WEBVTT - Weirdhouse Cinema: The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey you welcome to Weird House Cinema.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Rob Lamb and this is Joe McCormick. And

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<v Speaker 2>today on Weird House Cinema we're going to be talking

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<v Speaker 2>about the nineteen fifty three creature film The Beast from

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<v Speaker 2>twenty thousand Fathoms, a very interesting precursor to movies that

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<v Speaker 2>would come later, like Godzilla, and you might say one

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<v Speaker 2>that follows in the footsteps of King Kong. I had

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<v Speaker 2>never seen this before today. I watched it for the

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<v Speaker 2>first time this morning, and yeah, this one was a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of fun. I was noticing how even though there

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<v Speaker 2>are silly things about it, it really does fit more

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<v Speaker 2>in that first half of the fifties monster movie bucket

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<v Speaker 2>than the second half of the fifties monster movie bucket.

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<v Speaker 2>It got me thinking about this division and where like

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<v Speaker 2>these early fifties movies are the monsters are a thing

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<v Speaker 2>of seriousness. They're more kind of adult oriented creature films,

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<v Speaker 2>usually made or at least distributed by these major studios,

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<v Speaker 2>and they deal with serious themes, very often about the

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<v Speaker 2>Cold War in one way or another, thing from another

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<v Speaker 2>world and them and this movie too, and then sometime

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<v Speaker 2>you get sometime in the mid fifties, you get this

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<v Speaker 2>handover where things start getting silly, where your monster movies

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<v Speaker 2>are like lower budgets, more independent features that are kind

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<v Speaker 2>of focused on the teenage audiences. This is your time

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<v Speaker 2>of the AIP takeover and Roger Korman and all that

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<v Speaker 2>attack of the crab monsters that sort of thing. And

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<v Speaker 2>there are exceptions, of course. I remember when we did

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<v Speaker 2>our episode on Robot Monster, we were noticing that, like, man,

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<v Speaker 2>that's this really feels like a movie from like five

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<v Speaker 2>years later. That one is from nineteen fifty three as well,

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<v Speaker 2>same year as Beast from twenty thousand fathoms, but it

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<v Speaker 2>fits in more with that drive in era. But generally

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<v Speaker 2>the trend really does hold, and I would say Beast

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<v Speaker 2>tightly conforms to the trend. This is a relatively serious

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<v Speaker 2>early fifties creature feature, and I would especially single out

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<v Speaker 2>the grim imagery of the conclusion right at the end

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<v Speaker 2>of the movie. It's one of the weirdest, spookiest looking things,

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<v Speaker 2>I think, especially because of the imagery we get to

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<v Speaker 2>of the roller coaster on fire with the main characters

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<v Speaker 2>wearing these deathly looking radiation suits. Yeah, interesting movie.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah is It definitely has that serious tone, but to

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<v Speaker 1>be clear, early fifties serious tones, not a sixty serious tone,

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<v Speaker 1>not a seventies or eighties. So don't feel like this

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<v Speaker 1>is a monster movie that is going to necessarily demand

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<v Speaker 1>a lot off you. You can definitely give it a

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<v Speaker 1>casual viewing. You can definitely just check in for the

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<v Speaker 1>monster scenes. But I do think it's worth watching in full.

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<v Speaker 1>I really enjoyed it. I get to watch this one

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<v Speaker 1>at Atlanta's own Plaza Theater as part of the Silver

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<v Speaker 1>Screams spook Show series and the Beast in question, I think,

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<v Speaker 1>to nobody surprise if you're familiar with it at all,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a Ray Harry Howsend creation. Looks absolutely terrific

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<v Speaker 1>on the big screen, big screen, black and white. You

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<v Speaker 1>can really imagine what it was like back in the days,

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<v Speaker 1>back in the early fifties to see this thing up

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<v Speaker 1>on the screen. Yeah. I think most people agree that

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<v Speaker 1>the monster absolutely holds up here, and the monster is

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<v Speaker 1>primarily the reason people come back to it with a

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<v Speaker 1>few other bits of interest as well. Some have said

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<v Speaker 1>that they find the rest of the movie a bit

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<v Speaker 1>slow at times, and I agree somewhat when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>to the research the research portion of the film, but

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely worth sticking out, especially for the ending. The ending

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<v Speaker 1>is just bonkers and I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I was kind of going in for

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<v Speaker 2>the flirty dinosaur identification scene.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, that was good, and of course the lighthouse

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<v Speaker 1>scene is terrific. I mean, all the scenes with the

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<v Speaker 1>monster are terrific, and the humans are very likable as well.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll take your modification on this. I don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>oversell the seriousness of it. It is also, I think,

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<v Speaker 2>in some ways unintentionally funny. I think, especially to audiences today,

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<v Speaker 2>some of the dialogue scenes and its treatment of scientific

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<v Speaker 2>skepticism is pretty funny, but not nearly the level of

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<v Speaker 2>seriousness and darkness you would get when treating the same themes,

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<v Speaker 2>or at least similar themes in Godzilla a year later.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. To be clear, this was the first time I'd

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<v Speaker 1>seen the film as well, and I knew that I

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<v Speaker 1>needed to be excited about a giant lizard rampaging down

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<v Speaker 1>Broadway in New York City, but I didn't know that

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to kick things off in the Arctic. That

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<v Speaker 1>was a real treat.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was actually thinking about this, like these fifties

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<v Speaker 2>creature movies that take place in the Arctic, or at

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<v Speaker 2>least have parts that do. First, I don't know, fifteen

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<v Speaker 2>minutes or so of this movie is in the Arctic,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was making me think about Howard Hawks, the

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<v Speaker 2>Thing from Another World that also has a setting in

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<v Speaker 2>the Arctic. Of course, that movie was the inspiration for

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<v Speaker 2>the Thing which moves from the Arctic to the Antarctic.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was kind of thinking about, like, why do

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<v Speaker 2>we get all of these sci fi creature movies set

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<v Speaker 2>in the far North and you know, these icy environments

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<v Speaker 2>in the early fifties. I think that's probably no coincidence

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<v Speaker 2>because when I started thinking about it, that probably has

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<v Speaker 2>to do with what was actually happening geopolitically at the time,

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<v Speaker 2>because in the early fifties, nuclear war was very much

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<v Speaker 2>on everybody's mind. You know, the Cold War is kicking up,

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<v Speaker 2>and we have these new weapons, this horrible technology. But

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<v Speaker 2>because of the state of the delivery systems for nuclear

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<v Speaker 2>weapons at the time, the Arctic was a major strategic

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<v Speaker 2>theater for the Cold War in the early fifties. ICBMs

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't be operationalized until later like around nineteen fifty seven

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<v Speaker 2>or fifty eight. So in the first half of the fifties,

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<v Speaker 2>people generally understood that if nuclear war ever broke out,

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<v Speaker 2>it would begin with long range bomber planes, and the

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<v Speaker 2>shortest route between available airfields and targets in the Soviet

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<v Speaker 2>Union in the United States would involve flights over the Arctic.

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<v Speaker 2>So as a result, the Arctic was a major zone

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<v Speaker 2>of strategic anxiety. So during this time there was a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of building, building and staffing of these far northern

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<v Speaker 2>bases and airfields, and trying to establish radar lines and

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<v Speaker 2>early warning systems that could detect a first strike coming

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<v Speaker 2>across the North Pole or through Arctic attack routes. So

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<v Speaker 2>I think it very much makes sense that the Arctic

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<v Speaker 2>would be on people's minds when they thought about nuclear war.

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<v Speaker 2>And in one way or another, most of these big

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<v Speaker 2>monster movies from the fifties have something to do with

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<v Speaker 2>nuclear war, either direct or indirectly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, obviously a key thing going on in

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<v Speaker 1>the zeitgeist and our fears take the form of these monsters. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>let's see my elevator pitch for this one would probably

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<v Speaker 1>just be giant lyzard goes crazy on Broadway because that

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<v Speaker 1>is what will happen, and that's the most iconic sequence

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<v Speaker 1>in the picture. But as far as just promotional materials go,

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<v Speaker 1>I love this The original poster for the film, which

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<v Speaker 1>says the Sea's master beast of the ages raging up

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<v Speaker 1>from the bottom of time pretty grand.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. I don't really recall a scene where they

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<v Speaker 2>describe much of anything about the palaeoecology of the Redosaurus

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<v Speaker 2>or the Raydosaurus. I forget how they pronounce it is that,

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<v Speaker 2>but they come up with a fictional dinosaur species in

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<v Speaker 2>this movie, which is what the monster is. It is

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<v Speaker 2>an unfrozen, unfrozen caveman lawyer, except it's a you know,

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<v Speaker 2>rampaging dinosaur monster coming out of the ice and it's

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<v Speaker 2>r h Edosaurus. However you say that, and yeah, do

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<v Speaker 2>they say. Was it supposed to be an aquatic dinosaur

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<v Speaker 2>or a terrestrial dinosaur? It does both, And it really

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<v Speaker 2>is shaped more like a terrestrial animal would be. It

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<v Speaker 2>looks like a big iguana sort of, but with like

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<v Speaker 2>a really gnarly nasty head. But we see it, really,

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<v Speaker 2>we see it moving around beneath the water, much like Godzilla.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't know. Is this thing supposed to be

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<v Speaker 2>a master of the seas or the sea's master? I guess.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it can eat a bathosphere, which speaks to

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<v Speaker 1>some mastery of the sea, and it is the beast

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<v Speaker 1>from twenty thousand fathoms. But yeah, it seems as comfortable

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<v Speaker 1>on land as it is in the water. That poster,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, also in all caps, lets you know

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<v Speaker 1>that it is not suitable for children, which it's always

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<v Speaker 1>fun to reflect on that because by today's standards, this

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<v Speaker 1>is very suitable for children. It might bore some children

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<v Speaker 1>for some set for some segments, but I mean, there's

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<v Speaker 1>nothing out of line here at all, even within the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifties.

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<v Speaker 2>I would say. We were discussing this poster before we

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<v Speaker 2>started recording, and one of the things that confused me

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<v Speaker 2>was what's this white stuff hanging out of the beast's mouth.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't. The only thing that would make sense is

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<v Speaker 2>it's supposed to be drool, but it doesn't look like that.

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<v Speaker 1>It looks like it ate a white wig, yeah, or

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<v Speaker 1>it almost looks like it is supposed to be like

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<v Speaker 1>beard material, like they as if they added some motifs

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<v Speaker 1>of like Eastern dragons to it or something.

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<v Speaker 2>Because it is a very dragon like organism. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I could see yeah, like a like a Chinese dragon.

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<v Speaker 2>It's got the trailing kind of wind swept thing, beard

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<v Speaker 2>like stuff coming from the mouth. Also, we have one

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<v Speaker 2>person down in the crowd that's running in terror away

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<v Speaker 2>from the dinosaur. One person gets a speech bubble and

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<v Speaker 2>they're saying it's alive. Yes, Well, what did they expect?

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<v Speaker 1>It's very much alive. All right, If you were curious

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<v Speaker 1>about this film and you would like to watch The

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<v Speaker 1>Beast from twenty thousand fathoms before we really get into

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<v Speaker 1>the spoilers here and all, well, it is widely available.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a whole lot of fun on the big screen,

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<v Speaker 1>but you can very much enjoy it on the small

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<v Speaker 1>screen no matter however small screen you desire. You can

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<v Speaker 1>get it in all digital formats, and there's some nice

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<v Speaker 1>DVD and Blu ray editions as well. All right, let's

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<v Speaker 1>get into the people behind this film, starting with the director.

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<v Speaker 1>This is actually a director we've mentioned on the show before.

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<v Speaker 1>This is our second film by this guy. This is

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<v Speaker 1>Yuzenne Laurie lived nineteen oh three through nineteen ninety one.

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<v Speaker 1>He also directed the nineteen sixty one British kaiju movie Gorgo, Gorgo.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, this is a better movie than Gorgo. This

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<v Speaker 2>is definitely better than Gorgo. Gorgo had there was a

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<v Speaker 2>lot to love about Gorgo. That was the one about

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<v Speaker 2>the big lizard rat that attacks off the coast of

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<v Speaker 2>Ireland and then gets captured and brought back to London.

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<v Speaker 2>So really it is the plot of King Kong, except

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<v Speaker 2>it treats Ireland to Skull Island.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, the King Kong connection is key here. You

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<v Speaker 1>alluded to it already. But my understanding is that this

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<v Speaker 1>film basically came about because there had been they re

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<v Speaker 1>released King Kong in the studio, in the in the theaters,

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<v Speaker 1>which of course would come out and come out you know,

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<v Speaker 1>decades earlier. They re released it in the theaters. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a big hit, and you know, studio heads were like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>why are we not still making giant monster movies that

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<v Speaker 1>make us giant money. Let's do some more of those.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's where the Beast from twenty thousand fathoms comes in.

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<v Speaker 1>And then it by most accounts, partially inspires Godzilla to come.

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<v Speaker 1>So it does play a key role in the history

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<v Speaker 1>of giant monster movies just Internet nationally m Yeah. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>One thing I think King Kong gets right. Gorgo does

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<v Speaker 2>not get right, and this movie gets somewhere in the middle,

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<v Speaker 2>is making the human characters of interest. Yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>there's like some human interest in King Kong. There is

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<v Speaker 2>not really much at all in Gorgo, and this is

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<v Speaker 2>somewhere in the middle. Like the characters in this or

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<v Speaker 2>you're not going to be, you know, falling in love

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<v Speaker 2>with them. They're not like amazingly compelling, but they're fun

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<v Speaker 2>enough to fall especially like the paleontologist guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, yeah, he is a lot of fun and

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<v Speaker 1>it is of course sad when when he gets it.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll get to.

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<v Speaker 1>Here, okay, but back to lay Here again, our second

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<v Speaker 1>film of his having covered Gorgo before. Russian born French

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<v Speaker 1>art director and then a film director his production design

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<v Speaker 1>where it goes back to the early thirties, but his

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<v Speaker 1>first directorial credit was this film, and this scene still

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<v Speaker 1>have cemented him as a giant monster director to some extent,

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<v Speaker 1>as he followed this up with fifty eight's The Colossus

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<v Speaker 1>of New York, in which a giant robot body has

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<v Speaker 1>a dead boy's brain in it controlling It.

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<v Speaker 2>That's on my weird house list.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I do want to see that one, and I

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<v Speaker 1>see it on the video rental shelves of Video Drone sometimes.

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<v Speaker 1>Fifty nine's The Giant Behemoth, which is another Giant Dino movie.

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<v Speaker 1>And then he also did an episode of the fifty

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<v Speaker 1>nine TV series World of Giants. This is an incredible

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<v Speaker 1>Shrinking Man inspired series. And then of course he did Gorgo. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, getting into the screenplay here, one of the

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<v Speaker 1>most the more interesting connections here on the script is

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<v Speaker 1>that it is based to some extent on a short story,

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<v Speaker 1>very short story by Ray Bradberry, who lived nineteen twenty

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<v Speaker 1>through twenty twelve.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you notice how in the credits it doesn't name

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<v Speaker 2>the story. It just says based on the Saturday Evening

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<v Speaker 2>Post story by Ray Bradberry.

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<v Speaker 1>It really kind of felt like, oh, crap, I forgot

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<v Speaker 1>to I've got to write down the name. I'll just

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<v Speaker 1>say just just say where it was feltlish.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was in the one in the post.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the one in the post. That one what was

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<v Speaker 1>it called? It was? It was I'm forgetting the fog Horn.

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<v Speaker 1>The fog Horn was the name of the.

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<v Speaker 2>Songg fog horn leg Horn.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the Foghorn from nineteen fifty one, which which you

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<v Speaker 1>can find online. It's it's it's a pretty short story,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's it's it's it's well written, it's nice. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to read a quick excerpt from it here. Mcdunn

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<v Speaker 1>fumbled the switch, but even as he switched it on,

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<v Speaker 1>the monster was rearing up. I had a glimpse of

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<v Speaker 1>its gigantic paws, fish skin glittering in webs between the

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<v Speaker 1>finger like projections, clawing at the tower. The huge eye

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<v Speaker 1>on the right side of its anguished head glittered before

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<v Speaker 1>me like a cauldron into which I might drop screaming.

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<v Speaker 1>The tower shook, The fog horn cried, The monster cried.

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<v Speaker 1>It sees the tower and gnashed at the glass, which

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<v Speaker 1>shattered in upon us.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, So is this the scene that becomes the

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<v Speaker 2>attack on the light house in the movies?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Okay, Well, one.

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<v Speaker 2>Of the better parts of the movie. Very very interesting scene.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the emotional heart of the film really as far

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<v Speaker 1>as the monster goes, because essentially what appears to be

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<v Speaker 1>happening is the monster is confusing the sound of the foghorn,

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<v Speaker 1>in confusing the lighthouse with one of its own kind,

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<v Speaker 1>and it sort of comes in and tries to hug it,

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<v Speaker 1>to embrace it, to find comfort in its embrace, but

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<v Speaker 1>instead just collapses a lighthouse and has then desponded, And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we can understand it's rage at that point.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and sadly kills a couple of lighthouse keepers who

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<v Speaker 2>were in the middle of a brilliant discourse on body songs.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's true there was human tragedy here as well.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, this was the Ray Bradbury story. Yeah, we

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<v Speaker 1>talked about Bradbury before. He's come up before, but we

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<v Speaker 1>talked about The Soul and the Lame Bass short film

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<v Speaker 1>Quest from nineteen eighty four, which was based on one

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<v Speaker 1>of his tales. And he's the author of such works

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<v Speaker 1>the Martian Chronicles from fifty They Illustrated Man from fifty one,

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<v Speaker 1>The October Country from fifty five. And he was of

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<v Speaker 1>course a successful screenwriter, having written the screenplay for the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifty six adaptation of Moby Dick, and his work

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<v Speaker 1>was also adapted for TV and film going back to

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteen fifties, including Jack Arnold's It Came from Outer

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<v Speaker 1>Space in fifty three, and that's one that has been

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<v Speaker 1>kind of on the short list or maybe the long

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<v Speaker 1>list for weird house cinema. There's probably one Jack Arnold

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<v Speaker 1>film in particular. In particular we'll get too before that,

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<v Speaker 1>but at any rate, Yeah, you do see a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of the fog Horn in this picture, and it

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<v Speaker 1>is kind of the emotional heart of it. I was

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<v Speaker 1>reading about it, and I've found out that there's actually

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<v Speaker 1>a nineteen ninety seven episode of the Pokemon TV series

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<v Speaker 1>which also loosely adapts this Bradburry story. It's called Mystery

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<v Speaker 1>at the Lighthouse, and I included a couple of stills

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<v Speaker 1>for you here. I did not have a chance to

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<v Speaker 1>watch this episode, but based on the screenshots, it appears

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<v Speaker 1>that a large dragon like form I'm assuming this is

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<v Speaker 1>what Charizard charizard O.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know that one.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it looks like Charizard, except in black and white,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, or at least in mist and fog we

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<v Speaker 1>don't get are mostly silhouette, and he is indeed attacking

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<v Speaker 1>a lighthouse, perhaps mistaking it for I don't know, another Pokemon. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>Pokemon fans out there, and we know, we certainly know

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<v Speaker 1>we have them right in about this episode, we'll learn

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<v Speaker 1>more from you, all right. The screenplay credits, however, go

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<v Speaker 1>to two individuals. We have Lou Morheim, who lived nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>twenty two through twenty thirteen, writer and producer who's other

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<v Speaker 1>credits as a writer include five episodes of the original

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<v Speaker 1>Outer Limits plus a bunch of Westerns, which makes sense

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<v Speaker 1>given the time period. And then also Fred Freiberger nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen through two thousand and three, film and TV writer

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<v Speaker 1>who went on to create the Neanderthal Saturday More live

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<v Speaker 1>action TV show Corg seventy thousand BC. This ran from

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<v Speaker 1>seventy four through seventy five, nineteen episodes narrated by Burgess.

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<v Speaker 2>Meredith. Huh yeah, I didn't know about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, Like I was reading about it and it

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<v Speaker 1>was like, oh wow, this is like a serious caveman

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<v Speaker 1>drama and they're like, no Saturday Morning TV.

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<v Speaker 2>Show, Okay, it's not like the Inheritors.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, that's what I was thinking, Like, is this

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<v Speaker 1>a real serious treatment of maybe, you know, somehow connected

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<v Speaker 1>to a lot of the other like seriously minded prehistoric

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<v Speaker 1>people novels and so forth. But I don't think that

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<v Speaker 1>was the case. More of a light land of the

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<v Speaker 1>lost flavor here I think, all right, let's get into

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<v Speaker 1>the actors here. So our protagonist is Professor Tom Nesbit,

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<v Speaker 1>played by an actor credited as Paul Christian, his real

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<v Speaker 1>name Paul Hubschmid. He was a Swiss actor with film

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<v Speaker 1>credits going back to nineteen thirty eight. He lived nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventeen through two thousand and one. He worked in German cinema,

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<v Speaker 1>including during the period of Nazi rule, which he later

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<v Speaker 1>expressed regret over and had difficulty finding Swiss roles because

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<v Speaker 1>of in the years following the war. I'm to understand

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<v Speaker 1>that these German films of the Nazi era he appeared

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<v Speaker 1>in were light romantic fare with only faint ideological references,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was still kind of a lasting blight on

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<v Speaker 1>his career. So to be clear, not a Nazi, but

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<v Speaker 1>a young Swiss actor working in Germany at the time

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<v Speaker 1>who was just kind of going with the flow and

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<v Speaker 1>did not ask questions about who he was working for.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, he kept working and continued to find success

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<v Speaker 1>in Europe and then branching over into Hollywood. He signed

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<v Speaker 1>a deal with Universal in forty eight, starring in the

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<v Speaker 1>forty nine film Baghdad, alongside the likes of Marin O'Hara

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<v Speaker 1>and Vincent Price, all playing Middle Easterners, and did a

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<v Speaker 1>string of other big studio films, including nineteen fifty two's

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<v Speaker 1>No Time for Flowers, directed by Don Siegel. Other credits

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<v Speaker 1>include The Indian Tomb from fifty nine, The Day the

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<v Speaker 1>Sky Exploded from fifty eight, Oh Sounds, Explosive, Funeral in

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<v Speaker 1>Berlin from sixty six, and Skullduggery in seventy, a screwball

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<v Speaker 1>adventure movie starring Burt Reynolds that does not sound good,

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<v Speaker 1>looks like it has not aged well and probably came

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<v Speaker 1>out of the oven offensive. And then he was also

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<v Speaker 1>in the nineteen eighty eight German language horror movie Broken Silence.

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<v Speaker 2>When I was watching this, I wondered if I was

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<v Speaker 2>subconsciously holding his accent against him. I hope that's not it,

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<v Speaker 2>But he just like he wasn't totally selling the movie

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<v Speaker 2>for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh really, I found his accent charming. I think I

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<v Speaker 1>like that. Like he's, for the most part, very much

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<v Speaker 1>by appearances, your square jaw protagonist from an early fifties film,

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<v Speaker 1>Like he's very definitely definitely fits the mold in pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much every imaginable way. On that front, but his accent

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<v Speaker 1>I felt like, gave him like maybe a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of charm where I was like, oh, this is this

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<v Speaker 1>is not just an American monster movie. This is this

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<v Speaker 1>is a you know, a Transatlantic monster movie. This is

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<v Speaker 1>a you know, it has a little bit of European

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<v Speaker 1>flare to it.

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<v Speaker 2>Even. Yeah. So he's supposed to be a nuclear physicist

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<v Speaker 2>who exactly what his relationship is to his work is

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<v Speaker 2>not totally clear, And some of the monologues in the movie,

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<v Speaker 2>his character seems to be kind of ambivalent or even

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<v Speaker 2>kind of negative about what nuclear technology means. Other Times

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<v Speaker 2>he's like talking about how he's paving the way for tomorrow,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, he's like that he's talking about the

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<v Speaker 2>curative properties of the radioactive isotope. So I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like there's some ambivalence in the way that

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<v Speaker 2>the character is realized. But also, as I said, I

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<v Speaker 2>was saying, I hope it wasn't the accent was making

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<v Speaker 2>me feel this, but something about him was awkward for me.

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<v Speaker 2>It didn't totally click.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, all right, well that's like him or not. That's

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<v Speaker 1>her character and the love interest. The supporting character here

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<v Speaker 1>is the character Lee Hunter. And she is played by

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<v Speaker 1>Paula Raymond, who live nineteen twenty four through two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and three, American actress with credits going back to thirty eight.

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<v Speaker 1>She acted in a variety of genres, including noir such

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<v Speaker 1>as fifty threes City That Never Sleeps, westerns such as

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<v Speaker 1>fifties Devil's Doorway, as well as romance. Her other horror

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<v Speaker 1>and sci fi credits include sixty two's Hand of Death,

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<v Speaker 1>starring John Agar as a monster that looks an awful lot.

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<v Speaker 1>People have commented on this like Marvel's Thing, who debuted

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<v Speaker 1>in the pages of Marvel Comics the year before, and

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<v Speaker 1>then she's also in sixty nine's Blood of Dracula's Castle

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<v Speaker 1>with John Caradine.

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<v Speaker 2>I like her. She's fun when she shows up, though

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<v Speaker 2>you do kind of get the feeling with her character

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<v Speaker 2>that like, so she shows up when Nesbit is like,

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen a monster, nobody will believe me, and she's like,

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<v Speaker 2>well you're handsome, I believe you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Yeah, there is that. It's it's a mix of

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<v Speaker 1>things here with this the way this character is presented,

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<v Speaker 1>because she's presented as a confident female scientist, which is great,

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<v Speaker 1>but on the other hand, she's still fetching coffee and

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<v Speaker 1>kissing old men on the cheek before there are only

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<v Speaker 1>the lips before they get into the bathosphere. So you

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<v Speaker 1>know it's a mixed bag here.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>She makes some little sandwiches with the crusts cut off

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<v Speaker 2>while they're trying to do their research.

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<v Speaker 1>You need that crust for the research, though, I think

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<v Speaker 1>doing them a disservice.

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<v Speaker 2>Are they five years old? While don't they leave the

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<v Speaker 2>crusts on?

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<v Speaker 1>I will say she is very stylishly dressed. There's one

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<v Speaker 1>scene where she's wearing this black like this big black

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<v Speaker 1>coat with a big, wide white collar, and you know

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<v Speaker 1>this is a big this is a monster movie, so

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<v Speaker 1>you know, certainly I was poking the person to me

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<v Speaker 1>and say, you're looking at this monster. But in a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of these scenes, I'm like, are you looking at

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<v Speaker 1>this coat? This is incredible. It looks amazing on the

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<v Speaker 1>big screen.

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<v Speaker 2>I enjoyed her wardrobe. But in the first scene where

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<v Speaker 2>we meet her, she's got the Is that the scene

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<v Speaker 2>in the paleontologist's office where she's ring like a trench

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<v Speaker 2>coat over there? I don't know. I don't know yet.

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<v Speaker 1>She's also wearing more of like a beige trench coat

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<v Speaker 1>and another scene, but in general, just you know, very

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<v Speaker 1>well costumed.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, I think she gets to be the only character

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<v Speaker 2>in the movie who expresses care or concern for another character.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, it's that like she she's she's the

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<v Speaker 2>person who gets to grieve when Elson gets eaten by

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<v Speaker 2>the monster. The rest of the movie is very it's

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<v Speaker 2>very process and action oriented. She's one of the only

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<v Speaker 2>characters who gets to have emotional reflection on the proceedings.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's a good point. Well, let's talk about Professor

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<v Speaker 1>Elson or the Professor, the aged Professor, much beloved professor

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<v Speaker 1>that is also part of the monster investigation. Played by

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<v Speaker 1>Cecil Calaway lived eighteen ninety through nineteen seventy three South

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<v Speaker 1>African British character actor who started out in Australian theater

0:25:06.359 --> 0:25:09.280
<v Speaker 1>in film in the thirties before making them move to Hollywood.

0:25:09.640 --> 0:25:12.240
<v Speaker 1>Two time Oscar nominee for forty nine's The Luck of

0:25:12.240 --> 0:25:15.399
<v Speaker 1>the Irish and sixty eights Guess Who's Coming to Dinner?

0:25:15.760 --> 0:25:19.800
<v Speaker 1>Replayed the Monsignor character in that. His other films include

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<v Speaker 1>The Invisible Man Returns and The Mummy's Hand from nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>forty and Hush, hush, sweet Charlotte in nineteen sixty four.

0:25:27.119 --> 0:25:28.840
<v Speaker 2>Well, I like this guy. He was, you know what.

0:25:28.880 --> 0:25:30.679
<v Speaker 2>They set it up like the cop movie, like he

0:25:30.760 --> 0:25:33.600
<v Speaker 2>was two days away from retirement. Except this guy's thing

0:25:33.720 --> 0:25:35.920
<v Speaker 2>is he was like two days away from his first

0:25:35.920 --> 0:25:36.680
<v Speaker 2>ever vacation.

0:25:38.320 --> 0:25:42.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's a very likable, grandfatherly character, and it was funny.

0:25:42.720 --> 0:25:46.520
<v Speaker 1>I saw this with my family and afterwards I was

0:25:46.560 --> 0:25:49.400
<v Speaker 1>asking my kid what they thought about it, and they mentioned,

0:25:49.440 --> 0:25:52.119
<v Speaker 1>and to be clear, like they've seen Aliens at this point,

0:25:52.200 --> 0:25:55.479
<v Speaker 1>and various other films. They watched Stranger Things. It's not

0:25:55.520 --> 0:25:59.359
<v Speaker 1>like they've only seen films in which the endings are

0:25:59.480 --> 0:26:03.359
<v Speaker 1>super happ but they were like, oh, yeah, I thought

0:26:03.359 --> 0:26:05.080
<v Speaker 1>that they were going to cut open the beast at

0:26:05.080 --> 0:26:07.120
<v Speaker 1>the end of the film and find the Bathisphere and

0:26:07.359 --> 0:26:09.680
<v Speaker 1>he was going to be all right. And that obviously

0:26:09.800 --> 0:26:12.000
<v Speaker 1>does not happen, but I can understand, like what the

0:26:12.080 --> 0:26:14.920
<v Speaker 1>characters presented in such a sweet way, and then he's

0:26:15.000 --> 0:26:17.960
<v Speaker 1>just totally destroyed, you kind of, I guess they're holding

0:26:18.000 --> 0:26:18.440
<v Speaker 1>out hope.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, if the Bathisphere had had its own

0:26:21.800 --> 0:26:26.000
<v Speaker 2>internal oxygen supply, m this may be conceivable. I don't

0:26:26.000 --> 0:26:27.639
<v Speaker 2>think it did I think they had an air hose

0:26:27.680 --> 0:26:28.400
<v Speaker 2>from the surface.

0:26:28.640 --> 0:26:30.919
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah. Or of course, then you get into a

0:26:30.920 --> 0:26:33.240
<v Speaker 1>weird area. If he's in there, that's a whole second

0:26:33.240 --> 0:26:36.320
<v Speaker 1>movie where he's communicating to the outside. It's like innerspace,

0:26:37.440 --> 0:26:40.040
<v Speaker 1>except he's in a dinosaur.

0:26:39.880 --> 0:26:42.200
<v Speaker 2>Like he still got that phone and he's making calls

0:26:42.200 --> 0:26:44.440
<v Speaker 2>from inside this Yes, the monster.

0:26:44.240 --> 0:26:48.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm almost out of coffee. Yeah. All right. So those

0:26:48.560 --> 0:26:50.800
<v Speaker 1>are I guess are three main characters, but we have

0:26:51.040 --> 0:26:54.000
<v Speaker 1>we have some other supporting characters. Want to mention real quick.

0:26:54.600 --> 0:26:57.960
<v Speaker 1>There's Colonel Jack Evans and he was played by Kenneth Toby,

0:26:58.000 --> 0:27:00.840
<v Speaker 1>who of nineteen seventeen through two thousand and two. If

0:27:00.840 --> 0:27:04.200
<v Speaker 1>that square jaw and no nonsense demeanor seems familiar, it's

0:27:04.240 --> 0:27:06.919
<v Speaker 1>because he was the lead in nineteen fifty one's The

0:27:07.000 --> 0:27:09.600
<v Speaker 1>Thing from Another World, which of course covered on Weird

0:27:09.600 --> 0:27:10.439
<v Speaker 1>House Cinema.

0:27:10.520 --> 0:27:13.600
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, this guy was ready to punch a communist

0:27:13.680 --> 0:27:15.320
<v Speaker 2>at a moment's notice.

0:27:15.560 --> 0:27:19.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, he's got a signature, signature face. You recognize

0:27:19.440 --> 0:27:21.760
<v Speaker 1>him once you start looking for him. He was also

0:27:21.880 --> 0:27:24.639
<v Speaker 1>in fifty fives. It Came from Beneath the Sea. Just

0:27:24.680 --> 0:27:26.760
<v Speaker 1>a ton of TV and film credits going back to

0:27:26.760 --> 0:27:30.040
<v Speaker 1>I think nineteen forty five. And in his later career

0:27:30.080 --> 0:27:32.119
<v Speaker 1>he did a lot of cameos. So there were a

0:27:32.119 --> 0:27:34.280
<v Speaker 1>lot of like, you know, new and up and coming

0:27:34.280 --> 0:27:37.320
<v Speaker 1>directors who grew up on some of these old fifties pictures,

0:27:37.800 --> 0:27:40.680
<v Speaker 1>including Joe Dante. So he pops up in The Howling

0:27:41.119 --> 0:27:45.600
<v Speaker 1>Grimlins two Inner Space, and he even cameos unrelated to

0:27:45.680 --> 0:27:49.760
<v Speaker 1>Joe Dante in hell Raiser Bloodline. Mmm, okay, yeah, which

0:27:49.840 --> 0:27:52.480
<v Speaker 1>I think he's a priest on a hologram. Still a

0:27:52.560 --> 0:27:53.800
<v Speaker 1>tempted to come back to that one.

0:27:54.960 --> 0:27:56.560
<v Speaker 2>Wait a minute, is that the one that's got the

0:27:56.640 --> 0:27:59.080
<v Speaker 2>segment different segments in time? There's like one on a

0:27:59.080 --> 0:27:59.760
<v Speaker 2>space station.

0:28:00.119 --> 0:28:03.920
<v Speaker 1>One in the past, Yes, yes, the past, the future,

0:28:04.359 --> 0:28:05.280
<v Speaker 1>Adam Scott.

0:28:05.640 --> 0:28:10.320
<v Speaker 2>It's got little baby Adam Scott. He's in like seventeenth

0:28:10.359 --> 0:28:11.200
<v Speaker 2>century clothing.

0:28:11.359 --> 0:28:15.840
<v Speaker 1>I think, so, yeah, he's in the past. All right,

0:28:16.080 --> 0:28:19.760
<v Speaker 1>let's say moving along, We've got Captain Phil Jackson played

0:28:19.760 --> 0:28:22.080
<v Speaker 1>by Donald Woods, who have nineteen oh six through nineteen

0:28:22.160 --> 0:28:25.520
<v Speaker 1>ninety eight Canadian born actor whose credits include nineteen sixties

0:28:25.560 --> 0:28:28.880
<v Speaker 1>Thirteen Ghosts and nineteen sixty nine's True Grit.

0:28:29.160 --> 0:28:30.000
<v Speaker 2>And then we.

0:28:29.960 --> 0:28:32.600
<v Speaker 1>Also have a character by the name of Corporal Stone.

0:28:32.960 --> 0:28:35.160
<v Speaker 1>Corporal Stone is going to come into play pretty late

0:28:35.200 --> 0:28:38.440
<v Speaker 1>in the picture, but he is played by Lee van Cleef,

0:28:38.520 --> 0:28:40.920
<v Speaker 1>who lived nineteen twenty five through nineteen eighty nine, only

0:28:40.960 --> 0:28:44.320
<v Speaker 1>a year into his film and TV career, coming off

0:28:44.360 --> 0:28:47.280
<v Speaker 1>of small roles in such films as fifty two's High

0:28:47.360 --> 0:28:51.160
<v Speaker 1>Noon his earliest credit. He was in his late twenties

0:28:51.200 --> 0:28:54.240
<v Speaker 1>at the time. So a very small but pivotal role

0:28:54.320 --> 0:28:57.400
<v Speaker 1>here in which old angel Eyes really gets to shine.

0:28:57.640 --> 0:28:59.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he plays a crack shot, right. They bring him

0:28:59.720 --> 0:29:02.160
<v Speaker 2>into to slay the Beast because he's the best with

0:29:02.200 --> 0:29:02.720
<v Speaker 2>a rifle.

0:29:03.120 --> 0:29:05.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he is essentially barred the bowman from The Hobbit

0:29:06.280 --> 0:29:08.400
<v Speaker 1>and all that. We'll dwell on this a bit more

0:29:08.440 --> 0:29:11.360
<v Speaker 1>when we start talking about the scene. But yeah, he

0:29:11.480 --> 0:29:15.160
<v Speaker 1>is the sharpshooter brought in to use a special weapon

0:29:15.440 --> 0:29:18.840
<v Speaker 1>against the Giant Monster's one week point.

0:29:18.560 --> 0:29:21.480
<v Speaker 2>Which came first this movie or The Hobbit. I don't

0:29:21.480 --> 0:29:22.960
<v Speaker 2>know when the Hobbit was first published.

0:29:23.280 --> 0:29:26.360
<v Speaker 1>Well, the Hobbit was first published in thirty seven.

0:29:26.360 --> 0:29:30.680
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so it wouldn't be that Beast inspired.

0:29:30.200 --> 0:29:34.280
<v Speaker 1>The no, But it's also not necessarily the fact that

0:29:34.800 --> 0:29:38.360
<v Speaker 1>the Hobbit inspired the beast, because, as I'll get into

0:29:38.440 --> 0:29:41.560
<v Speaker 1>later in the episode, the trope of a hero using

0:29:41.600 --> 0:29:44.280
<v Speaker 1>a special weapon to slay the monster by hitting a

0:29:44.400 --> 0:29:47.520
<v Speaker 1>very specific spot on its body is basically one of

0:29:47.520 --> 0:29:50.520
<v Speaker 1>the oldest stories in human mythology. So we have multiple

0:29:50.520 --> 0:29:53.840
<v Speaker 1>examples we can point to and works of ancient literature

0:29:54.120 --> 0:29:57.680
<v Speaker 1>in which this exact same thing happened. So I think

0:29:57.760 --> 0:30:00.520
<v Speaker 1>it's it may be it maybe have been a case

0:30:00.520 --> 0:30:02.760
<v Speaker 1>where they were inspired by the Hobbit, but just as

0:30:02.920 --> 0:30:06.720
<v Speaker 1>likely that it's just this is a very human story

0:30:06.760 --> 0:30:09.240
<v Speaker 1>about people standing up to monsters.

0:30:09.600 --> 0:30:11.760
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, I guess the other big point of

0:30:11.760 --> 0:30:14.680
<v Speaker 2>comparison is that it's a character who shows up late

0:30:14.720 --> 0:30:16.880
<v Speaker 2>in the story. It's not like the hero for the

0:30:16.920 --> 0:30:19.760
<v Speaker 2>whole time is the one who makes the strike at

0:30:19.760 --> 0:30:20.400
<v Speaker 2>the weak point.

0:30:20.560 --> 0:30:22.400
<v Speaker 1>That's true, yeah, because I think in many of the

0:30:22.440 --> 0:30:24.560
<v Speaker 1>other examples, it's like you're gonna have a key hero

0:30:24.600 --> 0:30:26.920
<v Speaker 1>who it's like, oh yeah, we don't have to bring

0:30:26.960 --> 0:30:31.280
<v Speaker 1>an outsider in because our structural protagonist is already the

0:30:31.360 --> 0:30:34.600
<v Speaker 1>best shot within bow and Arrow in the entire world.

0:30:35.520 --> 0:30:37.280
<v Speaker 1>In this case, they're like, who can do this shot?

0:30:37.360 --> 0:30:40.760
<v Speaker 1>We got to bring into Lee van Cleef more on

0:30:40.800 --> 0:30:42.520
<v Speaker 1>that scene when we get to it, like he's part

0:30:42.520 --> 0:30:45.560
<v Speaker 1>of He's just one element in the fantastic finish to

0:30:45.600 --> 0:30:46.120
<v Speaker 1>this picture.

0:30:46.520 --> 0:30:48.080
<v Speaker 2>You know, he does the same thing at the end

0:30:48.120 --> 0:30:50.520
<v Speaker 2>of it Conquered the World, except instead of a rifle,

0:30:50.560 --> 0:30:53.239
<v Speaker 2>it's like a you know, a little butane torch. Oh

0:30:53.520 --> 0:30:55.400
<v Speaker 2>remember that. Yeah, we brings up to the art to

0:30:55.520 --> 0:30:56.040
<v Speaker 2>choke with it.

0:30:56.320 --> 0:30:59.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we talked about him previously in that episode and

0:31:00.800 --> 0:31:03.640
<v Speaker 1>a much different character like he's because he's he's on

0:31:03.680 --> 0:31:05.360
<v Speaker 1>the side of the villains in that one for a

0:31:05.360 --> 0:31:07.640
<v Speaker 1>long time and then has a change of heart and

0:31:07.680 --> 0:31:11.520
<v Speaker 1>decides that space communism is bad. In this one, he's

0:31:11.560 --> 0:31:13.280
<v Speaker 1>just yeah, they just like, we need to bring in

0:31:13.440 --> 0:31:15.120
<v Speaker 1>a guy who really knows how to shoot, and they're

0:31:15.120 --> 0:31:16.719
<v Speaker 1>like here he is, and he's like, all right, I'm

0:31:16.760 --> 0:31:18.280
<v Speaker 1>up for the job. He pulls it off.

0:31:18.760 --> 0:31:21.200
<v Speaker 2>I don't remember them mentioning his name in the movie,

0:31:21.240 --> 0:31:22.240
<v Speaker 2>but I guess maybe they do.

0:31:22.880 --> 0:31:24.600
<v Speaker 1>Uh, you know, I don't remember as well. I was

0:31:24.600 --> 0:31:26.760
<v Speaker 1>more at that point in the film. I knew Lee

0:31:26.840 --> 0:31:28.640
<v Speaker 1>van Kleeff was going to be in it, and then

0:31:28.680 --> 0:31:30.520
<v Speaker 1>I forgot that who's going to be in it? And

0:31:30.600 --> 0:31:33.120
<v Speaker 1>the movie was about over and then suddenly they brought

0:31:33.160 --> 0:31:35.280
<v Speaker 1>him out and I was like, yes, he's finally here.

0:31:35.560 --> 0:31:37.520
<v Speaker 2>It took me a minute to recognize who he was,

0:31:37.560 --> 0:31:38.880
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, oh wait, that's him.

0:31:39.080 --> 0:31:39.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:31:39.360 --> 0:31:42.600
<v Speaker 2>Well they're getting the lead box out of the container.

0:31:42.680 --> 0:31:44.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, it's like what you got here? A monster? Yeah,

0:31:44.680 --> 0:31:47.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna shoot that, which his whole vibe. He's cool,

0:31:48.640 --> 0:31:53.800
<v Speaker 1>all right. Technical effects created by, of course Ray Harry Housen,

0:31:53.840 --> 0:31:58.320
<v Speaker 1>who of nineteen twenty through twenty thirteen American British Oscar

0:31:58.360 --> 0:32:02.959
<v Speaker 1>winning animator and special effect creator, major pioneer in the industry.

0:32:03.400 --> 0:32:05.280
<v Speaker 1>We talked about him before in the show because we

0:32:05.400 --> 0:32:08.920
<v Speaker 1>covered Clash of the Titans from nineteen eighty one, which

0:32:08.960 --> 0:32:13.800
<v Speaker 1>was essentially his swan song, but so many other films

0:32:13.840 --> 0:32:17.120
<v Speaker 1>in between that one and this one, and really, like again,

0:32:17.160 --> 0:32:20.520
<v Speaker 1>the effects in The Beast from twenty thousand fathoms absolutely

0:32:20.560 --> 0:32:25.120
<v Speaker 1>hold up. And you hear about fairly recent films, including

0:32:26.240 --> 0:32:30.959
<v Speaker 1>Peter Jackson's Hobbit adaptations. I'm to understand that in figuring

0:32:31.000 --> 0:32:33.800
<v Speaker 1>out how they were going to present Smog the Dragon

0:32:33.840 --> 0:32:36.240
<v Speaker 1>and animate Smog the Dragon like this was one of

0:32:36.280 --> 0:32:38.520
<v Speaker 1>the films they look back to look back to see

0:32:38.520 --> 0:32:42.080
<v Speaker 1>how Ray Harry Elsen brought a creature like this to life,

0:32:42.400 --> 0:32:45.160
<v Speaker 1>because it's one of these things. When you see it

0:32:45.200 --> 0:32:48.680
<v Speaker 1>on the screen, you admire it. But sometimes, like not

0:32:48.880 --> 0:32:51.640
<v Speaker 1>being in effects and not ever actually having tried to

0:32:51.680 --> 0:32:54.560
<v Speaker 1>create something like this, you maybe miss out on just

0:32:54.920 --> 0:32:58.520
<v Speaker 1>how sublime it really is. How this creature moves like

0:32:58.560 --> 0:33:03.000
<v Speaker 1>a creature. You know, it's a you can easily take

0:33:03.040 --> 0:33:06.400
<v Speaker 1>it all for granted because the magic is absolutely working totally.

0:33:06.480 --> 0:33:10.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think it looks excellent. You know, I've said

0:33:10.240 --> 0:33:12.080
<v Speaker 2>many times on the show how much of a sucker

0:33:12.080 --> 0:33:15.560
<v Speaker 2>I am for Ray Harry Housen and stop motion creature effects.

0:33:15.560 --> 0:33:19.280
<v Speaker 2>I love them. I really like them, even sometimes when

0:33:19.320 --> 0:33:22.200
<v Speaker 2>they're not great. There's just something about the texture of

0:33:22.240 --> 0:33:25.080
<v Speaker 2>the effects themselves I just find pleasing. And then when

0:33:25.080 --> 0:33:28.120
<v Speaker 2>they look really good, as this one does, it it's

0:33:28.160 --> 0:33:31.520
<v Speaker 2>even more of a treat. So yeah, I think they're

0:33:31.560 --> 0:33:33.480
<v Speaker 2>just great. You know. There were a lot of little

0:33:33.560 --> 0:33:38.720
<v Speaker 2>things where I felt like I noticed moments that resembled

0:33:38.960 --> 0:33:42.600
<v Speaker 2>different types of effects, maybe stop motion, maybe puppetry, maybe

0:33:42.600 --> 0:33:46.240
<v Speaker 2>computer effects from later movies, and I kept wondering or

0:33:46.280 --> 0:33:49.200
<v Speaker 2>those later movies calling back to this one, Like there's

0:33:49.240 --> 0:33:52.200
<v Speaker 2>one part where the creature eats a policeman in New

0:33:52.280 --> 0:33:55.000
<v Speaker 2>York here, and it was like, I was like, man,

0:33:55.120 --> 0:33:57.080
<v Speaker 2>that really looks like the first time the t Rex

0:33:57.120 --> 0:33:59.640
<v Speaker 2>eat somebody in Jurassic Park. I wonder if that was

0:33:59.680 --> 0:34:02.240
<v Speaker 2>in space Olberg's mind, where they like, I kind of

0:34:02.280 --> 0:34:05.320
<v Speaker 2>want to have this look like when the monster eads

0:34:05.320 --> 0:34:07.360
<v Speaker 2>somebody in Beasts from twenty thousand Fathoms.

0:34:07.400 --> 0:34:09.640
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I bet it was. I mean it is also,

0:34:09.680 --> 0:34:11.600
<v Speaker 1>of course the thing you would want a giant monster

0:34:11.719 --> 0:34:14.479
<v Speaker 1>to do. But yeah, yeah, I think it's probably hard

0:34:14.520 --> 0:34:17.600
<v Speaker 1>to overstate the importance of a film like this and

0:34:18.040 --> 0:34:19.120
<v Speaker 1>it effects history.

0:34:19.480 --> 0:34:22.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there was some visual signature in common there though,

0:34:22.760 --> 0:34:25.320
<v Speaker 2>with like the biting the top half of the body

0:34:25.360 --> 0:34:27.920
<v Speaker 2>and the legs sticking out and wiggling in a certain way.

0:34:28.960 --> 0:34:31.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, because this is a creature that is this

0:34:31.160 --> 0:34:33.279
<v Speaker 1>in effect a lizard, and there are aspects of a

0:34:33.320 --> 0:34:36.839
<v Speaker 1>lizard to its locomotion. But it also I think it's

0:34:36.840 --> 0:34:39.600
<v Speaker 1>clear that that Harry Housen was looking at other animals

0:34:39.600 --> 0:34:41.360
<v Speaker 1>as well and determining like how he was going to

0:34:41.440 --> 0:34:43.879
<v Speaker 1>animate it and how it was going to move. And

0:34:44.120 --> 0:34:45.759
<v Speaker 1>when we've talked a little bit about that, I think

0:34:45.960 --> 0:34:48.480
<v Speaker 1>in previous episodes about how like he would go to

0:34:48.480 --> 0:34:51.600
<v Speaker 1>the zoo and watch animals move around and to figure

0:34:51.600 --> 0:34:53.960
<v Speaker 1>out exactly how he was going to animate things. So

0:34:54.000 --> 0:34:58.560
<v Speaker 1>he really put in the work here. But to your point, though,

0:34:59.400 --> 0:35:02.080
<v Speaker 1>whether it's Harry Housen's work or anyone else's, like when

0:35:02.400 --> 0:35:06.440
<v Speaker 1>stop motion effects or puppetry effects practical effects when they

0:35:06.480 --> 0:35:09.520
<v Speaker 1>are less than perfect, yes they can be hilarious, but

0:35:09.560 --> 0:35:12.759
<v Speaker 1>they can also still absolutely resonate on this level that

0:35:12.880 --> 0:35:15.200
<v Speaker 1>it is a form of puppetry. It is this form

0:35:15.239 --> 0:35:19.160
<v Speaker 1>of human storytelling that has very much been in play

0:35:19.200 --> 0:35:22.719
<v Speaker 1>as a medium throughout our history as a species.

0:35:23.160 --> 0:35:26.279
<v Speaker 2>As I often say on here, stop motion effects don't

0:35:26.360 --> 0:35:29.680
<v Speaker 2>have to look realistic to look great. You know, there

0:35:29.680 --> 0:35:33.200
<v Speaker 2>are two different dimensions of like how well realized the

0:35:33.239 --> 0:35:37.400
<v Speaker 2>effects are. One element is kind of realism blending in

0:35:37.440 --> 0:35:40.279
<v Speaker 2>with the human action or the backdrop or whatever. But

0:35:40.320 --> 0:35:42.680
<v Speaker 2>then there's a whole other dimension that's just kind of

0:35:43.440 --> 0:35:48.200
<v Speaker 2>artistic pleasingness that doesn't really correlate necessarily with it looking

0:35:48.360 --> 0:35:49.200
<v Speaker 2>like real life.

0:35:49.640 --> 0:35:53.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, absolutely, all right. Finally, the music here is

0:35:54.280 --> 0:35:57.520
<v Speaker 1>by David Buttoff, who we've mentioned before. Butt Off lived

0:35:57.600 --> 0:36:00.879
<v Speaker 1>nineteen oh two through nineteen eighty three imposer who also

0:36:00.880 --> 0:36:04.799
<v Speaker 1>did Hitchcock's Rope forty eight thirty nine's The Gorilla That's

0:36:04.840 --> 0:36:07.600
<v Speaker 1>Not Hitchcock, And we previously mentioned him for his score

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<v Speaker 1>to nineteen fifty three's House of Wax.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, are you ready to talk about the plot?

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<v Speaker 1>Let's do it.

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<v Speaker 2>So the title appears in this movie over a whirlpool

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<v Speaker 2>water spiraling down a drain, and this in the credits

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<v Speaker 2>here is when we get that note that this was

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<v Speaker 2>inspired by the Saturday Evening Post story by Ray Bradbury.

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<v Speaker 2>So at the beginning of the movie, a voiceover monologue

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<v Speaker 2>sets up the action while we watch footage of workers

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<v Speaker 2>moving cargo around on an airfield in the far North

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<v Speaker 2>with these twin engine propeller planes lined up into the distance.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was actually kind of curious about a air

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<v Speaker 2>you know, aerospace technology question. Did you notice all these

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<v Speaker 2>big hoses they were running from machines on the ground

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<v Speaker 2>up into the airplane engines. I was wondering, are these heaters?

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<v Speaker 2>Are they blowing hot air into the engines before the

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<v Speaker 2>planes take off, maybe to prevent them from icing or something.

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<v Speaker 1>That would make sense, But yeah, I don't know for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I don't know either. I wondered what that was.

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<v Speaker 2>Folks out there, if you know what's going on there

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<v Speaker 2>right in contact at stuff to blow yourmind dot com. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>the narrator sets up what's going on here. The narrator says,

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<v Speaker 2>this is Operation Experiment. Experiment is the name of the operation.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they should have workshopped at a bit more, but

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<v Speaker 1>fair enough.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, this is Operation Experiment, a secret base far north

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<v Speaker 2>of the Arctic Circle. Experiment was the code name for

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<v Speaker 2>a top priority scientific expedition. These men arrived here on

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<v Speaker 2>X day minus sixty. It has taken them the full

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<v Speaker 2>two months to get ready. Today is X day. It

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<v Speaker 2>is now h hour minus fifty nine minutes. There is

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<v Speaker 2>less than an hour.

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<v Speaker 1>Lefe left a lot of babel to get through. But okay,

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<v Speaker 1>something technical is happening.

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<v Speaker 2>I like how it does the math for us. So

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<v Speaker 2>at h our minus fifty nine minutes, that means there's

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<v Speaker 2>less than an hour. Oh okay, thanks. So now we

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<v Speaker 2>see the airplanes that we saw earlier. They're like getting

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<v Speaker 2>ready to go. So the engines are running, they're preparing

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<v Speaker 2>for takeoff. And I thought it was kind of cool

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<v Speaker 2>here to notice that instead of wheels at the bottom

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<v Speaker 2>of the landing gear, they have skis, I guess because

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<v Speaker 2>they're out on these ice fields. And the narrator goes

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<v Speaker 2>on to say, the plane must arrive at its rendezvous

0:38:33.920 --> 0:38:37.359
<v Speaker 2>two hundred miles away in exactly fifty eight minutes. There

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<v Speaker 2>can be no room for error, there can be no

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<v Speaker 2>second chance. So then the plane takes off. We see

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<v Speaker 2>this big radar aerial spinning on top of a metal tower,

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<v Speaker 2>and it goes on narrating about like, here's the rendezvous,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's doing more of the countdown, here's for the

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<v Speaker 2>scientists or double checking their equipment, and we see shots

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<v Speaker 2>of inside a facility where a bunch of men dressed

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<v Speaker 2>for cold weather are looking through instation. They're doing calculations

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<v Speaker 2>on paper with like you know, a pencil and compass

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<v Speaker 2>and a straight edge and all that. And then we

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<v Speaker 2>see eventually the radar operators kicking into action. They detect

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<v Speaker 2>the airplane and they get on the radio and they

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<v Speaker 2>report its heading. And then outside on the ice we

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<v Speaker 2>see men in fur lined jackets and boots standing around

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<v Speaker 2>with binoculars watching the sky. The narrator says, every man

0:39:25.239 --> 0:39:28.840
<v Speaker 2>here knows his job he does it quickly, efficiently, silently.

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<v Speaker 2>The men are ready, the equipment is ready. We're like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>what is it.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what it is, but I guess I'm

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<v Speaker 1>feel confident about the people doing it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So the countdown continues, The narrator goes on building

0:39:42.000 --> 0:39:45.960
<v Speaker 2>up the tension. People are standing around waiting. Then we

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<v Speaker 2>get the final countdown from ten down to one, three

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<v Speaker 2>to one, and it's a nuclear explosion. So there is

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<v Speaker 2>a blinding flash of light, a mushroom cloud blooming up

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<v Speaker 2>into the sky, and then lots of footage of I mayhem.

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<v Speaker 2>So we see glaciers calving off and dropping sheets of

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<v Speaker 2>ice into the sea. There are icebergs that split in

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<v Speaker 2>half and then crumble into the water, all kinds of

0:40:10.960 --> 0:40:14.360
<v Speaker 2>like ice crumbling and falling. So we have just witnessed

0:40:14.400 --> 0:40:19.240
<v Speaker 2>a nuclear test conducted somewhere over a northern polar ice sheet.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it seems fine, probably won't be related to anything

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<v Speaker 1>else in the plot. That the world absolutely will be

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<v Speaker 1>the same. Let's see what happens.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So the radar operators flag something weird right after

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<v Speaker 2>the blast. They say they detect a foreign object, and

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<v Speaker 2>one of them says it's silhouetted like five hundred tons

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<v Speaker 2>at least, but by the time they call the superiors over,

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<v Speaker 2>the object is gone without a trace. So after the

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<v Speaker 2>test we join a couple of guys in charge here

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<v Speaker 2>reflecting on the successful detonation. This is Colonel Jack Evans

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<v Speaker 2>played by Kenneth Toby and Professor Tom Nesbitt played by

0:40:55.640 --> 0:40:59.960
<v Speaker 2>Paul Christian or Paul Hugh Schmidt, but billed as Paul Christian.

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<v Speaker 2>And so the colonel comments with some amusement that they

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<v Speaker 2>spend eight weeks preparing for this kind of test and

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<v Speaker 2>then it's all over in a second. But then Nesbit

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<v Speaker 2>comes back with some opposing consideration. He says, quote, when

0:41:14.000 --> 0:41:17.680
<v Speaker 2>energy of that magnitude is released, it's never over. What

0:41:17.800 --> 0:41:21.120
<v Speaker 2>the cumulative effects of all these atomic explosions and tests

0:41:21.160 --> 0:41:25.080
<v Speaker 2>will be only time can tell. And then the Colonel's like,

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<v Speaker 2>what you mean, Scientists don't know, You don't know the

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<v Speaker 2>answer to everything, And Nesbit goes on. He's like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the world's been here for millions of years,

0:41:33.840 --> 0:41:36.839
<v Speaker 2>man's been walking upright for a comparatively short amount of

0:41:36.840 --> 0:41:41.080
<v Speaker 2>that time. Mentally, we're still crawling, he says. And then

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<v Speaker 2>after this there is I thought a one two punch

0:41:44.280 --> 0:41:47.160
<v Speaker 2>of dialogue that for me, like the first line lands

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<v Speaker 2>great and the second not so good. So there's another

0:41:50.480 --> 0:41:55.200
<v Speaker 2>professor nearby named George Ritchie who comments that quote every

0:41:55.200 --> 0:41:57.480
<v Speaker 2>time one of these things goes off. I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>we're helping to write the first chapter of a newt Genesis.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the second line from Nesbit is he says,

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<v Speaker 2>let's hope we're not writing the last chapter of the

0:42:06.680 --> 0:42:09.600
<v Speaker 2>old one. That was like the last chapter of the

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<v Speaker 2>Old Genesis. That's like I had to look it up.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, that's the death of Joseph. Like I think

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<v Speaker 2>what he must mean is the Book of Revelation, not

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<v Speaker 2>the last chapter of.

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<v Speaker 1>That would make But yeah, it's the line is written

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<v Speaker 1>or delivered in a way here that doesn't specify that

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<v Speaker 1>like it should. So it sounds like these guys have

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<v Speaker 1>just had nothing to read but the Bible. Up here,

0:42:29.080 --> 0:42:31.719
<v Speaker 1>they're about to list launch and do a very nuanced

0:42:31.719 --> 0:42:34.560
<v Speaker 1>discussion of Old Testament literature.

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<v Speaker 2>The Gideons left Bibles and they're beside all of their

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<v Speaker 2>ice field sleeping bags, and yeah, they've been really getting

0:42:41.600 --> 0:42:44.680
<v Speaker 2>into it anyway. So the scientists after this, they're going

0:42:44.719 --> 0:42:47.040
<v Speaker 2>to take some readings. They load up onto a motorized

0:42:47.080 --> 0:42:50.080
<v Speaker 2>ice tractor and they head to the forward observation post.

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<v Speaker 2>They promised to turn back when their Geiger counters start

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<v Speaker 2>going berserk. So out on the ice, the mood is

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<v Speaker 2>very eerie. There's soft music and the wind is whipped,

0:43:00.600 --> 0:43:03.960
<v Speaker 2>and while the scientists are away from the vehicle taking

0:43:04.040 --> 0:43:07.000
<v Speaker 2>readings from their instruments, a blizzard starts coming on, so

0:43:07.080 --> 0:43:11.400
<v Speaker 2>the two scientists become separated. And then through a narrow

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<v Speaker 2>gap in some tall sort of columns of ice, one

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<v Speaker 2>of the scientists, Professor Ritchie, sees something shocking, a giant, black,

0:43:21.120 --> 0:43:24.560
<v Speaker 2>scaly figure moving quickly, like what on earth was that?

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<v Speaker 2>Richie calls out for Nesbit, but no one can hear

0:43:27.960 --> 0:43:30.600
<v Speaker 2>him through the wind, so he climbs up on a steep,

0:43:30.840 --> 0:43:33.680
<v Speaker 2>icy hillside and then there at the top he sees

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<v Speaker 2>in all its glory, the monster of the movie, which

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<v Speaker 2>will later be called the Ritosaurus. So the monster of

0:43:40.920 --> 0:43:46.600
<v Speaker 2>the movie is a giant quadrupedal lizard shaped dinosaur with

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<v Speaker 2>pebbled skin and sharp teeth. It does a dorsal crest

0:43:50.760 --> 0:43:55.160
<v Speaker 2>running down its back with these small triangular sail shaped spines.

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<v Speaker 2>It has very mean looking eyes, small, cold, eight full eyes,

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<v Speaker 2>and it walks on four feet, but it has an

0:44:04.000 --> 0:44:07.360
<v Speaker 2>upturned posture like some lizards do, usually kind of raised

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<v Speaker 2>up higher in the front, as if it's somewhat kind

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<v Speaker 2>of proud. I don't know, robbed you of any other

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<v Speaker 2>comments to add on the monster design?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I would say, in addition to it just being

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<v Speaker 1>so very well executed, I would say it's general design

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<v Speaker 1>here it speaks to more what we would think of

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<v Speaker 1>as archaic paleo art, you know, like older depictions of

0:44:28.360 --> 0:44:30.960
<v Speaker 1>what dinosaurs might have looked like. And then there is

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<v Speaker 1>a definite there's a definite dash of you know, Saint

0:44:36.040 --> 0:44:38.040
<v Speaker 1>George and the dragon here, I said, I in the

0:44:38.080 --> 0:44:41.520
<v Speaker 1>sense that there's some you know, classical dragon illustration folded

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<v Speaker 1>into the into the design as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Now we didn't talk about this beforehand, so I may

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<v Speaker 2>be catching you off guard here, but it just occurred

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<v Speaker 2>to me. What do you think the difference in feeling

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<v Speaker 2>is with a prehistoric radioactive monster that walks on four

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<v Speaker 2>feet versus one that walks on So we will get

0:45:01.200 --> 0:45:04.600
<v Speaker 2>Godzilla a year later, who is who looks a lot

0:45:04.800 --> 0:45:07.960
<v Speaker 2>like this in many ways, similar kind of dark pebbled,

0:45:08.000 --> 0:45:12.680
<v Speaker 2>scaly skin texture, similar kind of dinosaur, you know, tyrannosaur

0:45:12.719 --> 0:45:17.520
<v Speaker 2>shaped head in a way. But Godzilla, of course is

0:45:17.680 --> 0:45:21.480
<v Speaker 2>firmly bipedal, walks on its two back legs. This monster

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<v Speaker 2>walks on four feet. Do you think that has a

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<v Speaker 2>significant difference in the feeling created?

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<v Speaker 1>I think so. I mean, I don't know how much

0:45:27.440 --> 0:45:30.040
<v Speaker 1>it was really in play at this point, but I

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<v Speaker 1>think having you know, comparing the two, a bipedal monster

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<v Speaker 1>is going to feel more human and maybe we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to be more inclined to give it human motivations and

0:45:40.719 --> 0:45:43.600
<v Speaker 1>see some sort of humanity within it, whereas a four

0:45:43.640 --> 0:45:46.600
<v Speaker 1>legged creature is more of a beast. That being said,

0:45:46.640 --> 0:45:49.880
<v Speaker 1>I think execution also plays a role here, because with

0:45:50.360 --> 0:45:53.400
<v Speaker 1>the excellent stop motion like this, you can have a

0:45:53.400 --> 0:45:56.719
<v Speaker 1>four legged creature that is brought perfectly to life and

0:45:56.719 --> 0:45:59.600
<v Speaker 1>you completely buy it as a four legged creature, whereas

0:46:00.239 --> 0:46:05.400
<v Speaker 1>in the Godzilla era when you do encounter quadrupedal monsters,

0:46:05.560 --> 0:46:07.800
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it is a man in a suit crawling

0:46:07.800 --> 0:46:12.319
<v Speaker 1>around on all fours, and you can suspend disbelief, but

0:46:12.360 --> 0:46:16.080
<v Speaker 1>that reality is going to be there on some level

0:46:16.160 --> 0:46:19.080
<v Speaker 1>or another for you. And I think That's why, while

0:46:19.120 --> 0:46:22.680
<v Speaker 1>you do find quadrupedal kaiju, a lot of kaiju are

0:46:22.719 --> 0:46:25.400
<v Speaker 1>going to be bipedal, or there's going to be some

0:46:25.400 --> 0:46:29.239
<v Speaker 1>sort of arrangement that is bipedal in basic structure and

0:46:29.280 --> 0:46:31.920
<v Speaker 1>in its actual performance elements.

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<v Speaker 2>I totally agree with what you're saying. The while the

0:46:35.719 --> 0:46:39.880
<v Speaker 2>characterization of Godzilla did change a lot over time, so

0:46:40.080 --> 0:46:43.640
<v Speaker 2>certainly they found characteristics of Godzilla much later on that

0:46:43.680 --> 0:46:46.400
<v Speaker 2>we're not there in the first movie. You can see

0:46:46.440 --> 0:46:51.200
<v Speaker 2>how the bipedal Godzilla turns into more of this protector

0:46:51.239 --> 0:46:55.359
<v Speaker 2>sort of human, you know, personality possessing character later on.

0:46:56.200 --> 0:46:59.160
<v Speaker 2>It's hard to imagine that with the Ritosaurus in this movie.

0:46:59.160 --> 0:47:02.680
<v Speaker 2>It's hard to imagine this thing ever becoming like having

0:47:02.680 --> 0:47:05.680
<v Speaker 2>a human intellect in the way that later Godzilla seems too.

0:47:06.080 --> 0:47:09.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I agree, But already the monster looks great here,

0:47:09.520 --> 0:47:11.880
<v Speaker 1>and in general, I just want to say that this

0:47:12.080 --> 0:47:16.480
<v Speaker 1>whole opening sequence in this snowy wasteland with a monster

0:47:16.600 --> 0:47:19.680
<v Speaker 1>stalking and you know, with me behind a fair amount

0:47:19.680 --> 0:47:22.680
<v Speaker 1>of like blizzardy weather, just looks really good. And we

0:47:22.800 --> 0:47:25.640
<v Speaker 1>get already getting a nice sense of tension and horror here.

0:47:26.239 --> 0:47:29.719
<v Speaker 2>Right, So the scientist Richie sees this beast and then

0:47:29.800 --> 0:47:32.280
<v Speaker 2>screams and falls backwards into a crevasse.

0:47:32.560 --> 0:47:36.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, right on his butt too. Got some mild laughter

0:47:36.480 --> 0:47:39.000
<v Speaker 1>from the audience, but also like it's it was an

0:47:39.000 --> 0:47:40.799
<v Speaker 1>impressive stunt, so it's like that looks like it hurt.

0:47:41.160 --> 0:47:44.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So eventually the other scientist, Tom Nesbit, comes to

0:47:45.000 --> 0:47:48.040
<v Speaker 2>the rescue and he finds his colleague granting deliriously about

0:47:48.040 --> 0:47:51.880
<v Speaker 2>a prehistoric monster. And then after climbing back out of

0:47:51.920 --> 0:47:55.000
<v Speaker 2>the crevass, Nesbit sees it too. He turns and he

0:47:55.040 --> 0:47:58.239
<v Speaker 2>sees the creature and the beast snarls as it kind

0:47:58.239 --> 0:48:01.239
<v Speaker 2>of whips over the lip of a nearby cliff, and

0:48:01.320 --> 0:48:05.080
<v Speaker 2>with its body it causes an avalanche that buries the

0:48:05.160 --> 0:48:10.319
<v Speaker 2>other scientist, Professor Ritchie in Ice. Then sometime later we

0:48:10.360 --> 0:48:12.840
<v Speaker 2>see Professor Nesbitt brought back to the base by a

0:48:12.920 --> 0:48:16.239
<v Speaker 2>rescue team, and the doctors conclude that he has to

0:48:16.280 --> 0:48:18.799
<v Speaker 2>be rushed back to a hospital in the States immediately,

0:48:19.560 --> 0:48:22.080
<v Speaker 2>So he's going to be taken back to New York eventually.

0:48:22.160 --> 0:48:24.080
<v Speaker 2>And then while they're waiting on a plane to take

0:48:24.120 --> 0:48:26.800
<v Speaker 2>him away, Nesbit mutters in his sleep about a monster.

0:48:27.360 --> 0:48:29.399
<v Speaker 2>I do think it's funny that. I don't know what

0:48:29.560 --> 0:48:33.480
<v Speaker 2>was New York the nearest hospital to where they I'm

0:48:33.520 --> 0:48:35.960
<v Speaker 2>surprised they didn't take him to like a base hospital,

0:48:36.000 --> 0:48:36.759
<v Speaker 2>so I don't know.

0:48:37.080 --> 0:48:39.120
<v Speaker 1>It seems like there would have been another option. But no,

0:48:39.440 --> 0:48:40.879
<v Speaker 1>we can take the plot right to New York.

0:48:41.120 --> 0:48:45.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, So we're in New York City now. At

0:48:45.080 --> 0:48:49.360
<v Speaker 2>the hospital, Nesbitt seems to be making a good physical recovery. Unfortunately,

0:48:49.480 --> 0:48:52.319
<v Speaker 2>he is suffering from what the staff believed to be

0:48:52.400 --> 0:48:56.640
<v Speaker 2>traumatic hallucinations, and they bring in a psychiatrist named doctor

0:48:56.760 --> 0:49:00.439
<v Speaker 2>Ingersoll to talk some sense into this raving madman. So

0:49:00.960 --> 0:49:04.480
<v Speaker 2>Ingersoll goes on a monologue about how like he sits

0:49:04.520 --> 0:49:07.120
<v Speaker 2>down next to Nesbit's hospital bed and he's like, let

0:49:07.120 --> 0:49:09.680
<v Speaker 2>me tell you about some other monsters people have claimed

0:49:09.800 --> 0:49:14.120
<v Speaker 2>to exist. There is the famous monster of Scotland, you know,

0:49:14.160 --> 0:49:17.560
<v Speaker 2>the lake Monster of Scotland, the loch Lomund Monster.

0:49:19.200 --> 0:49:21.960
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah, I ever heard of that one generic brand?

0:49:23.080 --> 0:49:23.680
<v Speaker 1>Is that? Really?

0:49:24.040 --> 0:49:25.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I tried to look it up, and

0:49:25.520 --> 0:49:28.120
<v Speaker 2>I was confused about whether the only references I was

0:49:28.160 --> 0:49:31.120
<v Speaker 2>seeing were from this movie or whether it's independently a thing.

0:49:31.200 --> 0:49:33.520
<v Speaker 2>I didn't have time to investigate. Fully, I don't know.

0:49:33.560 --> 0:49:35.319
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's been a long time since I've read

0:49:35.360 --> 0:49:38.239
<v Speaker 1>into many monsters of the Loch. But I mean, I

0:49:38.320 --> 0:49:42.040
<v Speaker 1>do know that there are various lake moderate monster traditions

0:49:42.480 --> 0:49:44.560
<v Speaker 1>in the British Isles, so I would not be shocked

0:49:44.600 --> 0:49:48.680
<v Speaker 1>if this were referring to some legitimate tradition or an

0:49:48.680 --> 0:49:49.359
<v Speaker 1>alternate name.

0:49:49.880 --> 0:49:52.000
<v Speaker 2>Could be a thing, but I'd never heard of it.

0:49:52.520 --> 0:49:55.960
<v Speaker 2>The other thing he brings up are those green serpents

0:49:56.040 --> 0:49:58.000
<v Speaker 2>off the coast of Ireland, and I was like, I

0:49:58.040 --> 0:49:59.720
<v Speaker 2>don't know what that is, but that makes me think.

0:49:59.600 --> 0:50:02.279
<v Speaker 1>Of gorg Oh yeah, yeah, foreshadowing.

0:50:02.719 --> 0:50:06.279
<v Speaker 2>So Colonel Jack Evans, remember the colonel. He shows up

0:50:06.320 --> 0:50:08.640
<v Speaker 2>at the hospital to convince his friend that there was

0:50:08.680 --> 0:50:10.680
<v Speaker 2>no monster. He says, he went out and he tried

0:50:10.680 --> 0:50:13.000
<v Speaker 2>to reconstruct the whole scene and there was no trace

0:50:13.040 --> 0:50:17.400
<v Speaker 2>of an animal like Nesbit described. But Nesbit is he's adamant.

0:50:17.440 --> 0:50:20.080
<v Speaker 2>He says, I was not hallucinating. The monster was there.

0:50:20.200 --> 0:50:22.120
<v Speaker 2>And you know what, there was a blizzard, so the

0:50:22.160 --> 0:50:24.520
<v Speaker 2>snow covered up the tracks and everything. That's why you're

0:50:24.560 --> 0:50:28.840
<v Speaker 2>not finding the evidence. Did you notice this set? I

0:50:28.880 --> 0:50:31.000
<v Speaker 2>was like, what is with the walls and the door,

0:50:31.239 --> 0:50:33.839
<v Speaker 2>like there's crown molding in here. It just didn't look

0:50:33.880 --> 0:50:36.080
<v Speaker 2>like a hospital room. It looked like somebody's house.

0:50:36.480 --> 0:50:38.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I did look ornate.

0:50:39.440 --> 0:50:44.080
<v Speaker 2>Anyway, we eventually start getting attack scenes where the creature

0:50:44.719 --> 0:50:47.800
<v Speaker 2>has made it out into the world and is attacking boats.

0:50:48.280 --> 0:50:50.560
<v Speaker 2>I think there is a scene very much like what's

0:50:50.560 --> 0:50:53.400
<v Speaker 2>coming up, a scene like this in the original Godzilla.

0:50:53.520 --> 0:50:57.120
<v Speaker 2>So it's a dark night, there's moonlight sparkling on the seawater.

0:50:57.480 --> 0:51:00.680
<v Speaker 2>You've got a grizzled boat captain and his rum soaked

0:51:00.680 --> 0:51:03.800
<v Speaker 2>first mate, and they're just staring down the dark waves.

0:51:03.800 --> 0:51:06.799
<v Speaker 2>And then suddenly the beast attacks the boat, kind of

0:51:06.840 --> 0:51:09.560
<v Speaker 2>fumes up out of the water, filled with hate, has

0:51:09.600 --> 0:51:13.160
<v Speaker 2>this horrible cruel look in its eye, and it smashes

0:51:13.200 --> 0:51:16.560
<v Speaker 2>the boat to pieces. And then meanwhile we cut back

0:51:16.600 --> 0:51:21.360
<v Speaker 2>to the hospital. Nesbit is getting his newspaper in the hospital.

0:51:22.000 --> 0:51:24.320
<v Speaker 2>He asks the nurse, you know what's in the paper today,

0:51:24.360 --> 0:51:27.360
<v Speaker 2>and the nurse says, death in politics. The comics page

0:51:27.400 --> 0:51:30.680
<v Speaker 2>is the only thing that makes sense anymore in this

0:51:30.760 --> 0:51:31.759
<v Speaker 2>crazy world.

0:51:32.680 --> 0:51:35.120
<v Speaker 1>Give me that, Marmaduke. Yeah, the only thing that's going

0:51:35.160 --> 0:51:36.320
<v Speaker 1>to make me feel better.

0:51:36.239 --> 0:51:39.520
<v Speaker 2>The only way to become saying once again is Marmaduke

0:51:40.000 --> 0:51:44.080
<v Speaker 2>gasoline ally, but he does not take her instruction. He

0:51:44.120 --> 0:51:46.560
<v Speaker 2>starts looking at the news part and what do you know,

0:51:46.680 --> 0:51:51.120
<v Speaker 2>there's a headline that says sea serpent reported off grand Banks. Well,

0:51:51.239 --> 0:51:53.960
<v Speaker 2>Nesbit is convinced. Now he's like, see, I told you

0:51:54.040 --> 0:51:57.200
<v Speaker 2>there is a sea serpent. That's the dinosaur I saw.

0:51:57.560 --> 0:52:00.840
<v Speaker 2>So Nesbit goes to the nearby Natural History Museum to

0:52:00.840 --> 0:52:04.080
<v Speaker 2>meet a new character. This is Professor Thurgood Elson, a

0:52:04.120 --> 0:52:10.319
<v Speaker 2>palaeontologist played by Cecil Kellaway. Nesbit wants Elson to authorize

0:52:10.360 --> 0:52:13.680
<v Speaker 2>an investigation to see if the creature awakened by the

0:52:13.719 --> 0:52:17.080
<v Speaker 2>atomic test in the North was a one hundred million

0:52:17.160 --> 0:52:22.120
<v Speaker 2>year old dinosaur. Elson quite reasonably has some objections to this.

0:52:22.640 --> 0:52:26.040
<v Speaker 2>He says, reports of sea monsters are very common, and

0:52:26.160 --> 0:52:29.640
<v Speaker 2>we don't believe all of them. Why do we have

0:52:29.719 --> 0:52:32.120
<v Speaker 2>reason to think that this one is the one that's true?

0:52:33.200 --> 0:52:36.399
<v Speaker 2>He says, dinosaurs have been extinct for millions of years.

0:52:36.440 --> 0:52:38.640
<v Speaker 2>It is not possible for them to still be alive.

0:52:39.680 --> 0:52:43.239
<v Speaker 2>And Nesbit says, but what if one was frozen in

0:52:43.360 --> 0:52:47.040
<v Speaker 2>ice the whole time? Don't bears hibernate over winter in

0:52:47.080 --> 0:52:50.600
<v Speaker 2>a state of suspended animation. Elson says, yes, they do

0:52:50.800 --> 0:52:53.840
<v Speaker 2>for one winter on food they have stored as body

0:52:53.840 --> 0:52:56.760
<v Speaker 2>fat from the previous summer. A hibernation of one hundred

0:52:56.800 --> 0:52:58.880
<v Speaker 2>million years would take quite an appetite.

0:52:59.200 --> 0:53:02.400
<v Speaker 1>It really sound like the screenwriters are talking themselves out

0:53:02.400 --> 0:53:03.399
<v Speaker 1>of the whole premise here.

0:53:03.560 --> 0:53:06.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, like the professor, the skeptical professors make a

0:53:06.600 --> 0:53:10.160
<v Speaker 2>lot of sense. But then from across the room, we

0:53:10.239 --> 0:53:12.640
<v Speaker 2>suddenly cut to a different character. There's a woman who's

0:53:12.640 --> 0:53:15.400
<v Speaker 2>been standing against the wall in this imposing looking kind

0:53:15.440 --> 0:53:18.680
<v Speaker 2>of trench coat with this like cape around it, and

0:53:18.719 --> 0:53:23.000
<v Speaker 2>she butts in. She says, Professor Elson, isn't it true

0:53:23.600 --> 0:53:27.680
<v Speaker 2>that ten thousand year old mammoths have been found perfectly

0:53:27.719 --> 0:53:31.560
<v Speaker 2>preserved in ice, with fur still intact and meat still edible?

0:53:32.480 --> 0:53:36.440
<v Speaker 2>So we're gonna learn this is Elson's assistant, Lee Hunter's

0:53:36.880 --> 0:53:42.959
<v Speaker 2>she's also a paleontologist, and Elson says yes, But nevertheless,

0:53:43.080 --> 0:53:46.120
<v Speaker 2>I do not buy nesbit story. Dinosaurs don't freeze for

0:53:46.239 --> 0:53:48.040
<v Speaker 2>millions of years and then come back to life.

0:53:48.360 --> 0:53:52.160
<v Speaker 1>It's been a while since I've researched mammoth that remains

0:53:52.200 --> 0:53:54.680
<v Speaker 1>found in the purple frost and so forth, But I

0:53:54.719 --> 0:53:59.560
<v Speaker 1>forget details about the meat being edible, But did they

0:53:59.600 --> 0:54:00.200
<v Speaker 1>eat the meat?

0:54:00.680 --> 0:54:03.880
<v Speaker 2>I mean, technically, is anything edible if somebody will eat it?

0:54:04.040 --> 0:54:06.480
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, I guess a note to self to do

0:54:06.560 --> 0:54:08.160
<v Speaker 1>more research on mammoth jerkey.

0:54:08.600 --> 0:54:10.279
<v Speaker 2>I feel like this has come up at some point.

0:54:10.320 --> 0:54:13.880
<v Speaker 2>Didn't we talk about a famous dinner at you like

0:54:13.960 --> 0:54:16.839
<v Speaker 2>the Explorers Club in New York where they where they

0:54:17.000 --> 0:54:20.160
<v Speaker 2>ate frozen mammoth remains or so that's.

0:54:20.080 --> 0:54:23.040
<v Speaker 1>Ringing a bell. That's ringing a bell. Okay, yeah, I

0:54:23.040 --> 0:54:23.879
<v Speaker 1>think you may be right.

0:54:31.920 --> 0:54:35.480
<v Speaker 2>So Nesbit leaves, and then Lee Hunter here tells Elson

0:54:36.480 --> 0:54:39.040
<v Speaker 2>when he first came to this country, I attended his

0:54:39.120 --> 0:54:42.680
<v Speaker 2>lectures on the curative properties of the radioactive isotope. He's

0:54:42.719 --> 0:54:45.920
<v Speaker 2>a brilliant man. Isn't his story in any way feasible?

0:54:46.080 --> 0:54:48.040
<v Speaker 2>So she's trying to find a way to get there,

0:54:48.640 --> 0:54:51.439
<v Speaker 2>but Elson says, nope, sorry. I like him, I want

0:54:51.440 --> 0:54:54.080
<v Speaker 2>to help him, but I just don't believe it. And

0:54:54.120 --> 0:54:56.960
<v Speaker 2>then also throughout the scene, they're talking about how Elson

0:54:57.080 --> 0:54:59.799
<v Speaker 2>is about to take his first vacation ever. I think

0:55:00.000 --> 0:55:02.959
<v Speaker 2>he's never been on vacation before. He's always been down

0:55:03.000 --> 0:55:04.920
<v Speaker 2>in his work, but now he's about to go to

0:55:05.120 --> 0:55:06.120
<v Speaker 2>somewhere on holiday.

0:55:06.200 --> 0:55:09.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, those vacation days rolled over. So he's about to Yeah,

0:55:09.480 --> 0:55:11.560
<v Speaker 1>he's about to go to I don't know, oh man,

0:55:11.600 --> 0:55:16.480
<v Speaker 1>Panama City for twelve months, I don't know, three years

0:55:16.480 --> 0:55:17.080
<v Speaker 1>of vacation.

0:55:18.400 --> 0:55:21.240
<v Speaker 2>So back at the hospital, Nesbit is licking his wounds.

0:55:21.800 --> 0:55:24.360
<v Speaker 2>And there's a funny thing that We've got radio announcers

0:55:24.520 --> 0:55:26.319
<v Speaker 2>that say a lot of funny stuff in this movie.

0:55:26.960 --> 0:55:29.919
<v Speaker 2>Hear what the radio announcer says is this is your

0:55:30.000 --> 0:55:33.040
<v Speaker 2>hour of mirth and melody. They say music has charms

0:55:33.080 --> 0:55:35.600
<v Speaker 2>to soothe the savage beast. They ought to try it

0:55:35.680 --> 0:55:39.360
<v Speaker 2>on these sea monsters we keep hearing about. From Marquette, Canada.

0:55:39.400 --> 0:55:42.080
<v Speaker 2>Today comes word of a second ship that was destroyed

0:55:42.080 --> 0:55:45.400
<v Speaker 2>by a beast. According to a captain, George LeMay, he

0:55:45.520 --> 0:55:49.360
<v Speaker 2>really ought to stop smoking that stuff and try Virginia Golds,

0:55:49.440 --> 0:55:53.680
<v Speaker 2>the sponsor of today's probably you know, so, I wonder

0:55:53.680 --> 0:55:55.799
<v Speaker 2>what that's rephras is in nineteen fifty three and he's

0:55:55.840 --> 0:55:59.240
<v Speaker 2>talking about smoking that stuff. Was that common parlance then about?

0:55:59.239 --> 0:56:01.759
<v Speaker 1>Oh? I don't know. Oh, you know, I will say

0:56:01.800 --> 0:56:05.080
<v Speaker 1>that one of the radio announcers in the film, uncredited

0:56:05.160 --> 0:56:06.880
<v Speaker 1>is MERV Griffin. But I don't know if this is

0:56:06.920 --> 0:56:09.279
<v Speaker 1>merv Griffin in this point at this point or not.

0:56:09.800 --> 0:56:15.560
<v Speaker 2>Could be so. Lee Hunter, the paleontologist, comes to Nesbit's

0:56:15.560 --> 0:56:18.960
<v Speaker 2>office to follow up, and she talks about how she

0:56:19.120 --> 0:56:22.799
<v Speaker 2>is sympathetic to his story because she says, I have

0:56:22.880 --> 0:56:26.840
<v Speaker 2>a deep, abiding faith in the work of scientists, and

0:56:26.880 --> 0:56:30.560
<v Speaker 2>I was like, is this the work of scientists? It

0:56:30.600 --> 0:56:33.680
<v Speaker 2>sounds like a single scientist claiming he saw a monster?

0:56:33.880 --> 0:56:38.120
<v Speaker 1>Is that what we don't say? Trust all scientists is not.

0:56:38.800 --> 0:56:40.360
<v Speaker 1>That's not how science works.

0:56:40.320 --> 0:56:42.839
<v Speaker 2>Right, to be clear, No trust in science. Yeah, it's

0:56:42.840 --> 0:56:45.759
<v Speaker 2>about the process, not so much about like anything a

0:56:45.960 --> 0:56:47.560
<v Speaker 2>scientist says is true.

0:56:47.680 --> 0:56:51.320
<v Speaker 1>A scientist has a very strong opinion that he cannot

0:56:51.440 --> 0:56:57.239
<v Speaker 1>prove about something outside of his particular discipline in science. Yeah,

0:56:57.320 --> 0:56:58.480
<v Speaker 1>let's believe him.

0:56:58.360 --> 0:57:03.560
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely anyway, So Hunter and Nesbit decide to work together.

0:57:04.120 --> 0:57:07.040
<v Speaker 2>She has Nesbit tried to identify the animal he saw

0:57:07.080 --> 0:57:10.960
<v Speaker 2>from illustrations of dinosaurs, and I should note that all

0:57:11.000 --> 0:57:14.719
<v Speaker 2>of these would be artists interpretations based on fossil skeletons,

0:57:14.760 --> 0:57:20.640
<v Speaker 2>not like photos shots. Y. Yeah, but they're working over it.

0:57:20.680 --> 0:57:24.400
<v Speaker 2>And she she brings coffee and Hunter says, careful, I

0:57:24.440 --> 0:57:28.600
<v Speaker 2>make coffee strong enough to compete in the Olympics, and

0:57:28.640 --> 0:57:30.919
<v Speaker 2>they have a kind of flirty chat while they're doing

0:57:30.960 --> 0:57:35.920
<v Speaker 2>this work. So Hunter describes how she became Elson's assistant. Basically,

0:57:36.080 --> 0:57:38.720
<v Speaker 2>she she's like, I was his most annoying student. I

0:57:38.760 --> 0:57:41.680
<v Speaker 2>was always challenging him and arguing with him. But he

0:57:41.720 --> 0:57:44.360
<v Speaker 2>was a good teacher and he respected her grit. So

0:57:44.440 --> 0:57:47.080
<v Speaker 2>he's like, come on, you can be my assistant. And

0:57:47.120 --> 0:57:50.880
<v Speaker 2>so clearly they have a very positive working relationship. But

0:57:51.000 --> 0:57:54.720
<v Speaker 2>then they start but then Nesbit and a Hunter start

0:57:54.800 --> 0:57:58.520
<v Speaker 2>kind of flirting with each other. Nesbit says, between us,

0:57:58.560 --> 0:58:01.120
<v Speaker 2>we span the ages. You deal with the past and

0:58:01.240 --> 0:58:05.280
<v Speaker 2>I with the future. And then she says how uncomplicated

0:58:05.320 --> 0:58:08.120
<v Speaker 2>the past was, and he says, and how bright the

0:58:08.160 --> 0:58:09.000
<v Speaker 2>future can be.

0:58:09.920 --> 0:58:13.000
<v Speaker 1>All right, Just so, yeah, the match made in heaven.

0:58:13.320 --> 0:58:15.880
<v Speaker 1>Atomic science and paleontology.

0:58:15.920 --> 0:58:18.920
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So they keep digging through all these sketches of

0:58:18.960 --> 0:58:21.720
<v Speaker 2>dinosaurs and then eventually they land on one. He pulls

0:58:21.720 --> 0:58:23.760
<v Speaker 2>one out and he's like, this is it. This is

0:58:23.800 --> 0:58:26.520
<v Speaker 2>the creature I saw. And I thought it's funny because

0:58:26.560 --> 0:58:29.560
<v Speaker 2>the one he picks out is like a way more

0:58:29.720 --> 0:58:32.960
<v Speaker 2>vivid illustration than all the others. It's like a water

0:58:33.040 --> 0:58:35.480
<v Speaker 2>color and all the others are sketches with pencil.

0:58:36.000 --> 0:58:39.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, it's like the most impressive of the stills

0:58:39.040 --> 0:58:42.320
<v Speaker 1>from the art department here, like this one's in color.

0:58:42.360 --> 0:58:43.840
<v Speaker 1>Of course, this is it. The one I saw was

0:58:43.880 --> 0:58:44.320
<v Speaker 1>in color.

0:58:45.120 --> 0:58:49.800
<v Speaker 2>So they identified the dinosaur as the Retosaurus or the Raidosaurus.

0:58:50.000 --> 0:58:54.200
<v Speaker 2>And to be clear, this is not a real dinosaur.

0:58:53.760 --> 0:58:58.040
<v Speaker 1>Correct and shockingly has not become a dinosaur. You'd think somebody,

0:58:59.680 --> 0:59:02.560
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, it's different in different scientific disciplines, but

0:59:02.680 --> 0:59:05.240
<v Speaker 1>nobody has been able to push through this is the

0:59:05.320 --> 0:59:07.439
<v Speaker 1>name of a newly discovered dinosaur either.

0:59:08.360 --> 0:59:12.760
<v Speaker 2>So when they find this picture, Hunter is convinced and

0:59:12.800 --> 0:59:15.520
<v Speaker 2>Nesbit's like, I know what it is now, and they

0:59:15.520 --> 0:59:18.120
<v Speaker 2>get the idea, we could prove it if we could

0:59:18.200 --> 0:59:23.240
<v Speaker 2>get Captain George LeMay from this boat in Canada to like,

0:59:23.560 --> 0:59:25.480
<v Speaker 2>if we could cross reference it with him, and he

0:59:25.480 --> 0:59:27.760
<v Speaker 2>could say, also, that's the thing he saw. That would

0:59:27.800 --> 0:59:29.840
<v Speaker 2>prove it. I don't know if that would prove it,

0:59:29.920 --> 0:59:32.560
<v Speaker 2>but that's what they believe. So they call him on

0:59:32.600 --> 0:59:35.520
<v Speaker 2>the phone and U and Nesbit has to speak French

0:59:35.560 --> 0:59:38.080
<v Speaker 2>to this guy, so there's a lot of wei wei.

0:59:38.160 --> 0:59:40.240
<v Speaker 2>But then the captain doesn't want to hear about it.

0:59:40.280 --> 0:59:43.120
<v Speaker 2>So he hangs up, and then I was confused about this.

0:59:43.200 --> 0:59:46.200
<v Speaker 2>The telephone operator seems to know a lot about the

0:59:46.240 --> 0:59:50.160
<v Speaker 2>captain's the operators like he's a stubborn old man, especially

0:59:50.160 --> 0:59:51.720
<v Speaker 2>on the subject of sea serpents.

0:59:52.560 --> 0:59:55.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, I guess this is how it used

0:59:55.880 --> 0:59:59.680
<v Speaker 1>to work. I mean, my understanding of old timey telephones

0:59:59.680 --> 1:00:03.200
<v Speaker 1>and tell phone operators is mostly based on what pops

1:00:03.280 --> 1:00:06.000
<v Speaker 1>up in old movies and TV shows. But I guess

1:00:06.000 --> 1:00:10.040
<v Speaker 1>it was like a local telephone operator who just knows everybody,

1:00:10.480 --> 1:00:11.920
<v Speaker 1>listens into all the calls.

1:00:12.000 --> 1:00:13.520
<v Speaker 2>She's been on the line the whole time.

1:00:13.640 --> 1:00:15.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

1:00:15.480 --> 1:00:18.920
<v Speaker 2>Anyway, so after this, Nesbit flies up to Canada to

1:00:18.920 --> 1:00:22.080
<v Speaker 2>meet le May in person. You might try calling a

1:00:22.120 --> 1:00:22.960
<v Speaker 2>second time.

1:00:22.800 --> 1:00:24.360
<v Speaker 1>First, but he ain't answering.

1:00:24.760 --> 1:00:28.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay. He flies up, he can't find the captain,

1:00:28.120 --> 1:00:30.640
<v Speaker 2>I think he's left town, but instead finds the other

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<v Speaker 2>guy from the boat, the first mate. He is lying

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<v Speaker 2>in a hospital bed surrounded by French nuns, and Nesbit

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<v Speaker 2>goes up to him and he's like, look, buddy, I

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<v Speaker 2>promise you if you come to New York, there are

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<v Speaker 2>going to be a lot of people who believe your story.

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<v Speaker 2>So Nesbit brings the boat guy to New York to

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<v Speaker 2>meet Elson, and Elson is he has this talk with

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<v Speaker 2>Lee Hunter where he's like, well, I could lose my

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<v Speaker 2>job and my reputation for listening to this, but Lee,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to mess up budding romance, so I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna hear him out as a favor to you. And

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<v Speaker 2>then also he reads this historical anecdote about a professor

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<v Speaker 2>from the eighteenth century who was disciplined by the Royal

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<v Speaker 2>Society because he claimed he saw leprechauns uprooting of venerated

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<v Speaker 2>campus oak. So Nesbit arrives with his witness and Nesbit

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<v Speaker 2>when he gets there, he's already gloating about how you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they tried to put Galileo in jail for saying the

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<v Speaker 2>Earth was round, but it turns out he was right,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm sorry to be pedantic. That is not what

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<v Speaker 2>Galileo got in trouble, for everybody knew the Earth was round.

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<v Speaker 2>It was about whether the Earth goes around the Sun anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is also one of the cases where there's

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<v Speaker 2>more like skeptic versus believer dialogue here, And it's one

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<v Speaker 2>of those times in movies where the skeptic that we're

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to be rooting against makes good points, and the

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<v Speaker 2>hero that whose side were supposed to be on keeps

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<v Speaker 2>saying things that don't make sense or are logical fallacies.

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<v Speaker 2>So they have this exchange where Nesbit's like, if a

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<v Speaker 2>particle of the sun broke off and flew into space,

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't consider the man who brought that news to

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<v Speaker 2>be insane. As a scientist, I would examine every facet

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<v Speaker 2>of it. Uh, And then Elson makes the reasonable points like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but that would we would know. We would know about

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<v Speaker 2>that because people would see it, like you would have

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<v Speaker 2>direct evidence of it. And then Nesbit says if it

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<v Speaker 2>broke off, it would make no difference if one saw it,

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<v Speaker 2>or if no one at all saw it, it would

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<v Speaker 2>still be the same as the monster. It still is.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was just thinking, wait, I mean, obviously things

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<v Speaker 2>are whether somebody sees them or not. But the question

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<v Speaker 2>is does Elson have any evidence, like did yeah, other

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<v Speaker 2>than the sky just saying.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, so far he has nothing concrete to present here, Right,

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<v Speaker 1>he saw it. We have another guy who may have

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<v Speaker 1>seen it, and that said no footprints, no, no no

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<v Speaker 1>body nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>Nesbit's just within like not understanding the nature of the critique.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, okay, things are about to change because this

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<v Speaker 2>guy from Canada comes into the room, the guy from

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<v Speaker 2>the boat. He is shown the drawings of the dinosaurs

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<v Speaker 2>and he picks out the same drawing that Nesbit did.

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<v Speaker 2>Elson is immediately a convert. He's like, oh, okay, let's

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<v Speaker 2>call the president. I think there's a dinosaur. And so

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<v Speaker 2>they put Elson on the phone with Colonel Evans and

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<v Speaker 2>he says, this is a quote. I'm convinced that this

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<v Speaker 2>creature exists, and I'm willing to stake my reputation on

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<v Speaker 2>the one eighty is hilarious.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, two people pick the same photo. What are

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<v Speaker 1>the chances? What are the same chances? The same picture

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<v Speaker 1>other not photo.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, after this we get to a great scene, which

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<v Speaker 2>is the attack on the lighthouse. Yes we mentioned this earlier,

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<v Speaker 2>but whatever you're calling it. The dinosaur, the monster, the lizard,

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<v Speaker 2>the retosaurus. It crawls up up on this rocky shore

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<v Speaker 2>in Maine and it's up there on the boulders and

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<v Speaker 2>we see the lighthouse in silhouette. They've got like a

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<v Speaker 2>miniature model of it against the you know, the the

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<v Speaker 2>black sky in the background with the light on up top,

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<v Speaker 2>and then we cut inside and we have the two

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<v Speaker 2>lighthouse keepers who are talking about their favorite body songs.

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<v Speaker 2>One guy's like, I like songs about gin and women

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<v Speaker 2>and another ones like, oh, I like the you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the sad sad tales. Uh. And you know they're having

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<v Speaker 2>a back and forth, and then suddenly this monster is outside,

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<v Speaker 2>like raw and it looks in through the window. So

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<v Speaker 2>there's like a shot where you see it's face through

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<v Speaker 2>the glass and there's rain falling outside, and it's very

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<v Speaker 2>spooky because the monster in this shot looks like a

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<v Speaker 2>snake with fangs. Did you notice that?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Yeah. And indeed, these scenes I think are this

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<v Speaker 1>scene and the Arctic scene are both key because again,

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<v Speaker 1>the most iconic sequences from this film are rampaging and

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<v Speaker 1>broad daylight in New York, and those are impressive sequences,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think we get a bit more of a

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<v Speaker 1>horror atmosphere in these two earlier sequences.

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<v Speaker 2>I love the way it looks later when you can

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<v Speaker 2>get a good look at it, but I agree in

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<v Speaker 2>the earlier scenes it's much creepier. Yeah, So we get

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<v Speaker 2>some different things going on. In the meantime, there is

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<v Speaker 2>one scene where somebody goes to I think it's the Kernel,

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<v Speaker 2>following up on Elson vouching for the idea of the dinosaur,

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<v Speaker 2>and he goes to a military buddy of his and

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<v Speaker 2>he's like, look, I want you to come and report

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<v Speaker 2>back to me if there are any freak happenings. And

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<v Speaker 2>the guy's like, okay, I'll let you know about free

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<v Speaker 2>happenings and let.

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<v Speaker 1>Me know about the freak happenings. Daddy O. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's an invite to a drum circle. Later and it's

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<v Speaker 1>like no, no, no, I n monster.

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<v Speaker 2>Attacks and then Nesbit and Hunter also they go to

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<v Speaker 2>the ballet they get box seats.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we're in kind of a padding zone.

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<v Speaker 2>In the picture at this point, but much like Godzilla,

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<v Speaker 2>we see characters eventually figuring out they're kind of mapping

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<v Speaker 2>contact points along along the sea coast and they notice

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<v Speaker 2>that the monster is like it's here, and it's here,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's here, and it's plotting a course for the metropolis.

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<v Speaker 2>So they start talking about what can be done about

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<v Speaker 2>this creature. Elson, the paleontologist, does not want the creature killed.

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<v Speaker 2>He wants to study it to understand it, and he

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<v Speaker 2>says I know what we'll do. I'm going to survey

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<v Speaker 2>the undersea canyons where we think the monster is traveling.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to do that in person in a diving

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<v Speaker 2>bell to see it for myself. And if I see it,

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<v Speaker 2>then I can think up a means of capture safely

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<v Speaker 2>capturing it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Now this leads to the diving bell slash Bathisphere scene,

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<v Speaker 2>which is one of my favorite parts of the movie.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought this whole sequence is great.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, this is really tremendous, builds up some wonderful tension.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't want anything bad to happen to the professor,

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<v Speaker 1>even though certainly by modern standards, you know it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to happen. And this also brings back memories from our

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<v Speaker 1>twenty nineteen episodes about the Bathisphere, about the actual underwater

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<v Speaker 1>exploration device, vehicle, enclosure, whatever you want to call it.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you're interested in this sort of thing, go

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<v Speaker 1>look those episodes up in the backlog.

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<v Speaker 2>The short pitch on the Bathisphere, which is kind of

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<v Speaker 2>horrifying if you think about it, is that it was

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<v Speaker 2>a device used to observe deep underwater. It was not

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<v Speaker 2>a powered submarine, it had no propulsion of its own.

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<v Speaker 2>It was basically just an enclosed ball, metal ball that

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<v Speaker 2>was dangled off of a boat, way way down deep

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<v Speaker 2>into the water. So if that line falls, you're just

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<v Speaker 2>going down.

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<v Speaker 1>And he claimed to see in some cases things that

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<v Speaker 1>have never been fully verified. So it's a really interesting story.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so Bathisphere very interesting. But I love the part

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<v Speaker 2>in the movie here where there's this almost ceremonial ceiling

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<v Speaker 2>of the old scientist inside the bell, and Elson is

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<v Speaker 2>just giddy. He's not afraid all really, he's so excited

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<v Speaker 2>about what he's going to get to see down there.

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<v Speaker 1>To give him his coffee, right, he gets a kiss, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and then seal him in. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>They're trying to Yeah, they're trying to give him drama.

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<v Speaker 2>Mean He's like, I don't need that. I don't need

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<v Speaker 2>my drama. Mean, I'm just I'm high on life, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm ready. But also I love here the underwater landscape

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<v Speaker 2>they achieve with these models and sets. You've got these tall,

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<v Speaker 2>thin spires of undersea rock that look like giant tree trunks,

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<v Speaker 2>and then this tiny diving bell hanging in the black.

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<v Speaker 2>And as they're descending, the professor says, I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>I'm leaving a world of untold Tomorrow's for a world

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<v Speaker 2>of countless yesterdays.

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<v Speaker 1>The screenwriters keep touching on this idea, like of the

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<v Speaker 1>past meeting tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's something going on there. I don't know exactly

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<v Speaker 2>what it is, maybe maybe suggesting something about barbarity, or

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, maybe I'm reading too much into that.

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<v Speaker 2>They've got some kind of past future thing.

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<v Speaker 1>It might be there. I think it might might legitimately

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<v Speaker 1>be there. So yeah, I think it's a valid reading.

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<v Speaker 2>But then when they get down to the bottom, so

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<v Speaker 2>he's looking out the window and he sees an octopus,

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<v Speaker 2>and then he sees a shark, and then he says, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>there appears to be a slight difference of opinion between

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<v Speaker 2>two of the local inhabitants, and the shark and the

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<v Speaker 2>octopus start fighting each other. But then oh, a third

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<v Speaker 2>animal makes an appearance, and it is our ritosaurus. It

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<v Speaker 2>is the monster, and Elson is astonished. He's got this

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<v Speaker 2>little wired telephone that he uses to call the ship above.

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<v Speaker 2>He demands that they put Hunter on the line. He's like,

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<v Speaker 2>get these military officers off the line. I need to

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<v Speaker 2>talk to my assistant. So she gets on the line

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<v Speaker 2>and he starts making like anatomical observations. He's like, the

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<v Speaker 2>upper clavicle is cantileveric, and then he's like making these

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<v Speaker 2>kind of observations. But then suddenly the line goes dead

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<v Speaker 2>and we don't see what happened below. He's just looking

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<v Speaker 2>and he's talking and the line goes dead. What happened?

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously it did not end well, and we are I think,

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<v Speaker 2>just left to assume that the monster has eaten the

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<v Speaker 2>diving bell. Yeah, and so here we get more monologues

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<v Speaker 2>like after the fact reflecting from Hunter, where she's very sad.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Elson was like a father to her. She

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<v Speaker 2>reiterates again that you know, he was about to take

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<v Speaker 2>his first vacation ever, and we see Nesbit comforting her

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<v Speaker 2>while she mourns. But then there's not much time left

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<v Speaker 2>for morning because about now we're gonna have the New

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<v Speaker 2>York attack. So during this sequence, the dinosaur rises up

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<v Speaker 2>out of a harbor around Manhattan, so comes up on

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<v Speaker 2>the docks, first seen by doc workers who run away,

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<v Speaker 2>and then everybody starts noticing. They run screaming as the

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<v Speaker 2>dinosaur comes up onto the shore and then onto the

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<v Speaker 2>streets between the buildings and is making his way down

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<v Speaker 2>the avenue. There's one thing that's almost funny, where there's

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<v Speaker 2>this policeman grimly squaring off against the dinosaur, drawing his

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<v Speaker 2>weapon and just standing there scowling. He takes a while

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<v Speaker 2>to finally shoot, but then he does start shooting at it.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't work. The dinosaur eats him and we see

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<v Speaker 2>his legs wiggling outside of the dinosaur's mouth. We see

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<v Speaker 2>the creature crushing cars with its feet with this brigade

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<v Speaker 2>of cops with shotguns come out of the precinct and

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<v Speaker 2>start blasting it to drive it back. This whole sequence

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<v Speaker 2>is pretty awesome, Rob, I don't know what else you

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<v Speaker 2>want to highlight from here.

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<v Speaker 1>Ah, No, it is just an awesome sequence. It's very iconic.

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<v Speaker 1>I think if people have seen any clips from the

1:11:40.520 --> 1:11:43.360
<v Speaker 1>film or any stills, they've probably seen this sequence. And

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<v Speaker 1>it just it does. It looks amazing. It creates a

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<v Speaker 1>very believable sense of early fifties New York being attacked

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<v Speaker 1>by a giant monster. And again like broad broad daylight, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>but still great use of shadows, just terrific.

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<v Speaker 2>Stuff, chases people into the subway. Yeah, and then we

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<v Speaker 2>get another radio report, so the radio announcer says New

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<v Speaker 2>York is like a city besieged. A state of emergency

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<v Speaker 2>has been declared and the entire police force put on

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four hour duty. Civilian defense is fully mobilized, and

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<v Speaker 2>shelters have been opened in an effort to stop the

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<v Speaker 2>mounting hysteria. All traffic has been halted and Times Square,

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<v Speaker 2>the heart of New York, has stopped beating.

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<v Speaker 1>Several elmos have been eaten.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Superman, where is he now? The National Guard has

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<v Speaker 2>been called out, fully armed to repel the invader. This

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<v Speaker 2>is full scale war against a terrible enemy such as

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<v Speaker 2>modern man has never before faced. Ordinary bullets have no effect,

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<v Speaker 2>and a method of destroying the awesome creature has not

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<v Speaker 2>yet been formulated. But the battlefield has been cleared. Harald Square,

1:12:59.560 --> 1:13:03.280
<v Speaker 2>thirty four Street, Broadway, every section of the city is guarded.

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<v Speaker 2>No one knows where the monster will strike next. It

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<v Speaker 2>was last seen on Wall Street, close to where it

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<v Speaker 2>came ashore, but Lower Manhattan has become no man's land,

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<v Speaker 2>where the beast at present lies hidden. The National Guard

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<v Speaker 2>is barricading the entire area in an effort to confine

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<v Speaker 2>the death and destruction of what is already the worst

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<v Speaker 2>disaster in New York's history.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, so even worse than the King Kong thing decades earlier,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess.

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<v Speaker 2>So. Yeah, And we do see some of the aftermath,

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<v Speaker 2>like we see hospitals afterwards, where the doctors are going

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<v Speaker 2>through checking on people, and it really emphasizes the monster

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<v Speaker 2>attack as a disaster with aftermath, not just like a

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<v Speaker 2>conflict between the monster and the military.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, it's not just people that have you know,

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<v Speaker 1>clearly there's a lot of chaos and destruction, but also

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<v Speaker 1>this sense that it's like making people sick. Yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it has these different spiraling consequences.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So I did like that it was I think rather nuanced.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, people with fevers and stuff afterwards. So after this,

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<v Speaker 2>you get more scenes of the armed forces versus the Retosaurus.

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<v Speaker 2>They're coming out with bazukas. They've got electrified wire fence

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<v Speaker 2>put up, and they can sort of drive the monster

1:14:17.479 --> 1:14:20.600
<v Speaker 2>back but apparently not kill it. It seems somehow invincible.

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<v Speaker 2>And then they there's a strange observation like soldiers who

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<v Speaker 2>go hunting after the dinosaur after they blast it with

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<v Speaker 2>some weapons, start becoming weak and feverish, and they're collapsing

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<v Speaker 2>in the street. Turns out, in addition to everything else,

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<v Speaker 2>the animal's blood carries a horrible virus that can infect

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<v Speaker 2>and kill humans, and contact with this blood can be fatal.

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<v Speaker 2>So this leads them to realize, Okay, we thought we

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<v Speaker 2>could stop the creature by bombing it, but we can't

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<v Speaker 2>bomb it because that will spread particles of this virus

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<v Speaker 2>into the air, which will spread and kill more people.

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<v Speaker 2>So how can we feed it without spilling its blood?

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<v Speaker 2>Very interesting problem that will be replicated in other stories,

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<v Speaker 2>but mainly the ones I'm thinking of come later. Like

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<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking of Alien. In the original Alien, this is

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<v Speaker 2>a big part of the plot a different reason there.

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<v Speaker 2>In Alien, the crew of the Nostromo figure out that

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<v Speaker 2>the xenomorph has acidic blood that could eat through the

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<v Speaker 2>hull of the spacecraft and kill everybody if they you know,

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<v Speaker 2>blow it up or whatever. So they're like, how are

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<v Speaker 2>we going to deal with it without spilling this acidic

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<v Speaker 2>blood and you know, maybe getting vented into space because

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<v Speaker 2>it ate through the hull. And different thing going on here,

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<v Speaker 2>but it results in the same thing is like, we've

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<v Speaker 2>got to find a way to fight the creature without

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<v Speaker 2>getting its gore out.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So anyway, Nesbit comes in to save the day because

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<v Speaker 2>he's like, I've got it, you know, Colonel Jack. There's

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<v Speaker 2>one way to beat him my personal specialization, which is

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<v Speaker 2>radioactive isotopes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, And so in this they will forge the

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<v Speaker 1>special weapon that can be used against the beast. In

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<v Speaker 1>this we really get into this crazy ending for the picture,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think it really the ending really puts the

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<v Speaker 1>film over the top. And again it's not even that

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<v Speaker 1>crazy of a formula. We have a secret weapon to

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<v Speaker 1>use against a giant monster, we have knowledge of a

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<v Speaker 1>singular weak spot to aim at, and we need a

1:16:17.760 --> 1:16:21.639
<v Speaker 1>skilled marksman hero to deploy the weapon. Again, pretty much

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<v Speaker 1>the exact same formula for killing the Dragon's smog and

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<v Speaker 1>the Hobbit, and just a common monster slaying formula throughout

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<v Speaker 1>mythic and ancient literature. We see it, for example, in

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<v Speaker 1>the North of volsunga Saga, the ancient Mesopotamian and Numa

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<v Speaker 1>a Leish, the Romagnina the as well as the Argonautica

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<v Speaker 1>and concerning respectively the monsters Fafnir, tiamat, Ravana, Talaus, and

1:16:48.400 --> 1:16:51.440
<v Speaker 1>again there are many others from many other different cultures

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<v Speaker 1>and traditions. It's a basic formula, and in this the

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<v Speaker 1>Beast from twenty thousand fathoms is again like nicely positioned

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<v Speaker 1>within the canon of deep human history and monster slang.

1:17:02.400 --> 1:17:06.599
<v Speaker 1>Truly one of our oldest myths, but the movie puts

1:17:06.640 --> 1:17:08.920
<v Speaker 1>things over the top in a most delightful manner. So

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<v Speaker 1>the Beast here is rampage. They've kind of you again.

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<v Speaker 1>These wars between local police and military and the National

1:17:16.160 --> 1:17:19.679
<v Speaker 1>Guard against the Beasts have been raging all over the city,

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<v Speaker 1>across all the burroughs, and now almost like the I guess,

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<v Speaker 1>like the end of the Warriors, the action has been

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<v Speaker 1>pushed to Coney Island and the Beast is rampaging through

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<v Speaker 1>the wooden roller coaster, the Coney Island Cyclone built nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>twenty seven, so it's just shy of one hundred years old,

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<v Speaker 1>still active. You can still ride this thing. I never have.

1:17:40.960 --> 1:17:45.200
<v Speaker 1>I've only done the Wonder Wheel. But yeah, it's rampaging,

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<v Speaker 1>breaking up the Coney Island Cyclone, and it becomes clear

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<v Speaker 1>that the only way that our marksmen, Corporal Stone, this

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<v Speaker 1>is Lee van Cleef, who, like you know, they proudly

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<v Speaker 1>basically they have the weapon. It's like an isotope weapon

1:17:58.600 --> 1:18:02.760
<v Speaker 1>that it's on the front of a rifle something radioactive.

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<v Speaker 2>They're carrying it around in this giant lead.

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<v Speaker 1>Case like Holy hand grenaders.

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<v Speaker 2>So they have to like lift it out of its

1:18:09.520 --> 1:18:12.840
<v Speaker 2>containment because obviously I guess it's ionizing everything around it.

1:18:13.200 --> 1:18:14.800
<v Speaker 2>They put it on the end of a rifle like

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<v Speaker 2>a harpoon, and then Lee van Cleef has to get

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<v Speaker 2>up on the on the roller coaster to shoot it

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<v Speaker 2>at the animal's weak spot.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I have questions about the ballistics of that, but

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<v Speaker 1>fair enough, we have our special weapon. And they're like,

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<v Speaker 1>who's who's the best marksman. You've got military dudes, and

1:18:28.720 --> 1:18:30.880
<v Speaker 1>they're like, oh, it's stone. And then you know, Lee

1:18:30.920 --> 1:18:32.920
<v Speaker 1>van Cleef comes out and he's like, well, you need

1:18:32.960 --> 1:18:34.559
<v Speaker 1>me to do it. Shoot a giant monster. You got it.

1:18:35.320 --> 1:18:37.559
<v Speaker 1>But it becomes clear that they don't have the proper

1:18:37.680 --> 1:18:39.800
<v Speaker 1>vantage point. The only way they can get the proper

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<v Speaker 1>vantage point to make the shot and hit that one

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<v Speaker 1>weak spot on the creature is to ride the half

1:18:47.520 --> 1:18:52.120
<v Speaker 1>destroyed roller coaster up to the very crest. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>what our protagonist and our monster slayer, Le Van Cleef,

1:18:56.360 --> 1:18:59.320
<v Speaker 1>are gonna do. They put on these really kind of

1:18:59.320 --> 1:19:02.960
<v Speaker 1>creepy radio suits. Like you said, they have the box

1:19:03.080 --> 1:19:06.280
<v Speaker 1>with the isotope weapon in it, and they're like, Okay,

1:19:06.760 --> 1:19:08.840
<v Speaker 1>fire up this half destroyed roller coaster. We're going to

1:19:08.920 --> 1:19:09.680
<v Speaker 1>go up there and do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Brilliant. Yeah, And then also we get to see like

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<v Speaker 2>they go up to the top of the crest and

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<v Speaker 2>the coaster and then the cars go on without them,

1:19:19.360 --> 1:19:21.679
<v Speaker 2>so like they go sliding down and they watch them

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<v Speaker 2>crash and explode, and the Stone gets the shot off,

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<v Speaker 2>it goes into the wound in the monster's neck. The

1:19:28.680 --> 1:19:31.800
<v Speaker 2>isotope gets in there, sickens the monster, and then we

1:19:31.840 --> 1:19:35.479
<v Speaker 2>see it kind of pacing around, clearly suffering. There's something

1:19:35.800 --> 1:19:38.320
<v Speaker 2>there's a little bit of pathos there. You almost feel

1:19:38.360 --> 1:19:42.880
<v Speaker 2>sad for the monster a little bit, and then kind

1:19:42.880 --> 1:19:47.280
<v Speaker 2>of it becomes weak and then it falls down and dies.

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<v Speaker 2>The whole roller coaster is on fire, by the way,

1:19:50.040 --> 1:19:54.040
<v Speaker 2>fire on the coaster. Nesbit and Corporal Stone get back.

1:19:54.120 --> 1:19:58.040
<v Speaker 2>Nesbit hugs with Lee Hunter and the monsters dead and

1:19:58.080 --> 1:20:00.559
<v Speaker 2>that's the end, very abrupt ending, like a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>these fifties monster movies.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, a lot of them do follow this formula.

1:20:04.680 --> 1:20:07.559
<v Speaker 1>What the monster has been killed, the authorities killed the monster.

1:20:07.600 --> 1:20:10.040
<v Speaker 1>At the end, everybody can home, can go home happy

1:20:10.080 --> 1:20:10.719
<v Speaker 1>and safe.

1:20:11.000 --> 1:20:14.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, not even not even he tampered in God's domain.

1:20:15.120 --> 1:20:18.840
<v Speaker 2>Not even a single line of comment. It's just monsters dead.

1:20:18.880 --> 1:20:19.720
<v Speaker 2>The whole thing's over.

1:20:20.160 --> 1:20:23.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but what an ending. Yeah, I was not prepared.

1:20:23.680 --> 1:20:25.800
<v Speaker 1>I was barely prepared for le Van Kleef to show

1:20:25.880 --> 1:20:29.160
<v Speaker 1>up and just do all the hero work and then

1:20:29.240 --> 1:20:33.200
<v Speaker 1>the roller coaster amazing, So just maximum points for that.

1:20:34.640 --> 1:20:38.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So I think really well put together ending. The

1:20:38.040 --> 1:20:44.400
<v Speaker 2>climax really works, I would say, especially because of some weird, unusual,

1:20:45.320 --> 1:20:48.360
<v Speaker 2>very inspired choices of visual texture that go in there,

1:20:48.680 --> 1:20:53.400
<v Speaker 2>primarily setting it at the roller coaster and the use

1:20:53.600 --> 1:20:57.920
<v Speaker 2>of those super creepy looking radiation suits the costumes. Really

1:20:58.000 --> 1:21:00.320
<v Speaker 2>they put you in a different mood for the end here,

1:21:00.439 --> 1:21:04.640
<v Speaker 2>something like our heroes have become kind of monstrous themselves,

1:21:05.720 --> 1:21:08.400
<v Speaker 2>and they don't look they don't look nice in those

1:21:08.520 --> 1:21:13.439
<v Speaker 2>radiations ses. It's very creepy look and so something I

1:21:13.479 --> 1:21:16.600
<v Speaker 2>don't know. It really works right at the end, especially.

1:21:16.400 --> 1:21:18.479
<v Speaker 1>And I also liked that they did have to go

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<v Speaker 1>the extra mile and do the extra daring deed to

1:21:21.920 --> 1:21:24.320
<v Speaker 1>pull off the shot because a lot of these movies

1:21:24.479 --> 1:21:27.760
<v Speaker 1>end with more of an abrupt Oh, authorities are here,

1:21:27.800 --> 1:21:31.120
<v Speaker 1>shoot the monster and it's done, whereas like true heroics

1:21:31.160 --> 1:21:33.280
<v Speaker 1>and a little extra daring did have to go into

1:21:33.280 --> 1:21:35.920
<v Speaker 1>the finish here and it makes it just makes it.

1:21:35.920 --> 1:21:38.360
<v Speaker 1>It makes it far more dramatically satisfying.

1:21:38.800 --> 1:21:39.200
<v Speaker 2>Totally.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so enjoyed it. I like the pick rub Oh yeah, thanks, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I had a lot of fun with this one, and again,

1:21:46.520 --> 1:21:48.919
<v Speaker 1>great to see it on the big screen. I encourage

1:21:48.920 --> 1:21:50.519
<v Speaker 1>everyone out there, if you get a chance to see

1:21:50.560 --> 1:21:53.240
<v Speaker 1>any giant monster movie on the big screen, do it,

1:21:53.600 --> 1:21:56.559
<v Speaker 1>because the monsters are bigger that way. That's what the

1:21:56.600 --> 1:21:57.600
<v Speaker 1>format exists for.

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<v Speaker 2>If only they'd had to IMAX back then.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, yeah, so that said the Beast from twenty

1:22:03.920 --> 1:22:06.559
<v Speaker 1>thousand fathoms, though I was never really clear of the

1:22:06.560 --> 1:22:09.120
<v Speaker 1>Beast was truly from twenty thousand fathoms or if it

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<v Speaker 1>just visited twenty thousand fathoms at times.

1:22:12.439 --> 1:22:14.800
<v Speaker 2>So it's from the it was in the ice right, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>where the ice is on the top of the ocean,

1:22:17.640 --> 1:22:18.439
<v Speaker 2>not at the bottom.

1:22:18.800 --> 1:22:21.000
<v Speaker 1>But it's built from twenty thousand fathoms. It's like, I

1:22:21.040 --> 1:22:22.719
<v Speaker 1>don't know, it's maybe this a show business speak.

1:22:23.880 --> 1:22:26.840
<v Speaker 2>I guess maybe it went twenty thousand Fathoms after it

1:22:26.880 --> 1:22:28.360
<v Speaker 2>came out of the ice, but before it went to

1:22:28.400 --> 1:22:30.960
<v Speaker 2>New York City, because that's where the professor goes down

1:22:31.040 --> 1:22:31.400
<v Speaker 2>to see it.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember, yeah, But once it gets to New York City,

1:22:33.840 --> 1:22:36.160
<v Speaker 1>it can immediately say it's from New York City. I

1:22:36.200 --> 1:22:40.280
<v Speaker 1>think those are the rules. It is officially in New Yorker.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, we're gonna go and close it out there.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'd love to hear anyone's thoughts on this one.

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