1 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: But this is the me Eater podcast coming at you shirtless, 2 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: severely bog bitten, and in my case, underwear listening podcast. 3 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 1: You can't predict anything presented by on x Hunt, creators 4 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: of the most comprehensive digital mapping system for hunters. Download 5 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: the Hunt app from the iTunes or Google play Store. 6 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: Nor where you stand with on x O Gay our 7 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 1: guest and Amber Cornack. Right, yeah, Cornack, Um, you got 8 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:46,880 Speaker 1: mauled by a bear. So there's that. But we're gonna 9 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 1: talk about a lot of We're gonna talk about a 10 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 1: lot of stuff first and lace some groundwork. How sick 11 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 1: are you? Are you sick of being the person like 12 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:57,279 Speaker 1: the woman that got mauled by a grizzly? You know 13 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: sometimes sometimes I get a little tired of it. Um, 14 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: But I haven't heard people use mall. That's kind of 15 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: not really the word. They use tragedy. They say, oh, 16 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 1: I heard you were involved in a tragedy. Or they 17 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: don't say I heard you got balled by a grizzly. No, No, 18 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:16,759 Speaker 1: they tragedy. Yeah, they called tragedy or there's another word 19 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: they use for it. And I don't really call it that. 20 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: I mean, it was just another day, you know, and 21 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:25,040 Speaker 1: they look at me like they call it a tragedy. Yeah, tragedy, Um, 22 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: you sitting here in an accident. Yeah, but they use 23 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 1: there's like a tragedy that someone in your family died 24 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 1: or you got messed up in a way that you'll 25 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:38,119 Speaker 1: never recover. I know, it's not the right word for it. No, 26 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: you just made your attack up. No horrible mix up. Actually, 27 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 1: the had there was a workman's completing with me yesterday, 28 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 1: one of my appointments, and she called it interesting. She goes, oh, yeah, 29 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: I heard you had an interesting encounter. And I said, 30 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: you know, that's a great way to put it. So 31 00:01:57,400 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 1: that's the first time I've ever heard put it. Oh, horrific, 32 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: that's the word her. They call it horrific. So it's 33 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 1: anything anything that's you know, might scare people. I mean, 34 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, I don't know, I don't I think 35 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: that's fair. Horrific. I was in that if that happened 36 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 1: to me, I would describe it as a horrific encounter. 37 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: You'd have to say, I heard you had what I 38 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: would regard a horrific encounter. But if you just want 39 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:23,239 Speaker 1: to be straight up, you'd be like I heard you 40 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: got mauled by a grizzly, and why yes I did. 41 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: But there's more to me than just that. But you know, 42 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: I know there's a natural tension here because I'm very 43 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:40,079 Speaker 1: interested in that while recognizing that you're a complex, accomplished 44 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 1: individual who has many aspects of their lives that go 45 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 1: beyond a terrible, horrific mix up that you had. So 46 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: we'll get we'll get there. First, I want to talk 47 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: about Yanni's chicken business, because Yanni is It has a 48 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 1: new chicken business. Yeah. You should heard Jennifer last night. 49 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 1: I there. She realized the demand. She's like, you know, 50 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 1: we got more room in Chicken Cooper at least another 51 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: half dozen, which, you know whatever, I don't think it's 52 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:13,919 Speaker 1: going to increase the workload if we added a half 53 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 1: dozen chickens right now. So you're getting nine they're throwing 54 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: nine eggs a day, yeah, I think sometimes they're throwing 55 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 1: more than some of them will late two in a 56 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: day now, and you and the Patelis crew, Uh, you're 57 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 1: only good for how many a day? You know? If 58 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 1: I'm home, I can't say we keep up with that, 59 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: but we can get close between breakfast and some baking. 60 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: You know that goes on. But if I leave for 61 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: a week, then I come home and there's like two 62 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 1: full buckets of eggs. So, yeah, I just bought twelve. 63 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: How did you decided to sell them by the dozen? 64 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: I'll give you one guess, you know what, split them 65 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: in half at six eggs. I would probably get the 66 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: same of money for six as I am, because like 67 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: you sell donuts for traps and eggs by the dozen 68 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: and snares. Those are the only things you can think 69 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:19,840 Speaker 1: of that come in dozens. Yeah, traps and donuts and 70 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: eggs all great things, baggles as you call them. Yeah, 71 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 1: they'll sell by the dozen, I would say, because Yanni's 72 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: trying to get four bucks four bucks a box, because 73 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: he's trying to pay for his organ It's funny everybody 74 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: that we've said four bucks too, They're like, we should 75 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,839 Speaker 1: be paying you five. I was so pleased with the 76 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: transaction and so pleased with the quality of the eggs 77 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: I had this morning that I just gave him five 78 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 1: and paid him down on another dozen. So he's now 79 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 1: sitting on ten of my dollars ahead. You know I 80 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: had a guy a dollar, listen, I would sell him 81 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 1: a dollar egg. I cracked like this morning, Jimmy had to, 82 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: I had to. Matthew had one. I've paid five bucks 83 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: for that. Sure. I mean when you have eggs in 84 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:13,280 Speaker 1: a restaurant, you're probably paying that per egg. Yeah. I 85 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 1: like it. And being in the business where you when 86 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 1: you're giving me money before you received the item, is 87 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: supposed to give you a guy guided once you can 88 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: get in trouble like that. It was in fast food, 89 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 1: and when he was looking at business to get into, 90 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 1: he was like, that's one of the few places where 91 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 1: people give you the money first and then they wait 92 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:35,359 Speaker 1: to get what they paid for. Yeah, he liked that 93 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: about it. But you might wind up getting underwater because 94 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: you're gonna take a lot of five dollar bills and 95 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: then you're gonna go home. They're all gonna be dead 96 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: because you know where this is going. Oh you mean 97 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 1: if I get hammered by a predator, Yeah, you know 98 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:50,479 Speaker 1: where this his head. We've been good so far. No, 99 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: I heard from uh your wife that too mysteriously vanished. Yes, 100 00:05:57,720 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 1: but that's they're not the only two. We also lost 101 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 1: Lame Duck, with it being it was at our house 102 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 1: less than a week and we lost it. We've also well, 103 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: we started with like I don't know how many bantams. 104 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 1: We had over a dozen bantams, which are just like 105 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: a small version of a chicken, because they were free 106 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 1: already laying, so we took them on much more skittish. 107 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:18,839 Speaker 1: I like the big ones much better because they're like pets. 108 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:20,479 Speaker 1: You can pick them up and hang out with them. 109 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:23,720 Speaker 1: The bantams like they're they're paying the butt. There's a 110 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: wild men of chickens, for sure, and they lay a 111 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: teeny tiny egg, so eating like three to four, you know, 112 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: every time we eat. But anyway, any who, um, where's 113 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 1: that going with that? Every time we've had a weak 114 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 1: or getting old chicken or duck, they are gone within 115 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: days of showing that weakness. And we have not yet 116 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 1: figured out to who. We've never lost a healthy one, 117 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 1: No tracks or anything. No tracks. That's why we think 118 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:57,479 Speaker 1: it's that's why we think it needs to bring up 119 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:01,479 Speaker 1: a definitely amber go up there and tell you what's 120 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: going on. You should look around. You work on mortality projects, right, 121 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: I do go out and look at something dead and 122 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: try to figure out what killed it. Yeah, there's I 123 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: actually love doing that. There's nothing even actually we had 124 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: a rabbit. Some lady brought him one of her rabbits 125 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: and she didn't know what had happened to it end 126 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 1: up dying, and we definitely we need cross seated and 127 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: had bruising, and you could definitely see it looked like 128 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: a doghead just by the sign and where it had 129 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: bit it just grabbed it and shook it to death 130 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: and then just let it go because he doesn't have 131 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: the carcasses though, you don't have anything, no feathers or nothing. 132 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: Every now and then Jennifer will describe it as a 133 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: as a puff of feathers. That's why we think it's 134 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: a bird. Because there's times we have big fir trees 135 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: that are near everything around our property, and uh, there's 136 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: times when there's a golden eagle that's you know, three 137 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 1: ft tall, sitting on the fir tree that's right over 138 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: the chicken coope. It's not your dogs, right, don't have dogs. 139 00:07:55,920 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 1: Oh you guys don't have any dogs? Okay? All right? Uh? 140 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: Oh quick, thing I have Okay, I got one more 141 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: thing than well. I want to make sure we come 142 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 1: back to it. I want to know what goes into 143 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: a knee cropsy. Something as simple as a necropsy your knee, 144 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 1: I need cropsy. I've been told that alright a lot, 145 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: But just as something as simple as cotton tail rabbit. 146 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: I'd like to know what goes into that. So I 147 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: don't know if we want to cover that now or 148 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: come back to it. A cotton tail knee cropsy? Yeah, um, 149 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:34,719 Speaker 1: or a bear. You know we'll touch on that first. No, 150 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: we'll get to it. Can you remember? I'll make a note. 151 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 1: I gotta I got The thing I want to touch 152 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: on is this is uh, I have a my fish 153 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: shooting bow. I have an Aneida osprey, which is a 154 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 1: souped up fish shooting bow that I don't want and 155 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: I don't use because I use my recurve for shooting fish. Um, 156 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: it's only been shot a few times. They're spensive bows. 157 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 1: It's left handed, is the catch. If you want this bow, 158 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: all you gotta do is right in and make the 159 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: subject line. Go on to our website, find the contact thing. 160 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 1: Make the subject line, uh, um, fish shooting bow. So 161 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 1: we know what we're looking at. So let's say fish 162 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:20,719 Speaker 1: shooting bow and then you say, if you give me 163 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 1: this bow, I will donate X dollars to the Theodore 164 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: Roosevelt Conservation Partnership. We're gonna just do a quick scan. 165 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 1: Not paying a whole lot of attention. Seems like the 166 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 1: highest person. I'll send you the damn bow, and then 167 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: on the honor system, you gotta make sure you send 168 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,719 Speaker 1: them the money. I was gonna ask about that. We're 169 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 1: gonna do it on a system, on our system. I 170 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: haven't sent me like them. We'll figure it out. So 171 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: left handed Oneida, I'll send a send a screenshot of 172 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:51,199 Speaker 1: your payment, or left handed Oneida osprey fish shooting bow 173 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 1: barely been shot and it's got those sweet rubber thumb grips. 174 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: You don't have to walk around the thing. Um okay, 175 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 1: your first amber, your f brush with fame was that 176 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: he made it into big Buck magazine. Now that magazine. 177 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: That magazine just comes right out and says right outdoor life. 178 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: You're like, that could mean a lot of things. Feel 179 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 1: the stream, that could mean a lot of things. Big 180 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 1: Buck magazine. That's it's not a big Buck, but yeah, 181 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 1: you made it into big Buck magazine. When you're sixteen 182 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 1: years old. It identifies you as being from my home 183 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: state of Michigan. Yes, not where you know though apparently 184 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: I don't know. We don't all travel in Michigan, at 185 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:36,719 Speaker 1: least in my neck of woods is north south. You 186 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:40,319 Speaker 1: don't yer just stay in the same line of longitude 187 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 1: and you just you stick to your longitude. Would you 188 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:50,199 Speaker 1: grow up North Thumb area? Yeah, he's over in Calamazoo. 189 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you're from Michigan to Central Michigan or whatever 190 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: you call it. So you killed a big old bear 191 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:01,439 Speaker 1: when you were young. It was a decent size bear. 192 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:06,559 Speaker 1: Grew up I did. We're kind of hunting as were 193 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: you generalists or were you guys like specialists. No, we 194 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:13,079 Speaker 1: kind of did everything mostly white tail in Michigan, and 195 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: we just happened to come upon the outfitters for doing 196 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: black bear stuff. But yeah, we mostly did white tail, 197 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: and I didn't do it. You know. I did as 198 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 1: much as I could with going to school and I 199 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:25,559 Speaker 1: worked and everything, but bow and gun and we had 200 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 1: tree stands and have quite a few acres and everything. 201 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 1: So we just it was just enjoyable just to kind 202 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: of sit out there and I shot a h My 203 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 1: first one was a fawn button button buck. My dad 204 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 1: had shot the dough and I was like, I can't 205 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 1: leave the button, but wiped out the whole fan. Well, yeah, 206 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 1: I felt really bad afterwards. I was like, oh man, 207 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 1: you probably would have made it, but I was. I 208 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 1: was so young, you know, so it was good just 209 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 1: to get something under my belt and everything. So you 210 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 1: grow up fishing, Yeah, we did some fishing. We actually 211 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: had a pond. We had a huge pond, and so 212 00:11:56,679 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: we always bass fished in our pond and large mouth bad. Yeah, 213 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 1: that was a lot of cooked those up or let 214 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: them go. No, we just let them go. Let me 215 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: come back and catch them again. So you made it 216 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 1: a lot of fun. Um. At what point in your 217 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: life did you realize that you were going to be 218 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 1: Uh did you grow up being like, I'm gonna be 219 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 1: a wild life biologist? I did not, So you know, 220 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: I listened a lot of your guys podcasts and talk 221 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:20,719 Speaker 1: to other people and stuff, and they're like, oh, yeah, 222 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 1: I knew when I was a kid and super young, 223 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: And you think I would have known because I started 224 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 1: my first job. I worked at a greenhouse and I 225 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: absolutely loved it and had it until I graduated, just 226 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 1: just miss it was local. I worked at a local greenhouse, 227 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 1: moving those damn flats everywhere, moving them outside, moving them inside, 228 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:42,959 Speaker 1: moving flats. I got it working, you know, playing stuff 229 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 1: quick story about that. I think I might heads takes. 230 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 1: I might told the story. I've never heard of greenhouse 231 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 1: story that I can remember. You know what I killed 232 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 1: here is a bird? Oh yeah. Birds act like when 233 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 1: you get close to them, they try to lure you 234 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: away from their nest back like they got a broken 235 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: wing and just sly ship right a bird. We're out 236 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 1: moving flat beach out of the beach. But this is 237 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 1: like we used to put all the flats when it 238 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 1: was time to move the flats outside, and you'd be 239 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 1: moving out in, out in, and we moved them all 240 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:14,680 Speaker 1: out there, all outside. We had to move them all inside, 241 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: and in one of them a killed deer made a nest. 242 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 1: And there's thousands of flats out in this field. You 243 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: could will find this. You can find this place on 244 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 1: Google Earth. And we're picking up the flats and realized 245 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 1: that there's a bird nest in one of the flats, 246 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: the flat of like what do you call them, it's 247 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 1: like a flatfold of the little pockets where the plants 248 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 1: grow up, and we leave it out there. So we 249 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: pick up whatever flats and leave the one flat with 250 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 1: a bird nest sitting there, and I report to the owner, Mike, 251 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 1: I say, we left that one because I killed here 252 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: later nesting it, so we want to disturb it. I 253 00:13:56,280 --> 00:14:00,559 Speaker 1: remember he got mad and walked out that thing out, 254 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 1: carried it inside. Did it have eggs in it? I'll 255 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 1: tell you. Yeah, he's just like a hard man flat anyhow, 256 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 1: So you were interested, you had you had what E. O. 257 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: Wilson calls biophelia. Probably I don't actually like an innate 258 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 1: desire to like biophilia, right, love you, but in an 259 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: innate desire to connect with other life forms. Yeah, No, 260 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: I definitely thought I would have known back then, But 261 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: I just I had no idea what I wanted to do. 262 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: And I mean growing up, and I don't know if 263 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: you experienced the same thing where I was at. It 264 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: was it was agg so there was a lot of eggs, 265 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 1: and I knew there was game wardens or conservation officers, 266 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: but I had no idea about wildlife biologists and things. 267 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 1: You know, you learned biology kind of the general sense, 268 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 1: but we didn't have extra classes or anything similar to 269 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 1: that to kind of give me an idea of what 270 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: I would want to do. Um, I just kind of 271 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: went with it, and I was like, well, I'm gonna 272 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 1: go and be a teacher and we'll just kind of 273 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 1: go with that and see. And then ended up not 274 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 1: being a teacher and got my associates and accounting and 275 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: then finally I realized I wanted to be. Yeah, so 276 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 1: I ended up in Montana from Michigan because that's where 277 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 1: I wanted to go to school. I initially wanted to 278 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 1: go to Alaska, but my dad told me no because 279 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: my mom told him no because that far away. Well, 280 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 1: if I was moving to Alaska, dad was going to 281 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 1: move there too. So there's a lot to hunt up there, 282 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: and so you could have just done that deal. Like 283 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 1: my brother lives there, so your dad could have hunted 284 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: with you for everything. I feel like we got a 285 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 1: backtack just a little bit, because I want to know 286 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 1: if you had siblings, because I'm interested about how I 287 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 1: know where going with this. I did not. That's why 288 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: your dad hunted with you. What does that move to me? 289 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: Because I was the only one that's true? Man? He well, yeah, 290 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: I don't I can't remember the numbers, but yeah, basically 291 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 1: like that, if females are to get into hunting via 292 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 1: their dad, it's usually because they don't have a brother, 293 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 1: firstborn or no brother. Oh man, that's what we were 294 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 1: That's what we were told by someone who spent a 295 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 1: lot of time with hunter demographics. Yeah, Dad's like, well, 296 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 1: I gotta take her because I don't have any other choice. 297 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: Old timey dad's I don't don't. I don't put it 298 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: that way when I take out my girls hunting. But 299 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 1: it's like I got to it's a reality hunting, buddy. Yes, 300 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 1: it's a reality of how people historically, it's how a 301 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: segment of the American population has historically treated who goes hunting. 302 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 1: You're exactly right. I just think that you're misrepresenting the 303 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: thoughts that are in the dad's head when he chooses 304 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 1: to take his daughter hunting. I'm putting a fine point 305 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 1: on something. I don't think that that's her father's I'm 306 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: not say anything bad about your dad, but you understand 307 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I'll back it up. Like in my family, 308 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 1: all men, all of the men to some extent, participated 309 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: in hunting and fishing, virtually none of the women. Really, Okay, 310 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:14,920 Speaker 1: it's just a thing. It sucks. It sucks. It's there 311 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:23,159 Speaker 1: are myriad reasons, many of them unjustified. You can't untangle 312 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 1: it all, but it's just a reality. Of the people 313 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 1: that buy a hunting license in this country are male, 314 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 1: but less than fifty of the people that live in 315 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:41,399 Speaker 1: this country are male. So there, that's crazy. It's crazy 316 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 1: to think about, especially and that's still now, Like those 317 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 1: are accurate now, right, those are current numbers. So I 318 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 1: don't know. I don't think it's I don't think it's good. 319 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 1: Just as far as what your father's motivations, I'm just 320 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 1: teasing you. A guy that looks at demographics was telling 321 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 1: us he's like an and he's like and when a 322 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 1: woman does hunt, um, it's often that she has no 323 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 1: male siblings. So you moved out to study accounting, Well, 324 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:16,200 Speaker 1: I moved out to Montana initially to do teaching, just 325 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:19,119 Speaker 1: because I didn't know, not knowing what I wanted to do. 326 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:20,919 Speaker 1: I thought maybe being a teacher and if I want 327 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:23,639 Speaker 1: to go back to school, I could take summer classes. 328 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:26,880 Speaker 1: But then I really didn't want to do that, and 329 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: I actually and I started off at Carroll College in Helena, 330 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 1: and I ended up dropping out my last semester. I 331 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 1: just I don't think I was ready to go to college. 332 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 1: It just had no idea what I was doing and 333 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 1: moved back home while my parents were in Wolf Creek 334 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: at the time, So they had moved and got the 335 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 1: place in Wolf Creek, and so I moved back home 336 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: with them Montana, and then I had just ended up 337 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 1: going to the community college in Helena, and I went 338 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 1: for accounting because well, there's tons of jobs and it 339 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 1: makes good money. So if I didn't know what I 340 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 1: wanted to do, and eventually figure it out, and I 341 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 1: spent four years doing that. And we're totally cynical. You 342 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:07,119 Speaker 1: were totally sent You weren't like a romantic yet, No, no, no, 343 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: I mean I loved hunting in the outdoors, but like 344 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 1: I said, I didn't really know what existed actually until 345 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 1: we moved to Montana and started talking to people about 346 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:16,400 Speaker 1: for service and we learned about the BLM. And because there, 347 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 1: you know, there's not a ton of public land in Michigan, 348 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:21,639 Speaker 1: and so we're always hunting. There's a lot, but not 349 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 1: where you're at right now. It's a lot of private 350 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: We've always over by Area North it's shiploads. Oh yeah, 351 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 1: there's time. I never stepped foot on public land until 352 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:31,680 Speaker 1: I moved out West. Yeah, it's a meat and it's amazing, 353 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 1: and it's so much to learn too, because, like I said, 354 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 1: BLM and the ranches and everything that you go on. 355 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: So just learning about all that and learning about you know, 356 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:42,159 Speaker 1: the game wardens and that there is wildlife biology and 357 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 1: like I said, it took me about four years. But 358 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:48,160 Speaker 1: I also got rid of some negative influences and people 359 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 1: who had been in the field but we're like, no, 360 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 1: you don't want to do that because you don't make 361 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 1: a ton of money and this and this and that, 362 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 1: and I was like, well, what if this is something 363 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 1: I really really wanted to do? And then I don't know, 364 00:19:57,400 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: I just flipped a switch and started looking at schools 365 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: and found Oregon State and that's where I ended up 366 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 1: getting my wildlife degree. So excellent, Yeah, full on, you 367 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:08,880 Speaker 1: got a bachelor's degree, I did. Yeah, have you worked 368 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,679 Speaker 1: on a master's yet? Uh no, I'm working on it. 369 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:13,919 Speaker 1: My grades and my g r E scores are a 370 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 1: little lower than what they're like because I I focus 371 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:19,359 Speaker 1: hardcore on getting work and getting a job and getting 372 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: anton a field experience. And I studied as hard as 373 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:24,399 Speaker 1: I could, but I just didn't I don't quite make 374 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 1: the cut for a g p A, so working on it. 375 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:28,200 Speaker 1: What do you mean that you can't go to grad 376 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 1: school because you're g p A. Yeah, because it's low, 377 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 1: it's a little lower than what they want. Really yeah, yeah, yeah, 378 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:39,679 Speaker 1: no it's a big bummer. Um yeah, because I was 379 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: so like these No, no, no, they were better than that. 380 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:47,159 Speaker 1: Just competitive field. It is super competitive. So you know, 381 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: they mostly want people with three point or higher higher, 382 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: and some people are even three point five or higher, 383 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:55,399 Speaker 1: and it's sweet out and because it's so competitive and 384 00:20:55,400 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 1: the Gerrys are hard, I mean, it's taking the miserable man. Yeah, 385 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:03,640 Speaker 1: I took years. They said, well, how long ago did 386 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 1: you take? Because they changed and they changed all the 387 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 1: scores and everything how they score them. I took the 388 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 1: g R S and uh okay, yeah, so now they 389 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,959 Speaker 1: do a short smaller or smaller not a smaller scoring, 390 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 1: but just kind of like they changed the S A 391 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,919 Speaker 1: T s over from the four hundreds to the whatever 392 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 1: it is, a three or whatever, and now they've kind 393 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: of changed them over it too. So I've taken it twice, 394 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:31,880 Speaker 1: painting the butt every time. Well we'll circle back around 395 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 1: to that. Uh, that's horrible. Though that's I mean, it 396 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 1: is what it is. Um. So then what what what 397 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:39,679 Speaker 1: was your first paid gig when you come out of 398 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 1: school for biology? Well, I actually had a paid gig 399 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:44,479 Speaker 1: in school. So when I started. When I was at 400 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 1: Oregon State, I was just networking like crazy, and there 401 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:51,399 Speaker 1: was a lady there who was doing some Marble Merlette 402 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: stuff and she just needs somebody to do data entry 403 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 1: and so it was completely volunteer and so I just 404 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,400 Speaker 1: did it. And from that I there was a job 405 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 1: with Handcock Forest Management internship during the summer, and she 406 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 1: um forwarded my name. She knew the biologists there, and 407 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 1: everything turned to my resume and they hired me right away. 408 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 1: So that was a paid position. So that was my 409 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 1: first paid position. We were doing Pine Martin stuff, which 410 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 1: was pretty good. Yeah, it was Super Bowl and I 411 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 1: was on the coast of Oregon, which is awesome because 412 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:22,719 Speaker 1: there are a ton of black bears out there, and 413 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 1: so even though I was looking for Martin's, I kept 414 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,640 Speaker 1: running into black bears and kept getting picked black bear 415 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 1: pictures and just these huge bears, and I kept saying, 416 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:33,360 Speaker 1: is there any chance we're going to do any black 417 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 1: bear and work over here? Just because it was so awesome. 418 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:38,959 Speaker 1: Black bears were coming in on the coast and they 419 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:42,360 Speaker 1: would just tear up everything. You know, you had you 420 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:44,239 Speaker 1: had you given up your bear hunting ways by then? 421 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: Are you still a black bear hunter? No? I you know, 422 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 1: I do like hunting black bears. It's not I don't. 423 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 1: It's not like deer out though I don't want to 424 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 1: do it all the time. I'd love to take one 425 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 1: with my bow. I haven't taken one. Um, but yeah, 426 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 1: it would be really nice to take I mean in 427 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,439 Speaker 1: Oregon bear, especially a coastal bear, because there, you know, 428 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 1: and they're just it's the it's so hard to haunt them, 429 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,159 Speaker 1: so it just makes it such a good challenge here 430 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 1: you were just running into him though, Yeah, and they 431 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 1: would be they would tear down. So we were putting 432 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: a cat food in a just like a on a 433 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 1: tree and kind of a makeshift little fencing to get 434 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 1: the pine martin hair. Yeah, and then we had those 435 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:24,639 Speaker 1: um kind of thin but stuff to catch hair, um 436 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 1: gun brushes and stuff nailed onto the tree to catch hair. 437 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 1: And so they would go there. I've seen that. We 438 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 1: be explain it real quick, what do you mean hair trap? Oh? 439 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 1: So well, this everyone's a little different, so I know 440 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 1: they do. They do sticky ones. They can do those 441 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 1: two for like tracks, we didn't have those. He was 442 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:44,199 Speaker 1: setting up a gun brush one. Oh yeah, he was 443 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,719 Speaker 1: trying to catch because he after fish or links. I 444 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 1: think it was links. You have your links hair. And 445 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 1: he's setting up a rig meat Okay, he had a 446 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 1: beaver wired it to the tree, just a skinned out 447 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 1: carcass wired at two tree upon a ridge to up 448 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 1: and then he then he screwed in all the screwed 449 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 1: in all the gun brushes, like the brass gun brushes 450 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,639 Speaker 1: around it, so that any criter that went up and 451 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 1: started wrestling with that frozen carcass was gonna certainly like 452 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,679 Speaker 1: a dog hair brush, leave a bunch of hair on 453 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 1: the gun brushes and he had to get it up 454 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 1: out of the snow. You know. Oh cool, And mine 455 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 1: wasn't ask cool? Is that? But that's kind of that's 456 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,119 Speaker 1: the same thing. We had one on each that you 457 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 1: were using cat food. Well yeah, I feel like we 458 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,119 Speaker 1: could have used something else, but the bears loved it, 459 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:34,639 Speaker 1: so it was great. But they would also tear down 460 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,159 Speaker 1: my camera. So we'd set up a camera, you know, 461 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,439 Speaker 1: just a tree away or so in a good spot, 462 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 1: and then we have those gun brushes, one on each 463 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 1: side and then one on the top, and then the 464 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 1: I guess it was just some fencing that we put 465 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 1: together in a poke holes in the calf food so 466 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 1: they could smell it. And the pine martins like that 467 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,239 Speaker 1: they do. That's what they had. Um. I think they 468 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 1: used that. So it was on a study somebody was 469 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 1: doing with the Oregon State and she did some work 470 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,640 Speaker 1: I believe in California, and that's what they were able 471 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 1: to do. But I just was I mean, I was 472 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,400 Speaker 1: getting bear after bear after bear coming into that caffood. 473 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 1: Were you guys? Are there fishers in there? Were you 474 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 1: getting fish? Your hair? No? I didn't get Like I said, 475 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 1: all I ever got was bear hair. And my partner 476 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 1: is the only bycatch was bear hair. Porcupine? Not a porcupine? 477 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,959 Speaker 1: Why was I thinking porcupine? Um? Why can't I think 478 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 1: of it? Fine squirrel? No? What is it with the 479 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 1: long They're cute when they're a little, but they have 480 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 1: the long nose? Why possum? I was I thinking, Yeah, 481 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:35,160 Speaker 1: they have possums up there. It was really weird. And 482 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: we got one. Yeah, he was so weird because I 483 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 1: was like, what is that? Is that a Martin? It's 484 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 1: got to be a Martin, and just by the size, 485 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,640 Speaker 1: and then it's nose and my buddy's like, no, that's 486 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:49,919 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. You take a possum fur and 487 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 1: you get just the fur where his head's not involved, 488 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 1: his feet aren't involved, his tail is not involved. Beautiful 489 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 1: for really, you wouldn't believe it. The tail ruins it 490 00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 1: for people. Just a possum fur is gorgeous. What do 491 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 1: you do do you sell it? It's yeah, they're not valuable. 492 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 1: Look their leathers too thin. Okay, only like a really 493 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:13,479 Speaker 1: good I'll just talk with this with Seth earlier. If 494 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 1: you can flesh a possum, you can flesh anything. Really 495 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,880 Speaker 1: very hard to not tear the hide on a possum. 496 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 1: You definitely don't want to eat them, all right. People 497 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,920 Speaker 1: do a lot of possums because trapping fox possums by 498 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: a lot of a possum by catch. But you didn't 499 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: do anything with them or you just it's just hard 500 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:31,920 Speaker 1: to flesh. You can sell them in the green, but 501 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: then you sell them in the green, they're like a 502 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:37,120 Speaker 1: dollar okay, because the all the work is fleshing them, right. 503 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 1: But so you worked on that project, what else did 504 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 1: you work on? And then I went in I worked 505 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:47,400 Speaker 1: at a hatcherty for with Oregon Department of Life. Yeah. Yeah, 506 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 1: it was just a fun little intern internships three months. 507 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 1: You know, it was fun. I don't know what they 508 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 1: it's not. But when you pull out the eggs, I 509 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 1: can't remember what. Yeah, when you just like pull out 510 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 1: the you're like holding this huge fish and you're just 511 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,919 Speaker 1: squeezing these eggs out, I'm like, this is insane. You 512 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 1: can feel them all and they're stelling. So that was 513 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 1: pretty cool. And then I worked for Oregon Apartment of 514 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 1: Fish and Wildlife. Again, I didn't another internship, but ended 515 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 1: up with a job working on blacktail deer and that 516 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 1: was a lot of fun. We darted them or we 517 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 1: set up clover traps and clover traps. It's like a 518 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 1: big walk in trap and it's crazy, but they do 519 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,120 Speaker 1: they wandering on. You just put a little bait pile 520 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,639 Speaker 1: in there and it's it's there's a string hooked to 521 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 1: the door. So it's got a door that goes up 522 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 1: and they when they cross, the string goes across on 523 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 1: the bottom and when they cross like one of their 524 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,160 Speaker 1: legs crossed, the door drops down. They call it clover 525 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 1: because it's clover shape. You're baiting with clover. No, we're 526 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,679 Speaker 1: not bating with clover. I actually don't know where the 527 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 1: name came from. I never really asked that the trap 528 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 1: is in shape like a cloth. No, it's just this big, 529 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 1: and elk are bigger. They have bigger ones. But yeah, 530 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 1: it's like the probably the size of this table, and 531 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 1: then just kind of tall enough so deer can walk in. 532 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 1: And then obviously elk are a little more bigger, and 533 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 1: you're getting them in there with what corn? Yeah, we 534 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 1: put down some corn. Yeah. Um. The hair trap and 535 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 1: catching hair, did you did you wind up doing more 536 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:10,919 Speaker 1: of the hair because you had hair work when you 537 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,119 Speaker 1: had your mix up, you were doing grizzly bear hair. Yeah, 538 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 1: but that, aside from the pine Martin and the grizzly 539 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 1: bear stuff, is about the only thing I've done with hair. 540 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,119 Speaker 1: I mean, we collect hair off of bears that I 541 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: captured and um, Florida. But yeah, other than that, I 542 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 1: haven't really done a ton of hair stare stuff. So 543 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 1: being a wildlife biologist is tough, tough because it's like 544 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,480 Speaker 1: all these like temporary jobs, right it is, And they 545 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,920 Speaker 1: don't pay a ton of money, No, they don't. Um 546 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 1: sometimes you get lucky, like Oregon to actually pay super 547 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 1: well and if you can get in and network, and 548 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 1: they're really great and they've got they're doing a ton 549 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 1: of research. I actually just talked to my one of 550 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 1: my old bosses there and he's got seven research projects 551 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 1: going on, a couple of different elk projects, black Tail, 552 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 1: white Tail, he's got a bear project, Fisher and he 553 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 1: might have said Martin or something. I mean, he's just 554 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 1: got so much going on. So there's a lot. There 555 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 1: are a lot of jobs, but they're super competitive, and 556 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 1: like you said, they don't pay as well. And some 557 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 1: places don't even offer housing. So when I work for 558 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 1: le Fishing Game, they don't really offer housing because they 559 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 1: don't really have a lot of housing. But then they 560 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 1: end up you know, in the area, and they pay 561 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 1: a little more and I get to be a senior 562 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,959 Speaker 1: wildlife technician just because they don't, you know, offer housing. 563 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 1: So I mean, some some places balance out. If you 564 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 1: imagine all things this is gonna sound weird. I can't 565 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 1: say all things being equal, is it harder? Is it 566 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 1: still harder to make it in that field as a woman, 567 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 1: that is, to make it in that field as a man. 568 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 1: Or is it or is it it has evened out 569 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 1: because it's so many government agencies. I say it's I 570 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 1: say it's about even out. I I mean a lot 571 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 1: of the a lot of my supervisors have been females. Um, 572 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 1: but I've also worked for a lot of males. And 573 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 1: in the department, especially in my office now it's fifty fifty, 574 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 1: Like there's a lot of males, there's a lot of females. 575 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 1: And um, I feel because of my work and everything 576 00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 1: that I have a lot of experience, and so they 577 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 1: tend a I mean they base it off of experience. 578 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 1: So I've never had an issue where it was like, 579 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 1: like you feel like it's like in that field was 580 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 1: like a meritocracy there. Yeah. Yeah, And then, um, it's 581 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 1: not like a bro culture. I definitely think in some 582 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,480 Speaker 1: areas that there there can be you know, there's still 583 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 1: that old time I guess bro culture if you want 584 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 1: to say, But yeah, I still think it's it's around, 585 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 1: and I think it's probably something we're always going to 586 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 1: have to deal with and and work work with. And 587 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 1: I mean some people are just setting their ways and 588 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 1: that's okay, you know, And honestly it's just that's fine. 589 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: I'll take a challenge, you know. That's a good attitude 590 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 1: to have. How many years had you been doing field work? 591 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 1: So four and a half now, which is crazy, okay, 592 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 1: and all of it like no full time salary stuff, 593 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 1: it's just piecemeal. Yeah, it's all been don't see. The 594 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 1: hatchery was three months and that's the lowest one I've had. 595 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 1: Other than that, they've been five six and then Idaho 596 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 1: Fishing Game as many eight months. So who how did 597 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 1: it come to be? Like, like, layout who you're working for? 598 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 1: What you were doing when he got attacked? So I 599 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 1: was working for US Fish and Wildlife Service and University 600 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 1: of Montana, so the cooperation between the two and I 601 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 1: was working in Libby, Montana. What was the job? The 602 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 1: job was a grizzly so grizzly bear hair snare DNA technicians. 603 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 1: That's kind of a long title. But so you see 604 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 1: this job come up, where like how do you even 605 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 1: become aware of the job? Well, I have been trying 606 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 1: really hard, Like bears are my my goal and that's 607 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 1: kind of my what I really want to do. And 608 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 1: what I want to work with and somebody actually, so 609 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 1: I knew somebody. He came to volunteer with us with 610 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 1: Idaho Fishing Game and he happened to hear through the 611 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 1: grapevine that there was going to be a job because 612 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 1: he worked, so he had worked up in northern Idaho, 613 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 1: and so he knew somebody who kind of knew somebody. 614 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 1: He did a little bit of volunteering with my boss 615 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 1: from US Facial modelfe Service, and so I met him 616 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,719 Speaker 1: doing some capture work and he's like, oh, yeah, by 617 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 1: the way, they're going to be posting a job, and 618 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 1: just kind of gave me a heads up, and I 619 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 1: believe Yeah. He gave me Wayne Wayne's number, and I 620 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:17,959 Speaker 1: just contacted Wayne and was like, Hey, I heard you 621 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 1: guys are gonna have some openings. Would love to, you know, 622 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 1: talk with you some more. And he sent me over 623 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 1: the the list and what they were gonna have was 624 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 1: trapping technician and then DNA hair snarre assistant and so 625 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 1: he sent me those over and I trapping would be 626 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:37,400 Speaker 1: like barrel trapping bears, uh, but hairson are not hair serious, 627 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 1: but foothold that's what they use. Yeah, So I applied 628 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:42,840 Speaker 1: for both of those and did an interview and they 629 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 1: actually didn't, so you know, Texas saying to him a 630 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 1: lot of things and wind up on text. I don't 631 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 1: know if he has. It's a huge job board, and 632 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 1: if it goes on there, I mean it just goes insane. 633 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 1: And they actually don't poste they don't post anything on there, 634 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 1: so everything they kind of send to the university. So 635 00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 1: you have m M s U and I think you 636 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 1: have ise. We're little send um the job descriptions and 637 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 1: everything and so yeah, so I was super fortunate and 638 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 1: just really wanted to be in there and then I 639 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 1: got an interview and yeah, they told me the job. 640 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 1: So how long did you have? How long will you 641 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 1: work in the job before you got attacked? Three days? 642 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 1: Are you serious? I know you did you go? Did 643 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 1: you go into it? Try it? I'll get to that later. 644 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 1: So you get the job and what okay, what's day 645 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 1: one look like? So day one we get to kind 646 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 1: of everybody is there. So it's the trapping technicians. It's 647 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 1: there's three three biologists and then there's three trapping technicians, 648 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 1: and then there's three hairs near and so we're all 649 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 1: there and we're just doing safety, UM going over all 650 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 1: the just kind of rules, protocols, things that need to 651 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 1: get done. We didn't chainsaw safety and so that was 652 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 1: that was three days of doing that. So the first 653 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 1: day kind of everybody was just getting in, we're getting 654 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,520 Speaker 1: to know each other, and then the next two days 655 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 1: we're just trainings. And like our last day, the three 656 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 1: of us DNA hair snare text we went out and 657 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,279 Speaker 1: we just set up one just to kind of see 658 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 1: if we had any questions or if there was anything 659 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:15,600 Speaker 1: that we need to So we set up a corral 660 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:17,960 Speaker 1: and then set up a couple of hair When you 661 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:19,920 Speaker 1: check some hair snares that were already out and where 662 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 1: do you guys baiting grizzlies with? Um? They so the 663 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:27,239 Speaker 1: trappers bait them with road deer so anything, and then 664 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,120 Speaker 1: they kind of like mix them up. And that's what 665 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 1: are you know when we do a corral in this center, 666 00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:35,840 Speaker 1: is we put a lure and so it's basically blood 667 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,000 Speaker 1: and from road killing animals that they've had mixed up 668 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,759 Speaker 1: and everything and then a little road kill meat too. Yeah, yeah, 669 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 1: just like little chunks of it. And are you pretty 670 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,399 Speaker 1: precise about where you like? Are you when you place 671 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,760 Speaker 1: the hair snare. Are you trying to place it really good, 672 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,920 Speaker 1: like a really good spot or do you play some 673 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,520 Speaker 1: like semi randomly? Um the so the corrals are fairly 674 00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,400 Speaker 1: random that Actually the hair snares most of them were 675 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,239 Speaker 1: already set out, so they've been i mean, have been 676 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,960 Speaker 1: doing this project for you're coming in on a free 677 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,360 Speaker 1: existing project. Yeah, so there's already stuff out there, but 678 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,000 Speaker 1: definitely I was looking for So if there was a new, 679 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 1: fresh tree that had a ton of hair on it, 680 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,120 Speaker 1: I would definitely keep an eye out for new um 681 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 1: areas to maybe move the hair snare. If nothing's acted acting, 682 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,160 Speaker 1: scratch and tree yourself, yeah, because it's just barbed wire 683 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,239 Speaker 1: that you cut. And so if I found something new 684 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,239 Speaker 1: that was looking better than the older one, I could 685 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,680 Speaker 1: move it. And um yeah some of the tree, I 686 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,920 Speaker 1: mean they were just this time, they were super tiny. 687 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:32,680 Speaker 1: Just the diameter was so small and there were just yeah, 688 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:34,800 Speaker 1: they would be so tiny, but you could just see 689 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:36,520 Speaker 1: where the hair was and it would just be you 690 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,839 Speaker 1: would just wrap barbed wire around it and yeah, there 691 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:41,319 Speaker 1: would be some hair there and I'm like, how does 692 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,239 Speaker 1: it How do they not break it? You know? But 693 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,120 Speaker 1: they're just kind of rubbing on it find rub trees 694 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:47,920 Speaker 1: that are grizzly, like to rub on that we're an 695 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,080 Speaker 1: inch grizzlies a black bears too. There's black bears out there, 696 00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 1: so we collect a lot of black bear hair too, 697 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,239 Speaker 1: because I mean you can't, yeah, you can't sort it out. Yeah. Yeah, 698 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,839 Speaker 1: when you were training up, did they training? Uh? Did 699 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:03,000 Speaker 1: you shoot some training ends of bear spray? We did once, Yeah, 700 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:04,719 Speaker 1: and I have had I've done him before, so I've 701 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:06,320 Speaker 1: gone a lot of them that, you know, the be 702 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,719 Speaker 1: bear ware stuff and kind of shot the cans out 703 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:10,520 Speaker 1: there and they definitely gave I was like, you guys 704 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,960 Speaker 1: are giving us spray, right, and they said, yeah, oh yeah, 705 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,800 Speaker 1: give you. Because one of my brothers used to work 706 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,719 Speaker 1: for the State of Alaska through the university system, and 707 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:25,960 Speaker 1: their protocol was pump shotguns with slugs. That was like 708 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,400 Speaker 1: what you were supposed to have with you. And he 709 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:32,200 Speaker 1: traveled everywhere, this is a while ago. Everywhere he went 710 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,239 Speaker 1: he carried amp. He carried a pump shotgun. Bear at 711 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,480 Speaker 1: all I had like a twenty four inch barrel with slugs, 712 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,000 Speaker 1: and you carried a pump that's like in Alaska with 713 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 1: that community, that was what you did then when he 714 00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:48,120 Speaker 1: switched to US Fish and Wildlife Service. It's optional, Oh, 715 00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:53,400 Speaker 1: any of it. Spray, shotgun, pistol really yeah, taster's choice, 716 00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:57,279 Speaker 1: but you have to have one. It's not optional to 717 00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:01,040 Speaker 1: have any. You gotta have one. Okay, Okay, that my understanding. Okay, 718 00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,680 Speaker 1: you know, I take that back. I think that that's true, 719 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:04,920 Speaker 1: but I don't want I don't want to say that 720 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,799 Speaker 1: that's true. Right, But um, I know he started using more, 721 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,840 Speaker 1: carrying spray more. Yeah, even though it's a hassle of 722 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,719 Speaker 1: flying and stuff sprays the hassle. Oh they carried it, well, 723 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,040 Speaker 1: I guess they're flying into You got to put it 724 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,680 Speaker 1: an ammel can and strapped to the struts on helicopters, 725 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:20,440 Speaker 1: you know, because no one wants to have one of 726 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,000 Speaker 1: those things ripped loose in a cockpit. Yeah. No, I 727 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:28,279 Speaker 1: wouldn't be idea. Um, So you guys never talked about 728 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,439 Speaker 1: carrying shotguns or anything. No, we didn't. And I don't 729 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,680 Speaker 1: even know if carrying a gun. I may have asked 730 00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,200 Speaker 1: the question, just I mean, I don't really carry a handgun. 731 00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:40,080 Speaker 1: So we've always kind of carried bear spray, and that's 732 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:44,359 Speaker 1: a standard protocol mandatory carry spray for them. Yes, it's 733 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,600 Speaker 1: like in the role you were doing, it's mandatory spray. Yeah. Personally, 734 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,440 Speaker 1: where did you carry it? Where did you keep it? 735 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:51,200 Speaker 1: I actually had it on my chest, on my like 736 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,240 Speaker 1: on my left and right and right where that buckle meets, 737 00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,279 Speaker 1: you know, on your left side. You just hang it 738 00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,799 Speaker 1: off your backpack buckle. Yeah, yeah, I just have it 739 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,000 Speaker 1: right there, so it's kind of right right near me. 740 00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:02,520 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's the right place. I mean, 741 00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,000 Speaker 1: every place is different. I think it's a smart place. 742 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:09,120 Speaker 1: I mean, uh, you know, talking to you, you know better, 743 00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,680 Speaker 1: But in my mind, what could be better? Put on 744 00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,680 Speaker 1: your chest? Well, you guys heard about the most recent 745 00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,880 Speaker 1: attacking in this right and he if it sounded like 746 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,400 Speaker 1: maybe he had his on his hip. I don't know 747 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:25,080 Speaker 1: for sure. I didn't read the report. Okay, but he 748 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,279 Speaker 1: did have bearspray, which is super awesome. But I was 749 00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,319 Speaker 1: wondering how he was carrying his, if it was on 750 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,000 Speaker 1: his hip or if it was on you know what. 751 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,279 Speaker 1: Some people do, They carry him like right on their hip, 752 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,080 Speaker 1: and it's just more convenient, you know what we used 753 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:36,880 Speaker 1: to do with them put him in the bomb in 754 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:42,960 Speaker 1: your backpack. I don't know. I'm feel like so stupid 755 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,560 Speaker 1: you it's in the lid of my pack, you know. 756 00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:47,640 Speaker 1: It's like, oh, I feel like you's still see it 757 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,160 Speaker 1: all the time, Like on just the hike contrails around here, 758 00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,560 Speaker 1: you'll see bear spray on like on the outside of 759 00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:57,000 Speaker 1: the backpack. Sure, it's kind of reachable if you're especially 760 00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,120 Speaker 1: if you're a yogi and you're flexibly, you can get 761 00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,319 Speaker 1: you a little bit easier. But still, but now what 762 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:06,840 Speaker 1: I do is the FHF harness has um what do 763 00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,760 Speaker 1: they call that, like the molly or whatever, some strips 764 00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,959 Speaker 1: on the bottom, and you can attach his bear spray 765 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:18,759 Speaker 1: cancer right underneath your binocular harness. So it's no, it's 766 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:23,000 Speaker 1: like the Molly system right where you have like, um, 767 00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:26,640 Speaker 1: what do you call that? Woven nylon webbing, webbing, and 768 00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,800 Speaker 1: you have like tax or you know, a tax strips 769 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,640 Speaker 1: in a row and you can the harness or the 770 00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:36,080 Speaker 1: holster has like a little belt that runs through there 771 00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,840 Speaker 1: and then back into itself. He tolds his hand canning 772 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:44,560 Speaker 1: down there in the same place. Yeah, yeah, man, one 773 00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,200 Speaker 1: or the other right there, and you're like you have 774 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,000 Speaker 1: to get it where you can cross draw figure if 775 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,040 Speaker 1: you're in like a ball, right, or if you're in 776 00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:54,480 Speaker 1: sort of a defensive fetal position, that's where your hands 777 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,839 Speaker 1: are gonna be. Is are gonna be near your chest? Yeah, 778 00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,480 Speaker 1: I mean, like I said, everybody puts it, some we're different. 779 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,239 Speaker 1: So it's just I think it's the motion of being 780 00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,000 Speaker 1: able to get it out, because what if you can't 781 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,040 Speaker 1: because some of the times when you get those holders, 782 00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,359 Speaker 1: even the ones that they have, yeah, they're super taps, 783 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:09,960 Speaker 1: So what if you can't get it out? You know, 784 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,600 Speaker 1: that's a good point. So in the morning, I gotta 785 00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:15,400 Speaker 1: before we get there. I got a question because when 786 00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,640 Speaker 1: I was reading through what you were doing, You're you 787 00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:22,960 Speaker 1: just talked about catching bears and then tattooing bears. Oh yeah, 788 00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,800 Speaker 1: and I want to know how and why you tattoo 789 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:30,640 Speaker 1: a bear. So so I wasn't a part of trapping, 790 00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:32,640 Speaker 1: so I only did the DNA stuff, but I did 791 00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,400 Speaker 1: assist after my accident they had I was going up 792 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,200 Speaker 1: to Livy to visit people, and they happen to have 793 00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,359 Speaker 1: an augmented bear that was coming up, so lead foot 794 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,560 Speaker 1: to the ground and I was right, but we so 795 00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,560 Speaker 1: we tapped to them on either side in case they 796 00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,879 Speaker 1: lose their So sometimes the collars break off, fall off, 797 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,399 Speaker 1: or we take them off. And also we do put 798 00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,440 Speaker 1: ear tags in them. So if they ear tags come 799 00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,640 Speaker 1: out and the bear or if they bear gets eaten 800 00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:58,480 Speaker 1: and a lot of that stuff is gone but the 801 00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,080 Speaker 1: mouth is gone, then we can just flip that up 802 00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:02,920 Speaker 1: and you can see the number on there. So we're 803 00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:06,000 Speaker 1: basically so the tattoos on the inside of their cheeks. Yeah, 804 00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,000 Speaker 1: so you you're pulling up and we did this on 805 00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,440 Speaker 1: black bears in Florida too, and so you're just pulling 806 00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:12,799 Speaker 1: up their cheek and you feel kind of bad, but 807 00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,200 Speaker 1: you're essentially it's this tool and it has kind of 808 00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:17,440 Speaker 1: not nails. I don't want to call them that, but 809 00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,080 Speaker 1: you're able to put ink on it and then you 810 00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,840 Speaker 1: just stick it up under their lip and and push 811 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,560 Speaker 1: it and it creates holes and it's a tattoo and 812 00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,680 Speaker 1: it's got like their number one, so like an indelible 813 00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,759 Speaker 1: mark that someone can they'll have it forever. Of course, 814 00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,799 Speaker 1: get their lips. So Grizzly gets hit by a car 815 00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,960 Speaker 1: out hundred miles away, you can tell that it was 816 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,400 Speaker 1: yours and he went that far. Yeah, because sometimes they 817 00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,759 Speaker 1: don't call her um or even ear tag or maybe 818 00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,880 Speaker 1: they just captured it and they're gonna move it or something, 819 00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,479 Speaker 1: so they just you know, a tattoo is easier, they're 820 00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:50,320 Speaker 1: just going to relocate it. And the only tattoo a 821 00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,319 Speaker 1: lot of mountain lions when they relocate them to do 822 00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,120 Speaker 1: they Yeah, because I've heard like when people talk about 823 00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,279 Speaker 1: when a mountain line will turn up somewhere weird, you'll 824 00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,200 Speaker 1: often read that they'll remark that had no tag too 825 00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:04,520 Speaker 1: interesting on the outside or where they're tattooed interesting because 826 00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:06,800 Speaker 1: it often times you have a problem animal and you 827 00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,000 Speaker 1: relocate a problem animal, so you can sort of like 828 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,400 Speaker 1: look at recidivism, meaning is this problem animal or a 829 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,239 Speaker 1: problem animal or is he just happened to be in 830 00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:18,600 Speaker 1: a bad situation. Yeah, you mark, you can mark them, 831 00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,279 Speaker 1: and then like the next time it destroys someone's chicken coop, 832 00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,359 Speaker 1: next time it destroys Yoni's chicken coop, Peele, it's lipped 833 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,200 Speaker 1: back and be like he's been trouble for and he 834 00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,640 Speaker 1: was in trouble here, and he was trouble here. And 835 00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,000 Speaker 1: then you know, you got a bear that's just not 836 00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:32,680 Speaker 1: gonna or a line or whatever, it's not going to 837 00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,239 Speaker 1: stay clear, right, which makes it easy too for then 838 00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,319 Speaker 1: you because sometimes when you ear type things, I think 839 00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,799 Speaker 1: people get a little nervous and it kind of they're like, 840 00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:41,719 Speaker 1: well those things you're tagged, is it a problem? And 841 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:43,799 Speaker 1: so then you just do a tattoo then you kind 842 00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:45,719 Speaker 1: of know and if there's any issues because you don't 843 00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:47,960 Speaker 1: want to eat to scare the public or make him nervous. 844 00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,400 Speaker 1: You know, is the bear that gut you tattooed? He 845 00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:55,600 Speaker 1: was he was tattooed number seven seventy seventh or seven, 846 00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:59,560 Speaker 1: which how cool is that? Yeah, seven seventies he's in 847 00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:03,359 Speaker 1: a ridge, an old cabinet bear. He's twenty four years old. Well, 848 00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,760 Speaker 1: he'll be twenty five this year. So you got attacked 849 00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,440 Speaker 1: by a twenty four year old grizzly. Yeah, so what happened? 850 00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,239 Speaker 1: Like lay out that day for me? Did did they 851 00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,080 Speaker 1: so you gotta go out and check the hair snares 852 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,160 Speaker 1: by yourself? Did they give you GPS coordinates? Like how 853 00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,120 Speaker 1: do you know where to go? Yeah? So they give 854 00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:18,840 Speaker 1: us a map, so we have a couple of different 855 00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,520 Speaker 1: maps and then we have a GPS that we also 856 00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,640 Speaker 1: have a tab a tablet. I guess I don't use 857 00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:26,319 Speaker 1: those very happen but they gave us the like what 858 00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:27,719 Speaker 1: are we going to do with this? Where is it? 859 00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,080 Speaker 1: And they're like, just just use it. I'm kind of 860 00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:34,520 Speaker 1: a little old fashioned, so but like a digital map, yeah, 861 00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:36,600 Speaker 1: like a tablet and everything. And I was like, man, 862 00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:40,600 Speaker 1: this is fancy because I don't really get this. Very 863 00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:42,840 Speaker 1: rare you get those in my job, you know, because 864 00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,520 Speaker 1: they're pretty expensive. But so they gave me a tablet 865 00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:47,680 Speaker 1: and everything and had an in reach so all the 866 00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,640 Speaker 1: gear that I needed. And yeah, I was just you 867 00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:52,719 Speaker 1: go out of the in reach. Do you know how 868 00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:56,480 Speaker 1: to use get your tablet with the maps and all 869 00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,200 Speaker 1: the points on them, and the GPS and GPS you 870 00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:01,359 Speaker 1: know how to use that? Yeah? And your pepper sprain 871 00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,440 Speaker 1: you know how to use that? Yeah? And you strike 872 00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:07,160 Speaker 1: off up the trail. Oh yeah, so how far do 873 00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,919 Speaker 1: you walk? Two miles? About two miles to your first 874 00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:14,399 Speaker 1: hair snare? No, that was I had already collected maybe 875 00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:18,280 Speaker 1: at least six Yeah, so starting you've been out knocking 876 00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,520 Speaker 1: around already. Yeah, so it's been a couple of hours. 877 00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:22,960 Speaker 1: I usually started my day at seven seven thirty just 878 00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,040 Speaker 1: because it took a while to drive. It was, you know, 879 00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:26,920 Speaker 1: a little far out of outside of Libby, like ten 880 00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:28,600 Speaker 1: or fifteen miles and you got to drive up all 881 00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,520 Speaker 1: the back roads and then um, my second day, I 882 00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:33,960 Speaker 1: spent most of the day chains on, just using a 883 00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:36,640 Speaker 1: chainsaw because there was just trees everywhere and it was 884 00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,840 Speaker 1: so irritated. But so yeah, the third day, I'm just 885 00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,640 Speaker 1: walking along and like I said, I'm what's it look 886 00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:47,960 Speaker 1: like a lot of trees so complete National forest area? 887 00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:53,120 Speaker 1: Just trees. Yeah, yeah, just a ton of trees. And 888 00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:57,160 Speaker 1: there's a huge river, it's poor Man's Creek and it 889 00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:02,800 Speaker 1: was roaring just the entire time for all the sea. 890 00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,960 Speaker 1: Are you cutting trails with your chainsaw? Open the road? 891 00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:10,680 Speaker 1: Actually road? Yeah, because I mean we're there so early 892 00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,400 Speaker 1: and no one's cleared everything yet, yeah, which I was. 893 00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,160 Speaker 1: I was actually stocked because somebody had drove drove down 894 00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,760 Speaker 1: at one point, but then they decided to turn around. 895 00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,239 Speaker 1: I was like gosh, And I spent three hours on 896 00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:24,759 Speaker 1: the second day the road so many and then I 897 00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,880 Speaker 1: had I don't know, it was a sixteen mile hike 898 00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:32,480 Speaker 1: in so not sixteen miles both ways, so but I 899 00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:34,880 Speaker 1: so I finished doing that and then I had to 900 00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,040 Speaker 1: go in sixteen miles and I'm setting up this corral. 901 00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,360 Speaker 1: So this is day two, but setting up this corral, 902 00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:41,799 Speaker 1: and I'm just cursing up a store because it was 903 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,799 Speaker 1: not functioning with me the way I wanted it to. 904 00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,040 Speaker 1: So of course I'm yelling to just in case of 905 00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:51,360 Speaker 1: because I'm literally back in this super tight area just 906 00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:54,480 Speaker 1: a lot of trees, and I'm looking around and finally 907 00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:57,160 Speaker 1: get done and I'm heading out. I'm making a tone noise. 908 00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,359 Speaker 1: I'm just like, oh, this is so dumb, and just 909 00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,360 Speaker 1: like thinking about all the things I could have done differently, 910 00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,799 Speaker 1: to just do better. And all of a sudden, I 911 00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,840 Speaker 1: just hear this, all these trees and just this motion, 912 00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,080 Speaker 1: and I was like, I got down pulled on my 913 00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:10,919 Speaker 1: bear sprain. It just happened to be a black bear 914 00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:14,120 Speaker 1: like running across the and I just scared him. Yeah 915 00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:15,920 Speaker 1: that was day two, so I had already been running 916 00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:19,120 Speaker 1: into bears, you know, But yeah, I scared him because 917 00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:21,640 Speaker 1: he was eating on some berries and everything, and yeah, 918 00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:24,800 Speaker 1: he took off bear. He wasn't nice bear. He was small, 919 00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,120 Speaker 1: but he was still I mean color just jet black. 920 00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,040 Speaker 1: And then I saw a couple more that day to 921 00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:34,439 Speaker 1: really yeah, you know, in that unrelated to the bait. Yeah, yeah, 922 00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:36,279 Speaker 1: not even one of them ran right in front of 923 00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:41,040 Speaker 1: my truck. Yeah, that's a bear rich zone. Man. Oh man, 924 00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:44,840 Speaker 1: Livy is such an amazing area. Yeah, I love that area. 925 00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:49,439 Speaker 1: Day three. Yeah, so I'm walking along the trail and 926 00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:51,719 Speaker 1: like I said, making a ton of noise and just 927 00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:53,720 Speaker 1: check in. Like I said, I think there was six 928 00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:58,680 Speaker 1: maybe eight positioned along a footpath or so. It's an 929 00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,640 Speaker 1: old forest road, but ton of like new growth had 930 00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:03,520 Speaker 1: come up. So there was, like I said, those one 931 00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:07,160 Speaker 1: inch two inch small smaller trees but they're super tall. 932 00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,560 Speaker 1: But there's a path in there from people kind of 933 00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:11,400 Speaker 1: hiking in and out, and you can tell it's an 934 00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:17,200 Speaker 1: old forestry road. Yeah, And just walking along and just 935 00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:21,280 Speaker 1: grabbing hair. And then I get to the one creek 936 00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,439 Speaker 1: that the Loud Creek, and I was like, oh man, 937 00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,040 Speaker 1: and they had to cross the bridge and everything, and 938 00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:27,200 Speaker 1: I just kept thinking. I was thinking, I'm like, man, 939 00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:29,720 Speaker 1: this is really loud. I gotta start yelling a lot 940 00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,719 Speaker 1: louder because it was just rushing and you could run 941 00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,000 Speaker 1: into them. And there's so many moose out there, which 942 00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,120 Speaker 1: I was dying to find a moose ship, but that 943 00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:40,120 Speaker 1: didn't really work out. So yeah, I just kept going 944 00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:43,920 Speaker 1: and um got to there, I hit some snow and 945 00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:45,840 Speaker 1: at one point, you know, my boss to me's like, 946 00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:47,480 Speaker 1: if you hit a bunch of snow, you don't have 947 00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:49,480 Speaker 1: to keep going, just we can go back to it 948 00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:51,440 Speaker 1: in the next week. It will eventually be melted. But 949 00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,360 Speaker 1: I was already walking and it was just on the trail, 950 00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:57,600 Speaker 1: so it's no but I mean it was a foot 951 00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,000 Speaker 1: high maybe from the half so but I was walking 952 00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:01,680 Speaker 1: it along and it's kind of miserable in the spring 953 00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:03,399 Speaker 1: and when it gets all soft and you sink down 954 00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,719 Speaker 1: in it and with so man, Yeah, I didn't even 955 00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:08,360 Speaker 1: think about snowshoes. But like I said, it was just 956 00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:09,920 Speaker 1: on the trail, so I could kind of get off 957 00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:13,440 Speaker 1: of it. And I actually found grizzly bear tracks on 958 00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:15,920 Speaker 1: the snow and look down and I'm looking at it 959 00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,000 Speaker 1: almost like, oh, they're a couple of days old. Wasn't 960 00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:19,920 Speaker 1: super worried. Had they been fresh, I probably would have. 961 00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:21,920 Speaker 1: I would have turned around, you know, just because he 962 00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,319 Speaker 1: was walking the same way I was walking, and he 963 00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:27,400 Speaker 1: or she, I should say, and got to my last 964 00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:31,480 Speaker 1: hair snare and was taking some photos and then it yeah, 965 00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:36,759 Speaker 1: there was a little bit, Yeah, there was some griz yeah, yeah, 966 00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,440 Speaker 1: so you gotta kind of collect everything, and so there 967 00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:41,040 Speaker 1: was a little bit of both. There wasn't enough to 968 00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:42,840 Speaker 1: where I was like, you don't make an in field 969 00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,239 Speaker 1: analysis about what it is, you just grab it. Yeah, 970 00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:47,440 Speaker 1: we just kind of I tried to. So we separated 971 00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:51,080 Speaker 1: by barb that's on the literally the barbs that are 972 00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,080 Speaker 1: on the wire, so kind of you know, there's like 973 00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:54,840 Speaker 1: one O one one or two one or three. So 974 00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:57,400 Speaker 1: we separated by those and we have different envelopes. And 975 00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:59,399 Speaker 1: then when we come back, you go through the hair 976 00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:02,200 Speaker 1: to turn remember black bear grizzly bear, and you can 977 00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:04,040 Speaker 1: kind of determine out there. But sometimes, I mean, you're 978 00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,120 Speaker 1: out there for so long it's just easier to do it. 979 00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:09,000 Speaker 1: And back in the office, I'm surprised you're getting both 980 00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,960 Speaker 1: hairs on the same tree. Why is that? What is 981 00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:15,200 Speaker 1: because in the field and we've seen the both and 982 00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:19,919 Speaker 1: both blacks and um brown bears on the landscape. It's 983 00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:23,239 Speaker 1: like when that black bear realizes there's a grizzly in 984 00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:26,359 Speaker 1: the area, they just high tail it. Well, they've got 985 00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:29,920 Speaker 1: to pass at some point though, right, but they must 986 00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,840 Speaker 1: smell that grizzly has been rubbing on that tree. And 987 00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:38,200 Speaker 1: I would think that, yeah, subordinate. They'd always be like, no, 988 00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:40,839 Speaker 1: I don't need to cause any look up and see 989 00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:42,640 Speaker 1: him together. But yeah, a little bit like that, if 990 00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:45,040 Speaker 1: he was in the zone and hanging around and scratching 991 00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:48,680 Speaker 1: it up, that the black bear be a little apprehensive. Yeah, 992 00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:50,600 Speaker 1: I guess I didn't even think about that. I just 993 00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:52,680 Speaker 1: figured out they're walking the same path, and maybe he 994 00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:54,319 Speaker 1: smelled and he's like, well, I'm gonna rub on this 995 00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:56,800 Speaker 1: tree too, and just kept walking. You really, like on 996 00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:01,279 Speaker 1: the islands and Coastal Alaska, they don't overlap. Really on 997 00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:03,839 Speaker 1: the islands, I didn't know that if it's suitable for 998 00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:10,000 Speaker 1: brown bears, black pearers aren't there. Really, Yeah, my prayers 999 00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,000 Speaker 1: are on an island, it's because it's not suitable habitat 1000 00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,640 Speaker 1: for grizzlies or brown bears. Wow, that's super interesting. I 1001 00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:18,279 Speaker 1: actually love the last I'd love to do some you know, 1002 00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,239 Speaker 1: in the interior they overlap, but they still you know, 1003 00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:24,360 Speaker 1: I mean, the grizzlies will kill him right right. Oh. 1004 00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:28,120 Speaker 1: I saw this video on Facebook that somebody posted, Yeah, 1005 00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,400 Speaker 1: to find one of the grizzly killing the black bear cubs. 1006 00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:36,080 Speaker 1: That sounds Oh, it is brutal. Isn't it. You'll give 1007 00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:40,000 Speaker 1: me nightmares. Really, it's just it's I watched it like 1008 00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:43,560 Speaker 1: too many times. How many times do you want? I 1009 00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,960 Speaker 1: haven't even digging out is digging out the den, fighting 1010 00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,160 Speaker 1: with the mom and she's just us here and she's 1011 00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,960 Speaker 1: like whack, she just whacks that. He's still he just 1012 00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,680 Speaker 1: like doesn't. He's like I He's like, lady, I do 1013 00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:58,440 Speaker 1: not care. I do not does he kill here's the 1014 00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:03,880 Speaker 1: grizzly killed? No? But does it killed us? Sound? He's like, 1015 00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,120 Speaker 1: I'm in here for the cubs to eat them. Yeah, 1016 00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:10,200 Speaker 1: And she's like fighting and fighting and he just is 1017 00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:13,400 Speaker 1: so unbothered by it. It doesn't even affect him. No, 1018 00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:14,879 Speaker 1: He's like, I'm just here from one thing. Now, watch 1019 00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:19,600 Speaker 1: your cubs, which doesn't he doesn't care. Two of them, 1020 00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:22,520 Speaker 1: one of them break, one of them is nerves. One 1021 00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:24,520 Speaker 1: of them he loses his nerves and busts out of 1022 00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:28,720 Speaker 1: the den. And the sound and how long the sound 1023 00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:33,520 Speaker 1: goes on when that and that's a stout freaking grizzly 1024 00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:37,400 Speaker 1: And the hard party about is the two dudes filming 1025 00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:43,879 Speaker 1: it kind of right the tracks from the video they're speculating, Yeah, 1026 00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:48,960 Speaker 1: they're no what's that dude that does all the narration 1027 00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:55,759 Speaker 1: for nature movies at Borrow? They're not okay? So there 1028 00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,120 Speaker 1: you are, you're out. You check a few snares. You 1029 00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:01,360 Speaker 1: see some grizzly tracks. Was it a whopper the track? 1030 00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:04,080 Speaker 1: They were pretty big. I don't know if I ever 1031 00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,440 Speaker 1: I mean, you go to Yellowstone you see big grizzly bears, 1032 00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:08,520 Speaker 1: but they were big to me, you know, they seemed 1033 00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:12,799 Speaker 1: pretty big. You're a good rule filmb is. Please tell me, well, 1034 00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:17,080 Speaker 1: I want you to verify it. Uh, you measure the 1035 00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:19,399 Speaker 1: front pad? What was it from the is it from 1036 00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:22,000 Speaker 1: the corner to like the just the width the front pad, 1037 00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:27,320 Speaker 1: just the top, and that'll tell you roughly knows the 1038 00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,360 Speaker 1: tail what the idle stretch out, not stretch out, but 1039 00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,920 Speaker 1: what it'll square out as. That's a duncan Gil Chris Trick. Okay, 1040 00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:35,960 Speaker 1: so you find a blackberries he's got a five inch pad. 1041 00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,919 Speaker 1: He's probably about a six foot bear. Really okay, that's 1042 00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,520 Speaker 1: good to me. I don't know if that. I don't 1043 00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:44,120 Speaker 1: know if that works on grizz I know that he 1044 00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:46,520 Speaker 1: talks about working on black bears and always used it 1045 00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:51,759 Speaker 1: as a rough estimate with grizzlies. Yeah, interesting might be off. 1046 00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:55,200 Speaker 1: They might have a proportionately larger foot Yeah, well and 1047 00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:58,440 Speaker 1: too got proportionately large clause, that's for sure. Are there 1048 00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:01,520 Speaker 1: tracks differently? How do they and depending on how they 1049 00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:04,760 Speaker 1: step in this stuff too, you know, like a black 1050 00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:10,239 Speaker 1: bear has got more of a doglike deal, where the 1051 00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:14,040 Speaker 1: toes don't fall in a real straight line, with the 1052 00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:18,080 Speaker 1: grizzlies toes falling a pretty straight line. And then obviously 1053 00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:20,520 Speaker 1: the claw mark will stick out at inch and a 1054 00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:23,000 Speaker 1: half two inches out. No, it was. It was definitely 1055 00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:26,680 Speaker 1: grizzly tracks. So you see him and you go like, wow, 1056 00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:28,400 Speaker 1: there's one back in here. Oh yeah, I thought it was. 1057 00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:31,160 Speaker 1: I mean I had been finding wolf tracks, blackbird tracks, 1058 00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:33,399 Speaker 1: moose tracks, everything. So I see him, I was like, oh, 1059 00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:35,359 Speaker 1: that's super cool. There was one. Yeah, there was one 1060 00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:38,440 Speaker 1: back here. So I keep walking and I get to 1061 00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:41,920 Speaker 1: this kind of avalanche shoot area. It's pretty open and 1062 00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:44,759 Speaker 1: we're an avalanche shoots coming down off the hill down 1063 00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:47,879 Speaker 1: toward the trail. Yeah. Yeah, and it's just it's super open, 1064 00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:50,640 Speaker 1: not as um, not as many trees and more like 1065 00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:54,120 Speaker 1: bushes and things like that in there. Just walking down 1066 00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:56,600 Speaker 1: the trail and you know, I made some noise, I 1067 00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:58,799 Speaker 1: blew my whistle and just was looking to the right 1068 00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:01,440 Speaker 1: and looking around to another location. Yeah. So I was 1069 00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:03,480 Speaker 1: moving down the trail, just going to I think I 1070 00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:06,400 Speaker 1: had maybe four or five more snares hair snares to 1071 00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:11,040 Speaker 1: pick up, and I just heard this and I turned 1072 00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:13,640 Speaker 1: to my left and he's They ended up measuring it. 1073 00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:18,239 Speaker 1: He's about eleven feet for me from him. Yeah, because 1074 00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:20,040 Speaker 1: he's so old, he doesn't know what's going on anymore. 1075 00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:22,239 Speaker 1: I don't know if he didn't hear me, if he 1076 00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:25,480 Speaker 1: was laying down, or if he because of the I 1077 00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:27,719 Speaker 1: mean the ridge it dropped off and the ridge was 1078 00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:30,680 Speaker 1: right there. There was maybe a foot maybe two ft 1079 00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:32,640 Speaker 1: on the left hand side, and then it dropped off 1080 00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:34,239 Speaker 1: down to the creek. So I don't know if he 1081 00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:38,080 Speaker 1: was so I don't It wasn't like it was like 1082 00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:41,000 Speaker 1: a somewhat obstructed view in that direction. Yeah. Yeah, So, I, 1083 00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:42,680 Speaker 1: like I said, he might have been laying down or 1084 00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:44,640 Speaker 1: he was coming up as I was coming down and 1085 00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:47,920 Speaker 1: just didn't hear me, and I didn't see him, And yeah, 1086 00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:52,880 Speaker 1: it was just it was he already motor in your direction. 1087 00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:55,200 Speaker 1: He was well, he was eleven feet for me. So 1088 00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:57,839 Speaker 1: he really didn't have to go very far. But when 1089 00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:02,000 Speaker 1: you when you first registered him, he was stationary coming. No, 1090 00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:06,000 Speaker 1: he was standing right there like what excuse me? What 1091 00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:09,839 Speaker 1: are you doing here? Yes? Yeah, I know. He was 1092 00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,520 Speaker 1: right next to me on all fours, are up on 1093 00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:16,640 Speaker 1: his high on all fours, not looking happy. I mean, 1094 00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:18,840 Speaker 1: he was just I don't know if I would. He 1095 00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:21,480 Speaker 1: just was like I didn't know what I was. You know, 1096 00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:28,200 Speaker 1: he didn't have expression, um a little bit, you know, 1097 00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:30,360 Speaker 1: I don't even know if I a little bit, but 1098 00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:34,160 Speaker 1: nothing like you know what it would normally do. How 1099 00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:37,440 Speaker 1: many pounds was the bear? So when they first captured 1100 00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:40,120 Speaker 1: him in two thousand and five, I wait, and I 1101 00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:43,759 Speaker 1: also brought his family treaty, which was super cool. I 1102 00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:48,120 Speaker 1: wanted to know everything everything. So they captured him originally 1103 00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:51,040 Speaker 1: two thousand five, and they he was I think they 1104 00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:54,200 Speaker 1: put this in kilograms, two hundred fifty kilograms. I believe 1105 00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:57,200 Speaker 1: they put that on the whole thing. But anyway, he 1106 00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:01,600 Speaker 1: ended up being originally five fifty pounds. And so I mean, 1107 00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:10,000 Speaker 1: you figure, what thirteen years if how long has it been. Yeah, 1108 00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:12,279 Speaker 1: so he had to have been I knew was springtime, 1109 00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:15,480 Speaker 1: but he had to have been at least six hundred pounds. 1110 00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:17,759 Speaker 1: I mean, he had to have gain some weight, you 1111 00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:19,960 Speaker 1: would think, so he was I would say he was 1112 00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:21,960 Speaker 1: probably least six hundred pounds. And how well did you 1113 00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:24,319 Speaker 1: register it? Like? How how? What was it just when 1114 00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:26,520 Speaker 1: you review in your mind? Now, was it like a blur? 1115 00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:29,560 Speaker 1: Was it like you just can remember every detail of 1116 00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:32,239 Speaker 1: the face. I can remember every detail. They showed me 1117 00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:34,040 Speaker 1: a picture and they sent me a picture of him 1118 00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:35,759 Speaker 1: when he was originally captured, and I was like, oh, yeah, 1119 00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:39,759 Speaker 1: that's him. Yeah, you could have picked him out of 1120 00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:42,800 Speaker 1: a police lineup with oh yeah, because he's he's a 1121 00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:45,880 Speaker 1: little darker. He's got kind of a darker um tone 1122 00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:47,840 Speaker 1: and his hair and just the face. I mean, I 1123 00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:50,040 Speaker 1: don't know what it was his just his face isn't 1124 00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:52,440 Speaker 1: engraved in my mind. And been in a lot of 1125 00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:55,000 Speaker 1: trouble in his life. No, No, he was not a 1126 00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:58,400 Speaker 1: trouble bear at all. He's born there. Yeah, he's an 1127 00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:01,880 Speaker 1: original cabinet bear. Yeah. So he's been popping out cubs 1128 00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:06,120 Speaker 1: and not him, but he's been siren cub yes yea. 1129 00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:12,759 Speaker 1: So also eleven feet away And then did you did 1130 00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:15,399 Speaker 1: you stay on it? Locked on it to see him 1131 00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:18,600 Speaker 1: start to lunge, or did you, like, did you kind 1132 00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:22,320 Speaker 1: of turn away and know somehow sense that it was coming. 1133 00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:26,480 Speaker 1: I knew I sensed that it was coming. There was 1134 00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:28,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I was so close to him that there 1135 00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:30,320 Speaker 1: was no way he wasn't going to come at me. 1136 00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:33,160 Speaker 1: And so my first initial reaction, which is kind of 1137 00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:34,720 Speaker 1: what they tell you not to do. But I mean, 1138 00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:37,560 Speaker 1: how often do people want of bears right there? All 1139 00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:42,040 Speaker 1: don't apologize all of the things about all you're supposed 1140 00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:44,120 Speaker 1: to do this. When you do you do this, it's 1141 00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:48,640 Speaker 1: like all that stuff goes out the door. Yeah, who's 1142 00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:51,920 Speaker 1: got that great saying? I think it's Tyson maybe saying 1143 00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:54,640 Speaker 1: it says that like everybody's got a plan until they 1144 00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:58,800 Speaker 1: get punched in the mouth. Isn't that? Oh? Is that what? Yeah? 1145 00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:00,840 Speaker 1: That's that is right? Yeah, always got a plan until 1146 00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:02,440 Speaker 1: get punched in the mouth. I think that's what it is. 1147 00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:10,360 Speaker 1: A friend of ours who um did the ran the 1148 00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:14,240 Speaker 1: one of the seal training Navy Seal training courses, Like 1149 00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:19,720 Speaker 1: that's the thing is we talked about this, where you 1150 00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:22,720 Speaker 1: can rehearse something in practice something, you can eventually get 1151 00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:26,000 Speaker 1: to a point where when it's real you've done it 1152 00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:29,560 Speaker 1: so much when it's not real and very real seeming 1153 00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:35,720 Speaker 1: situations that you can function when it's really but it's 1154 00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:39,120 Speaker 1: hard to it's hard to get there. And you being like, oh, yeah, 1155 00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:40,680 Speaker 1: if Bart comes from me, I used to joke that 1156 00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:42,880 Speaker 1: I was gonna grab his offer John lower John spread 1157 00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:45,640 Speaker 1: his mouth out so he couldn't bite a joke. But 1158 00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:49,120 Speaker 1: I'm saying like, there's no way. Yeah. Well, I love 1159 00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:51,080 Speaker 1: when all my guy friends are you know, and this 1160 00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:53,280 Speaker 1: was prior to everybody. All guys are like, oh, I 1161 00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:55,919 Speaker 1: could fight off a bear. I'm a bear fighter, and 1162 00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:58,000 Speaker 1: yeah I have Hello I say that to me, and 1163 00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:00,240 Speaker 1: you know, now this has happened and they're like, I 1164 00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:02,160 Speaker 1: don't think I'm as tough as you. And I was like, 1165 00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:05,840 Speaker 1: that is what it is. So you just but you 1166 00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:09,240 Speaker 1: just knew. Oh yeah, I knew. I mean just instantly. 1167 00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:15,520 Speaker 1: I just had a feeling. And what was the feeling? Um, 1168 00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:18,959 Speaker 1: why I don't I just knew he was coming to me. No, 1169 00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:21,160 Speaker 1: I didn't. There was no time for fear, there was 1170 00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:24,960 Speaker 1: no time to realization. Yeah, and I was like, this, okay, 1171 00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:27,400 Speaker 1: this is it. We're I'm gonna I'm gonna figure this 1172 00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:29,680 Speaker 1: out and I'm gonna survive. Like, my thought process was, 1173 00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:33,480 Speaker 1: I'm getting out of here, and I did everything that 1174 00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:35,480 Speaker 1: I could, so I ended up you know, when I 1175 00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:38,160 Speaker 1: heard him saw him. I mean, this is second. So 1176 00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:40,440 Speaker 1: I took so much time. I turned to the right 1177 00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:42,400 Speaker 1: and like got by a bush and just dropped down 1178 00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:43,880 Speaker 1: to the ground. And before I was even down all 1179 00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:45,439 Speaker 1: the way, I mean, he was already at my back 1180 00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:47,800 Speaker 1: and I had a pack on. He had smacked my back, 1181 00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:49,720 Speaker 1: clowed up my arm, and I you know, I had 1182 00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:53,400 Speaker 1: my bear spray here. But my thought process was he's 1183 00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:55,680 Speaker 1: not going to tear up my guts, Like I'm walking 1184 00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:57,440 Speaker 1: out of here, and so that's why I turned and 1185 00:59:57,480 --> 00:59:59,600 Speaker 1: just dropped like as much as I could. And I'm 1186 00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:03,000 Speaker 1: just on around and just trying not to move any 1187 01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:05,760 Speaker 1: muscle in my body getting this bear spray out. And 1188 01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:08,200 Speaker 1: I finally got it out and had the cap off, 1189 01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:10,880 Speaker 1: and I'm literally like over how over what period of time? 1190 01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:14,040 Speaker 1: A split second? Oh, this is like three seconds between 1191 01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:16,360 Speaker 1: just between him coming there. It might have even been 1192 01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:18,720 Speaker 1: a second. I mean the first physical contact felt like 1193 01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:20,800 Speaker 1: him blowing you with his arm. Oh he did. Yeah, 1194 01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:22,480 Speaker 1: I thought I broke a rib when I was walking out, 1195 01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:25,120 Speaker 1: like I thought he essentially broken. Oh yeah, because he 1196 01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:28,160 Speaker 1: just came up and just whacked me and just like 1197 01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:30,880 Speaker 1: clawed up my arm and I was like, I'm just 1198 01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:34,600 Speaker 1: working on my right arm. So on the back didn't 1199 01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:36,280 Speaker 1: make it three your clothes it, did? You know? I 1200 01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:40,000 Speaker 1: had three layers? Uh? Yeah, I had three layers on, 1201 01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:42,440 Speaker 1: I believe three long sleeve layers on, and I got 1202 01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:44,680 Speaker 1: a rain jacket, and then I had this Columbia long 1203 01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:46,720 Speaker 1: sleeve shirt on, and then I had another just kind 1204 01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:48,479 Speaker 1: of like a thinner must have been a short sleeve 1205 01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:50,919 Speaker 1: shirt on, but still they were all fairly long. But yeah, 1206 01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:53,080 Speaker 1: it made it through. And there's actually tears in my 1207 01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:56,000 Speaker 1: rain jacket and then on my right side of my back, 1208 01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:59,080 Speaker 1: so right below like my shoulder blade kind of area, 1209 01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:02,040 Speaker 1: there's still scar and everything. So he made it through that. 1210 01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:04,040 Speaker 1: And I had a pack on. I had a huge 1211 01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:08,880 Speaker 1: osprey pack on, and he still somehow was I mean 1212 01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:12,600 Speaker 1: that stuff. Yeah, the bruise was huge. I mean how 1213 01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:15,120 Speaker 1: he made it through And there's even a there's even 1214 01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:18,160 Speaker 1: a gash on my pack on the top part of that, 1215 01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:20,680 Speaker 1: you know, that top part, there was a gash on that. 1216 01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:22,280 Speaker 1: I was like, how did he even do? That like 1217 01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:25,840 Speaker 1: about they could like they can run behind the elk 1218 01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:30,600 Speaker 1: and swap the elks rump and topple the elk. Dude, 1219 01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:32,520 Speaker 1: you could cock back as hard as you could ever 1220 01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:34,640 Speaker 1: hope to cockback and punch your elk in the rump 1221 01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:42,240 Speaker 1: and it will not register the blow. Its legs out 1222 01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:44,920 Speaker 1: from underneath it with a blow of that arm. Insane. 1223 01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:48,960 Speaker 1: So you feel that, and did you? Were you like, oh, 1224 01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:52,720 Speaker 1: I just got whapped or cut or clawed. It was 1225 01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:55,120 Speaker 1: just to just feel like this overwhelming kind of blow. Oh, 1226 01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:56,880 Speaker 1: I mean I knew he hit me when he hit me. 1227 01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:59,439 Speaker 1: He hit me, I was like, all right, I'm gonna 1228 01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:02,520 Speaker 1: keep going, like I'm gonna pull this bear spray out 1229 01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:04,440 Speaker 1: and you already got in your head to get your spray. 1230 01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:06,880 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean I was working like focused. Yeah, 1231 01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:08,680 Speaker 1: I was working on it, and I just was trying 1232 01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:11,520 Speaker 1: not to move these arms at all because because of 1233 01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:13,520 Speaker 1: what reason, Because he was I mean he was on top, 1234 01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:16,080 Speaker 1: so he was right there, and so any move, I mean, 1235 01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:23,320 Speaker 1: any movement and they see that, I just want to yeah, yeah, yeah, 1236 01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:26,080 Speaker 1: I'm just trying not to move. And that, I mean 1237 01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:28,800 Speaker 1: that part was where I was like, just just pull 1238 01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:31,120 Speaker 1: it out. Just do it. And then I took that 1239 01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:36,080 Speaker 1: you know, that clear cap off, and that's when, yeah, 1240 01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:39,040 Speaker 1: the safety and that's when he had reached over and 1241 01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:40,960 Speaker 1: bit down on my head and I just reached over 1242 01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:44,800 Speaker 1: my left arm sprayed him and he took off, sprayed 1243 01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:47,800 Speaker 1: him over your shoulder while he's biting your over my shoulder. Yeah, 1244 01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:50,840 Speaker 1: and you got yourself, I did. Yeah, So it actually 1245 01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:53,280 Speaker 1: I mean because he was I don't he had to. 1246 01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:55,919 Speaker 1: He was on my pack. Were you on your knees? Yeah, 1247 01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:58,080 Speaker 1: so I was sitting on my butt and just kind 1248 01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:00,200 Speaker 1: of had my legs out to the side and your 1249 01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:02,720 Speaker 1: butt like with your legs out, I did, Yeah, how 1250 01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:05,560 Speaker 1: I don't. I mean I just ended up down there. 1251 01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:09,160 Speaker 1: But yeah, and he goes he bites your head. Does 1252 01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:13,600 Speaker 1: Is that the first bite? Yeah? That was and the 1253 01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:16,040 Speaker 1: only bite, which is crazy because I had fruit snacks 1254 01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:17,680 Speaker 1: and all kinds of stuff in the top part. You 1255 01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:19,760 Speaker 1: think he would have gotten into the top part of 1256 01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:22,280 Speaker 1: the bag and or like pulled the but he was 1257 01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:24,840 Speaker 1: just I don't know what, I'm neutralizing a threat. Yeah, 1258 01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:26,720 Speaker 1: and he just kind of went over and it wasn't 1259 01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:29,320 Speaker 1: because I've had people ask me what was the bite 1260 01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:31,560 Speaker 1: and I was like he just bit down on my head, 1261 01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:34,520 Speaker 1: and I mean I didn't feel any I literally didn't 1262 01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:37,280 Speaker 1: feel anything. I heard stuff crunch, and then the hearing 1263 01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:39,000 Speaker 1: went out on my left ear. But I was so 1264 01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:40,600 Speaker 1: like I said, I was going to get out, So 1265 01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:44,000 Speaker 1: I just literally reached over sprayed him and he just 1266 01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:47,800 Speaker 1: shot blind. Nope, just shot blind. Closed my eyes sprayed, 1267 01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:50,400 Speaker 1: and I felt him come off of me and he 1268 01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:55,520 Speaker 1: he went, he went away. That was it. It's so 1269 01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:59,920 Speaker 1: what was the You're hearing went out right away instantaneous 1270 01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:05,720 Speaker 1: and it was replaced by like a yeah, like static noise. Yeah, 1271 01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:09,760 Speaker 1: So what was the wound? Did he did he make 1272 01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:12,760 Speaker 1: it through your skull? He did so. Um, one of 1273 01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:15,600 Speaker 1: his canines actually punctured my brain. So I went into 1274 01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:18,160 Speaker 1: my brain. Um, by the way the doctor and she's 1275 01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:19,640 Speaker 1: pretty sure, she goes ahead to have been by the 1276 01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:22,760 Speaker 1: way it was shaped. Everything ended up going into my brain. 1277 01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:26,080 Speaker 1: And so from kind of just below my eye on 1278 01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:29,160 Speaker 1: my left side, and then it wraps around and there's 1279 01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:31,920 Speaker 1: a there was a decent hole on this side and 1280 01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:33,480 Speaker 1: then it goes all the way to the back and 1281 01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:36,120 Speaker 1: I had staples all the way just right before my 1282 01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:39,160 Speaker 1: right ear on the back side. So this whole you know, 1283 01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:41,600 Speaker 1: your back, your head, that whole lower part where all 1284 01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:44,160 Speaker 1: that muscle, all that muscle attendants were all shredded, like 1285 01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:45,880 Speaker 1: all that stuff was Sure did he buy it? Like 1286 01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:48,920 Speaker 1: cross wise or like? That? Was my next question? You know, 1287 01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:51,360 Speaker 1: I honestly don't know. So I also got I had 1288 01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:53,440 Speaker 1: about six staples on the top of my head, so 1289 01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:55,640 Speaker 1: there was some kind of scrape. So I think maybe 1290 01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:58,600 Speaker 1: the top part might have been like his upper right canine, 1291 01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:01,360 Speaker 1: and then the rent this side was the left side 1292 01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:04,000 Speaker 1: of his mouth, and then probably the backside was his 1293 01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:06,440 Speaker 1: bottom jaw and he was literally just like so I 1294 01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:08,080 Speaker 1: think he was kind of on his side, just like 1295 01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:11,360 Speaker 1: a forty five degree sort of angle. Yeah, wrapped around 1296 01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:15,400 Speaker 1: you like fit your head in his mouth? Oh yeah essentially. Yeah. 1297 01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:20,480 Speaker 1: Um you heard crunch, crunch, Yeah, I did, like, oh, 1298 01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:24,640 Speaker 1: there's my skull. You know, honestly I didn't know. I wasn't. 1299 01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:27,400 Speaker 1: I was so focused on getting him off of me, 1300 01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:32,120 Speaker 1: I thought, but I wasn't for sure, Like I assumed 1301 01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:33,640 Speaker 1: it was my skull because I was like, what else 1302 01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:35,600 Speaker 1: would it have been? But I didn't know that it 1303 01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:38,720 Speaker 1: had correct open all the way. I mean, you hear it, 1304 01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:41,920 Speaker 1: and then like I said, it was white noise in 1305 01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:44,680 Speaker 1: my ear and all this static and so after that, 1306 01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:47,080 Speaker 1: I didn't really think about it, like I just with 1307 01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:49,720 Speaker 1: all those tendons gone, did you was it? Like? Did 1308 01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:51,920 Speaker 1: you notice that your head was hard to hold or 1309 01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:54,600 Speaker 1: move or I didn't. I tried not to move my 1310 01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:57,720 Speaker 1: head too much, just because I, like I said, I 1311 01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:00,360 Speaker 1: wasn't sure that what he correcked open and he but 1312 01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:02,160 Speaker 1: I knew that he had touched my head. So I 1313 01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:04,320 Speaker 1: just tried not to move my head. And but it 1314 01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:06,880 Speaker 1: was hard walking out because I want to put your 1315 01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:08,440 Speaker 1: hand back there to see how much blood there was 1316 01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:10,840 Speaker 1: at one point. So I had a hat on to 1317 01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:13,000 Speaker 1: mind you, and I had super long hair, so my 1318 01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:14,840 Speaker 1: hair was super long all the way down to my 1319 01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:17,480 Speaker 1: lower back, and I had a ponytail in and had 1320 01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:20,120 Speaker 1: a hat on, and I hadn't even found I was 1321 01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:22,160 Speaker 1: walking out and my hat happened to fall out of 1322 01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:23,480 Speaker 1: my hair, and I was like, oh, that's my head, 1323 01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:25,480 Speaker 1: that's really weird. I picked it up and put it on, 1324 01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:28,240 Speaker 1: and then I was just walking out, like I just 1325 01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:29,840 Speaker 1: why did you not check to see you if it 1326 01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:32,280 Speaker 1: was all super bloody? I didn't want to know, you 1327 01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:36,000 Speaker 1: know what's funny this? This is like, no, I shouldn't 1328 01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:38,000 Speaker 1: even be telling this story because your story is coolness, isn't. 1329 01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:39,600 Speaker 1: I was in a car roll over one time and 1330 01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:41,680 Speaker 1: I had just bought a coffee and when the car 1331 01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:45,760 Speaker 1: got done rolling over, my head was all hot from 1332 01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:47,800 Speaker 1: the coffee and I was like, oh, my head cracked 1333 01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:50,520 Speaker 1: open and that's all my blood. And then I touched 1334 01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:52,280 Speaker 1: it and looked and there's no blood and I was like, 1335 01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:54,280 Speaker 1: that's weird. And I touched it. I'm like, oh, it's 1336 01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:57,520 Speaker 1: that coffee. And I was like totally fine. For a minute, 1337 01:06:57,560 --> 01:07:00,320 Speaker 1: I had like the feeling of my life blood. Oh yeah, 1338 01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:03,520 Speaker 1: all the blood. I was like, oh, there's actually nothing 1339 01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:05,000 Speaker 1: wrong with me. Well, at least you didn't get any 1340 01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:10,640 Speaker 1: burns from the coffee, and that's what you are. You 1341 01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:12,200 Speaker 1: don't put your hand back there. But it hadn't been 1342 01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:17,400 Speaker 1: bleeding bad, right, probably? I mean, are you later shocked 1343 01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:20,920 Speaker 1: as your whole jacket and everything just soaked through? You know, honestly, 1344 01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:24,520 Speaker 1: I really don't know. So when lost all your gear, No, 1345 01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:26,200 Speaker 1: it was all with me. So I still had my pack, 1346 01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:29,400 Speaker 1: I still had everything. I literally, Oh yeah, so they 1347 01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:33,360 Speaker 1: they cut yeah, they cut so they were able to 1348 01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:34,680 Speaker 1: well that's not true. They were able to take my 1349 01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:36,600 Speaker 1: rain jack off, and they just kind of took everything 1350 01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:39,400 Speaker 1: for me, like the rest of my clothes they had 1351 01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:41,600 Speaker 1: essentially had to cut off of me. So how many 1352 01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:45,600 Speaker 1: stitches and staples I had I used to meet on 1353 01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:48,680 Speaker 1: the number. We're getting too far ahead. I don't know 1354 01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:52,520 Speaker 1: how far The walkout was two, So I know you 1355 01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:56,960 Speaker 1: you're in shock. I don't know what that. I mean. 1356 01:07:57,200 --> 01:08:01,480 Speaker 1: I almost I almost didn't hit the entry because I 1357 01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:04,120 Speaker 1: was fine and I could see. And so I'm literally 1358 01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:07,560 Speaker 1: sitting there and I sat there for pepper spraying your face? Yeah, well, 1359 01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:09,919 Speaker 1: and I couldn't really tell right away, but I could 1360 01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:13,440 Speaker 1: definitely feel it, and I didn't know for sure, um, 1361 01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:15,240 Speaker 1: but I just sat there for a couple of seconds, 1362 01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:18,800 Speaker 1: just waiting, and then I was like, okay, like wait 1363 01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:20,760 Speaker 1: for him to come back, yeah, to see if he 1364 01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:23,400 Speaker 1: was going to come back. And he wasn't coming back. 1365 01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:24,960 Speaker 1: So I just looked around and I pulled on my 1366 01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:27,559 Speaker 1: ranch and I'm like, God, this is my third day. 1367 01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:31,320 Speaker 1: Do I really hit the SS button on your third day? 1368 01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:33,360 Speaker 1: You know? And I was like, well, what if I 1369 01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:35,400 Speaker 1: end up not being able to make it out and 1370 01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:37,000 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I guess I'll hit it. But 1371 01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:39,559 Speaker 1: I literally debated it for at least probably five to 1372 01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:45,280 Speaker 1: ten seconds. I'm talking about it. You debated it like now, 1373 01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:48,439 Speaker 1: it seems funny that you debated it because you weren't 1374 01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:51,080 Speaker 1: in your right mind or you debated it like a 1375 01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:54,880 Speaker 1: rational person. It's definitely rational, just because it was my 1376 01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:56,920 Speaker 1: third day and who wants to call the s O 1377 01:08:57,280 --> 01:09:00,000 Speaker 1: and Greening like this was probably I shouldn't say probably, 1378 01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:03,000 Speaker 1: this was a decent size injury, but who wants to 1379 01:09:03,080 --> 01:09:04,720 Speaker 1: It's your third day and you're already hitting this a 1380 01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:08,360 Speaker 1: West button and you're like, man, So you didn't register 1381 01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:12,160 Speaker 1: it as something that kind of life changing. I mean 1382 01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:14,479 Speaker 1: when I walked out of there, I was like, I'll 1383 01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:16,880 Speaker 1: be I'll be back to work in a month. I 1384 01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:19,040 Speaker 1: didn't really think I was going to not be able 1385 01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:21,439 Speaker 1: to go back to work for four or five months, 1386 01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:23,960 Speaker 1: which isn't long. I mean, people have That's what I mean, 1387 01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:27,040 Speaker 1: This isn't. It was pretty bad what happened, but I'm 1388 01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:29,200 Speaker 1: super fortunate to have healed up as much as I 1389 01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:32,720 Speaker 1: have and everything. Yeah, get him in a lot worse 1390 01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:36,760 Speaker 1: because he could have added probably twenty pounds or who 1391 01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:39,000 Speaker 1: knows how many pounds of pressure would have taken and 1392 01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:43,200 Speaker 1: crushed your skull altogether. And yeah, which was very and 1393 01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:45,479 Speaker 1: it was like or you could have had your pepper 1394 01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:48,200 Speaker 1: sprain is stupid place. Yeah, well that's and that's why 1395 01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:49,519 Speaker 1: I said, I don't know if I had it in 1396 01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:53,080 Speaker 1: the right Maybe I didn't. Maybe, I mean, yeah, how 1397 01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:56,080 Speaker 1: do you Everybody puts it in a different place, And 1398 01:09:56,120 --> 01:09:58,280 Speaker 1: like you said, you practice and everything, but until you're 1399 01:09:58,280 --> 01:10:00,640 Speaker 1: actually in this situation. And I always knew I was 1400 01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:02,479 Speaker 1: going to run in because I run into black bears, 1401 01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:04,720 Speaker 1: so I always figured I would see a grizzly. Even 1402 01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:06,840 Speaker 1: though there's not a ton up in the cabinet yack area, 1403 01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:08,840 Speaker 1: there's still quite a few bears, so I always knew 1404 01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:11,040 Speaker 1: I would run into them. Never once did I think 1405 01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:12,840 Speaker 1: that one would be a loving fee for me, Like 1406 01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:16,920 Speaker 1: what what was the walk out? Like? Um? So it 1407 01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:19,320 Speaker 1: was mainly just me just trying to focus and I 1408 01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:22,439 Speaker 1: you know they say that you can use we need 1409 01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:27,240 Speaker 1: service because in Libby, Yeah, and it wasn't working. And 1410 01:10:27,240 --> 01:10:28,519 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's because I had a ton 1411 01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:30,880 Speaker 1: of trees and everything, but I had hit the end reach, 1412 01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:34,360 Speaker 1: and I was just I was literally just messaging anybody 1413 01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:37,240 Speaker 1: I could, just trying to remember, and I was looking 1414 01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:40,040 Speaker 1: around and I yelled pretty much the entire time, and 1415 01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:44,400 Speaker 1: I only had oh it was just cussing and yelling 1416 01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:47,519 Speaker 1: and screaming bear, I don't. I was literally yelling anything 1417 01:10:47,880 --> 01:10:49,400 Speaker 1: to try to keep the bear away or try to 1418 01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:52,720 Speaker 1: alert help, you know, to keep any more bears or 1419 01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:56,120 Speaker 1: moose from coming my way. The other thing done, You're 1420 01:10:56,160 --> 01:10:58,280 Speaker 1: done for the day. Yes, yeah. I turned around. I 1421 01:10:58,280 --> 01:11:01,160 Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I'm gonna step out the case, you know. 1422 01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:04,240 Speaker 1: So it was just me just I was like, I'm 1423 01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:06,320 Speaker 1: gonna make it out. And I just kept walking and 1424 01:11:06,439 --> 01:11:09,760 Speaker 1: just yelled and made as much noise as possible. And 1425 01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:12,800 Speaker 1: I mean I just screened my lungs off, which at 1426 01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:15,080 Speaker 1: the time I didn't really feel anything, but towards you know, 1427 01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:16,640 Speaker 1: the end, once I got to surgery and everything, my 1428 01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:19,280 Speaker 1: head was just throbbing. But when I was getting down 1429 01:11:19,280 --> 01:11:21,280 Speaker 1: to that bridge, because it's so loud down there, I 1430 01:11:21,320 --> 01:11:24,280 Speaker 1: just kept thinking, please, don't let another bear be down here. 1431 01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:26,559 Speaker 1: Just let me get out because I didn't I didn't 1432 01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:29,240 Speaker 1: have a second can of bear spray. It's only hand 1433 01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:33,040 Speaker 1: maybe half an inch if that. I barely had any 1434 01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:35,160 Speaker 1: bear spray lat But I've got that in my hand, 1435 01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:37,200 Speaker 1: and I've got my in reach in my hand, and 1436 01:11:37,240 --> 01:11:40,000 Speaker 1: I'm just yelling and screaming and if I can wacken 1437 01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:43,320 Speaker 1: trees with whatever, and cursing up a storm like this 1438 01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:46,479 Speaker 1: is my third day. And I thought I was literally 1439 01:11:46,520 --> 01:11:48,120 Speaker 1: like I would have find a moose shut out here 1440 01:11:48,240 --> 01:11:51,240 Speaker 1: right now, you know, just doing anything I can to 1441 01:11:51,479 --> 01:11:55,720 Speaker 1: just give myself. No. I was walking pretty fast, as 1442 01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:58,040 Speaker 1: fast as I could, so my balance was thrown off 1443 01:11:58,040 --> 01:12:00,599 Speaker 1: a little bit. I could see and I could hear 1444 01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:02,680 Speaker 1: for the most part out of my want my right ear, 1445 01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:05,240 Speaker 1: my good ear, um, but my balance was kind of 1446 01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:07,639 Speaker 1: thrown off some. So I was like, because he bit 1447 01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:09,360 Speaker 1: me on the side, I guess where your balance is 1448 01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:11,559 Speaker 1: and everything, and so they've been super worried about that, 1449 01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:14,400 Speaker 1: and and so I was off balance and could tell 1450 01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:16,479 Speaker 1: like I was a little off, so I kind of 1451 01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:18,200 Speaker 1: like spread my legs a little bit and walk in 1452 01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:20,160 Speaker 1: a different way. But I was walking as fast as 1453 01:12:20,200 --> 01:12:22,639 Speaker 1: I could just to get I needed to get out 1454 01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:24,559 Speaker 1: of there, and you got to your truck or car. 1455 01:12:24,760 --> 01:12:26,880 Speaker 1: I got to my truck. So we would work trucks 1456 01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:30,840 Speaker 1: that they gave us, and I took off my pack 1457 01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:33,760 Speaker 1: and put everything in there, and I actually took out 1458 01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:35,760 Speaker 1: a snack and I was like, well, they're probably not 1459 01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:37,720 Speaker 1: gonna let me eat at the hospital, so I better eat. 1460 01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:41,040 Speaker 1: Something got in my truck and I looked in the 1461 01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:43,160 Speaker 1: rear view and I was like, I don't need to 1462 01:12:43,200 --> 01:12:46,360 Speaker 1: see that started it up in the mirror my eyes. 1463 01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:49,479 Speaker 1: Oh you did, like examine. So when I was walking out, 1464 01:12:49,479 --> 01:12:52,360 Speaker 1: you know, you're talking about blood and everything, my nose 1465 01:12:52,479 --> 01:12:55,080 Speaker 1: was running like crazy and that that's about the only 1466 01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:58,280 Speaker 1: thing that I could tell running blood or No, it's 1467 01:12:58,360 --> 01:13:01,360 Speaker 1: just draining because you know, my ear had been and 1468 01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:02,960 Speaker 1: everything and where he had bit me, so it was 1469 01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:04,760 Speaker 1: just draining. And I was like, that's super weird. So 1470 01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:09,000 Speaker 1: I didn't know why, and then yeah, it was really 1471 01:13:09,080 --> 01:13:11,760 Speaker 1: and that's about the only thing. And attempted to look 1472 01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:13,880 Speaker 1: but just didn't want to look. Yeah, no, because I 1473 01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:17,360 Speaker 1: was like, well, I mean animal blood. I'm good with 1474 01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:19,519 Speaker 1: people blood. I'm fine, like I give blood and everything, 1475 01:13:19,560 --> 01:13:21,519 Speaker 1: but I'm like, you know, just in case, I don't 1476 01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:24,000 Speaker 1: need to pass out or anything, So I'll just started 1477 01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:26,840 Speaker 1: the truck up, put in reverse and got out. I 1478 01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:28,479 Speaker 1: just started driving out there, and like I said, I'm 1479 01:13:28,479 --> 01:13:33,920 Speaker 1: gonna like you're able to drive normal? Yeah, yeah, for 1480 01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:36,040 Speaker 1: the most part. I it was a little tough. Like 1481 01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:38,240 Speaker 1: I was sitting a little higher, sitting a little closer, 1482 01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:41,240 Speaker 1: just trying to make sure, rolled down my windows and 1483 01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:43,280 Speaker 1: just started honking my horn because I was like, there's 1484 01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:45,880 Speaker 1: gonna be somebody here. And I literally just laid on 1485 01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:48,120 Speaker 1: my horn. And then when I finally got to because 1486 01:13:48,120 --> 01:13:50,760 Speaker 1: I was on an old forestry road there too, I 1487 01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:52,920 Speaker 1: had kind of stopped, and once I finally got into 1488 01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:55,240 Speaker 1: the main road, which was all dirt, I was literally 1489 01:13:56,400 --> 01:13:58,919 Speaker 1: gunn did a little more and I was just honking, 1490 01:13:59,320 --> 01:14:02,200 Speaker 1: honking like crazy, looking for anybody because I figured there 1491 01:14:02,200 --> 01:14:04,519 Speaker 1: would be a bear hunter or somebody out there and 1492 01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:06,880 Speaker 1: end up, you know, I probably drove for three or 1493 01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:10,479 Speaker 1: four miles and ended up running into somebody. And he 1494 01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:12,400 Speaker 1: was way ahead of me, and he's got this huge 1495 01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:14,040 Speaker 1: dog in his truck and I'm pretty sure it was 1496 01:14:14,040 --> 01:14:15,840 Speaker 1: a bowl massive and the dog is hanging out of 1497 01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:18,120 Speaker 1: the passengers. He's like, hey, we should probably pull over, dad, 1498 01:14:18,160 --> 01:14:19,640 Speaker 1: Hey what are you doing? You know? And he's just 1499 01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:21,479 Speaker 1: hanging on the sea and I'm a honking my horn, 1500 01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:23,360 Speaker 1: honk my heart, trying get them pull over. Finally he 1501 01:14:23,400 --> 01:14:26,519 Speaker 1: pulls over. I pull over and I get out and 1502 01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:28,320 Speaker 1: put the truck and park, get out, and I just 1503 01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:30,439 Speaker 1: walked up to him and like, excuse me, and he 1504 01:14:30,479 --> 01:14:34,120 Speaker 1: looks at he goes, oh, dear, are you okay? I said, 1505 01:14:34,520 --> 01:14:36,880 Speaker 1: I got a text bikers lay beer. Could you maybe 1506 01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:39,400 Speaker 1: take me in the local hospital? And he goes, of course. 1507 01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:42,200 Speaker 1: And I went and turned off the truck, roll off 1508 01:14:42,200 --> 01:14:44,280 Speaker 1: on the windows, lock the truck, and put my keys 1509 01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:46,880 Speaker 1: in my pocket and I went and got in the vaca. 1510 01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:48,479 Speaker 1: He goes, I'm sorry, my dog is probably just gonna 1511 01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:50,000 Speaker 1: love on you. And he's like trying to hold him back. 1512 01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:52,519 Speaker 1: And he was a retired veteran and everything, so he'd 1513 01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:55,280 Speaker 1: been to the military, super nice, and um, he's just 1514 01:14:55,320 --> 01:14:57,040 Speaker 1: talking to me and just trying to keep me you know, 1515 01:14:57,040 --> 01:14:59,000 Speaker 1: he's talking about stuff. But I could try to administer 1516 01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:01,760 Speaker 1: any first aid. No, He's like, no, I'll get you there, 1517 01:15:02,160 --> 01:15:03,760 Speaker 1: he's like, And I was like, I hit my in reach, 1518 01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:05,360 Speaker 1: but I'm not sure if they're coming, Like I had 1519 01:15:05,360 --> 01:15:08,519 Speaker 1: no idea if anybody was coming. You hit that SLS 1520 01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:12,000 Speaker 1: button and they kept sending me text like are you okay? 1521 01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:14,560 Speaker 1: And and I'm like, no, I'm not okay, Like you 1522 01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:15,960 Speaker 1: hear that, How am I going to text you? I 1523 01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:17,640 Speaker 1: don't even have certain you know. And so I was 1524 01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:20,240 Speaker 1: super frustrated with that, and so he kind of knew 1525 01:15:20,240 --> 01:15:21,720 Speaker 1: what was going on, and he was just trying to 1526 01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:23,200 Speaker 1: get me there, and just you could tell him that 1527 01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:27,840 Speaker 1: doesn't inspect, you know, because you were talking it up. 1528 01:15:29,160 --> 01:15:32,080 Speaker 1: He was, yeah, because I think that enough, And like 1529 01:15:32,120 --> 01:15:33,519 Speaker 1: I said, I hit the end reach. I think he 1530 01:15:33,560 --> 01:15:36,040 Speaker 1: thought that the abudence was probably coming, you know. So, 1531 01:15:36,120 --> 01:15:39,160 Speaker 1: but minutes had gone by now gosh. So it took 1532 01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:41,679 Speaker 1: me an hour and a half, maybe hour and forty 1533 01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:43,920 Speaker 1: five minutes to get back down to my truck. So 1534 01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:47,519 Speaker 1: it'd probably been to almost two and a half hours 1535 01:15:47,560 --> 01:15:50,519 Speaker 1: at the time. We went for about a mile mile 1536 01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:53,320 Speaker 1: and a half, and ambulance we were like running into 1537 01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:55,320 Speaker 1: me and he's waving them down, waving them down, and 1538 01:15:55,320 --> 01:15:57,559 Speaker 1: then he finally pulled over and he's like, I got her. 1539 01:15:57,600 --> 01:15:59,800 Speaker 1: I got her, and they pulled over and everything, and 1540 01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:02,720 Speaker 1: I out out and what was their take on what 1541 01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:05,280 Speaker 1: they do? Oh? What, I guess what they're supposed to do. 1542 01:16:05,320 --> 01:16:07,200 Speaker 1: They're just like, okay, you gotta take off your jacket, okay, 1543 01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:09,120 Speaker 1: cutting off your shirt, and they just started, okay, we're 1544 01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:11,080 Speaker 1: gonna have to take off your you know, all your clothes, 1545 01:16:11,080 --> 01:16:13,080 Speaker 1: like let's kitchen and and they're just looking at me 1546 01:16:13,120 --> 01:16:15,880 Speaker 1: over and everything. And then they finally like they're asking 1547 01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:18,040 Speaker 1: me what happened and everything, and I was like, well, 1548 01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:19,439 Speaker 1: I was out there. Are you sure it was a 1549 01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:21,280 Speaker 1: gris of bear. Yes, it was a Crisso bear. I 1550 01:16:21,320 --> 01:16:23,160 Speaker 1: know it was, you know, And I was like, I 1551 01:16:23,200 --> 01:16:25,720 Speaker 1: know my bears. And they got me in there, and 1552 01:16:25,720 --> 01:16:30,439 Speaker 1: then I believe the sheriff and two other guys showed 1553 01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:32,559 Speaker 1: up while I was in the ambulance and they were 1554 01:16:32,600 --> 01:16:35,920 Speaker 1: asking me questions and about kind of what happened and everything, 1555 01:16:35,960 --> 01:16:37,960 Speaker 1: and I just told them and told him where it was, 1556 01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:40,080 Speaker 1: and they actually, if they believe us, that day, they 1557 01:16:40,160 --> 01:16:42,880 Speaker 1: ended up sending I don't know, at least eleven people 1558 01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:44,880 Speaker 1: up there to just kind of do a search to 1559 01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:46,600 Speaker 1: see if the bear had come back. And they have 1560 01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:49,120 Speaker 1: this whole protocol that they go through and they ended 1561 01:16:49,160 --> 01:16:51,280 Speaker 1: up collecting hair and that's how they were able to 1562 01:16:51,320 --> 01:16:53,880 Speaker 1: determine which bear it was. How was the decision made 1563 01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:56,240 Speaker 1: they were, how was the decision made to not kill 1564 01:16:56,320 --> 01:17:00,599 Speaker 1: the bear? Well, because if you didn't press charges, no, no, 1565 01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:04,000 Speaker 1: because it wasn't you know what I mean, usually want 1566 01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:07,760 Speaker 1: to bear get someone it's a dead bear. Uh, you know, 1567 01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:09,759 Speaker 1: I don't know, and I don't know all of the stories, 1568 01:17:09,800 --> 01:17:11,559 Speaker 1: and I don't know the whole protocol, but I do know. 1569 01:17:11,640 --> 01:17:13,080 Speaker 1: I mean, they did ask me, and I was like, well, 1570 01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:15,840 Speaker 1: it wasn't predatorial, I wasn't it. We just happened to 1571 01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:19,920 Speaker 1: run into each other, and and he was yeah, because 1572 01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:22,360 Speaker 1: I mean that's so I would. I don't want him 1573 01:17:22,360 --> 01:17:26,639 Speaker 1: to die. I mean it was so random and so rare, 1574 01:17:27,080 --> 01:17:29,280 Speaker 1: and the bear spray worked, so I think that has 1575 01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:31,479 Speaker 1: a whole play in it too. So he attacked me 1576 01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:34,960 Speaker 1: and something happened, but I survived and the bear spray worked, 1577 01:17:35,080 --> 01:17:37,519 Speaker 1: which mean and he's not a troubled bear, so they don't. 1578 01:17:37,680 --> 01:17:40,840 Speaker 1: They rarely see him except for the DNA stuff, and 1579 01:17:41,200 --> 01:17:43,920 Speaker 1: so there's no there's no other issues with him. I mean, 1580 01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:46,640 Speaker 1: there's no really reason to kill him, you know. So 1581 01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:48,760 Speaker 1: he's the first, I guess, the first offense kind of bear, 1582 01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:52,360 Speaker 1: which sounds I guess it doesn't sound terrible, but at 1583 01:17:52,360 --> 01:17:54,280 Speaker 1: the same time. It's like, who's to say that it's 1584 01:17:54,280 --> 01:17:56,000 Speaker 1: going to happen again. I mean, it was just such 1585 01:17:56,040 --> 01:18:00,360 Speaker 1: a rare occurrence. You know so well. Were you were 1586 01:18:00,439 --> 01:18:04,000 Speaker 1: involved in the discussion? Um? I did. They did ask me, 1587 01:18:04,240 --> 01:18:06,479 Speaker 1: and I told them. I told I don't know if 1588 01:18:06,479 --> 01:18:08,000 Speaker 1: I was involved, but I didnt tell them. I didn't 1589 01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:10,400 Speaker 1: want them to kill it, like I was the question 1590 01:18:10,439 --> 01:18:15,479 Speaker 1: to you, Oh gosh, well I was. I wasn't even 1591 01:18:15,479 --> 01:18:17,880 Speaker 1: in surgery. And they just kind of asked me. They 1592 01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:19,680 Speaker 1: asked me what happened, and they said, do you think 1593 01:18:19,720 --> 01:18:21,960 Speaker 1: it was predatorial? And I said no, I said, we 1594 01:18:22,040 --> 01:18:24,840 Speaker 1: just ran into each other. It was just wrong place, 1595 01:18:24,920 --> 01:18:27,519 Speaker 1: wrong time. Yeah, And then they kind of make the 1596 01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:29,439 Speaker 1: final decision. Like I said, the fact that he didn't 1597 01:18:29,439 --> 01:18:33,080 Speaker 1: come back to the site, wasn't searching, or wasn't still 1598 01:18:33,160 --> 01:18:36,000 Speaker 1: there trying to find me. I think puts it plays 1599 01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:38,200 Speaker 1: a big role in it. You know, what was his name? 1600 01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:42,960 Speaker 1: Seven seventy But I call him rat bastard? Am I 1601 01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:48,240 Speaker 1: allowed to say that. I mean, I didn't want him 1602 01:18:48,240 --> 01:18:50,960 Speaker 1: to die, but he's still you know, he still made 1603 01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:55,160 Speaker 1: me a little set right. You weren't exactly running at him. 1604 01:18:55,240 --> 01:18:59,840 Speaker 1: He could have just turned and walked away half him right. Yeah, 1605 01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:02,880 Speaker 1: I wasn't asking for his food whatever he was digging for. 1606 01:19:03,200 --> 01:19:07,720 Speaker 1: You know, what was the what was the surgery? They 1607 01:19:07,720 --> 01:19:12,200 Speaker 1: had to put your skin back together, um skin, skull, bones, 1608 01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:15,320 Speaker 1: kind of everything, a little plate in there they actually 1609 01:19:15,320 --> 01:19:17,880 Speaker 1: put So there's a bunch of screws and kind of 1610 01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:21,200 Speaker 1: they call them dog bones, but their bands or plates, 1611 01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:23,920 Speaker 1: and it's there's just a bunch in my left side, 1612 01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:26,200 Speaker 1: and then there's a bunch in the back on my 1613 01:19:26,280 --> 01:19:29,800 Speaker 1: left behind my ear, and yeah, they just that they 1614 01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:32,080 Speaker 1: had to do. So there's a bunch of broken pieces 1615 01:19:32,120 --> 01:19:34,200 Speaker 1: of my skull because you know, he had punctured my 1616 01:19:34,240 --> 01:19:36,479 Speaker 1: brain everything. And then they had to cut kind of 1617 01:19:36,479 --> 01:19:38,360 Speaker 1: like a moon shape on the left side of my 1618 01:19:38,439 --> 01:19:41,160 Speaker 1: skull just so that they could put the other pieces 1619 01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:43,360 Speaker 1: back together and then kind of put it all back together. 1620 01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:46,200 Speaker 1: So there's no there's like plates. They call them bones, 1621 01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:48,839 Speaker 1: but they look like bands. So it's just like screw 1622 01:19:49,280 --> 01:19:51,920 Speaker 1: band screw, screw band screw and it's just keeping all 1623 01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:55,519 Speaker 1: the pieces and everything together. How much time do you 1624 01:19:55,520 --> 01:19:59,320 Speaker 1: spend in the hospital. Only a week? Yeah, so that 1625 01:19:59,360 --> 01:20:02,760 Speaker 1: wasn't too bad. Now, what have you noticed from like 1626 01:20:03,160 --> 01:20:06,080 Speaker 1: because you punched into your brain. Do you notice differences now? 1627 01:20:06,320 --> 01:20:09,479 Speaker 1: I don't. I actually I was super fortunate that. I 1628 01:20:09,479 --> 01:20:12,080 Speaker 1: mean I didn't. I was a little nervous I was 1629 01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:16,120 Speaker 1: going to lose something. When someone tells you that, you 1630 01:20:16,479 --> 01:20:19,240 Speaker 1: started looking at yourself in a new way, like expecting 1631 01:20:19,320 --> 01:20:23,559 Speaker 1: some or hoping you don't find some. Like remember buddy 1632 01:20:23,560 --> 01:20:26,559 Speaker 1: of mine, you know, he'd crashed his bike real heart 1633 01:20:27,320 --> 01:20:31,800 Speaker 1: and had amnesia and was hospitalized, and he would later 1634 01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:36,080 Speaker 1: I'm totally fine, but now and then I'll be tying 1635 01:20:36,120 --> 01:20:39,320 Speaker 1: and not efficient not or something like that. I know 1636 01:20:39,400 --> 01:20:42,160 Speaker 1: that I know this, not you just can't. Did I 1637 01:20:42,240 --> 01:20:46,000 Speaker 1: normally forget it? Or is it related? Because I knew this, 1638 01:20:46,120 --> 01:20:48,519 Speaker 1: I've tied this a hundred times. Why can't I remember? 1639 01:20:49,320 --> 01:20:52,559 Speaker 1: And he was always like trying to find out what 1640 01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:55,200 Speaker 1: was just normal and what you know? Like what's normal 1641 01:20:55,439 --> 01:20:58,080 Speaker 1: and what's that you know? Well, I hate to sit 1642 01:20:58,120 --> 01:21:00,719 Speaker 1: around and think like that, but I I have lost 1643 01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:02,360 Speaker 1: a few things out in the woods, and I was 1644 01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:04,160 Speaker 1: wondering the other day. I was like, did I lose 1645 01:21:04,240 --> 01:21:06,160 Speaker 1: my and I don't even know what that would be. 1646 01:21:06,200 --> 01:21:09,040 Speaker 1: You're lost? And found common sense out the ones because 1647 01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:11,880 Speaker 1: I lost a couple of knives where one I just 1648 01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:14,800 Speaker 1: I had it in my range jacket pocket and I 1649 01:21:14,840 --> 01:21:16,559 Speaker 1: just walked a couple of steps and I was out 1650 01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:19,360 Speaker 1: in the snow and it fell out, and so I 1651 01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:21,559 Speaker 1: was and I couldn't find it. It just like gone 1652 01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:23,479 Speaker 1: deep in the snow. And then one point I lost 1653 01:21:23,479 --> 01:21:26,000 Speaker 1: the water bottle and a flannel and another knife, and 1654 01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:27,720 Speaker 1: I was like, what the heck is going on with me? 1655 01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:31,040 Speaker 1: Has not been bitten in the head by a bear 1656 01:21:31,640 --> 01:21:34,679 Speaker 1: and that dude he's got to bring out like four 1657 01:21:34,720 --> 01:21:36,639 Speaker 1: stats of clothing when he goes out for a week 1658 01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:46,840 Speaker 1: long elcohant. So you don't feel like, um, everything moves normal. Yeah, 1659 01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:49,479 Speaker 1: I am still So I'm still in recovery. I mean 1660 01:21:49,520 --> 01:21:51,400 Speaker 1: it has a spirit. There'll be a year in May 1661 01:21:51,479 --> 01:21:56,000 Speaker 1: and I'm still in recovery. And definitely hiking is it's 1662 01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:58,679 Speaker 1: definitely a lot. And I don't know if that's mainly 1663 01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:01,080 Speaker 1: because like I can't here out of my ear soul 1664 01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:03,639 Speaker 1: everything that you guys feel like when you're out hiking 1665 01:22:03,640 --> 01:22:05,360 Speaker 1: you feel in your chest, and everything I feel in 1666 01:22:05,400 --> 01:22:06,920 Speaker 1: my head. I used to feel a lot more in 1667 01:22:07,000 --> 01:22:09,960 Speaker 1: the beginning, like the pulse and everything I could just 1668 01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:12,360 Speaker 1: feel in my head. It was like just pounding in 1669 01:22:12,439 --> 01:22:15,639 Speaker 1: my head and in my chest from hiking and walking around. 1670 01:22:15,840 --> 01:22:17,960 Speaker 1: I don't feel it as much, but I do still 1671 01:22:18,080 --> 01:22:21,160 Speaker 1: feel it. So I'm on a strenuous hike and I do. 1672 01:22:21,280 --> 01:22:23,280 Speaker 1: I have to take kind of more breaks than I 1673 01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:25,639 Speaker 1: would normally have to take, So there's things like that. 1674 01:22:25,680 --> 01:22:28,840 Speaker 1: But I hope with time it'll just eventually like I'll 1675 01:22:28,880 --> 01:22:31,160 Speaker 1: be at a maintenance level where either I have to 1676 01:22:31,160 --> 01:22:32,639 Speaker 1: do that or I won't have to do it anymore, 1677 01:22:32,720 --> 01:22:34,280 Speaker 1: or I'll still have to kind of in the middle, 1678 01:22:34,439 --> 01:22:37,479 Speaker 1: you know. But than that, I mean, in the hearing 1679 01:22:37,640 --> 01:22:42,000 Speaker 1: that was a huge, um new thing to learn. And 1680 01:22:42,080 --> 01:22:45,439 Speaker 1: you're hearing is back now. No, it's gone forever. No 1681 01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:49,400 Speaker 1: more hearing in my left ear just dead. YEA. To 1682 01:22:49,479 --> 01:22:53,240 Speaker 1: throw off your equilibrium, um a little bit throw it 1683 01:22:53,240 --> 01:22:57,200 Speaker 1: definitely throws off like location, so I can't try to 1684 01:22:57,240 --> 01:22:59,519 Speaker 1: locate stuff. Blue grouse hunting to be out for you, 1685 01:23:00,200 --> 01:23:05,720 Speaker 1: like you don't know where a gobble. Yeah, I mean, 1686 01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:07,639 Speaker 1: I was fortunate, So I actually did do some hunting 1687 01:23:07,720 --> 01:23:10,320 Speaker 1: last September, and I was fortunate enough, and it was 1688 01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:12,600 Speaker 1: good because I didn't have any hearing aids at the 1689 01:23:12,640 --> 01:23:15,160 Speaker 1: time and so just trying to locate and everything. My 1690 01:23:15,200 --> 01:23:17,160 Speaker 1: dad would be like, it's over there, like he's calling. 1691 01:23:17,439 --> 01:23:19,080 Speaker 1: I was like, no, I'm pretty sure it's over there, 1692 01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:22,040 Speaker 1: And so was a whole It was stressful, but just 1693 01:23:22,120 --> 01:23:24,000 Speaker 1: having to I mean you basically just got to re 1694 01:23:24,040 --> 01:23:27,040 Speaker 1: teach yourself. And the hearing aids help some. And there's 1695 01:23:27,080 --> 01:23:29,360 Speaker 1: another hearing aid that I could get, but I probably 1696 01:23:29,400 --> 01:23:32,880 Speaker 1: won't because I have to get another surgery and everything. Um, 1697 01:23:32,920 --> 01:23:36,920 Speaker 1: but I mean it's just learning how to relocate stuff 1698 01:23:36,920 --> 01:23:38,960 Speaker 1: with just one. I mean people do it all the time, right, 1699 01:23:38,960 --> 01:23:41,400 Speaker 1: and you figure it out. You trust what was the 1700 01:23:41,479 --> 01:23:44,880 Speaker 1: injury that took your hearing in your left ear? So 1701 01:23:44,920 --> 01:23:46,800 Speaker 1: it was my and they don't know for sure how 1702 01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:49,719 Speaker 1: it happened, but my inner ear. And they can't fix 1703 01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:51,240 Speaker 1: your inner ear, so that's the only part of the 1704 01:23:51,280 --> 01:23:54,000 Speaker 1: year that they can't do surgery or fix or anything. 1705 01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:56,439 Speaker 1: And that's what got broken. So basically all the hairs 1706 01:23:56,479 --> 01:23:59,639 Speaker 1: and folecules and everything that's in there are just dead 1707 01:23:59,720 --> 01:24:03,519 Speaker 1: and their never going to come back. So there's no yeah, 1708 01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:06,000 Speaker 1: there's no nothing, which is crazy because you think about 1709 01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:09,280 Speaker 1: where your inner ear was. I mean, his teeth really 1710 01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:12,240 Speaker 1: had to have been far in there and I just 1711 01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:17,719 Speaker 1: I mean, but didn't shred your ear. No, it's so weird. 1712 01:24:18,160 --> 01:24:21,960 Speaker 1: I mean, the whole thing is, how many crazy media 1713 01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:27,479 Speaker 1: requests did you get? Media media like interview requests? Um, 1714 01:24:29,280 --> 01:24:31,760 Speaker 1: I don't even know. At least probably at least ten. 1715 01:24:32,240 --> 01:24:36,360 Speaker 1: The first couple of weeks, I got one from one 1716 01:24:36,360 --> 01:24:39,880 Speaker 1: of those big talk shows over in New York morning 1717 01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:42,320 Speaker 1: talk shows or something, and they were like, we want 1718 01:24:42,320 --> 01:24:45,240 Speaker 1: to talk to you tomorrow tomorrow morning, and we're gonna 1719 01:24:45,240 --> 01:24:47,200 Speaker 1: put you on the set. And I was like, no, No, 1720 01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:50,160 Speaker 1: this isn't happening. Like I'm still I still staple in 1721 01:24:50,200 --> 01:24:53,200 Speaker 1: my head. No. And that's nobody's ever offered me any 1722 01:24:53,280 --> 01:24:55,000 Speaker 1: which I don't, you know, I don't really need that. 1723 01:24:55,080 --> 01:24:57,080 Speaker 1: I was curious, not so much like I'm just curious 1724 01:24:57,080 --> 01:24:59,360 Speaker 1: if that's how they operate or not. Um, you know, 1725 01:24:59,400 --> 01:25:01,320 Speaker 1: I don't know. I also I don't really ask for 1726 01:25:01,360 --> 01:25:03,240 Speaker 1: money either, because I'm like, well, I'll do it, you know, 1727 01:25:03,320 --> 01:25:05,800 Speaker 1: but it's got to be under the right circumstances. I'm 1728 01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:07,720 Speaker 1: really picky on the interviews and things that I do 1729 01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:10,839 Speaker 1: because I don't want anybody to turn my story into something. 1730 01:25:11,960 --> 01:25:14,880 Speaker 1: She loved bears and then she got attacked by bears 1731 01:25:14,920 --> 01:25:16,920 Speaker 1: and now she wants to still work for bears and 1732 01:25:17,640 --> 01:25:20,679 Speaker 1: that's just not me. You can spend a thousand yards 1733 01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:22,720 Speaker 1: on it, man, or you feel like she had done 1734 01:25:22,760 --> 01:25:26,120 Speaker 1: some bear hunting in the past. Yeah, well people hate that. 1735 01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:31,400 Speaker 1: This is Carl. Yeah, so yeah, there was quite a few. 1736 01:25:31,439 --> 01:25:33,880 Speaker 1: Like I said, I even get hit now on that. 1737 01:25:34,040 --> 01:25:36,439 Speaker 1: What did I say? It was? Oh? I was prey. 1738 01:25:36,720 --> 01:25:39,920 Speaker 1: I wasn't prey. He like a TV show? Yeah, he 1739 01:25:39,960 --> 01:25:43,479 Speaker 1: didn't hunt me? Because what channel was it? It was? 1740 01:25:43,520 --> 01:25:46,679 Speaker 1: I think it was a Discovery channel. I am pray, yeah, 1741 01:25:46,840 --> 01:25:50,880 Speaker 1: or I was prayer? Yeah, I was like, now, yeah, 1742 01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:54,280 Speaker 1: well I'm not I wasn't pray. I think their definition 1743 01:25:54,320 --> 01:25:57,479 Speaker 1: of prey is very different though my definition. So you're 1744 01:25:57,520 --> 01:26:02,160 Speaker 1: not like, um, you really uh, you're not really interested 1745 01:26:02,200 --> 01:26:05,080 Speaker 1: in the limelight. No, why did you come talk to us. 1746 01:26:05,400 --> 01:26:08,240 Speaker 1: I'm surprised he did well because I don't know, you 1747 01:26:08,240 --> 01:26:10,600 Speaker 1: guys are super well known and I love listening to 1748 01:26:10,600 --> 01:26:12,760 Speaker 1: your podcast, and you guys are really educational and you 1749 01:26:12,760 --> 01:26:16,679 Speaker 1: bring in educational people and so it's it's a different interview. 1750 01:26:16,720 --> 01:26:19,080 Speaker 1: I mean, you're not asking me to cry and tear 1751 01:26:19,200 --> 01:26:21,360 Speaker 1: up and talk. You know, you just want to hear 1752 01:26:21,400 --> 01:26:24,040 Speaker 1: my story, and you're asking questions and you're insightful, and 1753 01:26:24,080 --> 01:26:25,400 Speaker 1: so it's not like you don't want to make it 1754 01:26:25,439 --> 01:26:28,040 Speaker 1: a big emotional mess. You don't feel the urge to 1755 01:26:28,120 --> 01:26:39,479 Speaker 1: cry right now? Really, okay, if okay, if you could 1756 01:26:39,520 --> 01:26:41,120 Speaker 1: go back to that day, you know this, you know 1757 01:26:41,120 --> 01:26:43,519 Speaker 1: what I'm gonna ask you now, But if you go 1758 01:26:43,600 --> 01:26:47,400 Speaker 1: back to that day, would you still get out of 1759 01:26:47,400 --> 01:26:51,120 Speaker 1: the truck and go off the trail? Yeah? Really? Really well, 1760 01:26:51,160 --> 01:26:53,559 Speaker 1: because I mean if I'm going back, So if I'm 1761 01:26:53,600 --> 01:26:56,360 Speaker 1: going back to this day, right, am I going back 1762 01:26:56,400 --> 01:26:59,800 Speaker 1: to this day and knowing what you now know, knowing 1763 01:26:59,840 --> 01:27:01,720 Speaker 1: that I was gonna get So I'm going back knowing 1764 01:27:01,760 --> 01:27:05,840 Speaker 1: that I'm gonna get attacked. Yeah, oh that's tough, But no, 1765 01:27:05,960 --> 01:27:09,280 Speaker 1: I'd probably still feel because what if it didn't Actually, 1766 01:27:09,439 --> 01:27:15,479 Speaker 1: what if you found something in it? I mean, you 1767 01:27:15,520 --> 01:27:16,879 Speaker 1: have to be a hell of a lot more confident. 1768 01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:18,519 Speaker 1: Not that you weren't confident. Then it sounds like you 1769 01:27:18,560 --> 01:27:23,320 Speaker 1: really were confident and competent, but you're foraged by fire. Now, 1770 01:27:23,840 --> 01:27:27,200 Speaker 1: well that's true. I don't know because even though if 1771 01:27:27,200 --> 01:27:30,360 Speaker 1: I'm going out there knowing that I'm going to get attacked. 1772 01:27:30,640 --> 01:27:32,880 Speaker 1: I could say that, but you could. That's like driving 1773 01:27:32,920 --> 01:27:34,280 Speaker 1: your car knowing that you're going to get in a 1774 01:27:34,320 --> 01:27:37,960 Speaker 1: car accident. I wouldn't drive it. Ever. What I mean 1775 01:27:38,040 --> 01:27:43,799 Speaker 1: is this, um was it so was? Was the life 1776 01:27:43,880 --> 01:27:48,479 Speaker 1: lesson or whatever? The experience so exhilarating, the life lesson 1777 01:27:48,560 --> 01:27:51,560 Speaker 1: so valuable, the things you learned about yourself so important 1778 01:27:52,360 --> 01:27:56,640 Speaker 1: that you would take the getting bit and the surgery 1779 01:27:56,760 --> 01:28:00,200 Speaker 1: and the loss of your ear as payment or the 1780 01:28:00,240 --> 01:28:05,640 Speaker 1: experience or was it not worth it? No, it was 1781 01:28:05,680 --> 01:28:08,080 Speaker 1: worth it. I mean I learned, you learned a ton 1782 01:28:08,160 --> 01:28:11,320 Speaker 1: about yourself. How often do people get attacked or you know, 1783 01:28:11,360 --> 01:28:14,120 Speaker 1: they get into something, And so many people have told me, 1784 01:28:14,160 --> 01:28:15,840 Speaker 1: they're like, I wouldn't have been able to make it out, 1785 01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:17,840 Speaker 1: And I said, you probably would have. You just you 1786 01:28:17,880 --> 01:28:20,599 Speaker 1: don't know at the time. And I mean I survived. 1787 01:28:20,640 --> 01:28:22,760 Speaker 1: I was bound and determined to get out. I was 1788 01:28:22,800 --> 01:28:24,920 Speaker 1: going to get out, and I've learned a lot, Like 1789 01:28:24,960 --> 01:28:28,000 Speaker 1: I thought. I definitely thought I was gonna be back 1790 01:28:28,040 --> 01:28:30,240 Speaker 1: to work in a month. Well after being in that hospital. 1791 01:28:30,280 --> 01:28:32,720 Speaker 1: I could barely walk around the hospital just because I 1792 01:28:32,760 --> 01:28:36,120 Speaker 1: was so weak from all the meds and not eating 1793 01:28:36,120 --> 01:28:37,960 Speaker 1: and everything they give you and you're in there for 1794 01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:40,720 Speaker 1: so long and just walking up my parents driveway. Of 1795 01:28:40,720 --> 01:28:43,000 Speaker 1: course they have a you know, a slated driveway, and 1796 01:28:43,040 --> 01:28:47,120 Speaker 1: every was tough for me, and but I figured out 1797 01:28:47,200 --> 01:28:49,400 Speaker 1: what I can do and what I can't do. And granted, 1798 01:28:49,439 --> 01:28:52,680 Speaker 1: the hearing loss is it sucks. It's really hard, but 1799 01:28:52,760 --> 01:28:56,080 Speaker 1: I am learning so much about myself and learning things 1800 01:28:56,080 --> 01:28:58,880 Speaker 1: about my friends and about people and how people really 1801 01:28:58,920 --> 01:29:02,120 Speaker 1: interact together. And I think it's done nothing. But but 1802 01:29:02,560 --> 01:29:03,880 Speaker 1: I mean, I want to still want to be a 1803 01:29:03,880 --> 01:29:05,960 Speaker 1: bear manager. I still want to work with bears. I 1804 01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:10,040 Speaker 1: want I have more education now from this bear biting 1805 01:29:10,080 --> 01:29:12,720 Speaker 1: me on the head than I probably did before. And 1806 01:29:12,840 --> 01:29:15,040 Speaker 1: I feel like I can help people out more and 1807 01:29:15,320 --> 01:29:18,160 Speaker 1: teach them and and do something with my experience to 1808 01:29:18,200 --> 01:29:20,599 Speaker 1: help them survive and know that they can. I mean, 1809 01:29:20,640 --> 01:29:23,439 Speaker 1: you can. It's and know that it will happen. You know. 1810 01:29:23,560 --> 01:29:26,639 Speaker 1: We just sometimes we get complacent and we're out there 1811 01:29:26,680 --> 01:29:28,760 Speaker 1: and we're not always thinking because we just get so 1812 01:29:28,840 --> 01:29:30,720 Speaker 1: involved in the woods. But you do, you have to 1813 01:29:30,760 --> 01:29:34,160 Speaker 1: remember that there's other things out there that Yeah, I 1814 01:29:34,200 --> 01:29:36,000 Speaker 1: bet you won't have a problem with vigilance for a 1815 01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:40,679 Speaker 1: long time. I hope. Uh. The happy part of the story. 1816 01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:44,840 Speaker 1: Not not that any of this is particularly sad. Um. 1817 01:29:45,640 --> 01:29:48,840 Speaker 1: I don't like it that you lost the hearing in 1818 01:29:48,880 --> 01:29:50,680 Speaker 1: your ear and that you had to have surgery and 1819 01:29:50,720 --> 01:29:52,559 Speaker 1: had such a disruption in your life. But it's like 1820 01:29:52,680 --> 01:29:56,800 Speaker 1: uplifting because because you're who you are, right and you 1821 01:29:56,840 --> 01:29:59,280 Speaker 1: have the attitude you have yea, which for me, from 1822 01:29:59,280 --> 01:30:01,800 Speaker 1: sitting to my seat, I'm like, Wow, this is like 1823 01:30:01,880 --> 01:30:04,120 Speaker 1: it's phenomenal that that's your approach and that you don't 1824 01:30:04,240 --> 01:30:12,080 Speaker 1: harbor animosity toward bears is pretty remarkable. Um. And then 1825 01:30:12,120 --> 01:30:14,200 Speaker 1: you wound up. We talked about this earlier. You got 1826 01:30:14,240 --> 01:30:17,920 Speaker 1: a job. I did a regular job, yea, a real 1827 01:30:18,000 --> 01:30:21,679 Speaker 1: adult job with bears. Yeah. So I got the East 1828 01:30:21,680 --> 01:30:26,479 Speaker 1: pan Handle bearer biologist position. And so it's bearing management yep, 1829 01:30:26,600 --> 01:30:29,880 Speaker 1: in Florida, and it's doing bearer management. Really what I 1830 01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:34,400 Speaker 1: want to do educating the public and um, managing you know, bears. 1831 01:30:34,439 --> 01:30:35,960 Speaker 1: And they have they have a ton of issues. They've 1832 01:30:35,960 --> 01:30:38,599 Speaker 1: got four thousand black bears throughout the entire state, roughly 1833 01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:40,639 Speaker 1: throughout the entire state of Florida. So there's a lot 1834 01:30:40,640 --> 01:30:43,000 Speaker 1: of bears and there's a lot of people. And so 1835 01:30:43,560 --> 01:30:46,240 Speaker 1: they lost their bear season yeah, or kind of comes 1836 01:30:46,360 --> 01:30:49,759 Speaker 1: ebbs and flows, but yeah, which you know isn't always 1837 01:30:49,760 --> 01:30:51,840 Speaker 1: I mean, hunting. I love hunting, and I'm a huge 1838 01:30:51,840 --> 01:30:53,840 Speaker 1: promoter for it, but it's not always the answer when 1839 01:30:53,840 --> 01:30:57,040 Speaker 1: it comes to conflict and issues. I mean, there's there's 1840 01:30:57,080 --> 01:31:00,639 Speaker 1: a lot of other stuff and fencing and just educating 1841 01:31:00,640 --> 01:31:03,240 Speaker 1: the public and letting them know, you know, hey, your 1842 01:31:03,280 --> 01:31:05,600 Speaker 1: garbage can isn't right. Let's let's get this fix. Are 1843 01:31:05,600 --> 01:31:08,400 Speaker 1: you dealing with on the ground reality, Like whatever is 1844 01:31:08,400 --> 01:31:10,920 Speaker 1: happening politically or ever around the bear hunts, you still 1845 01:31:10,960 --> 01:31:14,400 Speaker 1: got bears, You still got people, right, Yeah, so it'll 1846 01:31:14,439 --> 01:31:16,280 Speaker 1: be a good job. I'm excited. Are you gonna be 1847 01:31:16,280 --> 01:31:21,000 Speaker 1: doing some Harrisnaring counting genetic work? No? Probably not so. 1848 01:31:21,040 --> 01:31:24,240 Speaker 1: Our research in Florida normally does some of that, but 1849 01:31:24,320 --> 01:31:26,400 Speaker 1: I did so when I was there previously a couple 1850 01:31:26,400 --> 01:31:28,360 Speaker 1: of years ago. So I'm actually moving back to the 1851 01:31:28,400 --> 01:31:32,320 Speaker 1: place where I did capture in telemetry work and monitored 1852 01:31:32,320 --> 01:31:35,000 Speaker 1: all of our salves with cubs and everything. So I'm 1853 01:31:35,040 --> 01:31:36,760 Speaker 1: super excited about that. And we didn't you know, we 1854 01:31:36,840 --> 01:31:39,360 Speaker 1: collected hair for DNA and we tattooed um and put 1855 01:31:39,400 --> 01:31:41,599 Speaker 1: collars on and then all the cubs had collars, which 1856 01:31:41,680 --> 01:31:45,000 Speaker 1: was really awesome monitoring all these cubs running around. And 1857 01:31:45,320 --> 01:31:46,960 Speaker 1: so I know a lot about the area. So I'm 1858 01:31:46,960 --> 01:31:49,000 Speaker 1: super excited, and I know some of the bears. I'm 1859 01:31:49,000 --> 01:31:50,760 Speaker 1: sure there's some of them are still around. You know, 1860 01:31:51,040 --> 01:31:55,000 Speaker 1: it a state position, it is, yeah, health care, Yeah, 1861 01:31:55,080 --> 01:31:57,360 Speaker 1: so they do. They provide benefits, but the kind of 1862 01:31:57,400 --> 01:31:59,559 Speaker 1: the way their system works is, I don't I don't 1863 01:31:59,560 --> 01:32:02,080 Speaker 1: give a Asian days. But once I'm there for a year, 1864 01:32:02,120 --> 01:32:04,360 Speaker 1: then I'll get vacation, which is kind of actually normal, 1865 01:32:04,400 --> 01:32:06,519 Speaker 1: I guess for some agencies. You know, you don't get 1866 01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:10,120 Speaker 1: vacation until you've been there for a while. So but yeah, 1867 01:32:10,439 --> 01:32:13,680 Speaker 1: good for you, thank you, you made it. You're a 1868 01:32:13,680 --> 01:32:18,439 Speaker 1: full fledged wildlife person. You're not an account I'm not 1869 01:32:18,479 --> 01:32:24,160 Speaker 1: a tech. You still got hearing in your right here. Yeah, 1870 01:32:24,560 --> 01:32:26,880 Speaker 1: thanks for calling on. Thank you, thank you for having me. 1871 01:32:26,960 --> 01:32:28,679 Speaker 1: Do you any final things you want to wedge in there? 1872 01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:34,400 Speaker 1: Concluders Only concluder is I'm a huge supporter of the 1873 01:32:34,400 --> 01:32:37,880 Speaker 1: Western Bear Foundation, so everybody should kind of look into that. Dude. 1874 01:32:37,880 --> 01:32:40,160 Speaker 1: We're doing an event in Boise I'm pretty excited about. 1875 01:32:40,240 --> 01:32:43,000 Speaker 1: And they have a bear Relief Fund which is awesome, 1876 01:32:43,360 --> 01:32:45,280 Speaker 1: and it's for anybody who gets attacked by a bear, 1877 01:32:45,400 --> 01:32:47,200 Speaker 1: has any conflicts, and we're definitely gonna try to help 1878 01:32:47,240 --> 01:32:49,400 Speaker 1: him out as much as we can. Just super awesome 1879 01:32:49,439 --> 01:32:51,519 Speaker 1: because there was a ton of attacks last year, so 1880 01:32:51,800 --> 01:32:53,720 Speaker 1: hopefully we don't have that again, but we definitely wanta 1881 01:32:53,720 --> 01:32:56,960 Speaker 1: able to help help people out. So it's good. Yeah, 1882 01:32:57,880 --> 01:33:01,519 Speaker 1: that's your plug, that's my plan. Calls again. Western Bear Foundation. 1883 01:33:01,720 --> 01:33:04,639 Speaker 1: They got a website. Yeah you do and barely fun, 1884 01:33:05,600 --> 01:33:12,639 Speaker 1: very really fun to help offset costs associated with with bears. Yeah, 1885 01:33:12,760 --> 01:33:15,400 Speaker 1: any hospital bills or anything. We would definitely love to 1886 01:33:15,400 --> 01:33:18,000 Speaker 1: help out and be able to donate some some funds 1887 01:33:18,080 --> 01:33:20,800 Speaker 1: for people who get attacked or have issues and in 1888 01:33:20,840 --> 01:33:25,759 Speaker 1: your case, expertise funds and expertise. I don't know about experty, 1889 01:33:25,800 --> 01:33:29,639 Speaker 1: but we'll see you got anything. No, I'm good. Thanks 1890 01:33:29,680 --> 01:33:31,720 Speaker 1: for coming. That was that was a great. Yeah, I'm 1891 01:33:31,760 --> 01:33:33,640 Speaker 1: so glad you came to talk to us. Thank you 1892 01:33:33,680 --> 01:33:36,280 Speaker 1: for having me. I really appreciate it. Yeah, don't go 1893 01:33:36,360 --> 01:33:40,920 Speaker 1: doing in stupid TV show. Okay, Well be more careful, 1894 01:33:41,680 --> 01:34:02,519 Speaker 1: I'll try, all right. Thank you. S