1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Welcome back in Clay Travis, Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 1: of you hanging out with us. I'm in solo with 3 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: you as we await the arrival of baby Sexton, Buck 4 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 1: and Carry. I will update you as things progress there. 5 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:18,479 Speaker 1: They did not go in last night, They have gone 6 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 1: in today, and we will let you know when we 7 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: get some results there. News that is out there inflation 8 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 1: softening down to two point four percent, the lowest rate 9 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 1: in four years. Prices actually went down point one percent 10 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:39,599 Speaker 1: since the last reading. Trump has raised tariffs to one 11 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: hundred and forty five percent on China. And we have 12 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: a budget resolution that has passed the House two sixteen 13 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 1: to two fourteen, which will lead to a tax cut, 14 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: the Big Beautiful Bill as Trump is calling it. Also, 15 00:00:55,720 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: we'll add more for border security, many different moving parts. 16 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 1: Their stock market back down today after one of the 17 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: biggest days in the history of stock market rallies yesterday. 18 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:12,039 Speaker 1: We will dive into that a bit more. But we 19 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: bring on now. We've been decided Buck and I did 20 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 1: a while back. As the tariff process has played itself out, 21 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 1: let's bring on people with strong economic backgrounds to talk 22 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 1: with all of you. Yesterday we had our laugher on 23 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:28,839 Speaker 1: at the same time. Today we have on Stephen Moore, 24 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:33,839 Speaker 1: President Trump's former senior economic advisor. He is right now 25 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: the co founder of Committee to Unleash Prosperity, and we 26 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:41,680 Speaker 1: bring him in now and Steve and I appreciate you 27 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 1: making the time for us. You've been on. It's been 28 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: a couple of years since you were on with us 29 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: last What do you think from an economic perspective, the 30 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 1: millions of people listening to us right right now should 31 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: know about what President Trump is doing and its impact. 32 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 2: Well, Kuai, thanks so much for having me. And by 33 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 2: the way, how cool is that you had a laugher 34 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 2: on the most famous autonomists in the world yesterday. That's 35 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:10,959 Speaker 2: pretty cool. And I have to say that he and 36 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:12,920 Speaker 2: I wrote a piece in the Wall Street Journal on 37 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 2: Tuesday urging Trump to, you know, let's just offer these 38 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 2: countries zero terrorists and see if you know they'll lower 39 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 2: their terrasts zero, we'd lower ours. And I think that 40 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 2: was the impetus for Trump putting this proposal on the table, 41 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 2: which I thought was fantastic. That you're right, yesterday was 42 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 2: the biggest point increase in the doub jones in the 43 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 2: history of the stock market. Now it's down today, but 44 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:41,679 Speaker 2: it's not down nearly as much as it was up yesterday. 45 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 2: And then look, this is going to be a top 46 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:46,360 Speaker 2: sea Turby market for the next number of months until 47 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 2: we get this settled. But I got to tell you, 48 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 2: having worked with Donald Trump and seen him in action, 49 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 2: up front and personal, this guy is three steps ahead 50 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 2: of everybody else on the chess board. He is a 51 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:01,079 Speaker 2: master negotiator. He knows what he's doing. And in the end, 52 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 2: I think from my first advice to people, just now 53 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:07,359 Speaker 2: would be a terrible time to sell. You never want 54 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 2: to sell, you know, when stocks have been falling. That's 55 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 2: violating the first rule of stock convesting. You want to 56 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 2: buy low and sell high. But sometimes people get panicked. No, 57 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 2: that's number one. Number two. I believe what Trump is 58 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 2: trying to do from an economics standpoint is his strategy 59 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 2: is to isolate the bad actor the new Soviet Union 60 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 2: of the world, and that is China. China is a 61 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 2: country that is a national security and economic security threat 62 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 2: to the United States is I think they are to 63 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 2: the free world. And so what he's trying to do, 64 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 2: I think is unite the rest of the world against China, 65 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 2: a kind of decouple from them because because they are 66 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 2: such a threat, and I think that strategy can work. 67 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 2: But we're going to find out. We're going to really 68 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 2: see whether or who are friends and allies I are 69 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 2: and who are our enemies? Will Where will Europe be? 70 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 2: Will they stand with us? What about Britain? Will they 71 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 2: stand with us? What about Japan? What about Canada? We 72 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 2: need to unite. Trump is the guy to do it. 73 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:17,719 Speaker 2: But we'll see. 74 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 1: Okay, so let's dive into this. You mentioned people who 75 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: own stocks right now, which is a huge percentage, Yeah, 76 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: huge percentage of our audience out there, either in pensions 77 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 1: for oh one k's or people buying it and selling 78 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: individual stocks. What would you tell people who are nervous, apprehensive, 79 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 1: maybe pay attention to stock prices only when they're really 80 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: kind of popping in one way or the other. How 81 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: should they handle emotional reactions to valuations on the stock 82 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: market from your perspective as a highly trained, highly successful economist. 83 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,479 Speaker 2: Well, I'm an economist. I'm not a financial analyst, and 84 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 2: sometimes sometimes it kind of are not great stock pickers. 85 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 2: Of the great greatest economists who ever lived was Milton Friedman, 86 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 2: and he was terrible. It's not investing. 87 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 3: So yeah, I'll say that as a prelude to But 88 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 3: the advice I'm going to give to your listeners is 89 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 3: really pretty straightforward, and I think almost every financial honest 90 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:19,039 Speaker 3: would agree with me. 91 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 2: It's called stops for the long run. So in other words, 92 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 2: if you're investing for you know, for it returns five 93 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 2: years from now, ten years from now, twenty years from now, 94 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 2: depending on what your age is, you want to be 95 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:33,839 Speaker 2: in the American stock market, it goes up. It goes up. 96 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 2: Now that doesn't mean that you get these kind of downturns, 97 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 2: but the real way of return of the US stock 98 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 2: market since the New York Stock Exchange opened its stores, 99 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 2: it is like seven percent. So what I'm saying is, 100 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 2: if you don't have to take your money out, if 101 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 2: you're not cash squeezed right now, keep it in the 102 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 2: market because it's going to do well over time. And 103 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 2: again I'm not saying a year from now, maybe you're 104 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 2: from now, maybe a little bit lower. What I'm saying 105 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 2: is I feel very very strongly that three years from now, 106 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:04,720 Speaker 2: five years from now, you're going to get a nice 107 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:07,599 Speaker 2: return on your money. And if anything, I'd be buying 108 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 2: stock right now, not selling it. 109 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 1: Okay, let's go into China in particular, because this is 110 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 1: obviously now the focus based on the way the President 111 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:20,040 Speaker 1: has responded with yesterday's news, he really has isolated China. 112 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: Tariffs up now to one hundred and forty five percent 113 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: on China. From your perspective, what does a fair economic 114 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 1: deal with China look like? 115 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 2: Well, China cheats, They steal, They steal our intellectual property, 116 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 2: they steal our patents. It is a very predatory nation. 117 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 2: So I think we have to be very tough with China. 118 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:46,280 Speaker 2: And and by the way, you're talking to a guy 119 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 2: who's a free trader. You know, I like free trade. 120 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 2: I'm not a big fan of tariffs. I agree with 121 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:53,919 Speaker 2: eighty percent of what Trump is doing. I'm not a 122 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:57,239 Speaker 2: huge fan of Terrast's the only thing I would fault 123 00:06:57,279 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 2: Trump on is that I think we should you know, 124 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 2: why is he going after Canada and some of our allies. 125 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 2: We really have to focus on Chinea and that's I 126 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 2: think that's where he is right now. So that's that's 127 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 2: the issue. I mean, come on, China is on the 128 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 2: verge of possibly invading Taiwan, they're building up their military 129 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 2: in a very aggressive way. They don't. They're tariffs are 130 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 2: three to four times higher than ours are. And I 131 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 2: want to make sure that your listeners understand this. You know, 132 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 2: I do a lot of I'm doing like the BBC, 133 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 2: I do a lot of like media in like Europe 134 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 2: and Japan. You know, they're interested what Trump's going to do, 135 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 2: and they're so self and they're self righteous, and they're 136 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 2: they're like, why is Trump doing this? He's starting starting 137 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 2: a trade war? And I said, wait a minute, what 138 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 2: are people talking about. We have the lowest tariffs in 139 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 2: the world. They're terrorists are higher than ours, So how 140 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 2: can they say we're starting a trade war. 141 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: No, it's a fantastic question when we've been asking on 142 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 1: this program for some time. Okay, so you in general 143 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: are a free trader. Is a tension and it certainly 144 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: has been I think exposed to some degree between say 145 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 1: Elon Musk, who is more of a free trader than not, 146 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: and Peter Navarro, who is very much not a free trader. 147 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 1: So here is the challenge, so far as I can 148 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: see it is you kind of have a schism. For 149 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 1: lack of a better way to describe it. What Trump 150 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 1: is advocating for, on one hand is free trade, and 151 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 1: yesterday talking with Art Laugher, I said, free trade with 152 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: Europe can make sense. Japan, South Korea so called good actors. Right, 153 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 1: for lack of a better way to describe it, Then 154 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,319 Speaker 1: there are I think it's fair to say bad actors 155 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: in China would be the most prominent and powerful among them. 156 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 1: How do you balance the free trade perspectives with a 157 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: country that is not committed to free trade and end 158 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: up with a deal that makes sense across the board 159 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:49,559 Speaker 1: from your perspective. 160 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,319 Speaker 2: Well, that's a great question, and I'm going to give 161 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 2: you a kind of historical parallel. You know, in the 162 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 2: nineteen thirties, you know, we were a pretty free trade 163 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 2: country and we were trading Japan. You know, we almost 164 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 2: literally sold them the lead and the steel that they 165 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 2: used for the bombs that they dropped on Pearl Harbor. 166 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 2: So that was kind of a dumb thing to do. 167 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 2: And so do we really want to do that again 168 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 2: with China? I say no, I think we need to 169 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 2: really be very cautious about China. I also like, and 170 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:22,959 Speaker 2: by the way, Trump has changed my mind a little 171 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:25,079 Speaker 2: bit on this stuff. Because I've watched him in action. 172 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 2: I used to be like a unilateral free trader, we 173 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 2: should have low terrace, no matter what other countries do. 174 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 2: I no longer believe that. I think Trump is right 175 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 2: that look, I like this idea of reciprocity. If you're 176 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 2: going to hit up, if you're going to hit us 177 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 2: in the nose with a twenty percent urrap, you know what, 178 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 2: We're going to hit you in the nose. And if 179 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 2: you keep it up, you know we're going to ratchet it. 180 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 2: I think at the end of the day, I really 181 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 2: believe this that Trump is going to force these other 182 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 2: countries to play by the rules, create a level playing 183 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 2: field that benefits everyone. 184 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: Okay, we're talking with Stephen Moore, Trump economic advisor, very 185 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: success full economists. Let me ask you this question big picture. 186 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:06,079 Speaker 1: I'm sure you remember this well. I was a young 187 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: guy at the time. But in the nineteen eighties, those 188 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 1: of us who remember the nineteen eighties, the idea was 189 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: Japan was going to buy up everything. Their economy was 190 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:18,319 Speaker 1: on fire, they were growing like crazy, and there was 191 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: a great deal of fear about Japanese ownership of American assets. Now, 192 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:26,959 Speaker 1: forty years later, the Japan economies around the same size 193 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: ish at least according to the stock market. Is China 194 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 1: somewhat like Japan where you're going to see this massive 195 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: growth and then they're kind of going to run into 196 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 1: a wall now here we know the demographics. China's population 197 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 1: is but likely begun to decline. You know, there are 198 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 1: also it's getting more expensive to make goods in China, 199 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 1: which is how as economies rise, the expectation of workers increases. 200 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:54,680 Speaker 1: Do you see a parallel potentially between the rapid rise 201 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:58,079 Speaker 1: that we saw with Japan and then the plateau with 202 00:10:58,160 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: what we have seen with China as well? 203 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 4: Well? 204 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, and even more so. Look, China is a centrally 205 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 2: planned economy that is run by their government. It is 206 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 2: run out of Beijing. One lesson of history. You're a 207 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 2: history historian, I am a bit too. One of the 208 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 2: most important lessons of economic history is that central planning 209 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 2: does not work right. It does not work. It didn't 210 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 2: work for the Soviet Union, It's not going to work 211 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 2: for China. So China's economy will implode. And I'm not 212 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 2: saying it's going to happen next year, but it will implode. 213 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 2: It's going to happen because you know, we have a 214 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 2: free enterprise system where we let capital markets and our 215 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 2: small businessmen and women make the decisions. They have the 216 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 2: government making the decision. Who are you get to bet on? 217 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 4: No? 218 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 1: I agree, Okay, so let me ask you this last question. 219 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 1: I appreciate the time. I know how busy you are 220 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:48,079 Speaker 1: doing interviews all over the world. Who has more short 221 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 1: term pressure on them in a tara for by your analysis, 222 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:56,679 Speaker 1: China or the United States? Whose economy suffers more as 223 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 1: we go back and forth to stare each other down. 224 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:03,679 Speaker 2: Well there, Look, you know when we sneeze, China catches pneumonia, 225 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 2: they have to trade with us. If we stopped at 226 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 2: trading with China, it would hurt our economy, but their 227 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 2: economy would go into a great depression. That's the leverage 228 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 2: that we have over China. And Trump is playing that card. 229 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 2: But it's a complicated question because they don't face elections. Yes, President, 230 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 2: what's going to stop him? He may be willing to 231 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 2: throw his economy and do a depression. You know, luckily 232 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:29,839 Speaker 2: we are a democratic country, and so you know, our 233 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 2: pain threshold is probably a lot of less than theirs 234 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:34,439 Speaker 2: are because they're run by a dictator. 235 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 1: No doubt. Well, that's an interesting way of contemplating it. 236 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 1: What I know I said last question, but what do 237 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 1: you think Chairman z is hearing and thinking as this 238 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 1: process plays out. I think a lot of people can 239 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:48,239 Speaker 1: get into Trump's mind and understand the United States perspective. 240 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 1: What do you think the China perspective is right now? 241 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 2: I think they're scared. You know, it's not being covered 242 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:56,079 Speaker 2: by the media, but their market has fallen much more 243 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 2: than ours. Hask Yes, you know they're they're facing there 244 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 2: are facing a very big, very severe recession. So I 245 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 2: think they're freaked out right now. They don't know how 246 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:05,719 Speaker 2: to deal with Trump. I think Trump is as the 247 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 2: upper hand here, and I'm going to bet on Trump 248 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 2: in America, not China. 249 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 1: Steven Moore, I loved the editorial that you and Art 250 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 1: laugher pin for the Wall Street Journal. We appreciate you 251 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 1: coming on and thank Art again. I need to text 252 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 1: him to thank him for coming on yesterday. We appreciate 253 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 1: your expertise and anytime you want to come on let 254 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: us know. 255 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 2: Okay, thanks so much, take care. 256 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 4: It's great. 257 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 1: I mean, you just heard from two of the most 258 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 1: prominent economists in the world, frankly in the last two days. Here, 259 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:34,439 Speaker 1: I'll take some of your questions. By the way, the 260 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:37,559 Speaker 1: cabinet meeting continuing right now as I am looking up, 261 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 1: Elon Musk is attending the Cabinet meeting and speaking. It 262 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 1: is live right now on CNN and Fox News. 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Terrence. Let me 307 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: hit a quick call here, Terrence in Santa Rosa Beach, Florida. 308 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: Love it down there, Terrence. What you got for us? 309 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 6: Hey, Actually it's the Republic of West Florida. 310 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 1: But that's a great republic. By the way, So far 311 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: as I'm concerned, I got a place. 312 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 6: On thirty eight, they're doing a lot of stories of 313 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 6: Schumer and Pelosi about what they said in the past. Well, 314 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 6: Barack Obama and March of two thousand and nine said, 315 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 6: I think it's a good time. 316 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: To buy Thank you for the call. If the president 317 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 1: tells you not to buy stocks, you should be nervous 318 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 1: because it would mean that he knows. Thank you for 319 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 1: the call, but the whole idea. He's reacting to the 320 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 1: Ladies on the View saying Trump should be charged with 321 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 1: insider trading. If the President's not telling you it's a 322 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 1: good time to buy stocks, you should be nervous because 323 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:12,120 Speaker 1: anybody who believes in the future of America, I think 324 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: should be buying and holding stocks for the long term. 325 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 1: And you know what else I want you to do. 326 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: Buy Crockett Coffee. I bet Buck is gonna need Crocket 327 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 1: coffee an absolute massive amount. Anybody out there who hasn't 328 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 1: had a kid and then you had the kid, I 329 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: bet your coffee consumption is gonna go up a little bit. 330 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 1: And in fact, their Crockett coffee is stacked high inside 331 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 1: of Buck and Carrey's place. I saw it. But I 332 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 1: bet their coffee consumption is about to skyrocket. We're waiting 333 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 1: on baby news. Continue to update you as that plays out. 334 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: But in the meantime, you can go to Crocketcoffee dot com. 335 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: You can put in code book and you'll get an 336 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 1: autograph copy of my book. I've been signing them as 337 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:57,360 Speaker 1: I was watching March Madness. A bunch of them signed. 338 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 1: The lovely Katie who's been working with me for a day. 339 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:04,199 Speaker 1: She has got a baby boy herself. She has been 340 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: using a lot of the Crockett coffee as well. But 341 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: she is getting all those books and she is making 342 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:11,959 Speaker 1: sure that they are all headed out to you, signed 343 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,959 Speaker 1: directly from my house ship to your house. 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He is 350 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: a brilliant analyst of everything that's going on in the world. 351 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 1: Good history background, good economics background, and a good background 352 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:45,160 Speaker 1: on understanding Western civilization and the importance of standing for 353 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:48,400 Speaker 1: good over evil. We will talk about his latest book 354 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 1: when we return. Right here. Thanks for hanging with us 355 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 1: on Clay and Buck. 356 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:57,119 Speaker 5: Clay, Travis and Buck Sexton on the front Lines of Truth. 357 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:01,160 Speaker 1: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton show. Appreciate all 358 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 1: of you hanging out with us. We are joined now 359 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 1: by a author journalist all round incredibly talented guy Douglas 360 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 1: Murray new book on Democracies and death Cults, Israel and 361 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 1: the Future of Civilization. We appreciate you coming on. For 362 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:20,679 Speaker 1: those of you watching on video, the book is up 363 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 1: beside me. Let's start right here. I got to go 364 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:27,119 Speaker 1: to Israel in December for the first time ever. I 365 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 1: went to the kibbutz's on the border with Gaza. I 366 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:32,879 Speaker 1: went all the way to the north in Lebanon. I 367 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:35,399 Speaker 1: was blown away by the concept which I should have 368 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 1: understood before, but I didn't until I stood on the 369 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: ground that Israel really is the front line of Western civilization. 370 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 1: If it falls, then Western civilization is in trouble. I 371 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 1: know this is a big part of the book argument 372 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 1: you make, but do people really understand the stakes, the 373 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:54,199 Speaker 1: consequences of what's going on in the Middle East, and, 374 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:56,919 Speaker 1: more alarmingly, the fact that a lot of people in 375 00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:00,159 Speaker 1: America and other Western civilizations have lost the ability need 376 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: to distinguish between good and evil. 377 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:07,440 Speaker 4: It's very good to be with you and your listeners again. Firstly, 378 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:11,439 Speaker 4: the book is attempted to describe the atrocities of the 379 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 4: seventh of October twenty twenty three, how they came about 380 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 4: what happened. I've been there in the zone of the 381 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 4: conflict for most of the last year and a half, 382 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 4: and so it's a first hand account as well as 383 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 4: a temporize first draft of history about the atrocities of 384 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 4: that day. But the other thing that the book is 385 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 4: really about is a much bigger question, is the one, 386 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 4: as you say, that affects us here in America and 387 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 4: the rest of the West, which is why when a democracy, 388 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 4: an aw i of ours, was attacked so brutally, with 389 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 4: twelve hundred people massacred, two hundred and fifties innocent civilians 390 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:55,119 Speaker 4: taken hostage, why did so many people here in America 391 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 4: side not with the democracy but with the deaf cult 392 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:04,119 Speaker 4: of Hanaz. And I come to not just ask the question, 393 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:07,199 Speaker 4: but also I hope to try to answer it. And 394 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 4: one of the things that we've seen, and I relate 395 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 4: that I saw it straight away early on on the 396 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 4: eighth of October, as massacre was still going on in 397 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 4: Times Square in New York, I saw the demonstration of 398 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 4: people supporting the terrorists, supporting Hamad. In the year and 399 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 4: a half since we've seen this disgusting outburst of hatred 400 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 4: against the Jewish state and against the Jewish people. Just 401 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 4: two days ago at Princeton University, Jewish students were screened 402 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 4: at by other students telling them to go home. The reason, 403 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,400 Speaker 4: in part, as you know, and you've covered so well 404 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 4: on your show, is that we have lived through an 405 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 4: era in which America, the West, all of our allies 406 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:57,159 Speaker 4: are seen as the bad guys over and over again. 407 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 4: And if I have a rule that I've in the 408 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 4: last few and a half wherever I've gone in America, 409 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:07,199 Speaker 4: when I see an anti Israel protest, I notice that 410 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 4: they fly the Palestinian flag. They may fly the flag 411 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 4: of Hamas or Hezbolah one of these other terrorist groups. 412 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 4: They never fly the American flag. In fact, when they 413 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 4: find an American flag, they'll burn it. Compare it with 414 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:25,119 Speaker 4: the pro Israel demonstrations that have happened. They always have 415 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 4: the flying of the Israeli flag and the flying of 416 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 4: the American flag, and the singing of the Star Spangled 417 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:34,640 Speaker 4: banner and more. The people who have been most vocal 418 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 4: against Israel since the massacre are people who have also 419 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 4: told us that they hate Israel first, but they hate 420 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:48,199 Speaker 4: America and the West most and anyone who thinks that 421 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 4: that is some kind of hyperbole, just consider that the 422 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:57,439 Speaker 4: student group at Colombia most supportive of Hamads, says in 423 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 4: its founding statements that it seeks as its aim the 424 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 4: quote complete destruction of Western civilization, the complete destruction of 425 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:13,159 Speaker 4: Western civilization. They see Israel as being the nearest targets, 426 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 4: as Jamaz does, but not the last targets. 427 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 1: Why do you think young people, compared to older people 428 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 1: in the United States in particular, are so susceptible to 429 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 1: the argument that Israel is a force for evil and 430 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 1: that in some way the Palestinians or the larger Middle 431 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 1: Eastern community is a source of good, even in the 432 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:40,199 Speaker 1: wake of October seventh. Why has that worked with so 433 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 1: many young people. 434 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 4: I believe because they've been prepared for this moment very 435 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:49,640 Speaker 4: carefully for years. I said in my last book, The 436 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 4: War on the West, that Americans, this generation of Americans 437 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 4: coming up, were being taught hatred of America and hatred 438 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,159 Speaker 4: of the West. We have seen in America the whole 439 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:07,199 Speaker 4: great history of America rewritten. In recent years. Students and 440 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 4: others told that to be an American is to be 441 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 4: born into guilt, to inherit the guilt of slavery, of 442 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 4: white supremacy, of colonialism, of genocide, and much more. Look 443 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 4: at what the pro Haamaz anti Israel demonstrators on American 444 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:30,160 Speaker 4: campuses accuse Israel of. They accused of Israel completely falsely, 445 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 4: as falsely against America. They accuse Israel today of genocide, 446 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 4: of ethnic cleansing, of white supremacy, and of all the 447 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 4: sins that they have been told they themselves, are Americans 448 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 4: born in the twenty first century, are guilty of. This 449 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:52,120 Speaker 4: is what a psychologist would call projection on a massive scale. 450 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,919 Speaker 4: Tell me what you accuse the Jewish State of, and 451 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 4: I'll tell you what you've been taught that you are 452 00:24:58,960 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 4: guilty of. 453 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,879 Speaker 1: We're talking to Douglas Murray. The book is on democracy 454 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:09,199 Speaker 1: and death, Cults, Israel, and the future of civilization. What 455 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 1: should happen? You know, we've heard a lot from people 456 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 1: in the Trump era talking about the right and wrong 457 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: side of history. If you can see the massacre of Jews, 458 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 1: the worst day since the Holocaust, on October seventh, and 459 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 1: not recognize what the right and wrong side of history is, 460 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 1: how do we rectify that? What should people who are 461 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 1: smart enough to know better be doing well. 462 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 4: I believe that young people in the West, not just 463 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 4: America but principally America, but also I've seen this in 464 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,440 Speaker 4: the last few and a half in Australia and Canada 465 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 4: and Britain and elsewhere. They've been taught into this Western 466 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:54,400 Speaker 4: self hatred and hatred. Now that've been taught, older generations 467 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 4: of Americans do not hate America because they weren't taught 468 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 4: to hate America. Older generations of Americans don't hate other 469 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 4: democracies because they weren't taught to hate other democracies. Part 470 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 4: of this generation, not all of them. There are some 471 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 4: great young people coming up, but part of this generation 472 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 4: has been taught this hatred. I believe that it is 473 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 4: going to require a generation to teach them out of it. 474 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,440 Speaker 1: I think that's well said. We're talking to Douglas Murray. 475 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 1: The book I encourage you to all to go check 476 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,880 Speaker 1: it out is on Democracies and death Cults. It's out 477 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:35,879 Speaker 1: right now. You mentioned younger generations and the need to 478 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 1: teach them about what actually has taken place. How much 479 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 1: of this is the perverse idea that you built on 480 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:48,120 Speaker 1: here that white people are to blame for everything, and 481 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,920 Speaker 1: that Jewish people are just seen as white, and therefore, 482 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 1: in the left wing anti American and anti Western perspective, 483 00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:00,199 Speaker 1: there is no ability to grapple with the idea that 484 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 1: someone who is of lighter skin could actually be a 485 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,679 Speaker 1: victim here. I mean, I think is partly a function 486 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,679 Speaker 1: of just the broken worldview at play. 487 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 4: I think you're completely right. The thing that this generation 488 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 4: has been taught, the thing that has been across our media, 489 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:21,359 Speaker 4: whether it's a New York Times sixteen nineteen project, whether 490 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 4: it's radical Democrats talking about white guilt and all of 491 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 4: this sort of thing. Always the Jews are going to 492 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 4: become a victim of this. And sure enough, the people 493 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:37,679 Speaker 4: who believe that they're against racism are accusing. Again. It 494 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:39,920 Speaker 4: goes back to this thing. It's a mirror of their 495 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:44,360 Speaker 4: own sins, as they've been told them. Always they accuse 496 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:48,400 Speaker 4: Israel of white supremacy. I mean, you've been there. 497 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:48,880 Speaker 1: Yeah. 498 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 4: To me, it's one of the most ethnically racially diverse 499 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:57,160 Speaker 4: countries on the planet. One third of people in Israel 500 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 4: are of European descent one third the other two thirds 501 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 4: are Middle Eastern. They are from countries across the region 502 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 4: historically who were chased out of those countries Iraqi Jews, 503 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:17,679 Speaker 4: Persian Jews, Assyrian Jews, and many others North African Jews. 504 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:24,399 Speaker 4: To see white college campus kids in America accusing black 505 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:29,400 Speaker 4: Jewish Israelis of white supremacy is even by the standards 506 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:33,400 Speaker 4: of our time and even with our probably wearied ability 507 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 4: to keep, the ability to be shocked, absolutely shocking and shocking, 508 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 4: not least just for its sheer ignorance. 509 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 1: When you look Douglas Murray, the author of On Democracies 510 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 1: and Death Cults, encourage you to go read the book 511 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 1: what you just said, the you know, white American college 512 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 1: kids coming after this. When I went to Israel. The 513 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 1: other thing that stood out was Trump being called Hitler 514 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 1: when is if it could vote in the American presidential election, 515 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 1: would have voted like Wyoming did or like West Virginia did. 516 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:12,239 Speaker 1: That is basically seventy thirty pro Trump as someone who 517 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 1: doesn't live in America. And when you hear that argument, 518 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 1: how outrageous and outlandish is that analogy for our current 519 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 1: president when it comes to his relationship with Israel. 520 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 4: Well, just one quick thing, I actually do live in 521 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 4: America when I'm not living in various war Zones. I 522 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 4: hot footed it from my native Britain some years ago 523 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 4: for very good reasons, and I'd like to think I'm 524 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 4: one of the better American importance of research. 525 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 1: Well accept you, yes, thank you. 526 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 4: Not for me to say, but you know, because I 527 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 4: love this country. I love America, I love the founding fathers, 528 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 4: I love American history, and I love American people. So 529 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 4: it grieves me enormously to see some of the wild, 530 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 4: wild hatred, wild claims that people have been encouraged into 531 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 4: in recent years. Many people have been persuaded that basically, 532 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 4: you know, all of their history is just the nineteen 533 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 4: thirties and forties. They only know one bad person in history, 534 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 4: and that's Hitler, and their aim is to be anti Hitler, 535 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 4: which is like, wow, guys, that was a very brave 536 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 4: and important thing to be in the nineteen thirty and forties. 537 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 1: By the way, when many of the people were not 538 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 1: actually anti Hitler, when it would have been helpful, right exactly. 539 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 4: It would have really helped if there'd been more anti 540 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 4: Hitler people in those days. But history is a bit 541 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 4: more complicated when you're going through it, and we are 542 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 4: going through it now. One of the things that we've 543 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 4: seen in the last eighteen months is how many people 544 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 4: who regard themselves as being anti racists are in fact 545 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 4: the racist. How many people who think they're anti Nazi 546 00:30:56,080 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 4: are literally siding with a Nazi movement, Hannah. 547 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 7: How many people who think they would have been on 548 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 7: the right side in the nineteen thirties and the nineteen 549 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,239 Speaker 7: forties are on the side of an anti Semitic and 550 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 7: anti Western Deaf cult today. The people who told us 551 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 7: for ten years to believe all women are the people 552 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 7: who don't believe Israeli women who were raped. 553 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 4: On the seventh of October. This tells us nothing about 554 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 4: the Jewish state or the Jewish people. It tells us 555 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 4: everything about the people who have been lecturing us for 556 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 4: years now and how wicked they can be. 557 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 1: Douglas Murray, last question for you. You hit on something that 558 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 1: I think is hugely important. We have a historically illiterate country. 559 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 1: Your point is, yes, basically the only historical analogy many 560 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 1: people seem to be able to make is too Hitler 561 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 1: and too World War two. How much of all of 562 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 1: this is rooted in America, but also Western civilization in 563 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 1: general not having educated its people in terms of real 564 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 1: history and having much of a depth of knowledge at all. 565 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 4: Well, I'll tell you it's obviously the ignorance of history 566 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 4: is profound everywhere, not just in America. Across the West, 567 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 4: young British and Canadian school children and college students are 568 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 4: also being taught versions of the same rot. One of 569 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 4: the things I finished this book on, though, is to say, 570 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 4: why not regard this as I do, as a civilizational 571 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 4: moment and a civilizational test. We all weigh ourselves up 572 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 4: against the greatest generation of World War II, and we 573 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 4: should we ask ourselves, would we do what our forefathers 574 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 4: were able to do when the time of trial came. 575 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 4: You can take the route, if you're a young American 576 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 4: of being led into the grievance culture, the victimhood culture 577 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 4: that you and I have spoken about for years and 578 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 4: that we hate. But you can also choose another route. 579 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 4: And it's the route that the young men and women 580 00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 4: of Israel, who I had the honor to be with 581 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 4: in Gaza, in Lebanon, in Israel in the last eighteen months. 582 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 4: It's the route they have chosen, which is the root 583 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:12,080 Speaker 4: of heroism. Protecting your people, protecting your faith, protecting your family, 584 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 4: protecting your way of life and knowing that your way 585 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 4: of life will only continue if you're willing to fight 586 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,720 Speaker 4: for it. I'd like to see Americans learn from the 587 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:25,240 Speaker 4: Israeli youth on this, because if they do, we have 588 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 4: a bright future too well. 589 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 1: Said the book on Democracies and Death Cults. Douglas Murray, 590 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,160 Speaker 1: good luck on the trail, and I hope you sell 591 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 1: a lot of books. I know this audience will be 592 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 1: very receptive to your book and the argument you're making. 593 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:38,640 Speaker 1: Thanks for everything you're doing. 594 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:40,960 Speaker 4: It's great to be with you. Thank you. 595 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,840 Speaker 1: That is Douglas Murray look much less serious. I hope 596 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 1: you guys enjoyed that. Super smart guy. 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But Donald Trump, now for 627 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:28,280 Speaker 1: nearly an hour, has been taking questions at a cabinet meeting, 628 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:32,879 Speaker 1: as have many of the cabinet members, and an Elon Musk, 629 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,479 Speaker 1: who is not technically a cabinet member, has been taking 630 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:40,720 Speaker 1: questions and addressing the assembled media in a fashion, frankly, 631 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,920 Speaker 1: that we never saw under Joe Biden at all. And 632 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:48,960 Speaker 1: here is Trump reacting to consumer goods costs coming down. 633 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,200 Speaker 1: According to the most recent numbers out there, this has 634 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:53,280 Speaker 1: cut twenty six. 635 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:57,000 Speaker 8: Consumer prices have actually dropped. 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