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Speaker 1: Welcome into Lounge presented by DraftKings. I'm Ryan Mink here

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Speaker 1: with Garrett Downing and we are going to react to

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Speaker 1: the big news that head coach John Harball is headed

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Speaker 1: to New York to be the next coach of the

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Speaker 1: New York Giants, as well as breakdown one of the

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Speaker 1: more interesting parts of Tuesday's season review press conference with

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Speaker 1: Steve Bashatti and Eric Casa, in which Steve Bushatti said

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Speaker 1: he's very intrigued by the second chance head coaches that

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Speaker 1: are out there, So a lot to talk about Garrett

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Speaker 1: as the coaching carousel continues to spin. And the big

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Speaker 1: news here Thursday morning was about John Harball and arriving

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Speaker 1: in New York and agreeing to a five reported five

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Speaker 1: year contract with the Giants.

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Speaker 2: Very expensive contract, five year, one hundred million dollar contract

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Speaker 2: according to reports for him, and this was kind of

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Speaker 2: the first domino in the coaching circle goal carousel to

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Speaker 2: fall was was Harball and there was a lot of

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Speaker 2: links to him in New York from the time almost

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Speaker 2: minutes after it was announced that the Ravens had fired him,

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Speaker 2: that it felt like New York could be the destination

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Speaker 2: for him, and so.

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Speaker 1: Where I thought he was going to end up.

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Speaker 2: I thought it made a lot of sense. I think that,

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Speaker 2: like you look at that team. They have a young

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Speaker 2: quarterback in Jackson Dart who had a promising rookie season.

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Speaker 1: And global quarterback playmaking kind of guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and so there's there's a lot and it's just

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Speaker 2: organization wise. It's a franchise. That's it's one of the

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Speaker 2: original franchises of the league. Stable, long term ownership group,

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Speaker 2: good strong ownership, strong ownership. That's it's and then it's

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Speaker 2: it's one of the it's it's one of the kind

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Speaker 2: of premier destinations in the league when you look at

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Speaker 2: it from the media market standpoint and the team history,

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Speaker 2: all of those things.

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Speaker 1: Or New York, New York. They got New York's New York,

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Speaker 1: and I think the media there and the fans are

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Speaker 1: going to love John Harball. It's going to be a

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Speaker 1: good fit. Like he is very adept at handling the media,

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Speaker 1: even in a big market like that. You know, he

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Speaker 1: always even here in Baltimore, E body was like, oh man,

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Speaker 1: you know, he's so polished and he could going to

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Speaker 1: have a great TV career if he wanted to go

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Speaker 1: that way and all that, Like he can handle, in

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Speaker 1: my opinion, the New York media.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I actually think the media relations aspect of things

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Speaker 2: is one of his big strengths. I think that was

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Speaker 2: probably part of a selling point that he had for

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Speaker 2: Steveer Shotty talked earlier in the week about hey, maybe

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Speaker 2: he'll take a year off, and he kind of encouraged

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Speaker 2: him to take a year off and spend all the

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Speaker 2: money that I'm giving you and do whatever you want

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Speaker 2: with it. But I'm not honestly surprised that he just

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Speaker 2: jumps right back into coaching like he's he is somebody

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Speaker 2: who eats, sleeps, breathe football, loves to coach, and it

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Speaker 2: does not surprise me that he is the first coach

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Speaker 1: And I think if there hadn't been an attractive destination

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Speaker 1: done TV for a year whatever, Like it sounds like

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Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin's gonna do. But New York I think with

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Speaker 1: that opening, John Harball probably saw that immediately. And it's funny,

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Speaker 1: you know. He had a conversation with Steve Bushatti last Thursday,

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Speaker 1: a week ago, two days after the firing, and Steve

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Speaker 1: basically gave him his recommendation for where he thinks thought

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Speaker 1: he should go. We don't know, you know my guess.

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Speaker 1: And Steve Ashatti has said he he had a guess

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Speaker 1: they don't have a quarterback. I can tell you that much.

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Speaker 1: And the two openings that have the top young quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: or New York and Tennessee. John was reportedly scheduled to

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Speaker 1: canceled that. You know, the Titans have cam Ward. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: The question now for me is what the ripple effect

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Speaker 2: course Ravens fans there's always going to be this connection

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Speaker 2: There a lot of raven aspects of what we've been

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Speaker 2: like from an immediate impact standpoint, both from a coaches

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Speaker 2: staff that's in place is gone too. Not always though

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Speaker 2: along with John Harbaugh is going to go Todd Munkin,

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Speaker 2: that he's going to go to New York as well

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Speaker 2: to be an offensive coordinator. And so, what what is

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Speaker 1: Well, todm Munkin after the season ended, in appearance on

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Speaker 1: did not expect to stay in Baltimore. So it's more

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Speaker 1: turnover for this offense and Lamar Jackson will have another

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Speaker 1: offensive coordinator. You know, you can look at that positively

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Speaker 1: that Hey, all right, this next guy gets a chance

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Speaker 1: to elevate Lamar Jackson, and what can this offense be

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Speaker 1: with some a new thinker in there. I thought Todd

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Speaker 1: I like Tom munkin this. A year ago, the Ravens

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Speaker 1: had the top offense in the NFL, and like a

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Speaker 1: this past season it was not as good, and there

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Speaker 1: were a multitude of reasons for that. Lamar Jackson's health

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Speaker 1: the offensive line didn't play as consistently as the Ravens wanted.

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Speaker 1: saw there. There was a bunch of reasons, and I think,

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Speaker 1: lot of confidence that the Ravens can find their next

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Speaker 1: great offensive mind to come in here and give their

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Speaker 1: Ravens have the top head coaching vacancy in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: Because whoever comes in here gets to work with Lamar Jackson. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And so I have full confidence in the Ravens hiring committee.

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Speaker 1: You know, Eric Takasa, Sashi Brown, Ozzy someone of course

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Speaker 1: ultimately Steve A. Shatti to find a really strong offensive

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Speaker 2: A point that the Ravens made during the press conference

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Speaker 2: who are you bringing in as an offensive coordinator, especially

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Speaker 2: lead this offense in Lamar Jackson. And so you know, look,

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Speaker 2: the Ravens have like this three year stretch. Even though

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Speaker 2: seen here in Baltimore. It was historically good YEP and

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Speaker 2: passing attack, running game, individual accolades. You could go through

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Speaker 2: like all the different elements of success that the Ravens had.

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Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson should have won two MVP. He won one

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Speaker 2: three year run with Todd munkin in this offense. The

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Speaker 2: And if you bring a defense a defensive head coach,

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Speaker 2: but it seems like that's the direction that it's meant.

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Speaker 1: And in addition to Todd Munkett and what other coaches

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Speaker 1: I think that there's a fairly high likelihood of that happening.

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Speaker 1: That is loyal to his guys and believes in his

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Speaker 1: John Harball advocated for running it back the same crew

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Speaker 1: I mean, it seems to have some legitacy considering the

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Speaker 1: would imagine he's not the only coach that John Harball

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Speaker 2: I'm sure there will be members of this coaching staff

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Speaker 1: It's not just toy and then it goes beyond coaches players.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a nice point.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we all saw what happened when Joe Ortiz

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Speaker 1: he took some several of his guys that he was

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, we've seen it over and over again, even

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Speaker 2: there's been countless examples of players that have gone out

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Speaker 2: the list. One of the big offseason priorities for this

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Speaker 2: team are Darius Washington, Patrick Riccard, Tylan Wallace. There's others too,

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Speaker 2: Isaiah likely, Jordan Stout, Charlie Kolar, Daniel fa Lele, Tyler Huntley.

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Speaker 2: Like it's a there's a lot of important players on

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Speaker 1: I mean the tight end room is one that it

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Speaker 2: all right. So, something that really stood out to me

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Speaker 1: Like the benefits of signing a veteran versus drafting a rookie. Sure,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and so there's there's some benefits to going that route,

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Speaker 2: and I don't know if that's the way that the

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Speaker 1: Sure, let me also add that, I think from a

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Speaker 1: the point that he made his living hiring guys with

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Speaker 1: thin resumes who were hungry to prove themselves.

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Speaker 2: That was the quote eighteen years ago when you hired Johnny.

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Speaker 1: Exactly, that was the quote that he used. I've made

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Speaker 1: a living on these kind of guys, right, because he

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Speaker 1: you hire john people are like, whoa guy's never been

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Speaker 1: a head coach before, Like, you know, he's never been

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Speaker 1: And he's like, I've made a living on guys like

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Speaker 1: this who are eager to prove themselves, prove y'all wrong,

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Speaker 1: prove themselves, right, all that stuff right, Well, fast forward now,

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Speaker 1: and these guys second time head coaches are going to

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Speaker 1: be extremely eager for that too, right, Like you're very hungry.

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Speaker 1: It's not a thin resume, very different profile, but very

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Speaker 1: hungry to prove that it didn't work out the first time,

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Speaker 1: but it can the second time. It's a different it's

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Speaker 1: a different hunger, but it is hunger all the same.

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Speaker 1: And I think that it's like interesting from that perspective

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Speaker 1: that Steve Bushati kind of likes that mentality as well.

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Speaker 2: It seems totally and all this said, I don't. I

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Speaker 2: think it's we're still at the point of the process

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Speaker 2: right now where the Ravens were in information gathering mode,

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Speaker 2: and so we could be having this conversation in a

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Speaker 2: week or two with a first time head coach who's

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Speaker 2: a defensive coordinator and offensive coordinator.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, they could certainly go that way. They're interviewing them,

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Speaker 1: so they're not ruling them out either. It's not like

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Speaker 1: they're only interviewing these former head coaches, and so yeah,

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Speaker 1: they absolutely could. But I I just the reason why

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Speaker 1: interesting and open about that about being there to read. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: about being in strigued by those candidates to end, because

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Speaker 1: I think that there was you know, you just read

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Speaker 1: what people think on social media and whatnot, what pundits

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Speaker 1: think and fans are thinking. And I think that there's

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Speaker 1: a general feeling when this search began, like ads we

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Speaker 1: want to retread, Like, I don't know that they're going

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Speaker 1: to go to that direction.

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Speaker 2: I think most I think most fans in general don't

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Speaker 2: like the retread example because there's a negative connotation and

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Speaker 2: you're on the market again, as we said, because it

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Speaker 2: didn't work out for one reason or another.

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Speaker 1: Because they viewed as damaged goods.

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Speaker 2: Right, And so if you go with the route of

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Speaker 2: someone who's not been a head coach, all that you

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Speaker 2: have to go off of is these exciting years as

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Speaker 2: an offensive defense exacty or as a pass game coordinator.

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Speaker 2: Deev A.

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Speaker 1: Shoddy referenced that he's like, yeah, be a lot easier,

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Speaker 1: y'all would be like, you know, you wouldn't hold that

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Speaker 1: against me if I hire a first time head coach

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Speaker 1: save a zero zero record, Yeah, it's fresh start. So

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Speaker 1: but if we don't go that way, you're gonna have

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Speaker 1: to trust us. Yeah, and I think and I I

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Speaker 1: certainly do. I think that they will get the benefit

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Speaker 1: of doubt. I've had three head coaches in franchise history,

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Speaker 1: two of one Super bowls here, Brian and John Harball.

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Speaker 1: I think they're pretty good at this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. So it's going to be

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Speaker 2: a fun process. We're going to continue sharing information as

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Speaker 2: Ravens go throughout this process, talking with these candidates, interviewing,

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Speaker 2: and again the process is they're going through this first

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Speaker 2: round of interviews and then the plan from there is

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Speaker 2: to bring in finalist candidates. And Steve Ashatti described those

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Speaker 2: final interviews as full days here at the Castle, meeting

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Speaker 2: with different people in this building. Meeting with Steve Ashatti,

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Speaker 2: also potentially meeting with Lamar Jackson and those that final

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Speaker 2: stage there is going to be a really important piece

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Speaker 2: of the conversation. Timeline, I think largely depends on who

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Speaker 2: those final candidates are. Are an even play in the

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Speaker 2: Super Bowl well.

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Speaker 1: According to Ian Rappaport of the NFL Network, the Ravens

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Speaker 1: are scheduled to interview Robert Sala, who we talked about

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Speaker 1: on Sunday. Forty nine Ers play against the Seahawks on Saturday,

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Speaker 1: so wasting no time win or loss. The Ravens are

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Speaker 1: reportedly scheduled to talk to Robert Sala on Sunday, and

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Speaker 1: then the Los Angeles Rams also play on Sunday against

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Speaker 1: the Chicago Bears. The Ravens reportedly requested interviews with their

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Speaker 1: defensive coordinator Chris Schul as well as their passing game

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Speaker 1: coordinator Nate Schieldhouse so that those interviews could happen soon

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Speaker 1: thereafter as well early next week. So a lot of

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Speaker 1: moving pieces in this whole Ravens coaching search.

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Speaker 2: And as we said, we're going to continue breaking it

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Speaker 2: down throughout this entire process, keeping you informed of all

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Speaker 2: the latest news and information as well as you can

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Speaker 2: email us at the lounge at ravenst NFL dot net.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening, and we'll be back

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