1 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:05,800 Speaker 1: Hi, going everybody. I'm Dan Horde and this is the 2 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 1: Bengals Booth Podcast. Bye Bye Bye edition. Yes, I just 3 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: named an episode of the podcast after an N Sync song, 4 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:17,920 Speaker 1: which is a bit of a credibility killer. But hey, 5 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: I happen to think that Justin Timberlake is one of 6 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: the most talented people on the planet and that he 7 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 1: and Jimmy Fallon should co host the Oscars. And I 8 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: am totally going off on a tangent. Where were we? 9 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 1: It's the Bengals Bye week, and on this episode of 10 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: the podcast, I'll talk to my broadcast partner Dave Lapham 11 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:41,279 Speaker 1: about a wide variety of topics, including the possibility of 12 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:45,200 Speaker 1: Hugh Jackson returning to the Bengals in some capacity this 13 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: year after being fired in Cleveland. I'll also go one 14 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 1: on one with first round draft pick Billy Price, who 15 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: could be back from his foot injury when the Bengals 16 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 1: return to action a week from Sunday against the Saints. 17 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 1: And we'll visit with the back who had the highest 18 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: passer rating ever in a Super Bowl. No, it's not 19 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: Joe Montana, Tom Brady or Terry Bradshaw. Stick around to 20 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:13,400 Speaker 1: find out who it is. All of that is straight ahead. 21 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 1: But first, here's a quick reminder that you can have 22 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: the latest edition of this podcast delivered right to your phone, tablet, 23 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:24,559 Speaker 1: or computer by subscribing on iTunes, Stitcher, or pod Bean. 24 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: It's the greatest invention since the NFL by week. I 25 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:34,040 Speaker 1: love my job and can honestly say that I feel 26 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 1: like I have never worked a day in my life. 27 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 1: But this Sunday, after hopefully calling a Bearcat's win over 28 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: Navy on Saturday, I am looking forward to watching football 29 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: in the family room with my son, eating a ton 30 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: of unhealthy food, and enjoying a frosty beverage. I also 31 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 1: hope it's the last weekend without a Bengals football game 32 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: until mid February, unless, of course, they earned a first 33 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: round playoff. All right, enough rambling, time to talk football 34 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 1: with Dave Lapple. The Cleveland Browns fired Hugh Jackson on 35 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 1: Monday with a three thirty six and one record in 36 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 1: two and a half years. Yikes. We know he was 37 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: close to Marvin Lewis and well liked by Mike Brown. 38 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: What are the odds that Hugh Jackson returns to Cincinnati 39 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: in some role this year? I think they're decent. You know, 40 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: I think Marvin and Hure like brothers really, And when 41 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: you look at it, the Bengals still have to play 42 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns twice in a five week span. And 43 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 1: what better source of information for the Cleveland Browns than 44 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 1: the former head coach that was coaching them this year. 45 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:41,519 Speaker 1: I mean, he can get up and give a dissertation 46 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 1: to any one of the three phases and give valuable information. 47 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:49,079 Speaker 1: Plus the fact that when he game planned against the Steelers, 48 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:52,920 Speaker 1: they tied, you know, and he knows Baltimore intimately, he 49 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 1: knows Cleveland intimately, he knows the Pittsburgh Steelers intimately. Haven't 50 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: been a head coach as well as an assistant in 51 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:02,359 Speaker 1: this division, but coach now as well the last two 52 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: games of the season on the road, Cleveland and Pittsburgh. 53 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: What's wrong with having another good football coach with a 54 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: very bright mind game planning making suggestions. I could see 55 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:16,799 Speaker 1: special consultant to the head coach. I'm not saying assistant 56 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 1: head coach, but special consultant to the head coach, whatever 57 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: it may be. And uh and just you know, use 58 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 1: him in that regard. Just another guy in the meeting 59 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:28,239 Speaker 1: rooms with suggestions. Guys, you know, what really worked when 60 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: we played Pittsburgh. This, This really worked. Maybe we can 61 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:32,359 Speaker 1: think of this concept. We have the personnel to think 62 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: of this concept. Those kind of things are invaluable. And 63 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: why not do it with a guy that you know, 64 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 1: I think would come in and not cause a bunch 65 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: of waves. Joe Mixon had a career high one hundred 66 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 1: twenty three yards against Tampa Bay on twenty one carries. 67 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: For the year lap he's averaging four point eight yards 68 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: per carry. That is better than Todd Gurley, as Zekiel Elliott, 69 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: and Kareem Hunt, among others. What's Joe doing well? Where 70 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: can he be better? You know, Joe has proven that 71 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: he's a cleep back. I mean his size speed ratio. 72 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: He's a freak two hundred and twenty five pounds plus 73 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: to be able to run the way he runs. He 74 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 1: can catch the football. He heard him though, when he 75 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: tried to one hand catch that screen pass. That's a 76 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: habit that he has. He doesn't have to use just 77 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: one hand. He has to break that habit. He's done 78 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 1: it so much, you know, it's like muscle memory. Now 79 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: he can't be doing that anymore. He will block and 80 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:25,280 Speaker 1: blitz pick up the one flying. The ointment in my 81 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 1: mind is that, particularly when it's third and short, fourth 82 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 1: and short, hit it, don't hit it, stop, think, and 83 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: even retreat. And three instances in the last game when 84 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: he had set his career high, he was a yard 85 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:43,600 Speaker 1: passed the line of scrimmage, retreated and tried to bounce 86 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 1: lower those pads. You're two hundred and twenty five plus pounds, 87 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: hammere it. Get the two or three yards, move the chains. 88 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 1: You don't have to hit a grand Slam every every carry, 89 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 1: and you know, keep working on your vision. I don't 90 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:59,239 Speaker 1: think he has the greatest natural vision of any running 91 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 1: back in the league. And that's something that you either 92 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: have or don't. There's instincts there that are natural, but 93 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: it can be improved, and I think Joe needs to, 94 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: you know, work, work on that part of it. You know. 95 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: That would be the other thing that as I watch 96 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,160 Speaker 1: him run the football, because he's a he's a naturally 97 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 1: gifted cutback runner, all those kinds of things, but sometimes 98 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: you know, you wonder why he does it when he 99 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: does it, he picks and chooses at odd times. Sometimes. 100 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 1: The Bengals have as many significant injuries as any team 101 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 1: in the NFL. Who do you think will be back 102 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:32,599 Speaker 1: immediately after the buy and what guys are likely to 103 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 1: be out for a little while longer. Well, I think 104 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 1: the guy that probably has the best chance of coming 105 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 1: back immediately after the buy physically is Billy Price. I 106 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 1: think he's he already practiced limited even before the game 107 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, so he's tracking in the 108 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 1: right direction. But I would make sure that he's back 109 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: and ready. Not just back, I mean physically ready and 110 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:55,919 Speaker 1: ready to play. I mean he hasn't played football in 111 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 1: a couple of months. And you know the thing is, 112 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: Trey Hopkins is playing good football. I thought the interior 113 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: of the offensive line, including Westerman, acquitted themselves well against 114 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: Tampa Bay. I thought Redman had his best game. He 115 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:13,479 Speaker 1: didn't give up a pressure the whole game. So I 116 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: would be smart with Billy Price. Giovanni Bernard might be 117 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:20,159 Speaker 1: my next available candidate, but I'm not sure he'll be 118 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 1: ready for New Orleans, but it'll be it'll be shortly thereafter. 119 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 1: Everybody else kind of a week to week basis, And 120 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 1: the guys that are really missing to help their third 121 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 1: down situation is Nick Vigil in my mind, in today's 122 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:33,919 Speaker 1: football is as good as nickel linebacker as there is 123 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: long guy that can run, can run with running backs 124 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 1: and tight ends. They're getting killed at the linebacker level. 125 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: I mean, they have the most targets against them in 126 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:45,159 Speaker 1: the NFL according to Pro Football focused at the linebacker level, 127 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 1: and the most completions against them. And then dark ques 128 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:51,159 Speaker 1: Den Art. You know, you have a luxury of a 129 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 1: former first round cornerback. It's slot corner communicating everything that 130 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 1: was big. Not having him there in that slot corner 131 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:02,279 Speaker 1: and that nickel and I'm package is hurting them big time. 132 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 1: So those guys, man, there's a you know, apb to 133 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 1: get them back as quickly as possible. But you can't 134 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: rush these things. Everybody heals at a different rate, you know, 135 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: so you just have to be patient. Lap. The Bengals 136 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: are ound of pace to give up the most yards 137 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: of any team in NFL history. Back in two thousand, 138 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: Marvin Lewis was the coordinator of a Baltimore defense that 139 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:26,119 Speaker 1: gave up the fewest points of any team in NFL history, 140 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 1: at least in a sixteen game season. Should Marvin take 141 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: a more hands on approach with the Bengals defense, you know, 142 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: you'd almost think with his defensive background that he is. 143 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 1: You know, I think he's in a good percentage of 144 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: defensive meetings. If my defense is struggling like it is, 145 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 1: and I'm the head coach and I have the expertise 146 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: I have on that side of the football, I have 147 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 1: my thumb on the pulse of that bad boy. But 148 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: in terms of calling defensive plays, tried it Leslie Frasier, 149 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. The defense was struggling, Marvin took over play 150 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: calling they know what to Cleveland and got smoked. It 151 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 1: was like thirty four to three or something. Didn't go well. 152 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: So maybe with that past history in mind, he may 153 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: think twice about it. I think that they just have 154 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 1: to they have to work their way through it. In 155 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: conversation with coach Austin earlier in the week, you know, 156 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: he talked about twenty and fifteen Lions that he was 157 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 1: a coordinator four and they went one and seven to 158 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: start the season. They'd given up over three thousand yards 159 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: in the first half of the season. They were tracking 160 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: dismally two and they tweaked some things, made some adjustments, 161 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 1: and you know, he said, everything's gonna play scheme the 162 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: way we're approaching it. Personnel calls were making. The whole 163 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 1: thing is going to be examined. And in Detroit shortly thereafter, 164 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:44,319 Speaker 1: they went to Green Bay and one on the road 165 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:47,079 Speaker 1: for the first time in thirty years, and they went 166 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: six and two and the loss was to Green Bay 167 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: on the hail. Mary was one of the losses, so 168 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 1: they could have gone seven and one after starting one 169 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 1: and seven. So his point is, if we can find 170 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 1: that type of magic, be five and two and go 171 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 1: six and two on the back end, now you're looking 172 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:05,199 Speaker 1: at eleven and five record, or you know, if you 173 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:07,680 Speaker 1: can go seven to one, even better. So obviously it 174 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:11,439 Speaker 1: can't get worse. It has to improve. And you've got 175 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 1: a lot of young guys I think that are making 176 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 1: a lot of mental errors. It's that seems to be 177 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 1: the case. And with that, you almost when you're given 178 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 1: when you because of injury, you have to give the 179 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,199 Speaker 1: guys on the job training. You have to be patient 180 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 1: because with every rep they're getting, they're going to improve. 181 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 1: I mean, repetition breeds comfort level. And right now, in 182 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: the first half of the season, a lot of their 183 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 1: heads were spinning, some of these young guys, I mean 184 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 1: their roles expanded to a point that they had no concept, 185 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: no idea when they broke training camp that they were 186 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: going to be in these positions. But they are. And 187 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: that's that's life in the National Football League, and everybody 188 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 1: has to adjust. It's it's adjustments and adjustments to adjustments, 189 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 1: and you just have to do it and uh and 190 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 1: build and continue to grow. Laugh. The Bengals have obviously 191 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 1: had problems at the linebacker position this year. The last 192 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 1: time they drafted a linebacker in the two rounds of 193 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: the draft was two thousand and nine, that's ten drafts ago, 194 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:06,559 Speaker 1: and they took Raymlea Logan the second round. The year 195 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: before that, they took Keith Rivers in the first round. 196 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: Do they need to address that position earlier in the draft. 197 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: I think in this era, the NFL tight ends are 198 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: so good that linebackers are involved with that coverage. I 199 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 1: think you have to maybe modify your approach. The Bengals. 200 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 1: The way they've they've built their defenses in today's NFL 201 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 1: is pass rushers and cover guys because it's a throwing league, 202 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:36,079 Speaker 1: and you know, then you worry about linebackers third and 203 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 1: it's work for him. I mean, they have Pro Bowl 204 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:41,439 Speaker 1: pass rushers and Geno Atkins and Carlos Dunlap. They've got 205 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: multiple first round picks. They still have three, even though 206 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 1: dark Weis has heard three first round picks one of 207 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: first rounders in the back end. So in today's NFL, 208 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 1: if you have two Pro Bowl pass rushers in three 209 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: first round cover guys in the back end, it should 210 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: be the makings of a decent defensive football team. But 211 00:10:56,600 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 1: they're getting pounded at the linebacker level. Pro Football Focus 212 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 1: says they've been targeted more than any team at that 213 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: level of the field, that position group, that intermediate range, 214 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: and more completions against them. Now you know injuries. You know, 215 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:13,319 Speaker 1: in the last game, Vantes perfect Nick Vigil, they're the 216 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: nickel linebackers. Both were down. And I think Nick Vigil 217 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 1: is as good at nickel linebackers or is in the game. 218 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 1: He can really run long, can run with those tight ends, 219 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 1: run with the running backs, and he was drafting the 220 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 1: third round. So if there's a guy that is worthy 221 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 1: of it, I don't think you reach for it necessarily. 222 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: But if you're doing your evaluations, and Duke Tobin and 223 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 1: his crew do as good as anybody in that aspect 224 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 1: of it, and your board sorts out that way, and 225 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: you have one you know, even if it's early second 226 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: round or hopefully late first round, but early second round 227 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 1: because of a trade, pull the trigger. If he's the guy, 228 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 1: you know, because in today's NFL, it's it's a must. 229 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: Hugh Jackson was not the only former Bengals coach who 230 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:00,679 Speaker 1: got fired this week. Paul Alexander, his first year, is 231 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 1: the offensive line coach of the Dallas Cowboys, only lasted 232 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 1: half a season. Does the Bengals offensive line looks significantly 233 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: different under Frank Pollock already than it dead under Polo Alexander. Yes, 234 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: they have an attitude. I mean they will fight you. 235 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: They'll they'll do everything they possibly can. Their whole posture 236 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 1: is aggressiveness. Whereas before it was passiveness, it was retreat 237 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 1: and catch. This group makes a stand and punches. And 238 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: as a former lineman, I much prefer that, much prefer 239 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 1: seeing that, and I know the quarterback much prefer seeing 240 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 1: that because even if you give up, you know, you 241 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 1: can't be so consumed with a personal stat of old 242 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 1: quarterback sacks that you're giving up consistent pressure and the 243 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: pass rush is getting into the quarterback's face every snap. 244 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 1: But because he's a smart team player, he's the ball 245 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:01,839 Speaker 1: out of his hands in less than two and a 246 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: half seconds, but he has no space to throw the football. 247 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 1: You're not helping the football team. You're hurting the football team. 248 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 1: I don't give a damn if you only give up 249 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: eighteen sacks. If you give ninety eight pressures, terrible. I'd 250 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:18,319 Speaker 1: rather give up fifty pressures and thirty of them end 251 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 1: up being sacks because those other forty eight snaps the 252 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 1: quarterbacks seeing the field and picking him apart. So I'm 253 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 1: not as concern with sack numbers as I am with 254 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 1: overall pressure numbers. What does the pocket look like for 255 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: the quarterback? Andy Dalton's not the biggest quarterback in the world. 256 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:36,839 Speaker 1: I get so sick and tired of him throwing out 257 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 1: of a hole where he couldn't even see. I mean, 258 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: he's throwing with so much anticipation and has to be 259 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 1: accurate with it. He's not even seeing where it's going 260 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 1: to end up. And receivers as well. You'll talk to receivers. 261 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: When Doug Flutie was a teammate in New Jersey five 262 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: to nine and he dropped down to throw the ball 263 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 1: by his shoulder. He's throwing the ball about five foot 264 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: level and he threw between rushers. He didn't throw over 265 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: the top of anybody. Our receivers would complain about when 266 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:05,199 Speaker 1: he's in pocket, the ball would come out like a 267 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:07,959 Speaker 1: jugs on between bodies and it was on top of 268 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: them before they could react. They never saw the ball 269 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: out of the quarterback's hand. Every receiver will tell you 270 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:14,719 Speaker 1: when they can see the quarterback the ball out of 271 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:18,559 Speaker 1: the quarterback's hands, they can make much better adjustments. So 272 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: if you're if the quarterbacks thrown out of a hole 273 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 1: and the receivers can't see the ball coming out of 274 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: his hand, that's a double dip tragedy right there. So 275 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 1: I like the fact that they're jumping people, they're taking 276 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 1: people on. They're giving the quarterback clean their pocket, more 277 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: vision space he can climb the pocket easier. Long story short, 278 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 1: I like what I'm seeing, and they're much more aggressive 279 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: they're coming off the football. And honestly, are they an 280 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 1: upper crusted talent wise offensive line? No? But Frank Pollock, 281 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: is he doing it with smoking mirrors? Probably to an extent, 282 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: But you know what, sometimes the some of the parts 283 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: equal is a lot better than each individual piece of it. 284 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: And that's when you have a good offensive line. You 285 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 1: have five guys believing in each other playing a concert, 286 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 1: the some of the parts can be better than any 287 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 1: individual Pro Bowl stud or whatever. If you have a 288 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: Pro Bowl stud in four schmucks, ain't gonna get you much. 289 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 1: Ain't gonna get you very far. Be a good band name, 290 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 1: all right. Last thing. Last week, the Bengals were nearly 291 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: toppled by thirty five year old Ryan Fitzpatrick, who, as 292 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: we all know, is a hobvid man. Yes, here's this 293 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 1: week's question. Between ten years playing in the NFL and 294 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 1: two years in the USFL, who is the smartest guy 295 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: you ever played with? Another habvid man, Pat mcinelly. That 296 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: guy was had perfect score on the one relick, only 297 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: one fifty out of fifty, And I said, you know, 298 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 1: how quickly did you finish it? I was bored, man, 299 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: I was sitting around for five minutes. He Pat mcinaley 300 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 1: is a kind of guy that if you're sitting in 301 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 1: a room with him and you have a conversation, every 302 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: single sentence you say, he can make a joke out 303 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 1: of it. He can come up with some kind of humor. 304 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: He is the most quick witted dude. And his humor 305 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: can go all the way from wow sophistication of sarcasm 306 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 1: to the end degree to you know, down and dirty 307 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: with the best of them, and everything in between. Pat 308 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 1: mcinelly is, he's a brilliant dude. And I remember many times, 309 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 1: you know, I loved being around him, and he dogged 310 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 1: me all the time because I get accepted to Harvard 311 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 1: and didn't go. And he said, well, you know, I 312 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: hesitate to be in your company, being that stupid, but 313 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: at any rate, um I would go. I'd go into 314 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: his room a lot at night, you know, after practices, 315 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 1: and he'd he'd play a guitar, you know, strung along, 316 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 1: and he'd write songs, you know, and write his own music. Right. 317 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 1: So the guy he could do anything. There's nothing that 318 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 1: Pat mcinelli couldn't do. So he made a pact basically said, 319 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: you know, my goal lap him is to not work 320 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: a day in my life and be a gazillionaire. And 321 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 1: he hasn't had a real job in his life, and 322 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 1: he's a gazillionaire. You know. At starting lineup he invented 323 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 1: that Kenner toys. He went, you know, to all of 324 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:04,120 Speaker 1: his Harvard alum in all the leagues and got the rights. 325 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: Went to Kenner Toys right here in Cincinnati. They jumped 326 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 1: on and bought into it, simple deal, figuring with an 327 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:13,919 Speaker 1: autograph card and made a fortune. He was getting seven 328 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 1: figure commission checks twice a year. Crazy. Then he started 329 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: collecting first edition comic books in mint condition, made a fortune. 330 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 1: He wrote his column you Know just for Kids, syndicated 331 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 1: newspaper column while he was playing. All his Harvard connections 332 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: around the cities got him into these newspapers. And the 333 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 1: dude has been printing cash from the day he was 334 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 1: able to print cash and will the rest of his life. 335 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: He is. He is a very very unique, brilliant, bright 336 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 1: minded guy, smartest guy I've ever been around. Glad you 337 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: worked with somebody smart your lifetime. Thanks Lap. According to 338 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 1: the website Pro Football Focus, none of the Bengals offensive 339 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:05,920 Speaker 1: linemen have a particularly high grade so far this year. 340 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 1: Clint Bowling ranks highest at twenty eighth among the seventy 341 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: four guards with enough snaps to qualify. But the old 342 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:17,200 Speaker 1: line could get a boost right after the bye as 343 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:20,120 Speaker 1: center Billy Price, the Bengals first round draft pick out 344 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:23,679 Speaker 1: of Ohio State could be back from his foot injury. 345 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:28,400 Speaker 1: I talked to Billy about that possibility on Tuesday inside 346 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:31,400 Speaker 1: the locker room with center Billy Price. By weekend this 347 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 1: weekend and the Saints at home after that, do you 348 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:37,880 Speaker 1: expect to be back out there? Just following what protocol 349 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 1: is right now with the docs. Got into practice last week, 350 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:43,919 Speaker 1: felt pretty good, so we're gonna take it into the 351 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:45,640 Speaker 1: rest of this week and then followed what they want 352 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 1: minted next week. If it's not the Saints game. I 353 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: think we're all pretty confident it's going to be soon 354 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:54,440 Speaker 1: and imagine you're eager to get back out there. Absolutely, Yeah, 355 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 1: there's no pain right now. It feels good. And again 356 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: we're just kind of falling falling with Paul Sparring and 357 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:02,439 Speaker 1: the guys inside the training room are asking me to do. 358 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 1: How have you stayed on top of things mentally while 359 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: you haven't been able to play? For me, it's making 360 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:09,119 Speaker 1: sure I'm sitting there with Coach Pollocks so during practice 361 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 1: if I'm not participating, so in the previous weeks, sitting 362 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:13,399 Speaker 1: back there with the script and kind of going over 363 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: the looks with Coach Pollock and I had a pen 364 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: in my pocket or on my hat the entire time 365 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:19,879 Speaker 1: in writing down notes. Um, just to make sure that 366 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 1: you're still sharp, manly with what the what the defensive 367 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:25,160 Speaker 1: pictures are going to be. You know, we haven't really 368 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: played a lot of divisional guys, so M Pittsburgh was 369 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: the only only team and then the rest of the 370 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:33,159 Speaker 1: Baltimore game. So I'm gonna be able to see these 371 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 1: guys again. So making sure that I recognize some of 372 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 1: the tendencies that these guys are presenting to us, just 373 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 1: so when it comes down to the second time we 374 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 1: play them that I'm it's not new information to me. 375 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 1: You were an iron man at Ohio State. He never 376 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: came out. How difficult has that been? Just having a 377 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 1: leatch from the sideline, it's a different perspective. Um, I 378 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:54,159 Speaker 1: don't enjoy it. I can tell you that. Um, you know, 379 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:57,120 Speaker 1: it's just it's a it was a freaky injury. Especially 380 00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 1: I just got on top of a guy and you know, 381 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 1: I told Coach Pollock, you know, got to improve my 382 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 1: technique to make sure I don't put myself in that position. So, UM, 383 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: it's just it's it's it's not a good feeling, especially 384 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 1: when you know it's out of your control. So we're 385 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: gonna make sure we do everything in our potential to 386 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:14,160 Speaker 1: make sure that we stay on the field. Were visiting 387 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 1: Billy Price. Coach Lewis said early this week that the 388 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 1: offensive line has steadily improved during the course of this season. 389 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:21,680 Speaker 1: How do you feel about the way the entire group 390 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:24,959 Speaker 1: has performed? You know, you know, I first informost got 391 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 1: to tip my half to Trey Hopkins. That again, a 392 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:29,120 Speaker 1: guy somebody who's you know, when his number is called, 393 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 1: he stepped into it and he's dominated every every single 394 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 1: game from you know, we joke around my my one 395 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:36,919 Speaker 1: in a quarter game that I played and uh, you 396 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 1: know with Indian in Baltimore, and then from him taking 397 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:42,120 Speaker 1: on those three quarters to Baltimore, uh and just really dominating. 398 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: I think it's steady improvement. Um. You know, you see 399 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 1: guys like you know, I mean the left side with 400 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:51,159 Speaker 1: the veterans are are performing you know, exceptional right now. Um, 401 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,640 Speaker 1: you know, Alex Redman continues to grow, Bobby continues to grow. 402 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:55,680 Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's as a whole as a group. 403 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 1: To your point, guys are growing, Guys are continuing to 404 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:02,639 Speaker 1: develop that continuity, building that chemistry to that offensive lines 405 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:05,119 Speaker 1: need when it comes on a stretch sign All right, 406 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you like the best case scenario. The 407 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 1: injuries unfortunate. Stinks that you've missed much of the first 408 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 1: half of your rookie season. But are you gonna be 409 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 1: fresh for the second half and hopefully playoff games after 410 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:21,119 Speaker 1: That's that's the goal. That's the goal. So if you know, 411 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 1: again we get cleared to play in the SAME's game, 412 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:25,360 Speaker 1: if we get cleared to play in the science game, 413 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 1: you know those legs won't have that additional seven weeks 414 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 1: that I have been sitting out on. So I'll be 415 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:32,640 Speaker 1: ready to bring a little pop and bring a little 416 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:34,640 Speaker 1: energy back into the run game, into the past game. 417 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 1: Whenever my time is called to be back on the field, 418 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: enjoy the buye. Look forward to seeing you back out 419 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: there soon. Thank you can't wait either. Billy Price has 420 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:44,919 Speaker 1: been out of action since September thirteenth due to a 421 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 1: partially torn ligament in his foot. After redshirting his first 422 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 1: year at Ohio State, he started all fifty five possible 423 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:56,440 Speaker 1: games over the next four seasons to set the Buckeyes 424 00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 1: record for starts and consecutive games. Now time to hear 425 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 1: from a special guest. You see him every week on CBS, 426 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 1: on the NFL Today and on showtime on Inside the NFL. 427 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: Or you can go to YouTube and watch the greatest 428 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 1: performance by a quarterback in Super Bowl history twenty two 429 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: for twenty five with three touchdown passes and a Super 430 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:25,439 Speaker 1: Bowl record passer rating of one fifty point nine. I 431 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,880 Speaker 1: am speaking of former New York Giants quarterback Phil Simms. 432 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,879 Speaker 1: He and Dave Lapham have been buddies for years, and 433 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 1: Phil joined us this week the Bengals Game Plan show. Phil, 434 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 1: thanks so much for joining us, and it's it's no 435 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:45,679 Speaker 1: shock that you're a legend in New York and a 436 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame player. My man, well you know I'm 437 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:52,640 Speaker 1: a legend because I'm not playing anymore. Phil Parcels would 438 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 1: always say, Simms, just trust me, they're gonna love you 439 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 1: once you quit playing. That's okay. And I didn't know 440 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: I was on YouTube like that. Might just watch it 441 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: today to boost my eagle all go. I need some 442 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,880 Speaker 1: help getting a little tired of watching these games, so 443 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: getting myself going again. But look, always a pleasure to 444 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 1: talk to you guys, and big Dave, I heard you 445 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago, you know, you were all 446 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: over everything TV the throw against the Atlanta Falcons. Yeah, man, 447 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,160 Speaker 1: I thought, oh my god, I hope he didn't jump 448 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 1: out of the booth because he's gonna splatter about ten 449 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 1: people belowing. But it's really fun. You know. I love 450 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 1: the calls of stuff like that by the home team announcers. 451 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: It's just great because I know, I just looked to 452 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 1: Call Banks, who does radio for the New York Giants, 453 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 1: and I said, Carl, do you just are you still 454 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 1: living and din with a team like you playing? He goes, 455 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 1: it's not as bad, Bill, but it's close, and I said, 456 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,479 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I can imagine. So good. Good for 457 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 1: you for some good moments. And hey, you're five and three. 458 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 1: I mean almost every team in the league would take 459 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:00,880 Speaker 1: five and three, except maybe team like the Rams. There's 460 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 1: very few they can say the record is better than 461 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 1: the Bengals right now. You know, that's that's what's going 462 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: to be my first question, phil Um, because you know 463 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:09,879 Speaker 1: you're you've got your thumb on the pulse of the 464 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: national opinions. And early on before the season started training camp, 465 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,880 Speaker 1: the Bengals weren't just under the radar. They were off 466 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 1: the radar. I mean, nobody was even talking about the 467 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,880 Speaker 1: Cincinnati Bengals. And then they get off to a fast 468 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 1: start four and one, but then they go to Kansas 469 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 1: City and they lay an egg on on you know, 470 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,919 Speaker 1: Sunday night football, and it was same old Bengals, and 471 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 1: they you know, basically blow an eighteen point lead, but 472 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,919 Speaker 1: do win the game at the gun against Tampa Bay. 473 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 1: And they go into the bye week five and three 474 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 1: as opposed to four and four, which is big. What 475 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 1: do you think the national perspective on this football team 476 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 1: is right now? Oh? I think there's just tons of 477 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,199 Speaker 1: question marks because of that, you know the fact that 478 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 1: the way they lost to the Kansas City Chiefs, to 479 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 1: lose a big lead to the to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, 480 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 1: and I just think, you know, you look and you 481 00:24:58,080 --> 00:24:59,400 Speaker 1: know we talk about it all the time and show 482 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,400 Speaker 1: you look like ahead. You know, the pingles are five 483 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 1: and three, And of course I work with two AFC 484 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 1: North guys, Bill Kaward and Boomers Size who constantly talk 485 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: about the division, so we keep up with it that way. 486 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:15,159 Speaker 1: But um, I think it's still you're still under the radar, 487 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,959 Speaker 1: and you know it's gonna take a big victory or 488 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: something that separates yourself before people really get serious. I 489 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,399 Speaker 1: guess it's the best thing to say. And you know, 490 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 1: and I got to be honest talking to you, and 491 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 1: you and I talk occasionally that I look at the 492 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:34,120 Speaker 1: Bingals roster and I just go wow, okay, wow man. 493 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,120 Speaker 1: You know, even before the season, I went, gosh, dang 494 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 1: they on paper it just looks like a not dead 495 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 1: playoff team. And then they show moments I go, boy, 496 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 1: I think here it goes. They're gonna roll and something 497 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 1: derails it. And they don't a lot of that have 498 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,880 Speaker 1: to do. Now in the NFL, it is so much 499 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:59,200 Speaker 1: about matchups like I've never seen before. Ye and they're certain. 500 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 1: It's like M says it all the time. Well the 501 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 1: Bengals beat this team, and this team beats this team, 502 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,680 Speaker 1: and then the other team beats the Bengals, and I go, yeah, 503 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,399 Speaker 1: that reminds me of the NFC East, when we were 504 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:14,639 Speaker 1: all pretty good teams and it was we couldn't beat Philadelphia, 505 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:19,199 Speaker 1: Washington could beat Philadelphia, we could beat Washington, and you 506 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,959 Speaker 1: know that kind of thing. So and Washington couldn't beat us. 507 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 1: So it's it is about matchups more than ever in style, 508 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,399 Speaker 1: and I've never seen anything like it in the NFL. 509 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 1: On the offensive side, what's going on? So the games 510 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,160 Speaker 1: who played. I wasn't shocked that Tampa Bay came back 511 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:40,159 Speaker 1: because look at their offense. Yeah, I mean, look at 512 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 1: the players. The system is designed to hammer the ball 513 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 1: down the field. And you know, Fitzpatrick came in, took 514 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 1: advantage to some things, and I think that's what catches 515 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,479 Speaker 1: me again. I finished the answer with this, I just 516 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 1: expect more from the Bengals defense that I've seen. Yeah, yeah, 517 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,120 Speaker 1: that's that's definitely been the Achilles heel. Before we get 518 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 1: to the Bengals defense, let me ask you about quarterback 519 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 1: play in the National Football League. And you know, the 520 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,439 Speaker 1: rules obviously favor of the offense. They want points in 521 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 1: fantasy football is a five billion dollars industry. You know, 522 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 1: they want points. They don't want nine to six, they 523 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,879 Speaker 1: want forty one thirty eight, you know, and and uh 524 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 1: but here's here's a number. Interestingly enough, the Bengals next 525 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 1: opponent is Drew Brees. After the bye, New Orleans Saints 526 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,920 Speaker 1: leads an all time leader in passing yards. He's he's 527 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 1: thrown for forty two hundred yards or more twelve straight years. 528 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 1: John Elway, Hall of Famer, never did it once in 529 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:36,919 Speaker 1: sixteen years that he was playing. So that tells you 530 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,919 Speaker 1: the difference in the era because the talent levels not 531 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 1: the you know, the talent level is pretty pretty darn good. 532 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,159 Speaker 1: I mean, it's a different game, isn't it. It's a 533 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 1: different game. I people say things to me, and I go, look, 534 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,680 Speaker 1: First off, if I was playing in the league now, 535 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,199 Speaker 1: I would change who I was as an athlete. You know, 536 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,359 Speaker 1: we were told hold that ball and stand in there, 537 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,920 Speaker 1: and if you flinch or don't throw it down the field, 538 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 1: we'll take your big butt out. And that was that 539 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 1: was the thing. I would throw a five yard pass 540 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,679 Speaker 1: and come to the the sideline and you know, third and 541 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:11,920 Speaker 1: eight and throw a five yard pass in the flat. 542 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 1: They tackling and parcels going what are you doing? And I, 543 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 1: you know, what do you? What do you mean that? 544 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 1: There was nobody opening goes, oh, you're worried about your 545 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,879 Speaker 1: completion percentage? Is that what we're dealing with? That? And 546 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:26,399 Speaker 1: I but but the offenses, what would Dan Marino and 547 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 1: John Elway doing today's game? Oh my gosh, they would 548 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 1: be setting records like these other guys are. But it's 549 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 1: the style of play. And Dave, we've never seen the time, Guys, 550 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 1: we've never seen the time. We're running backs and wide 551 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 1: receivers and tight ends. There's so many good ones. That 552 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 1: really the advantage that the defense used to have, it's 553 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 1: all gone. And I don't know where the advantage is 554 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 1: for the defense anymore. Don't hit them here, don't hit 555 00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 1: them there. So that's one thing. So that makes people. 556 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 1: I see guys pull off. You've seen it. That's a 557 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 1: big thing. But I really give the rules and the coaches, 558 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 1: the creativity, the deception they're given to defenses at all 559 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 1: time high and that's why we're seeing so many great numbers. 560 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 1: And trust me, these numbers start to fade a little 561 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 1: bit as the year goes along. And we finished the year, 562 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 1: the NFL will just go. You know, we did another rule. 563 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 1: They helped us office a little more. And that's the 564 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 1: life we live in. The fans love it. And you 565 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 1: know what we all can say in the business that 566 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 1: the fans keep loving it. I hear that, coach. So 567 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 1: you mentioned the Bengals defense. Their last three games, Phil, 568 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 1: they gave up four hundred and eighty one yards and 569 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 1: twenty eight points to Ben Roethlisberger and the Steelers. They 570 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 1: gave up five fifty one yards and forty five points 571 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 1: to Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs. And they just gave 572 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 1: up five hundred and seventy six yards and thirty four 573 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 1: points to both Winston and then Ryan Fitzpatrick sixteen hundred 574 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 1: and eight yards. And you know, I mean, you're talking 575 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 1: about over hundred points, well over one hundred points obviously, 576 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 1: you know. Allowed what what do you guys see when 577 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 1: you when you see the Bengals defense. Well, you know, 578 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 1: I'll say this generally about the NFL. You know, I 579 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 1: judge defense is a little different. Now I'm starting to like, Okay, 580 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 1: I'm not looking at stats as much. I'm looking at 581 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 1: you know, like I'll give you an example, like the 582 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs. I look at them their defense, the ranks, 583 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 1: the numbers, they're off the charts awful, right, and but 584 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 1: but there's also the point of them. They have guys 585 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 1: that make plays at the right time. D Ford justin 586 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 1: Houston stopped back. Now, big guys in front, and they play, 587 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 1: they play all out. In other words, they're not afraid 588 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 1: of giving up a big play or that kind of thing. 589 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 1: And I almost think that's what the league has got 590 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 1: to turn into. You just gotta you just gotta realize 591 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 1: you're gonna give up some points, but let's be more 592 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 1: aggressive and see if we can get some turnovers and 593 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 1: sacks and fumbles and stuff like that. That's what it's 594 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 1: turned into. And you know, let's look at the LA Rams. 595 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 1: They're giving up big yards the last couple of weeks. 596 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 1: Just think of their game against Minnesota high scoring game. 597 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 1: It was one of the best games that wat sall 598 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 1: year on TV and I was like, wow, this is awesome. 599 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 1: The game was on the line and what happened, Oh 600 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 1: and Dominican sue but the sac Oh, Aaron Donald comes 601 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 1: in sack strip full game over. And that's kind of 602 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 1: what it is for the defense. You got to have 603 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 1: a couple guys that can make a play and a 604 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 1: crucial time to win games because the games are coming down. 605 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 1: They're always close now because of the rules, and it's 606 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 1: who can make the play at the end. And if 607 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 1: you give most of these quarterbacks, I bet you there's 608 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 1: fifteen quarterbacks in the NFL. If you said to me 609 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 1: they get four turns from the twenty they got one 610 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 1: time out and there's two minutes twenty seconds ago. You 611 00:31:55,920 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 1: know what, I'd say, they're gonna wine and so you 612 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 1: better have somebody on the defensive side that's going to 613 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 1: really help you win the game. Now, I look at 614 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 1: you guys, and I'm amazed. Geno Atkins, Carlos Dunlap, Hell 615 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 1: do they ever age? And you know they're doing it, 616 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 1: But I just don't understand the back end of it 617 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 1: where I know there's so many good players high draft 618 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 1: picks of course, that that's got to be maybe I 619 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 1: don't want to say more aggressive. You know, I'm gonna 620 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 1: watch the Bengals game that you just played this weekend 621 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 1: here later today, and it's just it's it's a league. 622 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:35,480 Speaker 1: Like I say, I think you've really got to take 623 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 1: more chances on defense than we have in the past, 624 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 1: or most teams having a pass and I t I 625 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 1: see some teams like the Kansas City Chiefs that are 626 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 1: doing that knowing that their offense can cover them if 627 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 1: they give up these big plays. I'll tell you, Phil, 628 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,720 Speaker 1: the Bengals defense falls into that category you're talking about. 629 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,360 Speaker 1: They're they're tied for fourth in the NFL with ten interceptions. 630 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: They had eleven all year last year. They're tracking for 631 00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,720 Speaker 1: twenty this year. They got thirteen take ways, tied for 632 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 1: ninth in the league. They only had fourteen all year 633 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,480 Speaker 1: last year. They're tracking for twenty six this year. So 634 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 1: and they've they've got four defensive touchdowns. Four different guys 635 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 1: have scored for the defense that leads the NFL. And 636 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 1: that's that's twelve point seven percent of the points that 637 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 1: they've scored. I mean, the defense has been scoring for him. 638 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 1: So like you say, you know, they may be given 639 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 1: up yards, it maybe attract me. They else and boom 640 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,080 Speaker 1: they make a play and h and all of a 641 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 1: sudden they help win the football game. Yeah, you don't 642 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 1: to this yard thing. How we judge defense is you know, 643 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 1: I don't even look at a lot of stuff anymore. 644 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 1: I do look at run defense, and then I look 645 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 1: to points scored a game. Yep. And you know, I'll 646 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 1: go to the master of all time, and that's Bill Belichick. 647 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,280 Speaker 1: You know, year in and year out, they their defense 648 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 1: is not ranking high because they have a formula. They're 649 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 1: they're gonna play a lot of man to man. They're 650 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 1: gonna make you throw good passes to beat them. But 651 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 1: when you get down inside the closer, you get to 652 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 1: the goal line, they're incredible. They always have a plan 653 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 1: to go against you. And that's the other that's the 654 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,200 Speaker 1: other thing. There's a you know, I can't name them 655 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:09,680 Speaker 1: off the top of my head. That's sit and think 656 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 1: about it. But I'd say there's about six teams in 657 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,560 Speaker 1: the league. They don't have a style of defense. Their 658 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,640 Speaker 1: defense is okay, so will we play this week? This 659 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:22,400 Speaker 1: is who will be And I call them game plan defenses. 660 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,640 Speaker 1: And and it's really you know, Baltimore is one of them. 661 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,359 Speaker 1: You watch Baltimore every week. It's a new plan. What 662 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,759 Speaker 1: they're gonna do over on the other side, And and 663 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 1: of course that's the Patriots, and you it makes you think, Okay, 664 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:37,920 Speaker 1: how are they going to play us? What are they 665 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:42,960 Speaker 1: gonna do? All these things? And and it works inside 666 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,359 Speaker 1: the red zone, which is so important. It really is that. 667 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,520 Speaker 1: And I'm still a big believer in run defense. If 668 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:53,640 Speaker 1: you run defense is pretty good, then you're gonna get 669 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:58,279 Speaker 1: yourself in some situations where you know, Carlo Stunlab, Gino 670 00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,120 Speaker 1: Atkins and other guys. You know, I got admit a 671 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 1: little surprise as I looked at it. You know, last 672 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 1: year you had the young guys on defense, Jordan Willis 673 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,760 Speaker 1: and Carl Lawson, and then and then you draft Sam Hubbard. 674 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,440 Speaker 1: That was this year, Sam Hubbard, Right, he's a rookie. Ye, 675 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,759 Speaker 1: well you dropped. I thought, Oh my gosh, say, are 676 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,280 Speaker 1: going to destroy quarterbacks with this group? And the point 677 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,480 Speaker 1: hasn't turned out that way, even though the sacks are 678 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,120 Speaker 1: it's good, But you know, I don't know. I still 679 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:29,800 Speaker 1: I think again, mate, Andy Dalton, until he wins the 680 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:33,359 Speaker 1: Super Bowl, nobody's ever gonna like give him any love, 681 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:38,719 Speaker 1: that's for sure. And I hey, you know me, the 682 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:43,319 Speaker 1: business drives me crazy things that people say and and 683 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,080 Speaker 1: all that. Oh well, Untilie gets it done in the playoffs. 684 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,799 Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah, I forgot. Football is a one man game, 685 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,759 Speaker 1: that's right. Yes, so, but those are the way, that's 686 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,160 Speaker 1: what it is. And but the mingles in a great 687 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,600 Speaker 1: spot week off, fix a few things and we'll see 688 00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 1: where it goes in real quick. Did you like the 689 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 1: bye week? What did you do on the byeway? What 690 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,800 Speaker 1: was that like for you? Well, she wasn't like the 691 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,400 Speaker 1: bad weeks they have now, right, Yeah, I mean you know, 692 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 1: I played eight years with Bill Parcels and you know, 693 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:12,000 Speaker 1: Bie weeks were brutal. Jeez, you know they were allowed 694 00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:15,879 Speaker 1: to you know, there, you play the game, you think 695 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:17,520 Speaker 1: it all, this is gonna be a nice leisure week. 696 00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:19,920 Speaker 1: Well we had three practices and they were hard. It 697 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,600 Speaker 1: was like training camp again. Right, what's that? It's like 698 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,879 Speaker 1: training camp again. Right. It might not have been that bad, 699 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,800 Speaker 1: but it was closed. I'm going damn, I'm exhausted. I 700 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,320 Speaker 1: was hoping to get a little time off here. All right, guys, 701 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you three days off and if any 702 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,920 Speaker 1: of you come back, you'll be hell to pay. And 703 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,480 Speaker 1: just you know, you're just like, oh my gosh, just 704 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,080 Speaker 1: but you know what it tells you something too. And 705 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,880 Speaker 1: I say this all the time. You know, winning and 706 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,440 Speaker 1: you know, as an ex player, winning can make you 707 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 1: comfortable and and so you need a guy that always 708 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:59,200 Speaker 1: can create something to make you uncomfortable or see the bad. 709 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:01,719 Speaker 1: You know, Bill would give us a little love every 710 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,719 Speaker 1: once in a while, but that would only be and 711 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:06,680 Speaker 1: you know, I just I really believe this is a 712 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,600 Speaker 1: big thing in pro football. When we would lose, he 713 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,319 Speaker 1: would almost be more sympathetic. Come on, it's okay, Just 714 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,520 Speaker 1: keep doing. You know, he would be a little but 715 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,240 Speaker 1: when we won, it was to bring us back down 716 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,400 Speaker 1: to earth, tell us that you know, you better do 717 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,279 Speaker 1: this and this and everybody, and it really kept you 718 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,319 Speaker 1: on edge. And I said, every day I walked into 719 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:29,040 Speaker 1: that locker room, and I'm not exaggerating this, I felt pressure, 720 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,319 Speaker 1: and that pressure was, man, I need a good day 721 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,200 Speaker 1: of practice. Yeah, okay, I really got to practice well 722 00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,000 Speaker 1: because oh my god, they've chewed my rear end out 723 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,759 Speaker 1: after practice is over yesterday and you know they were. 724 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:45,640 Speaker 1: It was. So the game is one. It's really hard, right, 725 00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,560 Speaker 1: no doubt, it's really hard. So it's not human nature 726 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,600 Speaker 1: for it to go out and work that hard mentally 727 00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:56,040 Speaker 1: and physically. And unless you have somebody driving that boat 728 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,360 Speaker 1: and doing that for you, I don't think you have 729 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,480 Speaker 1: a chance of achieving the success that you want. Our 730 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:03,520 Speaker 1: thanks to Phil Sims, and that's going to do it 731 00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,960 Speaker 1: for this episode of the podcast. If you haven't done 732 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,880 Speaker 1: so already, don't forget to subscribe on iTunes, Stitcher, or 733 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,480 Speaker 1: pod Bean. And if you have a minute, please give 734 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,080 Speaker 1: us a rating or leave a comment. Your feedback is 735 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,800 Speaker 1: very much appreciated, and five star ratings help more Bengals 736 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:23,360 Speaker 1: fans find this podcast. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for 737 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,359 Speaker 1: listening to the Bengals Booth podcast