1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:03,440 Speaker 1: Ronan, There's only one thing I really have to sell anybody, 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: and that's time. Okay, and it's either time where I'm 3 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:09,480 Speaker 1: doing a physical repair or time where I'm diagnosing something. 4 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 1: You have to look at what it is you're trying 5 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: to do. You're exchanging dollars for minutes, the car doctor. 6 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:23,959 Speaker 1: I only put one compressor in R. R and Y 7 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: Compressors out of Florida. And what are you paying for him? 8 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: That one? I didn't pay much for that one, just 9 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: over two I just questioned cheap A C compressors. Welcome 10 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: to the radio home of ron Andanian the Car Doctor. 11 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:42,520 Speaker 1: It's this is where car owners the world overturned to 12 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 1: for their definitive opinion on automotive repair. If your mechanics 13 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 1: giving you a busy signal, pick up the phone and 14 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:52,919 Speaker 1: call in. The garage doors are open, but I am 15 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: here to take your calls at eight five and now 16 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 1: a running I have. I have a problem. I don't 17 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: know where to start today. UM. I don't know what 18 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: story to tell you about I don't want to do 19 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 1: we want to talk about the the two thousand and 20 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: eleven Ford fusion and the exhaust pipe? Do we want 21 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: to talk about the parts problem cars. M hm. Do 22 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:20,400 Speaker 1: we want to talk about the squirrel that attacked the 23 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 1: shop this week? Which the shops under invasion right now? 24 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:28,960 Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure why. Maybe maybe the only you Tom, 25 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I don't I don't know which story 26 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: to start with. I'll talk. Let me talk about the chipmunk. 27 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 1: I think it was a chipmunk. About three weeks ago, 28 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:40,119 Speaker 1: Danny opened up his toolbox drawing. He found a half 29 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 1: eating granola bar and you could see something that, you know, 30 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:45,759 Speaker 1: kind of chomped away at it. And I always tell him, 31 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 1: you know, never leave food in the shop. I don't 32 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: live food out anywhere. It's just you know, it's it's 33 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: a repair shop. It's it's clean, it's organized, but you 34 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: just don't know. So how we we We laid out 35 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 1: a couple of mouse traps, and you know, carpenter Bob's 36 00:01:57,600 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: in charge of he's the mouse trap guy. He's he's 37 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: laying out, you know, mouse traps in his in his 38 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 1: whimsical way. Um, you know, Bob still Bob is because 39 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:08,239 Speaker 1: and Bob is in charge of mouse traps because he 40 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: has the same mouse traps that he started using in 41 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:13,839 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty four. Because he's built that way. Bob doesn't 42 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: throw mouse traps out. He washes them, sterilizing them, puts 43 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: him back in a plastic bag, and lays them out again. 44 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: And he says it makes the mouse more attractive to 45 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: the smell of a mouse, because whatever, Bob. So we've 46 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 1: been laying out mouse traps and and and they didn't work. 47 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: I you know, I don't know. A couple of times 48 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 1: the trap was sprung, but there was nothing in it 49 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: which we couldn't figure out. And we knew they were 50 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: Bob's trusted mouse traps. We've had them worked before, but 51 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:37,399 Speaker 1: for whatever reason, And you know, we're trying to fix 52 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:39,079 Speaker 1: cars and you gotta watch now, you know, there's mouse 53 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 1: traps under a couple of toolboxes and some workbenches as 54 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: you're you're going through your day. And so we decided 55 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: to upgrade the game a little bit. And and and 56 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 1: last week or maybe ten days prior, we we went 57 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: out with But do you ever see those dcon makes them. 58 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: I'm sure everybody makes him as those they're about sixtiches 59 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 1: in diameter around black plastic um. They've got the poison 60 00:02:57,840 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: on the inside and you can put the peanut butter 61 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: inside the mouse trap, and um uh, you know, it 62 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 1: works its way in and it automatically closes the door 63 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: and it it dies a death better than the sticky 64 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: pads the glue pass because then the poor thing stars 65 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 1: itself or chomps off its back legs trying to get away. 66 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 1: And you know they didn't work. We couldn't catch anything, right. 67 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:17,959 Speaker 1: A couple of times we came in. The peanut butter 68 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 1: was licked out of the regular mouse trap, not the dcon. 69 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: But nothing happened. Wednesday this week, I was sitting in 70 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: front office having lunch, which I generally take between twelve 71 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: and one, and I heard noise in the shop. It 72 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: was around twelve thirty five, twelve forty something like that, 73 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: and I assumed it was Tina, who does our tire 74 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: from Tech Tire Supply, and you know, she was loading 75 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: up the wheel weights and the val stems and only 76 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: the things that we use. And I didn't really give 77 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: it much thought. It just hurd some activity out in 78 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: the shop, and you know, I knew she was out there, 79 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: and um that was then I went out after lunch 80 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 1: about I don't know one oh five, one ten, and 81 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: the black deek on mouse trap was pushed out from 82 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: under the bench into the middle of Bay two, and 83 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: something had chewed away at the top of it to 84 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: the point where the spring that's holding the whole thing 85 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: together let go, and the whole thing just went kaboom. 86 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 1: It exploded. I was like, what the heck, what are 87 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: we growing here? The locknest monster of mice? Like, you know, 88 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: it's a repair shop. So I looked on the video cameras, 89 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 1: because we have video cameras all over the shop, and 90 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: sure enough, but it wasn't a mouse. It was a chipmunk. 91 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 1: A chipmunk rolled into the bay and started hacking away 92 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:36,280 Speaker 1: at the mouse trap. I guess it wanted to get 93 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 1: to the peanut butter and when it couldn't, have chewed 94 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 1: its way through the top. And then the top flew 95 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:43,839 Speaker 1: off because it was spring loaded, kind of knocked it 96 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: on its keyster and it sort of shook its little head, 97 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 1: stood up and went, well, I'll show you, And then 98 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 1: it went after the mouse trap that was next to 99 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: the black decon mouse trap under the bench and push 100 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 1: that out, flip that out, and then ran off. I'm 101 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: under invasion. I've got a I don't know what I 102 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 1: gotta get a video I should posted up on our 103 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: Facebook page or webpage. It is kind of it is 104 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 1: kind of hysterical to watch and look, you're just like, wow, 105 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 1: look at the tenacity of that animal. But it was 106 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: that kind of a week in the shop. You know, 107 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 1: if you were here on planet Earth and you looked 108 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 1: up to the sky somewhere around Wednesday Thursday just saw 109 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: the full moon, and the full moon was just beating 110 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: on us with with such intensity, you knew it was 111 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 1: a weird week. Thinking about it, almost afraid of what 112 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 1: this this hour of radio might turn into. But we'll 113 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:27,160 Speaker 1: see what happens. Every car we were I would say 114 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 1: every car worked on. Three Fords that we worked on 115 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 1: we couldn't get parts for and goofy things, throttle bodies 116 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:37,600 Speaker 1: for ten year old cars, body computers for an OH 117 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 1: seven Lincoln, and I forget what the third one was. 118 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 1: But we ended up finding the parts because we have 119 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 1: a great parts guy over there at mala Ford Anthony 120 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: owien Rich and Christian always do a great job and 121 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: help us get it together. But you know, just just 122 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 1: what a week. And then they found the throttle body 123 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 1: and I was all excited because they found me a 124 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 1: part that's you know, both the throttle body and the 125 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: driver's door module or on back order until sometime in December. 126 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:03,840 Speaker 1: One of them had a no release date in sight, 127 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: and one of them was December. I think the throttle 128 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: body has no release date in sight, if I remember right. 129 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 1: And I was excited. They found one that showed up, 130 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: brand new Ford part in the box, never opened, completely sealed. 131 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: Took it out of the box. It's broken. You know, 132 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: there's a little there's an idle stop plug that they 133 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: used to assemble to calibrate the throttle position for when 134 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: the vehicle is in at idle base idle and it 135 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: was just broken off. The plastic must have struck something 136 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:34,719 Speaker 1: somewhere somehow and drawn back to waiting again. And it 137 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: was that kind of a week. It was. It was 138 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: hurry up and wait for parts. It was hurry up 139 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 1: and get the diagnosis done, find out you can't get 140 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 1: the part. And then there was this eleven Ford fusion. 141 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: It was, you know, we're dealing with cars. Look at 142 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: the age of the cars I'm talking about right, ten 143 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: twelve year old things and oh seven Lincoln, look at 144 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: what you're fixing. And this eleven fusion needed a bunch 145 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: of things. It needed some basic service work, high rotations, 146 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 1: some filters, some fuel system cleaning. The part of the 147 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:02,479 Speaker 1: job was it needed a front exhaust pipe. It's a 148 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: flex coupling exhaust pipe, meaning that it's got that braided 149 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: steel coupling that allows the engine to move because it's 150 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: it's the main pipe coming. Also, it's not rigid. It 151 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 1: gives some flex to it as the engine, you know, 152 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: accelerates and the accelerates and so forth, and the flex 153 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 1: coupling had broken. Well, you know, eleven eleven years in 154 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: North Jersey roads over the course of winter and nuts 155 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: and bolts sort of get to be indistinguishable as nuts 156 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: and bolts. They just basically dissolve away from the corrosive 157 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 1: material we're putting on the roads. And you know, the 158 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: nuts going to the catalytic converter were so badly rotted. 159 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 1: There was they were indistinguishable in shape. There's no you know, 160 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: there's no there's it's you're it's not it's a it's 161 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: a fourteen millimeter hex Let's see if we can get 162 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: a thirteen on it or a twelve on it. No, 163 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: there's nothing there, And there was really literally nothing there 164 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: that you could use a turbo socket, which a turbo 165 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: socket is a basically it's a round tube with little 166 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 1: flutes in it, little raised pinch grab bars in it. 167 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 1: If you will, that will kind of you know, grab 168 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: the top of the nut and spin it out. It's 169 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: like an easy output backwards. It's a female version of 170 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: an easy out tap. Wouldn't work, there's nothing left. Polished 171 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 1: up my glasses, put my safety glass, my other safety 172 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: glasses on, fired up the air chisel, polished a point 173 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: to a fine point, and just went in and nipped 174 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: both nuts with the air chisel. Then he said, what 175 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: are you doing? I said, I'm taking exhaust off. Um, 176 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 1: I said, I gotta loosen a couple of nuts and 177 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: uh split the nuts right down the middle, just nicked 178 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 1: the stud just a touch right. I was able to 179 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 1: clean it up easy with it with the die and 180 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 1: got the nuts off both sides, got the cat out, 181 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: put the pipe on, you know. But the question becomes, 182 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: g what if you can't get the nuts off, what 183 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 1: if you damage the stud? Then you gotta get into 184 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 1: a cat and then you're into the rest of the 185 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: exhaust auto rep. There's a game of it's nerve racking 186 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:07,559 Speaker 1: at times. It's it's something that it's hard to explain 187 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 1: until you live it. And I sat there, and you 188 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: know what, I got a real sense of pride out 189 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 1: of doing that. I was able to get something apart 190 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: without breaking. It's something that probably wasn't supposed to come apart. 191 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: No break, just fact. And you know that's what order 192 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:23,959 Speaker 1: repairs about. And that's what you may or may not 193 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: see from behind the scenes as a consumer. You may 194 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 1: not see that. You know, this is what it took 195 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 1: for the mechanic to get it through my customers. So 196 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:32,839 Speaker 1: because I took the two nuts off Scotch State to 197 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 1: the work order and I just wrote myself a note 198 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:36,839 Speaker 1: for later on to remember, or I would hand it 199 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 1: to a service writer and say, hey, make sure he 200 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: sees these. I wanted to understand why the time was 201 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: the time, because of what we were had to deal with. 202 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 1: And I think that's so important. You know, you've got 203 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: a right to know what's going on in the bay 204 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: when somebody's working on your car, and you've got a 205 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 1: right to see what it took to make that work 206 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 1: and to get that apart instead of replace pipe fo 207 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 1: or whatever the number is. And I think it's just 208 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 1: as important to get you know, a detail, a brief 209 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 1: three or four minutes at the counter. It doesn't have 210 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: to be a book as to get the information. Hey, 211 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 1: here's what we did, or take or pictures. Pictures go 212 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 1: a long way as it is to get a diagnostic report. 213 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 1: And the reason I say that is because I think 214 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 1: once you get to know your mechanic, if it's possible, 215 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:30,719 Speaker 1: once you get to know your mechanic and see what 216 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:34,559 Speaker 1: they do and how they do it, you'll either really 217 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: come to appreciate what they're doing in the way they're 218 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 1: doing it, or you'll think that this guy is not 219 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 1: for me and move on. You know, mechanics no different 220 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 1: than a doctor. Major differences. Doctor knows two models, mechanic 221 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 1: nos si. Um that old joke, right, So just just 222 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 1: you know, ask for hey, what did it take to do? 223 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 1: Was it involved? Was it hard? And see how they 224 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: handle that. Maybe then you'll understand why you're getting charged 225 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 1: what you're getting charged. But um, hopefully you don't try 226 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:05,839 Speaker 1: to do it during a full moon week because maybe 227 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: his mouse trap got attacked by squirrels or chipmunks. So 228 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: it was that kind of a week. Hey, this week 229 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 1: to sort of ease the tension. Are we gonna do 230 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 1: it this week? Tom, We're gonna get away the Michelin 231 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 1: swag bag from the folks that make Michelin belts and Idler. 232 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:21,319 Speaker 1: Polly don't know. All right, let's see what kind of 233 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 1: a day we have. Um, we've got it. We've got 234 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:25,439 Speaker 1: They don't have any tires in that swag bag. No, 235 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: they don't have any tires in that swag bag. They've 236 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: got What did they have in that swag bag from 237 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: the folks over at Michelin? Um Uh, a stainless steel tumbler, 238 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: a nice water cooler product, key ring, a digital tire 239 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: gage at baseball cap, and a cooler bag. So um, yeah, 240 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 1: some nice little Are you done playing with the stuff yet? Tom? 241 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 1: You know you gotta keep your fingerprints off the off 242 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: the tumbler because people were completing like polished everything I 243 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 1: play with. Okay, just just we'll leave it there. Zero 244 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:56,079 Speaker 1: nine zero zero run any of the car doctor. We 245 00:11:56,120 --> 00:12:12,959 Speaker 1: are back right after this need advice on how to 246 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 1: maintain that classic g t O. Ron is the guy 247 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: eight five five five zero nine nine zero zero. Here's Ron. 248 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 1: Let's get on over to I want to let's go 249 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 1: wander up to main and talk to Dan. Dan, what's 250 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: going on? How can I help you today? Running and 251 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: at your service? Yeah? Uh a long time listeners, first 252 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 1: time call. Thank you sir. I wanted to, uh want 253 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 1: to ask you and I don't know if you can 254 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: help me enough. We had a customer community to a 255 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 1: small restoration shop and he's got forty eight four f 256 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: five which is a ton and a half, and he 257 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:51,680 Speaker 1: wanted this to install a seven point three VIZ and uh, 258 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: there's no problem getting in this got a four old 259 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 1: Lady transmission and uh a full fifty right end. But 260 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 1: when it comes to the wire, Um, we wanted to 261 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: find out if we could get some kind of a 262 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 1: module to eliminate the computer and everything and run the 263 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 1: seven points three deep. I know, going back as old 264 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 1: as ninety three, there were still computer involvement in computer 265 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: enhancements on that on the seventh three power stroke to 266 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 1: make it work, you know, And I understand why he 267 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: wants to do it. It's a great engine. The things 268 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 1: bulletproof ran forever, you know, it was. It was a 269 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: great design. I don't know of any version of it. 270 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:31,839 Speaker 1: I'm just thinking further than that. I don't know of 271 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 1: any version of it that has that does not have 272 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 1: computer involvement. So then the question becomes how much of 273 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: it can you leave off away from Ford and you know, 274 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 1: so you don't have to have everything on there that 275 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:46,439 Speaker 1: Ford Ford calls for. There's you know, I'm not gonna 276 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:48,599 Speaker 1: say you can't, because in my mind, there's got to 277 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 1: be somebody out there that's done it and refined it 278 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 1: into a kit to convert that because the seventh three 279 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: is such large appeal across the board, you know, in 280 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: other applications, maybe just as a standalone piece of equipment 281 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: and a farm tractor for example. So I've got to 282 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 1: think somebody made a controller out there to do it, 283 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: because you know, you're gonna you're gonna have to basically 284 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: bypass a lot of what Ford would have involved there. Definitely, 285 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: you don't want to use wiring out of something ninety 286 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 1: six and newer because that's gonna be O b D 287 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: two emission requirements. Something nine five and older will have less. 288 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 1: Isn't an electronically shifted transmission? Is it that dot dan 289 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 1: is isn't an electronically shifted transmission? Well that's a poor lady, 290 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 1: I guess it does have what it came out of 291 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 1: a two thousand and one for each fifty right, right, 292 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 1: So you know the issues there are gonna be that 293 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 1: it's expecting you know, it's it's expecting electronics for you know, 294 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: an O one if I think that's what you said, 295 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 1: an O one E four fifty and you know that's 296 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 1: that's that's that's possibly to the shift kid and just 297 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 1: shift it with a stick, right. You know. The other 298 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: question comes back to it. I'm sure if you've been 299 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 1: doing and you've something you've been doing this a while 300 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 1: brother that you know, the first question is how deeper 301 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 1: his pockets? Anything can be done? You know, it's just 302 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: it's just can you afford it? Is? Is he prepared 303 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: for the trial and error? If nobody's ever done this, 304 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: you know, is he prepared for this? And then at 305 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 1: that point, do you just you know, do you go 306 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 1: find a wiring harness from a compatible vehicle and start 307 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: paring down pin by pin, wire by wire and just 308 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: make it, you know, into a computerized version of it. Uh? 309 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 1: You know, it's it's you know, I always question and 310 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 1: I understand people want something different in a hot rod 311 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 1: and they want to make it a little unique. But 312 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 1: then I always question how unique do you want to 313 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 1: make it? Because if Ford, if that used a Ford computer, 314 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 1: for example, or a barometric pressure sensor or UM an 315 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: injection diagnostic monitor box and I DM and Ford stop 316 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 1: making them, then you're hot roads as useless as a 317 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: as a newer vehicle that you can't get parts for, 318 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: you know, and that and that always weighs heavy on 319 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: my mind too. So, uh, you know, I would, I 320 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 1: would tell you ahead. I was good, DN you know, 321 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 1: you go ahead. Unfortunately we've already got the engine, mountain, 322 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 1: the transmission. We probably wouldn't have done it because I'm 323 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 1: kind of at at a point now where I have 324 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 1: to make it work. So I've only been doing this 325 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: since nineteen three, and I feel like I should have 326 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 1: stopped two years back. Well, you know what, live and learn. Look, 327 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: you know, I got It's funny you say that, right. 328 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: One of the things I always teach my text at 329 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: the shop is make sure that before we get involved 330 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: in the job, take the part out of the box. 331 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: The other day, I was working on that eleven Ford 332 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: Flex that I was talking about in Today's Open and 333 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 1: something made me. I pulled the car in I popped 334 00:16:58,040 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: the hood. I looked at the throttle body. I said, 335 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 1: that's what I've got to change. I said, let me 336 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: go to the shelf and I take the new one 337 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 1: out of the box, and it's broken. Before I took 338 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: the old one apart, I dodged the bullet. So you 339 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 1: know what, Sometimes sometimes you get the bear, sometimes the 340 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:12,679 Speaker 1: bear gets you. I would tell you. My closing thought is, 341 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:19,120 Speaker 1: Danny is perhaps there is a wiring remanufacturer out there. 342 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 1: There's a couple on the West coast in California. I 343 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:24,879 Speaker 1: can't think of a name. But if you give me 344 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 1: a minute, we can put it back up after the 345 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 1: break that perhaps you can tell them, hey, I need 346 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: a wiring harness. I have an O one f four fifty. 347 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: Maybe they can build you something, or perhaps somebody's making 348 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:37,159 Speaker 1: a performance kit of what you might need just for 349 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: that vehicle. Or go to a wiring diagram and just 350 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 1: break out, just break out the engine controller portion. But 351 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 1: I think you're gonna find that trans is gonna be 352 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 1: hard to convert to something non computerized because of its involvement. 353 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: There are no mechanical guts in that trans From what 354 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 1: I recall, it's all shifts solenoids and control assembly. So uh, 355 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 1: you know you've got to attack them monster at both 356 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 1: ends trans end engine in order to accomplish this. So 357 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:03,919 Speaker 1: if you need more, uh, Danny, send me an email 358 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 1: ron at card Doctor show dot com and I'll be 359 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 1: glad to dig into the files a little bit and 360 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: see what I can help you find. And kudos to 361 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:12,399 Speaker 1: your brother. You're tackling something. You know what you started 362 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:15,879 Speaker 1: in fifty three. You're you keep on trucking man. You're 363 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 1: going out with a bang, and you gotta really love that. 364 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 1: So I I admire the tenacity Until the next time. 365 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:22,160 Speaker 1: I'm not until the next time, until the next time. 366 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 1: Damn call me back. I'm on an Ania. We'll be 367 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:55,639 Speaker 1: back right after this. Welcome back ran the Car Doctor. Here. 368 00:18:56,840 --> 00:19:00,080 Speaker 1: Zero nine nine zero zero the phone number, and uh oh, 369 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 1: let's go to James and Virginia. James, Welcome to the 370 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 1: Car Doctor, sir. What's going on? Thank you so much. 371 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: I've got a Lincoln m k T. It's the suv 372 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:16,119 Speaker 1: uh and it's a I've got uh the three point 373 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:21,200 Speaker 1: five engine at the Piko Booster and I've been having 374 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 1: problems with the with the check engine light and so forth. 375 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 1: I've already had a tune up with the new spark plugs, 376 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 1: new call, all new coils, and uh, after that was done, 377 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 1: the check engine light went off and then it stayed 378 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 1: off for about two weeks. So now the check engine 379 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 1: light is back on. Now. Uh the car runs fine. 380 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:50,919 Speaker 1: Everything everything is uh seems to be okay. But uh, 381 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 1: and then I had a diagnostics done on the vehicle 382 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,959 Speaker 1: before they started anything on it. So they come up 383 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: with a number of fuel to air ratio codes. One 384 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:08,640 Speaker 1: was a P and then there's another one here, it's 385 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:13,640 Speaker 1: a P O four And and what they're telling me 386 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 1: is that the uh that well it says it it's 387 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 1: suspect that the catalytic converter is contaminating the O two sensors, 388 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 1: causing the readings to be off. So their cure is 389 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: to uh replace the catalytic converter. How many miles around 390 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:40,120 Speaker 1: this car, James H hundred three thousand burn any oil? Nope? Okay, Um, 391 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: so it's been serviced regularly. It was bought NEWE and 392 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,159 Speaker 1: you know, uh, you know, dealer changes the oil and 393 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 1: all that. So so let's let's let's do this separately, 394 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 1: all right, Um to A and there's a bunch of 395 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: two nineteen series codes. As a matter of fact, the 396 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:01,640 Speaker 1: P zero two nineteen by itself is an engine over 397 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 1: speed condition where the computers actually seen you're driving the 398 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:08,399 Speaker 1: car too fest So let's let's be sure this is 399 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: an A because the horseshoes and hand grenades, it's two 400 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 1: different things. Yeah, yeah, they were, they were. They were 401 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: all a's and and then and then I think I 402 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 1: think those are left in the bank from previously because 403 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 1: whenever you would step on the throttle, then then uh uh, 404 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:31,160 Speaker 1: cylinder number five would would miss byron, he'd be trugging 405 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: along and and then um, you know, check engine lights 406 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:36,439 Speaker 1: can come on and stuff, and then and then and 407 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 1: then and then it would go back to normal, you know, 408 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:42,159 Speaker 1: normal operations. But does it doesn't happen? Does it have 409 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:48,879 Speaker 1: misfire faults right now? James doesn't have misfire faults right now? No, no, no, okay, 410 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: So they resolved that, right, So that's that's resolved. And 411 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 1: because it is p O four, uh, you know, they're 412 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:00,640 Speaker 1: saying I need a new catalytic can order that that's 413 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:04,959 Speaker 1: bowling up the oxygen sensor. Well, you may need you 414 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: may need a new catalytic converter. But there actually have 415 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: got it backwards. The O two's there's you know, it's 416 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 1: looking at So let's here, let's do it this way. 417 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 1: Do you understand how they measure catalytic converter efficiency by chance? No? No, no, okay, 418 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 1: but but but the oxygen sensor is usually in front 419 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: of the catalytic converter. Well, no, there's there's an oxygen 420 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 1: sensor in front of the cat. There's an oxygen sensor 421 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 1: after the cat all right. The catalytic converter by design 422 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 1: will hold oxygen. All right. So basically, you know, exhaust 423 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 1: comes down the pipe, it hits that forward O two. 424 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 1: A reading is recorded, okay, and it's going to be switching. 425 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: If the O two sensor is doing its job, it's 426 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 1: going to be switching high to low. An oxygen sensor 427 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 1: and a basic system works from zero to one vault. 428 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 1: If you were to look at it on a scan 429 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:57,120 Speaker 1: tool and graph it, or if you were to look 430 00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 1: at it on a lamp scope set up properly, you 431 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 1: would see high for high of one vault, down to zero, 432 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 1: up and down, up and down, up and down. The 433 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 1: number of times it crosses the midpoint half a vault 434 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 1: is what we call across counter crossing the threshold, and 435 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 1: that will show you its activity. So one is frequency, 436 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: the other revoltage. How high or low the voltage goes, 437 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 1: How well can it react once the exhaust enters the 438 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: catalytic converter. All right, A catalytic converter will up to 439 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:31,400 Speaker 1: a point hold oxygen. So oxygen will drive an oxygen 440 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: sensor reading low or lean, lean and low they go together, 441 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 1: all right. If you were to make an air leak 442 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 1: on a vehicle with oxygen sensors, and you were looking 443 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:42,920 Speaker 1: at the front oh two, if you made a big 444 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,399 Speaker 1: enough air leak, that forward oh two is gonna stay 445 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 1: low all the time, all right, So if you took 446 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 1: oxygen away, you're gonna get a high reading. They measure 447 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: cat efficiency. They're looking and counting at movement on the 448 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 1: forward oh two, and they're looking at the rear O two, 449 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 1: the one after the cat. Okay, if an oxygen sensor 450 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,439 Speaker 1: is holding oxygen, where's my downstream O two gonna be? 451 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 1: It's gonna be high right low as a lean Low 452 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:15,400 Speaker 1: produces a lean signal. Lots of oxygen produces a lean signal. 453 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 1: All right, Well, we're we're rich, so our rear Ro 454 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 1: two is gonna be high. If you looked at a 455 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:23,119 Speaker 1: front O two and a Reiro two, you'd see the 456 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 1: front one switching high low high low high low. The 457 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: Reiro two looks like it fell asleep. It's hanging around 458 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 1: point seven point eight tens of a volt on average. Okay, 459 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 1: so eventually the downstream OH two, I'm sorry, the catalytic 460 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 1: converter either burps. It's kind of like a guy eating 461 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 1: the sandwich, right. I always explained it like this. Everybody 462 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:44,400 Speaker 1: kind of gets it. You can only eat so much. 463 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,160 Speaker 1: A catalytic converter just chomp, chomp, chomp, chomp chomp, its 464 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 1: store and oxygen store and oxygen store and oxygen until 465 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 1: it reaches capacity hiccup, all right, and the downstream OH 466 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:58,360 Speaker 1: two will all of a sudden drop low. All right. 467 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,400 Speaker 1: They can also tell the down stack. Can also test 468 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:06,639 Speaker 1: for cat efficiency by changing fuel mixture around and overloading 469 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,159 Speaker 1: the cat and realizing how long does it take to 470 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,359 Speaker 1: get to the point of switch right before the downstream 471 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: motwo goes low and does it pass oxygen storage capacity test? 472 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: How much oxygen can a catalytic converter store the usual 473 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 1: number is six. So if a vehicle is misfiring, I'm 474 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,239 Speaker 1: gonna go a little deeper here for you. And if 475 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 1: I'm losing you just say so. Um, let's talk about 476 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 1: the misfire. A misfire event in a vehicle does. What 477 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 1: if if a cylinder misfires, does it consume the fuel? No? No, no, 478 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 1: you have the raw fuel right going in the same 479 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:50,439 Speaker 1: thing with the oxygen. Right, there's no combustion. It's a 480 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 1: miss alright and simplest terms. So now all that raw 481 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,879 Speaker 1: fuel and the extra oxygen passes through the cat. Over time, 482 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: the cat gets so over loaded that can cause a 483 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:06,440 Speaker 1: catalytic converter to melt or fail. Because the catalytic converter 484 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,120 Speaker 1: is kind of a big dumb animal. It just sits there. 485 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 1: It keeps eating that sandwich until you can't eat anymore, 486 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 1: and it will just self destruct. So it's possible in 487 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 1: your case that the misfire you experienced on cylinder five 488 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: has damaged the cat. Okay, but that being said, there 489 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 1: are ways to test for it. The to nineteen concerns 490 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:34,119 Speaker 1: me because the two nineteen generally doesn't go with a 491 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:38,640 Speaker 1: catalytic converter failure. The most common thing I've seen with 492 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 1: uh t A, I'm sorry at to A. Are issues 493 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:49,199 Speaker 1: for example, UM, a fuel pressure issue, uh, you know, 494 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:51,959 Speaker 1: intake leaks coming up to the engine, Although that will 495 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 1: generally cause a lean fold. The most common is is 496 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,119 Speaker 1: the e g R port restricted because lack of e 497 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:00,640 Speaker 1: g R will skew fuel mixture readings and possibly cause 498 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 1: a false ton. Who's doing the diagnosis the dealer or 499 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 1: your regular mechanic? H this this? This was the dealers 500 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,680 Speaker 1: And are they you know, maybe they're explaining it wrong, 501 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: or maybe they're maybe they're not looking at the whole picture. 502 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:19,159 Speaker 1: You know, they aren't explaining it at all. Right, you 503 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,880 Speaker 1: know the ultimate question is your question is, Okay, it's 504 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 1: a catalytic converter? Do you guarantee this will fix the car? 505 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:31,159 Speaker 1: If the guy hesitates, he doesn't know bottom line, you know, 506 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 1: so uh bottom because you certainly don't want to put 507 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 1: put almost two thousand dollars into correct uh And he 508 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 1: still got the same problem correct. So you know, I 509 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 1: think you've got to go back to them and say, 510 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 1: can we tackle the two as a separate fault or 511 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:54,119 Speaker 1: are you saying the town is catalytic converter related? Because 512 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 1: how can the catalytic converter be skewing the O two's 513 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 1: unless the catalytic converter is so overloaded. But where did 514 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,199 Speaker 1: they Where did they get overloaded from? Well? Did the 515 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 1: misfire damage it? Well? You know, I think maybe maybe 516 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 1: is what says. It was left in the bank. So 517 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,880 Speaker 1: so the bank is the is the code grouping? Isn't it? Well? 518 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:21,680 Speaker 1: That the well unless they're saying that's a permanent diagnostic 519 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,879 Speaker 1: code that they're waiting for it to clear. So the 520 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,879 Speaker 1: other question you've got is which monitors have run or 521 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 1: not run? Tell you what, James, sit tight him and 522 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:33,880 Speaker 1: let me pull over, take a pause, pay some bills. 523 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,360 Speaker 1: When we come back, we'll finish up, and then we'll 524 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 1: move on. I'm running naming the car doctor. Don't go anywhere. 525 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 1: Welcome back where name the car doctor? James, you're still there. 526 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 1: Let me let me simplify this for you, all right, 527 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 1: because maybe I got into maybe I got you in 528 00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 1: a little over your head. This is a This is 529 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 1: a V six is a three five? Correct? All right? 530 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 1: So there's bank one, Bank two. P zero four twenty 531 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 1: is a catalytic converter efficiency code for Bank one. Okay, 532 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 1: you could also have a P zero four thirty, which 533 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 1: is a catalytic converter efficiency code for Bank two. So 534 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 1: I'm assuming, and I believe this to be correct. This 535 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 1: vehicle has two cats. It has one for Bank one, 536 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 1: one for Bank two. If your misfire was on cylinder five, 537 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 1: then I should be you should be telling me you've 538 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 1: got a P zero four thirty folt, not a four 539 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 1: four fault. There's you know the word preposterous. There's some preposterous. 540 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 1: There's something about this is preposterous. It's kind of cock eyed. 541 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 1: Either they're not telling you enough, or they're they're they're 542 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 1: telling you in a fragmented way, because I just you know, 543 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 1: this would be like somebody saying you need brain surgery 544 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 1: because your finger hurts. You know, tell me why, what's 545 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 1: the connection? I don't see the connection. And as a consumer, 546 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 1: you're paying for a diagnosis. You know, they gotta hold 547 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 1: your hand a little bit. Two grands a lot of money. 548 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 1: And my bigger concern is if the misfire was on 549 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 1: bank too, and this is a fauld code for Bank one, 550 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,719 Speaker 1: and they're you know, basically, if it's if it's plumbed, 551 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 1: if the exhaust is plumbed, the way I believe it 552 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,960 Speaker 1: to be plumbed. It's two separate systems. There's a right 553 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 1: bank and a left bank, and the pipe goes you 554 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 1: know what. You understand what I'm saying. There's a there's 555 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 1: a K and then and then after the two cats, 556 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 1: it joins together in a common muffler. So you know, 557 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 1: we're looking at two individual systems here. Now that being said, 558 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 1: if and I think you understand that at this point, 559 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 1: if you were looking at it on a scan tool, 560 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 1: if we wanted to test the catalytic converter for efficiency, 561 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 1: we'd grab the forward oh two, the downstream oh two, 562 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 1: I'd bring up our PM, I'd bring up cool and temp, 563 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 1: I bring up fuel mixture to go for a ride. 564 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 1: You know, does does my does my upstream? Does my 565 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 1: forward oh to show activity cross counts? Does my downstream 566 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 1: oh to show a flat line high above six tents 567 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:15,239 Speaker 1: of a volt? If it does that, cats working? So 568 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 1: why are they saying catalytic converter? Is there another contributing factor? 569 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 1: All right? And then the other thing I'm concerned about 570 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 1: is just because I don't have a P zero four thirty. Um, 571 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 1: you know, if if the cat fails at efficiency and 572 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 1: right now that left side that that bank to cat 573 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 1: is at sevent efficiency? Is it going to set a code? No? 574 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 1: Is it about to fail? Yeah? You get what I'm saying. 575 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,520 Speaker 1: Are they looking at the whole picture? So in a nutshell, 576 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 1: your job this week is to go back to them 577 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 1: talk about the A. And maybe they can't explain how 578 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 1: a T draws the correlation to a P zero four twenty. 579 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 1: But is a is one catalytic converter going to fix 580 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 1: the two nine and the cat fault. That's all you 581 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 1: gotta ask him and see what and see what they say. 582 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 1: Let's call their bluff and then call me back next week, 583 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 1: tell me what happens. All right, brother, You're very welcome. 584 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 1: You'd be well. Bye bye. I'm runing any of the 585 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 1: car Doctor, I'll return right after this. My oh my, 586 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,280 Speaker 1: another hour flies by and like that I r I 587 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 1: could be on radio Ron, any of the car Doctor, 588 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 1: We're back, um. Piece of email from Lake. Lake writes saying, hey, Ron, 589 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 1: I'm buying with an automatic transmission has about twenty six 590 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 1: thousand miles on a period have had regular royal changes 591 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 1: according car facts. I plan on having a fully scanned 592 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 1: and having coolant and break fluid changed immediately, issue appearance 593 00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 1: scan if and he will be addressed all but fifty 594 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,240 Speaker 1: hundred miles. We're in California. The rest in Wisconsin is 595 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 1: a too early to change the automatic transfluid? What else 596 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 1: should be done to a twelve year old car with 597 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 1: low mileage? Change everything? Um, if it's wet, change it. 598 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 1: I wouldn't base it on time period. I wouldn't base 599 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 1: it on mileage it's or I would base it on 600 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 1: time period. It's it's it's twelve years old. Um, I 601 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 1: would change all the fluids anything in there. I would 602 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 1: do a fuel system cleaning. Regardless of what the code 603 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 1: scans found. At twenty six thousand miles and twelve years, 604 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,400 Speaker 1: you're going less than what are you doing a year? 605 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 1: Not even you know, I think that you've got to 606 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 1: look at the fact that it's older. You know. The 607 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 1: other issue I've got, or the other concern I've got, 608 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:39,080 Speaker 1: is about parts. Miatas are getting tough. Um, they really are. 609 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 1: There's some very specific things about them. We service a 610 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 1: nineties six Miata on a regular basis and a lot 611 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 1: of the stuff is becoming non existent. Of course, it's 612 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,240 Speaker 1: you know, it's going on. What twenty years old. But still, 613 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 1: you know you've got to be prepared. I when I'm 614 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 1: saying old in twenty years old, thirty years old, ninety six, six, sixteen, Yeah, 615 00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,240 Speaker 1: it's coming up on thirty years old. Um, you know 616 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 1: it's it's parts are an issue, I think, and I've 617 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 1: adopted this in the last couple of years for myself. 618 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 1: I've adopted the idea that if I'm owning an older 619 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 1: vehicle and I no longer have a vehicle payment every 620 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:14,840 Speaker 1: every month, I sit down. Every couple of months, I 621 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 1: sit down and I start to think about what don't 622 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,239 Speaker 1: I have, and I buy one of it and I 623 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,760 Speaker 1: put it on the part shelf, and you know common 624 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 1: things I think. Last week I told you I've I 625 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 1: stocked window regulators now from my oh for suburban nothing 626 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,439 Speaker 1: wrong with them, but while I can still get them, Um, 627 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,600 Speaker 1: I've got them because I can't be guaranteed or promised 628 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:34,920 Speaker 1: that I will be able to get them in the 629 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 1: future if I'm going to continue to drive it. I 630 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 1: think Lake, You've got to consider that too. Um. Miatas 631 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 1: are neat. I've seen a lot of variations on them. 632 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 1: I've seen guys take out the factory engine and put 633 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,600 Speaker 1: in small V eights and they really go like heck uh, 634 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 1: they're super fast because they're super light. But um, you know, 635 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,520 Speaker 1: in the case of this one, all the fluids. Take 636 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,719 Speaker 1: a look at the brakes, make sure the calipers all move, 637 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,200 Speaker 1: the slide pins all move. To make sure that tires 638 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 1: are in good shape. Look for a date coat on 639 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,000 Speaker 1: the tires, make sure they're not older than eight years old. 640 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 1: And um, you know, motor on. But think about stockpiling 641 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,359 Speaker 1: some parts because sooner, at one point, sooner or later, 642 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,440 Speaker 1: at some point, you're gonna need him until the next 643 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 1: time I'm running Nady in the car. Doctor reminding each 644 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 1: and every one of you. Good mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless. 645 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:18,840 Speaker 1: See you