Speaker 1: Guess what mango? What's up? Will? So I was reading
Speaker 1: about this anthropologist Robert Lohman, and in the nineties Loman
Speaker 1: went to popa New Guinea to study the Assabano people.
Speaker 1: So it was his first night there and one of
Speaker 1: the elders keeps apologizing to him because he couldn't sleep
Speaker 1: over with him, like he wanted to share a bed
Speaker 1: with Loman, but he had a few prior commitments. So
Speaker 1: Loman's a little confused, right, But then he keeps getting
Speaker 1: these offers from other men, and he quickly realizes this
Speaker 1: is not a sexual thing. It's their version of hospitality,
Speaker 1: like to make sure you sleep well and feel welcomed.
Speaker 1: The Assabana make it a priority to offer you some
Speaker 1: conversation and body warmth. And also they tell Loman having
Speaker 1: a local in the room will protect him from witchcraft.
Speaker 1: So you know, all good things. But what's funny is
Speaker 1: that sharing a bed with strangers, especially while traveling, used
Speaker 1: to be common practice. I was reading this book Wild Nights,
Speaker 1: and and if the author talks about how it shows
Speaker 1: up in Erasmus writing, it's disgusted moby dick. But the
Speaker 1: funniest account to me was from the seventeenth century diarist
Speaker 1: Samuel Peeps. Why's that well? Peeps used to keep this
Speaker 1: log of all of his bed mates, scoring them on
Speaker 1: the quality their conversation, making a note if they did
Speaker 1: too much tossing and turning. Can you imagine how nerve
Speaker 1: racking of you to share a bed with him? I mean,
Speaker 1: I feel like I spend a whole night worrying if
Speaker 1: I was hugging the sheets, or like, think about if
Speaker 1: my pillow talk was good enough. I want a good
Speaker 1: review too. It's very nerve wracking. So well, speaking of
Speaker 1: pillow talk, what do you say? We dive into this
Speaker 1: episode on sleep Hei their podcast listeners. I'm Will Pearson
Speaker 1: and as always I'm joined by my good friend Mangesh Ticketer,
Speaker 1: and you're listening to Part Time Genius. Now we've got
Speaker 1: a fun show today. We're discussing a topic that you
Speaker 1: know frustrates me. Sleep. I have never been a fan
Speaker 1: of sleeping. I'm definitely in the camp of people who
Speaker 1: would totally take a pill if I could avoid it altogether.
Speaker 1: I've always been this way, even in first grade when
Speaker 1: Miss Pritchett made us declare our favorite animal. You know,
Speaker 1: an animal I chose the giraffe. Why not because it
Speaker 1: was tall, not because it could slam dunk with ease,
Speaker 1: because they only have to sleep a couple hours of night.
Speaker 1: How sad is this that that was like the reason
Speaker 1: that I chose it. And I've always wondered if humans
Speaker 1: will ever be able to avoid sleep entirely. So we're
Speaker 1: gonna get to the bottom of this, are you ready?
Speaker 1: I mean, like the very bottom. We're gonna figure this
Speaker 1: out because I need to know if I'm going to
Speaker 1: have my never sleep again dream come true. But but
Speaker 1: we've got so many other fun things coming up in
Speaker 1: the show as well. We'll take a look at what
Speaker 1: happens in our brains when we're sleeping, what happens in
Speaker 1: our brains when we're sleeping in a new place, or
Speaker 1: when we're staring at a cell phone before we sleep.
Speaker 1: We've got our part time genius quiz with a couple
Speaker 1: of Zomba instructor Zumba instructors, right, Okay, that's kind this
Speaker 1: is awesome, And someone I'm super excited to talk to.
Speaker 1: We've got one of our favorite inventors, this self proclaimed
Speaker 1: Queen of Crappy Robots, Simone Yet who happened to invent
Speaker 1: a really funny alarm closs. So I'll talk about that.
Speaker 1: She is amazing. So but before we get to all
Speaker 1: of that, how weird a sleep mango? I know? I
Speaker 1: mean the way we talk about sleep is really funny,
Speaker 1: like people used to wear it, does this badge of
Speaker 1: honor how little they slept. I've read this thing about
Speaker 1: Keith Richards where he talked about being up for five
Speaker 1: full days just working and composing and all this while
Speaker 1: his lazy bandmates were taking naps. But um, it's always
Speaker 1: this dig from productive people. But of course, you know
Speaker 1: Keith Richard's being. Keith Richards has disaster stories about this too, right,
Speaker 1: So there's this one time he stayed up for nine
Speaker 1: days straight, which sounds horrible, but the way he describes it,
Speaker 1: he was writing this adrenaline high and feeling totally awake,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, as he was reaching
Speaker 1: to put a cassette tape on a shelf, he fell
Speaker 1: asleep so hard he collapsed and broke his nose. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure sleep studies should really be conducted on Keith Richards.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking we're probably not as accurate. So well, there
Speaker 1: are definitely these hyper productive people like Margaret Thatcher who
Speaker 1: only need three or four hours of sleep at night.
Speaker 1: She needed so little sleep, and she was so committed
Speaker 1: to being the best informed person in any room. She'd
Speaker 1: stay up and read into the late hours, but then
Speaker 1: she'd be up again at five in the morning to
Speaker 1: listen to the British Farm Report. And of course all
Speaker 1: her staff was constantly exhausted trying to keep pace. I know,
Speaker 1: sleep doctors actually claimed she's got this rare genetic mutation
Speaker 1: that allows her to function on less sleep, and it
Speaker 1: affects about one percent of the population. But it's funny.
Speaker 1: I read this beleaguered quote from her husband Dennis in
Speaker 1: the BBC. I didn't even know there was a Dennist
Speaker 1: stature until I read this piece. But his greatest contribution
Speaker 1: to the republic seems to be trying to get her
Speaker 1: to sleep. Like every once in a while he was
Speaker 1: observed desperately reminding her woman bed talked that way. Of course.
Speaker 1: My you know my other favorite Margaret Thatcher fact, and
Speaker 1: that's in the late seventies, when she went to this
Speaker 1: economic summit in Japan. The country tried to supply her
Speaker 1: with twenty karate ladies I know. I just loved the
Speaker 1: phrase create ladies, like there should be more of that
Speaker 1: in history books. I agree. I agree. So there was
Speaker 1: definitely a time, especially in the nineteen eighties, where Wall
Speaker 1: Street execs and rock stars and media moguls used to
Speaker 1: brag about how little sleep they got, like not sleeping
Speaker 1: was thought to be glamorous, and even as far back
Speaker 1: as Napoleon, who outlined the perfect amount of sleep, he
Speaker 1: would say six hours for a man, seven hours for
Speaker 1: a woman, eight hours for a fool, which just sounds
Speaker 1: so French, it does, but now it feels like the
Speaker 1: complete opposite. You look at these world class athletes like
Speaker 1: Hussain Bold Lebron James, and they really brag about the
Speaker 1: twelve hours of uninterrupted sleep they get and they work
Speaker 1: to protect it. Yeah, there are tons of them, like
Speaker 1: Marion Bartoli who won Wimbledon. She famously took this long
Speaker 1: nap before winning. And uh, Christiano Ronaldo, the soccer star.
Speaker 1: You know, he sleeps in this totally dark chamber and
Speaker 1: he has electric blinds that flip open at ten am
Speaker 1: or whenever he wants to get up, like that's his
Speaker 1: alarm clock, and it's because he doesn't want any artificial
Speaker 1: light in his room bothering him. I gotta remember to
Speaker 1: turn the lights off in my chamber. Maybe that's been
Speaker 1: my problem. So there's this clear premium on sleep. But
Speaker 1: don't you think it's weird that we spend a third
Speaker 1: of our lives pretty much paralyzed and unconscious. Honestly, I'm
Speaker 1: getting just thinking about it. Think of all the things
Speaker 1: you could be doing. I know we should all be
Speaker 1: thatchering every night. But one of the things that's fascinating
Speaker 1: to me is that there's this insistence that everyone has
Speaker 1: to sleep the same way, right. And I was reading
Speaker 1: this book Dreamland by David Randall, and in one section
Speaker 1: he talks about this history professor from Virginia Tech who
Speaker 1: kept finding references in medieval literature to first sleep and
Speaker 1: second sleep. He found it in Canterbury Tales. He found
Speaker 1: an old text. It was just repeated in lots of places,
Speaker 1: and what he eventually sussed out was that historically people
Speaker 1: will get two periods of rest. Every night. They'd go
Speaker 1: to bed, then they'd wake up for an hour and
Speaker 1: talk and think and engage in some canoe ling, and
Speaker 1: after an hour they'd go back to bed and sleep.
Speaker 1: Till morning, and this was a really common thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it reminds me of Ben Franklin and his
Speaker 1: so called air baths, you know, where Franklin would wake
Speaker 1: up at four or five in the morning work for
Speaker 1: an hour. He claimed part of the reason he was
Speaker 1: so productive is that he'd do it completely and totally
Speaker 1: in the box, like in front of an open window,
Speaker 1: hence the term air bath. But he'd have this eufork
Speaker 1: period of productivity. Then he'd have the best sleep of
Speaker 1: his life after that. Yeah, and obviously nude. Ben Franklin
Speaker 1: had genius ideas to give us. Right, But there's this
Speaker 1: great myth all over the internet that I so wish
Speaker 1: was true. What's that? And it's that then Franklin invented
Speaker 1: the first mechanical bull. That's gotta be true, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's it. That's like the story goes that Ben Franklin
Speaker 1: made a prototype bull and let John Adams ride it,
Speaker 1: and it was so unwriteable that Adams ended up with
Speaker 1: a third degree burned on his bottom. I'm going to
Speaker 1: say so specific, but the part that makes it like
Speaker 1: feel believable is that the primary reason Ben invented the
Speaker 1: thing was to get people's bowels moving right, which is
Speaker 1: you know, a total live But I love that some
Speaker 1: fifth grade is probably in it in his school report.
Speaker 1: That's brilliant. That's brilliant. But let's get back to this
Speaker 1: first sleep, second sleep thing, which is fascinating. I mean,
Speaker 1: to me, the most interesting part is that it's been
Speaker 1: recreated in science experiments, like when people are isolated from
Speaker 1: their screens, humans actually returned to this natural human sleep pattern,
Speaker 1: and it brings up all sorts of questions about our
Speaker 1: circadian clocks. But let's take a step back and talk
Speaker 1: about that. I mean, we all know our bodies have
Speaker 1: a natural clock, or what we call a circadian rhythm,
Speaker 1: and as part of that twenty four hour cycle, we
Speaker 1: know we get tired at night, then we wake up
Speaker 1: in the morning. But why have we evolved to do
Speaker 1: any of this? I mean, it seems like just the
Speaker 1: act of going to sleep must have been so dangerous
Speaker 1: for our ancestors, not wanting to be eaten by predators.
Speaker 1: In fact, there's this this well known sleep researcher at
Speaker 1: the University of Chicago named Alan Retstaffen who said, if
Speaker 1: sleep doesn't serve an absolutely vital function, it's the greatest
Speaker 1: mistake evolution has ever made. So there's got to be
Speaker 1: a really good reason, right, I mean there is, right,
Speaker 1: there's strong evidence that sleep is important for our nervous
Speaker 1: system and our immune system, but the latest research on
Speaker 1: what's happening in our brains when we sleep is some
Speaker 1: of the most compelling. There's a tendency to think of
Speaker 1: sleeping this time when our brains are inactive. It's actually
Speaker 1: the opposite. Without getting too deep into it, we should
Speaker 1: probably run through the five stages of sleep. So the
Speaker 1: first and second stages are really light, and in fact,
Speaker 1: the first stage is so light that you might not
Speaker 1: know that you're sleeping. But by the second stage, your
Speaker 1: brain starts pinging out some sleep specific waves. These are
Speaker 1: just flashes that last a few seconds at a time.
Speaker 1: Then the third and fourth stages move into this deep sleep,
Speaker 1: and your brain starts sending out these long rhythmic bursts
Speaker 1: called delta waves. This is where you start floating away
Speaker 1: from consciousness, and in the fourth stage particularly, that's where
Speaker 1: you can get disoriented. So I don't know if this
Speaker 1: has happened to you, but if you've ever had sleep drunkenness,
Speaker 1: like if you've ever woken up at the wrong cycle
Speaker 1: and felt totally groggy. That's because you were interrupted in
Speaker 1: the fourth stage. You're you're saying this all in such
Speaker 1: a soothing voice. I think I need to share a
Speaker 1: fact about waking people up in that fourth stage, so
Speaker 1: they're actually all these ridiculous alarm clocks meant to wake
Speaker 1: up really heavy sleepers, Like we've got simone yatch later today,
Speaker 1: who made one of the funniest alarm clocks I've seen.
Speaker 1: But there's this other great fire alarm clock from Japan
Speaker 1: and it works by spring was Sabby into your room
Speaker 1: was sobby, and which I guess makes sense since horse
Speaker 1: radish up your nose is definitely going to get you
Speaker 1: out of bed. But I kind of think about it
Speaker 1: like this, like, what's worse than your house being on fire.
Speaker 1: It's learning your house is on fire by having was
Speaker 1: sabby spread up your nose. Yeah, it sounds terful. But
Speaker 1: let's get back to the stages because there's only one more. Okay,
Speaker 1: sorry about for the for the interruption. So we've gone
Speaker 1: over the first four where your brain waves have gradually
Speaker 1: slowed down, your body temperature has dropped, and you've gradually
Speaker 1: become a mobile. You're in this deep sleep. So those
Speaker 1: four stages of occupy about eighty percent of your sleep time.
Speaker 1: But then we moved into the fifth stage, which is
Speaker 1: r e M or rapid eye movement, And this is
Speaker 1: where our brains get really going again, and your eyes
Speaker 1: tend to dart around on your eyelids. And that's the
Speaker 1: stage where we really dream, like in a good night's sleep.
Speaker 1: You'd moved through these stages multiple times, right, And that
Speaker 1: immobility part is important. I saw this weird cat study.
Speaker 1: Wait is that more a cat's study. We're a researcher
Speaker 1: named Michael Juve and France made tiny cuts and a
Speaker 1: cat's brain and turned off the part that triggers immobility
Speaker 1: and sleep. So when these cats hit the r EM stage,
Speaker 1: instead of just playing the dreams out in their head,
Speaker 1: they started acting them out in real life. The cats
Speaker 1: started hissing and clawing and arching their bags and jumping
Speaker 1: onto people encounters. You know how I feel about cats,
Speaker 1: So this is terrifying to me. All in a dream state,
Speaker 1: and when they were woken up, they were, you know,
Speaker 1: very cat about it, like no big deal. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: both share that fear of cats. Because I think it's
Speaker 1: because they seem so unpredictable. But the fact that in
Speaker 1: their sleep they're actually dreaming about clawing and attacking you,
Speaker 1: that's yeah, it is crazy. And and you know, sleep
Speaker 1: studies on other animals are just as fascinating. So for
Speaker 1: years we've known that dolphins and whales and birds and
Speaker 1: other animals sleep with only half their brain at a time,
Speaker 1: so the other half can stand guard and look out
Speaker 1: for predators. And in mallard ducks, for example, when they're
Speaker 1: all in a line, the two outermost birds will often
Speaker 1: be the only ones to keep half their brains to
Speaker 1: look out for danger, like they just notice stand guard
Speaker 1: for all the other ducks in the line. It's it's
Speaker 1: crazy and I'm fascinating. But the weirdest thing is that
Speaker 1: previously we didn't think humans did this, but it turns
Speaker 1: out we do. There's this thing called first night effect,
Speaker 1: which happens when we stay in a new place, our
Speaker 1: brains revert to their animal instincts and they go into
Speaker 1: survival mode to make sure nothing fishy is going on.
Speaker 1: So instead of sleeping restfully, your brain takes turns, allowing
Speaker 1: one half of your brain to sleep while the other
Speaker 1: half of your brain stays more aware of its surroundings.
Speaker 1: It's why you don't get a great night's sleep in
Speaker 1: your first night, or a hotel or somewhere else new
Speaker 1: So and strangely, the effect is almost completely gone by
Speaker 1: night too. But before we get back to whether or
Speaker 1: not humans will ever be able to go without sleep,
Speaker 1: why don't we take a quick break for a quiz. Okay,
Speaker 1: man goes, So, who do we have on the line
Speaker 1: to play with us today? Today? We've got two part
Speaker 1: time Zoomba instructors on the line, Stacy and Zoomba. This
Speaker 1: is exciting, super exciting. When we put out a call
Speaker 1: for Zoomba instructors, we didn't know what to expect. But
Speaker 1: we've got two really good ones on the line. So
Speaker 1: our first one works in corporate communications by day and
Speaker 1: as a Zoomba instructor at night. Gathongeli, welcome to part
Speaker 1: time Genius. Thank you. And our other one is a
Speaker 1: voiceover actor by day and a Zoomba instructor at night.
Speaker 1: So Stacy, welcome to part time Genius. Hi. So you
Speaker 1: know what I have to ask you guys, just to
Speaker 1: to get a better understanding of what Zoomba is I
Speaker 1: have to confess I've never been to a zoomba class.
Speaker 1: I think I'm planning to go. You guys are nice
Speaker 1: enough to tell us we should come by one of
Speaker 1: yours at some point. But Gathangela, let's start with you
Speaker 1: explain to us the difference between zoomba and just say,
Speaker 1: regular aerobics. With regular aerobics you kind of break down everything,
Speaker 1: but with zumba you just google go and um. It's
Speaker 1: similar that it's in the sense that it's a dance
Speaker 1: audio format. Um, but it has all sorts of world dance.
Speaker 1: The emphasis is that you do a little bit of
Speaker 1: Latin American, little African, a little Indian Bollywood, and so
Speaker 1: you get a little taste of the world while you
Speaker 1: dance and have fun. And uh and Stacy, you mentioned
Speaker 1: you have a background in ballroom dance and Chinese opera.
Speaker 1: Is that required to go to a zoomba class. Yeah, okay, no, no,
Speaker 1: I mean you don't need to have any sort of
Speaker 1: dance backgrounds at all. Um. I think it's just influences
Speaker 1: my own classes, because you know, I just noticed, I'll
Speaker 1: I'll throw in some elements sometimes even I'm not even
Speaker 1: conscious of the fact that I that they're in there,
Speaker 1: you know, but since actually I hold my arms or
Speaker 1: maybe Wally I use my hands are inspired by ball
Speaker 1: room or by Chinese opera. Um, but you know what
Speaker 1: I love about seeing that is I the honest truth
Speaker 1: is I actually hate exercising. I'm in a zoom but class,
Speaker 1: I just feel like I'm at a party, and hopefully
Speaker 1: that's what my classes are like too. I just feel
Speaker 1: like we're at a party. We're dancing, we're having fun,
Speaker 1: and I didn't even care that they're sweat all over
Speaker 1: the floor and that, you know, my hair is wet
Speaker 1: all the way down to the end, you know, But
Speaker 1: we're just having so much fun. That's awesome. That's kind
Speaker 1: of the way we feel about podcasting. We're always so
Speaker 1: sweaty and just like, but it's it's worth it, alright.
Speaker 1: So we are playing a game today. What's it called
Speaker 1: nonsensical Sleep rhymes. Nonsensical sleep rhymes, So this is a
Speaker 1: pretty dumb actually really. We invented this based on the
Speaker 1: phrase you snooze you lose. So every answer starts you
Speaker 1: snooze you blank, and the blank is some rhyming word.
Speaker 1: It rhymes with loose and snooze. So if we were
Speaker 1: to give you the clue what happens if you drink
Speaker 1: Martini's in your sleep, you'd say you snooze, you booze, right,
Speaker 1: So every answer is going to be exactly that moronic.
Speaker 1: And what are we playing for here? Though? Today? Mango,
Speaker 1: you're playing for the big prize. Whoever wins will get
Speaker 1: a hand written note from us to your mom or
Speaker 1: your boss. It's your choice. But actually we're gonna put
Speaker 1: them on the same team today, you know, so they
Speaker 1: both get this opportunity. We're gonna put you on the
Speaker 1: same team. And let's see how this goes. You guys,
Speaker 1: ready to play? You snooze, you lose, all right? So Gothogeli,
Speaker 1: we're gonna start with you. If you have any problems, though,
Speaker 1: we're going to throw it to Stacy and then we're
Speaker 1: gonna go back and forth. And our goal is for
Speaker 1: you guys to get all nine of these correct. Let's
Speaker 1: go quickly, you're ready, Here we go. What happens when
Speaker 1: you communicate with cows when you're sleeping? Yes, well done, alright, Stacy?
Speaker 1: What happens when you board a carnival ship when you're sleeping?
Speaker 1: You snooze you crew well, Gothongeli. What happens when you
Speaker 1: put pantine in your hair when you're sleeping? You snooze?
Speaker 1: You shampoo. I love how you can hear it in
Speaker 1: her voice that she's like, is the quiz really this done?
Speaker 1: But it is? Snooze your shampoos? Right, alright, Stacy? What
Speaker 1: happens when you have anemia and you bump into things
Speaker 1: in your sleep? You snooze? Man, You guys are so
Speaker 1: good at this. Four out of four so far? Alright, Gothongeli.
Speaker 1: What happens when you start attaching things with a bottle
Speaker 1: of Elmer's in your sleep? You snooze? You glue with confidence?
Speaker 1: She's bought in. Alright, alright, Stacy? What happens when you
Speaker 1: sneeze in your sleep? Like you? Oh no, I'm blanking
Speaker 1: you sneeze, you snooze you? What sound do you make
Speaker 1: when you sneeze? Aha? It's well, it's not as you snooze. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's it, you got it, You got it right? All right,
Speaker 1: we're coming back to you, Juli. Here goes. What happens
Speaker 1: when you play a buzzing kids instrument in your sleep?
Speaker 1: You snooze? You? What is that it's a really simple
Speaker 1: instrument you put to your mouth and sounds. You got it.
Speaker 1: You snooze you kazoos. Right, this is the dumbest quizz
Speaker 1: Every time we do a quiz, I'm like, they can't
Speaker 1: get any dumber, and this may be the dumbest we do.
Speaker 1: We do all right, Stacy number eight, What happens when
Speaker 1: you construct an Inuit shelter in your sleep? Sneeze you iglue?
Speaker 1: Well done? All right, to bring it all home. Let's
Speaker 1: see you guys can Well, we'll let Gethanoli answer this one.
Speaker 1: What happens when you dine with pand is in your sleep?
Speaker 1: Thank goodness, I think about what they might munch on.
Speaker 1: Oh you knew you bamboo? Yes, it was really dumb.
Speaker 1: That's right. Our hands are going to be pretty tired
Speaker 1: from writing these notes. This is great. Well yeah, well
Speaker 1: we're not only sending them home with notes, We're also
Speaker 1: going to be mailing them a canned which which is
Speaker 1: the number one peanut butter and jelly and a can
Speaker 1: on the market sandwiches and things that are stored in
Speaker 1: pop top containers. You loved canned which are they one
Speaker 1: of the sponsors. That's awesome, Well, we will have to
Speaker 1: check out a zoomba class. You guys have us sold
Speaker 1: on this. Cathogeli and Stacy, thank you so much for
Speaker 1: joining us on part time Genius. So, as we discussed
Speaker 1: before the break, I hate sleeping. I don't know why
Speaker 1: we have to do it. It feels extravagant and lazy,
Speaker 1: perfect waste of time. So convince me, mango, why do
Speaker 1: we need sleep? Well, it sounds like a tall order,
Speaker 1: but the first thing is that our brains are using
Speaker 1: it for some major memory consolidation. Like just think about
Speaker 1: all the things that happened during a single day. Every
Speaker 1: time your brain learned something, which is pretty much every
Speaker 1: waking second, the connections between your neurons are strengthened and
Speaker 1: new connections are created. But if you stop and think
Speaker 1: about how many short term memories your brain is creating
Speaker 1: and I don't know, like a twelve or fourteen hour period,
Speaker 1: it's staggering. So our brain needs a way to sit
Speaker 1: through all that information and file away the important learnings.
Speaker 1: And they're all these experiments that confirmed this, Like there
Speaker 1: was this Harvard study where kids were trained to catch
Speaker 1: a ball in a cone, like over the course of
Speaker 1: a half hour the kids got better at it, and
Speaker 1: their technique improved from let's say about But then the
Speaker 1: group was split into two sets, and one of the
Speaker 1: group's got great sleep and their ability to catch the
Speaker 1: ball jumped up to But the other group, which I
Speaker 1: guess was just pestered through the nine or allowed to
Speaker 1: stay up and watch movies or something, they got poor
Speaker 1: sleep and their rate dropped to below, which is worse
Speaker 1: than where they started from. And that's because their brains
Speaker 1: didn't have time to reprocess that information. And actually, there's
Speaker 1: a rat study study. There are a lot of cat
Speaker 1: and rats studies, so get used to it, listeners. But
Speaker 1: in trying to understand sleep, listeners looked at how clusters
Speaker 1: of neurons worked in rat brains. And the same neurons
Speaker 1: that lit up when a rat was awake and learning
Speaker 1: a new task, those lit up again at night. It's
Speaker 1: like they were replaying these learnings over and over, which
Speaker 1: is which is fascinating. But the thing is those clusters
Speaker 1: were lighting up super fast in their dreams. So let's
Speaker 1: say it took the rats a couple of seconds to
Speaker 1: walk over and pick up a piece of food in
Speaker 1: their sleep, that same brain activity would only take a
Speaker 1: fraction of a second. It's like, because your brain isn't
Speaker 1: juggling between all the distractions of when you're awake, it's
Speaker 1: able to process these things that much faster, and in
Speaker 1: replaying these events, it turns your important memories into long
Speaker 1: term ones. You say, important memories like getting food is
Speaker 1: a really memorable one for a rat is one? Are
Speaker 1: the unimportant ones? Well, that's a good question. If there's
Speaker 1: so many little things we don't really need to commit
Speaker 1: to long term memory, like you were saying, the millions
Speaker 1: of things that happen in any given day, right, and
Speaker 1: we know that it would be too taxing for our
Speaker 1: brain to hold onto everything. So our brains are really
Speaker 1: good at cleaning themselves out at night and purging the
Speaker 1: insignificant ones. There's a team of researchers from the University
Speaker 1: of Wisconsin Madison that recently found that our brains actually
Speaker 1: shrink during sleep. Is this unbelievable that the number and
Speaker 1: size of our brains synapsies shrink by as much as
Speaker 1: in the mice that they looked at. No, these were
Speaker 1: not rats, they were mice. But this is how our
Speaker 1: brains deal with all the information we've learned in a day,
Speaker 1: which allows us to wake up and start fresh the
Speaker 1: next day. You know, this makes me think of those
Speaker 1: people with insane super memories, you know, the people who
Speaker 1: remember every single detail in their lives, and I wonder
Speaker 1: if that's actually related to a sleep disorder. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: would be complete torture to have this happened. I know
Speaker 1: there are people like this. Fortunately, I could barely remember
Speaker 1: each time I get a snack from the snack basket,
Speaker 1: which I don't know. Maybe it's unfortunate because maybe it
Speaker 1: explains the seven granola bar rappers sitting right beside me.
Speaker 1: So we've heard for years now that it's a bad
Speaker 1: idea to spend time reading our phones and e book
Speaker 1: devices just before bed. I'll admit I'm terrible about this,
Speaker 1: not just before bed, but in the middle of the night.
Speaker 1: If I wake up whenever it is, I'll roll over,
Speaker 1: grab my phone, check email, read little news because apparently
Speaker 1: I need to know what's going on in Agia while
Speaker 1: we sleep. I don't know, but this is really not
Speaker 1: good for my sleep, is it. Yeah? I'm I'm pretty
Speaker 1: bad about this too. And it all comes back to
Speaker 1: our circadian clocks, like as humans were. Obviously, wired to
Speaker 1: get sleepy after the sun goes down and wake up
Speaker 1: when the sun comes up. But if we're exposed to
Speaker 1: too much blue light in the evening, that can delay
Speaker 1: the release of our melotone and throw off our clocks.
Speaker 1: And speaking of circadian rhythms, I have to tell you
Speaker 1: this thing I've read about Monday night football. Apparently, when
Speaker 1: East Coast teams play on the West Coast, they have
Speaker 1: a massive disadvantage because the West Coast teams are just
Speaker 1: more awake. And when researchers from Stanford and Harvard analyze
Speaker 1: the numbers from forty years of these games, they found
Speaker 1: that the West Coast teams overperformed by like two touchdowns
Speaker 1: and often beat the spread from Vegas by seven points.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. You know, if you ever get access to
Speaker 1: a time machine, you should go back and West Coast
Speaker 1: teams all right, So where were we? Cell phones? That's right?
Speaker 1: So so several studies have shown that reading on a
Speaker 1: light emitting device causes people to take longer to fall
Speaker 1: asleep versus just reading on a good old fashioned paperback, right,
Speaker 1: and it tends to cause you to spend less time
Speaker 1: in R E. M. Sleep. But the weirdest part to
Speaker 1: me was that even after a good night's rest, like
Speaker 1: say eight or nine hours of uninterrupted sleep, those who
Speaker 1: read on devices woke up sleep here. I did finally
Speaker 1: change my phone to the night shift setting, I kind
Speaker 1: of just because I like saying my phone is in
Speaker 1: the night shift. It really does. So it adjust to
Speaker 1: the warmer end of the spectrum and stays that way
Speaker 1: through the night. So I'm still game in case there's
Speaker 1: a good news story from Asia three am. So, but
Speaker 1: let's talk about something else that supposedly affects people sleep,
Speaker 1: and that's food. I feel like we're scientists because in
Speaker 1: our own studies we found that sometimes people don't sleep
Speaker 1: well after they eight I don't know, say they all
Speaker 1: star breakfast from waffle house at midnight. And that effect
Speaker 1: seems to be more profound on thirty eight year old
Speaker 1: bodies than it was on twenty year old Definitely, definitely,
Speaker 1: But our studies show that it was totally worth a
Speaker 1: three am discomfort, even if our participants, being us, may
Speaker 1: not have agreed at three am. Yeah, that's just good science.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about dreams specifically, and this long held belief
Speaker 1: that certain foods make us dream crazier. Dreams. Like. You know,
Speaker 1: what's funny is that I never realized people blame food
Speaker 1: for bad dreams until I started reading Garfield books in
Speaker 1: second grade. It was a real education. Garfield made me
Speaker 1: realize that a people hate money. Definitely, if you eat
Speaker 1: too much lasagna or spicy foods late at night, it
Speaker 1: can give you crazy dreams about I don't know, lasagna.
Speaker 1: You might have been better off studying your science from
Speaker 1: somebody other than Garfield, But you know, anyway, But I'm
Speaker 1: certain there will be listeners who disagree with this. But
Speaker 1: there doesn't seem to be a lot of evidence that
Speaker 1: certain foods cause bizarre or disturbing dreams. At least there
Speaker 1: aren't a lot of studies that show this conclusively. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm the worst at this. Like I don't
Speaker 1: really remember most of my dreams, and I don't really
Speaker 1: remember having nightmares as a kid. Isn't that weird? Well,
Speaker 1: maybe your dreams aren't scary because of your diet is cereal.
Speaker 1: So all the cereal does contain the number one thing
Speaker 1: people blame for crazy dreams, and that's dairy. Actually, I
Speaker 1: always thought of it as being spicy foods, But spicy
Speaker 1: foods come in second for most people claiming they have
Speaker 1: crazy dreams because of food. So maybe you're crunchy saracha flakes.
Speaker 1: That's the deal, got to start the day, right, I
Speaker 1: can't even think about two wet scoops of sharracha. But
Speaker 1: don't you wonder why we dream? And and what's the
Speaker 1: evolutionary purpose? While we of course have to mention Freud,
Speaker 1: he thought we'd dream as a way of thinking through
Speaker 1: our subconscious desires. Yeah, and while that might happen, sometimes
Speaker 1: most of the time we're dreaming about real life experiences.
Speaker 1: And so these are the dreams you're not necessarily going
Speaker 1: to remember because they're not all that exciting. But as
Speaker 1: we discussed, they're important because they help you sort through
Speaker 1: your experiences and figure out what's important to take away
Speaker 1: from them. And that's all going in the non r
Speaker 1: e M phase. But those R e M dreams, the
Speaker 1: crazy ones that you're likely to remember, why in the
Speaker 1: world would we need to remember these? Well, even those
Speaker 1: can be useful from an evolutionary perspective, because even though
Speaker 1: they're really strange, they do help us think through all
Speaker 1: the possibilities of dangerous scenarios from this really safe state.
Speaker 1: But they seem real, right, And that's because the brain
Speaker 1: activity in r M sleep is really similar to that
Speaker 1: of an awake brain. Okay, but you remember the dream
Speaker 1: I was telling you about where Michael Stipe and the
Speaker 1: Harlem Globe Trotters and I were deep sea fishing and
Speaker 1: Michael got mad and through a fish at me hit
Speaker 1: me right in the chest. So that was somehow useful,
Speaker 1: super useful. I mean, I don't have answers for you will,
Speaker 1: but I can tell you we're at the part of
Speaker 1: the episode that we want to give out a part
Speaker 1: time genius, right, Yeah, this episode, I thought it would
Speaker 1: be good to give it to someone who literally dreamed
Speaker 1: something genius and the and so Interially I was thinking
Speaker 1: maybe Paul McCartney, who came up with the tune for
Speaker 1: the song Yesterday in a dream. But I thought it
Speaker 1: might be even better if we gave it to Dmitri Mendeleev,
Speaker 1: who came up with the idea for the periodic table
Speaker 1: while snoozing. You know, it's been a while since mendel
Speaker 1: have won an award, so I think that we should
Speaker 1: we should do it. I second that nomination. Congratulations, you
Speaker 1: have won this episode's part time Genius Award. And I
Speaker 1: know we normally like to write a letter to our
Speaker 1: award winners mother or boss or someone else close to them.
Speaker 1: But considering Mendel of his mother, all his bosses, and
Speaker 1: pretty much anyone else he would have known, would be dead. Now,
Speaker 1: why don't you just say, in his honor, will write
Speaker 1: a note to the American Chemical Society saying, keep up
Speaker 1: the good work, brilliant. Our guest today is someone we've
Speaker 1: been crazy excited to have on the show. Her YouTube
Speaker 1: videos are smart, incredibly funny, and so full of failure.
Speaker 1: She describes herself as the breaker of transistors, the mistress
Speaker 1: of malfunction, the mother of terrible inventions, and as being
Speaker 1: really good at building really bad things. So, Simone, Yah,
Speaker 1: welcome to Part Time Genius. Thank you we are. It
Speaker 1: was a really nice intro. Yeah, I've been working on
Speaker 1: it for weeks. I'm like, it's good that it's only
Speaker 1: we're doing doing only audio because I think I might
Speaker 1: be blushing. It's like, all flustered. I'm glad you survived,
Speaker 1: So Simone, I have to confess, the first video I
Speaker 1: ever saw of yours was the Wake Up Machine, and
Speaker 1: I could not stop laughing at this there was there
Speaker 1: was something about seeing someone awakened so rudely by a
Speaker 1: rubber hands spinning around and slapping them on the face
Speaker 1: that was just so funny to me. So for our
Speaker 1: listeners who have not yet been so lucky as to
Speaker 1: see any of your inventions, can you give just a
Speaker 1: quick overview of what it is that you do. I
Speaker 1: it's it's hard to pitch, or it's like I feel
Speaker 1: like whenever I'm in a lift or in a taxi
Speaker 1: and they ask what I do, I'm like, how do
Speaker 1: I explain this? Basically, I build useless machines like it's
Speaker 1: some sort of robot comedy or like inineering comedy, I'd say,
Speaker 1: but I make the different weird eugenes that hurt me,
Speaker 1: usually in different kinds of ways, or like poor milk
Speaker 1: and cereals everywhere, and I post them on YouTube right right,
Speaker 1: And it was it was your toothbrush helmet that helped
Speaker 1: you kind of get the start in this useless robot direction.
Speaker 1: Is that right? Yeah? So I did a scapeward helmet
Speaker 1: that has a little robot arm on the front of it,
Speaker 1: like a unicorn, and a little cheese brush attached to
Speaker 1: it and it brushes your teeth. Yeah, that was the
Speaker 1: first one that I posted online and it went like
Speaker 1: kind of viral. Um. I was like, that's how I
Speaker 1: learned about you. Yeah, it was. But it's funny because
Speaker 1: like now it's it's it's your your bar like higher
Speaker 1: and higher every time. So looking back I did it,
Speaker 1: I was like, it's in a kay project. But back
Speaker 1: then I was like it was I felt like I
Speaker 1: was sitting in front of the computer and there was
Speaker 1: like wind blowing out of the screen because I was
Speaker 1: just like, oh my god, all over it. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that was the first like crappy robot. Can I say
Speaker 1: the robot? You're gonna go for it. We're just we're
Speaker 1: gonna beat most. It was the first. Yeah, let's let's
Speaker 1: beat robot. Then people won't know what it is. So
Speaker 1: we've seen what a serial feeding robot, a lipstick apply
Speaker 1: or a shampoo machine, a little hand robot that wipe
Speaker 1: standardf away, want a butt wiping robot? I mean, there's
Speaker 1: just so many horrible and lovely invention, so many hands. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So these robots that you build, once they're in a video,
Speaker 1: do you end up keeping these all somewhere? Do you
Speaker 1: end up dismantling them. I try to not dismantle them.
Speaker 1: I used to do that all the time because it's
Speaker 1: so compting to just like borrow parts. But I travel
Speaker 1: a lot with them, and I bring them on to
Speaker 1: different shows and events and stuff like that, so I
Speaker 1: try and keep them. Most of them are in pretty
Speaker 1: rough shape, though, because they've been like thrown in and
Speaker 1: out of a suitcase and they're just like barely working.
Speaker 1: You get questions about them at airports, like why are
Speaker 1: all these hands and in your suitcase? Every time. I
Speaker 1: always wonder that. I mean the same if I'm staying
Speaker 1: in a hotel room and like the bag because I
Speaker 1: have like this big, like Pelican Robots suitcase, and um,
Speaker 1: I was wondering what, like the housekeeper like, what they
Speaker 1: think about it, because it must look like a very
Speaker 1: bizarre thing. Um. But no, they always check it on airports,
Speaker 1: and that's how I recruit new subscribers. Speaking of other
Speaker 1: weird projects that you've taken on, you recently locked yourself
Speaker 1: in a bathroom for forty eight straight hours. Now remind
Speaker 1: us again while you did this, I made my own
Speaker 1: space program because nobody else would have me, so I've
Speaker 1: really want to go to space, but like I'm not
Speaker 1: qualified enough to go with NASA or I don't think
Speaker 1: I'm cool enough to be with SpaceX. So I was like,
Speaker 1: I'll do my own space program and I'll see if
Speaker 1: somebody wants to pick me up. So I did like
Speaker 1: a three episode web series where I did my own
Speaker 1: astronaut training program, and as a part of that, I
Speaker 1: needed to practice like isolation and being in a confined space.
Speaker 1: So I locked myself in my bathroom for forty eight hours.
Speaker 1: I love that. I have to confess that the real
Speaker 1: reason for this interview is in that video that you're
Speaker 1: talking about. You held up a copy of one of
Speaker 1: my favorite kids books in recent years, Dragons Love Tacos.
Speaker 1: Were you being serious about your love of this book?
Speaker 1: It is so funny? So should we play this quiz? Yes,
Speaker 1: let's play a quiz? Alright? So, oh my god, get ready,
Speaker 1: we're gonna throw you off here. So what is it?
Speaker 1: What is it? What are we doing? We're We're gonna
Speaker 1: tell you'll see. So, um, first of all, it's required
Speaker 1: that you're on a house boat or you on a
Speaker 1: house boat right now? Yes, okay, excellent, all right, So
Speaker 1: in Sweden, do you need to get in the water, Yes,
Speaker 1: you do. You need to get in the water for
Speaker 1: this question. No, no, no, you're good. You can stay,
Speaker 1: you can stay, okay, Sweden. Al right, So in Sweden,
Speaker 1: do you count sheep to go to sleep? Or is
Speaker 1: that just an American thing? I think we count sheep? Okay, alright,
Speaker 1: so I don't think I ever did it. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: that is that's familiar. All right, so good, good deal.
Speaker 1: This is a section where we would normally call it
Speaker 1: true or false sleep addition, but today we're calling it
Speaker 1: sheep or bull sheep. So we're going to read you
Speaker 1: a sense. Okay, okay, We're going to read you a sentence.
Speaker 1: And if you think it's nonsense, all you have to
Speaker 1: do is say bullshep and mango. What is she playing for? Today?
Speaker 1: As always, the celebrity guest is playing for our unadulterated admiration.
Speaker 1: I actually you had my hopes up something. I feel
Speaker 1: the hopes came up and then they crashed down her. Okay, admiration,
Speaker 1: I'll take it. We'll maybe add to that, you know,
Speaker 1: setting up a a date with the authors of Dragons
Speaker 1: Love Tacos. So, oh my god, yeah, okay, I'm game on.
Speaker 1: Here we go sheep or bulls sheep? Here we go
Speaker 1: Question number one. The first Australian ultramarathon runner was a
Speaker 1: sixty one year old shepherd. He won the five hundred
Speaker 1: mile race handily by running through the night and tricking
Speaker 1: himself into believing he was running after his sheep sheep
Speaker 1: or bull sheep? Sheep? Oh my god? Yeah, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: thinking that it's but if I haven't heard the other ones,
Speaker 1: but I'm thinking that that one's too weird to be
Speaker 1: able to come up with. What was his name? His
Speaker 1: name was Cliff Young, and he was mocked for running
Speaker 1: in boots and shuffling along, but he kept kept running
Speaker 1: while everyone else slept. All right, my hero, Can I
Speaker 1: be friends with him? We can. We're gonna go ahead
Speaker 1: say yes. I have no idea, really sad to really yes.
Speaker 1: But then we'll get your friends. We're just gonna find
Speaker 1: some dude and be like, this is him, he's your friend. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, let's see question number two. Sheep or bull sheep.
Speaker 1: There's a sheep from Scotland that lives on the beach
Speaker 1: and has a diet made up almost entirely of seaweed.
Speaker 1: I did. I was in Scotland recently, just a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks ago, and I saw a lot of sheep.
Speaker 1: They were mainly goats on the coast. I'm gonna call
Speaker 1: bull sheep. It was actually a sheep the north. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a sheep that lives in Orkney and they're one
Speaker 1: of the only mammals that can survive exclusively on this seafood.
Speaker 1: I thought you meant one sheep. There was a single
Speaker 1: like poor Bernard sheep. That was what I thought, okty sheep, harambe.
Speaker 1: Well we're getting to a celebrity sheep, so question there
Speaker 1: are real Dolly is a Dolly? Got it all right? Oh?
Speaker 1: Here we go. Dolly the sheep was named for Dolly
Speaker 1: Madison because the scientists got the idea for cloning the
Speaker 1: sheep while board on an historic tour of James Madison's
Speaker 1: home at Montpelier. Sheep or bullshep, bull sheep, Yeah, you're right,
Speaker 1: Dolly was named for Dolly Pardon number four. Sheep have
Speaker 1: amazing memories and can remember up to fifty other sheep
Speaker 1: for several years. I mean, they're known for being stupid,
Speaker 1: but at the same time they're like herd animals, or
Speaker 1: I mean they have like their sheep packed or whatever.
Speaker 1: It's called a school of sheep. What's like the count
Speaker 1: pack of sheep a murder of sheep? But I'm going
Speaker 1: to call sheep because I want them too smart. You're right,
Speaker 1: So yeah, they can get drawn off by haircuts. Occasionally
Speaker 1: they can't recognize other sheep. I can relate to that.
Speaker 1: So you went three for four. Great job, Simone introductions.
Speaker 1: So if you've not seen Simone's videos, definitely check them out.
Speaker 1: Because her name has a crazy Swedish pronunciation. Her last
Speaker 1: name is actually spelled g I E r t z,
Speaker 1: but we've included the link in the show description. So Simone,
Speaker 1: thanks so much for joining us today, and thanks for
Speaker 1: putting smiles on so many faces with all of your nonsense.
Speaker 1: I have to say that after all our research and discussion,
Speaker 1: I'm not exactly feeling optimistic that I'll be getting my
Speaker 1: live Asleep Free Life pill anytime. Well in my lifetime.
Speaker 1: I mean, you could fall zacket and have sixty cups
Speaker 1: of coffee a day, or if you don't love that
Speaker 1: caffeine crash, there pills that can keep you up for
Speaker 1: maybe thirty hours at a time without much of a
Speaker 1: drop off. It's funny because armies throughout history have invested
Speaker 1: in this sort of stuff, like the Incas used coca leaves,
Speaker 1: and the Greeks played with opium, and the Nazis used
Speaker 1: meth amphetamines to make their soldiers march for forty miles
Speaker 1: at a clip. But there are always these massive negative
Speaker 1: side effects, right, And even today we're searching for that cure.
Speaker 1: Like there's this drug modaphanel, and some army officers and
Speaker 1: even some presidents have been rumored to take it to
Speaker 1: work longer. And while it's used in the field, supposedly
Speaker 1: it can make you overconfident, and even though you're fully awake,
Speaker 1: you might be more prone to making bad decisions. So
Speaker 1: there's still research to be done. But for the most part,
Speaker 1: you're right. Sleep is still this completely opaque thing. And
Speaker 1: it's strange that while we know that not sleeping will
Speaker 1: eventually kill you, we still don't understand why well, and
Speaker 1: even beyond all the uncertain parts, just recognizing the things,
Speaker 1: we are beginning to understand that sleep appears critical to
Speaker 1: memory consolidation. All the stuff that we were talking about
Speaker 1: before of how we run through these memories, you know,
Speaker 1: so quickly in our brains is just fast and to me,
Speaker 1: and the cleaning out of our brains, and it just
Speaker 1: doesn't seem possible that anything in the coming decades will
Speaker 1: be able to replicate these processes without sleep. I mean,
Speaker 1: as the researchers from the University of Wisconsin study we
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier said, sleep is the price people pay for
Speaker 1: brains that are able to keep learning new things. I mean,
Speaker 1: the brain is just such a crazy, complicated organ. So
Speaker 1: while I'm disappointed that I won't be able to stop
Speaker 1: sleeping anytime soon, I will admit I feel better knowing
Speaker 1: just how much is going on when we're asleep. It
Speaker 1: doesn't feel quite as much like a waste of time.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad this part time Genius therapy session was
Speaker 1: productive and thank you, thank you, But we're not done yet.
Speaker 1: You know what time it is, the fact off, you bet,
Speaker 1: it's that time of the show where we get to
Speaker 1: throw out some of the crazy, fascinating things we learned
Speaker 1: about sleep that we didn't get to mention yet. All right,
Speaker 1: Mango you first, So I know we talked about Keith
Speaker 1: Richards at the top of the show and his self
Speaker 1: reported nine days of staying awake, But the record for
Speaker 1: the longest period without sleep is eleven days even days,
Speaker 1: I know, and it's set by a student in California
Speaker 1: named Randy Gardner way back in nineteen sixty four. And
Speaker 1: what's cool about it is that the local paper mentioned
Speaker 1: he was going to try to set this record, and
Speaker 1: when scientists at Stanford got wind of it, they documented it.
Speaker 1: So there's all this documentation of Randy getting worse and
Speaker 1: worse at math problems as he stayed up, and getting
Speaker 1: increasingly paranoid and getting annoyed by the people who had
Speaker 1: promised to help him stay up to this long. I mean,
Speaker 1: eleven days is a long time. It's an insanely long time,
Speaker 1: I know. And uh, somehow Randy pulled it off. Um
Speaker 1: he was doing it for a science fair project, which
Speaker 1: I don't even know if he won, but that part's
Speaker 1: never mentioned. I love that this kid comes up with
Speaker 1: the idea and rather than people around him being like,
Speaker 1: it's a horrible idea to stay up for eleven days,
Speaker 1: like Stanford people on the paper and everybody like, dude, it,
Speaker 1: let's start do this. Yeah. I'm pretty sure I haven't
Speaker 1: gone that long without a Snicker's bar, much less my sleep.
Speaker 1: So al right, here's a fact. So in Finland they
Speaker 1: celebrate National Sleepy Head Day on July. It's a tradition
Speaker 1: that dates back to the Middle Ages actually, and the
Speaker 1: ideas that the person sleeping the latest that day would
Speaker 1: be the least productive member of the family that year.
Speaker 1: So it was decided that whoever the last sleeper was
Speaker 1: would be woken up by throwing them into a lake
Speaker 1: or a sea, or just by throwing water upon them.
Speaker 1: And it's particularly great because the townsfolk will throw local
Speaker 1: politician into the water and everybody just gets behind it.
Speaker 1: I like it. Um. So you know Doctor Spotted the
Speaker 1: Child Psychologist in one of his early books, he has
Speaker 1: this weird suggestion for making sure your toddler doesn't leave
Speaker 1: their crib and basically advises getting a batman net, cutting
Speaker 1: in half, sewing it so it's twice as tall, and
Speaker 1: then wrapping it around the crib to form a baby cage. Everybody,
Speaker 1: how crazy is that he had the bad ment net
Speaker 1: is the weirdest part, Like why not a tennis net
Speaker 1: or fifteen ping pong nets? So I don't know. All right,
Speaker 1: here's another one. You're less likely to have an accident
Speaker 1: in your car after daylight saving time ends, and evidence
Speaker 1: it's to the extra hour of sleep as being the
Speaker 1: main reason when you're tired your sense of smell shifts
Speaker 1: into high gear, but only for food. So it's actually
Speaker 1: why you can't control yourself around midnight feasts late at night.
Speaker 1: Oh that's good, all right, all right, Well, people who
Speaker 1: grew up with color television tend to dream in color,
Speaker 1: but older people who grew up with black and white
Speaker 1: TVs and movies, they actually are more likely to be
Speaker 1: dreaming in black and white. I'm guessing millennial dreaming gifts exactly.
Speaker 1: So I want to know what sea utters due to
Speaker 1: prevent drifting away from each other when they go to sleep.
Speaker 1: What's that they hold pause? Like sea otters actually hold
Speaker 1: hands when they go to sleep. Come on, Mango, you
Speaker 1: know I can't compete with a cute fact about sea otters.
Speaker 1: And you were just toying with me when you threw
Speaker 1: out that moderately interesting fact about badminton. All right, I'll
Speaker 1: give it to you. Are this episode's winner of the
Speaker 1: part time genius fact off. Thank you so much. I
Speaker 1: have so many people to thank I want to start
Speaker 1: with my agent, Bobby Manuals, my manager, all right the stage.
Speaker 1: Thanks so much for listening to the episode of Part
Speaker 1: Time Genius with Will and Mango Sweet Dreams. Thanks again
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Speaker 1: by Noel Brown. Our executive producer is Jerry Rowland. Our
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