with feeling good because I don't

659
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Speaker 3: really feel good right now with everything else is going on,

660
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Speaker 3: so let's try this, damn.

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Speaker 1: And that's how you got started.

662
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's how I got started. It started like real slow.

663
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Speaker 3: It'd be like once every now, and then it started

664
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Speaker 3: going like every weekend, and then it was like every

665
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Speaker 3: couple of days. And then it's like started smoking weed too,

666
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Speaker 3: start drinking.

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Speaker 1: So what age is this when you started all this?

668
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Speaker 3: Fifteen when I uh started doing pills and then like

669
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Speaker 3: weave like sixteen, like my junior.

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Speaker 1: Years, when did you start getting good at football?

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Speaker 3: I grew from the end of my sophomore year to

672
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Speaker 3: right before my junior year started, from five eight, five

673
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Speaker 3: nine to six two.

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Speaker 1: You were five eight when you were a sophomore lanky two.

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Speaker 2: Were Yeah, I'm gonnahow youall a picture.

676
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Speaker 1: We'll have it posted like when you text it to me.

677
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Speaker 1: When when we're talking about it, like on the YouTube

678
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Speaker 1: channel bloss will have your picture shown.

679
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it'll be go y'all gonna die laughing. But so, yeah,

680
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Speaker 3: I grew and I was still I was taller, and

681
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 3: so it was automatically like okay, like you can play now,

682
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,199
Speaker 3: like I just looked the part, I guess, and I

683
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 3: started getting in the weight room. Like once I stopped.

684
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 3: I hear from my injury. I was like once this

685
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686
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Speaker 3: like I'm super weak, and he was like, we got you.

687
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 3: And then it was like start going up from there.

688
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 3: And I played my junior year. I was super weak,

689
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:06,959
Speaker 3: but then I had like one hundred and twenty two

690
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692
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Speaker 2: play offense.

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Speaker 3: I got to college really okay, and so I played

694
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Speaker 3: safety my junior year and then things start going well.

695
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Speaker 3: I was playing basketball too, and so yeah, things were

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Speaker 1: Darren Waller What's Not?

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Speaker 3: And I started playing basketball. I kicked off the basketball team.

734
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 3: I got arrested by junior year. Why these kids on

735
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 3: my football team were throwing rocks and I was just

736
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 3: like the getaway driver, like throwing through people's houses and

737
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 3: busting out people's car windows with rocks.

738
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're doing it.

739
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: You're just a getaway driver.

740
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Speaker 3: Yeah, just being I'm I'm like, yeah, don't you just

741
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 3: think I'm cool? So I'm gonna just drive for Himah.

742
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 3: Ends up like somebody was like walking their dog or

743
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 3: something and got my license plate and I was the

744
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 3: only one. I went down for it, and so it

745
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 3: was like I got killed the basketball team for that.

746
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 3: But then it was but football was like on the up.

747
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: Did you go to camps and stuff in between junior

748
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: and senior year or you just played?

749
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 2: Okay?

750
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 3: I went to Western Kentucky. I let my first offer

751
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 3: and then I was just like okay, I'm finna go here.

752
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 3: Like I didn't even think I was gonna be playing football,

753
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 3: like because I was riding the bench. So I was

754
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 3: just like, I'm just gonna come here. They offer me

755
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 3: a scholarship, like I'm going there, yeah, And then I

756
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 3: had a few other offers. It was like Air Force

757
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 3: Marshall Western Kentucky, Kentucky, and then Troy University in Alabama

758
00:29:59,040 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 3: and Georgia Tech.

759
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: When did you get your Georgia Tech offer?

760
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 2: Right before my senior year? Like the summer camp.

761
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 3: I went to the camp and they saw me like

762
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 3: actually move around and I was like playing defense, so

763
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 3: I was like covering people and I was like I

764
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 3: played I was out a corner and I was like

765
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 3: press covering people. Yeah, And they were like, oh, like

766
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 3: they probably do back then they're going to flip me

767
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 3: to wide receiver.

768
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 2: But they're like, oh, he's an athlete, so we can

769
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 2: just bring him in. We thought we could do something

770
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Speaker 2: with him.

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Speaker 1: Were you fired up?

772
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 2: Yeah?

773
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 3: I mean kind of. It was just like Okay, like

774
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 3: this is what's going to have people like approved of me.

775
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 3: Was going to have people like being like, oh, like

776
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 3: he doing something right now, like he really like putting

777
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 3: in work, and it was like that kind of thing like.

778
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 1: So in your mind, like what are you preparing for?

779
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:38,959
Speaker 1: I know you're it's like the validation of people and

780
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 1: that's what they're wanting you to do. But what's like, uh,

781
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: I guess what are you thinking? Like this is what

782
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 1: my future wants to look like? This is what I

783
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 1: want my future to look like? Or did you even

784
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 1: have a.

785
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 2: Vision about now? I had no vision back then. None.

786
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 3: It was just like, oh, this is what people celebrate

787
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 3: football players and like football players getting successful, everybody wants

788
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 3: to be like them. So it's like if I could

789
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 3: do this, people want to be like me, and then

790
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 3: I'll be happy. It was just like that kind of

791
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 3: formula which makes no sense.

792
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Speaker 1: If you don't mind me asking like what was your family?

793
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 1: What was your family life like? Did you have a

794
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 1: lot of support to like play ball or yeah?

795
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 3: It was like I had a great home environment, my parents,

796
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 3: I had an older sister. They never pressured me to

797
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 3: play any sports. My parents were never the parents that

798
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 3: were like you're going to get home runs in every

799
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 3: game or you're going to escort me touch on. They

800
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 3: were just like have fun, like you could do whatever

801
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 3: you want.

802
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 1: My parents they're together, they're together. You had an older sister, yep, dang,

803
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 1: So you're just you're just kind of having internal battles

804
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: with yourself, right.

805
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 2: There was no like nothing externally. It was all internally. Ye.

806
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 1: You feel like you're like really introverted.

807
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was. I was very much. So I still

808
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 3: am a little bit now. But I'm coming out of

809
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 3: my show a little bit.

810
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: But because you're back, because you're the main.

811
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 3: But back then, yeah, I was just like super shy,

812
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 3: like I wasn't trying to talk like yeah, yeah, I

813
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 3: wasn't with none of that.

814
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: And then you go to Georgia Tech. Talk about your

815
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: experience at Georgia Tech or when stuff like okay, you're

816
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: you're would you say you're abusing drugs and stuff at

817
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: this point going into Georgia Tech.

818
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 3: It is up there. And then as soon as I

819
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 3: got there and just saw like you, no, oh I

820
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 3: could drink every day. Oh I could get high every day?

821
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: Like did you have teammates that were doing that with you?

822
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 2: Yeah?

823
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 1: And you just there was there was there a lot

824
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 1: more access to it. I assume absolutely. Yeah, that stuff

825
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 1: is wild, man. I mean you talk about like in

826
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: the nineties, and I'm sure stuff still goes on, but

827
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: people talking about drug abuse before games and a lot

828
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: of stuff like that. I was like a good kid.

829
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: The most I did was drink. I drank like in

830
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: high school, like the back half of my high school.

831
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: Sorry my dad, But they kind of knew sure to

832
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: do and they tried to keeping it tight on me,

833
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like they were hard on me,

834
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: and I love them for it, but I was just

835
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: I was just a dude that like drank alcohol. I

836
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: was scared of like smoking. I was scared of doing

837
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: everything except like drinking alcohol. When like, okay, so you're

838
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: you're you're a freshman. When when did it get When

839
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: do you feel like, looking back, it started to get

840
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: way too far like you were just you were like

841
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:03,959
Speaker 1: too far gone this It was way too far soon,

842
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: like on campus really just because of the access.

843
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then it was just like for me, it

844
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 3: was like I wasn't very highly recruited, so I was

845
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 3: like I think I was the lowest rated recruit in

846
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 3: the Georgia Tech class coming in.

847
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: So you just didn't feel it was kind of like

848
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 1: a sense of value or worthy, Like I kind of

849
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: like everybody else is above me.

850
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 3: It was like I got here and I was like, Okay,

851
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 3: I'm here, but it's like I'm all right now, I'm

852
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:25,959
Speaker 3: just gonna get my education. I don't know if I'm

853
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 3: gonna play. It's just like and then I'm like fuck it,

854
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 3: like I'm just gonna like.

855
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: Nervous around like the older players and shit too. Probably

856
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 1: you first get there.

857
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 3: And it was just like my my abuse, like my drinking,

858
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 3: my using like made me cool around them. That's what

859
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 3: got me to hang around them. Like me and myself,

860
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 3: like I don't give a fuck, I'll do that. Yeah,

861
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 3: there are people on my team that was like, damn,

862
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 3: I thought you was lame. So I realized you was

863
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 3: doing this this and that.

864
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: Really yeah, just because you're quiet to yourself, right, but

865
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: then when you people want to party or fuck with you,

866
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, Waller gets down like that.

867
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like I coul drink people under the table

868
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 3: like that. It's a genetic and it's just like I

869
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 3: can out pop out do whatever, and it's like when

870
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 3: people are like, oh, that's cool, it was like I

871
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 3: started a feed off that.

872
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: Holy ship, dude, now are you doing this stuff before games?

873
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 3: Not the day of but like night before. But yeah,

874
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 3: I mean there were sometimes I did today.

875
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, have you have you seen shout out? I think

876
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 1: shout out Master, Gosh, I'm gonna butchers lest saying treff

877
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 1: tre Trefiston. Or have you seen on social media untold

878
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: stories by bleacher or by our competitor. Uh, anyway, there's

879
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: an until there's untold stories that he'll have like retired

880
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 1: guys on Santana Moss came on, I got to play

881
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: with Santana my uh, his back end of his career

882
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: when I was on the Redskins, And I'm listening to

883
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 1: one of these untold stories and he's like, yeah, I

884
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 1: mean we call it the whiskey game or drinking game

885
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,320
Speaker 1: or something. Campus you know what I'm talking about. Campus

886
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 1: is a big Redskins fan, and they would they would

887
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 1: pull shots before games, like and mix it with like

888
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: a pill if they were injured or or something. You

889
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: know what I mean, to like go out and play

890
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: a game. And he back, Yeah, it got to where

891
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 1: I would take a couple of shots before every game

892
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 1: because it would.

893
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 3: Help me relax. Yeah, were you ever were you ever

894
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 3: like that? Toward the back end of my career. I

895
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 3: would smoke in like pop Hills before. But like my

896
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 3: freshman sophomore year, I wouldn't like the day of but

897
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 3: like towards the end, like when I was playing, I

898
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 3: was like, oh, like I'm out here, like I can

899
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 3: make plays out here.

900
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 2: It was like, I'm you realize you're a beast.

901
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 3: I was like, all right, I'm gonna be lit like

902
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:25,240
Speaker 3: at everything, like practice, like I'll just do whatever at practice.

903
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's that's insane, dude. When when did you

904
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:29,879
Speaker 1: realize you were, like, you know, I got a shout

905
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: to go to the league.

906
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 3: Not till after my junior year. After we played we

907
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:34,439
Speaker 3: played in the bowl game. We played in the Music

908
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:34,879
Speaker 3: City Bowl.

909
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:36,280
Speaker 1: Here trash go ahead.

910
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 3: But but I just remember, like towards the end of

911
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 3: that year and like the end of my senior too,

912
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 3: It's just like we played whenever we played big game opponents,

913
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 3: like I would always get the ball and I always

914
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,919
Speaker 3: do something with But if we play like lower level

915
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 3: schools and we could just run the option all day,

916
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 3: like I would just be out there yawn and like

917
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 3: trying to black people Georgiatown's. So it was like we

918
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 3: played like uga. Like in my junior year, and I

919
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 3: had a big game, and then we played Old miss

920
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 3: and they were like loaded my junior we played them

921
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 3: here and I had like a long touchdown like some

922
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 3: players in that game, and it was just like after

923
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 3: that game, people were telling me like, oh, like you

924
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 3: could go to the league, like, but up.

925
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 2: Until then, I was just like I never thought of

926
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:14,320
Speaker 2: it because you're.

927
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 1: Just having fun playing football.

928
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,919
Speaker 2: I wasn't really having fun, really, I just I just knew.

929
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:20,839
Speaker 3: I was just like, right, I'm doing this thing like

930
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 3: I'm just kind of just like floating through life in

931
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 3: a sense. It's like I'm just like I don't think

932
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 3: I never thought I was going to the least. I

933
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:27,760
Speaker 3: never had any confidence in myself.

934
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 1: You're just yeah, you can't even say having fun. You

935
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: weren't even having fun.

936
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 2: It would be flashes of fun.

937
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 3: I would like make a play and be like yeah,

938
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 3: like I know what I'm doing, like I'm out here,

939
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:37,399
Speaker 3: but then just be right back to.

940
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: That man and everybody's patting you on the back and

941
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: it kind of fires you up, you know what I mean.

942
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 3: It last for like a couple of minutes, but then

943
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 3: it just to be like I'm so ingrained and like

944
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 3: self doubt it's just like even the next play, Like

945
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 3: I could make like a crazy catch in the next

946
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 3: one and be like, man, don't drop it, don't drop it,

947
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 3: don't drop it.

948
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: Did you ever kind of manifest those thoughts? Yeah, I

949
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 1: mean you have negative felt you know, you know the

950
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 1: sayings out there, what you think, you become law of attraction,

951
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,280
Speaker 1: all this positivity, all this self talk, like you pretty

952
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 1: much manifest you know what you do. Like i'd be

953
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 1: out there. It's hard for me to fully remember all

954
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 1: of my days in Nebraska because sometimes like people are,

955
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: oh you you was this and that in Nebraska, and

956
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 1: there's games like I just can't fully remember because I

957
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 1: remember being out there and you don't want to. You

958
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,479
Speaker 1: played it, not mess up, and you just be out there.

959
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: And I got I would get destroyed my first year

960
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 1: or two cause I played like as a freshman. It's

961
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: not a flex like I played as a freshman. I

962
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: just wasn't there. I wasn't that good. I wasn't well. No,

963
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,240
Speaker 1: I would mess up, like I would get bench and stuff.

964
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 1: I think I started eight games, I think my freshman year,

965
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 1: but I got benched, you know what I mean. And

966
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: I'd go back and I'm like I'm on rivals dot

967
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: Com and watch my old high school tape and I'm

968
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 1: like thinking, yo, am I am I that good? Or

969
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 1: am I am I shitty? And I just don't remember

970
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 1: not being good in high school and like I'm doubting

971
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:47,879
Speaker 1: myself and I'm out there playing to not mess up

972
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: and like, don't missus tackle. You miss a tackle, Polini's

973
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:54,879
Speaker 1: fucking raping you verbally, and you're just a young kid, like,

974
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 1: you know, doubting yourself all the time. But I had

975
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 1: fun playing. That's not me trying to love and be

976
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: like I didn't love football like I I wanted football

977
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,919
Speaker 1: so bad. Like I was, I had fun and tried

978
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 1: to enjoy it, and I was very like you know,

979
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 1: I'm gonna use the word term brainwash to like want

980
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,320
Speaker 1: to be great and want to do the right things

981
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,839
Speaker 1: and not go out all the time like I did

982
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 1: every now and then, but like try to be a

983
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 1: leader and be a captain and do all those things.

984
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: I wish I had more fun in college from a

985
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 1: sense like not take it so seriously because you just

986
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 1: kind of like stress yourself out over it, but you

987
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 1: didn't have fun.

988
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 3: I'm looking back, it was just like I think I

989
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 3: got high too much where it's like if you just

990
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:34,839
Speaker 3: like look at like a graph.

991
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: When you say you got high too much, as in

992
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,879
Speaker 1: high is like having fun or high like.

993
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 3: Like high high like getting high off drugs. Yeah, yeah,

994
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 3: so I think I'm getting I'm getting high too much

995
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 3: all the time. So like you just like normal like

996
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 3: things that make you happy is like, oh, like going

997
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 3: out on a day, like going to the movie, like

998
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 3: doing normal things. But me, it's like my fun is

999
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 3: getting as high as I possibly can. And so it's

1000
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 3: like football will get up to here, so but it's

1001
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 3: not fun because this is my new fun bar now

1002
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 3: and it's like.

1003
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:07,359
Speaker 1: Things aren't Would it be substances in women? Yeah yeah,

1004
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 1: hand that's crazy, dude. And then you're you're playing and

1005
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: there everybody's like, yo, you're gonna be You're gonna play

1006
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Then your your senior year comes. What's

1007
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: your senior like? Is it any different from what you've

1008
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 1: experienced up to that point.

1009
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 2: My senior year.

1010
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 3: I mean it's just like the suspensions carrier where I'm

1011
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:22,359
Speaker 3: out like the first game my junior year, I'm out

1012
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 3: the first to first two games my senior year.

1013
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: I remember test basa for weeds three drugs.

1014
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then it's like I remember vividly.

1015
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 3: I don't think no one ever knew this except maybe

1016
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 3: like one of my teammates. I wasn't playing, but we

1017
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,919
Speaker 3: played Wafford the first game of the year my senior year,

1018
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 3: and I was just like, I don't feel like going

1019
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 3: to the game. I'm about to get as fucked up

1020
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 3: as possible and then go to the game and stay

1021
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 3: on the sideline. So I was drinking like at least

1022
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 3: like a whole handle of liquor at like seven in

1023
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 3: the morning, and holy, I mean my thing was mixing.

1024
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 3: I think was mixing. I think was mixing like pills

1025
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,879
Speaker 3: and like mixing everything and just seeing like what kind

1026
00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 3: of adventure I would just go on because I would

1027
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 3: just be like there would be like.

1028
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 2: No soul in my body out but I like that

1029
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 2: it was sick.

1030
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 1: And then making your boys laugh too, like on the

1031
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:09,280
Speaker 1: sideline like let.

1032
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 3: Me yeah, mem it was like I had like the

1033
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 3: you know, like the power like gatorade bottles that the

1034
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 3: water was in.

1035
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:17,320
Speaker 2: I would twist the cap off and.

1036
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 3: Be like you want to like let them sniff it,

1037
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 3: and it's like complete blocker, like filled all way up

1038
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,320
Speaker 3: to the top, and I'm just like going through bottles

1039
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 3: of that.

1040
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: Yo, how coaches are somebody not understand that, like because

1041
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: you can smell when people have been out for a

1042
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:29,399
Speaker 1: night and you're fucking fucked up.

1043
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 2: I mean either they didn't say anything or I don't

1044
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 2: know what was going on.

1045
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 3: But but yeah, that game, and I'm just out there

1046
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 3: the whole Like I'm started at seven.

1047
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 2: In the morning.

1048
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 3: It's like I'm going, I'm going, I'm going. So I

1049
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 3: had to be there before the game. I had to

1050
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 3: be in the locker room like two hours before. I'm

1051
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 3: drinking in the locker room, like I already popped like

1052
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 3: what I wanted and so like, so it's setting in

1053
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 3: by a kickoff like I was playing things. I was

1054
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 3: like all right by kickoff, like I'm about to be

1055
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 3: like literally on the sideline's like don't remember the game,

1056
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 3: just like just acting the fool, not paying attention to

1057
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,359
Speaker 3: the game, like not respecting anything, like you think like

1058
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 3: you're just ended, You're just gonna be out there. It's like, man,

1059
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 3: like I wish I could be out there me. I'm

1060
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 3: like I don't give a fuck, Like I don't have

1061
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 3: to get hurt. I just get fucked up, like it's

1062
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 3: time for me to do what I want to do.

1063
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 1: Oh my god, dude, Yeah, that is crazy as shit, Blost,

1064
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 1: What are you thinking sitting back there? Man?

1065
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 4: That's crazy? And like I could, I could speak on

1066
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 4: it from like a from like a military standpoint, right,

1067
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,720
Speaker 4: Like I mean, you know, the pain medications and stuff

1068
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,320
Speaker 4: like that, and then like even going out before deployment

1069
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 4: like in Afghanistan, I mean.

1070
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: There was loss was a sniper, but there was there was.

1071
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 4: Like some guys that would you know, just get fucked

1072
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 4: up before going out on mission and stuff like that.

1073
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 4: And it was wild, dude, But that's kind of how

1074
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 4: you cope with it, and you just get outside of

1075
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 4: your head and it's go and perform.

1076
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: Bro. Holy shit. So hell, I don't even know what

1077
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:50,399
Speaker 1: kind of question asked. You're going through your senior year,

1078
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: you're going you're getting ready for the league? Where's your

1079
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: mental at?

1080
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 2: Knowing?

1081
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 1: Like, yo, I got a chance to were you Were

1082
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 1: you a combine guy?

1083
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 2: I did go to the combine?

1084
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,760
Speaker 1: You did go? Yeah, So like, what's your fucking mental

1085
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: like going through the combine?

1086
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 2: And it was four days of lying my ass off

1087
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,919
Speaker 2: to front office people telling them that I wasn't gonna

1088
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 2: use drugs or wasn't gonna.

1089
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: Use anymore because you're getting questioned a lot now.

1090
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're like this is this you like, is this

1091
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 3: just a phase? I'm just like no, this is just

1092
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 3: like me, Like you know how guys get in college,

1093
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 3: Like I was just like I could like wear a

1094
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 3: mask and just like make you think something that wasn't

1095
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 3: the truth at all, Like I could sell you a dream,

1096
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 3: like I got you.

1097
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 1: But you test for the combine? How did you pass?

1098
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 2: Yeah? I stopped. I stopped enough time to pass the

1099
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 2: combine drug tests?

1100
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 1: Was that hard to be abstinent from street drugs? Because

1101
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: it's like a I mean, I guess what is it now,

1102
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: February we're doing this pot right now. It's like February

1103
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 1: twenty ninth, so the combine's kind of just starting. That's

1104
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 1: like two three months absence, right or Yeah.

1105
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 3: But it was like I have to pass this test

1106
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:44,919
Speaker 3: in order for me to keep like this life going,

1107
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 3: like for me to keep this facade going, Like I

1108
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:48,399
Speaker 3: have to pass this one test and I can get

1109
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,399
Speaker 3: back to what I was doing. Like then they'll be like, Okay,

1110
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 3: he passed a drug test and they'll be like, Okay,

1111
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 3: we can just evaluate his playing and it's like, meanwhile,

1112
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 3: I'm going back to exactly what I was.

1113
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 2: Like, I got you right where I wanted you, Like,

1114
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 2: I'm going back to what I wanted.

1115
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,360
Speaker 1: When you did your drug test for the combine it

1116
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: did you go straight back to street drugs right after

1117
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 1: you pissed or did you have to test again? Like

1118
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 1: to where you're like, how long did you stay abstinent?

1119
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 3: It was just from the end of my senior year

1120
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 3: and doing through combine training. Like I smoked a little bit,

1121
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 3: like a couple of times during combine training, but I

1122
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 3: gave myself time to get clean further combine and then

1123
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 3: like the day I got home from the combine, it

1124
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 3: was right back, Oh.

1125
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:23,720
Speaker 2: My god, dude.

1126
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:27,839
Speaker 1: Then you get drafted Baltimore Ravens. Are you fired up?

1127
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: Were you fired up that you got drafted?

1128
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 2: Though?

1129
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 1: Why not?

1130
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 3: I was just I was just miserable, bro. I was

1131
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 3: just like, you didn't want to play football. I'm just

1132
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 3: doing this thing because I have to. And it's just

1133
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 3: like I would look, it's all about the approval thing.

1134
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 3: It's just like and.

1135
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 1: Your parents are excited for you.

1136
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're through the roof, and they had like my

1137
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 3: parents invited people over and I'm just like I was

1138
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 3: up in my room just just like just drinking in

1139
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 3: my room and like getting high in my room and

1140
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 3: just like playing like FIFA.

1141
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 1: I think it was did your parents know like you

1142
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 1: had this issue?

1143
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 2: They knew what they knew? I was like getting fucked

1144
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 2: up with.

1145
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 1: They ain't, but they think they're like, oh, he's just

1146
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 1: being a college kid, Like he's just getting he's just

1147
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 1: drinking a little bit. I mean that's a super question

1148
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,479
Speaker 1: because you got suspended, not not like taking a jab.

1149
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 1: I'm just saying like they're probably like, hey, do you

1150
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 1: need it? And You're like no, I'm fine, like like

1151
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: I just got messed up, like I just they.

1152
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 3: Would just see me Sunday, Like I would come home

1153
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 3: because like I lived like half hour from school, and

1154
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 3: I would just like PLoP down the couch and not

1155
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,399
Speaker 3: move for like the entire day, and I'll just be.

1156
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: Like, were you like hoping you would be drafted somewhere

1157
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 1: closer to home.

1158
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 2: Like I didn't. I just felt like being drafted was

1159
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 2: a burden because I had to keep.

1160
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 1: So you didn't want to play at all.

1161
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:32,359
Speaker 2: Nah. Bro.

1162
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 3: It was like it was like I have to like

1163
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 3: keep this life going because I don't want to look

1164
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 3: like that one dude that had a chance to get drafted,

1165
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 3: which was like I don't want to do this anymore

1166
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 3: and receive backlash from it because I was too afraid

1167
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 3: what people thought.

1168
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 2: Bro, I was too afraid of what people thought.

1169
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 1: That is nuts.

1170
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 4: What are you say in like the interview process, because you.

1171
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: Know, like most says a question.

1172
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, most podcasts and most coaches and stuff like they

1173
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 4: you know, interview players right before they draft them. Like

1174
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 4: how was that process for you? Like did you just

1175
00:44:58,840 --> 00:44:59,359
Speaker 4: lie to them?

1176
00:44:59,440 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1177
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 3: It was just straight up lives for four days, bro,

1178
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 3: Like four days in a row. And it was like

1179
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 3: I got so good at lying because I was hiding

1180
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,240
Speaker 3: from the school. I was hiding from you know, people

1181
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 3: I was hanging around. I was lying to chicks out dating.

1182
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 3: So I was just like a very good liar at

1183
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 3: that point. So I just have to combine and just

1184
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 3: like selling folks dreams like oh man, like we have

1185
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 3: to selling potential and you like, do you want to

1186
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 3: be great?

1187
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 2: Do you love it?

1188
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 3: I was like I love this game, Like I would

1189
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 3: never let anything get in the way. It's just a

1190
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 3: complete live.

1191
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 2: Bro like an absolute lie man.

1192
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: Okay, holy shit, you go to the Ravens and again

1193
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 1: on Hard Knocks you you're you're watching your story.

1194
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:36,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, my shit kicked in on Scout team.

1195
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and I see he's like, come on, man,

1196
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: like make a play, like ye are you good? He's like,

1197
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: are you good? And now now knowing what I know

1198
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 1: about you, and I'm like, I wonder what the fuck

1199
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 1: is going through his mind? Like, so what are you

1200
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: doing now peeing on the Ravens like OTA's training camp,

1201
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 1: Like do you have do you have many friends on

1202
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 1: the team.

1203
00:45:57,840 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 2: I had no relationship with anyone in Baltimore.

1204
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 1: Really.

1205
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 3: I had a relationship with one teammate who I'm not

1206
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 3: going to name, just because we got high together all

1207
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 3: the time.

1208
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, but no names for the boys.

1209
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 3: Yeah for sure. But yeah, I had no relationship, no

1210
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 3: relationship outside the building. Like in the building, gods, you're

1211
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 3: like always cool, Like it's like you could have a

1212
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 3: conversation with me, like we're in the tub, like we

1213
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 3: in meetings, like I'll joke, wish you like I'll get

1214
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 3: but once we leave the building, I'm gone, And it's

1215
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 3: like because people knew I was in the drug program too,

1216
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 3: and I was when I come out of college because

1217
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 3: my college history.

1218
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:26,320
Speaker 2: So you get high around on these people.

1219
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,439
Speaker 1: So just because you were suspended a couple of times

1220
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 1: in college, you immediately go in the drug program going

1221
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: into the NFL.

1222
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 2: But they gave me an opportunity.

1223
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 3: Like the NFL drug program is really leney at the

1224
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 3: end of the day, Like I could break it down

1225
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:37,439
Speaker 3: for y'all.

1226
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 1: Break yeah, break it down.

1227
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 2: People.

1228
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:40,240
Speaker 1: People want to know how this drug program.

1229
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 3: So it takes a hell of drug test fails to

1230
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 3: get to a suspended game, like one suspended game like

1231
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 3: your first Like if you're not in the drug program,

1232
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 3: say you fail test.

1233
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 2: That's one test.

1234
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 1: Say I come in and I'm completely clean, I just

1235
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: start smoking. I test positive my first time.

1236
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 2: What happened? Yeah, you you get put into the drug program.

1237
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 3: And then after that it is you you fail another test,

1238
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:04,439
Speaker 3: that's a game fine, Like you're not missing the game,

1239
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 3: it's just they're just you're getting fined your game check.

1240
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 3: After that it's two game fine, and then after that

1241
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 3: it's a four game fine. And then you come back

1242
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 3: and then after that whereas it like the fourth or

1243
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 3: fifth test you failed, then you get to a one

1244
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 3: game suspension, So you really have to like start failing

1245
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:20,280
Speaker 3: a lot to get to these games.

1246
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 1: And it's like, so somebody who's who gets suspended for

1247
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: one game has already failed the drug test probably four times. Yeah,

1248
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 1: but it sucks losing that that money.

1249
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 2: Then it's like you get to one game spension two games,

1250
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 2: Like I would.

1251
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 1: Say that's lenient, but also at the same time, like

1252
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: once you fail, once you get put in the drug program,

1253
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: you get pretty much tested all the time, Like you

1254
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 1: can't you can't really smile.

1255
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 3: I've been getting drug tested two to three times a

1256
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 3: week for the last five years.

1257
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 1: That's what happens when you're in the drug program.

1258
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:45,359
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1259
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 3: I was like I was trying to get here three today,

1260
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:48,840
Speaker 3: but it was like drug man pulled up, like and

1261
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 3: you have to wait for them to get there, like

1262
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 3: you can't.

1263
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, Darren before Darren, okay, big money over here. He

1264
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 1: drives all the way from Atlanta to Nashville. I like,

1265
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: why are you driving three and a half hours. Yeah,

1266
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 1: He's like, oh, it won't be a breeze. I'm like, man,

1267
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 1: this dude just he's just cool. I don't know, like

1268
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 1: he's like, all right, I guess I'll drive all the

1269
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 1: way here to do a podcast. And then he's like, hey,

1270
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 1: I might be a thirty minutes late. Drug guy just

1271
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 1: hit me up and he's got to come through to

1272
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: do a drug test, so I'll be like thirty minutes late.

1273
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:14,760
Speaker 2: All right, that's fine.

1274
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 1: But so two to three times a week once you

1275
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:20,240
Speaker 1: that's right when you get in the drug program right away, yeah, okay,

1276
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 1: and then but if you fail after that, they're taking

1277
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:23,839
Speaker 1: money out of your pocket. Even though you don't miss

1278
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:25,959
Speaker 1: a game exactly, but when you see you guys missing games,

1279
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 1: and then you're like, oh, he's failed. He's failed at

1280
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: least four times.

1281
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1282
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 3: So it was like before I was failing games, it

1283
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 3: was like I remember my second season, I missed it.

1284
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 3: I got to like a four game suspension and that

1285
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 3: was even lenient because I was just failing out ass

1286
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 3: at that point.

1287
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 1: And this is your this is sorry, I just I

1288
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 1: blanked out for a minute. That was your rookie year.

1289
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 2: My rookie year.

1290
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 3: So I was in the drug program and it was

1291
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 3: just like I they gave they actually gave me a window.

1292
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 3: It was like if you can make it too, like

1293
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 3: through the preseason and not like fail any tests. Like well,

1294
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 3: we're thinking about getting out of the drug program because

1295
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 3: they sent me to New York and they did this

1296
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 3: evaluation on me and I finessed the whole evaluation. How

1297
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 3: to getting them it was like a like a you

1298
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 3: answer all these questions about yourself, and it's just like

1299
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 3: I know that they're gonna want me to pick this,

1300
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 3: but I'm gonna pick this other one so they know

1301
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:16,359
Speaker 3: they think that I'm a stable individual pretty much.

1302
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:17,439
Speaker 2: And then it's like.

1303
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 1: Those are them gifted programs in high school. He's like

1304
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 1: ahead of the game.

1305
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 3: And then it's like I so I did that and

1306
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 3: they're like, your evaluation came back. So it's like okay,

1307
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:25,839
Speaker 3: so drugs aren't really a problem for you. So it's

1308
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 3: like if you could just get through the preseason, we'll

1309
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 3: think about getting you out of the drug program. I

1310
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 3: couldn't get through the preseason, Like I was like, I

1311
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 3: can't do it.

1312
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 1: Why Why is this the stress? Is this the stress

1313
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:36,240
Speaker 1: of being in training camp?

1314
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:38,879
Speaker 2: And it ain't even have anyone. Bro, I'm I'm a fiend.

1315
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 3: Bro Like I'm like I'm a dead ass, Like I'm

1316
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 3: a professional athlete.

1317
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:43,320
Speaker 2: But I'm a junkie, dead ass.

1318
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: That is fucking crazy, Dude. I'm sitting here because I'm

1319
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,320
Speaker 1: trying to ask questions based on all of my stress levels,

1320
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 1: like coming through football, the league and everything, and You're like, nah,

1321
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:52,919
Speaker 1: I wasn't even that, Like.

1322
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 2: I'm just stress. It was stressful, don't get me wrong.

1323
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 3: And I was just like, I have to impress all

1324
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 3: these people, just like, man, fuck this, I'm go get

1325
00:49:58,680 --> 00:49:59,839
Speaker 3: high and all this.

1326
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 1: Fuck.

1327
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 3: I'm the you know, the analogy, first person in, last

1328
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 3: one to leave. I'm last one in, first one to

1329
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 3: leave Baltimore.

1330
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it just says, I mean, you are

1331
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 1: where you are now, So there's there's a reason you

1332
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 1: want to tell the story because I mean, you're you know,

1333
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 1: you've been helping people at the end of the day,

1334
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 1: because you're a testament. How long have you been sober now?

1335
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 1: Two and a half years. That's fucking let's go.

1336
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 2: Let's go appreciate. Let's fucking go appreciate it.

1337
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 1: So you're in Baltimore. How long? How many years a

1338
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 1: were you in Baltimore?

1339
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 2: I was there. I got drafted in twenty fifteen and

1340
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 2: I was there until.

1341
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 1: Okay, draft in twenty fifteen. When was your four game suspension?

1342
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:38,280
Speaker 2: What year twenty sixteen?

1343
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: So you're felling you're failing hell a drug test. Up

1344
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 1: to this point, I'm willing to say I failed one

1345
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 1: hundred drug tests at least since you've been in league

1346
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 1: of that year, since I've been in the league since

1347
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,760
Speaker 1: Over that, there was at you never know what's coming.

1348
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 2: On with his mother, because there was a stretch from

1349
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 2: he's like in one month.

1350
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 3: Fuck, there was a there was a stretch where I

1351
00:50:58,080 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 3: knew I was getting rug tested two three times a week,

1352
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 3: but I'll still getting high on the same rate. And

1353
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 3: so I thought of that I could drink like multiple

1354
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 3: detox and drinks in a week and like drink up

1355
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:09,399
Speaker 3: saying amounts of water.

1356
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 1: You're sitting in the steam room, masuna tail, sitting in.

1357
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 3: The sauna, like I think that clip from training camp

1358
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 3: was me. I was sitting in the sauna during Ravens

1359
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 3: Ravens training camp. I was trying to be a drug

1360
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 3: test that day and I sat in the sauna for

1361
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:26,280
Speaker 3: like an hour and fifteen minutes before practice. The sauna

1362
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 3: the dry sun, and I was like drinking water and

1363
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 3: I went out there to practice and it's just like

1364
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 3: you know, I can't beat the heat, bro, Like I'm

1365
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 3: getting my dick kicked in and it's like the heat

1366
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 3: is just too and it's like I have been sitting

1367
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 3: in the sauna and it's just like yo, like what

1368
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 3: are you?

1369
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 2: So I think it's I think that was one of

1370
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:42,720
Speaker 2: those days.

1371
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 3: I could just look at myself and that thing and

1372
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 3: it's just like I look like I'm not even there,

1373
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 3: like like I mean, it could be a different day

1374
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 3: where I was just like hih as fuck out there,

1375
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 3: but I'm thinking like it was one of those days

1376
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 3: where I was out there in training camp and it's

1377
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 3: just like because I ended up like having to go

1378
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 3: inside because like the heat got me. And it's just

1379
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 3: like you know, they walking up the field like Darren

1380
00:51:57,760 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 3: Walla goes inside.

1381
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:00,439
Speaker 1: I hear it. I hear the Ravens too, Like it's

1382
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 1: it's like.

1383
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 2: It's oh, yeah, it's roughest. That's roughest in the league.

1384
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:06,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I heard. It's like brut I'm talking like long practice,

1385
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 1: like long special teams practices, like fucking.

1386
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:10,799
Speaker 3: Forty five minutes of special teams, full speed, like full

1387
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 3: field one on ones on kicking game like kick off,

1388
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 3: he go off.

1389
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 1: Returning like blocking hardball's a savage Yeah, it's.

1390
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:18,399
Speaker 3: Really Jerry Rosberg shouted, Jerry Rosberg probably the greatest special

1391
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 3: teams coach of all time.

1392
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 2: But yeah he was savage in practice, saming harball.

1393
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, because uh Camp and Arrow was on the tights

1394
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 1: with me, So me and me and Mike Camp. Yes, sir,

1395
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: I mean Mike, can't we talk about all the raven stuff?

1396
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 1: But I heard his brutal out there.

1397
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very rough practice, very rough on your body?

1398
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:37,959
Speaker 1: Are you still wearing that bullshit column from high school?

1399
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 1: You were in polar Blue, You weren't curve you walking

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00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:42,200
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1403
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Speaker 1: do you get that? So twenty sixteens of four games suspension,

1430
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 1: then you get a ten game suspension.

1431
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 2: Well, no new ten game. We just hop right to

1432
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 2: ban for at least a year after that?

1433
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 1: What year is at seven?

1434
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,319
Speaker 3: That was seventeen Because it was like, so I like

1435
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 3: that thing we're talking about, like I'm trying to be

1436
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:39,840
Speaker 3: all these tests like with the with doing all that stuff.

1437
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:41,839
Speaker 3: I'm i would pass like one out of the week

1438
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 3: and even that be a miracle, but it would be

1439
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:45,360
Speaker 3: like I'm still failing like multiple.

1440
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 1: They So where's your mental dispoint? Because when I was

1441
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:50,320
Speaker 1: watching Hard Knocks, You're like there was a point to

1442
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:52,799
Speaker 1: where I was like, I knew everybody wanted me to play,

1443
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 1: but if I could just drug, if I could just

1444
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 1: fail myself out of the league, then I wouldn't have

1445
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 1: a reason to tell anybody why I didn't want to

1446
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 1: play fooball anymore.

1447
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:01,879
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1448
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 3: I was just like, you know, I feel just like

1449
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 3: I came to this realization and it was just like

1450
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 3: I don't, if anything, I need to leave the league

1451
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 3: like and be away from this to like even try

1452
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 3: to get better. And it was like I feel like,

1453
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 3: you know, people have this fascination with the drug culture,

1454
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 3: and it's just like if you burn out on drugs,

1455
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 3: like some people even were just legends after burning out

1456
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 3: on drugs, and it's just like, if I just burned

1457
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 3: on drugs instead of just straight up instead of quitting,

1458
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:24,280
Speaker 3: it look like a quitter.

1459
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 2: It's just like maybe people will look at me different.

1460
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 1: Wow, that's fucking deep.

1461
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 3: So I have my At the end of my second season,

1462
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 3: I tore my labor with like a month ago in

1463
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 3: the season. I played the rest of the season and

1464
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:35,840
Speaker 3: then they're like, oh, you tore your labor and you

1465
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 3: gotta have surgery. It's like they gave me the bottle

1466
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 3: appeals and it's like, you know, thirty person there. I

1467
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 3: run through that shit in like two three days, and

1468
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 3: I'm right out in the streets like I'm in a

1469
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 3: hoo hood, like yeah, Baltimore in Baltimore, fine, really there

1470
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 3: was even there was even a there was even a

1471
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 3: dude like were you.

1472
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 1: Out there just rioting with Baltimore too?

1473
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 2: Nah? I feel like the riots go on.

1474
00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:58,760
Speaker 1: Like you just see Darren. What the fuck is Darren

1475
00:55:58,800 --> 00:55:59,359
Speaker 1: doing out there?

1476
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 2: But it's home.

1477
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:02,360
Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, I'm in crazy parts where it's just

1478
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:04,359
Speaker 3: like you ribe you ride the street for like ten minutes,

1479
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 3: it's boarded.

1480
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 2: It's boarded.

1481
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 3: There's no house with no windows, bro like for ten

1482
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 3: minutes driving like I'm down there like yo where they at?

1483
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 1: Yo? That.

1484
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 3: So it's like I'm purposely I'm purposely failing tests at

1485
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 3: that point, like after my second serion.

1486
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 1: Just you don't give a fuck anymore, like just put

1487
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 1: me out of my put me out of my misery.

1488
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 3: But yeah, but then it's like it's crazy, like I

1489
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:26,800
Speaker 3: knew like I would have to do OTAs in mini

1490
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 3: camp before I'll get suspended. Like I was like, they're

1491
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 3: gonna suspend me in June, like I know how the

1492
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 3: ship's gonna go. And then it's like my shoulder heels

1493
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:36,759
Speaker 3: and I go out there for OTAs. I'm just like, man,

1494
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 3: this is about to be the last time I ever

1495
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:41,840
Speaker 3: played organized football, and like I'm just about to go

1496
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:43,839
Speaker 3: out on a good note and be like fuck this ship.

1497
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:45,800
Speaker 3: And I was just out there and I was killing

1498
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:48,799
Speaker 3: them like yeah in practice, and OTA is just like

1499
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 3: what year is this right now? This is twenty seventeen

1500
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 3: seven spring, and it's just like I'm killing them. It's

1501
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 3: like we got a new uh tight end coach. He's

1502
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 3: the offensive coordinator for the ravens Now and it's like

1503
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 3: he's like, hey, man, like you about to go crazy

1504
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 3: this year, like we're about to like you about to

1505
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 3: be the guy like da da da da da, And

1506
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 3: it's just like damn, like I'm actually having fun playing

1507
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:09,919
Speaker 3: the first time I really had fun, like overall playing

1508
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 3: football since middle school, like going into the freshman year

1509
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 3: and it was like damn it, it is fun, but it's

1510
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 3: like damn, but it's it's over.

1511
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 2: Like it's a rap.

1512
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 3: Like they finished suspend me like soon as you already knew,

1513
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 3: like right, and it's like there's no going back now,

1514
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 3: like so you.

1515
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 1: Balled and you're having fun in ots seventeen. Then they

1516
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 1: suspensed like the year long suspension on you.

1517
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I told the coach right far. I was like, coach,

1518
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 3: like I ain't even gonna go home, like I'm at

1519
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 3: least be honest here. It's like they about to drop

1520
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 3: the hammer on me, Like I did it on purpose,

1521
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 3: like I wanted to be done.

1522
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 2: I didn't know I would have fun.

1523
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 1: But you you kept it real with him like that.

1524
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1525
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 3: I was like, I was like, coach, I'm about to

1526
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 3: get the suspension, Like they're about to hand it out.

1527
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 3: I don't know where it's gonna be, but they handed

1528
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 3: something out, like and the day after it was like damn,

1529
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 3: like a year long and it was just like man like.

1530
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 3: But when it like I knew I wanted, but then

1531
00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 3: when it hit, it was like it wasn't my anticipated

1532
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 3: like damn, Like I was still like just even more anxious,

1533
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 3: like worried about what people thought. And it was like

1534
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 3: for two months even after that, I was still getting

1535
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 3: fucked up.

1536
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so you're suspended all of seventeen.

1537
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:15,440
Speaker 3: Ye, then what happens, So like those first two months

1538
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:17,919
Speaker 3: of the suspension, I'm still getting sucked up, right, even

1539
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 3: more so than before. Yeah, and then it's like like

1540
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 3: I basically like have like an overdose in my car,

1541
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 3: Like in Baltimore, like a quarter mile.

1542
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 2: From the facility, in a grocery store.

1543
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 3: Parking lot, you had an overdose. Yeah, Like I didn't

1544
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 3: want to. I didn't think much into it, but the

1545
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 3: it was like once people kind of described like overdoses

1546
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 3: and it was like I got there. It was only

1547
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:38,919
Speaker 3: like a minute away from my apartment. I could have drove,

1548
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 3: but like I didn't feel like I could move, and

1549
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 3: then it was like daytime. I went to sleep, woke

1550
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:45,479
Speaker 3: up it was nighttime. And then in the parking lot,

1551
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 3: and then it was like damn, like I didn't tell

1552
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 3: anyone about it, and I felt like super weird. I

1553
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:52,480
Speaker 3: was like cold and like just feeling completely out of it.

1554
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 3: And then there's like time after that. I was just

1555
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 3: like damn, like I I odeed in that parking lot.

1556
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 3: It was just like there's no one. You didn't get

1557
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 3: help at that moment. You just learned about it after

1558
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:05,600
Speaker 3: the fact, and you're like, I fuck you put pieces together.

1559
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 3: It's like damn, like I didn't. I didn't just take

1560
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 3: ana in that parking lot. I didn't take that by choice.

1561
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 3: But then so it's like after that was like the

1562
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 3: kicking point, like I could have died. Yeah, after that,

1563
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 3: that was enough at that point, and then it's like

1564
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 3: I go home.

1565
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 1: What do you mean that was enough? You're saying that

1566
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 1: was that was your moment where you're like, yeah, for me,

1567
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 1: I'm a true junkie, Like I'm fucked.

1568
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm willing to try anything at this point, like

1569
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:30,920
Speaker 3: what I'm doing, like I'm not I'm not in control.

1570
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 3: Like I always thought like I could like control my

1571
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:35,960
Speaker 3: situation and get high and then like everything would work out.

1572
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 3: But it was like, not like this, it ain't working out,

1573
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:40,920
Speaker 3: Like this is like this is a sign to no, bro,

1574
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 3: Like this.

1575
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 1: Is once you learned about the OD that's when you're like,

1576
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 1: this is the sign. No.

1577
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 3: I mean just even after the experience, I didn't even

1578
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 3: learn yet. It was like that happened and I was

1579
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 3: just like, bro, this is scary, Like I'm not doing

1580
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 3: this no more. Like I didn't tell nobody about it,

1581
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 3: but I knew it was how me. I was like

1582
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 3: something guy changed. And I went home and it was

1583
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 3: like I went to you went home in Atlanta and

1584
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:58,440
Speaker 3: the league was still getting my toxicology.

1585
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 1: What time frame was this one was my in the car?

1586
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 2: That was August eleven, twenty seventeen.

1587
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 1: Oh shit, you know the day August eleven fifty. Then

1588
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 1: you go home win the next day.

1589
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, Because I was moving out of my apartment in Baltimore,

1590
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 3: it was like I was, yeah, you can't even go.

1591
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 3: And so it's like the league is still getting my

1592
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 3: tossed collegee results and they're like, we're scared for your life.

1593
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 3: You need to go to I went to this place

1594
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:25,200
Speaker 3: in Atlanta, like a rehab facility, and I met with

1595
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 3: addiction specialist like when the counselor's there and he's like, yeah,

1596
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 3: and you'd like a profile on me. And I was

1597
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:33,360
Speaker 3: like completely honest with him about like you know, being

1598
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:35,479
Speaker 3: like socially anxious and just like being like.

1599
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 2: You're being liketed. Yeah, you're just all up.

1600
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:42,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, And he's like, you need to go to rehab asap, bro,

1601
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 3: like and I'm just like rehab, Like I'm not like that,

1602
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 3: like I could.

1603
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:47,960
Speaker 2: I still I'm a professional athlete.

1604
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 3: I'm like, you know, providing all these images of to

1605
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:52,800
Speaker 3: where it's like to make it seem like I'm not

1606
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:53,480
Speaker 3: but I really am.

1607
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 2: But then he's like you need to go like da

1608
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:55,919
Speaker 2: da da da.

1609
01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:57,960
Speaker 3: And I told my parents what they said, and my

1610
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:00,080
Speaker 3: parents kept real with me about my family history and

1611
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:01,440
Speaker 3: it's like addiction all over my family.

1612
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 2: And then it's just like, yo.

1613
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 1: Like when when when your parents found out did they

1614
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:08,440
Speaker 1: have an idea you were like that or they were

1615
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 1: so caught off guard and then they.

1616
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 2: Just so your suspension hit.

1617
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 3: They was just like, bro, you are like well, they

1618
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 3: didn't really have much to say that they're just like yo,

1619
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:19,760
Speaker 3: like what is going on? And it's just like then

1620
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:21,480
Speaker 3: what But then like after I went to like I

1621
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:23,840
Speaker 3: agreed to go to that place and they told me,

1622
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 3: like I need to go to rehab and I was

1623
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:27,280
Speaker 3: like then they were like kind of saw like I

1624
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 3: guess like there was like one small step in the

1625
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:31,680
Speaker 3: right direction. And then they told they were telling me

1626
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 3: about my family history and just how like it's all

1627
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:36,040
Speaker 3: over my family history and it's just like it clicked

1628
01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 3: for me then too, So it was like the experience

1629
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:39,960
Speaker 3: of what happened in my car and then then tell

1630
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:43,560
Speaker 3: me about my family. It was just like wow, like

1631
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 3: like it's like I gotta change, like something like something

1632
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:48,320
Speaker 3: got to give, Like I can't keep doing what my

1633
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 3: family's doing and it's like killing my family off, and

1634
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:52,800
Speaker 3: so like I gotta go do this. And I went

1635
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:54,880
Speaker 3: to rehabit and it was like it was fire. Rehab

1636
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 3: was fire, Like yes in what way? It was just

1637
01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:03,440
Speaker 3: like I never put time into like working on myself

1638
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:05,640
Speaker 3: or like you know, thinking for myself like what did

1639
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 3: I want, Like what did I want to do? Like

1640
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:08,840
Speaker 3: how am I feeling? Like addressing those feelings which is

1641
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 3: always like suppressing them and so it was just a

1642
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:13,840
Speaker 3: great experience and just like open up and not have

1643
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:16,160
Speaker 3: any pressure of trying to impress people. Like I was

1644
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:18,680
Speaker 3: there and it was just like, you know, I enjoyed.

1645
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:21,280
Speaker 3: Like I started, I watched all I watched every Ravens

1646
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 3: game every Sunday in rehab, like just put my laptop out,

1647
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:27,480
Speaker 3: watch the game. How long were you in rehab, like

1648
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:28,400
Speaker 3: thirty five days?

1649
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:31,160
Speaker 1: And just like you're talking about the therapists there and

1650
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:34,240
Speaker 1: everybody you're kind of talking to, You're like diving so

1651
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:36,440
Speaker 1: deep into the root of like who you are. You're like,

1652
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 1: that's what that's what, that's what makes it, that's what

1653
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:40,480
Speaker 1: made it fire. That's what made it such a positive experience.

1654
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:43,560
Speaker 2: Yes, it was just like complete game changer, complete game changer.

1655
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:45,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's incredible.

1656
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:47,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I came home and it was like, I'm a.

1657
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:50,720
Speaker 1: That's crazy, right, Oh, that's so dope.

1658
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:53,160
Speaker 3: I'm coming home, Like I come home from rehab and

1659
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 3: it's like like, sorry, I started going to like A

1660
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:56,840
Speaker 3: and NA meetings in rehab.

1661
01:02:56,960 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 1: Now, hang on. You went to rehab towards the end

1662
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:01,480
Speaker 1: of August through the end of like you know, to

1663
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:03,880
Speaker 1: October or something. Yep, Okay, so you went right in.

1664
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then yeah, I could start going to meetings

1665
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:09,920
Speaker 3: while I'm there, and so when I come out, it's

1666
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:12,000
Speaker 3: like kind of put a plan together. It's like the

1667
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 3: same place I went to meet with the addiction guys,

1668
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:16,560
Speaker 3: Like I'm going to small group therapy once a week there,

1669
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:19,640
Speaker 3: and it's like I'm going to two to three NA

1670
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:22,080
Speaker 3: meetings every week when I get out. So it's like,

1671
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 3: all right, like I'm kind of rocking with how it's

1672
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:26,160
Speaker 3: making me feel like, it's forcing me to be uncomfortable,

1673
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:27,760
Speaker 3: it's forcing me to talk about things that I don't

1674
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 3: want to talk about. But once I get those things

1675
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:31,240
Speaker 3: out there, it's like I feel different, I feel like,

1676
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 3: you know. And so I kept with that when I

1677
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 3: got home, and then my parents nobody went to church with.

1678
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:41,360
Speaker 3: Who was a store manager at Sprouts Farmer's Market grocery store. Yeah,

1679
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:43,200
Speaker 3: I got a job there at grocery clerk.

1680
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:45,640
Speaker 1: During the season of twenty eighteen.

1681
01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:46,439
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1682
01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:49,080
Speaker 3: I started working there like Thanksgiving time in twenty seventeen.

1683
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:52,720
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah, my fault because you're suspended.

1684
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:54,480
Speaker 3: That whole year that's trough twenty seventeen. I worked through

1685
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:56,680
Speaker 3: there till like the end of April. So I worked

1686
01:03:56,720 --> 01:03:58,360
Speaker 3: there for like six seven months almost.

1687
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:00,200
Speaker 1: Man.

1688
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:03,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I dropped the bar on it in in my project.

1689
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 3: I was like, I was only making eleven fifty by

1690
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:09,000
Speaker 3: the hour. You could check the wage fee. Yeah, I

1691
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:12,680
Speaker 3: was making eleven fifty of working at Sprouts.

1692
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:14,439
Speaker 1: And You're going to all these meetings every week.

1693
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:16,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm going to meetings like when I get out

1694
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:18,640
Speaker 3: or like before I go in, because like I started,

1695
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:20,680
Speaker 3: like my first day working there, they had me working

1696
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:22,840
Speaker 3: like I got there like at night and had to

1697
01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:24,680
Speaker 3: work through the morning, and I was just like, I

1698
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:26,960
Speaker 3: can't do this, Like just let me come in the

1699
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:29,560
Speaker 3: afternoon and close the shop at night and I'll be straight.

1700
01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:31,720
Speaker 3: And they're like all right, So I'll go to meetings

1701
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:33,640
Speaker 3: like before that or like the days I wasn't working,

1702
01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:36,240
Speaker 3: I would go to meetings in the evening. And so

1703
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:37,800
Speaker 3: I was just doing that working at Sprouts, and it

1704
01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:40,080
Speaker 3: was just like I started developing like a self respect

1705
01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:42,240
Speaker 3: for myself. It was like the regardless of everything that's happened,

1706
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 3: it's like you're not choosing to think what people think

1707
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 3: about you. You're just in your zone and you're working

1708
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:51,160
Speaker 3: to better yourself. And so I was like honestly happier

1709
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:53,320
Speaker 3: with myself. Had more respect for myself there than when

1710
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:55,720
Speaker 3: I was like in the league playing football, like it.

1711
01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:57,680
Speaker 1: Was going to sprouts and doing your thing and just.

1712
01:04:57,600 --> 01:04:59,480
Speaker 2: Like looking at yourself in the mirror, shot out sprouts.

1713
01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:01,600
Speaker 1: No free Shoto gotta say that you can't just shout

1714
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:08,040
Speaker 1: out sprouts. But you know that's that's un that's unreal.

1715
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 2: Dude.

1716
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:10,840
Speaker 1: When you got out of rehab, were you nervous to

1717
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:12,000
Speaker 1: like go back out.

1718
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 2: And yeah, but it was like.

1719
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:15,680
Speaker 1: I kind of be around people who you're like all.

1720
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:18,600
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, the first the first six months, it was like.

1721
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:22,960
Speaker 3: I couldn't be around like things that were like people

1722
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:25,520
Speaker 3: like being used in or anything. Like everytime I opened

1723
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:27,560
Speaker 3: like the medicine cabinet, I'll just be like I had

1724
01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:29,720
Speaker 3: to shut it like dead ass. Like I would just

1725
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:33,360
Speaker 3: be like and so, and then I'll be like super

1726
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:35,320
Speaker 3: envious to people. It would be like, Yo, they can

1727
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:37,960
Speaker 3: get fucked up all the time, like nothing happens like

1728
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:40,040
Speaker 3: I get sucked up. I'm not even an asshole when

1729
01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:41,600
Speaker 3: I get sucked up. But I always seem to get

1730
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:43,600
Speaker 3: in trouble out. Something always seems to go wrong.

1731
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:47,120
Speaker 1: And it's just like because for you it'll spiral.

1732
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:48,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's just like why can't I do that?

1733
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:51,320
Speaker 3: But then like after like six months, like the first

1734
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:53,120
Speaker 3: six months, I was just like going to meetings, but

1735
01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:55,400
Speaker 3: I wasn't like working the twelve Steps. When I started

1736
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 3: working the twelve Steps, it was like just like unlocked

1737
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:00,440
Speaker 3: shit even more for me because it's just just like

1738
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:02,880
Speaker 3: a deep dive into who you are, Like you don't

1739
01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:06,280
Speaker 3: even have to be a drug addict to like do

1740
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:08,480
Speaker 3: twelve steps, but it's like that kind of shit like

1741
01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:10,280
Speaker 3: unlocked me even more. And it was like after that,

1742
01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:13,840
Speaker 3: it was just like I realized, like, man, I'm not

1743
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:16,200
Speaker 3: getting anywhere with that, Like that's not my purpose for

1744
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:18,480
Speaker 3: me to be here. It's not to just for me

1745
01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:21,720
Speaker 3: to get high and just like fulfill myself and just

1746
01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:24,040
Speaker 3: like so I can feel better. It's about you know,

1747
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:26,440
Speaker 3: just like or it's like overcoming that shit. Like it's

1748
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 3: like like we got bigger shit to do. Like it

1749
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:32,120
Speaker 3: started to it started to resonate with me. It's like

1750
01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:34,600
Speaker 3: like I'm not a normal person, so I can't be

1751
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:35,520
Speaker 3: acting like normal people.

1752
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:36,600
Speaker 2: That's when it started clicking.

1753
01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:38,280
Speaker 3: And then it's just like ever since then, it was

1754
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:40,880
Speaker 3: like the first six months, so I didn't want to

1755
01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:41,800
Speaker 3: didn't want to train.

1756
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:44,240
Speaker 2: Really. I started kind of working out. I couldn't make

1757
01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:45,480
Speaker 2: it through workouts. I got hurt.

1758
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:48,120
Speaker 3: But then there's like once it started opening up for me,

1759
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:49,480
Speaker 3: I was like I'm not normal, Like I can't be

1760
01:06:49,520 --> 01:06:51,960
Speaker 3: doing things that normal people were doing. I got back

1761
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:55,520
Speaker 3: into training and I was like just grinding like crazy,

1762
01:06:55,600 --> 01:06:57,280
Speaker 3: and then it was just like it's just shit just

1763
01:06:57,280 --> 01:06:59,600
Speaker 3: started clicking on so many levels and it was just

1764
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:01,440
Speaker 3: like oh, like it was like.

1765
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:01,959
Speaker 2: I was clean.

1766
01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:03,600
Speaker 3: So it was like I know, I'm on my p's

1767
01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:06,640
Speaker 3: and q's like when reinstatement hearing comes up, I'm gonna

1768
01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:09,480
Speaker 3: get reinstated, so I might as well get ready.

1769
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:11,440
Speaker 2: And it's like now I want to be back and

1770
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:12,320
Speaker 2: it's like okay.

1771
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:13,680
Speaker 1: You're like itching to kind of play ball again.

1772
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:16,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, like like let's lock, let's get it. And then

1773
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:18,800
Speaker 3: it's like I got reinstated in August. It was like

1774
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:22,400
Speaker 3: August ninth of twenty eighteen. It was like they had

1775
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:23,880
Speaker 3: already been done a couple of weeks of training camp.

1776
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:25,960
Speaker 3: I came in. People on a team light they've seen

1777
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:27,320
Speaker 3: a ghost when I came in, because it was just

1778
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:29,360
Speaker 3: like I just kind of disappeared with no nob you

1779
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:31,600
Speaker 3: were going for an entire year and didn't tell anyone,

1780
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:32,360
Speaker 3: like it just happened.

1781
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:33,640
Speaker 2: And then it's nobody really.

1782
01:07:33,560 --> 01:07:35,160
Speaker 1: Knew what you went through either, like the rehab and

1783
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:37,200
Speaker 1: all that. Maybe maybe a couple of guys, but you're

1784
01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:37,840
Speaker 1: just kind of kind I.

1785
01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:39,520
Speaker 2: Don't think anybody did. I ain't talk to nobody in

1786
01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:40,120
Speaker 2: the team.

1787
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:41,720
Speaker 1: No onehew, you were working at Sprouts, no one there.

1788
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:44,120
Speaker 1: You went thirty five days of rehab and then a

1789
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:46,760
Speaker 1: whole year passes, and you fucking come back and you're

1790
01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:48,080
Speaker 1: you're like primed.

1791
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:49,919
Speaker 2: Like I came into training camp.

1792
01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:52,320
Speaker 3: Brother, they thought, I mean, most people will think that

1793
01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:54,560
Speaker 3: it's like, all right, he'd been out suspended life for

1794
01:07:55,160 --> 01:07:57,000
Speaker 3: he's finna be come back, and he's not finna have

1795
01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:57,959
Speaker 3: it like he' finla lost a step.

1796
01:07:58,000 --> 01:07:59,600
Speaker 2: He sure playing like a drug addict.

1797
01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:02,360
Speaker 1: Somebody somebody, yeah, somebody competing with you. Like I'm not

1798
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:02,720
Speaker 1: too worried.

1799
01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:04,280
Speaker 3: I came in the first day of training, came with

1800
01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:06,760
Speaker 3: cooking everybody, and they were just like, oh man, because

1801
01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:09,760
Speaker 3: they had drafted the two tight ends, rookie tight ends,

1802
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:12,880
Speaker 3: Mark Andrews and Hayden Hurst were really good players, so

1803
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:14,760
Speaker 3: they're invested in them, and it's like I'm there, and

1804
01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:16,040
Speaker 3: it's just like I think it just kind of threw

1805
01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:17,760
Speaker 3: a wrench of all their planning and like, dang, like

1806
01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:20,599
Speaker 3: we gotta like because then after that, it was just

1807
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:23,000
Speaker 3: like the practice reps went down in the game, We're

1808
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:25,439
Speaker 3: not getting no burned to the end, and it's just like,

1809
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:27,240
Speaker 3: I think I got one target the whole preseason. So

1810
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:28,760
Speaker 3: it was just like a business loop on their part

1811
01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:31,120
Speaker 3: to hide me because they knew I still had it,

1812
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:33,120
Speaker 3: but they were like and they knew nobody would touch me.

1813
01:08:33,160 --> 01:08:34,800
Speaker 3: So I was like, I was just like probably the

1814
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:36,960
Speaker 3: best insurance policy that anyone could have a tight end

1815
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:39,120
Speaker 3: in the league being on practice squad with Ravens there,

1816
01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:40,599
Speaker 3: because they cut me and put me on practice squad.

1817
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:43,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, and talk about just for a tangent, just for

1818
01:08:43,280 --> 01:08:45,920
Speaker 1: a second, Like teams will do that, like if you're

1819
01:08:46,040 --> 01:08:47,720
Speaker 1: you're a beast, like say, yeah, I mean you were

1820
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:48,840
Speaker 1: in a rook at this point, but a lot of

1821
01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:52,040
Speaker 1: rookies say they go undrafted or their later rounds or

1822
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:54,880
Speaker 1: something like, they will suppress their reps and not show

1823
01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:57,479
Speaker 1: them off in the preseason games because they want to

1824
01:08:57,520 --> 01:08:59,960
Speaker 1: sneak them onto a practice squad, so they don't want

1825
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:02,400
Speaker 1: other thirty the other thirty one teams that like have

1826
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:05,240
Speaker 1: much film on them, so guys will be like stress, like, Yo,

1827
01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:08,760
Speaker 1: I'm fucking I've been showing everything in training camp play.

1828
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:10,639
Speaker 1: I don't see why I'm not getting any player getting

1829
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:14,439
Speaker 1: any reps in the preseason games and you know not

1830
01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:16,559
Speaker 1: come to find out. But like what teams are doing

1831
01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:18,920
Speaker 1: is they're trying not to show any of the any

1832
01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:20,799
Speaker 1: of that product on the field, so they can sneak

1833
01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:22,920
Speaker 1: you on a practice squad. So the the way they

1834
01:09:22,920 --> 01:09:24,679
Speaker 1: can make room for somebody who's kind of a fenced

1835
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:26,760
Speaker 1: player and see if they can pan out. If they don't,

1836
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:28,200
Speaker 1: they'll cut that dude and move that dude up from

1837
01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:30,040
Speaker 1: practice squad. But they don't want you to go away,

1838
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:31,720
Speaker 1: so that's why they won't play you in the preseason.

1839
01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:34,000
Speaker 2: Yep. So I wouldn't getting no burn. Like it was

1840
01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:35,280
Speaker 2: like people were watching the game.

1841
01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:37,080
Speaker 3: It's just like looking out for me, like when you're

1842
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:38,800
Speaker 3: gonna get in And I was like, bro, I have

1843
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:40,080
Speaker 3: no idea.

1844
01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:42,519
Speaker 1: But you're cooking everybody in practice your Yeah, Like that.

1845
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:44,439
Speaker 2: First day, it was it was just known and everybody

1846
01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:45,920
Speaker 2: was just like shit, he's back.

1847
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:47,880
Speaker 3: And then like after that, it was just like it

1848
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:50,799
Speaker 3: wasn't like getting at like my reps kind of decreased.

1849
01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:52,599
Speaker 3: You still get a lot of working in training. Campus

1850
01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:54,080
Speaker 3: are trying to rest them guys. But when it came

1851
01:09:54,120 --> 01:09:55,920
Speaker 3: to the games, I wasn't getting a lot of playing time.

1852
01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:58,200
Speaker 3: And you know, I respected it because I knew what

1853
01:09:58,240 --> 01:10:00,240
Speaker 3: it was and like my mind, my mind frame was different.

1854
01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:01,760
Speaker 3: It was like, Okay, like this is how it's gonna be.

1855
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:03,840
Speaker 3: Like just because I got reinstated didn't mean like the

1856
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:05,720
Speaker 3: red carp was gonna get rolled out and like I'm

1857
01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:07,960
Speaker 3: about to be like this guy's like I'm back. No,

1858
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:09,920
Speaker 3: it's just it's gonna be it's gonna keep getting harder.

1859
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:12,760
Speaker 3: It's just like but it was like the like, you know,

1860
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:14,960
Speaker 3: the experience in my car and then working as sprouts,

1861
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:17,160
Speaker 3: that was all the humbling that I needed. Like that

1862
01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:21,160
Speaker 3: those two experiences humbled me to where it was just like, Okay,

1863
01:10:21,160 --> 01:10:22,559
Speaker 3: I'm going the practice squad. I'm gonna make the most

1864
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:25,080
Speaker 3: out of this sweat anything. I'm not about to be

1865
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:26,559
Speaker 3: like they gotta be on the practice squad.

1866
01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:26,880
Speaker 1: I'm this.

1867
01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:27,479
Speaker 2: I did this.

1868
01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:29,160
Speaker 3: They know who I am. I didn't think none of that.

1869
01:10:29,200 --> 01:10:31,400
Speaker 3: I was just like this is where I'm at. Cool,

1870
01:10:31,479 --> 01:10:33,439
Speaker 3: like lock in. I'm going to the number one defense

1871
01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:35,680
Speaker 3: in practice every day of practice during the week. I'm

1872
01:10:35,720 --> 01:10:39,160
Speaker 3: gonna if I cook them, if if it's God's will

1873
01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:40,680
Speaker 3: for me to play after that, then I'm gonna play.

1874
01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:42,559
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be ready because I'm playing number one defense

1875
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:43,960
Speaker 3: every day in the league, no doubt.

1876
01:10:44,200 --> 01:10:45,600
Speaker 2: C J.

1877
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:47,759
Speaker 3: Mosley is a Darius Smith on the Green Bay Packers,

1878
01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:53,519
Speaker 3: Tony Jefferson, Eric Weddle, Jimmy Smith, Marlon Humphrey, like the

1879
01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:55,280
Speaker 3: top defense in the league. And so it's like I'm

1880
01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:57,200
Speaker 3: going against them every day and it's like battling. It's

1881
01:10:57,200 --> 01:10:59,519
Speaker 3: like I'm winning there, winning and it's like I kept

1882
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:01,040
Speaker 3: getting better every week every week.

1883
01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:02,400
Speaker 2: Then it's like I.

1884
01:11:02,360 --> 01:11:03,600
Speaker 3: Had one week it was like I think it was

1885
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:06,880
Speaker 3: the week where the Raiders played the Ravens, and I

1886
01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:10,000
Speaker 3: was just like damn, like like I'm doing good, like

1887
01:11:10,040 --> 01:11:11,200
Speaker 3: I'm staying built up.

1888
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:12,040
Speaker 2: I'm positive.

1889
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:14,360
Speaker 3: Where it's like maybe I'm not, maybe I'm not meant

1890
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:15,960
Speaker 3: to play enough the game again, like but I am

1891
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:18,120
Speaker 3: enjoying being at practice and just like playing the art

1892
01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:20,720
Speaker 3: just it's just the craft of football, and it's like,

1893
01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:23,640
Speaker 3: so I'm enjoying that. And then it's like before all

1894
01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:27,040
Speaker 3: the games, I would me and RG three, would you

1895
01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:28,639
Speaker 3: know everybody's throwing a T shirt and shorts?

1896
01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:30,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, we would throw. Everyone would throw, and then after

1897
01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:33,639
Speaker 2: everyone went inside me and RG three. Then sometimes there's

1898
01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:36,120
Speaker 2: why she was Jordan Lesley. We would throw like an

1899
01:11:36,120 --> 01:11:38,760
Speaker 2: extra twenty, like an extra twenty routes to catch an

1900
01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:40,120
Speaker 2: extra twenty balls from RG three.

1901
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:45,040
Speaker 3: Yeah shout three, yes, sir, shout three three, and we

1902
01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:48,719
Speaker 3: would get working and it was just like so before

1903
01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:51,559
Speaker 3: the Raiders game, it was just like I think only

1904
01:11:53,360 --> 01:11:55,160
Speaker 3: was they were just out there just like I don't

1905
01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:56,599
Speaker 3: know what they were doing their warm ups, but they

1906
01:11:56,600 --> 01:11:58,120
Speaker 3: looked over and saw me working out. They was like,

1907
01:11:58,160 --> 01:12:01,559
Speaker 3: who is that running around on Who's only Greg Olsen,

1908
01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:04,559
Speaker 3: the offensive coordinator for the Raiders, Okay, and he's like,

1909
01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:07,120
Speaker 3: who is that running around over there? And then it

1910
01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:09,240
Speaker 3: and then it turns out like Frank, who was my

1911
01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:11,240
Speaker 3: tight end coach, knew me because he was a tight

1912
01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:15,120
Speaker 3: end coach in Chicago, and apparently they were looking at

1913
01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:17,960
Speaker 3: trying to get me, but they couldn't. Like before I

1914
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:20,479
Speaker 3: got suspended or whatever. Then he was like that's uh,

1915
01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:23,880
Speaker 3: that's Darren Waller, like he's uh no, tight end d D.

1916
01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:27,680
Speaker 3: And then it's like after that, it was like the game,

1917
01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:29,840
Speaker 3: I'm staying on the sideline watching the Raiders play the Ravens.

1918
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:30,960
Speaker 2: And then the next day in.

1919
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:35,320
Speaker 3: The morning, I got my window in my side window

1920
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:36,880
Speaker 3: knocked off my jeep, so I had to go to like.

1921
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:37,639
Speaker 2: This collision center.

1922
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:39,040
Speaker 3: So I'm there early in the morning, like trying to

1923
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:41,240
Speaker 3: get a new mirror, get an estimate. My agent hits

1924
01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:42,960
Speaker 3: me is like the Raiders are putting you on their

1925
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:47,080
Speaker 3: active roster, and it's like like you're probably gonna leave today,

1926
01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:50,200
Speaker 3: and it's just like I'm just like wait, what, Like

1927
01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:50,640
Speaker 3: I had no.

1928
01:12:52,120 --> 01:12:54,680
Speaker 2: It's like I get back and talk to him.

1929
01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:57,320
Speaker 3: It's like yeah, They're like they're signing you to the

1930
01:12:57,360 --> 01:12:58,880
Speaker 3: active roster, like they want you to leave in a

1931
01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:01,160
Speaker 3: few hours. And then it's like the rule where you know,

1932
01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:03,160
Speaker 3: if somebody activates you off the practice squad, your own

1933
01:13:03,200 --> 01:13:07,599
Speaker 3: team can activate you too, And so Harball was like

1934
01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:09,880
Speaker 3: the whole time, they'd been like, man, like you know,

1935
01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:11,720
Speaker 3: if somebody goes down, you'll be the next guy up,

1936
01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:12,960
Speaker 3: Like you'll be ready da da dah.

1937
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:14,679
Speaker 1: I'm just like, did they try to up your pay

1938
01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:17,479
Speaker 1: on practice squad? Na to match? Because sometimes if they

1939
01:13:17,479 --> 01:13:20,759
Speaker 1: don't want guys to go, they'll match the practice squad's salary.

1940
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:22,559
Speaker 1: Like I think you get paid one twelve or one

1941
01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:25,000
Speaker 1: oh two on practice squad, they'll match like four or

1942
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:27,240
Speaker 1: five hundred thousand dollars, so you don't leave and stay.

1943
01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:28,200
Speaker 2: I ain't getting none of that.

1944
01:13:28,479 --> 01:13:29,280
Speaker 1: You didn't get none of that.

1945
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:32,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And it was like something like something

1946
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:34,200
Speaker 3: with my signing bonus where like I didn't play a

1947
01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:37,160
Speaker 3: certain amount of games or something where they were recanning

1948
01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:38,920
Speaker 3: money for my signing bonus, so they were cutting my

1949
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:42,760
Speaker 3: practice squad checking half. I was making like sixty six

1950
01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:44,519
Speaker 3: before taxes, so.

1951
01:13:44,479 --> 01:13:49,000
Speaker 2: I wasn't making it. I was making pay Yeah. And

1952
01:13:49,080 --> 01:13:50,040
Speaker 2: then but.

1953
01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:54,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, so then they like, I'm like, yo, I harbor

1954
01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:56,720
Speaker 3: my agents, Like Harball is gonna call you. And it's

1955
01:13:56,760 --> 01:13:59,160
Speaker 3: like he calls me. It's just like, hey, like you

1956
01:13:59,160 --> 01:14:01,200
Speaker 3: should stay. Like the next week we're playing in the

1957
01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:02,839
Speaker 3: in Atlanta. He was like, you'll be in your hometown,

1958
01:14:02,840 --> 01:14:04,439
Speaker 3: you'll be active, you'll be playing. He's like, I've been

1959
01:14:04,439 --> 01:14:06,080
Speaker 3: waiting for this opportunity, cause they've been told me like

1960
01:14:06,120 --> 01:14:07,599
Speaker 3: we're trying to get you up, We're trying to get

1961
01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:08,320
Speaker 3: you up, and I'm just.

1962
01:14:08,280 --> 01:14:10,559
Speaker 2: Like it's in one year out the other.

1963
01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:12,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, like if you want to give me up, give me.

1964
01:14:13,160 --> 01:14:14,800
Speaker 3: Because they see what I'm doing in practice, and it's

1965
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:16,560
Speaker 3: just like okay, like when these things are out of

1966
01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:19,760
Speaker 3: my control. And so he's like you should stay. Like

1967
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:21,599
Speaker 3: he's like, then it's like you don't know what's going

1968
01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:23,519
Speaker 3: to happen out there when you go to Oakland, Like

1969
01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:25,200
Speaker 3: you don't know like what that situation is going to

1970
01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:27,760
Speaker 3: be like. And I'm just like, you know, I need

1971
01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:29,400
Speaker 3: some maybe I need some uncertainty, like I know what

1972
01:14:29,439 --> 01:14:30,840
Speaker 3: my situation is like here's because it's like, you know,

1973
01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:33,599
Speaker 3: we got two young studs here and and y'all feeding

1974
01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:35,200
Speaker 3: them and they're getting better. So it's like I'm not

1975
01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:37,840
Speaker 3: finna crack into what they're getting and y'all, y'all already

1976
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:40,640
Speaker 3: financially invested in them, so I'm finna go see what

1977
01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:43,240
Speaker 3: this is looking like. And then so I'm like, yo,

1978
01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:45,160
Speaker 3: I'm going like I'm not I'm not staying. And then

1979
01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:47,120
Speaker 3: like I go to Oakland the next day, I get

1980
01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:50,160
Speaker 3: there for I'm practicing the next day and it's like,

1981
01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:52,479
Speaker 3: you know, I'm like fucking like, we're here now, we

1982
01:14:52,479 --> 01:14:54,840
Speaker 3: gotta keep the fucking door in. It's just like I'm

1983
01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:56,559
Speaker 3: going hard at practice, bro like hard.

1984
01:14:56,640 --> 01:14:57,280
Speaker 2: And then there's a.

1985
01:14:57,280 --> 01:14:59,080
Speaker 3: Couple dus out there. They're like, yo, like chill out,

1986
01:14:59,080 --> 01:15:01,280
Speaker 3: like what's going on? Like I was like, no, this

1987
01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:05,200
Speaker 3: how this is how I'm used to in Baltimore. But

1988
01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:07,760
Speaker 3: it's like it just turned up from there. Like I

1989
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:09,559
Speaker 3: didn't like the first game. I sat out because I

1990
01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:11,920
Speaker 3: got there and I just had to like learn to

1991
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:13,680
Speaker 3: playbook and stuff. Then the next week I got in there,

1992
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:15,040
Speaker 3: I was playing a few players. I got there on

1993
01:15:15,080 --> 01:15:17,400
Speaker 3: special teams and people didn't know I played gunner in

1994
01:15:17,439 --> 01:15:18,960
Speaker 3: my first two years in Baltimore.

1995
01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:21,439
Speaker 1: Yo, a tight end out there had fucking Gunner.

1996
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:23,160
Speaker 2: Dude, I was playing gunner and I had like quite

1997
01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:24,000
Speaker 2: a few tackles at it.

1998
01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:27,599
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, who we got. We got to a couple

1999
01:15:27,640 --> 01:15:29,160
Speaker 1: of tackles ship.

2000
01:15:29,080 --> 01:15:31,960
Speaker 3: But they had but Rich was like, like, what position

2001
01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:33,720
Speaker 3: you play? I was like, I played gunner and he

2002
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:36,920
Speaker 3: was like, you don't play gunner. Then he went out

2003
01:15:36,920 --> 01:15:38,800
Speaker 3: and found film because like my second year, we had

2004
01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:40,200
Speaker 3: played Dallas when Rich was there and I was out

2005
01:15:40,240 --> 01:15:41,760
Speaker 3: there at Gunner, like running down there on Gunner, and

2006
01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:42,880
Speaker 3: he was like, you did play Gunner.

2007
01:15:42,920 --> 01:15:44,920
Speaker 1: It's against him because he was on he was coaching

2008
01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:45,680
Speaker 1: the Cowboys at the time.

2009
01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:47,000
Speaker 3: So I got there in the Steeters game and like

2010
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:48,439
Speaker 3: they tried to dope me outside and I just like

2011
01:15:48,479 --> 01:15:50,599
Speaker 3: threw both dudes to the ground, like were into the ball,

2012
01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:53,240
Speaker 3: and they were just like, what is happening? And I'm

2013
01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:55,160
Speaker 3: just like I'm just like trying to take advantage of everything,

2014
01:15:55,200 --> 01:15:56,400
Speaker 3: like I'm just like flying around.

2015
01:15:56,960 --> 01:15:58,760
Speaker 1: And then in the in your off time too, is

2016
01:15:58,760 --> 01:16:00,000
Speaker 1: this when you're really getting into music?

2017
01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:01,719
Speaker 2: I wasn't really.

2018
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:04,920
Speaker 3: I wasn't really doing any music when I was there,

2019
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:06,760
Speaker 3: Like for when I got practice squad, like I was

2020
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:08,600
Speaker 3: making beasts. Like I was staying with my aunt and

2021
01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:11,080
Speaker 3: uncle in Maryland, like you have my own crib, and

2022
01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:12,960
Speaker 3: I was in their basement just making beats the whole time.

2023
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:14,360
Speaker 3: But I got the Oakland, I was like, you were

2024
01:16:14,360 --> 01:16:16,360
Speaker 3: locked in on Oaka. I was like out here for

2025
01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:18,360
Speaker 3: five game, playing five games and we just locked in.

2026
01:16:18,479 --> 01:16:18,959
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2027
01:16:19,040 --> 01:16:20,920
Speaker 3: And then after that second game where I got in

2028
01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:24,320
Speaker 3: and played a little bit, we played at Cincinnati, and

2029
01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:28,120
Speaker 3: I touched the ball twice and the first one was

2030
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:30,960
Speaker 3: they handed me like a jet suite out of like

2031
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:32,920
Speaker 3: a three tight end personnel and I ran for like

2032
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:33,920
Speaker 3: twenty five something.

2033
01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:36,160
Speaker 2: Yards and everybody was just like what is Like what

2034
01:16:36,280 --> 01:16:36,519
Speaker 2: is this?

2035
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:38,200
Speaker 3: And it's just like and then the second time I

2036
01:16:38,200 --> 01:16:40,160
Speaker 3: caught like a shallow crossroud, I ran for like forty

2037
01:16:40,160 --> 01:16:41,920
Speaker 3: five yards, like all the way down to the goal line,

2038
01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:44,080
Speaker 3: and it's just like at that moment, I was like,

2039
01:16:44,120 --> 01:16:45,920
Speaker 3: I ain't played organized football in two years, but I

2040
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:48,680
Speaker 3: was like, I like I'm here, like I know, like

2041
01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:49,800
Speaker 3: it's time now.

2042
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:53,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yo, that's fucking awesome. Man. Then you so you

2043
01:16:53,800 --> 01:16:56,160
Speaker 1: finished up the year with Oakland. Everybody's obviously excited about

2044
01:16:56,160 --> 01:16:59,360
Speaker 1: you probably going into the next year. What is your

2045
01:16:59,400 --> 01:17:02,599
Speaker 1: battle like with substances or being around guys or anything

2046
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:04,160
Speaker 1: like that? At this point? Are you pretty locked in

2047
01:17:04,200 --> 01:17:07,639
Speaker 1: and you're not really uh, you're not really giving an

2048
01:17:07,640 --> 01:17:10,479
Speaker 1: opportunity for it, Like you're in the extended, say I

2049
01:17:10,479 --> 01:17:11,719
Speaker 1: assume even.

2050
01:17:11,479 --> 01:17:15,240
Speaker 2: Though no I'm not. I'm in Atlanta right.

2051
01:17:15,160 --> 01:17:18,840
Speaker 1: Now when you're in those last five games, Yeah, I

2052
01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:20,760
Speaker 1: was at the extending Yeah, that's what I'm saying. How

2053
01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:23,320
Speaker 1: was your what was your mental like with like drugs

2054
01:17:23,360 --> 01:17:25,200
Speaker 1: and stuff or alcohol or anything. Were you just not

2055
01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:26,439
Speaker 1: even giving it an opportunity.

2056
01:17:26,479 --> 01:17:28,479
Speaker 3: It wasn't even I was going to meetings. I was

2057
01:17:28,520 --> 01:17:30,920
Speaker 3: locked in feeling good on my recovery year, and you're.

2058
01:17:30,760 --> 01:17:33,120
Speaker 1: Like feeling good about Darren Waller, Like it wasn't even

2059
01:17:33,160 --> 01:17:34,360
Speaker 1: a thought in your mind, right.

2060
01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:36,200
Speaker 3: And then it's like you get around guys and just

2061
01:17:36,240 --> 01:17:37,880
Speaker 3: like we kind of have like Bible study and like

2062
01:17:37,960 --> 01:17:39,719
Speaker 3: kind of like like you just be like open floor

2063
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:41,680
Speaker 3: like talking and I would just kind of like you know,

2064
01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:44,400
Speaker 3: say something, say something about like what I was going through,

2065
01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:46,080
Speaker 3: what I had gone through. Like the first time, people

2066
01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:47,519
Speaker 3: were just kind of like whoa, Like you're really talking

2067
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:48,760
Speaker 3: about this ship and I was just like.

2068
01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:52,720
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sitting here on the bus like yo, man,

2069
01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:53,240
Speaker 1: it's open.

2070
01:17:53,439 --> 01:17:55,360
Speaker 3: But then after that, like people were like, you know,

2071
01:17:55,400 --> 01:17:57,680
Speaker 3: they'll walk me, and like it was just like I

2072
01:17:57,680 --> 01:17:59,280
Speaker 3: could say anything and they were just like hey, like

2073
01:17:59,640 --> 01:18:02,200
Speaker 3: like like that's real, Like we just they're just listening

2074
01:18:02,240 --> 01:18:03,960
Speaker 3: to me. They weren't judging me or anything. And so

2075
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:06,040
Speaker 3: it's like once I realized that, it was just like

2076
01:18:06,040 --> 01:18:08,200
Speaker 3: it made me want to be build more relationships with

2077
01:18:08,200 --> 01:18:10,639
Speaker 3: the team and just be more open around the team.

2078
01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:13,120
Speaker 3: And then that turned into you know, like the extra

2079
01:18:13,160 --> 01:18:14,920
Speaker 3: time I put in and it's just like I'm doing

2080
01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:15,719
Speaker 3: it for guys.

2081
01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:17,280
Speaker 2: You know, I'm doing it for the team.

2082
01:18:17,320 --> 01:18:19,000
Speaker 3: And it's like whereas before it's like also wrapped up

2083
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:20,479
Speaker 3: with myself and just like I'm trying to get high,

2084
01:18:20,520 --> 01:18:22,800
Speaker 3: like the world is caving down on me. I'm just

2085
01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:25,400
Speaker 3: so worried about myself. I wasn't really worried about anybody else,

2086
01:18:25,880 --> 01:18:27,840
Speaker 3: and now it's real, man, So it's like that kind

2087
01:18:27,840 --> 01:18:29,640
Speaker 3: of opened up for me. It's just like okay, like

2088
01:18:29,680 --> 01:18:31,080
Speaker 3: so I'm just playing for it's bigger than me.

2089
01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:33,120
Speaker 2: Now. That's when it started clicking in and it's just like,

2090
01:18:33,280 --> 01:18:34,400
Speaker 2: you know, keep building on it.

2091
01:18:35,200 --> 01:18:37,120
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2092
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2097
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2098
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2099
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2100
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2130
01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:30,679
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2131
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2132
01:20:34,720 --> 01:20:38,760
Speaker 2: You got after the first after like the fifth game.

2133
01:20:39,240 --> 01:20:41,120
Speaker 1: And you're just you're just a monster in training camp

2134
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Speaker 1: and everything. I was watching because I was watching your

2135
01:20:43,240 --> 01:20:45,559
Speaker 1: Hard Knocks thing last night, It's like, yo, the boy

2136
01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:46,720
Speaker 1: Darren's a beast.

2137
01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:47,880
Speaker 2: And it was it was just bro.

2138
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:49,960
Speaker 3: It was just really weird because it's just like I

2139
01:20:50,080 --> 01:20:53,280
Speaker 3: never started or nothing, but I was just like I

2140
01:20:53,320 --> 01:20:54,800
Speaker 3: was just like ready for it. I don't know, it

2141
01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:56,800
Speaker 3: was just it's still hard for me to wrap my

2142
01:20:56,840 --> 01:20:58,559
Speaker 3: mind around all of that. I'm just like, how fast

2143
01:20:58,640 --> 01:20:59,599
Speaker 3: everything kind of happened?

2144
01:20:59,680 --> 01:21:02,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. But but yeah, then.

2145
01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:04,080
Speaker 1: I saw the Madden guys ask you about your sixteenth

2146
01:21:04,120 --> 01:21:05,840
Speaker 1: Madden rating. You're like, yeah, it should be that, and

2147
01:21:05,880 --> 01:21:06,920
Speaker 1: you didn't bother you.

2148
01:21:07,200 --> 01:21:08,680
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean what do you think?

2149
01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:10,000
Speaker 1: What do you think it should be now?

2150
01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:12,920
Speaker 2: I mean we got to be up around like mid

2151
01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:14,000
Speaker 2: eighties right now, don't we.

2152
01:21:14,280 --> 01:21:17,280
Speaker 1: I think so? I think so and Campbells were talking

2153
01:21:17,280 --> 01:21:19,680
Speaker 1: about it. How many tight ends? Where do you think

2154
01:21:19,680 --> 01:21:21,400
Speaker 1: you rank at the tight end world after this.

2155
01:21:21,400 --> 01:21:21,920
Speaker 2: Year you had?

2156
01:21:22,680 --> 01:21:23,080
Speaker 1: Uh?

2157
01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:25,200
Speaker 2: I mean it's a lot of good tight ends.

2158
01:21:25,200 --> 01:21:26,680
Speaker 1: Brou You know who you know who's coming on the

2159
01:21:26,680 --> 01:21:30,680
Speaker 1: bus Monday? George Kittle? Nice So Kittle will be on

2160
01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:33,200
Speaker 1: so that'll be dope. He's actually he lives out here,

2161
01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:36,000
Speaker 1: oh in Nashville, so that'll be a good one.

2162
01:21:36,080 --> 01:21:36,479
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2163
01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:39,599
Speaker 1: But we were talking him like, yo, man, he's got

2164
01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:42,240
Speaker 1: to be top five. Yeah, he's saying top three. I mean,

2165
01:21:42,439 --> 01:21:44,000
Speaker 1: it's just you just don't know all the tight ends

2166
01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:46,320
Speaker 1: that are. I can't like remember all the names that

2167
01:21:46,320 --> 01:21:48,200
Speaker 1: are out there. But yeah, the boy's a beast.

2168
01:21:48,479 --> 01:21:49,680
Speaker 2: He's had a good tight ends though.

2169
01:21:49,720 --> 01:21:51,960
Speaker 1: Shout at him, Yeah, shout out to the tight ends. Man,

2170
01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:53,880
Speaker 1: We're about to be a little tight end you and him.

2171
01:21:53,880 --> 01:21:55,840
Speaker 1: We got him and George Kittle back to back. Wow,

2172
01:21:55,840 --> 01:21:57,600
Speaker 1: We're going to try to get Cayle Rudolph on. We

2173
01:21:57,640 --> 01:22:01,759
Speaker 1: met him out of Miami. You know, this pod fires

2174
01:22:01,800 --> 01:22:04,479
Speaker 1: me up. What makes you want to be so open

2175
01:22:04,520 --> 01:22:07,160
Speaker 1: about it? Honestly? What makes you like want to answer

2176
01:22:07,200 --> 01:22:09,400
Speaker 1: all these questions and be so truthful and kind of

2177
01:22:09,439 --> 01:22:11,960
Speaker 1: get your story out there like you you basically have

2178
01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:12,479
Speaker 1: on this pod.

2179
01:22:13,080 --> 01:22:15,439
Speaker 3: So once I kind of said like things like bigger

2180
01:22:15,439 --> 01:22:17,680
Speaker 3: than me, I kind of looked and started tapping into

2181
01:22:17,720 --> 01:22:19,920
Speaker 3: the mind of someone that was me when I was

2182
01:22:19,960 --> 01:22:21,479
Speaker 3: like fifteen, and I was just like, told you, it

2183
01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:23,439
Speaker 3: was just like I felt like I had nothing going on.

2184
01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:26,639
Speaker 3: It's like somebody's people are feeling like that, whatever age

2185
01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:28,800
Speaker 3: they're at, and it's just like you just come out

2186
01:22:28,800 --> 01:22:30,599
Speaker 3: and keep it real and like let people know that

2187
01:22:30,720 --> 01:22:34,439
Speaker 3: just because I got a certain occupation or people look

2188
01:22:34,479 --> 01:22:35,880
Speaker 3: at me a certain type of way, don't mean I'm

2189
01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:37,960
Speaker 3: not a real person that's been through some real things.

2190
01:22:37,960 --> 01:22:39,479
Speaker 3: So it's like, what's let it be known you could

2191
01:22:39,479 --> 01:22:43,120
Speaker 3: be you can still be successful after you fuck everything up,

2192
01:22:43,160 --> 01:22:45,880
Speaker 3: after you you know, have nothing going on, like you

2193
01:22:45,880 --> 01:22:48,080
Speaker 3: can still get back up on your feet and still

2194
01:22:48,160 --> 01:22:50,240
Speaker 3: like you know, do whatever you want to do, like

2195
01:22:50,280 --> 01:22:53,000
Speaker 3: still like you know, chase after what you truly want,

2196
01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:54,680
Speaker 3: what you want your life to be, Like it's never

2197
01:22:54,760 --> 01:22:55,400
Speaker 3: like over for you.

2198
01:22:55,439 --> 01:22:56,600
Speaker 2: So it's like I feel like it would be a.

2199
01:22:56,600 --> 01:22:58,080
Speaker 3: Shame if I didn't say nothing, Like if I was

2200
01:22:58,120 --> 01:23:00,120
Speaker 3: just quiet and like no I'm not talking about.

2201
01:22:59,960 --> 01:23:02,040
Speaker 2: It, that I would be like that'd be a shame.

2202
01:23:02,080 --> 01:23:03,639
Speaker 1: I feel like, do you speak?

2203
01:23:04,280 --> 01:23:06,719
Speaker 2: Yeah? I started sharing that like recovery meetings, and then.

2204
01:23:06,640 --> 01:23:09,000
Speaker 3: I was like I share that like my high school

2205
01:23:09,080 --> 01:23:11,679
Speaker 3: and sharing that schools, like sharing that some some camps

2206
01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:15,120
Speaker 3: like in the Atlanta area. Yeah, any opportunity somebody gives

2207
01:23:15,160 --> 01:23:16,439
Speaker 3: me to speak, I'm all over it.

2208
01:23:16,640 --> 01:23:19,680
Speaker 1: That's awesome, man, I did. I'm fired up for you.

2209
01:23:19,960 --> 01:23:21,640
Speaker 1: I didn't know any of this stuff about you, Like

2210
01:23:21,640 --> 01:23:24,200
Speaker 1: I knew obviously watching a couple of videos and literally

2211
01:23:24,240 --> 01:23:26,040
Speaker 1: like when I see the videos, like when I'm watching

2212
01:23:26,040 --> 01:23:28,880
Speaker 1: it last night before you come on, I'm just like, Yo,

2213
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:31,080
Speaker 1: that's you know, I'm thinking, like that's my boy. Like

2214
01:23:31,160 --> 01:23:33,519
Speaker 1: I met and had no idea that this was his

2215
01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:36,320
Speaker 1: story or his life, like just because again, we were

2216
01:23:36,360 --> 01:23:39,439
Speaker 1: in the Extended's day and we were just teammates and

2217
01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:41,000
Speaker 1: kind of, you know, friends, like you were like one

2218
01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:43,000
Speaker 1: of my friends like throughout the rest of the year

2219
01:23:43,280 --> 01:23:45,960
Speaker 1: on the Raiders. I'm like, yeah, it's what's crazy about

2220
01:23:46,040 --> 01:23:46,920
Speaker 1: no fucking clue.

2221
01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:48,040
Speaker 2: There's people I had I.

2222
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:50,320
Speaker 3: Was like best friends with for since I was a kid,

2223
01:23:50,439 --> 01:23:52,639
Speaker 3: like for double digit years, and then here to shit

2224
01:23:52,720 --> 01:23:54,040
Speaker 3: come out there like I didn't even know. So it's

2225
01:23:54,040 --> 01:23:56,920
Speaker 3: like I'm not talking. I wasn't talking to nobody about nothing.

2226
01:23:57,000 --> 01:23:58,200
Speaker 3: It was just like, you know, I was just in

2227
01:23:58,200 --> 01:23:59,240
Speaker 3: my own world, just hidding.

2228
01:24:00,360 --> 01:24:02,760
Speaker 1: And that's super real because so many people go through

2229
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:06,000
Speaker 1: things and me, I've you know, fortunately, I haven't been

2230
01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:09,719
Speaker 1: down or beens that involved in something that that abusive

2231
01:24:09,800 --> 01:24:12,000
Speaker 1: or anything like that. But people have so many like

2232
01:24:12,040 --> 01:24:14,479
Speaker 1: real thoughts and emotions that stays kind of suppressed. And

2233
01:24:14,520 --> 01:24:17,120
Speaker 1: then when people you kind of just talk to friends

2234
01:24:17,200 --> 01:24:19,400
Speaker 1: or group of people about it and you're kind of like, oh,

2235
01:24:19,439 --> 01:24:21,840
Speaker 1: that person's kind of like me in this sense, or

2236
01:24:22,240 --> 01:24:25,280
Speaker 1: all these insecurities you learn about somebody and you're like, Yo,

2237
01:24:25,720 --> 01:24:30,200
Speaker 1: humans are just fucking humans, dude. Yo, that's wild man.

2238
01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:32,880
Speaker 1: I'm stoked you came on. I can literally I blush

2239
01:24:32,920 --> 01:24:35,080
Speaker 1: the show over at eighty minutes. I could talk. I

2240
01:24:35,120 --> 01:24:36,600
Speaker 1: could sit here the rest of the fucking day with

2241
01:24:36,640 --> 01:24:40,720
Speaker 1: you and talk about you know what I'm saying. Done? Oh,

2242
01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:43,640
Speaker 1: hands down. Wow. I wish the Boy was here. I

2243
01:24:43,640 --> 01:24:48,840
Speaker 1: mean hopefully you know he listens. But I'm fired up

2244
01:24:48,840 --> 01:24:51,360
Speaker 1: about this man. I'm like, there's so many things I

2245
01:24:51,400 --> 01:24:53,320
Speaker 1: feel like I want to ask and I'm not thinking

2246
01:24:53,320 --> 01:24:56,000
Speaker 1: about do you can you guys think of anything? I

2247
01:24:56,040 --> 01:24:58,200
Speaker 1: know you had a bunch like we shouted you out

2248
01:24:58,240 --> 01:25:01,960
Speaker 1: on Twitter, free shout outs you're the boy and they're

2249
01:25:02,600 --> 01:25:04,719
Speaker 1: I mean, you had a lot of traction. People wanted

2250
01:25:04,760 --> 01:25:06,760
Speaker 1: to ask questions and learn about you. Do you want

2251
01:25:06,760 --> 01:25:07,479
Speaker 1: to bring some of them up?

2252
01:25:07,640 --> 01:25:10,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a few fan questions. Uh do you have

2253
01:25:10,360 --> 01:25:12,000
Speaker 4: a favorite John Gruden story?

2254
01:25:13,280 --> 01:25:16,840
Speaker 2: Oh? There we go, Yo. It's a lot of stuff

2255
01:25:16,840 --> 01:25:18,439
Speaker 2: that Darren waller Man.

2256
01:25:18,920 --> 01:25:19,080
Speaker 1: Nah.

2257
01:25:19,200 --> 01:25:22,360
Speaker 2: I mean, I'll probably say my favorite is.

2258
01:25:22,880 --> 01:25:26,840
Speaker 1: Darren waller Man making some big plays over overcoming the adversity.

2259
01:25:26,920 --> 01:25:29,120
Speaker 1: Knock on wood if you're with me, knock on wood

2260
01:25:29,160 --> 01:25:30,200
Speaker 1: for Darren waller Man.

2261
01:25:30,360 --> 01:25:32,400
Speaker 2: I mean, I just remember, like when I first got there,

2262
01:25:32,960 --> 01:25:33,719
Speaker 2: he was just like.

2263
01:25:33,680 --> 01:25:34,880
Speaker 1: Hey, Hey, knock on wood.

2264
01:25:35,280 --> 01:25:36,400
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Gruden.

2265
01:25:37,920 --> 01:25:39,559
Speaker 3: When I first got there, like all the practice squad,

2266
01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:41,040
Speaker 3: he was like, you're gonna do great things for He's

2267
01:25:41,040 --> 01:25:43,000
Speaker 3: gonna be great, and it's just like I wouldn't even

2268
01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:44,479
Speaker 3: think like that, and I was just like, let's just

2269
01:25:44,520 --> 01:25:45,639
Speaker 3: not fuck this up this time.

2270
01:25:45,920 --> 01:25:50,320
Speaker 2: That's just like the time, man, let's just not ruin it.

2271
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:52,080
Speaker 3: Like I feel like I could do good enough if

2272
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:54,360
Speaker 3: we just don't ruin it myself, like yeah, my own way.

2273
01:25:54,400 --> 01:25:56,439
Speaker 3: But Gruden's like talking like greatness out the gate, and

2274
01:25:56,439 --> 01:25:58,840
Speaker 3: I'm just like I can't comprehend it. Like he kind

2275
01:25:58,840 --> 01:26:00,960
Speaker 3: of fires you up right, and it's like the whole

2276
01:26:00,960 --> 01:26:03,799
Speaker 3: off season he's just like gassing me up like publicly,

2277
01:26:03,840 --> 01:26:05,479
Speaker 3: and I'm just like in my mind, I'm just like yo,

2278
01:26:05,680 --> 01:26:08,640
Speaker 3: like Gruden like ch like then it's just like, you know,

2279
01:26:08,640 --> 01:26:09,960
Speaker 3: he could see that in me, and it's like once

2280
01:26:10,000 --> 01:26:12,200
Speaker 3: I start seeing it myself, it was just like, you know,

2281
01:26:12,240 --> 01:26:14,240
Speaker 3: it's like had that connection. But he would have just

2282
01:26:14,280 --> 01:26:15,719
Speaker 3: like a new nickname for me every week.

2283
01:26:15,840 --> 01:26:19,240
Speaker 1: That's why, Yeah, he fires me up man, Like you know,

2284
01:26:19,320 --> 01:26:22,920
Speaker 1: I'm mid year free agent, thirty years old, like note

2285
01:26:23,400 --> 01:26:25,320
Speaker 1: wondering if it might be my last year since I'm

2286
01:26:25,320 --> 01:26:27,040
Speaker 1: a midyear guy, you know what I mean, Like you

2287
01:26:27,120 --> 01:26:28,760
Speaker 1: kind of go through nobody picks you up. I was

2288
01:26:28,760 --> 01:26:31,160
Speaker 1: with the Saints for a second injured my ankle, so

2289
01:26:31,200 --> 01:26:32,960
Speaker 1: I was I had an injury settlement and was kind

2290
01:26:32,960 --> 01:26:36,280
Speaker 1: of working through that tailgating with the bus at Nashville

2291
01:26:36,479 --> 01:26:39,840
Speaker 1: with the Titan Titan Stadium Raiders end up calling and

2292
01:26:39,880 --> 01:26:43,479
Speaker 1: bringing me out there because Jay Gruden probably put in

2293
01:26:43,479 --> 01:26:44,960
Speaker 1: a good word for the boy. Shout out Jay Gruden

2294
01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:47,599
Speaker 1: out there to his brother John. I get out there

2295
01:26:47,640 --> 01:26:50,120
Speaker 1: and John, like coach Cruden, he just immediately kind of

2296
01:26:50,120 --> 01:26:53,400
Speaker 1: fires you up the content. I'm fucking glad you're here. Man.

2297
01:26:53,479 --> 01:26:56,400
Speaker 1: You're gonna love this plot spot way more than anywhere

2298
01:26:56,400 --> 01:26:58,280
Speaker 1: else you've been. And I'm like fired up with my

2299
01:26:58,320 --> 01:27:01,000
Speaker 1: hey uh uh. Brother wanted me to put in a

2300
01:27:01,000 --> 01:27:02,920
Speaker 1: good word. He said he'd intern for you because Jay

2301
01:27:02,960 --> 01:27:06,480
Speaker 1: had just gotten fired from the Redskins, and I'm like, hey, Jap,

2302
01:27:06,520 --> 01:27:07,519
Speaker 1: He's like, hey, you want to know if he can

2303
01:27:07,520 --> 01:27:09,040
Speaker 1: get an intern job out of here with you, like

2304
01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:11,960
Speaker 1: laughing and stuff. But he fires you up, dude, Like

2305
01:27:12,840 --> 01:27:14,640
Speaker 1: I don't know how to explain it, Like he's like

2306
01:27:14,720 --> 01:27:16,040
Speaker 1: speaking greatness into you.

2307
01:27:16,200 --> 01:27:18,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just like people kind of think like because

2308
01:27:18,040 --> 01:27:19,840
Speaker 3: when he came from Monday Night Football, he signed like

2309
01:27:19,840 --> 01:27:23,080
Speaker 3: a like a for a bag, like yeah, and a

2310
01:27:23,200 --> 01:27:23,959
Speaker 3: hundred million.

2311
01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:25,879
Speaker 2: People were just like, you know this just for his profile.

2312
01:27:25,920 --> 01:27:28,320
Speaker 3: It's just like he just doing this so like so

2313
01:27:28,400 --> 01:27:30,280
Speaker 3: his name gets up like he's doing it for himself.

2314
01:27:30,280 --> 01:27:32,240
Speaker 3: But it's like now he really cares, like he really

2315
01:27:32,240 --> 01:27:34,080
Speaker 3: fucking came out there, and he'd be out there in

2316
01:27:34,120 --> 01:27:36,720
Speaker 3: the walkthrough. It's like he has his next sweat, Like

2317
01:27:36,760 --> 01:27:38,840
Speaker 3: he'd just be sweating like in the walkthrough and like

2318
01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:41,080
Speaker 3: coaching and like going through the plays like all the

2319
01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:43,280
Speaker 3: details and it's like you can't do that if you

2320
01:27:43,280 --> 01:27:43,640
Speaker 3: don't care.

2321
01:27:43,760 --> 01:27:45,879
Speaker 1: And he tells his players he loves them all the time.

2322
01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:48,560
Speaker 3: Right, And it's just like he's so invested. It's like

2323
01:27:48,560 --> 01:27:50,479
Speaker 3: like tell a tell a fan that things like he

2324
01:27:50,640 --> 01:27:53,120
Speaker 3: just out here just like just for his own like bravado,

2325
01:27:53,240 --> 01:27:55,599
Speaker 3: Like just come to practice and see like how into.

2326
01:27:55,400 --> 01:27:57,080
Speaker 2: It he is, and you'd be like, oh, this dude cares.

2327
01:27:57,120 --> 01:27:58,920
Speaker 1: Oh he cares. And then you win games and he's

2328
01:27:58,920 --> 01:28:01,200
Speaker 1: out there like in the stands with fans. Yeah. There,

2329
01:28:04,760 --> 01:28:06,439
Speaker 1: Like the first week, the first week I was there

2330
01:28:06,479 --> 01:28:08,479
Speaker 1: because I was I was like thrown into the fire

2331
01:28:08,479 --> 01:28:10,880
Speaker 1: in the first week. He's like hey, it's like I

2332
01:28:10,880 --> 01:28:13,120
Speaker 1: think it was like Friday or Saturday. He's like, hey,

2333
01:28:13,160 --> 01:28:15,040
Speaker 1: you feel good about everything? And I was like yeah.

2334
01:28:15,040 --> 01:28:16,519
Speaker 1: He's like you're getting everything. I was like, yeah, I'll

2335
01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:18,519
Speaker 1: be straight. Something into my mind, like yeah, I can

2336
01:28:18,560 --> 01:28:20,720
Speaker 1: pick I can pick this stuff up. Like honestly, I

2337
01:28:20,760 --> 01:28:22,400
Speaker 1: just need to get out there and play because i'ven't

2338
01:28:22,400 --> 01:28:25,120
Speaker 1: fucking played in a year. Like I haven't. I haven't

2339
01:28:25,160 --> 01:28:28,439
Speaker 1: played a game as a linebacker. I mean I played,

2340
01:28:28,520 --> 01:28:30,479
Speaker 1: I guess in the preseason for a second with the Saints,

2341
01:28:30,479 --> 01:28:32,800
Speaker 1: but I was only there like four fucking days, you

2342
01:28:32,840 --> 01:28:34,680
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But I haven't played in live

2343
01:28:34,760 --> 01:28:37,000
Speaker 1: bullets in like a year. So I just need to

2344
01:28:37,000 --> 01:28:39,320
Speaker 1: get out there and play like I'm starting. It's fucking crazy.

2345
01:28:39,640 --> 01:28:41,720
Speaker 1: And he's like, you don't need to be perfect, man,

2346
01:28:41,800 --> 01:28:44,439
Speaker 1: like just just play fast, like I know you know

2347
01:28:44,479 --> 01:28:46,040
Speaker 1: what you're doing. I'm glad you're here, man. I'm like

2348
01:28:46,600 --> 01:28:48,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm glad i'm here too. He's like, I

2349
01:28:48,280 --> 01:28:53,080
Speaker 1: love you, man, and I just said like thanks, Oh

2350
01:28:53,120 --> 01:28:55,760
Speaker 1: my god. That's we're kind of moving fast. But you know,

2351
01:28:55,840 --> 01:28:58,519
Speaker 1: I love being here too. But he's a study. He

2352
01:28:58,560 --> 01:29:01,479
Speaker 1: really does fucking care, and uh, you know, he fires

2353
01:29:01,479 --> 01:29:04,479
Speaker 1: me up. This fucking podcast fires me up. Yeah, I'm

2354
01:29:04,479 --> 01:29:07,560
Speaker 1: glad you came, bro, thanks for having me. I'm glad. Uh,

2355
01:29:07,880 --> 01:29:10,080
Speaker 1: I'm glad you're doing your music. I'm glad you're fucking

2356
01:29:10,280 --> 01:29:12,479
Speaker 1: what'd you say two and a half you're coming up

2357
01:29:12,479 --> 01:29:14,840
Speaker 1: on three years sober, two and a half years sober.

2358
01:29:14,600 --> 01:29:15,559
Speaker 2: Three years in August.

2359
01:29:15,680 --> 01:29:22,080
Speaker 1: YEP, that fires me up, dude, And man, I fucking

2360
01:29:22,160 --> 01:29:27,200
Speaker 1: root for Darren Waller. You know again, like I didn't know.

2361
01:29:27,680 --> 01:29:29,599
Speaker 1: I didn't know this in depth story about you. I

2362
01:29:29,680 --> 01:29:31,639
Speaker 1: just know what I've seen on fucking YouTube and Hard

2363
01:29:31,720 --> 01:29:34,160
Speaker 1: Knocks for two and a half minutes. It's a real

2364
01:29:34,200 --> 01:29:36,559
Speaker 1: convenient that they got you with your shirt off, working out,

2365
01:29:36,560 --> 01:29:40,799
Speaker 1: really sweating, and that's real convenient of you. Yeah, fucking

2366
01:29:41,160 --> 01:29:46,720
Speaker 1: out there looking shredded, no pause, real fucking convenient. Hey,

2367
01:29:46,720 --> 01:29:48,479
Speaker 1: we're gonna come around the corner. We're really gonna doash

2368
01:29:48,520 --> 01:29:50,360
Speaker 1: you with water and sweat, so just look.

2369
01:29:50,240 --> 01:29:52,840
Speaker 2: Like you're Yeah. I had to.

2370
01:29:53,439 --> 01:29:56,760
Speaker 3: I sprained my ac joint inte training camp, and so

2371
01:29:56,840 --> 01:29:59,519
Speaker 3: there's a few days where I couldn't practice, so I

2372
01:29:59,560 --> 01:30:01,479
Speaker 3: was like trying getting my extra work in and that

2373
01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:03,880
Speaker 3: was later in the day. And then like the way

2374
01:30:03,920 --> 01:30:05,800
Speaker 3: they had their tent set up was like right where

2375
01:30:05,840 --> 01:30:08,120
Speaker 3: the workout area was, and they were just over there

2376
01:30:08,120 --> 01:30:11,000
Speaker 3: sitting down like not doing anything. They saw me working out.

2377
01:30:11,800 --> 01:30:14,439
Speaker 3: I look over they grabbing all this ship, like picking cameras.

2378
01:30:15,040 --> 01:30:16,000
Speaker 3: They had to come over here, and.

2379
01:30:16,320 --> 01:30:19,160
Speaker 1: You just start fucking going up. I was already going,

2380
01:30:20,120 --> 01:30:21,960
Speaker 1: but then you really started to go.

2381
01:30:21,960 --> 01:30:23,720
Speaker 2: On, and I was like, let me just tune people out.

2382
01:30:23,720 --> 01:30:29,599
Speaker 1: Bro. They got that camera, the camera, I was fucking

2383
01:30:29,680 --> 01:30:37,800
Speaker 1: I was watching boy fuck dude, Hey thanks again. Man.

2384
01:30:38,200 --> 01:30:40,439
Speaker 1: Do you do you have Is there any any advice

2385
01:30:40,479 --> 01:30:43,280
Speaker 1: you give people going through anything? Like I think one

2386
01:30:43,520 --> 01:30:45,639
Speaker 1: big takeaway I kind of look at from a lot

2387
01:30:45,640 --> 01:30:49,599
Speaker 1: of this is how much your environment matters. How much

2388
01:30:49,600 --> 01:30:52,280
Speaker 1: who you surround yourself with matters. You know what I mean?

2389
01:30:52,360 --> 01:30:54,000
Speaker 1: Like every story you kind of tell, like in high

2390
01:30:54,040 --> 01:30:57,320
Speaker 1: school or in college, you know, it's thoughts of other people,

2391
01:30:57,320 --> 01:30:59,640
Speaker 1: it's being around certain people, it's trying to put on

2392
01:30:59,680 --> 01:31:02,680
Speaker 1: a front or be cool for people. Like who you

2393
01:31:02,680 --> 01:31:04,600
Speaker 1: surround yourself with and what you surround yourself with. And

2394
01:31:04,640 --> 01:31:06,600
Speaker 1: then you're going to rehab, who you surround yourself with.

2395
01:31:06,640 --> 01:31:09,519
Speaker 1: Their the mentality you kind of surround yourself with when

2396
01:31:09,560 --> 01:31:12,120
Speaker 1: you're working at Sprouts. Then when you come in to

2397
01:31:12,320 --> 01:31:14,200
Speaker 1: the Ravens and you're kind of just locked in and

2398
01:31:14,200 --> 01:31:16,320
Speaker 1: taking advantage of practice squad, and you're kind of isolating

2399
01:31:16,360 --> 01:31:18,880
Speaker 1: yourself and you're focused, you know what I mean, You're

2400
01:31:18,920 --> 01:31:22,360
Speaker 1: not surrounding yourself with bullshit. And uh, then you go

2401
01:31:22,400 --> 01:31:25,880
Speaker 1: to the Raiders, right, and everything is. Honestly, it's been

2402
01:31:26,439 --> 01:31:29,240
Speaker 1: a lot of change in your environment. And I think

2403
01:31:29,240 --> 01:31:30,800
Speaker 1: that's a bit a big thing I take away when

2404
01:31:30,840 --> 01:31:32,439
Speaker 1: I listen to this, because honestly, you're sitting here and

2405
01:31:32,479 --> 01:31:34,360
Speaker 1: you just inspire the fuck out of me with everything

2406
01:31:34,360 --> 01:31:38,559
Speaker 1: you overcame. But do you do you have? I mean

2407
01:31:38,600 --> 01:31:40,799
Speaker 1: I feel like I just dropped a fucking gym, right heah.

2408
01:31:41,479 --> 01:31:44,120
Speaker 1: Do you know do you have like when you sit

2409
01:31:44,160 --> 01:31:46,799
Speaker 1: back and reflect, like if somebody's like out there struggling

2410
01:31:46,960 --> 01:31:48,760
Speaker 1: or who would take advice from you? Do you have

2411
01:31:48,880 --> 01:31:51,360
Speaker 1: like go tos? Maybe I've just stole your go to but.

2412
01:31:52,200 --> 01:31:54,960
Speaker 3: You got to you got to dig deep into yourself

2413
01:31:54,960 --> 01:31:57,800
Speaker 3: and look at everything, like especially the ugly parts, but

2414
01:31:57,880 --> 01:31:59,639
Speaker 3: the good, the good parts and the bad parts too.

2415
01:31:59,720 --> 01:32:02,519
Speaker 3: You got to learn how to forgive yourself because you

2416
01:32:02,520 --> 01:32:04,000
Speaker 3: get let a lot, you let a lot of guilt

2417
01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:06,400
Speaker 3: and shame build up, and it's just like once you

2418
01:32:06,439 --> 01:32:08,519
Speaker 3: do that, it's like, you know, it's hard to do

2419
01:32:08,560 --> 01:32:10,400
Speaker 3: anything right. But once you get to the bottom of

2420
01:32:10,479 --> 01:32:11,960
Speaker 3: all those things, like look all the way back to

2421
01:32:11,960 --> 01:32:14,360
Speaker 3: even your childhood, it's just like there's real adults out here.

2422
01:32:14,320 --> 01:32:16,640
Speaker 3: It's people holding on to things that happened to them

2423
01:32:16,640 --> 01:32:18,360
Speaker 3: when they was five years old, six years old, and

2424
01:32:18,400 --> 01:32:20,880
Speaker 3: it's just like they're still weaponizing it and trying to

2425
01:32:21,000 --> 01:32:23,320
Speaker 3: like they were hurt, so they trying to hurt more people.

2426
01:32:23,360 --> 01:32:25,560
Speaker 3: It's like, get to the bottom of your shit and

2427
01:32:25,600 --> 01:32:27,120
Speaker 3: it's going to be uncomfortable, but it's like once you

2428
01:32:27,200 --> 01:32:29,760
Speaker 3: kind of lock in, it's like you start seeking uncomfortable things.

2429
01:32:29,760 --> 01:32:31,920
Speaker 3: Those are the things that really change you and that

2430
01:32:32,000 --> 01:32:34,320
Speaker 3: really continue to test you. Because if you're not being tested,

2431
01:32:34,360 --> 01:32:37,120
Speaker 3: you're not being you're not straining, like you're not getting

2432
01:32:37,400 --> 01:32:39,120
Speaker 3: like better, Like you're not like they tell you all

2433
01:32:39,120 --> 01:32:40,519
Speaker 3: the time in football, like you gotta work hard to

2434
01:32:40,520 --> 01:32:42,479
Speaker 3: get better. But I mean, like them cliches are true,

2435
01:32:42,520 --> 01:32:44,120
Speaker 3: It's like you really got to test you up and

2436
01:32:44,120 --> 01:32:47,320
Speaker 3: put yourself in uncomfortable situations to have uncomfortable conversations with

2437
01:32:47,360 --> 01:32:49,800
Speaker 3: people regularly. And then it's like you get to the

2438
01:32:49,840 --> 01:32:52,000
Speaker 3: real of life, you see your stuff, and you realize,

2439
01:32:52,160 --> 01:32:53,639
Speaker 3: I'm not the only one dealing with this. I don't

2440
01:32:53,680 --> 01:32:56,640
Speaker 3: have to be selfish with this and act like you

2441
01:32:56,680 --> 01:32:58,799
Speaker 3: don't start hurting people because of it. Like I can

2442
01:32:59,120 --> 01:33:01,160
Speaker 3: like take my own thing, in my own experience and

2443
01:33:01,800 --> 01:33:04,120
Speaker 3: turn it into like my story. Like people, people are

2444
01:33:04,240 --> 01:33:06,679
Speaker 3: more drawn to people that have been through things, no doubt,

2445
01:33:06,840 --> 01:33:09,479
Speaker 3: people that had things handed to them. So like when

2446
01:33:09,479 --> 01:33:11,559
Speaker 3: you do that, you you never know like who you

2447
01:33:11,640 --> 01:33:13,360
Speaker 3: may turn into inspiring. Like it's still hard for me

2448
01:33:13,360 --> 01:33:15,760
Speaker 3: to wrap my mind around like I'm inspiring people because

2449
01:33:15,800 --> 01:33:18,920
Speaker 3: I was like the opposite of inspiration like a few

2450
01:33:18,960 --> 01:33:21,439
Speaker 3: years ago, you know. So it's like once you get

2451
01:33:21,479 --> 01:33:22,960
Speaker 3: to the Bob and like work through all that and

2452
01:33:23,000 --> 01:33:26,080
Speaker 3: see all people that you've hurt and like like really

2453
01:33:26,600 --> 01:33:28,680
Speaker 3: like let that remorse start to stack up, and it's

2454
01:33:28,680 --> 01:33:31,679
Speaker 3: like look at yourself and realize, like, okay, like develop

2455
01:33:31,800 --> 01:33:34,680
Speaker 3: like a spiritual life, like I mean like really like

2456
01:33:34,880 --> 01:33:37,200
Speaker 3: and really let go of like all these selfies things

2457
01:33:37,400 --> 01:33:39,880
Speaker 3: you have Like I mean, I don't really got no gems.

2458
01:33:39,880 --> 01:33:40,360
Speaker 2: It's just like.

2459
01:33:42,280 --> 01:33:47,040
Speaker 3: Smith, like get through everything that, like look at the

2460
01:33:47,200 --> 01:33:49,240
Speaker 3: entire picture, don't just because most people will look at

2461
01:33:49,240 --> 01:33:51,160
Speaker 3: it and be like ooh, like I'm not going there,

2462
01:33:51,240 --> 01:33:53,479
Speaker 3: like I'll talk about everything but this, like you need

2463
01:33:53,520 --> 01:33:54,120
Speaker 3: to talk about that.

2464
01:33:54,160 --> 01:33:57,400
Speaker 1: But this, that's awesome.

2465
01:33:57,439 --> 01:33:57,639
Speaker 2: Man.

2466
01:33:58,800 --> 01:34:02,400
Speaker 1: You're a stud bro here, and I appreciate you sharing

2467
01:34:02,400 --> 01:34:04,120
Speaker 1: your story on here. I don't know where all you've

2468
01:34:04,120 --> 01:34:06,120
Speaker 1: shared your story, if you've or if it's been out

2469
01:34:06,160 --> 01:34:10,280
Speaker 1: there like that, but this is really fucking cool, dude.

2470
01:34:10,320 --> 01:34:13,479
Speaker 1: I appreciate you, appreciate having you got anything before we go?

2471
01:34:14,120 --> 01:34:16,880
Speaker 1: You want to learn anything, any history on the bus, anything.

2472
01:34:18,640 --> 01:34:20,479
Speaker 2: Get me a rundown, bro. I've been looking around.

2473
01:34:21,400 --> 01:34:23,040
Speaker 1: We see all these stickers, right, we gotta put we

2474
01:34:23,120 --> 01:34:26,679
Speaker 1: gotta put more on. But you saw the boys where

2475
01:34:26,720 --> 01:34:29,880
Speaker 1: the boys with barstool. Now, like you're in a pretty

2476
01:34:29,880 --> 01:34:31,000
Speaker 1: big deal of a bus.

2477
01:34:33,960 --> 01:34:37,120
Speaker 2: This wild Yeah, these stickers are real deal.

2478
01:34:37,400 --> 01:34:39,840
Speaker 1: What I mean, I think it's crazy that you want

2479
01:34:39,880 --> 01:34:43,040
Speaker 1: to come on and talk about all this ship Like

2480
01:34:43,120 --> 01:34:43,800
Speaker 1: what you know?

2481
01:34:44,120 --> 01:34:44,679
Speaker 4: I got something?

2482
01:34:44,960 --> 01:34:46,320
Speaker 1: What do you Darren?

2483
01:34:46,680 --> 01:34:48,880
Speaker 4: Do you have anybody in the music industry who like

2484
01:34:49,200 --> 01:34:52,160
Speaker 4: inspired you to like start creating music, or is there

2485
01:34:52,160 --> 01:34:52,760
Speaker 4: somebody that you like.

2486
01:34:53,920 --> 01:34:55,920
Speaker 3: I learned that my great grandfather is a is a

2487
01:34:56,000 --> 01:35:00,120
Speaker 3: jazz legend. Really, Fats Waller is a jazz legend. In

2488
01:35:00,200 --> 01:35:03,320
Speaker 3: it again, fat swallow jazz legend. I got him tatted.

2489
01:35:03,360 --> 01:35:05,720
Speaker 3: I got my skinny jeans on. It's gonna take me

2490
01:35:05,760 --> 01:35:07,559
Speaker 3: fifteen minutes to get these jeans off, but I got

2491
01:35:07,600 --> 01:35:10,360
Speaker 3: tatted on my leg. My great my great grandfather tatted

2492
01:35:10,360 --> 01:35:11,920
Speaker 3: on my leg. But once I kind of learned about

2493
01:35:12,240 --> 01:35:15,120
Speaker 3: his history, it was like it opened my mind up

2494
01:35:15,160 --> 01:35:17,200
Speaker 3: to more music because I was just listening to too

2495
01:35:17,280 --> 01:35:23,000
Speaker 3: straight like ignorant ass rapa. Like when I was a kid,

2496
01:35:23,040 --> 01:35:24,280
Speaker 3: I like rock music, but then it was just like

2497
01:35:24,320 --> 01:35:25,600
Speaker 3: I was around blacks and they was like, bro, what

2498
01:35:25,680 --> 01:35:27,160
Speaker 3: you listening to this rock music for? I was like, all right,

2499
01:35:27,200 --> 01:35:29,200
Speaker 3: I got all off my iPod. I listened to a

2500
01:35:29,240 --> 01:35:31,160
Speaker 3: whole range of ship. But then it was just like

2501
01:35:31,680 --> 01:35:34,160
Speaker 3: once I realized my great grandfather and just how like

2502
01:35:35,240 --> 01:35:37,479
Speaker 3: just offset his music was, and it was just like,

2503
01:35:37,720 --> 01:35:39,960
Speaker 3: all right, I gotta like really start listening to different

2504
01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:41,479
Speaker 3: kinds of music, so open me up to different kinds.

2505
01:35:41,520 --> 01:35:43,240
Speaker 2: And it was like, all right, any music talent in me.

2506
01:35:43,280 --> 01:35:45,680
Speaker 3: I got to maximize like while I'm here, like we

2507
01:35:45,920 --> 01:35:47,760
Speaker 3: got too many days promises, like it'd be a waste

2508
01:35:47,760 --> 01:35:49,080
Speaker 3: because maybe my music could touch people.

2509
01:35:49,120 --> 01:35:50,680
Speaker 2: So it's like, let's like let's get it. Like it

2510
01:35:50,720 --> 01:35:52,720
Speaker 2: makes me feel good too, so like let's let's attack it.

2511
01:35:52,720 --> 01:35:54,200
Speaker 3: So it was like once I learned like the history

2512
01:35:54,240 --> 01:35:56,680
Speaker 3: of my family, it was like, oh yeah, like we

2513
01:35:56,760 --> 01:35:57,960
Speaker 3: finna get Yeah, we gotta go.

2514
01:35:59,160 --> 01:36:01,400
Speaker 1: That's fucking cool. Man. I hope you're I hope you're

2515
01:36:01,400 --> 01:36:02,840
Speaker 1: proud of yourself because you should be.

2516
01:36:03,880 --> 01:36:06,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just trying not to get like complacent and stuff.

2517
01:36:06,439 --> 01:36:08,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I know. It's weird when somebody like tooting

2518
01:36:08,800 --> 01:36:10,200
Speaker 1: your own horn. You're kind of sitting there. You don't

2519
01:36:10,200 --> 01:36:12,880
Speaker 1: know how to like react to it because you're but

2520
01:36:13,000 --> 01:36:15,800
Speaker 1: you've came along. I mean that's a hell of a story.

2521
01:36:15,880 --> 01:36:19,640
Speaker 1: And I'm fucking I'm stoked for you. Man. Hopefully we're

2522
01:36:19,680 --> 01:36:20,559
Speaker 1: teammates again this year.

2523
01:36:20,640 --> 01:36:22,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh yeah, I'm on the table for you.

2524
01:36:22,439 --> 01:36:25,759
Speaker 1: Oh good. Let them know because the boys are free agents,

2525
01:36:25,800 --> 01:36:28,679
Speaker 1: so uh yeah, man, I'll.

2526
01:36:28,479 --> 01:36:29,360
Speaker 2: Take right now.

2527
01:36:29,640 --> 01:36:32,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, Hey, we getting the boy bag. Nah. They were

2528
01:36:32,040 --> 01:36:36,120
Speaker 1: a fan. We had the eggsit meetings were good. You

2529
01:36:36,160 --> 01:36:38,519
Speaker 1: never know you know how that shit works too. I

2530
01:36:38,520 --> 01:36:42,080
Speaker 1: mean I was on the quote unquote the street for

2531
01:36:42,120 --> 01:36:44,680
Speaker 1: a little bit of last year, thirty year old white

2532
01:36:44,680 --> 01:36:46,320
Speaker 1: boy and drafted, So you don't know how people are

2533
01:36:46,360 --> 01:36:50,600
Speaker 1: gonna fucking portray everything, you know what I mean? Like objectively,

2534
01:36:50,640 --> 01:36:53,400
Speaker 1: you're not like, oh, I mean, honestly, everybody's talking about

2535
01:36:53,400 --> 01:36:55,840
Speaker 1: Tom Brady where he's gonna go. I think I'm the

2536
01:36:55,880 --> 01:36:59,439
Speaker 1: biggest story of the off season, Like Where's where's the

2537
01:36:59,439 --> 01:37:02,960
Speaker 1: boy gonna go? Yes, but uh, I hope we are, man,

2538
01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:05,479
Speaker 1: But I'm fired up. I'm at a loss of words.

2539
01:37:05,479 --> 01:37:10,360
Speaker 1: I'm just like rambling because your story is awesome, it's inspiring.

2540
01:37:10,680 --> 01:37:13,920
Speaker 1: I am super grateful you told it all and went

2541
01:37:13,960 --> 01:37:16,120
Speaker 1: that deep with us, or went that deep with me today,

2542
01:37:16,560 --> 01:37:18,720
Speaker 1: and uh, I think you're gonna this is gonna help

2543
01:37:18,760 --> 01:37:22,759
Speaker 1: a lot of people. And I'm just fucking root for you, dude,

2544
01:37:22,960 --> 01:37:25,839
Speaker 1: appreciate you. But uh, you got boys, you got anything.

2545
01:37:26,040 --> 01:37:27,720
Speaker 1: I just keep saying it because I kind of want

2546
01:37:27,800 --> 01:37:30,320
Speaker 1: to like just sit here and talk all damn day

2547
01:37:30,360 --> 01:37:35,040
Speaker 1: long to Darren Waller about his adversities and perseverance. But

2548
01:37:35,920 --> 01:37:37,679
Speaker 1: we should probably roll out of here because it's what's

2549
01:37:37,680 --> 01:37:38,759
Speaker 1: been what an hour and a half.

2550
01:37:38,880 --> 01:37:40,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's been about an hour and a half. But

2551
01:37:40,479 --> 01:37:41,880
Speaker 4: like you said, man, we can go all day.

2552
01:37:41,880 --> 01:37:42,040
Speaker 1: Man.

2553
01:37:42,080 --> 01:37:44,360
Speaker 4: And I appreciate you just opening up too, man, and

2554
01:37:44,439 --> 01:37:46,439
Speaker 4: just I mean, the amount of people that you're probably

2555
01:37:46,439 --> 01:37:49,000
Speaker 4: gonna hampact with this story is just absolutely incredible, man,

2556
01:37:49,080 --> 01:37:50,639
Speaker 4: So appreciate appreciate.

2557
01:37:51,439 --> 01:37:53,080
Speaker 1: Where you staying at in Nashville.

2558
01:37:54,520 --> 01:37:56,440
Speaker 2: I'm at the Higatt House.

2559
01:37:56,760 --> 01:37:59,680
Speaker 1: The spot that's link I shot you. Yeah, shut out,

2560
01:38:00,200 --> 01:38:05,360
Speaker 1: no free shoutouts. What I eat for dinner, I'll tell

2561
01:38:05,400 --> 01:38:08,760
Speaker 1: you what. We got some spots. Who's hey, who who's paying?

2562
01:38:08,760 --> 01:38:12,720
Speaker 1: Anybody paying? I'm just kidding. What are you feeling? Do

2563
01:38:12,760 --> 01:38:15,559
Speaker 1: you have any vibe that you're feeling, because I mean

2564
01:38:15,600 --> 01:38:16,599
Speaker 1: I have a whole list.

2565
01:38:16,720 --> 01:38:16,960
Speaker 2: Man.

2566
01:38:17,720 --> 01:38:19,879
Speaker 1: Uh if it's barbecue.

2567
01:38:19,640 --> 01:38:21,200
Speaker 2: I'm the least piggy eater you ever meet.

2568
01:38:21,560 --> 01:38:24,640
Speaker 1: Are you a like what what type of genre? What

2569
01:38:24,720 --> 01:38:27,080
Speaker 1: type of style of food you like? I'm like twisting

2570
01:38:27,120 --> 01:38:29,040
Speaker 1: the ship out of this. I've never like been like

2571
01:38:29,080 --> 01:38:29,679
Speaker 1: this on a pod.

2572
01:38:29,760 --> 01:38:29,800
Speaker 3: Like.

2573
01:38:29,800 --> 01:38:32,720
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's the caffeine I'm feeling inspired.

2574
01:38:32,800 --> 01:38:33,800
Speaker 1: I don't know what all it.

2575
01:38:33,840 --> 01:38:36,479
Speaker 3: Isn't I don't know what food I don't like bro

2576
01:38:36,640 --> 01:38:37,600
Speaker 3: like that ass.

2577
01:38:38,000 --> 01:38:40,040
Speaker 1: Well, you got to give me something because I can

2578
01:38:40,040 --> 01:38:42,280
Speaker 1: point you in a direction. I'm telling you, Nashville's got

2579
01:38:42,320 --> 01:38:44,679
Speaker 1: a lot of food, a lot of bad food, some

2580
01:38:44,720 --> 01:38:47,240
Speaker 1: good food out there. If you want something healthy, true

2581
01:38:47,240 --> 01:38:50,000
Speaker 1: food kitchen, no free shoutouts, but true food kitchens.

2582
01:38:49,760 --> 01:38:52,599
Speaker 2: Or true food I've been here, yeah, oh yeah, I've been.

2583
01:38:52,520 --> 01:38:54,240
Speaker 1: To that one when we went to uh when we

2584
01:38:54,360 --> 01:38:56,400
Speaker 1: went to play the Falcons, Me and the boys ate it.

2585
01:38:56,400 --> 01:38:58,519
Speaker 1: True food kitchen again, no free shout out, True food kitchen.

2586
01:39:00,080 --> 01:39:04,000
Speaker 1: Good food there. Obviously, you can eat healthy if you

2587
01:39:04,000 --> 01:39:06,000
Speaker 1: want to indulge in some barbecue, or you can eat

2588
01:39:06,040 --> 01:39:07,719
Speaker 1: healthy and barbecue, you just don't dip in the sauce,

2589
01:39:08,439 --> 01:39:12,320
Speaker 1: and you can get gluten freeze. You're right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

2590
01:39:12,320 --> 01:39:15,120
Speaker 1: I forget like it takes it takes a lot of

2591
01:39:15,120 --> 01:39:17,160
Speaker 1: work to look this average for me, but I know

2592
01:39:17,280 --> 01:39:23,679
Speaker 1: for you, like you can have tomorrow anyway, what's up? Yeah,

2593
01:39:23,720 --> 01:39:26,600
Speaker 1: I know right, I love that undertaker Shirre by the way,

2594
01:39:26,920 --> 01:39:29,840
Speaker 1: But if you want to indulge, you got Nashville is

2595
01:39:29,840 --> 01:39:32,439
Speaker 1: known for hot chicken, so you could go to.

2596
01:39:32,760 --> 01:39:33,800
Speaker 2: Hat hot is it?

2597
01:39:33,880 --> 01:39:37,360
Speaker 3: Because I'm like my spice tars has increased, but I'm

2598
01:39:37,400 --> 01:39:38,360
Speaker 3: still not There's.

2599
01:39:38,200 --> 01:39:40,880
Speaker 1: Different levels, there's different levels, and it's it's not that

2600
01:39:41,600 --> 01:39:44,559
Speaker 1: overwhelming either. You got Hattie Bees, which is the touristy spot,

2601
01:39:44,640 --> 01:39:47,920
Speaker 1: No free shadouts Hatty Bees. You got what is it,

2602
01:39:47,960 --> 01:39:50,400
Speaker 1: Princess Chicken. I've heard a lot of ribs about that.

2603
01:39:50,479 --> 01:39:53,479
Speaker 1: Never eating there, but people say Princess Chicken. It's kind

2604
01:39:53,520 --> 01:39:55,599
Speaker 1: of like, Okay, you go to Hattie Bees, it's touristy.

2605
01:39:55,640 --> 01:39:58,880
Speaker 1: But if there's also Princess, no free shoutouts? Again, what

2606
01:39:58,960 --> 01:40:01,080
Speaker 1: else we got? You want to go and sit down

2607
01:40:01,160 --> 01:40:02,280
Speaker 1: and listen to live music?

2608
01:40:02,760 --> 01:40:03,760
Speaker 2: That fire.

2609
01:40:04,960 --> 01:40:06,640
Speaker 1: There's some good music around here. Man. We were at

2610
01:40:06,680 --> 01:40:11,160
Speaker 1: Acme feeding Seed last night. No free shoutouts at me

2611
01:40:11,200 --> 01:40:11,719
Speaker 1: feeding Seed.

2612
01:40:11,800 --> 01:40:13,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, they got killer sushi there.

2613
01:40:13,280 --> 01:40:15,040
Speaker 1: Killer Yeah. They got sushi on the you'll go up

2614
01:40:15,080 --> 01:40:16,960
Speaker 1: to the second floor and you can order sushi on

2615
01:40:16,960 --> 01:40:18,720
Speaker 1: that floor. But if you on the first floor, it's

2616
01:40:18,800 --> 01:40:20,840
Speaker 1: kind of a walk up register menu. You order like

2617
01:40:20,880 --> 01:40:22,400
Speaker 1: you can get a hot chicken there. You can get

2618
01:40:22,560 --> 01:40:24,120
Speaker 1: a bunch of different dishes there, and you go and

2619
01:40:24,160 --> 01:40:25,640
Speaker 1: sit and the music is on the first floor. They

2620
01:40:25,680 --> 01:40:29,480
Speaker 1: usually have a band playing the stillery. Either in downtown

2621
01:40:29,640 --> 01:40:34,120
Speaker 1: or Midtown, no free shoutouts. Distillery. Uh, if you want barbecue,

2622
01:40:34,240 --> 01:40:36,759
Speaker 1: if you just want to eat barbecue, some solid barbecue

2623
01:40:36,800 --> 01:40:39,920
Speaker 1: out here. You got ed Lea's, ed Ley's Barbecue, no

2624
01:40:40,000 --> 01:40:44,800
Speaker 1: free shout outs ed Lea's exactly. We can't. We can't.

2625
01:40:44,840 --> 01:40:47,679
Speaker 1: Fucking we don't play about these free shoutouts. We shout

2626
01:40:47,680 --> 01:40:50,800
Speaker 1: out the boys for free. But these other spots, no

2627
01:40:50,840 --> 01:40:52,640
Speaker 1: free shoutouts, even though we haven't gotten anything from them.

2628
01:40:52,680 --> 01:40:57,400
Speaker 1: But no free shoutouts. Uh, you got Martin's Barbecue, no

2629
01:40:57,479 --> 01:41:01,960
Speaker 1: free shoutouts. That's very good, Barnes, or at least can

2630
01:41:02,000 --> 01:41:03,280
Speaker 1: you recite what I've been telling you?

2631
01:41:03,920 --> 01:41:07,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, what has stood out? I'm loving the band.

2632
01:41:07,840 --> 01:41:10,479
Speaker 2: It's the ACD.

2633
01:41:10,680 --> 01:41:17,400
Speaker 1: No ackemy feed and seat that's on the corner. That's

2634
01:41:17,439 --> 01:41:20,120
Speaker 1: on the corner of Broadway Broadway. You can walk them down.

2635
01:41:20,160 --> 01:41:22,160
Speaker 1: A lot of live music, but a lot of action.

2636
01:41:22,320 --> 01:41:24,000
Speaker 1: I don't know how much you want to surround yourself

2637
01:41:24,040 --> 01:41:26,080
Speaker 1: with action. I don't know, Like I'm just I'm just

2638
01:41:26,080 --> 01:41:28,760
Speaker 1: trying to be for the boy. But it's live, it's

2639
01:41:28,800 --> 01:41:32,360
Speaker 1: lit up. There's bands playing all down Broadway. There's there's

2640
01:41:32,400 --> 01:41:36,040
Speaker 1: probably music in Midtown. But again, like a lot of

2641
01:41:36,040 --> 01:41:38,439
Speaker 1: people go out there. Broadway is a very touristy street.

2642
01:41:38,880 --> 01:41:40,960
Speaker 1: I only go out there rarely just because it's like,

2643
01:41:41,640 --> 01:41:43,240
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I would assume it's like,

2644
01:41:43,400 --> 01:41:45,360
Speaker 1: I mean, you're gonna live in around Vegas. I would

2645
01:41:45,360 --> 01:41:47,680
Speaker 1: assume it's like being in Vegas and everybody wanted to

2646
01:41:47,680 --> 01:41:49,160
Speaker 1: go on the Strip, but all the locals are like,

2647
01:41:49,240 --> 01:41:51,040
Speaker 1: I don't really fuck with the strip to go to

2648
01:41:51,080 --> 01:41:55,200
Speaker 1: the locals don't necessarily always mess with Broadway because loud, right,

2649
01:41:56,280 --> 01:41:57,880
Speaker 1: But you can find a lot of good live music.

2650
01:41:57,960 --> 01:41:59,600
Speaker 1: I'll send you some links after this too, because I

2651
01:41:59,600 --> 01:42:02,760
Speaker 1: gave a lot of I gave. I didn't give a

2652
01:42:02,800 --> 01:42:04,519
Speaker 1: lot of free shout outs, but I gave a lot

2653
01:42:04,520 --> 01:42:09,719
Speaker 1: of shoutouts. But those are the spots. Am I missing

2654
01:42:09,720 --> 01:42:11,840
Speaker 1: anything missing anybody?

2655
01:42:12,400 --> 01:42:12,559
Speaker 2: Those?

2656
01:42:12,560 --> 01:42:14,479
Speaker 1: A's some good spots right there, good local spots that

2657
01:42:14,560 --> 01:42:17,280
Speaker 1: I I like to go and indulge in. But hey,

2658
01:42:17,320 --> 01:42:20,439
Speaker 1: that's all we got. Man, fucking love this podcast. I

2659
01:42:20,479 --> 01:42:24,040
Speaker 1: think it's number fucking one solid, But you're the man.

2660
01:42:24,080 --> 01:42:27,599
Speaker 1: What's up? Bloss Absolutely number one? Hold one. I thought

2661
01:42:27,640 --> 01:42:28,880
Speaker 1: we might have had to do something, but hey, I

2662
01:42:28,880 --> 01:42:30,800
Speaker 1: appreciate he I fucking appreciate you.

2663
01:42:30,880 --> 01:42:31,200
Speaker 2: Thank you.

2664
01:42:31,479 --> 01:42:34,759
Speaker 1: Thank you for opening it up. Man, Darren Waller, fucking

2665
01:42:34,840 --> 01:42:37,160
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl this year, I'm calling it. We're gonna sell

2666
01:42:37,200 --> 01:42:38,840
Speaker 1: out for you, so you don't got to worry about

2667
01:42:38,840 --> 01:42:41,280
Speaker 1: that on Twitter. We got your presence on Twitter, but

2668
01:42:41,320 --> 01:42:43,400
Speaker 1: we got you man. Hey, Oh and where are you

2669
01:42:43,479 --> 01:42:45,040
Speaker 1: out on Instagram? Where can people follow you?

2670
01:42:45,680 --> 01:42:48,759
Speaker 2: It's Rack Wall with two k's r A c kk

2671
01:42:49,040 --> 01:42:49,840
Speaker 2: wall w A.

2672
01:42:49,960 --> 01:42:53,640
Speaker 1: L L hang on, slow that down r A c kk.

2673
01:42:54,320 --> 01:42:57,439
Speaker 2: Rack with two k's and Wall Rack.

2674
01:42:57,320 --> 01:42:59,800
Speaker 1: Wall r A c kk w A l L.

2675
01:43:00,080 --> 01:43:02,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got that from Racking Willey. You've seen Rack

2676
01:43:02,240 --> 01:43:04,240
Speaker 3: and Wielly on YouTube. No, I have not look that up.

2677
01:43:04,760 --> 01:43:06,680
Speaker 1: But you're gonna have your own YouTube channel. Do you

2678
01:43:06,680 --> 01:43:08,680
Speaker 1: know what it's gonna be called? Because here's where you

2679
01:43:08,680 --> 01:43:11,680
Speaker 1: plug your ship. Talk about Apple Music and Spotify. What

2680
01:43:11,680 --> 01:43:13,120
Speaker 1: do you look up again? If you want to search

2681
01:43:13,120 --> 01:43:16,639
Speaker 1: your music, look up D Wall D Space Wall. First

2682
01:43:16,640 --> 01:43:20,120
Speaker 1: project was called better Call Wall like Better Call Saul Love.

2683
01:43:20,880 --> 01:43:23,720
Speaker 1: Then the second project is Wall Street. Wall Street is

2684
01:43:23,760 --> 01:43:26,639
Speaker 1: the newest one. Wall Street got any kind of mood?

2685
01:43:26,720 --> 01:43:27,960
Speaker 2: Damn? Is that the ab rap video?

2686
01:43:28,360 --> 01:43:28,559
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2687
01:43:29,080 --> 01:43:32,040
Speaker 4: Funk I wanted, I wanted. I wanted to ask you

2688
01:43:32,080 --> 01:43:32,360
Speaker 4: about it.

2689
01:43:32,360 --> 01:43:34,120
Speaker 1: And I want to go yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, before

2690
01:43:34,120 --> 01:43:35,400
Speaker 1: we go. What was it like with Ab?

2691
01:43:36,760 --> 01:43:38,880
Speaker 3: I mean Ab, I mean AB was me and him

2692
01:43:38,880 --> 01:43:41,240
Speaker 3: at locker We were locker mats in the spring, and

2693
01:43:41,560 --> 01:43:44,559
Speaker 3: I mean any conversation I had with AB was like

2694
01:43:44,680 --> 01:43:47,760
Speaker 3: real you know, yeah, So, I mean I appreciate AB.

2695
01:43:48,400 --> 01:43:50,320
Speaker 3: I don't know exactly to the extent of what he's

2696
01:43:50,360 --> 01:43:52,640
Speaker 3: going through. Only thing I have to say is I

2697
01:43:52,680 --> 01:43:56,719
Speaker 3: just hope he addresses everything, like full spectrum and whatever

2698
01:43:56,960 --> 01:43:59,479
Speaker 3: help he needs, whatever wherever he needs to go to,

2699
01:43:59,720 --> 01:44:01,680
Speaker 3: you know, really address those things. I hope he does

2700
01:44:01,720 --> 01:44:04,080
Speaker 3: that because it's like, you know, looking back on my story,

2701
01:44:04,120 --> 01:44:05,559
Speaker 3: who am I to say that people can't get over

2702
01:44:05,600 --> 01:44:07,400
Speaker 3: their stuff and then take their life to hold other level?

2703
01:44:07,400 --> 01:44:09,640
Speaker 3: Because you see what level his life was on, you know,

2704
01:44:09,680 --> 01:44:11,160
Speaker 3: before things started happening.

2705
01:44:11,520 --> 01:44:15,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you saw a legitimate peak rise of

2706
01:44:15,160 --> 01:44:19,400
Speaker 1: somebody just to fall and not necessarily rock bottom, but

2707
01:44:19,680 --> 01:44:23,080
Speaker 1: a rise and fall all within one year, all within months, honestly.

2708
01:44:23,240 --> 01:44:23,559
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2709
01:44:23,600 --> 01:44:25,120
Speaker 3: So I'm one of them people that's like people look

2710
01:44:25,160 --> 01:44:27,120
Speaker 3: at AB and it's like, damn AB doing this, damn

2711
01:44:27,160 --> 01:44:29,640
Speaker 3: AB doing that. Fucking wrong with AB, I'm looking at

2712
01:44:29,680 --> 01:44:32,080
Speaker 3: a B like I'm trying to understand, Like I'm not

2713
01:44:32,120 --> 01:44:33,720
Speaker 3: from a place of condemning. I try to understand just

2714
01:44:33,720 --> 01:44:35,880
Speaker 3: because of I've been through caause I know people like

2715
01:44:36,160 --> 01:44:39,000
Speaker 3: this dude's junkie drug at it like just throwing stones.

2716
01:44:39,040 --> 01:44:41,719
Speaker 3: But it's like, who was really taking the time to understand,

2717
01:44:41,840 --> 01:44:44,040
Speaker 3: Like I'm trying to understand AB. So if I would

2718
01:44:44,080 --> 01:44:46,000
Speaker 3: have talked to AB, I'm not coming in with no expectation,

2719
01:44:46,080 --> 01:44:47,400
Speaker 3: no kind of judgment, Like I just want to talk

2720
01:44:47,439 --> 01:44:48,720
Speaker 3: to a b and like so he can get things

2721
01:44:48,720 --> 01:44:50,400
Speaker 3: off his chest, because I feel like it may not

2722
01:44:50,439 --> 01:44:52,479
Speaker 3: be a lot around people around AB where he can

2723
01:44:52,520 --> 01:44:54,000
Speaker 3: have real deal conversations.

2724
01:44:54,360 --> 01:44:58,160
Speaker 1: That's I mean just from a I'm a pure I'm

2725
01:44:58,160 --> 01:45:01,559
Speaker 1: the purest outsider there can be. I don't know, but

2726
01:45:01,640 --> 01:45:03,960
Speaker 1: you just feel like there's a lot of probably yes

2727
01:45:04,040 --> 01:45:07,360
Speaker 1: men around him. I mean you and know more than me.

2728
01:45:07,439 --> 01:45:10,479
Speaker 1: But when you're saying that, it's like, hopefully he has

2729
01:45:10,560 --> 01:45:13,880
Speaker 1: somebody around and you know, sort of check him or

2730
01:45:13,920 --> 01:45:16,160
Speaker 1: like have conversations to try to get to the root

2731
01:45:16,200 --> 01:45:18,800
Speaker 1: of like what's going on. But as a pure outsider,

2732
01:45:19,200 --> 01:45:21,439
Speaker 1: it is it's like you feel like he's surrounded by

2733
01:45:21,479 --> 01:45:24,439
Speaker 1: a lot of yes men. And he needs to do

2734
01:45:24,479 --> 01:45:28,599
Speaker 1: something different. Yeah, and that's me talking from no experience. Right,

2735
01:45:28,720 --> 01:45:31,559
Speaker 1: you're somebody who can You said you were lockermates with him,

2736
01:45:31,600 --> 01:45:34,240
Speaker 1: you were around him. You saw the crew that would

2737
01:45:34,280 --> 01:45:36,800
Speaker 1: try being on the Raiders, guy said he would try

2738
01:45:36,800 --> 01:45:38,840
Speaker 1: and come in the locker room with like his crew

2739
01:45:38,960 --> 01:45:42,200
Speaker 1: or being around workouts, and it's kind of like doing

2740
01:45:42,240 --> 01:45:45,559
Speaker 1: too much. But also you're an alien, meaning he's a superstar,

2741
01:45:45,680 --> 01:45:47,240
Speaker 1: so you got to kind of let stuff happen. But

2742
01:45:47,280 --> 01:45:48,720
Speaker 1: then it's like, hey, I.

2743
01:45:48,640 --> 01:45:51,240
Speaker 3: Think if he were to get into a I mean,

2744
01:45:51,400 --> 01:45:52,479
Speaker 3: like I said, I don't know what's going on in

2745
01:45:52,800 --> 01:45:54,599
Speaker 3: his life, but if he gets into a rehab environment,

2746
01:45:54,760 --> 01:45:56,720
Speaker 3: his work ethic really is crazy, like I seen it.

2747
01:45:56,720 --> 01:45:58,919
Speaker 3: So if he gets into environment where he's working on himself,

2748
01:45:59,160 --> 01:46:01,200
Speaker 3: I feel like his work ethic will come back out again.

2749
01:46:01,360 --> 01:46:03,080
Speaker 3: He can really like when he starts working on himself,

2750
01:46:03,320 --> 01:46:05,559
Speaker 3: that football work ethic will translate and then that will

2751
01:46:05,560 --> 01:46:07,280
Speaker 3: come back on the field. And then like once he

2752
01:46:07,760 --> 01:46:09,800
Speaker 3: deals with those things, like he won't even really have

2753
01:46:09,880 --> 01:46:12,679
Speaker 3: to go out his way to mend relationships with people

2754
01:46:12,680 --> 01:46:14,400
Speaker 3: and do like the apology things that he's doing, Like

2755
01:46:14,439 --> 01:46:16,920
Speaker 3: his actions will show for it and just because he's

2756
01:46:16,920 --> 01:46:18,759
Speaker 3: like he has a change in him on the inside

2757
01:46:18,800 --> 01:46:21,160
Speaker 3: because something has to change. And it's like I feel

2758
01:46:21,200 --> 01:46:22,439
Speaker 3: like if he gets if he gets to a point

2759
01:46:22,439 --> 01:46:24,400
Speaker 3: where he's like he locks in, he knows he has

2760
01:46:24,439 --> 01:46:26,880
Speaker 3: work to do on himself, I felt he could do

2761
01:46:26,920 --> 01:46:27,840
Speaker 3: whatever he wants.

2762
01:46:28,240 --> 01:46:31,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's real the good reminder blast because we had

2763
01:46:31,760 --> 01:46:33,760
Speaker 1: alec Engold on here too, and I forgot to ask

2764
01:46:33,840 --> 01:46:36,080
Speaker 1: him about AB and he was talking to me about

2765
01:46:36,120 --> 01:46:39,479
Speaker 1: him afterwards, but kind of like the same stuff. It's

2766
01:46:39,560 --> 01:46:41,280
Speaker 1: kind of like, hey, it's all happening. He's a good dude.

2767
01:46:41,320 --> 01:46:44,000
Speaker 1: He's an awesome like yeah dude in person and teammate

2768
01:46:44,000 --> 01:46:46,479
Speaker 1: and stuff, and it's just like there's just constant drama

2769
01:46:46,520 --> 01:46:50,040
Speaker 1: and addressing and you know, apologizing in front of the team,

2770
01:46:50,200 --> 01:46:52,639
Speaker 1: and then it goes to like another action says something

2771
01:46:52,680 --> 01:46:55,080
Speaker 1: completely different. Everybody's just kind of like, you know, what

2772
01:46:55,080 --> 01:46:55,920
Speaker 1: the fuck is going on?

2773
01:46:56,120 --> 01:46:57,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, I see that, And it's just like I can't

2774
01:46:57,600 --> 01:47:00,000
Speaker 3: even if I'm talking about AB. I'm a bigges hypocrie

2775
01:47:00,040 --> 01:47:01,400
Speaker 3: in the world because I was up like I told

2776
01:47:01,400 --> 01:47:03,720
Speaker 3: you about the combine, like just line the people straight up,

2777
01:47:03,720 --> 01:47:05,720
Speaker 3: and it's just like, yeah, no, I can't. I can't

2778
01:47:05,760 --> 01:47:07,479
Speaker 3: say nothing bad by AB. I just hope A B

2779
01:47:07,680 --> 01:47:09,799
Speaker 3: does what he did needs to do for himself, because

2780
01:47:10,320 --> 01:47:11,479
Speaker 3: you know, if he does what he needs to do

2781
01:47:11,600 --> 01:47:13,880
Speaker 3: to get back into the game of football, the game

2782
01:47:13,920 --> 01:47:15,479
Speaker 3: of football is going to end, and like you got

2783
01:47:15,520 --> 01:47:16,080
Speaker 3: sixty more.

2784
01:47:16,000 --> 01:47:16,479
Speaker 2: Years to live.

2785
01:47:16,520 --> 01:47:17,439
Speaker 1: It's like no question.

2786
01:47:17,640 --> 01:47:19,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I feel like helped me with football

2787
01:47:19,120 --> 01:47:22,040
Speaker 3: because like I did all that stuff to like really

2788
01:47:22,040 --> 01:47:23,920
Speaker 3: focus on me, like I didn't really want to play

2789
01:47:23,920 --> 01:47:24,960
Speaker 3: for a while, and then it's like.

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Speaker 2: Now I'm here.

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Speaker 3: It's like an added bonus to be playing football because

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Speaker 3: it's like if you do it for you, like then

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Speaker 3: everything else like that's supposed to come to you in

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Speaker 3: your life is gonna come to you.

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Speaker 2: So man, shout out to ab.

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Speaker 1: Bro shout out ab Free shout outs. He's a boy,

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Speaker 1: all right, We're good man, drop the hook. Love you guys,

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Speaker 1: a subscribe rate review lead fun of reviews, follow us

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Speaker 1: busting WTB. We have a YouTube channel buzzing with the Boys.

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Speaker 1: Uh yeah, share it screw from the top of Mountain.

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Speaker 1: We love you big hugs, Huney kisses the Boys.