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Speaker 2: All right, Rory back for another episode of Don't Know Ball,
Speaker 2: because we absolutely do not know ball.
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe a little bit. Maybe.
Speaker 2: Look, this is why this is why we have this show,
Speaker 2: so we can bring in some of our friends and that.
Speaker 3: Do know ball and they can help us out.
Speaker 2: Today we are joined by someone who is very knowledgeable,
Speaker 2: more knowledgeable than you and I both Comebin Yes, combined,
Speaker 2: even with Google, right, even with our smartphones in our hands,
Speaker 2: she knows more about ball than we do. ESPN host
Speaker 2: anchor women's college basketball sideline reporter analyst. I mean, if
Speaker 2: it's women's basketball, she's there. Welcome Elle duncan lle thank
Speaker 2: you for joining us.
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Speaker 2: Us things we don't want to know about about basketball.
Speaker 2: But you how are you doing?
Speaker 1: I'm doing good, man. I'm a little bit tired. We
Speaker 1: had the draft this week and I'm like in my
Speaker 1: forties now, so I need like three or four days
Speaker 1: to recover from one long night.
Speaker 3: Is draft like this draft week like hell week for you?
Speaker 1: Not really, because I was coming off like it's a
Speaker 1: quick turnaround. I do college women's basketball. So we were
Speaker 1: at the Final Four and then you know, five days later,
Speaker 1: we're at the WNBA Draft because I also covered the
Speaker 1: w NBA. So it's just like a it's like a
Speaker 1: really long two months, but then I get a bit
Speaker 1: of a break before the actual season starts.
Speaker 2: I saw during the Final Four and everything, well the
Speaker 2: lead up to the Final Four and women's college basketball,
Speaker 2: I saw that you you had South Carolina when it
Speaker 2: all you said that they had to be get the thrones.
Speaker 3: I didn't know why. I mean, I get it.
Speaker 2: I understand what coach Staley has been able to do,
Speaker 2: and South Carolina is amazing, but coach orim I mean,
Speaker 2: I mean Yukon, It's just like, how how do you
Speaker 2: go against that?
Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing, okay, mile, is that I've filled
Speaker 1: out my bracket and then Yukon just decided to start
Speaker 1: playing like Yukon in the tournament and I couldn't go
Speaker 1: back from there. The reason I'm sort of like, in
Speaker 1: the same way with football, it's like you always choose
Speaker 1: the Chiefs until someone beats them. Now, the Eagles beat them,
Speaker 1: so now we won't just assume that the Chiefs are
Speaker 1: going to win again. But Don literally won a championship
Speaker 1: after losing seventy percent of her offense. She lost all
Speaker 1: of her starters and reloaded and won a championship and
Speaker 1: went undefeated in the process. So I gave them the
Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt. But there was not a single
Speaker 1: team on this planet, maybe not even the Lakers, that
Speaker 1: we're going to beat that Yukon team the way they
Speaker 1: were playing period.
Speaker 2: How important is it with coach Staley, the culture that
Speaker 2: she's building in South Carolina? How important is that program
Speaker 2: for women's college basketball.
Speaker 1: What's funny is that Gino and Don have very similar
Speaker 1: programs in terms of, like in this new nil world
Speaker 1: where there's so much player empowerment, right, Like they can lead,
Speaker 1: they can go. Do they come for money? They leave
Speaker 1: for more money if you go to Yukon in South Carolina,
Speaker 1: Like they're not really paying that much money. It's not
Speaker 1: that they can't, it's that they're just sort of like, listen,
Speaker 1: do you want to contend for national championship? Do you
Speaker 1: want to be in the W and if you do
Speaker 1: these two programs give you the best opportunity to do
Speaker 1: both of those things. So it's really interesting because Dawn,
Speaker 1: I mean, her leading scores came off the bench. Like
Speaker 1: it's tough to convince young women who are becoming famous,
Speaker 1: who are getting you know, nods from Steph Curry, who
Speaker 1: are getting a ton of money and brand of marketing deals,
Speaker 1: that they still need to come off the bench because
Speaker 1: it's what's best for the program, because it's what's best
Speaker 1: for the team. But I think talking to her team,
Speaker 1: the reason that they do that is because specifically with
Speaker 1: Down because she has literally walked that path, you know,
Speaker 1: like she is a champion at it right, Like she's
Speaker 1: she was a champion player. She didn't win in college,
Speaker 1: but she was a National Player of the year, then
Speaker 1: went onto the pros. She then went on and was
Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame coach. She's won the Olympic gold medals. Like,
Speaker 1: so they really see her as like a t t so,
Speaker 1: you know, like a proud auntie and she really she
Speaker 1: calls herself a dream merchant, but that's because she tries
Speaker 1: to prepare them for more than just basketball. So they
Speaker 1: just have such a respect for her she speaks their language,
Speaker 1: she meets them where they're at, and I think that's
Speaker 1: why they buy in. But the culture is why she's
Speaker 1: so consistently in the conversation, even with a team that
Speaker 1: did not have a Bona five super Starly this is
Speaker 1: the first time don tried to win a national championship
Speaker 1: without a Lotto pick. She won her first one with
Speaker 1: Asia Wilson, the Asia Wilson right. She won her second
Speaker 1: one with Leah Boston. She won her third one with
Speaker 1: Kamilla Cardoso. They didn't have that this year, and they
Speaker 1: still made the national championship.
Speaker 2: Right now, over the years, I've been a fan of
Speaker 2: women's basketball for years, watching Sue Bird here in New
Speaker 2: York High School, Shamikah holes Claw, and a few other players.
Speaker 3: The recent s of women's players.
Speaker 2: What is happening though, because it's a different thing that's
Speaker 2: happening now with women's Like they just a couple of
Speaker 2: years ago to have a higher rated national championship game
Speaker 2: than the men's championship game, which was when.
Speaker 3: I found out that was crazy to mean, it's.
Speaker 2: Play better tournament, And yeah, it seems like it's more
Speaker 2: exciting to watch women's college basketball now.
Speaker 3: Than ever before, Like, what is the cause of that?
Speaker 1: Well, I think part of it is because in the
Speaker 1: men's side, the really big players, the big names, they're
Speaker 1: one and done, like they bounce right Cooper Flag's done,
Speaker 1: he's out, Zion like all these big name sort of
Speaker 1: superstars they leave. In the women's game, you have to
Speaker 1: be twenty two years old the year of the draft
Speaker 1: to lead, which means that in most cases we're getting
Speaker 1: them for four years because of COVID. In some cases,
Speaker 1: like with Paige Beckers, we're getting them for five years.
Speaker 1: So I think you just you just get to know
Speaker 1: them more, you root for them more. Like you. They
Speaker 1: become household names, and IL has helped, Like they've got
Speaker 1: incredible brand of marketing deals, they're better on social media,
Speaker 1: so they're social media stars on top of what they're
Speaker 1: doing on the court. And then I just think like
Speaker 1: in general, the game has gotten better. We talked to
Speaker 1: Geno about this. I asked him this last year, like,
Speaker 1: what do you think it is, because he's, you know,
Speaker 1: a legacy, he's an og and he was like, honestly,
Speaker 1: I also think there's an appreciation for people meeting the
Speaker 1: women where they're at, and he used the example of
Speaker 1: Diana Tarasi like he was like when de was coming
Speaker 1: through Yukon, everybody's comp was always right, like, she's like Kobe.
Speaker 1: She's like a female Kobe. Of course that's why she's
Speaker 1: the white mom. But he was like, now the comps
Speaker 1: are she's like an Asia Wilson. She's like a Brianna Stewart, right,
Speaker 1: And so they appreciate women's game for what it is,
Speaker 1: as opposed to saying, well, I'd be more interested if
Speaker 1: they dunked, or I'd be more interested if they did this.
Speaker 1: I think there's just an appreciation for how they play more.
Speaker 1: But I really do think it comes down to the
Speaker 1: fact that you just watch them longer, like you watch
Speaker 1: them for years. With Paige Becker's like you saw her journey.
Speaker 1: You know how hard it was for her to win
Speaker 1: that national championship. You were root for her. And in
Speaker 1: the men's side, they just they bounced. I mean, most
Speaker 1: of these big name superstars, we don't even remember where
Speaker 1: they went to college because they were only there for
Speaker 1: a calendar year.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 2: I was talking to somebody a few weeks ago, I said,
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't even can't name the.
Speaker 2: Top five picks of the NBA Draft, Like, I really can't.
Speaker 3: I can't. I can't name the top five picks.
Speaker 2: And that's probably the first time in years that I
Speaker 2: could actually say I cannot name the top five picks
Speaker 2: in the NBA Draft.
Speaker 1: I'm with you, I can name Cooper Flag. But you know,
Speaker 1: I'm all like I always joke whenever someone's like, and
Speaker 1: who's your pick on the men's side, I'm like, men
Speaker 1: play basketball.
Speaker 2: I don't know how long How long do you think
Speaker 2: before or do you ever think that they will try
Speaker 2: that with men's basketball, where they would actually, you know,
Speaker 2: have the players stay not and not do one and done.
Speaker 3: Do you think that will ever happen?
Speaker 2: Because I mean, this is a business, and if they
Speaker 2: start to see the ratings and viewership slip more than
Speaker 2: it already has, I can see them getting to a
Speaker 2: point where they're like, we have to do something to
Speaker 2: keep these players at these universities for more than a year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I actually think even though existentially, like
Speaker 1: for me, you know this big boogeyman of nil that
Speaker 1: everybody always bitches and complains about, Like, I get it.
Speaker 1: If you are a program, if you're a coach.
Speaker 4: It's tough.
Speaker 1: It is tough because like as soon as someone says
Speaker 1: something you don't like or plays you in a way
Speaker 1: you don't like, they can bounce. And I understand that
Speaker 1: there's a lot they didn't regulate it at all, or
Speaker 1: they regulated it too much and then it turned into
Speaker 1: the wild wild West. As a fan, I think it's great.
Speaker 1: Like I love the fact it's so much drama. Right,
Speaker 1: We've never had like a real off season in college sports,
Speaker 1: so the idea that you know, the kid in Tennessee
Speaker 1: is like, I'll want more money and they're like, we'll
Speaker 1: call your bluff. You can fuck off. Like, I think
Speaker 1: it's exciting.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I also think NIL helps with some players because they
Speaker 1: don't they don't want to leave right, Like they know
Speaker 1: that if they're going to be a late first round pick,
Speaker 1: they could probably make. Look at Drew Timmy that you
Speaker 1: just felt like twenty five years in college basketball, but
Speaker 1: it's because he knew there was a lot more opportunity
Speaker 1: for him staying in college. So I think that is
Speaker 1: going to help some of these dudes that you know
Speaker 1: are maybe fringe like lotto picks, decide to stay another
Speaker 1: year or take their talent somewhere else and get more money.
Speaker 1: But I mean they've tried it now, right, Like I remember,
Speaker 1: you know when it was you could come straight from
Speaker 1: high school, and then they regulated that because they felt
Speaker 1: like it was making college irrelevant. And then they went
Speaker 1: into the one and done and now we're back to
Speaker 1: the it's making college irrelevant. But ultimately, it's just really
Speaker 1: hard to tell these players who are coming out for
Speaker 1: the most part, the top players are coming out somewhat
Speaker 1: pro ready. It's hard to tell them, like to force
Speaker 1: them to stay in college when they know they can
Speaker 1: make so much bank in the NBA. So I don't
Speaker 1: know that there's a regulation that's coming. Adam Silver's talked
Speaker 1: about that, the NCAA's talked about that, and ultimately it's
Speaker 1: really up to the if they think they've got to
Speaker 1: flat on their hands. No, they got one year, it's
Speaker 1: like make it or break it is.
Speaker 3: This is it now. I'm not mad at the NIO.
Speaker 2: I think that, you know, we should be paying these
Speaker 2: collegiate as athletes, especially with all of the money that
Speaker 2: they bring these universities. I absolutely hate the transfer portal though,
Speaker 2: I think that is a problem. Like I one, I
Speaker 2: don't understand it and to us like why do we
Speaker 2: have that?
Speaker 3: Like you know what I mean, like, why what do
Speaker 3: you dis.
Speaker 4: Like about it?
Speaker 2: Because I think that it's It's almost like if I
Speaker 2: go to university, I commit to a university and I
Speaker 2: get there and say I'm not playing well, I don't
Speaker 2: like the coach as somebody that you know has a
Speaker 2: scholarship or doesn't have a walk on places out plays me.
Speaker 2: He has more playing time than me. Now I can
Speaker 2: just decide that, oh, I'm going to transfer. I just
Speaker 2: don't agree with that. I just think that that's I
Speaker 2: think that has the potential to kill college.
Speaker 6: Not that there was a transfer portal, say when Cam
Speaker 6: Newton was there, but we could have got a better
Speaker 6: Cam Newton if he could have left Florida immediately and
Speaker 6: went to Auburn rather than like one and a half years,
Speaker 6: Like he could have really had four years of greatness
Speaker 6: instead of just sitting behind Tim Tebow stealing laptops.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I don't know. I just I just think
Speaker 3: that it.
Speaker 2: Just gives players, I want to say, like an out,
Speaker 2: like the first thing that they don't like. The coach
Speaker 2: does this says that doesn't like the offense, I'm out
Speaker 2: of here. I'm transferring. It's like I just don't agree
Speaker 2: with the transporter. I think that that's like you.
Speaker 3: Should have to sit out a full year.
Speaker 1: I believe, yeah, like how it used to be. I mean,
Speaker 1: here's what I would say to you about that, because
Speaker 1: I hear that a lot. And like I said, if
Speaker 1: you're a coach, I get it. The transfer portal has
Speaker 1: retired some coaches. They're like, I want to deal with it,
Speaker 1: this is it's a new breed of player and whatnot.
Speaker 1: But I would also say that like you can apply
Speaker 1: that to literally anything in life, like even go to
Speaker 1: the pros, like their player impoundment now is just saying okay,
Speaker 1: I'll set out I just won't participate until you give
Speaker 1: me more money, until you trade me.
Speaker 2: That's true. But something some would say that that's ruining
Speaker 2: the NBA as well.
Speaker 1: Though, and that's fine. I think it comes down to
Speaker 1: I don't want to say it comes down to character,
Speaker 1: as if you have bad character, if you choose to
Speaker 1: do it. I was raised that like when you start something,
Speaker 1: you finish it. You don't quit period. You finish something,
Speaker 1: and then if if you don't want to do it
Speaker 1: at the end of it. Again, you don't have to
Speaker 1: sign back up, but that you don't quit things, and
Speaker 1: so existentially, I will never be that person. That's just
Speaker 1: who I am, and that's sort of like my moral base.
Speaker 1: And I think there are plenty of players who feel
Speaker 1: the same way, who say, Okay, I'm still going to
Speaker 1: stay with this program because I made a commitment to
Speaker 1: them and they made a commitment to me. I just
Speaker 1: think people are motivated by different things. And you know, frankly,
Speaker 1: like I said before, they this is on the conference.
Speaker 1: This is on the conferences in the leagues. Because they
Speaker 1: went so long with punishing people for having you know,
Speaker 1: a McDonald's meal paid for by a booster could cost
Speaker 1: you your eligibility. They went so long doing that crap
Speaker 1: that then Congress had to get involved, and Congress didn't
Speaker 1: know anything else sports, so they were like, cool, wheels
Speaker 1: are off, go at. They completely deregulated everything when the
Speaker 1: NCAA could have got ahead of this years ago, and
Speaker 1: instead they waited and they waited and they waited and
Speaker 1: they waited, and they put it in somebody else's hands
Speaker 1: and now they're upset, but ultimately like this, this is
Speaker 1: the new reality I'm with you. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: it was something like on the first day of eligibility
Speaker 1: there was like twelve hundred people in the transfer portal,
Speaker 1: Like that's that's that's bano. So we also have to
Speaker 1: stop looking at college as an amateur sport. It's not anymore.
Speaker 1: It's a professional league at this point. I think they
Speaker 1: need to make it that way. They need to have
Speaker 1: a commissioner. They need to allow these people to have, like,
Speaker 1: you know, the agents that they have, and treat it
Speaker 1: as a professional league, because that's essentially where we.
Speaker 6: Are in covering women's college basketball. You're there early for
Speaker 6: shoot around, you're in the locker rooms, et cetera. How
Speaker 6: bad is the music taste of these young people.
Speaker 1: It's like, I feel like I'm in a constant TikTok video.
Speaker 3: So hard.
Speaker 4: You're in the tiktoka constantly.
Speaker 1: It's just and then sometimes you'll realize you are in
Speaker 1: a TikTok video. You know, you'll see him synchronizing and
Speaker 1: doing the dance. I'm like, wow, we're here. It's not
Speaker 1: It's not great. I mean, I like every kind of music,
Speaker 1: Like music is very much my shit. I had a
Speaker 1: musical background. I started in hip hop radio in Atlanta,
Speaker 1: And if I wasn't doing sports, frankly, I would be
Speaker 1: doing something in the music world, maybe music supervisor or something.
Speaker 1: I love music, but I also feel like some of
Speaker 1: the music needs to like make you feel something, and
Speaker 1: like the mumble rap and the TikTok songs, I.
Speaker 4: Don't see somebody's artists.
Speaker 2: Somebody's artists need to get into transfer portal. That's what
Speaker 2: transfer out of music. Transfer out of that music makes
Speaker 2: you feel something, it makes you feel stupid.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely fair.
Speaker 1: I will say the wildest shoot around I was ever
Speaker 1: at though, cause like, for the most part, right for
Speaker 1: the most part, especially in the basketball world, they're listening
Speaker 1: to a lot of hip hop, you know, and even
Speaker 1: if it's not particularly my type of hip hop, it's
Speaker 1: like SoundCloud hip hop, it's still hip hop. Like it's
Speaker 1: still you know, it's still got some thumb.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I went to shoot around a couple of years ago
Speaker 1: at Iowa. Kaylen Clark was there and they were blasting
Speaker 1: Taylor swiftest shoot around, and I was like, this feels
Speaker 1: very apropos Like I've never really seen anybody lean all
Speaker 1: the way in. He comes from the hostile music for page,
Speaker 1: but for the most part, it's all the same consistent thing.
Speaker 4: What music did you listen to coming up in Atlanta?
Speaker 1: Oh Man, Well, you know, I don't know how. I
Speaker 1: don't know how Atlanta I can go. But like I
Speaker 1: was raised on like kil and Raheem the Dream and
Speaker 1: I mean, but I'm wearing an outcast shirt shirt.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Always. But my parents were always really had like a
Speaker 1: really diverse sort of discography too, if you will, and
Speaker 1: their tastes were varied. So I also grew up on
Speaker 1: a lot of like, like my favorite artists still to
Speaker 1: this day is Sam Cook, I love Stevie Wonders, so
Speaker 1: all the classics. But I think what's cool about Atlanta
Speaker 1: is it's such a melting pot. And I was candidly
Speaker 1: raised in the suburbs of Atlanta, which if you don't know,
Speaker 1: when you drive thirty miles outside of Atlanta, you drive
Speaker 1: thirty miles back into time. And so I also grew
Speaker 1: up on a lot of like alternative music and rock music,
Speaker 1: and you know, I might have had a little bit
Speaker 1: of a metal moment for a time being. So I
Speaker 1: think that's where it came from, is just this melting
Speaker 1: pot of like you know, whistle while you twerk, and
Speaker 1: then we would like hit you with a little Green
Speaker 1: Day too.
Speaker 2: Oh no, we were just talking about Green Day a
Speaker 2: couple of days ago, like and OJ that juice Love
Speaker 2: Love Green Day, Huge, Green Day. Yo.
Speaker 1: OJ's ad libs were just so great. I mean, just
Speaker 1: the best.
Speaker 6: Nicest person too. What you were saying so so.
Speaker 2: So you had a time where you would we could
Speaker 2: catch l at hot topic in the all getting like
Speaker 2: some outfits, some some shirts like heavy metal I got
Speaker 2: the Outcast shirt?
Speaker 3: Was that hot topic?
Speaker 1: This is one hundred percent Spencer's gifts. Absolutely, I had.
Speaker 1: I had a little moment with like system of a
Speaker 1: down Yeah, yeah, where I just want you know, you're
Speaker 1: young and you're angry for no reason. Uh like literally
Speaker 1: lived behind a farm. There was no reason to be angry,
Speaker 1: so I just had to manufacture anger. So metal music
Speaker 1: did that for me.
Speaker 6: Do you remember like the exact time when Outcast kind
Speaker 6: of popped and entered into the world.
Speaker 3: What was that like?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I was actually in middle school and
Speaker 1: at the time we had just moved from Atlanta to Florida,
Speaker 1: brief three year stint, very forgettable, but we were living
Speaker 1: in Jacksonville and I had heard Elevators and I was like,
Speaker 1: what's this and I then I started falling into the
Speaker 1: rabbit hole. Obviously it was more difficult back then. You
Speaker 1: couldn't just hop on Spotify, so I had to start
Speaker 1: buying CD singles. But that's when I like went back
Speaker 1: in time and you know, picked him back up with
Speaker 1: Southern playlistic. But I think what really made Outcast pop
Speaker 1: was like the Source Awards, you know, with saying that
Speaker 1: the South had something to say, was when it was
Speaker 1: like yes, because you know, New York and LA had
Speaker 1: dominated hip hop at that point and nobody took Southern
Speaker 1: rappers seriously. It was part of music. It was rhem,
Speaker 1: the dream. It was you know, like Uncle Lucash like,
Speaker 1: it was that kind of like, you know, Black Pack.
Speaker 1: I was hoping I can get this Black Pack reference
Speaker 1: in and I think for me, so for me, it
Speaker 1: was like middle school. But I really think the Source
Speaker 1: Awards is when people were like, these young fellas do
Speaker 1: have something to say? Interesting?
Speaker 6: And at the same time, what was I guess the
Speaker 6: wave like with TLC happening around then Jermaine Dupree starting out,
Speaker 6: what was the energy like then?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so fire. I love JD. I actually saw JD
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago after a Super Bowl. I
Speaker 1: was like, damn, man, why'd you dress like se Lo?
Speaker 1: He did a little bit a little like Sei Leo,
Speaker 1: right thought everybody did, but they were like they brought Selo,
Speaker 1: let's go. But like Goodie Mob was very much my
Speaker 1: ship at the time, and it was it was great
Speaker 1: because we had TLC who were like our R and
Speaker 1: B queens, but then we had all of you know,
Speaker 1: Jermaine Dupree was really starting to put us on the map.
Speaker 1: Like Luda. I think people sort of gloss over Luda's
Speaker 1: contributions to hip hop. I get it, he's like fun rap,
Speaker 1: but like Luda was huge for us. You know, he
Speaker 1: was more mainstream than even Outcast was at the time.
Speaker 1: And then just sort of like his wordplay and his
Speaker 1: fun energy. I mean, they still play Move, Bitch, get
Speaker 1: out the Way at Falcons games every time they get
Speaker 1: a first down. And so it was it was like
Speaker 1: such an amazing time to be in Atlanta. I remember
Speaker 1: like having you know, my cousins, my family's from Denver,
Speaker 1: and they would be like, can you can you like
Speaker 1: record on the radio? Got a few of young listeners
Speaker 1: or viewers. I'm sure they're like what you used to
Speaker 1: have to press record and play at the same time
Speaker 1: on your on your tapes, and I would make them
Speaker 1: mixtapes and I would send them to them because they
Speaker 1: were getting music. Eight nine, ten months later that we
Speaker 1: were debuting in Atlanta. It was quite a time Freaknick
Speaker 1: was popping at the time, like it was was too
Speaker 1: young for that.
Speaker 2: All right, listen Elle, you referenced Luke, You reference Luke,
Speaker 2: and now you reference the Freaknik.
Speaker 3: Is there anything you wanted? Trailers and Jacksonville.
Speaker 2: JD is doing a Freaknick documentary. Are we going to
Speaker 2: see l somewhere in the background walking past a camera? Like,
Speaker 2: just let us know now so we don't be as
Speaker 2: surprised when we see it.
Speaker 3: No, I was.
Speaker 1: For I am so fortunate that Freaknick was really pretty
Speaker 1: much waning out by the time I hit like college,
Speaker 1: but it was it was definitely very prevalent in middle
Speaker 1: and high school for me. My first introduction to Freaknick,
Speaker 1: my dad had to take because anybody that was from
Speaker 1: there knew, like, you stay away from downtown Atlanta during Freaknick, unless,
Speaker 1: of course you're participating, but we had to go. I
Speaker 1: had theater camp downtown and so my dad had to
Speaker 1: take me exact problem. And I just remember my dad
Speaker 1: being like, cover your eyes, close your eyes because it
Speaker 1: was I mean it was it was going down. And
Speaker 1: then in high school, this guy comes up to me
Speaker 1: in class. We were in Spanish class. His name was Shannon.
Speaker 1: I'll never forget this. He comes up to me. He's like,
Speaker 1: let me show you something, you know, And this is
Speaker 1: when we just had like digital cameras, were gonna have
Speaker 1: like cell phones with that digital cameras, And he was like,
Speaker 1: take a look, and he shows me a video he
Speaker 1: had taken on his digital camera of some folks getting
Speaker 1: at popping while just just driving down Peachtree in the
Speaker 1: back of a truck with everyone like watching. And I
Speaker 1: was like, is this what's happening thirty miles from now
Speaker 1: here downtown?
Speaker 6: Like absolutely, yeah, you were practicing othello while you're doing that, right, I'm.
Speaker 1: Over here doing Shakespeare and they're shaking that ass, they're
Speaker 1: shaking out. I love to remind some people, many of
Speaker 1: which you are from Atlanta or from the surrounding areas.
Speaker 1: I'm like, some of you came about because of freakniks.
Speaker 4: So yeah, for.
Speaker 3: Sure, absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 6: And they're carrying on the tradition just without the festival
Speaker 6: exactly correct.
Speaker 2: El So, you being so close to women's college basketball
Speaker 2: and actually seeing these women up close and personal, who
Speaker 2: is the one player that people don't talk about a
Speaker 2: lot that you feel like will be a star at
Speaker 2: the next level?
Speaker 1: Ooh, someone people don't talk about a lot. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, the thing about women's college basketball is, even
Speaker 1: though the parody is gone a lot better, there's still
Speaker 1: really only like six or seven teams that I think
Speaker 1: are really like contenders every year. And of those six
Speaker 1: or seven teams, there's probably like three or four that
Speaker 1: I think are our you know, next level or generational
Speaker 1: or transformational. So most people sort of know them. But
Speaker 1: I think someone that is is really going to take
Speaker 1: not just because of her play, but because of everything
Speaker 1: that she represents that's really going to take the next
Speaker 1: level by storm is Flage Johnson at LSU. Because we
Speaker 1: know that these young women have to navigate a lot,
Speaker 1: and they're balancing being student athletes and now being brands
Speaker 1: because of nil, but she's like a whole ass rapper
Speaker 1: and performer, like she'll go do a performance somewhere and
Speaker 1: then she'll find where their closest jim is and she'll
Speaker 1: work out for LSU. She's a champion. I think Flage
Speaker 1: is like she's gonna be you know, we see you know,
Speaker 1: some dudes in the NBA and their careers fizzle out
Speaker 1: and they end up having hits that I don't know why.
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. I don't I don't get it. Jello,
Speaker 1: I don't like Elle.
Speaker 3: I love you, I love you already, ell Ell, I
Speaker 3: love you.
Speaker 1: I'm like you guys are one of those songs that,
Speaker 1: like it starts out, you're like, oh, this is fun,
Speaker 1: and then after about thirty seconds, it's like, because that's
Speaker 1: all you.
Speaker 2: Need, and that's all you need for all you need
Speaker 2: for TikTok is twenty seconds.
Speaker 4: All you need for streaming.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's all that's all you need.
Speaker 2: So they're making these songs that just have this moment
Speaker 2: within the song and people like that's a hit.
Speaker 3: I'm like, no, it's not.
Speaker 4: It's certified gold as yesterday.
Speaker 3: It's a terrible record, terrible, terrible record.
Speaker 1: Well it's not a good record, it's it's just it's
Speaker 1: one of those that like yeah, Like, if you're a DJ,
Speaker 1: it's fun. You play it for the crowd for thirty
Speaker 1: seconds and then you move on. Nobody wants to listen
Speaker 1: to that shit from beginning to end.
Speaker 3: Nobody.
Speaker 6: I'll agree with you there, I'm definitely not listening to
Speaker 6: that entire record.
Speaker 3: I do like it in the.
Speaker 6: Middle of a set for you know, thirty seconds at most.
Speaker 6: But his follow up with Gloilla was one of the
Speaker 6: worst songs I've ever heard.
Speaker 2: Because he because he's not a real artist. He's not
Speaker 2: a rapper, he's not a real artist.
Speaker 3: That's why.
Speaker 1: Yes, And like the actual she's an actual artist. Like
Speaker 1: I think that's why Flage is dope, because like, you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of these dudes rap and they're bored. You know,
Speaker 1: Damian lillarpoill hop on a mic, and like I think
Speaker 1: Dame's actually not bad. Yeah, Dame can rap, but it's
Speaker 1: it's a it's a hobby. Like Flage really wants basketball
Speaker 1: and music to like sort of both be her careers,
Speaker 1: and she has the talent to do that. So I
Speaker 1: just think, I think at the next level, Like I
Speaker 1: just think she's going to be an absolute So.
Speaker 3: She's a star already.
Speaker 2: I can't open X without seeing a flage ad. I'm like, yo,
Speaker 2: she is she in school? Like they just have a
Speaker 2: work doing ads all day. On X you said you
Speaker 2: did theater as a kid Atlanta Radio. Did you ever
Speaker 2: try to rap? There's no way you did.
Speaker 1: Absolutely not. My my rap style, I describe it as
Speaker 1: like a mix of like Fergie and Kesh. It's very
Speaker 1: white girl rap, like I need. It needs to be slow,
Speaker 1: you know. I woke up in the morning like I
Speaker 1: won't say his name. Yeah, it's been like very so methodical,
Speaker 1: which is why when everybody was shitting on snap music,
Speaker 1: I was like, I love that shit.
Speaker 4: I all along to the easy Pocket.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like ABC one two three raps. I never
Speaker 1: tried to rap, but I did. Rory have a very
Speaker 1: brief encounter as a singer. I got a record deal
Speaker 1: when I was nineteen, and the deal was it the
Speaker 1: deal put TLC's deal to Shane. Just to tell you
Speaker 1: how bad that deal was, Like they wanted to own
Speaker 1: my name and perpetuity for like my life, like it was.
Speaker 4: They didn't negotiate with ESPN just now.
Speaker 1: They would still be making money off of me doing
Speaker 1: something that's not music related and I released like I
Speaker 1: had like some songs I put together like an EP,
Speaker 1: and I went and I performed for the first time.
Speaker 1: I was gonta do a live performance for the first
Speaker 1: time with original music at this club in Atlanta at
Speaker 1: the time called the Chili Pepper, and I had backup
Speaker 1: dancers and like all this stuff. And it was so
Speaker 1: bad that my own parents couldn't even lie to me,
Speaker 1: like they like when I came off stage, I was like,
Speaker 1: how did I do? And they were just like, You're
Speaker 1: so brave.
Speaker 3: It's so brave, such a brave soul.
Speaker 4: What went wrong? What?
Speaker 1: It just was bad? Like, you know what I realized.
Speaker 1: I realized that having a decent voice and that I
Speaker 1: love because I loved music so much, I thought, well,
Speaker 1: because I love music, and people keep telling me I
Speaker 1: have a decent voice, like I should do something in
Speaker 1: this space. And I think what I realized was that
Speaker 1: you can have like a passion and you can like
Speaker 1: enjoy something and that does not mean that you have
Speaker 1: what it takes to make it a profession. Like just
Speaker 1: because you like making beats and that's a great creative
Speaker 1: outlet for you, does not mean that, like you're the
Speaker 1: next DJ Mustard, Like, I just it just doesn't do
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, And like, there's a whole
Speaker 1: lot more that goes into being a music artist then
Speaker 1: generally liking writing songs, and like, there's just a lot
Speaker 1: more that goes into it. And I realized that at
Speaker 1: the time, but it was just it was the dancing.
Speaker 1: It was the singing on key to a backup track.
Speaker 3: Key is important.
Speaker 2: On key is important because you can sing, but are
Speaker 2: you on key tune on it exactly?
Speaker 1: And I discovered that, like I am the Queen of
Speaker 1: Shower Records, Like in the Shower, it's not like with
Speaker 1: the acoustics, yeah right, Like I'm fucking Whitney Houston. But
Speaker 1: you you put me with like ears in and it
Speaker 1: doesn't go particularly well. So I just keep it to
Speaker 1: karaoke at this point.
Speaker 2: So Paige Beckers, she is the real deal. I like
Speaker 2: her game. Where do you have her? As far as
Speaker 2: what she will be able to do for the WNBA.
Speaker 2: We saw what Caitlin and Angels rivalry and they're back
Speaker 2: and forth kind of help to elevate the audience of
Speaker 2: the WNBA.
Speaker 3: Do you think Page comes in and adds to that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, She's definitely a ratings driver. I mean, listen, let's
Speaker 1: just be real. There's no one like Caitlyn Clark. Like
Speaker 1: there's like there just isn't There's no one, there's no rivalry.
Speaker 1: I think that's fresh on people's minds. That's bigger than
Speaker 1: Angel Rees versus Kaitlin Clark. It's why their matchups always
Speaker 1: do so well. But Paige Becker's Like the thing about
Speaker 1: Page is that someone was asking me this the other day.
Speaker 1: They were like, this idea that the space is being
Speaker 1: dominated by like a white woman, and it worked really
Speaker 1: well for Caitlin because she's so freakin good and also
Speaker 1: helped that like mainstream America, you know, could relate to
Speaker 1: her and see, you know, their daughters and her. Why
Speaker 1: didn't we have that same you know, astronomical effect with Page.
Speaker 1: And the thing is is that, like Paige Becker's is
Speaker 1: the best way to describe her is a very un
Speaker 1: sexy word, and that is efficient, Like there is not
Speaker 1: a smarter basketball player in terms of Page almost never
Speaker 1: takes the wrong shot. She is is so incredibly efficient,
Speaker 1: Like she was like on the precipice of like a
Speaker 1: season where she was shooting at least fifty percent from
Speaker 1: the field, at least forty percent from three, and was
Speaker 1: shooting ninety percent from the free throw line. She's a
Speaker 1: great two way player. She's a hell of a defender,
Speaker 1: She's a facilitator. She can bring the ball up, she
Speaker 1: can create. But she's very deferential, like Page is, such
Speaker 1: as she doesn't love the like is a superstar, she's
Speaker 1: the Queen of Riz Like. She's just as charismatic in
Speaker 1: person as you see on social media, but she's also
Speaker 1: very much about Like if you ever hear her talk,
Speaker 1: all she does talk about her teamates, it's always about
Speaker 1: other people, other people, other people. She doesn't love to
Speaker 1: sort of own and embrace this superstar thing, and I
Speaker 1: think that that's maybe why we didn't see the same.
Speaker 1: I also think that there was a lot of stop
Speaker 1: and start to her career because of the injuries. Like
Speaker 1: Paige was the original Caitlin in terms of height. She
Speaker 1: was the Gatorade National Player of the Year in high school,
Speaker 1: COVID ruined her chance of winning a state champ being
Speaker 1: ship She's the first and still only freshman ever to
Speaker 1: win National Player of the Year. And there was just
Speaker 1: this groundswell of like yo, this is the one, and
Speaker 1: then she got hurt, right, and then she got hurt again,
Speaker 1: and then all of her teammates got her. And I
Speaker 1: think because of sort of the stop and start is
Speaker 1: why we didn't see those same sort of like bananas
Speaker 1: numbers that we saw with Caitlin Clark. But she is
Speaker 1: absolutely the real deal, Like she is so incredible also
Speaker 1: at navigating the space, because the w space is yes,
Speaker 1: about the basketball, but also about the conversation and narratives
Speaker 1: around it, and I think that Page navigates that in
Speaker 1: such a smart way and it's incredibly authentic, Like she
Speaker 1: understands and respects that this was a league that was
Speaker 1: born and bred on the backs of black women, queer women,
Speaker 1: and that they always have had the same attention and
Speaker 1: commercial appeal, and she uses every opportunity she can to
Speaker 1: thank them, to show them gratitude, to pay homage to them.
Speaker 1: So she's she's gonna be She's gonna be amazing. Am
Speaker 1: I do I expect that we're going to see, you know,
Speaker 1: seven million viewers every time she steps on the court.
Speaker 1: Maybe not, but in terms of just sheer talent, who
Speaker 1: she is as a person, and then her social media
Speaker 1: you know, outreach she's a superstar.
Speaker 4: How do you feel the first takes and just morning
Speaker 4: debate shows have affected the legacy of Sports Center?
Speaker 1: Hmm, well, I mean I think in general, there's been
Speaker 1: a lot of debate about like do we embrace debate?
Speaker 1: Are we tired of debate? Sports Ower is one of
Speaker 1: those like tried and true. When I first started working
Speaker 1: at ESPN, they were like, sports Owner is such a
Speaker 1: recognized brand that some people don't even associate it with ESPN,
Speaker 1: Like they think it's its own thing. And Sports Center
Speaker 1: has also seen some like different machinations right where like
Speaker 1: it was very to start, was very newsy. It was
Speaker 1: very you know, you give the highlights, you give the facts,
Speaker 1: like there's no and then like people like Stuart Scott
Speaker 1: came in and they brought in cultural references and they
Speaker 1: made it more fun and interesting and they used you know,
Speaker 1: one liners to sort of tell the story of sports.
Speaker 1: And now I think that the Sports Owner that I
Speaker 1: work at is cool because it allows for any type
Speaker 1: of personality to be who they want to be. Like
Speaker 1: fifteen years ago, probably a sports center was never going
Speaker 1: to let someone like me write a monologue where I
Speaker 1: just roast people like I do on taking the l
Speaker 1: right or allow the fandom. You know, I bark because
Speaker 1: I'm a Georgia Bulldog fan whenever I can, Like, I
Speaker 1: don't think it was embraced or appreciated in the same way,
Speaker 1: and I'd like to believe that the debate shows have
Speaker 1: helped in that way. I think that it allows like
Speaker 1: I get to do first take. There would have been
Speaker 1: a time where it would have been nonsensical to put
Speaker 1: a sports center anchor on a debate show, because the
Speaker 1: whole point is, it's not about you, it's not about
Speaker 1: your opinion, it doesn't matter what you think. And so
Speaker 1: I think that a place like ESPN and the first
Speaker 1: takes of the world and they get up to the
Speaker 1: world's has just allowed people to sort of see us
Speaker 1: a little bit more than just what the specific role is.
Speaker 1: And so I like to believe that I'm a sports
Speaker 1: center anchor and then some and so you know, ultimately,
Speaker 1: like we're sort of damned if we do and damned
Speaker 1: if we don't. Sometimes at ESPN, you just go full
Speaker 1: highlights and people go, well, I can get that on
Speaker 1: my phone. That's stupid. Why would I just come to
Speaker 1: you for highlights? That's stupid. You talk too much and
Speaker 1: then they go, we want our highlights. It's like you really, like,
Speaker 1: you really can't win, And so ultimately it works like
Speaker 1: people that bitch and complain about first take like tell
Speaker 1: that to the ratings, tell that to the interest, to
Speaker 1: the intrigue, like it's a it's a formula that's working,
Speaker 1: and so they're going to keep doing it and like that.
Speaker 1: It just is what it is. But ultimately, like if
Speaker 1: you don't like a debate show, we also offer you
Speaker 1: other options as well.
Speaker 4: What's something you want to add to Sports Center that's
Speaker 4: not currently there?
Speaker 1: Something I want to add to Sports Center?
Speaker 4: More baseball highlights, yeah for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, golf, yeah, more golf in general. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I would say that, like speaking for my Sports Center
Speaker 1: because it's a one hour show and then when you
Speaker 1: account for commercials, it's a forty minute show. What I
Speaker 1: would love for Sports Center to be able to have
Speaker 1: more of but it's kind of impossible based on the formula.
Speaker 1: It's just more time to let shit breathe, you know,
Speaker 1: like more time to have a guest on and not
Speaker 1: dedicate three minutes to them, Like if the conversation is
Speaker 1: going really well, being able to have more opportunity to
Speaker 1: expound or to dig in a little deeper on things.
Speaker 1: But that's just not really what we're working with, Like
Speaker 1: we're trying to give you all of the news or
Speaker 1: table set everything that's coming up amongst the four major sports,
Speaker 1: including women's basketball, including men's basketball. Like, it's just it's
Speaker 1: a lot. I wish that there was a little bit
Speaker 1: more space to just when called for a freestyle a bit.
Speaker 3: How do you feel about some.
Speaker 2: Of the biggest stars in the WNBA being able to
Speaker 2: make more money in unrival than.
Speaker 3: The actual league?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think that it It's fortunately short term,
Speaker 1: you know, the new CBA is coming up, this is
Speaker 1: the last year under this current CBA. They will get
Speaker 1: an exponential raise. Of course, it's unfortunate. You know, it's
Speaker 1: when you see that like Caitlin Clark, Paige Becker's Angel
Speaker 1: Reese making seventy two thousand dollars a year and their
Speaker 1: you know, first year, Like I'm pretty sure that's what
Speaker 1: like the team manager is making on an NBA team, right, Like,
Speaker 1: So that's that's wild. I appreciate that Unrivaled was started
Speaker 1: by w NBA players with the FISA, Collier and Brianna Stewart,
Speaker 1: because they understand a what their worth is and their value,
Speaker 1: but they also understand that the money is in being
Speaker 1: an initial investor. And that was what I thought was
Speaker 1: the cool thing with Unrivaled. It wasn't just another league
Speaker 1: where they were promising to pay more people. It was
Speaker 1: a league where you could come in as an initial investor.
Speaker 1: So you're profiting off of a direct profit off of
Speaker 1: the ratings, the viewership, Jersey sales, ticket sales, Like you're
Speaker 1: getting a piece of all of that tech. You are
Speaker 1: in the CBA as well, but it's just such a
Speaker 1: small piece. So it gave these women an opportunity to
Speaker 1: have a business venture on top of being able to
Speaker 1: stay in this country not have to play internationally. It
Speaker 1: was a breeding ground for free agents, Like they got
Speaker 1: to play with people, They got to talk to people
Speaker 1: in Miami. From what I understand, like that's how some
Speaker 1: of these deals came about, is someone like hollering as
Speaker 1: someone and being like, Yo, you need to join us
Speaker 1: in Connecticut, you need to join us in New York.
Speaker 1: And so from all the women that I've talked to,
Speaker 1: they absolutely love it and the ratings were great despite
Speaker 1: the fact they didn't have some of the bigger, bigger
Speaker 1: names like an Asia Wilson or a Caitlin Clark Page
Speaker 1: signed on to do three years of it. So that's amazing.
Speaker 1: But I mean it's great to have competition, Like for
Speaker 1: so long in the women's space, it's basically been you
Speaker 1: get what you get and you don't get upset. And
Speaker 1: that's because there is no competition, right, Like there's one
Speaker 1: media company that does your games, there's one league that
Speaker 1: does your games, and so like you just have to
Speaker 1: get what you get because you really don't have any
Speaker 1: other options unless you want to go to Russia, and
Speaker 1: who wants to go to Russia?
Speaker 5: So any time there's compensation, that just drives the price up,
Speaker 5: right exactly, What's what's something you would change if you
Speaker 5: were the commissioner?
Speaker 6: Ooh?
Speaker 1: I mean, well, you know that's a tough one because
Speaker 1: the things that I think should change in the w
Speaker 1: R counter intuitive to what a commissioner would want, right
Speaker 1: paying them. Yeah, but I think you know what I
Speaker 1: would do is I would level the playing field more
Speaker 1: in terms of the facilities and because right now you
Speaker 1: still have the haves and have nots, like when you're
Speaker 1: a free agent and you're deciding and like, listen, it's
Speaker 1: with all sports. Some facilities facilities are nicer than others,
Speaker 1: and we get it, but they're in general is a baseline,
Speaker 1: right Like, there is a baseline of like, you can't
Speaker 1: have these women in a rat infested gym, right Like,
Speaker 1: there's like and I'm not saying that that's what's happening,
Speaker 1: but across men's sports, there's a baseline. You have to
Speaker 1: have certain nutrition, you have to have certain you know,
Speaker 1: number of staff that's and that's not there right now.
Speaker 1: So it's kind of like, okay, if if you go
Speaker 1: to the aces and you're in you're in great shape,
Speaker 1: right because Mark Davis really believes in the product, so
Speaker 1: we spends a ton of money. You're at Golden State,
Speaker 1: they're brand new, but like the Lake ups like they care,
Speaker 1: so they're going to spend a bunch of money. But
Speaker 1: let's say you want to go play for a team
Speaker 1: because you think their roster is incredible, but you also
Speaker 1: know that your facilities are trash like, so I would
Speaker 1: start with making a baseline that is better in general
Speaker 1: for them in terms of facilities. They're asking for insurance
Speaker 1: after they retire, which is like something that you should
Speaker 1: be able to do. The last CBA was really historic
Speaker 1: in terms of, like, you know, women have babies. It's
Speaker 1: a thing. I hope I'm not sharing something new with you,
Speaker 1: Ria Maw, but women have babies, so like what is
Speaker 1: it right? Like protections during pregnancy, how long it takes
Speaker 1: for them to get back onto the court, like all
Speaker 1: of those things I would take into consideration, but I
Speaker 1: would definitely start with the facilities and how they travel.
Speaker 1: And the charters were new last year, and again it's
Speaker 1: quine of one of those things where it was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: it's better than commercial for sure. However, I've also heard
Speaker 1: that some of these planes are basically like Southwest Plains,
Speaker 1: Like they're not they're not necessarily like the lap of
Speaker 1: luxury planes that you would expect on like a chartered
Speaker 1: you know, I've been on charters with the Red Sox
Speaker 1: and you know their lux like they're they're nice, nice,
Speaker 1: nice planes. Some of these planes don't even recline, you know.
Speaker 1: And these are tall women who are traveling across country,
Speaker 1: So just that kind of stuff.
Speaker 6: We had a Lexi Brown on the show and she
Speaker 6: just got traded from LA to Seattle, and the first
Speaker 6: thing she said was, well, at least they'll have a
Speaker 6: practice gym. Now she had no practice gym in Los Angeles,
Speaker 6: which is crazy Los Angeles, right, Kansas, Right, that's crazy.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: So when you're thinking about where you want to go,
Speaker 1: like do you want to go to the place that
Speaker 1: has not a practice gym or the place that has
Speaker 1: a practice gym and like a cryogenic chamber, like.
Speaker 4: You know, a shower and an ice bath at least, yeah,
Speaker 4: can you imagine?
Speaker 2: Now we had We also had one of your other calls,
Speaker 2: Andrea on and the other day were watching Rich Paul
Speaker 2: and he said he said he even feel like Miami
Speaker 2: was the Big Three because he even feel like Chris
Speaker 2: Bosh was part of the Big Three. Now you Andrea,
Speaker 2: and I don't want to butcher her name is it Shane?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Sam, y'all have been dubbed the Big Three? How important
Speaker 2: do you think it is what y'all are doing? Because
Speaker 2: I do think that y'all are building a type of
Speaker 2: culture and analyst and over at ESPN. How important and
Speaker 2: how much fun do y'all have doing what y'all doing?
Speaker 2: Because I'm starting to see clips of y'all everywhere having
Speaker 2: fun in the studio, and the way that y'all talk
Speaker 2: about the game and break it down and give it
Speaker 2: to somebody who is not really into women's sports like myself,
Speaker 2: but have followed it, y'all make it more, you know,
Speaker 2: palatable for somebody like me.
Speaker 3: How important is that for y'all and what y'all are building.
Speaker 1: We appreciate that. I mean, I think that's the point now,
Speaker 1: is that, like, you know, you got two ogs like
Speaker 1: Drea play in Tennessee. Chaney is a Stanford Hall of
Speaker 1: Famer and was a former number one overall pick, so
Speaker 1: they've been in it. But then you have someone like
Speaker 1: me who came into the space four seasons ago. I mean,
Speaker 1: I've obviously always been a fan of women's sports in general.
Speaker 1: I was a softball player in my whole life, but
Speaker 1: I wasn't in this space. And the beautiful part about
Speaker 1: growing and expanding a fan base is that there needs
Speaker 1: to be room for the novices who are learning. And
Speaker 1: I think what Cheney and Andrea do incredibly well is
Speaker 1: that while they could talk over your head about basketball,
Speaker 1: they make it digestible. They show you all the joy
Speaker 1: that they have in talking about it, and the joy
Speaker 1: that they had in playing it. They know these players
Speaker 1: so incredibly well. They either played with them or they
Speaker 1: mentor them. And I just think that, like, if you
Speaker 1: love the WNBA, if you love women's college basketball and
Speaker 1: you've been around since its inception, then they're for you,
Speaker 1: and we hope that we're for you. But if you're
Speaker 1: brand new and you're just trying to learn and you
Speaker 1: just want to know, like who should I be watching? Okay,
Speaker 1: apart from like Paige Becker's, who else on the team
Speaker 1: is really important if you want to see why ucon
Speaker 1: went on that ridiculous run and won the national championship,
Speaker 1: Like if you just want and then on top of that,
Speaker 1: if you just want to see three women who really
Speaker 1: enjoy each other's company and roast each other and look
Speaker 1: at each other like sisters. And you know, I come
Speaker 1: up with my one liners because I'm certainly not going
Speaker 1: to match them in terms of basketball acumen. Like, I
Speaker 1: just think that we try to bring as much fun
Speaker 1: as we can because this space is really fun. And
Speaker 1: the thing that's most important to me is that our
Speaker 1: relationship translates on air because we are always like that
Speaker 1: if the camera stops rolling, we don't stop acting that way.
Speaker 1: It's just that, you know, we have an opportunity to
Speaker 1: share our relationship with everybody, and it's been great. It's
Speaker 1: been one of the most rewarding experiences of my career
Speaker 1: because it's two women that I respect so much and
Speaker 1: we all want each other to win, and that can
Speaker 1: be difficult. Like I've worked with people before, and your
Speaker 1: job is to have chemistry and sometimes you have to
Speaker 1: fake it. And you know, my greatest like gift is
Speaker 1: when I've worked with someone who I can't stay and
Speaker 1: people will come up to me and be like, are
Speaker 1: you guys best friends? Because you just seem like you
Speaker 1: love each other. I'm like, she smiles through her teeth,
Speaker 1: And in this case, I don't have to fake the chemistry,
Speaker 1: the joy, the love, the respect. Like it's all been great.
Speaker 3: It was a funny story.
Speaker 2: I was driving in Manhattan one day and I'm turning
Speaker 2: on like thirty twenty ninth Street, I think, and I
Speaker 2: was texting, texting and turning at the same time. But
Speaker 2: I was trying to tell my friend that I was
Speaker 2: pulling up in front of the building to come downstairs,
Speaker 2: and I look up. I had to slam on the
Speaker 2: brakes almost hit somebody and she yells, you fucking idiot,
Speaker 2: and it was Swing Cash, and I wanted to say,
Speaker 2: I wanted to say I'm a big fan, but I
Speaker 2: didn't think that was the right the right time to yoh.
Speaker 1: You got swin to cuss at you because she's so
Speaker 1: chill and.
Speaker 2: Like, no, what I like? Yeah, I almost hit, like
Speaker 2: I'm turning slow, but like she had the right away
Speaker 2: to walk And I looked up and it was Swing
Speaker 2: Cash and she was just yelling like what are you.
Speaker 2: I was like, I wanted to say, I'm sorry, Swim,
Speaker 2: I'm a huge fan, but.
Speaker 3: That wasn't the right time to do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that probably was not the right wasn't the right
Speaker 1: time you almost murdered her, But yeah, I'm glad you didn't.
Speaker 6: We did an Atlanta album versus with pac Man Jones,
Speaker 6: another Atlanta resident, and I figured we could bring that
Speaker 6: segment back with you. Since you are a music person
Speaker 6: and from Atlanta. You have to pick an album between
Speaker 6: each of these artists. You can't say, booth. We'll start
Speaker 6: with Outcasts. Since you have the shirt on Aty Aliens
Speaker 6: or Equemini.
Speaker 1: Equimini, are you answer that quick? Chunky Fire Chunky Fire
Speaker 1: is my favorite Outcast song of all time.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm with you.
Speaker 4: I'd probably still lean on eighty aliens.
Speaker 3: But it is tough.
Speaker 4: You said that with the quickness God damn.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Equimini. Just to me, it's like a
Speaker 1: Noe Skips album. Literally, I will listen to it from
Speaker 1: beginning to end.
Speaker 4: Ludacris back for the first time versus Chicken and Beer.
Speaker 1: Chicken and Beer only because only because there was a
Speaker 1: personal story there. I was working at the time at
Speaker 1: gladyson Ron's Chicken and Waffles. Do you remember that franchise? Okay,
Speaker 1: So I'm working there as a hostess, and they Luda
Speaker 1: had his like album listening party at gladyson Ron's. It
Speaker 1: was the first time I ever met him. I'm cool
Speaker 1: with Luda, like we're homies now, like he's the best
Speaker 1: I love Shaka, but at the time, I just was
Speaker 1: so starstruck and I just remember hearing it for the
Speaker 1: first time while he was playing and watching him like
Speaker 1: rap along while he was having chicken and waffles. So
Speaker 1: I'm going chicken and waffles just for nostalgia.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and he was a radio host too, so I
Speaker 6: see I see the collection back for the first time
Speaker 6: is underrated.
Speaker 4: But I'm going chicken in beer as well. Yeah gz
Speaker 4: TM one on one versus the Recession, ooh, TM one
Speaker 4: on one, Yeah, that's kind of yeah, that's that's that's
Speaker 4: you can't you can't go against it. The recession is
Speaker 4: there though.
Speaker 2: This was a good album, but it was a good album.
Speaker 2: The TM one on one is the is the album.
Speaker 4: This is one of the toughest to me. T I
Speaker 4: Trap Music Verse King.
Speaker 1: Oh Okay. Again, at the time, I was doing Atlanta Radio,
Speaker 1: so we were doing some events with t I at
Speaker 1: the time, and like did his album release party for King.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna go with King, just because of the nostalgia.
Speaker 1: Like I have a horrible memory, and I listened to
Speaker 1: music specifically when I'm in moments to help me remember
Speaker 1: those moments. And I just like I can distinctly remember,
Speaker 1: like so much of my life at that time wrapped
Speaker 1: up with King. So I'm gonna go King.
Speaker 6: Do you have any crazy stories from when you were
Speaker 6: working at the radio station? Oh god, especially around that
Speaker 6: time in Atlanta, was so many Well.
Speaker 1: Okay, So I have a funny Kanye story which.
Speaker 4: Is, Oh my god, the world if you're on Twitter,
Speaker 4: you have.
Speaker 1: One fair fair although what he's doing now isn't exactly funny,
Speaker 1: more so disgusting and deplorable, but you're right, right. So
Speaker 1: we were the last radio station at the time to
Speaker 1: add gold Digger, Okay, the very last one, and I
Speaker 1: don't know why RPD just decided we weren't going to
Speaker 1: add the song, so we ad gold Digger. Of course,
Speaker 1: gold Digger is a huge smash it. Kanye comes on
Speaker 1: our radio show and he has clearly been told or
Speaker 1: knows that we were the last hip hop major hip hop.
Speaker 4: He probably researched himself, of course he did.
Speaker 1: So there's just this like there's just this contentious like
Speaker 1: attitude with everything that we're doing, you know, and the
Speaker 1: man was truly like at the time, I was like, man,
Speaker 1: this man is truly eccentric. Right, Like now I would
Speaker 1: describe him in some other words, but at the time,
Speaker 1: eccentric kept coming to mind. You know, he just would
Speaker 1: He was very add and I can relate. I'm add two.
Speaker 1: But like you could literally be like, Kanye, do you
Speaker 1: want like a coke or anything? And he'd be like, no,
Speaker 1: I don't want to coke, but coke is refreshing. It's
Speaker 1: refreshing like a Fanta, although Fanta commercials are not that
Speaker 1: good because it was just like, what the fuck are
Speaker 1: you talking about?
Speaker 3: So he was the first.
Speaker 1: We just and how they hallucinate the same thing and
Speaker 1: so so, so the interview is over, it's like all
Speaker 1: over the he's being He's like jumping behind, He's just
Speaker 1: being Kanye. And so finally we get to a point
Speaker 1: where we're like, it's time to do the radio drops, right,
Speaker 1: and like, for people that are listening that don't know,
Speaker 1: I know, y'all know, the radio drop is you know, yo,
Speaker 1: you're listening to Rory and Mao on B one o
Speaker 1: three whatever it is. So it's time for him to
Speaker 1: do the drops. And this is where he decides he's
Speaker 1: going to bring up that we were the last. So
Speaker 1: so every drop is like, Yo, what's up? You're listening
Speaker 1: to V one o three? Or he's like, Yo, what's
Speaker 1: up this Kanye West? You listening to V one o three? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess you should listen to them. Even
Speaker 1: though they didn't want to play my stuff, even though
Speaker 1: they didn't want to play gold Digger, even though they
Speaker 1: didn't see it, that's cool, though it's fine. It's whatever.
Speaker 1: You're listening. We're like, all right, can you try it again?
Speaker 2: Kanye n.
Speaker 4: No, it's perfect, Yo, what's up?
Speaker 1: This is Kanye West. I mean you know, you listen
Speaker 1: in the bitch Ass V one.
Speaker 3: OK, Like, oh my god, bro, you listen in the
Speaker 3: bitch Ass V one.
Speaker 1: O three was but to be honest, if you have
Speaker 1: time for one more story, rest in peace to the
Speaker 1: greatest DMX. My favorite radio drop story of all time
Speaker 1: was X because X comes up to our radio station, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, is located right on Peachtree Street in
Speaker 1: Colony Square, which, if you've been to Atlanta, is a
Speaker 1: main thoroughfare. He shows up with every rough rider in
Speaker 1: the southeast. They are blocking traffic, like there's people everywhere.
Speaker 1: It's just it's Madison chaos everywhere. So it comes up
Speaker 1: to the radio station and he's great, and we're you know,
Speaker 1: we're doing our interview or whatever, and it comes time
Speaker 1: for him to do the drops. So my little intern
Speaker 1: comes in and hands him the sheet right with everything
Speaker 1: that he needs to say and his name on it,
Speaker 1: even though he could have figured out the name part right.
Speaker 5: So he goes to start, Yo, what's up? This isn't
Speaker 5: and he stops and he's like, Yo, what the fuck
Speaker 5: is this? And we were like what and he's like,
Speaker 5: what the fuck is this? And he turns a paper
Speaker 5: and he's like, you put fucking little EG.
Speaker 3: I looked like a little X.
Speaker 1: You is a big X. That ain't no fuck, I'm
Speaker 1: not a little X.
Speaker 6: You need to fix it.
Speaker 1: And we were like, can you just can you just
Speaker 1: like say it though, because like, no one's gonna see
Speaker 1: the paper. This is just a reference for you. I
Speaker 1: want you to change it. And he's like, he's pissed
Speaker 1: because we somebody did a typo and they did capital D,
Speaker 1: capital M, lowercase X, and he would not let it slide.
Speaker 3: So we have never lowercase the X. You never lowercase
Speaker 3: the X.
Speaker 1: Ever, Brett. So we had to wait reprint it, and
Speaker 1: then he was like this is better, and then he
Speaker 1: did it great.
Speaker 6: Wait, that's even crazy, because when you were saying it,
Speaker 6: I thought maybe someone confused him with the director little
Speaker 6: X or something.
Speaker 3: It was just a lower case lower case X.
Speaker 7: They were just typing it really quickly, and because he
Speaker 7: asked for it to be like written out and he
Speaker 7: and then they accidentally made a typo and the intern
Speaker 7: was humiliated and embarrassed.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 6: Before before we get to our don'no ball questions, just
Speaker 6: quickly have a few more future fifty six nights Verse Hendrix,
Speaker 6: now Hendrix, same young Thug, Jeffrey or Barter six Jeffrey
Speaker 6: Usher Confessions or eighty seven oh one, Oh Confessions I'm
Speaker 6: Leana eighty seven.
Speaker 2: I I like that you kind of hesitated with that one.
Speaker 2: You thought about eighty seven oh one.
Speaker 3: A little bit, I did.
Speaker 1: I mean, I love eighty seven oh one, but again
Speaker 1: professions radio nostalgia.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, eighty seven on one is still a note
Speaker 6: skip classic to me though, But yes, do we want
Speaker 6: to start or don't know trivia questions?
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, Lle, we have some questions to see how
Speaker 2: much ball we don't know, But we also have some
Speaker 2: questions for you to see how much music even though
Speaker 2: I mean, Lle, she's fucking she's shop all the way around.
Speaker 2: I don't know if we're gonna be able to yeahoth categories.
Speaker 2: This is gonna be pretty bad for us, But we
Speaker 2: have some questions for you. So we're gonna ask you
Speaker 2: a question, you'll answer, and then you'll ask us a
Speaker 2: question about Ball to see exactly how much Rory and Maul.
Speaker 3: Do not know about Ball.
Speaker 2: So the first question l before the stage name he
Speaker 2: has now Anderson Pac released two albums under the alias
Speaker 2: of A Breeze love Joy, b Obe C Brandon Anderson
Speaker 2: or d Oasis.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, I don't know this one, I'll I wouldn't. No,
Speaker 1: I only know him as Anderson?
Speaker 2: Was it?
Speaker 4: Answer is A Breezy love Joy? Wow?
Speaker 1: That actually feels Yeah, that's.
Speaker 4: Not like the name of the next album.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: What's your favorite Anderson back album?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 4: Venice, Okay, I'm with you.
Speaker 3: The great album.
Speaker 4: What'd you think about the Silk Sonic Project? I loved it.
Speaker 1: I actually saw them live in Vegas and I dropped
Speaker 1: several bags to go see it. I was a little
Speaker 1: pissed at first, and then I was pissed when they
Speaker 1: told me to put my phone away, And by the
Speaker 1: end of it, I was like, this was the I've
Speaker 1: just never seen anybody sing and perform their heart out
Speaker 1: like that for two and a hour half straight hours
Speaker 1: like it was. I was into it.
Speaker 6: We can we can cut this if your agent gets upset.
Speaker 6: Who do you think did more cocaine in the studio
Speaker 6: Bruno Mars or Anderson pac during the making of that project.
Speaker 1: Bruno, for sure. I didn't I feel like you.
Speaker 4: Are selling Anders short on his cocaine ability.
Speaker 3: No, I think she knows Bruno's cocaine.
Speaker 2: What does he have high.
Speaker 1: More about Bruno's.
Speaker 2: Yeah she no, No, you could look at Bruno and
Speaker 2: just tell like now he probably just you.
Speaker 4: Know, that project was not for the love of soul music.
Speaker 4: It was for the love of coke.
Speaker 6: That's not the same coke dealer. Yeah, but that's you know,
Speaker 6: music in cocohen and that's their an R. You know
Speaker 6: how that is all right, so you can ask us.
Speaker 1: All right, here's your question. In twenty twenty four, Caitlin
Speaker 1: Clark became the all time leading score in NCAA women's
Speaker 1: basketball history. Whose record did she break? Was it a
Speaker 1: Don Staley, b Kelsey Plumb, Ce, Candice Parker or de
Speaker 1: Maya Moore? This is a sneaky one.
Speaker 4: Uh shit, I'm a work seems too obvious.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go d Maya Moore.
Speaker 6: Okay, I'm gonna steal Mall's answer. I'm gonna go d
Speaker 6: as well. We'll be wrong together.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the answer is actually Kelsey.
Speaker 4: Plumb really never got Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was at Washington and she got a whole
Speaker 1: lot of points.
Speaker 6: Like she was.
Speaker 1: She was up there racking up points. Yep.
Speaker 3: Wow, go Kelsey. I didn't know that as well. Yeah,
Speaker 3: all right.
Speaker 6: Our second question, what Gucci Man feature performed the best
Speaker 6: on the Billboard Hot one hundred. Was it a Party,
Speaker 6: B Steady Movin C, Black Beatles or d wake Up
Speaker 6: in the Sky?
Speaker 1: Oh? I love that song. By the way, whenever people
Speaker 1: ask me what my walk up song would be if
Speaker 1: I was a baseball player, I say that even though
Speaker 1: it's about waking up stoned, I suppose, if you know me,
Speaker 1: is pretty appropriate. Coo. I don't know. I feel like
Speaker 1: it's probably some maybe because Gucci, like Gucci's my guy,
Speaker 1: by the way, I love Gucci, but his music is
Speaker 1: not that mainstream, so I'll say because it was with
Speaker 1: Bruno Mars, maybe wake Up in the Sky.
Speaker 6: No, it was see Black Beatles. Really Yeah, that one
Speaker 6: actually shocked me as well. Did you watch the GZ
Speaker 6: and Gucci Man versus during of.
Speaker 1: Course I did, and again like I love Gez, like
Speaker 1: I dropped a GZ reference at the final four. I
Speaker 1: love Gez, but I am a I'm like a Gucci girl,
Speaker 1: like I like I'm a dog is like one of
Speaker 1: my favorite songs of all time. I'm a treat to
Speaker 1: like a dog. I'm a come on man. And so
Speaker 1: I'm maybe the only person that thought he won.
Speaker 3: Smoke.
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, let's go Gucci, come on man,
Speaker 1: We're definitely one.
Speaker 6: Ignorant New Yorkers. I was watching that, like, why is
Speaker 6: this a matchup? Like why would anyone even think that Gucci?
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 2: I was more so concerned that the security concerns in
Speaker 2: the buildings, like why would they have these two gentlemen
Speaker 2: so close on the stage to each other?
Speaker 3: Like I just didn't think that was a safe thing
Speaker 3: to do.
Speaker 4: But the matchup goes much deeper than music.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was much deep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's some there's some real animals over there. But
Speaker 1: I'm always gonna ride.
Speaker 4: With Do you do you think, in fact, Gucci is
Speaker 4: a clone?
Speaker 1: Is that a rumor that he's a clone?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 6: When he got out of jail, he looked like a
Speaker 6: completely different human being, Like the before and after looked
Speaker 6: like some telemarketer.
Speaker 2: Well that's what happens when you're locked up and you
Speaker 2: have you on the strict diet.
Speaker 4: Of you know you thank you, you got nothing to
Speaker 4: do all you're doing in federal prison.
Speaker 3: No, but when you stop eating all the bullshit, your
Speaker 3: skin kind of you know.
Speaker 2: Jail is where you're start eating healthy, a little little healthier,
Speaker 2: little healthier and jury.
Speaker 1: You're not drinking, you're not smoking, you're not late night snacking.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know these artists are in the studio late,
Speaker 1: they're eating meals at three am. Like all he did
Speaker 1: was work out. I listen. I knew Gucci before and after.
Speaker 1: I remember when you would talk to Gucci and he
Speaker 1: would rub that big fat Santa belly. I believe that
Speaker 1: he's not a clone at all.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: The teeth sometimes I'm like, bro, we need to scale
Speaker 1: that down a little bit, like that is not a
Speaker 1: natural shade of teeth.
Speaker 4: He definitely got the excels for sure, got the mediums.
Speaker 4: It's on you, right, all right.
Speaker 1: My question, which w NBA superstar holds the record with
Speaker 1: two other teammates for the most n c A A
Speaker 1: Championships won by a player. Is it a Sabrinian Escu,
Speaker 1: b Cheryl Miller, cee Asia Wilson or de Brianna Stewart
Speaker 1: what was B again B with Cheryl Miller. I'm going
Speaker 1: to give you a hint. This person literally won four
Speaker 1: national championships in a row. Four.
Speaker 3: It has to be b Stuart.
Speaker 1: No, is that your answer?
Speaker 3: I'm going Brianna Stewart.
Speaker 4: I'm going Brianna too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, got it in your face. Them all was right
Speaker 3: when he said it. So yeah, that was not going
Speaker 3: to be.
Speaker 2: That's that's you, because that sounds like you can even
Speaker 2: though Cheryl, what Cheryl was doing was absolutely just you know,
Speaker 2: that was insane. I saw a clip of her talking
Speaker 2: about when she came home and Reggie had had a
Speaker 2: good game. I think he had like thirty six or
Speaker 2: thirty eight, and so he was kind of hype coming home.
Speaker 2: And that was the day that Cheryl had one hundred
Speaker 2: and something and he was he came in and she was, Yeah,
Speaker 2: she came and came in and he was hyping. Cheryl
Speaker 2: was already home, sitting there and he's like, yo, so
Speaker 2: what's up?
Speaker 3: What did you do today?
Speaker 2: He was like, at that point, I think she had
Speaker 2: a sixty point game, already had a seventy. She was
Speaker 2: throwing out some numbers that I was like, she's casually saying, yeah,
Speaker 2: I had sixty before, I had seventy before.
Speaker 3: And so Reggie was sitting there like, so, what did
Speaker 3: you do today? She was like, you know, one hundred?
Speaker 3: And he was like what did he just see you through?
Speaker 3: A fit?
Speaker 2: Got mad, got upset, told his mom I can't beat her.
Speaker 2: I'm not better than her. I thought that that was
Speaker 2: crazy to see, Like, first of all, the Millers are legendary,
Speaker 2: but you forget about exactly how dominant Cheryl Miller was
Speaker 2: when she played basketball. And obviously Reggie is a legend too,
Speaker 2: but by far, Cheryl Miller is the better.
Speaker 3: Is the better of the siblings?
Speaker 4: No sense?
Speaker 1: She got two titles but not four?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Crazy?
Speaker 6: How many number one singles does Usher have? Is it
Speaker 6: A seven, B nine, C eleven or D.
Speaker 1: Thirteen number one singles? I'll go nine?
Speaker 4: You are correct, right? Answer is B nine?
Speaker 1: Nice?
Speaker 4: One for three?
Speaker 1: User baby? All right?
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 1: So one more? Yep, you got one more? Which this
Speaker 1: is hard? This is I'm gonna, I'm not gonna.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna get this right.
Speaker 1: Which w NBA franchise has the most title appearances? Is
Speaker 1: it A The New York Liberty, B the Los Angeles Sparks.
Speaker 1: See the Minnesota Lynx or d the Phoenix Mercury.
Speaker 4: I'm going b Sparks.
Speaker 3: Nah, it's not the it's not the Sparks. I'm going.
Speaker 4: If it's a Phoenix, I quit.
Speaker 2: I feel like Diana Tarassi been there a lot. I'm
Speaker 2: going Phoenix.
Speaker 1: Okay, let me get your you're both wrong. Let me
Speaker 1: give you a hint. It's a team from the finals
Speaker 1: a season ago. So that that's two of the that's
Speaker 1: A and C on here. It's either the Liberty or
Speaker 1: the Links.
Speaker 4: Well, the Liberty won last year, right, so it's the
Speaker 4: Links then, yeah, the Links.
Speaker 3: Maya Moore? Was that Maya that was getting all the time?
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, yep, yeah, were one to three as well.
Speaker 2: Look, we said we don't know ball, like we told
Speaker 2: you that before you called in, Like, we said, we
Speaker 2: don't know ball.
Speaker 1: So yeah, but I said on New Music and I
Speaker 1: got the same score as you. So there you go.
Speaker 2: That's how we broke even. We broke even, Stevens. It's
Speaker 2: all good. We want to thank you for joining us.
Speaker 2: Good luck with everything that you're doing. We appreciate everything
Speaker 2: you're doing. You Andrea and Shaney, y'all absolutely killing it.
Speaker 2: It's a pleasure watching you ladies, uh you know, talk
Speaker 2: about sports and have fun at the same time.
Speaker 3: And we appreciate you kicking with us today.
Speaker 4: And thank you for the well time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and tell your husband we said peace. Thanks for
Speaker 2: the support and we'll talk.
Speaker 1: You just did. He's gonna listen.
Speaker 3: We appreciate that. L. Thank you. That's L. Duncan for
Speaker 3: Rory and Maul. Don't know ball, no Willian now