1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: Sexton Show Podcast. Second hour of Play and Buck kicks 3 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 1: off right now, and before I get into a tale 4 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: of two cities with New York and Chicago and some 5 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:18,079 Speaker 1: policy some things that are going on there. Just I 6 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: am watching right now on the feed four thousand migrants 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: have surged across the border illegally today, Fox News putting 8 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: this up on the TV screen. And as I'm looking 9 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 1: through this mass and I'm trying to think, where are 10 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: the other in Eagle Path, Texas. Yeah, I've been down 11 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: play to some to like an underpass, which this is 12 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:41,559 Speaker 1: what this looks like in El Paso, where they just 13 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:45,520 Speaker 1: had hundreds and hundreds of migrants all gathered for processing. 14 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: I mean, understand this. They're being processed, they're not afraid. 15 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 1: If this were under other circumstances, a lot of them 16 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: would just make a run for it, right. I mean, 17 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: there's no way you can see in the video. There's 18 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: a handful of border patrol, let's call it a I 19 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: don't know, a dozen or so, and there are people 20 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: who are just all gathered together. If they were concerned, 21 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 1: you know, they could just run and find their way 22 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: into the US interior. But they're being processed through the system, 23 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 1: and they know they will be released and they know 24 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 1: they will not be deported, and that is what is 25 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: going on right now. It's truly remarkable. We'll continue to 26 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 1: follow on the story. I think it's one of the 27 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 1: most important stories just in the country period, the fact 28 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: that we're at almost record high numbers. This should be 29 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: something that every major newspaper in the country follows day 30 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 1: in and day out. Of course they won't because it 31 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 1: is a political liability for Joe Biden right now and 32 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: the Democrats. This is when people see what's really going on, 33 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:49,559 Speaker 1: they don't like it. Forget all the polls that say, 34 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: do you know, is America nation of immigrants? Yeah, we've 35 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: all heard this a million times. It's not a nation 36 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: of illegal immigrants. And that is what it feels like. 37 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: It is becoming crazy idea. Tell me if you think 38 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: this is insane. 39 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 2: I believe that they have announced that the third Republican 40 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 2: debate is going to be in Miami, in your home. 41 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 2: That's where you live, now, Miami. That's great, We've got 42 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 2: a huge listenership in South Florida. Why not put the 43 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 2: third Republican debate in Egle. 44 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: Pass, Texas. I mean, I think that would I mean, 45 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: tell me why that wouldn't be. Every time you bring 46 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: up an idea that has the focus of or will 47 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: create the focus on the border, I think it's excellent 48 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 1: because I think people need to understand what's really going 49 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:41,639 Speaker 1: This is unprecedented, everybody, This is not business as usual. Yes, 50 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 1: you're gonna have by the time Biden could theoretically be 51 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 1: sworn in again, eight million new illegals in the country. 52 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 1: Eight million. We've been told they're eleven million total for 53 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 1: the last twenty years. Now, that's a lie, but that's 54 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 1: what they've been telling us based on the census data. 55 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 1: And let's see what the next census data says about 56 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: all the illegals that are believed to be in the country. 57 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: I just think Buck, your point is right. 58 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 2: The media is ignoring it, and that's why I've been saying, Hey, 59 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 2: if you're a contender, travel to the border, try to 60 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:15,239 Speaker 2: bring the media with you. But why wouldn't the Republican 61 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 2: Party as their third third debate. I understand they picked Miami, 62 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 2: right now, why couldn't they call an audible set up 63 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 2: a stage in Egle Pass, Texas. Force hundreds of media 64 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 2: that all come to cover that to have to come 65 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 2: and see what the border situation is like in in 66 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 2: in Texas. And then look, you can talk about multiple 67 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 2: issues at that debate. But I would build a stage 68 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 2: right near the wall in Eagle Pass, Texas. I would 69 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 2: put it outdoors. I would I would do a huge 70 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 2: third presidential debate for the Republican Party primary, and I 71 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 2: would bring everybody right there and start off the debate. Boom, 72 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 2: let's talk about the border situation. Biden won't go there. 73 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 2: I think it would force the conversation. 74 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: Now we'll continue to look at this day in a 75 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: day out because it is so important. I wanted to 76 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 1: bring up in New York City, which I will always 77 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: consider my hometown, even though technically technically I am a 78 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:21,799 Speaker 1: Floridian now, but in my heart I'm very much loved. 79 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 1: They will always be your hometown. New Yorker. Yeah, I'm 80 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:27,280 Speaker 1: a New Yorker. I'm a New Yorker you know right 81 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: now in exile. But here's what we've got. The New 82 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: York City Council at a time when New York has 83 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: had the mayor as we all know, say that the 84 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:42,600 Speaker 1: illegal migrant crisis. Bringing these things together could destroy the city. 85 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: We have billions and billions of dollars going to the 86 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:48,359 Speaker 1: migrant crisis. You still have crime way beyond what it 87 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 1: should be, and just general disorder. Clay, you know what 88 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:54,599 Speaker 1: the City Council is focusing on. It's kind of like 89 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: the Congress of the City of New York. What are 90 00:04:56,360 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: they focused on right now? The Cultural Affairs Committee yesterday 91 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 1: held a hearing to pull artwork from city property, including 92 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:15,160 Speaker 1: the following historical figures George Washington, Christopher Columbus, Thomas Jefferson, 93 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 1: and Peter Stuyvesant. Man. They're even going after Peter Stuyvesant 94 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 1: at this point, So for. 95 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 2: New Yorker's almost the story of Peter Stuyvesant. By the way, 96 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 2: I know they named the high school after him, which 97 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 2: is probably how most people are familiar with him. 98 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:31,039 Speaker 1: But what was he like an early governor? What was 99 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:34,039 Speaker 1: his history in New York? The most elite public school 100 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 1: in New York City that you only can get into 101 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:39,600 Speaker 1: by taking an examine scoring a certain percentile NBD. I 102 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 1: got in, but I didn't go. It's called Stuyvesant High School, 103 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: and it's name for Peter Stuyvesant, who was the is 104 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: also sty town Stuyvesant Town. People would say it's a 105 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:52,840 Speaker 1: huge housing not project as in like the projects that 106 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 1: people would perd of city housing, but it's a big 107 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: housing development. He was the Dutch governor. He was an 108 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 1: early Dutch governor of the island of Manhattan, you know, 109 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:05,919 Speaker 1: New Amsterdam, way back in the day. And he I 110 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 1: believe either was involved in or owned a handful of slaves. 111 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: I don't know the exact numbers, but that's why, as 112 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 1: I've always said, you know Ali who Yale as in 113 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:19,840 Speaker 1: Yale University. He was a slave trader, so his business 114 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: was in the trading of slaves. Yale University will never 115 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 1: change its name. It will never be you know, University 116 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 1: of East new Haven or something, because people go there 117 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 1: so they could say they went to Yale. They didn't 118 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 1: go there, so they could say they went to, you know, 119 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: the University of East new Haven or whatever. So that 120 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 1: the Peter Stuyvesan's on the block. The one that I 121 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 1: think is really interesting, Clay is because people get fired 122 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: up about this one. In New York. There's a large 123 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:49,479 Speaker 1: Italian American community in New York that is why we 124 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 1: can get excellent Italian food in New York, we cannot 125 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 1: really get such excellent Italian food in Miami. It's a 126 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 1: little sad. But side note, there's an there's a large 127 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:01,159 Speaker 1: Italian American community Christopher Columbus as in Columbus Circle. The 128 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 1: left really wants to tear down this stretch, this statue. 129 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: They really want that one, I think more than almost 130 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: any of the others, just because people feel passionately about 131 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: Christopher Columbus and Columbus Circle. So, Hugh, you know what 132 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: I'm talking about, right, Oh yeah, it's I mean everybody 133 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: who's been in New York City, Yes, I say, I 134 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: mean it's hard right in front of it, in front 135 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 1: of the old CNN headquarters. Now CNN has moved, but 136 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 1: it's right there near the Time Warner Center in New York. 137 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 2: Right by, and they wank Central Park for people who 138 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 2: have walked through, like you can see it as a 139 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 2: big main entry point to Central Park. 140 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: I just want to know who are we supposed to 141 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: replace all of these people with, Like what who are 142 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: we allowed to make statues of? Really, this is what 143 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: I find fascinating. Like there's obviously the argument about why 144 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: are we judging people by the standards of today. We're 145 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:46,679 Speaker 1: not elevating the things they did wrong. We're not elevating 146 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: their immorality. We're elevating, you know, the one thing that 147 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 1: they did that was really important for world history or whatever. Yeah, 148 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: who do they want to replace it with? You know 149 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: what I mean? Like, who are we just supposed to 150 00:07:57,080 --> 00:08:01,239 Speaker 1: have statues of community organizers from the eighties and the nineties, 151 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: Like who are we supposed to be able to put 152 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: up and celebrate as a community and as a society 153 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 1: as a country. 154 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 2: Well, this is why I made a big argument about 155 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 2: this in my book. You know, Martin Luther King Junior 156 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 2: used to give advice crazy in the nineteen fifties. He 157 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 2: wrote an advice column I believe in Ebony magazine. Nobody 158 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 2: has any idea about this and because it doesn't get 159 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 2: a lot of attention. But one of the questions he 160 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:27,559 Speaker 2: got in the nineteen fifties was from a young black 161 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 2: kid who said that he was attracted to he was 162 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 2: a boy and he was attracted to other boys. You 163 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:36,079 Speaker 2: know what Martin Luther King's advice was, you need to 164 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:40,959 Speaker 2: see a psychiatrist. You need to get healed from your 165 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 2: gay feelings. This is not something innate, This is something 166 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 2: probably cultural. You need to basically fix yourself and decide 167 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 2: that you like girls. Martin Luther King Junior, by modern standards, 168 00:08:55,440 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 2: is a monster homophobe. If any political candidate today said 169 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 2: that if you are gay, you need to go to 170 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 2: gay training reformation camp and go see psychiatrists and decide 171 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 2: that you want to be with members of the opposite sex, 172 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 2: that person would be castigated at a level that I 173 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 2: don't even know what beyond any comprehension, right, because it 174 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 2: would be totally unacceptable to have that political belief now 175 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 2: and be running for any kind of statewide office or 176 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 2: any kind of high level office. So Martin Luther King's 177 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 2: a homophobe? Should we tear down the MLK memorial in Washington, DC? 178 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 2: Based on modern standards, Martin Luther King's opinion of gay 179 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 2: people is totally unacceptable. My point on this, Buck is 180 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 2: as soon as you puncture the identity politics wall, because really, 181 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 2: to answer your question, it's only white men to mine, 182 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:54,679 Speaker 2: not can you remember anybody other than white men that 183 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 2: they're trying to pull down statues of. 184 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: I think somewhere they tried to pull down a stat 185 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: of Gandhi during the whole BLM thing. The team, let's 186 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 1: check me on that one. But I think they were like, 187 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 1: I don't like this Gandhi and the nonviolence and the stuff. 188 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: I think they But Gandhi, by the way, to tie 189 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: this in was Martin Luther King Junior's model when it 190 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: came to nonviolent protest in the Civil rights era South, 191 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: which would be so Gandhi. I'm sorry calls to remove 192 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:33,959 Speaker 1: racist Gandhi statue in Leicester Square in the UK because 193 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 1: they're there and this was during a BLM protest, so 194 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 1: there that this does this does happen? Oh, I'm sorry? 195 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: They could they they went, they went, uh, what do 196 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 1: you call it? They need to Gandhi here. I didn't 197 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: even know this. The online petition accuses the Indian Indian 198 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: independence campaigner of being a racist and a sexual predator 199 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:02,199 Speaker 1: because of his well documented anti black racism, according apparently 200 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: about Gandhi. And I don't know about that. I didn't 201 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 1: know about the sex stuff. 202 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 2: But how many black people would Gandhi have been interacting 203 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 2: with on a regular basis. I don't presume that the 204 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 2: population of India was filled with that many black people. 205 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 2: Maybe I'm wrong and was he just I also, to 206 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 2: be fair, would not have expected that Gandhi was just 207 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 2: banging people left and right. 208 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 1: Maybe that is. 209 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 2: That definitely like that definitely doesn't square with my image 210 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 2: of Gandhi as the guy who set in like a 211 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 2: robe and you know, ate out of a bowl with 212 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 2: his hands. That he also was just like a lady 213 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 2: killer and just you know, banging people left and right. 214 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: Maybe it was going on. I don't know. See I 215 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 1: questioned the historical record there a. 216 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 2: Bit, but that one that one was particularly uh, there 217 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 2: is at least one brown person that it was in England, 218 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 2: to be it wasn't in the United States. I can't 219 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 2: remember a brown person in the United States having their 220 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 2: statue torn down. I can't remember the last time anybody 221 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 2: on the left got upset about anything that anyone did 222 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 2: around the world. Who other than other than somebody who 223 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 2: is white, you know, before the twentieth century, I was 224 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 2: trying to think about this. Well, I remember having fun 225 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 2: with this. You know, ESPN has got all these woke 226 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 2: lunatics that and that that are employed at the network 227 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 2: that are constantly, like, you know, convinced that America is 228 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 2: the worst place that's ever existed, even though they work 229 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:25,719 Speaker 2: at a sports network and get paid well to talk 230 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 2: about who's going to win a game. I remember they 231 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 2: broadcast live buck from Caesar's palace and I was like, well, 232 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 2: Caesar is one of the foremost enslavers in world history. 233 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 1: I mean killed killed huge numbers of people in a 234 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:42,719 Speaker 1: war of conquest. Correct, what's the what's the word? As 235 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 1: a tacitus, he created a desert and called it peace, 236 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 1: or he created a wasteland and called it peace. It 237 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 1: was basically he didn't do what he wanted. He killed everybody. 238 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 2: Well, so my point on this is we basically to 239 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 2: your point, and I think it's a good one. We 240 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 2: basically have pretended that slavery only existed in the United 241 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 2: States for about one hundred and fifty years and ignored 242 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 2: that slavery existed everywhere around the world, and that every 243 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 2: single person listening to us right now, every single one 244 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 2: of you listening to us right now, likely has the 245 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 2: blood both of enslaved and enslavers inside of you, because 246 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:21,200 Speaker 2: your ancestors were likely to both have been slaves and 247 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 2: to have enslaved people at some point over the last 248 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 2: you know, fifty thousand years. 249 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 1: So who is able to be celebrated at a statue. 250 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 1: But don't you think that's funny? Like nobody says like 251 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: we have tear down Caesar's palace. Nobody's like, why don't 252 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 1: we have statues of Julius Caesar on in. People are dumb, 253 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: they don't understand history. But it is funny, like where 254 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 1: it's drawn if people. I mean, the Vikings we all 255 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 1: think of as like Minnesota and like the Horns, and 256 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 1: you know the whole thing, right. 257 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 3: Vikings were raping and pillaging all over Europe and slaving 258 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:54,959 Speaker 3: the whole thing. I mean, the Vikings were a menace 259 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 3: and you know they go there, they pillage the monasteries 260 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 3: in you know, in al along the Irish coast, that 261 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 3: killed all the monks, They enslaved the women. 262 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we think of Vikings asuger. You'll 263 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 1: blow in their in their whatever it is horns. 264 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 2: But yeah, it is funny because basically to your point, 265 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 2: the reason why there's a very limited group of people 266 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 2: trying to tear down a very limited number of statues 267 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 2: is because people are so historically illiterate they don't even 268 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 2: understand how insanely inconsistent there being. 269 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 1: But what is acceptable. Now. What I mean because I 270 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 1: think where this goes is there there'll be a push 271 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 1: to elevate the truly mediocre and the unimportant, and that 272 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: that's part of the degradation of society, meaning that the 273 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: only people you're gonna be able to make statues of 274 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: nobody cares, nobody knows what they did and it didn't matter. Yeah, 275 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 1: that's what I think is going to But that's what 276 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: I think the left will do if they get their way. 277 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: It's all gonna be you know, people who, like I said, 278 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 1: I'll be like community organizers you've never heard of. You're like, wait, 279 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 1: what that's a statue? Is a statue of this guy? 280 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 2: And let me just hammer this home quickly here or 281 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 2: I live in Franklin buck basically on a Civil War battlefield. 282 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 2: There is a Confederate soldier in the town square that 283 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 2: has been there for over one hundred years. People got 284 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 2: upset during this you know, woke movement that we've had, 285 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 2: and they said, hey, what if we put up a 286 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 2: statue of black soldiers who fought in the Civil War 287 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 2: from the same area. And they did it, and I 288 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 2: think it actually makes downtown Franklin better. 289 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 1: So my question for all of you. 290 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 2: When we talk so much about tearing things down, why 291 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 2: don't we just build more instead of having to tear 292 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 2: down a statue or a memorial or anything else which 293 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 2: is operating under the idea buck that like this is 294 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 2: all zero sum games, why don't we just add more 295 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 2: historical context. I don't understand why that's not the natural reaction. 296 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 2: As a person who studied history and majored in history 297 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 2: and thought about being a history PhD, I want more 298 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 2: historical knowledge, not less. Why can't we build more statues 299 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 2: instead of tearing down the ones that exist? 300 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 4: Now? 301 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I always am curious who were allowed to celebrate? 302 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: Now they'll tell us who you can't, but who is? 303 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 1: It's constantly shifting, you know, because some of these people 304 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 1: who are like tear down that statue at Jefferson, they'd 305 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 1: be like, I think that new bust of Jay Gavar 306 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 1: is really cool. 307 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 4: You know. 308 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 1: You said to say, oh, okay, yeah, they don't really 309 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 1: know very much about Ernesto Guevara Guevara and what he did. 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We know you're 364 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: so anytime something goes down in this world, you're very busy. 365 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 1: So thanks for making the time for us. The ray 366 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 1: Epps stuff. We know that he has now been charged 367 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:37,399 Speaker 1: one charge. Tell us you know about what's happening with 368 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:39,879 Speaker 1: this with ray Epps and how this fits into the 369 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: broader context, because you know, yesterday the headline was ray 370 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 1: Epps whom Tucker Carlson accused of a conspiracy. I'm like, whoa, 371 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:49,640 Speaker 1: We're bringing Tucker into this? What's going on here? 372 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:53,159 Speaker 5: Right? So if you listen to the corporate media or 373 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 5: an kin Zinger, or even DOJ officials, ray Epps is 374 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 5: nothing more than a victim of right wing conspiracy theorists 375 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:06,640 Speaker 5: like Ozin Tucker people on Fox News. But look this 376 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 5: slap on the wrist that he got yesterday, Finally, one 377 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:15,880 Speaker 5: low level missdemeanor count against ray Apps. Despite his activities 378 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:20,199 Speaker 5: that we see on video January fifth and throughout January sixth, 379 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 5: he gets away without one misdemeanor count. Not only was 380 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 5: this count just announced yesterday, he's already accepting his pre 381 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 5: deal pre deal today. So the case is basically open 382 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 5: and closed in twenty four hours. All we have to 383 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,679 Speaker 5: do now is a way to sentencing recommendation from DJ, 384 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 5: which could take a year, and they're hoping that people 385 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:44,919 Speaker 5: will lose interest in this story. But the idea that 386 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 5: this one count and the corporate medias cover up of this, 387 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 5: that oh, now, this exonerate is Ray Apps and it 388 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 5: incriminates people like Tucker, Carlson and others. It doesn't because 389 00:20:56,320 --> 00:21:00,880 Speaker 5: claim Buck ray Epps, if the DJ was applying law equally, 390 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 5: would be facing a multi count criminal indictment, including felonies 391 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 5: such as obstruction of an official proceeding conspiracy to obstruct 392 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 5: civil disorder, all of these felony counts that have been 393 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 5: slapped against more than three hundred January sixth defendants, including 394 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 5: President Donald Trump. But yet he gets away with a 395 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,919 Speaker 5: slap on the wrist, the cases closed, his defamation lawsuit 396 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 5: against Fox still moving forward, and somehow is portrayed as 397 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 5: the only victim on January sixth, when everyone else is 398 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 5: an insurrectionist for domestic terrorism. Still does not add up. 399 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 1: What do you think is going on? 400 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 2: Julie Buck and I I don't know if you saw 401 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 2: this Wall Street Journal article from Monday that said basically 402 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 2: Biden and Merrick Garland are now at odds, and Biden 403 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 2: is mad at Merrick Garland because Hunter has now been charged. 404 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 2: The plea agreement fell apart, you know, And I think 405 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:57,640 Speaker 2: we've talked about it before. There was that New York 406 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:02,160 Speaker 2: Times front page article where the President was basically quoted 407 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 2: as saying it wasn't him, but sources said the President 408 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 2: was super upset with how slow Merrick Garland had been 409 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:10,919 Speaker 2: moving in prosecution Trump. 410 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 1: And then all of a. 411 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,679 Speaker 2: Sudden, Jack Smith gets appointed and everything starts to move faster. 412 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 2: Sometimes the media is used to send messages back and forth. 413 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:22,920 Speaker 1: What do you think the relationship now is like between 414 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 1: Biden and Garland? Do you buy into the idea that 415 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 1: there is dismay, discord, disagreement there. 416 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,159 Speaker 5: I don't, and I tweeted that I think Monday as 417 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 5: soon as I read the Wall Street Journal piece that 418 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 5: was pure spin that it is intended to convince the 419 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 5: American people. You know that Merrick Garland is acting independently 420 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 5: and upsetting the president. Those two that the White House 421 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 5: and DOJ are not in cahoots, not just to protect 422 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 5: Hunter Biden and the Biden family, but also to round 423 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 5: up the foes of this regime. Whether it's January sixth defendants, 424 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 5: everyone accept right up pro life activists, including seventy year 425 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 5: old grandmothers who are now riding in a DC gulag, 426 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 5: taken into custody after they were convicted by d C jury. 427 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 5: You name it, Donald Trump, his associates, people like Representative 428 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 5: Scott Perry. I mean, this is what this DJ is 429 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,919 Speaker 5: spending all of its time and resources on. So I 430 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,120 Speaker 5: don't buy that there's this conflict between the White House 431 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:29,479 Speaker 5: and DJ. It's puer spin to make it seem like 432 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 5: Biden White House's hands off on DOJ. DJ is working 433 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 5: independently despite any pressure from the White House. Simply is 434 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:39,879 Speaker 5: not true because we see what's coming out of this 435 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 5: DJ daily prosecutions, daily arrests still for Trump supporters related 436 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 5: to January sixth, So it just is peerspin and nothing 437 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 5: valid can back up that. Wellstreet Journals. 438 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 1: You know, Julie, we haven't had a chance yet on 439 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 1: the show to talk about you mentioned the seven year 440 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 1: old grandmothers who are facing eleven years in federal prison 441 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: for block The charge or the issue is that they 442 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:11,199 Speaker 1: were blocking access to an abortion clinic. Right, Can you 443 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 1: tell everybody a little bit of the details of that, 444 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 1: because that's a that's a really frightening case and shows, 445 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,640 Speaker 1: I think the degree of weaponization that this DOJ under 446 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 1: Biden has gone to. 447 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:24,919 Speaker 5: That's right. And so this has to do with the 448 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:31,680 Speaker 5: face app which is prosecuting individuals allegedly for conspiring to 449 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 5: blockade abortion clinics. This dates back to an incident in 450 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 5: October of twenty twenty, a case that had been dropped 451 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 5: really but was revitalized by both the Civil Rights Division 452 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 5: at DOJ and Matthew Graves, the US attorney for the 453 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 5: District of Columbia, who is the one still prosecuting J sixers. 454 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,920 Speaker 5: He is now prosecuting pro lifers. So what they're doing 455 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 5: is the same thing we see with J six cases. 456 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:03,879 Speaker 5: They are hauling these Americans before rigged DC jury's made 457 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 5: up of voters in a city that's one hundred percent Democrat. 458 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 5: They are quickly convicted of whatever crimes Matthew Graves and 459 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,919 Speaker 5: DJ puts in front of them, and in this case, 460 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 5: really egregiously, these individuals and I believe there's eight total 461 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 5: in this case specifically, are immediately taken into custody at 462 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,160 Speaker 5: the orders of a Clinton appointed judge, eighty year old 463 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 5: judge who should have long retired. So not only are 464 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 5: they awaiting a potential sentence of eleven years in prison, 465 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,879 Speaker 5: they were taken into custody at the request of this 466 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 5: DOJ Matthew Grace and the consent of this Democrat judge. 467 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,399 Speaker 5: This is a tiny sliver of what's been happening in 468 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 5: this courthouse for years for Trump supporters, or conservatives, pro 469 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 5: life activists, you name it. So again I go back 470 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 5: to laughing at the idea that the Biden, White House 471 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,880 Speaker 5: and Merrick Garland's doj are not working in Cahoot's hand 472 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:03,120 Speaker 5: in hand every day to criminalize political dissent and throw 473 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 5: their perceived political opponents in jail. 474 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 2: Julie, the trial in theory for Trump in DC is 475 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,439 Speaker 2: scheduled for March. I know you've had your finger on 476 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 2: the pulse of so many of these trials that have 477 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 2: been taking place. If you had to predict, now, do 478 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 2: you think Trump's trial in Washington, d C will actually begin? 479 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,639 Speaker 2: I think they set it for March fourth or March fifth. 480 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 2: Do you think it'll actually start then? 481 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,680 Speaker 5: I don't. I still don't believe so. And I still 482 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,879 Speaker 5: don't believe that Special Council Jack Smith is done with 483 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 5: Donald Trump related to January sixth. And I'll tell you 484 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:42,920 Speaker 5: an important reason why. And I'm going to be covering 485 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:48,920 Speaker 5: this right now. There are pending CERTs, the certification before 486 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,880 Speaker 5: the Supreme Court to overturn the use of this obstruction 487 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 5: of an official preceding felony, this fifteen twelve seat you 488 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 5: post on run statutes that has never been used this 489 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 5: way before splintered ruling out of the DC Circuit the 490 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 5: Appellate Court. So now the Supreme Court might have the 491 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 5: opportunity to take up that charge, and they could agree 492 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,360 Speaker 5: to do this next month. You guys, if the Supreme 493 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 5: Court takes up that challenge to the use of that 494 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,640 Speaker 5: that relates to two out of four accounts that Jack 495 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:23,160 Speaker 5: Smith has in his indictment against Donald Trump, that will 496 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 5: immediately send a message to DOJ and to Jacksmith that 497 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 5: the use of that melony count is in serious jeopardy. 498 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,199 Speaker 5: So he will be under pressure to bring additional counts, 499 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 5: which I think he's already doing because his DC grand 500 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 5: jury is still working and he still has six unindicted 501 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 5: co conspirators in the initial indictment. I still firmly believe 502 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,159 Speaker 5: Jacksmith is going to bring additional charges, add codependents and 503 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 5: a superseding indictment, and that will automatically delay the trial 504 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 5: past the scheduled date of March fourth. 505 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 2: That's huge, Actually, what you just said, I didn't know 506 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,400 Speaker 2: about that with the Supreme Court, because then that would 507 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:05,879 Speaker 2: allow Trump's attorneys to say, we can't stand trial for 508 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,679 Speaker 2: something that the Supreme Court may determine is not a 509 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:14,159 Speaker 2: viable ground of felony charge, and that would then guarantee 510 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 2: that this wouldn't happen until after the election, which would 511 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 2: allow and this is smart, Julie, I appreciate you letting 512 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 2: us know. That would then allow the Supreme Court to 513 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 2: basically keep Trump from being charged in this case until 514 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 2: after the election and potentially punt in the event that 515 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 2: he won, then he would go ahead and pardon himself, 516 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 2: and that might keep the Supreme Court from having to 517 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:37,879 Speaker 2: step in directly in this case. 518 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 5: Well, what will happen is if the Supreme Court next 519 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 5: month agrees to take up this matter, Donald Trump's lawyers, 520 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 5: I assume, will immediately move to dismiss those counts because 521 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 5: it will be it is in legal limbo. Yes, I 522 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 5: cover the fifteen twelve count since early twenty twenty one. 523 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 5: I covered the appellate ruling even more. One judge called 524 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 5: it a splintered ruling. There was no clear cut decision 525 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 5: in that the full DC Circuit refused to take it up, 526 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 5: which is why at least three there are at least 527 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 5: three starts pending before the Supreme Court. So, and I 528 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,959 Speaker 5: keep meaning to get to this for so much breaking news, 529 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 5: but I want to cover this in detail. But it's 530 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 5: sort of breaking news right now with you guys. Is 531 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 5: that if the Supreme Court, and it's expected to do 532 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 5: it next month. There's already been a report on this 533 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 5: on Scotis Blog that they feel that the Supreme Court 534 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:32,479 Speaker 5: will take this up huge blow not just to Jack Smith, 535 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 5: but the three hundred plus defendants who have faced this 536 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 5: meelany charge have been convicted or taken clee deals, have 537 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 5: spent years in prison for convictions of this, such as 538 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 5: Jacob Chansley. This will be a massive black eye for 539 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 5: the DOJ well deserved and trust me, I pray for 540 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 5: this like every day that this is going to happen, 541 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 5: happen to them. 542 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 1: Like everybody subscribe to her substack. She's doing phenomenal work. 543 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 1: She has been dogged in this and and trying to 544 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 1: get justice for everybody affiliated with Jay six, but also 545 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,959 Speaker 1: just for the American people. Julie, thank you so much 546 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 1: for being here. We always appreciate it. 547 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 5: Thanks for having me on. 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Let me make sure I want 576 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 2: to get the This is Representative Thomas Massey of Kentucky 577 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 2: grilling Merrick Garland on Ray Epps only being indicted for misdemeanors. 578 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 6: Listen, when I said how many agents or assets of 579 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 6: the government were present on January fifth and January sixth 580 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 6: and agitating in the crowd to go into the capitol, 581 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 6: and how many went into the capitol? 582 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 1: Can you answer that now? 583 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 5: I don't know the answer to that question. 584 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 6: Oh, last time, you don't know how many there were 585 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:09,200 Speaker 6: or there were none. 586 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 1: I don't know the answer to either of those questions. 587 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 1: If there were any. 588 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 3: I don't know how many. 589 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 1: You know whether there are any. 590 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 6: I think you may have just perjured yourself that you 591 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 6: don't know that there were any. You want to say 592 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 6: that again, that you don't know that there were any. 593 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 1: No personal knowledge of this matter. I think what I 594 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 1: said the last time. 595 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 6: You've had two years to find out and today, by 596 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 6: the way, that was in reference to ray EPs and 597 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:31,720 Speaker 6: yesterday you indicted him. 598 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:32,640 Speaker 1: Isn't that a. 599 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 6: Wonderful coincidence on a misdemeanor. Meanwhile, you're sending Grandma's to prison. 600 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 6: You're putting people away for twenty years for merely filming. 601 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 6: Some people weren't even there yet. You got the guy 602 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 6: on video, he's saying, go into the capitol. He's directing 603 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 6: people to the capitol before the speech ends, he's at 604 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 6: the site of the first breach. 605 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 1: You've got all the goods on. 606 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 6: Him, ten videos, and it's an indictment for a misdemeanor. 607 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 6: The American public isn't buying it. 608 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,080 Speaker 2: That's what we were just talking with Julie Kelly about 609 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 2: Buck And credit to Representative Thomas Massey for pointing out 610 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 2: just doesn't add up. They're throwing the book at virtually 611 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 2: anyone that they have on video doing anything remotely improper 612 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 2: associated with January sixth, and this guy gets basically no 613 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 2: punishment at all. And again, we do need to know 614 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:27,960 Speaker 2: how many federal agents were there in the Trump audience 615 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 2: and fomenting and encouraging the entry of the Capitol. I mean, 616 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 2: I would just I don't even know what the over 617 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 2: under would be of FBI agents that were in that 618 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 2: in that in that crowd, and in that group storming 619 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,840 Speaker 2: into the Capitol. But certainly, I would say at a 620 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 2: minimum dozens. I don't think that's a crazy idea that 621 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 2: they would have had dozens of undercover agents in that crowd. 622 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,240 Speaker 1: Well, also, how about how about the American people deserve 623 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 1: to know? So what's the number? Yeah, like Merrick Garland saying, well, 624 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know. Okay, it should be I'll 625 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:05,840 Speaker 1: get back to I'll get back to you with that number. 626 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:07,560 Speaker 1: I can tell you what that number is. The American 627 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 1: people have a right to know. This is supposed to 628 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 1: be the most dangerous thing that's happened in this country. 629 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,600 Speaker 1: Some say since nine to eleven. Crazier people say it's 630 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:17,360 Speaker 1: even more dangerous. They go all the way back to 631 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 1: like a civil war. I mean, yeah, people have completely 632 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 1: and I'm not talking about random folks on the internet. 633 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,160 Speaker 1: I mean members of Congress. I'm talking about you know, 634 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 1: Democrat royalty say this kind of stuff. So if it's 635 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,359 Speaker 1: that big of a deal, don't we have the right 636 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:38,279 Speaker 1: to real transparency over who was there and what was 637 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,799 Speaker 1: really going on? Because people should know if there were 638 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,040 Speaker 1: people in that We've seen this in other cases. I 639 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 1: saw this was always a concern, even in counter terrorism 640 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 1: cases where you're working against really bad people that want to, 641 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,480 Speaker 1: you know, blow up subways or blow up a school 642 00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 1: or a bridge or whatever. You know, the agents, if 643 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,359 Speaker 1: you have undercover agents, gotta be careful where they're not 644 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,400 Speaker 1: badgering people into well, come on, do this, do this 645 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,719 Speaker 1: illegal thing. You've got to do this illegal thing right there. 646 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,480 Speaker 1: Entrapment is not an easy defense for people to make, 647 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,920 Speaker 1: and certainly it wouldn't work entirely in the context of 648 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,279 Speaker 1: a massive riot, but people should know. I think we 649 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,400 Speaker 1: have a right to know if there were federal officers 650 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,759 Speaker 1: who were in that, who were in that crowd, who 651 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 1: were saying, you know, yeah, go go get it, go 652 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,920 Speaker 1: do this or that. That's part of the transparency that 653 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,920 Speaker 1: should come out here. No, no gym in North Carolina. 654 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:31,080 Speaker 1: By the way, I said, I get a couple of 655 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 1: calls you wanted to weigh in. We were talking about 656 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,479 Speaker 1: tearing down statues and Gandhi had been targeted in Lester 657 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:40,799 Speaker 1: Square in London based on being racist. You have some 658 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:41,480 Speaker 1: knowledge of that. 659 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:47,360 Speaker 4: Actually. A few years ago I read a biographies on 660 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:51,359 Speaker 4: Garndhy and he spent a bit of time. I don't 661 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:55,600 Speaker 4: remember exactly how much in apartheid South Africa. 662 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 1: But I do remember. 663 00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:02,279 Speaker 4: That that's where the recent accusations rate comes from. What's 664 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,480 Speaker 4: that time he spent in South Africa. 665 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:09,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, so anything that he actually said, well. 666 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:10,879 Speaker 2: Thank you for that update, that would explain. I didn't 667 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,400 Speaker 2: think there would have been a lot of black interaction 668 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,920 Speaker 2: in India, so Gandhi, that's evidently where it comes from. 669 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,440 Speaker 2: Buck and then Roger and Naples, Florida also had another 670 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 2: recollection of tearedowns of statues. 671 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:28,080 Speaker 1: Roger, what you got for us with the discussion? 672 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,719 Speaker 5: You talked about no black people being torn down? 673 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,120 Speaker 4: And I think the mob, in their ignorance of history, 674 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,960 Speaker 4: did tear down the statue of Frederick Douglas the black abolitionists. 675 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 2: Did that happen. We'll have to look that up. Thank 676 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,040 Speaker 2: you for that. If that's true, We'll look it up 677 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:42,719 Speaker 2: and see whether or not that happened. That of course 678 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:47,880 Speaker 2: would be bonkers. But these people are not known, the 679 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,279 Speaker 2: statue teardowners for their great knowledge of. 680 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:54,920 Speaker 1: History, almost like the statue destroyers are just unhappy Marxist 681 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,600 Speaker 1: no contents who just want to see the world burn 682 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:02,040 Speaker 1: and don't really have a philosophy. I think that's accurate.