WEBVTT - Ep. 167: Mauled by a Grizzly 0:00:08.760 --> 0:00:12.760 But this is the me Eater podcast coming at you shirtless, 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:17.680 severely bog bitten, and in my case, underwear listening podcast. 0:00:18.280 --> 0:00:25.120 You can't predict anything presented by on x Hunt, creators 0:00:25.120 --> 0:00:28.760 of the most comprehensive digital mapping system for hunters. Download 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:31.600 the Hunt app from the iTunes or Google play Store. 0:00:31.960 --> 0:00:37.400 Nor where you stand with on x O Gay our 0:00:37.400 --> 0:00:44.920 guest and Amber Cornack. Right, yeah, Cornack, Um, you got 0:00:44.920 --> 0:00:46.880 mauled by a bear. So there's that. But we're gonna 0:00:46.920 --> 0:00:48.400 talk about a lot of We're gonna talk about a 0:00:48.400 --> 0:00:51.920 lot of stuff first and lace some groundwork. How sick 0:00:51.960 --> 0:00:54.320 are you? Are you sick of being the person like 0:00:54.400 --> 0:00:57.279 the woman that got mauled by a grizzly? You know 0:00:57.840 --> 0:01:00.560 sometimes sometimes I get a little tired of it. Um, 0:01:00.680 --> 0:01:04.120 But I haven't heard people use mall. That's kind of 0:01:04.160 --> 0:01:07.520 not really the word. They use tragedy. They say, oh, 0:01:07.560 --> 0:01:09.679 I heard you were involved in a tragedy. Or they 0:01:09.680 --> 0:01:12.600 don't say I heard you got balled by a grizzly. No, No, 0:01:12.680 --> 0:01:16.759 they tragedy. Yeah, they called tragedy or there's another word 0:01:16.800 --> 0:01:18.920 they use for it. And I don't really call it that. 0:01:19.000 --> 0:01:20.920 I mean, it was just another day, you know, and 0:01:20.959 --> 0:01:25.040 they look at me like they call it a tragedy. Yeah, tragedy, Um, 0:01:25.400 --> 0:01:28.280 you sitting here in an accident. Yeah, but they use 0:01:28.360 --> 0:01:31.679 there's like a tragedy that someone in your family died 0:01:31.800 --> 0:01:34.560 or you got messed up in a way that you'll 0:01:34.600 --> 0:01:38.119 never recover. I know, it's not the right word for it. No, 0:01:38.240 --> 0:01:46.840 you just made your attack up. No horrible mix up. Actually, 0:01:46.920 --> 0:01:49.640 the had there was a workman's completing with me yesterday, 0:01:49.680 --> 0:01:52.920 one of my appointments, and she called it interesting. She goes, oh, yeah, 0:01:52.920 --> 0:01:55.440 I heard you had an interesting encounter. And I said, 0:01:55.560 --> 0:01:57.320 you know, that's a great way to put it. So 0:01:57.400 --> 0:01:59.920 that's the first time I've ever heard put it. Oh, horrific, 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:02.360 that's the word her. They call it horrific. So it's 0:02:02.360 --> 0:02:05.280 anything anything that's you know, might scare people. I mean, 0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:07.800 I'm just saying, I don't know, I don't I think 0:02:07.840 --> 0:02:11.600 that's fair. Horrific. I was in that if that happened 0:02:11.600 --> 0:02:14.440 to me, I would describe it as a horrific encounter. 0:02:14.600 --> 0:02:18.000 You'd have to say, I heard you had what I 0:02:18.040 --> 0:02:21.440 would regard a horrific encounter. But if you just want 0:02:21.440 --> 0:02:23.239 to be straight up, you'd be like I heard you 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:28.560 got mauled by a grizzly, and why yes I did. 0:02:29.760 --> 0:02:32.200 But there's more to me than just that. But you know, 0:02:32.200 --> 0:02:35.440 I know there's a natural tension here because I'm very 0:02:35.480 --> 0:02:40.079 interested in that while recognizing that you're a complex, accomplished 0:02:40.400 --> 0:02:43.120 individual who has many aspects of their lives that go 0:02:43.240 --> 0:02:48.840 beyond a terrible, horrific mix up that you had. So 0:02:49.360 --> 0:02:50.880 we'll get we'll get there. First, I want to talk 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:56.560 about Yanni's chicken business, because Yanni is It has a 0:02:56.600 --> 0:02:59.840 new chicken business. Yeah. You should heard Jennifer last night. 0:02:59.880 --> 0:03:03.240 I there. She realized the demand. She's like, you know, 0:03:03.600 --> 0:03:06.680 we got more room in Chicken Cooper at least another 0:03:06.760 --> 0:03:11.320 half dozen, which, you know whatever, I don't think it's 0:03:11.320 --> 0:03:13.919 going to increase the workload if we added a half 0:03:13.960 --> 0:03:16.800 dozen chickens right now. So you're getting nine they're throwing 0:03:16.880 --> 0:03:20.200 nine eggs a day, yeah, I think sometimes they're throwing 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:22.919 more than some of them will late two in a 0:03:23.000 --> 0:03:27.000 day now, and you and the Patelis crew, Uh, you're 0:03:27.000 --> 0:03:29.080 only good for how many a day? You know? If 0:03:29.120 --> 0:03:32.520 I'm home, I can't say we keep up with that, 0:03:32.600 --> 0:03:35.560 but we can get close between breakfast and some baking. 0:03:35.920 --> 0:03:38.360 You know that goes on. But if I leave for 0:03:38.400 --> 0:03:40.560 a week, then I come home and there's like two 0:03:40.600 --> 0:03:44.160 full buckets of eggs. So, yeah, I just bought twelve. 0:03:45.120 --> 0:03:46.880 How did you decided to sell them by the dozen? 0:03:48.800 --> 0:03:55.240 I'll give you one guess, you know what, split them 0:03:55.240 --> 0:03:59.600 in half at six eggs. I would probably get the 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:03.680 same of money for six as I am, because like 0:04:04.320 --> 0:04:09.760 you sell donuts for traps and eggs by the dozen 0:04:10.760 --> 0:04:14.600 and snares. Those are the only things you can think 0:04:14.640 --> 0:04:19.840 of that come in dozens. Yeah, traps and donuts and 0:04:19.920 --> 0:04:23.640 eggs all great things, baggles as you call them. Yeah, 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:26.880 they'll sell by the dozen, I would say, because Yanni's 0:04:26.880 --> 0:04:29.400 trying to get four bucks four bucks a box, because 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:31.760 he's trying to pay for his organ It's funny everybody 0:04:31.760 --> 0:04:34.960 that we've said four bucks too, They're like, we should 0:04:35.000 --> 0:04:37.839 be paying you five. I was so pleased with the 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:40.400 transaction and so pleased with the quality of the eggs 0:04:40.440 --> 0:04:42.680 I had this morning that I just gave him five 0:04:43.200 --> 0:04:46.680 and paid him down on another dozen. So he's now 0:04:46.720 --> 0:04:49.800 sitting on ten of my dollars ahead. You know I 0:04:49.839 --> 0:04:52.440 had a guy a dollar, listen, I would sell him 0:04:52.440 --> 0:04:57.800 a dollar egg. I cracked like this morning, Jimmy had to, 0:04:58.960 --> 0:05:03.680 I had to. Matthew had one. I've paid five bucks 0:05:03.680 --> 0:05:06.520 for that. Sure. I mean when you have eggs in 0:05:06.560 --> 0:05:13.280 a restaurant, you're probably paying that per egg. Yeah. I 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:15.360 like it. And being in the business where you when 0:05:15.480 --> 0:05:18.040 you're giving me money before you received the item, is 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:20.400 supposed to give you a guy guided once you can 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:22.320 get in trouble like that. It was in fast food, 0:05:23.000 --> 0:05:25.960 and when he was looking at business to get into, 0:05:26.120 --> 0:05:28.839 he was like, that's one of the few places where 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:31.200 people give you the money first and then they wait 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:35.359 to get what they paid for. Yeah, he liked that 0:05:35.400 --> 0:05:37.760 about it. But you might wind up getting underwater because 0:05:37.760 --> 0:05:40.440 you're gonna take a lot of five dollar bills and 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:42.080 then you're gonna go home. They're all gonna be dead 0:05:42.160 --> 0:05:45.120 because you know where this is going. Oh you mean 0:05:45.160 --> 0:05:48.360 if I get hammered by a predator, Yeah, you know 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:50.479 where this his head. We've been good so far. No, 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:57.440 I heard from uh your wife that too mysteriously vanished. Yes, 0:05:57.720 --> 0:05:59.920 but that's they're not the only two. We also lost 0:06:00.160 --> 0:06:03.360 Lame Duck, with it being it was at our house 0:06:03.440 --> 0:06:05.800 less than a week and we lost it. We've also well, 0:06:05.920 --> 0:06:08.760 we started with like I don't know how many bantams. 0:06:08.760 --> 0:06:10.600 We had over a dozen bantams, which are just like 0:06:10.680 --> 0:06:13.440 a small version of a chicken, because they were free 0:06:13.880 --> 0:06:16.920 already laying, so we took them on much more skittish. 0:06:16.920 --> 0:06:18.839 I like the big ones much better because they're like pets. 0:06:18.880 --> 0:06:20.479 You can pick them up and hang out with them. 0:06:20.480 --> 0:06:23.720 The bantams like they're they're paying the butt. There's a 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:26.240 wild men of chickens, for sure, and they lay a 0:06:26.279 --> 0:06:29.640 teeny tiny egg, so eating like three to four, you know, 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:33.520 every time we eat. But anyway, any who, um, where's 0:06:33.520 --> 0:06:37.040 that going with that? Every time we've had a weak 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:42.159 or getting old chicken or duck, they are gone within 0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:45.080 days of showing that weakness. And we have not yet 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:48.880 figured out to who. We've never lost a healthy one, 0:06:50.120 --> 0:06:52.680 No tracks or anything. No tracks. That's why we think 0:06:52.720 --> 0:06:57.479 it's that's why we think it needs to bring up 0:06:57.520 --> 0:07:01.479 a definitely amber go up there and tell you what's 0:07:01.480 --> 0:07:06.200 going on. You should look around. You work on mortality projects, right, 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:07.960 I do go out and look at something dead and 0:07:08.000 --> 0:07:10.080 try to figure out what killed it. Yeah, there's I 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:13.960 actually love doing that. There's nothing even actually we had 0:07:13.960 --> 0:07:16.880 a rabbit. Some lady brought him one of her rabbits 0:07:16.960 --> 0:07:18.560 and she didn't know what had happened to it end 0:07:18.640 --> 0:07:21.160 up dying, and we definitely we need cross seated and 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:23.440 had bruising, and you could definitely see it looked like 0:07:23.480 --> 0:07:25.920 a doghead just by the sign and where it had 0:07:26.160 --> 0:07:28.280 bit it just grabbed it and shook it to death 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:30.200 and then just let it go because he doesn't have 0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:33.640 the carcasses though, you don't have anything, no feathers or nothing. 0:07:33.920 --> 0:07:36.280 Every now and then Jennifer will describe it as a 0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:40.080 as a puff of feathers. That's why we think it's 0:07:40.080 --> 0:07:42.840 a bird. Because there's times we have big fir trees 0:07:42.880 --> 0:07:46.920 that are near everything around our property, and uh, there's 0:07:46.960 --> 0:07:49.640 times when there's a golden eagle that's you know, three 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:52.240 ft tall, sitting on the fir tree that's right over 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:55.840 the chicken coope. It's not your dogs, right, don't have dogs. 0:07:55.920 --> 0:08:00.280 Oh you guys don't have any dogs? Okay? All right? Uh? 0:08:00.560 --> 0:08:05.280 Oh quick, thing I have Okay, I got one more 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:07.680 thing than well. I want to make sure we come 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:09.560 back to it. I want to know what goes into 0:08:09.760 --> 0:08:14.800 a knee cropsy. Something as simple as a necropsy your knee, 0:08:14.800 --> 0:08:17.400 I need cropsy. I've been told that alright a lot, 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:21.920 But just as something as simple as cotton tail rabbit. 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:24.760 I'd like to know what goes into that. So I 0:08:24.800 --> 0:08:26.160 don't know if we want to cover that now or 0:08:26.240 --> 0:08:30.520 come back to it. A cotton tail knee cropsy? Yeah, um, 0:08:30.640 --> 0:08:34.719 or a bear. You know we'll touch on that first. No, 0:08:35.080 --> 0:08:38.040 we'll get to it. Can you remember? I'll make a note. 0:08:38.080 --> 0:08:40.320 I gotta I got The thing I want to touch 0:08:40.360 --> 0:08:46.400 on is this is uh, I have a my fish 0:08:46.400 --> 0:08:50.640 shooting bow. I have an Aneida osprey, which is a 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:54.040 souped up fish shooting bow that I don't want and 0:08:54.080 --> 0:08:58.400 I don't use because I use my recurve for shooting fish. Um, 0:08:58.520 --> 0:09:00.880 it's only been shot a few times. They're spensive bows. 0:09:00.960 --> 0:09:04.240 It's left handed, is the catch. If you want this bow, 0:09:04.440 --> 0:09:07.880 all you gotta do is right in and make the 0:09:07.920 --> 0:09:10.880 subject line. Go on to our website, find the contact thing. 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:16.040 Make the subject line, uh, um, fish shooting bow. So 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:17.440 we know what we're looking at. So let's say fish 0:09:17.440 --> 0:09:20.719 shooting bow and then you say, if you give me 0:09:20.800 --> 0:09:24.560 this bow, I will donate X dollars to the Theodore 0:09:24.640 --> 0:09:27.640 Roosevelt Conservation Partnership. We're gonna just do a quick scan. 0:09:27.800 --> 0:09:30.560 Not paying a whole lot of attention. Seems like the 0:09:30.600 --> 0:09:33.600 highest person. I'll send you the damn bow, and then 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:35.800 on the honor system, you gotta make sure you send 0:09:35.840 --> 0:09:38.719 them the money. I was gonna ask about that. We're 0:09:38.720 --> 0:09:41.200 gonna do it on a system, on our system. I 0:09:41.240 --> 0:09:44.600 haven't sent me like them. We'll figure it out. So 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:47.800 left handed Oneida, I'll send a send a screenshot of 0:09:47.880 --> 0:09:51.199 your payment, or left handed Oneida osprey fish shooting bow 0:09:51.280 --> 0:09:53.720 barely been shot and it's got those sweet rubber thumb grips. 0:09:53.760 --> 0:09:57.880 You don't have to walk around the thing. Um okay, 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:00.880 your first amber, your f brush with fame was that 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:04.640 he made it into big Buck magazine. Now that magazine. 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:09.640 That magazine just comes right out and says right outdoor life. 0:10:09.640 --> 0:10:11.520 You're like, that could mean a lot of things. Feel 0:10:11.559 --> 0:10:13.200 the stream, that could mean a lot of things. Big 0:10:13.240 --> 0:10:21.320 Buck magazine. That's it's not a big Buck, but yeah, 0:10:21.400 --> 0:10:23.760 you made it into big Buck magazine. When you're sixteen 0:10:24.000 --> 0:10:26.920 years old. It identifies you as being from my home 0:10:26.960 --> 0:10:31.000 state of Michigan. Yes, not where you know though apparently 0:10:31.320 --> 0:10:33.880 I don't know. We don't all travel in Michigan, at 0:10:33.920 --> 0:10:36.719 least in my neck of woods is north south. You 0:10:36.800 --> 0:10:40.319 don't yer just stay in the same line of longitude 0:10:40.760 --> 0:10:44.360 and you just you stick to your longitude. Would you 0:10:44.400 --> 0:10:50.199 grow up North Thumb area? Yeah, he's over in Calamazoo. 0:10:50.720 --> 0:10:54.600 Oh yeah, you're from Michigan to Central Michigan or whatever 0:10:54.640 --> 0:10:58.760 you call it. So you killed a big old bear 0:10:58.800 --> 0:11:01.439 when you were young. It was a decent size bear. 0:11:01.640 --> 0:11:06.559 Grew up I did. We're kind of hunting as were 0:11:06.559 --> 0:11:09.920 you generalists or were you guys like specialists. No, we 0:11:10.000 --> 0:11:13.079 kind of did everything mostly white tail in Michigan, and 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:16.920 we just happened to come upon the outfitters for doing 0:11:16.960 --> 0:11:19.360 black bear stuff. But yeah, we mostly did white tail, 0:11:19.440 --> 0:11:20.640 and I didn't do it. You know. I did as 0:11:20.720 --> 0:11:22.280 much as I could with going to school and I 0:11:22.280 --> 0:11:25.559 worked and everything, but bow and gun and we had 0:11:25.600 --> 0:11:28.320 tree stands and have quite a few acres and everything. 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:30.400 So we just it was just enjoyable just to kind 0:11:30.400 --> 0:11:33.920 of sit out there and I shot a h My 0:11:34.000 --> 0:11:38.320 first one was a fawn button button buck. My dad 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:40.320 had shot the dough and I was like, I can't 0:11:40.400 --> 0:11:42.960 leave the button, but wiped out the whole fan. Well, yeah, 0:11:43.200 --> 0:11:45.720 I felt really bad afterwards. I was like, oh man, 0:11:45.720 --> 0:11:47.760 you probably would have made it, but I was. I 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:49.760 was so young, you know, so it was good just 0:11:49.800 --> 0:11:52.080 to get something under my belt and everything. So you 0:11:52.080 --> 0:11:55.120 grow up fishing, Yeah, we did some fishing. We actually 0:11:55.120 --> 0:11:56.600 had a pond. We had a huge pond, and so 0:11:56.679 --> 0:12:00.920 we always bass fished in our pond and large mouth bad. Yeah, 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:02.480 that was a lot of cooked those up or let 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:05.040 them go. No, we just let them go. Let me 0:12:05.160 --> 0:12:07.640 come back and catch them again. So you made it 0:12:07.679 --> 0:12:10.320 a lot of fun. Um. At what point in your 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:11.920 life did you realize that you were going to be 0:12:12.120 --> 0:12:14.160 Uh did you grow up being like, I'm gonna be 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:16.760 a wild life biologist? I did not, So you know, 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:18.800 I listened a lot of your guys podcasts and talk 0:12:18.840 --> 0:12:20.719 to other people and stuff, and they're like, oh, yeah, 0:12:20.720 --> 0:12:22.440 I knew when I was a kid and super young, 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:25.000 And you think I would have known because I started 0:12:25.200 --> 0:12:27.240 my first job. I worked at a greenhouse and I 0:12:27.240 --> 0:12:30.920 absolutely loved it and had it until I graduated, just 0:12:31.080 --> 0:12:33.960 just miss it was local. I worked at a local greenhouse, 0:12:34.600 --> 0:12:39.360 moving those damn flats everywhere, moving them outside, moving them inside, 0:12:39.440 --> 0:12:42.959 moving flats. I got it working, you know, playing stuff 0:12:43.280 --> 0:12:46.200 quick story about that. I think I might heads takes. 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:48.840 I might told the story. I've never heard of greenhouse 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:51.000 story that I can remember. You know what I killed 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:54.800 here is a bird? Oh yeah. Birds act like when 0:12:54.840 --> 0:12:56.240 you get close to them, they try to lure you 0:12:56.280 --> 0:12:58.000 away from their nest back like they got a broken 0:12:58.000 --> 0:13:02.160 wing and just sly ship right a bird. We're out 0:13:02.200 --> 0:13:05.600 moving flat beach out of the beach. But this is 0:13:05.640 --> 0:13:07.280 like we used to put all the flats when it 0:13:07.360 --> 0:13:10.000 was time to move the flats outside, and you'd be 0:13:10.040 --> 0:13:12.760 moving out in, out in, and we moved them all 0:13:12.760 --> 0:13:14.680 out there, all outside. We had to move them all inside, 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:19.040 and in one of them a killed deer made a nest. 0:13:20.640 --> 0:13:23.200 And there's thousands of flats out in this field. You 0:13:23.200 --> 0:13:25.040 could will find this. You can find this place on 0:13:25.080 --> 0:13:29.440 Google Earth. And we're picking up the flats and realized 0:13:29.440 --> 0:13:31.360 that there's a bird nest in one of the flats, 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:34.040 the flat of like what do you call them, it's 0:13:34.040 --> 0:13:35.960 like a flatfold of the little pockets where the plants 0:13:35.960 --> 0:13:39.400 grow up, and we leave it out there. So we 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:43.120 pick up whatever flats and leave the one flat with 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:47.480 a bird nest sitting there, and I report to the owner, Mike, 0:13:48.800 --> 0:13:52.000 I say, we left that one because I killed here 0:13:52.080 --> 0:13:56.280 later nesting it, so we want to disturb it. I 0:13:56.280 --> 0:14:00.559 remember he got mad and walked out that thing out, 0:14:00.640 --> 0:14:04.920 carried it inside. Did it have eggs in it? I'll 0:14:04.960 --> 0:14:13.160 tell you. Yeah, he's just like a hard man flat anyhow, 0:14:13.600 --> 0:14:16.280 So you were interested, you had you had what E. O. 0:14:16.400 --> 0:14:23.640 Wilson calls biophelia. Probably I don't actually like an innate 0:14:23.680 --> 0:14:27.880 desire to like biophilia, right, love you, but in an 0:14:27.920 --> 0:14:32.760 innate desire to connect with other life forms. Yeah, No, 0:14:32.960 --> 0:14:35.880 I definitely thought I would have known back then, But 0:14:35.960 --> 0:14:38.120 I just I had no idea what I wanted to do. 0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:39.920 And I mean growing up, and I don't know if 0:14:39.960 --> 0:14:41.720 you experienced the same thing where I was at. It 0:14:41.720 --> 0:14:44.160 was it was agg so there was a lot of eggs, 0:14:44.200 --> 0:14:46.960 and I knew there was game wardens or conservation officers, 0:14:47.000 --> 0:14:50.520 but I had no idea about wildlife biologists and things. 0:14:50.600 --> 0:14:52.920 You know, you learned biology kind of the general sense, 0:14:52.920 --> 0:14:56.160 but we didn't have extra classes or anything similar to 0:14:56.200 --> 0:14:57.720 that to kind of give me an idea of what 0:14:57.760 --> 0:15:00.760 I would want to do. Um, I just kind of 0:15:00.920 --> 0:15:02.360 went with it, and I was like, well, I'm gonna 0:15:02.400 --> 0:15:04.280 go and be a teacher and we'll just kind of 0:15:04.320 --> 0:15:06.600 go with that and see. And then ended up not 0:15:06.680 --> 0:15:09.360 being a teacher and got my associates and accounting and 0:15:09.400 --> 0:15:14.120 then finally I realized I wanted to be. Yeah, so 0:15:14.160 --> 0:15:16.800 I ended up in Montana from Michigan because that's where 0:15:16.800 --> 0:15:18.800 I wanted to go to school. I initially wanted to 0:15:18.800 --> 0:15:20.920 go to Alaska, but my dad told me no because 0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:23.960 my mom told him no because that far away. Well, 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:25.720 if I was moving to Alaska, dad was going to 0:15:25.800 --> 0:15:28.520 move there too. So there's a lot to hunt up there, 0:15:28.960 --> 0:15:31.040 and so you could have just done that deal. Like 0:15:31.080 --> 0:15:33.160 my brother lives there, so your dad could have hunted 0:15:33.200 --> 0:15:34.720 with you for everything. I feel like we got a 0:15:34.720 --> 0:15:36.200 backtack just a little bit, because I want to know 0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:38.920 if you had siblings, because I'm interested about how I 0:15:38.960 --> 0:15:44.360 know where going with this. I did not. That's why 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:46.800 your dad hunted with you. What does that move to me? 0:15:48.120 --> 0:15:52.480 Because I was the only one that's true? Man? He well, yeah, 0:15:52.480 --> 0:15:55.640 I don't I can't remember the numbers, but yeah, basically 0:15:56.160 --> 0:15:59.440 like that, if females are to get into hunting via 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:03.120 their dad, it's usually because they don't have a brother, 0:16:03.680 --> 0:16:08.440 firstborn or no brother. Oh man, that's what we were 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:12.640 That's what we were told by someone who spent a 0:16:12.680 --> 0:16:17.000 lot of time with hunter demographics. Yeah, Dad's like, well, 0:16:17.000 --> 0:16:18.880 I gotta take her because I don't have any other choice. 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:23.320 Old timey dad's I don't don't. I don't put it 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:26.080 that way when I take out my girls hunting. But 0:16:26.200 --> 0:16:30.560 it's like I got to it's a reality hunting, buddy. Yes, 0:16:30.600 --> 0:16:34.600 it's a reality of how people historically, it's how a 0:16:34.720 --> 0:16:39.400 segment of the American population has historically treated who goes hunting. 0:16:39.760 --> 0:16:43.240 You're exactly right. I just think that you're misrepresenting the 0:16:43.360 --> 0:16:45.960 thoughts that are in the dad's head when he chooses 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:49.080 to take his daughter hunting. I'm putting a fine point 0:16:49.120 --> 0:16:53.000 on something. I don't think that that's her father's I'm 0:16:53.000 --> 0:16:55.560 not say anything bad about your dad, but you understand 0:16:55.600 --> 0:16:58.880 what I'm saying. I'll back it up. Like in my family, 0:16:59.080 --> 0:17:03.800 all men, all of the men to some extent, participated 0:17:03.840 --> 0:17:10.720 in hunting and fishing, virtually none of the women. Really, Okay, 0:17:10.760 --> 0:17:14.920 it's just a thing. It sucks. It sucks. It's there 0:17:14.920 --> 0:17:23.159 are myriad reasons, many of them unjustified. You can't untangle 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:28.359 it all, but it's just a reality. Of the people 0:17:28.480 --> 0:17:32.119 that buy a hunting license in this country are male, 0:17:33.080 --> 0:17:36.119 but less than fifty of the people that live in 0:17:36.160 --> 0:17:41.399 this country are male. So there, that's crazy. It's crazy 0:17:41.440 --> 0:17:44.040 to think about, especially and that's still now, Like those 0:17:44.080 --> 0:17:49.040 are accurate now, right, those are current numbers. So I 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:52.480 don't know. I don't think it's I don't think it's good. 0:17:53.240 --> 0:17:56.359 Just as far as what your father's motivations, I'm just 0:17:56.400 --> 0:17:59.280 teasing you. A guy that looks at demographics was telling 0:17:59.320 --> 0:18:01.359 us he's like an and he's like and when a 0:18:01.400 --> 0:18:04.280 woman does hunt, um, it's often that she has no 0:18:04.640 --> 0:18:12.840 male siblings. So you moved out to study accounting, Well, 0:18:12.920 --> 0:18:16.200 I moved out to Montana initially to do teaching, just 0:18:16.240 --> 0:18:19.119 because I didn't know, not knowing what I wanted to do. 0:18:19.200 --> 0:18:20.919 I thought maybe being a teacher and if I want 0:18:20.960 --> 0:18:23.639 to go back to school, I could take summer classes. 0:18:24.400 --> 0:18:26.880 But then I really didn't want to do that, and 0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:29.840 I actually and I started off at Carroll College in Helena, 0:18:30.119 --> 0:18:32.200 and I ended up dropping out my last semester. I 0:18:32.320 --> 0:18:34.600 just I don't think I was ready to go to college. 0:18:34.600 --> 0:18:37.240 It just had no idea what I was doing and 0:18:37.560 --> 0:18:39.800 moved back home while my parents were in Wolf Creek 0:18:39.880 --> 0:18:42.000 at the time, So they had moved and got the 0:18:42.040 --> 0:18:44.280 place in Wolf Creek, and so I moved back home 0:18:44.280 --> 0:18:47.560 with them Montana, and then I had just ended up 0:18:47.560 --> 0:18:50.840 going to the community college in Helena, and I went 0:18:50.880 --> 0:18:53.840 for accounting because well, there's tons of jobs and it 0:18:53.920 --> 0:18:55.720 makes good money. So if I didn't know what I 0:18:55.760 --> 0:18:59.280 wanted to do, and eventually figure it out, and I 0:18:59.320 --> 0:19:03.960 spent four years doing that. And we're totally cynical. You 0:19:04.000 --> 0:19:07.119 were totally sent You weren't like a romantic yet, No, no, no, 0:19:07.200 --> 0:19:08.840 I mean I loved hunting in the outdoors, but like 0:19:08.880 --> 0:19:11.080 I said, I didn't really know what existed actually until 0:19:11.119 --> 0:19:13.720 we moved to Montana and started talking to people about 0:19:13.800 --> 0:19:16.400 for service and we learned about the BLM. And because there, 0:19:16.440 --> 0:19:19.200 you know, there's not a ton of public land in Michigan, 0:19:19.280 --> 0:19:21.639 and so we're always hunting. There's a lot, but not 0:19:21.640 --> 0:19:23.520 where you're at right now. It's a lot of private 0:19:23.560 --> 0:19:26.840 We've always over by Area North it's shiploads. Oh yeah, 0:19:26.840 --> 0:19:29.200 there's time. I never stepped foot on public land until 0:19:29.200 --> 0:19:31.680 I moved out West. Yeah, it's a meat and it's amazing, 0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:33.600 and it's so much to learn too, because, like I said, 0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:36.119 BLM and the ranches and everything that you go on. 0:19:36.200 --> 0:19:38.800 So just learning about all that and learning about you know, 0:19:38.840 --> 0:19:42.159 the game wardens and that there is wildlife biology and 0:19:42.200 --> 0:19:44.240 like I said, it took me about four years. But 0:19:44.480 --> 0:19:48.160 I also got rid of some negative influences and people 0:19:48.200 --> 0:19:50.119 who had been in the field but we're like, no, 0:19:50.200 --> 0:19:51.520 you don't want to do that because you don't make 0:19:51.520 --> 0:19:53.480 a ton of money and this and this and that, 0:19:53.480 --> 0:19:54.720 and I was like, well, what if this is something 0:19:54.760 --> 0:19:57.359 I really really wanted to do? And then I don't know, 0:19:57.400 --> 0:19:59.840 I just flipped a switch and started looking at schools 0:19:59.840 --> 0:20:01.760 and found Oregon State and that's where I ended up 0:20:01.800 --> 0:20:06.639 getting my wildlife degree. So excellent, Yeah, full on, you 0:20:06.720 --> 0:20:08.880 got a bachelor's degree, I did. Yeah, have you worked 0:20:08.880 --> 0:20:11.679 on a master's yet? Uh no, I'm working on it. 0:20:11.720 --> 0:20:13.919 My grades and my g r E scores are a 0:20:13.920 --> 0:20:16.320 little lower than what they're like because I I focus 0:20:16.400 --> 0:20:19.359 hardcore on getting work and getting a job and getting 0:20:19.359 --> 0:20:22.040 anton a field experience. And I studied as hard as 0:20:22.040 --> 0:20:24.399 I could, but I just didn't I don't quite make 0:20:24.440 --> 0:20:26.800 the cut for a g p A, so working on it. 0:20:27.080 --> 0:20:28.200 What do you mean that you can't go to grad 0:20:28.240 --> 0:20:30.320 school because you're g p A. Yeah, because it's low, 0:20:30.760 --> 0:20:36.280 it's a little lower than what they want. Really yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:20:36.440 --> 0:20:39.679 no it's a big bummer. Um yeah, because I was 0:20:39.760 --> 0:20:43.600 so like these No, no, no, they were better than that. 0:20:43.800 --> 0:20:47.159 Just competitive field. It is super competitive. So you know, 0:20:47.200 --> 0:20:49.800 they mostly want people with three point or higher higher, 0:20:49.840 --> 0:20:52.280 and some people are even three point five or higher, 0:20:52.560 --> 0:20:55.399 and it's sweet out and because it's so competitive and 0:20:55.400 --> 0:21:00.240 the Gerrys are hard, I mean, it's taking the miserable man. Yeah, 0:21:00.240 --> 0:21:03.640 I took years. They said, well, how long ago did 0:21:03.640 --> 0:21:05.520 you take? Because they changed and they changed all the 0:21:05.600 --> 0:21:07.840 scores and everything how they score them. I took the 0:21:07.880 --> 0:21:14.560 g R S and uh okay, yeah, so now they 0:21:14.600 --> 0:21:17.959 do a short smaller or smaller not a smaller scoring, 0:21:17.960 --> 0:21:19.480 but just kind of like they changed the S A 0:21:19.560 --> 0:21:22.919 T s over from the four hundreds to the whatever 0:21:22.960 --> 0:21:24.760 it is, a three or whatever, and now they've kind 0:21:24.760 --> 0:21:27.280 of changed them over it too. So I've taken it twice, 0:21:27.640 --> 0:21:31.880 painting the butt every time. Well we'll circle back around 0:21:31.920 --> 0:21:35.359 to that. Uh, that's horrible. Though that's I mean, it 0:21:35.480 --> 0:21:38.080 is what it is. Um. So then what what what 0:21:38.119 --> 0:21:39.679 was your first paid gig when you come out of 0:21:39.680 --> 0:21:42.480 school for biology? Well, I actually had a paid gig 0:21:42.560 --> 0:21:44.479 in school. So when I started. When I was at 0:21:44.480 --> 0:21:47.840 Oregon State, I was just networking like crazy, and there 0:21:48.119 --> 0:21:51.399