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Speaker 1: and poke him on his age, which is a little

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Speaker 1: like ron given that that the president's no spring chicken

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Speaker 1: either year old makes fun of seven year old for

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Speaker 1: their age. But you know, the thing is Trump doesn't

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Speaker 1: He doesn't behave like a sepy something. Definitely not. He's

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Speaker 1: got a lot of energy, uh into And so I

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Speaker 1: think I think it'll be an interesting contract. I think

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Speaker 1: that's what he's trying to set up. Lan Hea Chen,

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Speaker 1: host of the podcast Crossing Lines with lan Hea Chen,

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Speaker 1: his intelligence is not in Dowdies, uh, domestic policies, study

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Speaker 1: guy at Stanford University, etcetera. Lan he great to talk

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Speaker 1: to you, thank you, great to do with you, guys.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Bernie was asked, taking off my glasses.

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Speaker 1: There it is, Director of Domestic Policy Studies. That's it.

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Speaker 1: Bernie was asked the other day are you tooled during

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Speaker 1: for Besnie said, follow me around on the campaign trial

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Speaker 1: for a while. That's true for all of them. If

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Speaker 1: you if you can physically do a campaign, well, then

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Speaker 1: you're physically okay. Now, whether your mind's all right or not,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. But being president is much less tiring

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Speaker 1: than running for president, no doubt, according to all of them.

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Speaker 1: Very few of us right now listening could keep up

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Speaker 1: the schedule of these people keep up or would keep

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Speaker 1: it up. Um, so that's something. Sleepy sleep and Joe

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Speaker 1: Budden half way when he's a sleep you can't tell

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Speaker 1: how stupid he is. Wait till he wakes up.