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Speaker 2: The af SEED.

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Speaker 3: Oh, great call there by Dan Horde, and you could hurt.

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Speaker 3: Why on a magical night for football in Ohio? I

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Speaker 3: that paying two wide receivers all the money looked smart. Yes,

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Speaker 3: the Bengals kept hope alive in the AFC North and

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Speaker 3: the Thursday night problems for Mike Tomlin continued, Shookie, you

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Speaker 3: must have been getting flashbacks Joe Flacco on Thursday Night

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Speaker 3: Football having a moment, and yes, an AFC North crowd

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this time around happened in the opposite corner of

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Speaker 4: Luckily because it takes an AFC North race that was

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Speaker 3: This, absolutely does. And we didn't go with the game

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Speaker 3: Total dime there by Flacco and a great heady play

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Speaker 3: by T. Higgins. The attention shook will rightfully be on

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Speaker 3: But they do not win this game without a couple

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Speaker 4: Yeah, if we could just take this knowledge, this football

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Speaker 3: It's funny because if you kind of think about that comment,

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Speaker 3: lot of pressure tonight. Zach Taylor has done a good

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Speaker 3: And you got to give even more credit, of course,

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Speaker 3: We still got it. And I'm in my forties. They're

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that is a criticism I think for Mike Tomlin's

438
00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:22,280
Speaker 3: entire tenure, and it's continued into today and Steelers fans

439
00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:25,320
Speaker 3: are so mad that they lost this game and like

440
00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,280
Speaker 3: Tomlins lost it this you know, it's like to another

441
00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:30,920
Speaker 3: Tomlin game, like he always loses these games as a

442
00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:34,400
Speaker 3: heavy favorite. It's in the division, it's Thursday night football.

443
00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,720
Speaker 3: These things happen. That's I think that's overreacting, but I

444
00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,359
Speaker 3: think it is a fair criticism that they're not a

445
00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:44,000
Speaker 3: nimble coaching staff. In the game they or even between weeks,

446
00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,879
Speaker 3: they kind of do what they do. It makes them

447
00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:50,560
Speaker 3: a little predictable. And it's tough for me to criticize

448
00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:53,520
Speaker 3: anything they did on offense tonight because ultimately, you have

449
00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:57,639
Speaker 3: nine drives and you put up thirty one points and

450
00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:01,080
Speaker 3: that includes two interceptions, so so you know, one of

451
00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:03,280
Speaker 3: them was a great defensive play, but that's what it

452
00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:07,879
Speaker 3: required tonight, and ultimately you didn't lose a shootout to

453
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:12,000
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow. You lost the shootout to Joe Flacco with

454
00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:15,199
Speaker 3: a chance to win the division. Essentially, they all but

455
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,240
Speaker 3: add the division on ice if they win this game.

456
00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:19,920
Speaker 3: That's that's pretty disappointing to lose that sort of shootout.

457
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:21,320
Speaker 3: You want to be able to win a shootout in

458
00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:22,200
Speaker 3: that scenario. Yeah.

459
00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the other Joe Cool that you lost to,

460
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,280
Speaker 4: and this one's gonna sting for a little bit for them.

461
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 4: I also, you know, when we had our little technical

462
00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:30,320
Speaker 4: issue there, I took a second to look at the

463
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,439
Speaker 4: Steelers schedule, just because losses like this they can be

464
00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:35,520
Speaker 4: good for teams that get off the hot starts because

465
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,440
Speaker 4: it keeps them honest. But if you review the games

466
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,280
Speaker 4: they've won so far, they beat the Jets in Week

467
00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:42,159
Speaker 4: one and that shootout, Right, we know what the Jets are.

468
00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,400
Speaker 2: Now. They lose the Seahawks, in which the Seahawks were

469
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:45,120
Speaker 2: just the better team.

470
00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,400
Speaker 4: They beat the Patriots primarily because they forced enough takeaways

471
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Speaker 4: on defense to win that game, Like that was a

472
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 4: very winnable game for the Patriots, Right. They beat Carson

473
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,280
Speaker 4: Wetz and the Vikings in Dublin, and they beat the

474
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Speaker 4: lowly Browns. Now they lose to the Bengals, that four

475
00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,760
Speaker 4: and two record does not look nearly as strong as

476
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 4: it would without diving into that schedule, and things get tougher.

477
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 4: You get the Packers, Colts, Chargers in another rematch with

478
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,160
Speaker 4: the Bengals, this time in Pittsburgh, all in the next month.

479
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:11,760
Speaker 4: So this is gonna have to be one of those

480
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 4: games that may have come at the perfect time because

481
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,200
Speaker 4: it kind of makes you come circle to wagons and

482
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:17,639
Speaker 4: figure out, all right, maybe we're not as good as

483
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 4: we thought.

484
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:19,880
Speaker 2: We got some things we got to fix, but it.

485
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Speaker 3: Comes at the perfect time for us. Shooky, because I

486
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 3: want teams to be alive. So before this masterpiece of

487
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:32,240
Speaker 3: a game happened, I thought it was gonna be a

488
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,120
Speaker 3: bit of a dud. And so we have a whole

489
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Speaker 3: other segment for the listeners, and it's how many teams

490
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 3: could we realistically see in the Super Bowl? And it

491
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,879
Speaker 3: was inspired a little bit by the Steelers and inspired

492
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 3: more by this season where there's so many teams in

493
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:51,919
Speaker 3: the middle of the NFL that it really feels like

494
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,440
Speaker 3: anything's possible, And I'm like, could I see the Steelers

495
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:56,879
Speaker 3: in the super Bowl? We'll get to that in a

496
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,440
Speaker 3: little bit. But what I like that this game did

497
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,400
Speaker 3: was it kept a division more alive. Yeah, and actually

498
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 3: it keeps the Bengals more alive. You had Joe Burrow

499
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 3: on the sideline and he looks so sad. He looked

500
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 3: like Emo Joe Burrow, Bobona's killing his haircut.

501
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 2: Yea, his hair wasn't even good.

502
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,679
Speaker 3: I mean it's it's not great, and he just seems

503
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 3: so sad. And I thought, of all the accomplishments that

504
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 3: Flacco had tonight, shook making Joe Burrow smile from ear

505
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:31,879
Speaker 3: to ear on the sideline was maybe Flacco's greatest achievement

506
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,919
Speaker 3: late in the game, Like, yeah, Burrow just perked him.

507
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 4: Up, because if you think about it, Joe Burrow said

508
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 4: he was feeling better than ever going into the season.

509
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,920
Speaker 4: He's got his top two guys under contract, That drama's

510
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 4: behind him, He's got his own contract. All that's behind him.

511
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

512
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 4: They know their defense is going to have to overachieve

513
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 4: to be competent, but they believe in the firepower that

514
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:58,679
Speaker 4: they had offensively. And then we two week two, he

515
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,679
Speaker 4: gets knocked out with a c various injury and you

516
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,399
Speaker 4: can't help but think as he's in the darkness of

517
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 4: rehab watching his team just lay egg after egg after

518
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 4: egg that he's sitting there wondering, God, would be so

519
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 4: different if I could just be on the field right now,

520
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,639
Speaker 4: and probably feels guilty for not being there for his guys.

521
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,399
Speaker 4: So to see Joe Flacco, the guy who saved the

522
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:25,920
Speaker 4: Browns two years ago, come into Cincinnati and save him again, Oh,

523
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 4: it had to be such a relief for him. And

524
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 4: finally he could watch his teammates enjoy success and not

525
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:32,159
Speaker 4: feel like all the blame is on.

526
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Speaker 3: Him, and the season's alive. At two to five and

527
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 3: with the Steelers ahead, it's a race to six. This

528
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:43,439
Speaker 3: is gonna be my rallying cry for the Bengals from

529
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:47,879
Speaker 3: now on. Get to six wins without Burrow. If you

530
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,160
Speaker 3: can get to six wins, and I'm projecting and doing

531
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Speaker 3: the math and the timelines, a Burrow return roughly in

532
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Speaker 3: mid December, So if you can get to six wins

533
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 3: by then, you maybe what would you be? You'd be

534
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,639
Speaker 3: you know, six and eight at like six and seven

535
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 3: at worst, something like that. If you can get to

536
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:15,719
Speaker 3: six and six or six and seven or whatever, it's

537
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:20,399
Speaker 3: gonna be five and seven. Just just keep them in

538
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,159
Speaker 3: it to give Burrow a chance to come in for

539
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 3: the last four to five games and win them all

540
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 3: down the stretch or stay at five hundred. It's possible.

541
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Speaker 3: You just mentioned the Browns, all right, let's get to

542
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 3: just a very quick Browns angle. Yeah, because yes, everyone

543
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 3: was reminded. I think of a couple of TNF games.

544
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 3: Number one the Flaco game a couple of years ago,

545
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 3: when he led them to a playoff berth that was

546
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 3: pretty sweet on TNF and they're chanting Flacco's name just

547
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 3: like they were. Wasn't as loud, but at the beginning

548
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 3: of that last drive they were chanting Flacco's name. Also,

549
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,400
Speaker 3: you know last year there was a great Browns game

550
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 3: on TNF by the way, in the snow that you

551
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:56,679
Speaker 3: went to.

552
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a classic.

553
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 3: But watching Flacco in this system the last six quarters,

554
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 3: because he was great in the second half two against

555
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 3: the Packers, a really good defense, it just makes the

556
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 3: Browns look even worse. Like it does reminds you how

557
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,879
Speaker 3: tough it is right now for Dylan Gabriel or if

558
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 3: should Sanders ever plays Shad Sanders like just just fighting

559
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,400
Speaker 3: so hard uphill and now look what Joe Flacco can

560
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 3: do supported not even by a great offensive line or

561
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 3: anything obviously great weapons around him.

562
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it must be weird for Joe Flacco to join

563
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,120
Speaker 4: the team that he should have beaten in Week one.

564
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 4: Like he played well enough in that game the two

565
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 4: pisi threw where basically bobbles and drops right into the

566
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 4: hands of Bengals defenders, like he played very well. Uh,

567
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 4: and then from there things got worse in Cleveland. The

568
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,159
Speaker 4: offensive line broke down, they lost their tackles, They couldn't

569
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Speaker 4: protect him. Flacco is not mobile. He could not break

570
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Speaker 4: the pocket. And I know I'm saying Flacco is not

571
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 4: mobile on a night in which he took his own

572
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 4: read option around the left side for a first down,

573
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Speaker 4: which was if you threw a thousand plays on the wall,

574
00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 4: that would be the last play I'd picked that the

575
00:27:59,040 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 4: Bengals would call.

576
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 2: Why it was a Galaxy brain call. But like, he

577
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 2: couldn't move.

578
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 4: And the most damning part of it for the Browns

579
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 4: is the fact that Flacco looks ten times.

580
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 2: Better with good receivers. That's all.

581
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:18,400
Speaker 4: It took good receivers the Browns, Jerry Judy dropping passes

582
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,400
Speaker 4: over and over again when Flacco hits him in his hands,

583
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 4: started in Week one continue throughout the rest of his tenure.

584
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 4: Defenses eventually came to the point where they were like,

585
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 4: we don't have to worry about them hurting us in

586
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,360
Speaker 4: the passing game because those guys aren't going to catch

587
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 4: the ball anyway. All we have to do is stop

588
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 4: the run and pin their ears back on third and long.

589
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 4: Get after Flacco because we know he can't move. That

590
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 4: is a losing scenario. And the Browns benching of Joe

591
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 4: Flacco was justified because of their weaknesses everywhere else. But

592
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 4: that is not to criticize Joe Flacco, because clearly he

593
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 4: still has it. It's just that's how bad the situation

594
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 4: is in Cleveland.

595
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 3: The offensive line like they have to play and we

596
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 3: don't want this to be a Brown's discussion, so we'll

597
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 3: move on afterwards. But yeah, the offensive line is so bad,

598
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 3: and it's the differ difference, I think between a mediocre

599
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 3: offensive line, which is what the Bengals have. But that's

600
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 3: it's kind of all you need. It's all you like

601
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 3: want in the end is just to not have your

602
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 3: offensive line kill you. And Browns have the most expensive

603
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 3: offensive line in the league. Yeah, a ton of resources

604
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 3: and it absolutely kills their team.

605
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 4: There is one big difference too, like I still see

606
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 4: people wearing Flaco T shirts even though after they traded him.

607
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 4: One difference between two years ago and now. In his

608
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 4: time with the Browns, they had a Marii Cooper two

609
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 4: years ago, Amari Cooper who could still catch the ball.

610
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 4: He was Joe Flaccos Jumar Chase for most of that season.

611
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 4: They don't have that receiver anymore. That was the big difference.

612
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 3: They don't And you know what, one member of the

613
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 3: media for the Steelers also won't have bow boy his

614
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 3: nipples as untiful and un.

615
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Speaker 2: Unaltered.

616
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 3: Unaltered would be the way. I don't know if you

617
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 3: saw this, but yeah, yeah, A low radio guy Andrew

618
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,479
Speaker 3: Philipponi I believe is his name, on ninety three zero

619
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Speaker 3: point seven. The fan said that the Steelers had, you know,

620
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 3: no chance that they would lose this game and he

621
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 3: would get his nipples pierced without any painkiller I believe,

622
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 3: or any medication beforehand if they lost this game, and

623
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Speaker 3: he at the end of the night he sent the

624
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Speaker 3: picture of his Harry nipples, which I did not need

625
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 3: to see and say like this is the last time,

626
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 3: you know, say goodbye to these sweet babies? Is he?

627
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 4: Is he getting both? Is he getting a hoop? Is

628
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 4: he getting a bar? These are the details and in

629
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 4: fact live stream the piercing it.

630
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Speaker 3: So I'm not gonna watch, but it's good. Honestly, I

631
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 3: feel like I've a anoid almost giving him so much

632
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 3: attention because he is someone who is a radio guy there,

633
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 3: who's always looking to get attention, has had so many

634
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 3: wrong reports about the Steelers over the years. But yeah,

635
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 3: he should be shamed for saying one of those stupid

636
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 3: things he said, no way the Steelers lose tonight. In fact,

637
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 3: they'll get my nipples pierced with no numbing agents if

638
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 3: they lose to the Bungles. It ain't happening. Well, you

639
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 3: know what it happened. So what football is about? You know?

640
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 3: Of course, you would rather have a career where you

641
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 3: just have sustained, like really high level play, not because

642
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 3: that's what you can control, but as much fun as

643
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 3: Philip Rivers, for instance, had, and he might be going

644
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 3: to the Hall of Fame. Man Joe Flacco has strung

645
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 3: together a collection of moments, the greatest one being, of

646
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 3: of course, one of the greatest Super Bowl performances I

647
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 3: think of all time, and certainly one of the greatest

648
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 3: postseason performances. But he's also just had nights. A lot

649
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 3: of them have come against Mike Tomlin and the Steelers.

650
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 3: One of them came for your Browns. I don't think

651
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 3: he had one for the Jets. That's just how bad

652
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 3: the Jets are.

653
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 2: For the you know, the Broncos.

654
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 3: Nights like tonight, That's that's what life is like, not

655
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 3: just career. It's like he's not going to the Hall

656
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 3: of Fame someday, but damn like, we're never gonna forget

657
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 3: Joe Flacco. It's one of the reasons why I hate

658
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 3: the quote, like, well, if you can't you tell the

659
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 3: story of football without him, he deserve you know, he's

660
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 3: gonna be in.

661
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 2: The Hall of Fame.

662
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 3: No, you can put him in the Hall of Fun sure, sure,

663
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 3: because like he's given us a lot. I didn't know

664
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 3: if we would have another one, but he gave us

665
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 3: another one tonight.

666
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it.

667
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 4: I mean, he's a great guy for it to happen

668
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 4: to you know, he's a classic, just a happy dad

669
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 4: and a good husband who can still sling the rock

670
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 4: and can still get calls from teams.

671
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 2: Get off of his couch. He did that two years ago.

672
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 2: He's been on team since.

673
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 4: Then make a drive down across the state, cram the

674
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 4: offense while he's driving, well, while somebody's driving him down

675
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 4: to Cincinnati, and go out and deliver in prime time.

676
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 3: I love it. I mean, we had collected so many

677
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 3: highlights from this game, and yet they almost feel secondary.

678
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 3: The one funny moment that I don't want to forget, though,

679
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 3: is just Aaron Rodgers cussing out Jayalen Horn early in

680
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 3: the game on what appeared to be a flea flicker

681
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 3: that was not supposed to be a flee flicker, which,

682
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 3: judging by the reaction of Rogers like I believe him.

683
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,719
Speaker 3: He was so surprised to get the ball back and

684
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 3: he yells, what are you doing? What the eff are

685
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 3: you doing? And then according to pretty expert lip readers,

686
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 3: I think he just says, that was not supposed to

687
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 3: be a flea flicker. So shout out to Aaron Rodgers

688
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 3: for being aware enough in the moment to catch that

689
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 3: ball and then throw it into the ground.

690
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 4: He gets like surprised by the ball and just that

691
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 4: how do you mess up that play call like a

692
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 4: Fleet flicker play call has got to be pretty unique.

693
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 2: But right, that's what I was like.

694
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 3: Is there a chance Rogers is the one that messed

695
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 3: that up? And he forgot and just in the moment,

696
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 3: like lost his head because like, I don't know, how

697
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,479
Speaker 3: would a running back think to do that? And everyone

698
00:33:56,520 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 3: else is blocking the play? Who who really knows? What

699
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 3: a night? And yeah, you mentioned the inflexibility from the Steelers.

700
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 3: I just checked while you were chatting, and they were

701
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 3: in man coverage almost fifty percent tonight yep, in the

702
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 3: year twenty twenty five.

703
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:14,439
Speaker 2: Yep.

704
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 4: And that is how you get toasted by a premier

705
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 4: route runner like Jamar Chase to the tune of sixteen catches.

706
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:22,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, great fantasy night for Jamar.

707
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 3: It feels like, yeah, unreal, yea, all the people that

708
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 3: thought the T Higgins and Jamar Chase fantasy seasons were over,

709
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 3: Joe Flacco has come to save them. Like the Bengals,

710
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 3: The Bengers are at three and four, like they were

711
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 3: the worst team in football for a month straight and

712
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 3: yet they are at three and four, and yeah, the

713
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 3: Steelers fall to four and two. I'm looking at a

714
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 3: schedule that has their preseason, right, I don't need that. Okay,

715
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 3: let's take a quick break. We're gonna come back and

716
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:57,839
Speaker 3: we're gonna talk about what teams we think could make

717
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,320
Speaker 3: the super Bowl. We'll see if you're in sort on

718
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 3: the Stealers. Change back on NFL Daily, getting ready for

719
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 3: a segment that I thought we were going to use

720
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 3: after like a fifteen to twenty minute recap of a

721
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 3: boring game. I was watching the game first half with

722
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 3: Daniel Jeremiah and he's like, this game is a snoozer,

723
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 3: and then yeah, somewhere around the mid second quarter, it

724
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 3: just all went crazy. That's the great thing about the NFL.

725
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 3: Like these games are long, they can change so many

726
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 3: different times. In my conception of this show change, so

727
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 3: the idea shook. It's simple, what teams can we imagine

728
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 3: in the super Bowl? The way that this season has gone,

729
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 3: it really seems to have opened up the canopy to

730
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 3: more teams. And since the Steelers are who inspired me,

731
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 3: I'll start with their with them, can you imagine this

732
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 3: team in the super Bowl?

733
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 4: They weren't on my list before this game, and they're

734
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 4: still not on my list or and I feel very vindicated.

735
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 4: I feel like, my take is pretty five here because

736
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 4: I am concerned about their defense and I feel as

737
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 4: though they've played a relatively soft schedule. It was funny

738
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 4: they threw up a graphic during the game and it

739
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 4: said showed the AFC North and it was one to

740
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 4: oh one and oh one to know and then the

741
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 4: Browns at bottom nine three, and I'm like, well, they

742
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:15,839
Speaker 4: all beat the Browns like they haven't even played any

743
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 4: division games yet.

744
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 2: This is only the Steelers second division game. They haven't

745
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:19,399
Speaker 2: been tested yet.

746
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 4: I need to see them tested legitimately before I can

747
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 4: put them in there. Yes, four and one was great,

748
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,240
Speaker 4: four and two doesn't look as strong after this loss.

749
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,760
Speaker 4: I have questions about them. But if you win the division,

750
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 4: you're in the play you're in the playoffs, and you're

751
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 4: in the race. But right now I'm not seeing them

752
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 4: in the Steelers in the super Bowl.

753
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 3: Okay, And it's just can We're not saying likely, We're

754
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 3: just like, would we be totally shocked? All right, we won't.

755
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 3: We won't put the Steelers down. I gotta say, coming

756
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 3: into tonight, maybe I was falling for what had been

757
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 3: a relatively easy schedule, But thinking about tonight, they also

758
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 3: it's a short week on the road. They quietly the

759
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 3: Browns deserve a little bit of an assist here that

760
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 3: they had the Steelers defense somehow on the field for

761
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 3: eighty playslast week. That fourth quarter took forever.

762
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 2: Some of the starters were out in the late stages.

763
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, but like I saw, Patrick Queen, if

764
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 3: you count the penalties, was on the field for eighty

765
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 3: two snaps last week, like there were some of the

766
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 3: Steelers that were out there for a ton of snaps. Anyways,

767
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 3: I shouldn't move so far off my priors. Can I

768
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 3: really see Aaron Rodgers winning three playoff games or getting

769
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 3: a buy like? No, I can't, So let's stay in

770
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 3: the division. Can Are the Bengals a team that you

771
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 3: think can make the Super Bowl? Now, in this scenario,

772
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 3: Flacco would have to keep it afloat long enough for

773
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:37,399
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow to make it happen.

774
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say no as well, just because Burrow's return

775
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 4: is going to be so late in the season. You

776
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 4: think about rest versus rust, Well, it's rehabbing versus rust.

777
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,879
Speaker 4: And I'm just as good as he is, and he's fantastic.

778
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 4: It just diminishes my belief in them.

779
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:53,720
Speaker 3: Well, here's the thing, Joe Flacco didn't fix the defense.

780
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 3: I know they didn't have Trey Hendrickson. Tonight should have

781
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 3: mentioned that right at the top. That's amazing to get

782
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 3: a win without, Hey, Trey Hendrickson. He's not going to

783
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 3: solve everything. It's a bad defense. It's not great in

784
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 3: terms of their kicking game on special teams, they're giving

785
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,919
Speaker 3: up like long kick returns all the time. I agree,

786
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 3: I don't think they can make the super Bowl. But

787
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 3: the fact that Joe Burrow, you know, is their quarterback,

788
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 3: it's tough to cross them out. The Browns are obviously

789
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 3: a cross out. They can't even make the playoffs, and

790
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 3: the Ravens are the other team in this division. I

791
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 3: think they can still make the super Bowl.

792
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 4: I divided my teams into sections. I have five teams

793
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 4: that I definitely believe can make the Super Bowl. I

794
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 4: have one where I just need a p AFC. No,

795
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 4: this is overall, this is just make it.

796
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 3: Man. I'm a hater, and I have a.

797
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 2: Chunk of teams.

798
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 4: I have a chunk of teams that I just have

799
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 4: a thing or two that need to be answered. And

800
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 4: the Ravens, for me, just need to get healthy. If

801
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 4: they get healthy, they can turn everything around. So I

802
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 4: could see them in the Super Bowl.

803
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 3: Then they're written down that they This is supposed to

804
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 3: be a big tent exercise. And I'm thinking about the

805
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 3: seasons back in the day, like when the Packers made

806
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,479
Speaker 3: it as a sixty, when the Cardinals made it after

807
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 3: losing two games by like thirty points in December. We

808
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 3: used to have more seasons, or at least there was

809
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 3: a little stretch there where you'd see some lower seeded

810
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 3: surprising teams.

811
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:14,800
Speaker 2: The Giants.

812
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Giants twice making it without having good rate,

813
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 3: Like it feels like one of those sort of seasons.

814
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 3: So keep that in mind. Okay, we're writing down the Ravens.

815
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 3: Man AFC North teams are not going to be happy

816
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 3: that we wrote down the Ravens and not the Steelers

817
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 3: of the Bengals. All right, af C East. Can you

818
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 3: see the Patriots in the Super Bowl?

819
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 4: Not at this point, but I love their trajectory, and God,

820
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 4: what a story would be if Mike Rable got to

821
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:41,919
Speaker 4: the Super Bowl in year one.

822
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 3: Drake May two thousand and one Patriots, there's more unlikely

823
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 3: team than that to make the Super Bowl.

824
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 2: They had a great defense.

825
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 4: I mean, all I can say is Drake may Is,

826
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 4: he's in my top ten and QB and IC he

827
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 4: continues to rise. I think he's up to number seven

828
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 4: right now. And if he if he stays on this path,

829
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 4: they're in the conversation for almost anything. It's just at

830
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 4: this point right now, I can't envision them there just yet.

831
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 3: You know, can can you win a division and you

832
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 3: have a home game, you got a chance. Yeah, all right,

833
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 3: We're not gonna write down the Patriots just because I

834
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 3: don't want to jinx anything. The Bills I think are

835
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 3: an obvious yes, despite how rough they are, Like right

836
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 3: now on defense, we're talking projection. You gotta imagine it's

837
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 3: a long season, shook. There is a scenario where the

838
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 3: Buffalo Bills make the Super Bowl.

839
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Speaker 4: Come on, you could have said that over the last

840
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 4: five years too. I just think they're frauds personally. I

841
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 4: don't know if they're going to fix their defense. I

842
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 4: know they're missing a couple of guys, but.

843
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 3: It's can, it's can, come on, Come with me, come with.

844
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,359
Speaker 4: Me, Okay, all right, So I'm not putting my life

845
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 4: you're a If they're frauds. Okay, I'll say both they can,

846
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 4: but they're not going to.

847
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 3: Well, of course, only one team from each conference are

848
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,359
Speaker 3: going to the idea of this exercise like who has

849
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 3: a legitimate chance. Obviously we're crossing out the Dolphins and

850
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 3: the Jets. We don't need to discuss that. Let's go

851
00:40:56,600 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 3: to the South where we cross out the Titans for sure.

852
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 3: Between the Texans, Jaguars and the Colts. How many teams

853
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 3: do you think can make the Super Bowl? I want

854
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 3: you to expand your your list of five teams in

855
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,439
Speaker 3: the NFL, because to me, it's like it's like ten

856
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 3: to twelve.

857
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 4: Come on me, all right, okay, all right, I will

858
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 4: two of those three can?

859
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 2: Two of those three can?

860
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 4: I want to find cracks in the Colts, and I

861
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 4: just can't so far. And until they show me that

862
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 4: they have cracks in them, I'm going to continue to say, yeah,

863
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 4: they have a shot. I have some concerns about their defense.

864
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 4: I think they need to go get another corner. But

865
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 4: as they're playing right now, they're looking like one of

866
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 4: the best teams in the NFL.

867
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 3: Okay, who is the other one?

868
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 4: Then it's going to surprise you. It's the Houston Texans

869
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 4: because at the defense, defense travels and CJ. Strouds had

870
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 4: a couple of really great games. And I know you

871
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,320
Speaker 4: have to consider the opponent, but if they can continue

872
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 4: this momentum that they've built because they look a little

873
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 4: more organized offensively, and the offensive line has been playing better,

874
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 4: and if they get Joe Mixon back eventually that would

875
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 4: be a nice little boost for them as well, then

876
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 4: I could see them putting it together because that defense

877
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 4: is good and that defense will travel.

878
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 3: Jaguars are a tougher case. I agree with you on

879
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 3: everything you said for both of those and I think

880
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 3: the thing to remember fans, the NFL season is so long.

881
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 3: These teams are going to change identities. Many of the

882
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 3: teams we just talk about are gonna look completely different

883
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 3: for completely different reasons of strength and weaknesses than we

884
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 3: think in six weeks, and then they'll change again in

885
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 3: four weeks. But who has like enough to either get

886
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 3: them in position and then ultimately the talent at the

887
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 3: end of the day. That's why it's why I don't

888
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 3: I don't mind crossing off the Bengals because ultimately I

889
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 3: think their defensive problems are personnel and they just will

890
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 3: never be able to get over that. I don't think

891
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 3: it's crazy to write down the Jags. They got a lot,

892
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 3: They got a lot of potential aspects to their team

893
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,839
Speaker 3: that could come together. Overall, I like the coaching, I

894
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 3: like the running game. I certainly have doubts about Trevor Lawrence.

895
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 3: I've seen crazier quarterbacks make it to a Super Bowl,

896
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 3: but I'm writing them down. Sorry, no one in the

897
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 3: West going to the West. The Chiefs are an obvious Yes,

898
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 3: I know three and three, but what are we talking

899
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 3: about here? The Raiders are an obvious crossout, So that

900
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:32,240
Speaker 3: leaves the Broncos and the Chargers. Can either of those

901
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 3: teams make the Super Bowl.

902
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 4: The Chargers are only going to be able to get

903
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 4: one of their tackles back, but it would be a

904
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 4: big boost for them.

905
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 2: They've lost time.

906
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:44,800
Speaker 3: Might be this week. Joe All is practicing as we're taping.

907
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,399
Speaker 3: Both Khalil Mack and Joe All have a chance. They're

908
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 3: playing on Thursday Night Football. I tried to get some

909
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 3: intel and it seems like Mac is maybe more likely

910
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,720
Speaker 3: to play this week than Alt, especially with the Thursday

911
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,240
Speaker 3: night game coming up for the Chargers. But that's good

912
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 3: good that you know both of them might be back

913
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 3: on the field.

914
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 4: So I hope he's wearing a giant elbow brace too,

915
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 4: because I thought that might have been a season ender

916
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:07,240
Speaker 4: when he suffered that injury.

917
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 2: So that's great, NAIs.

918
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 4: I think that they are going to have to continue

919
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 4: to try to manage this running back situation until we

920
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,359
Speaker 4: get Hampton back. But they have enough talent receiver, and

921
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 4: I think overall, like the culture is taking effect. It's

922
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 4: just that right now they're like grinding out games because

923
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 4: this is all they can do offensively.

924
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 2: So yes, I could see them getting there.

925
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 3: And I'm gonna say yes for the Broncos too, because again,

926
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,359
Speaker 3: even though I wasn't that high on the Broncos coming

927
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,280
Speaker 3: into the year, I have a little bit of doubt

928
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,399
Speaker 3: about Joe Nick bo Nicks. It's been a long week.

929
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 3: I just think they have enough that if everything came together,

930
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 3: they fit my criteria. Yeah, great defensive line obviously, very

931
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:53,720
Speaker 3: good defense overall, a very good offensive line, great play caller.

932
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 3: And my point is I'm making a big ten. I

933
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 3: really think a lot of teams have a chance this year.

934
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 3: Doesn't mean we won't be watching the Chiefs in the

935
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 3: Super Bowl like that could happen. But I just think

936
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 3: more teams than before in the last handful of years,

937
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 3: where it's been dominated in the AFC by these quarterbacks

938
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 3: with enough backing behind them. I just think there's more

939
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,399
Speaker 3: teams this year. So in the AFC, I've written down

940
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 3: the Chargers, Broncos, Bill's, Ravens, Chiefs, Colts, Texans, and Jags.

941
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 3: That's a lot of AFC teams. I love it. There's

942
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 3: eight and yeah, Patriots fans, Steelers fans, Bengals fans, they're

943
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 3: not going to be happy that we didn't leave them out. Okay,

944
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 3: that we left them out. Okay, let's go to the

945
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 3: NFC quickly. NFC obviously, you know the Giants. It's hard

946
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:47,879
Speaker 3: to imagine. Cowboys. You know, I love Dak, but it's

947
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 3: hard to imagine. Do you think the Commanders and the

948
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 3: Eagles could make it?

949
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 4: Eagles could definitely make it if they could figure out

950
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 4: their own drama, Like it feels like the junior high

951
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 4: lunch table with this team right now, but.

952
00:45:58,239 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 2: They are talented enough.

953
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 4: Losses on defense are more glaring than I thought they

954
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:05,760
Speaker 4: would be, but ultimately I still think if they get healthy,

955
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 4: they're going to make a run and they'll be there,

956
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:11,439
Speaker 4: or they'll have a chance to be there. Commanders, Jade

957
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 4: Daniels is back, and as long as he's back, I

958
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:15,439
Speaker 4: have a lot of belief in them. And get Terry

959
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:17,879
Speaker 4: McLaurin back, they're going to be in a pretty good spot.

960
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 4: That defense is old and kind of slow and not

961
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 4: very resilient, but when you got Jade and Daniels, you

962
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 4: always have a shot.

963
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 2: So I could see both of them making a run.

964
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,839
Speaker 3: Yeah. The criterion the NFC is different. It's interesting because

965
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 3: it's not top heavy, but I don't think you're going

966
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 3: to sneak through the NFC playoffs night.

967
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 2: I think four of my five teams were NFC teams.

968
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, so the Commanders are a tough one for me

969
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:43,359
Speaker 3: because I like a lot of the things that they've done.

970
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 3: I'll write them down.

971
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 4: Though.

972
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 3: I think we should qualify this as this is how

973
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 3: big a tent. I want show a second if the

974
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 3: actual Super Bowl winner or participants, because it's just making

975
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 3: the super Bowl. If it does not include if the

976
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 3: super Bowl includes a team that we did not list tonight,

977
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:03,240
Speaker 3: we should have to get our nipples.

978
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 2: Piers.

979
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna do that.

980
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:06,760
Speaker 2: Put one on the line.

981
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:11,359
Speaker 3: You know, but that's like, that's the type of big

982
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,359
Speaker 3: ten I'm asking for. It's just just a possibility, Like

983
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 3: would you really put your nipples on the line saying

984
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 3: that the Bengals wouldn't make the Super Bowl? I might

985
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 3: be afraid of Joe Burrow, you never know. I'm ready

986
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 3: to cross off the Bears, even though they're having a

987
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 3: good season. I just think that's if they won a

988
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 3: playoff game, that'd be unreal. I just can't imagine them

989
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 3: winning three. I kind of doubt you disagree there. So

990
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 3: let's go to the other three teams. Packers seem like

991
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 3: an obvious yes, and that leaves, you know, the Vikings

992
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:51,359
Speaker 3: and the Lions. The Lions feel like an obvious yes.

993
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 3: What do you think about the Vikings?

994
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, Lions are an obvious yes.

995
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 4: I feel like we don't know who the Vikings are

996
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 4: because they haven't had their quarterback since the start of

997
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 4: the season. And yes, he's a essentially a pseudo rookie,

998
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:04,839
Speaker 4: like a rookie by default. But until they get JJ

999
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 4: McCarthy back, that's when we start to really evaluate. I

1000
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:09,479
Speaker 4: think that they've gotten better than they were last year,

1001
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 4: and obviously the record doesn't show it, but there is

1002
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 4: a lot of potential lurking beneath the surface that could

1003
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:18,399
Speaker 4: come through in the second half of this tear.

1004
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 3: You want to write down the vikings, Yes, okay, I'll

1005
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 3: go along with you, because I'd like for them to

1006
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 3: get more in the mix. It's a little hard for

1007
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 3: me to imagine with the way their quarterback play is

1008
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 3: right now. But I certainly would have said the same

1009
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 3: on the day that Carson Wentz went out for the

1010
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 3: season for the eleven and two Eagles back in twenty seventeen.

1011
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 3: In fact, I did say it on the route, and

1012
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 3: I think we all talked about it on the Around

1013
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 3: the NFL podcast, and a handful of weeks later, Nick

1014
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 3: Foles outdueled Tom Brady in one of the tom Brady's

1015
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,919
Speaker 3: best performances in the Super Bowl. So they could round

1016
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 3: into form at quarterback eventually, and then they have a

1017
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 3: lot of other stuff. I agree. In the NFC South,

1018
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 3: it's a bridge too far, obviously for the Saints and

1019
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 3: the Panthers. Sorry Panthers fans. If you guys get a

1020
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 3: seven seed, you know, throw a parade. But we're talking

1021
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 3: about the Super Bowl. Can the Falcons make it I

1022
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 3: think we'd both agree the Bucks are an obvious yes

1023
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 3: that they could make the Super Bowl.

1024
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 4: I don't think the Falcons didn't make it, but I

1025
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 4: think they're on the right path because they've they've competed

1026
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 4: with some of the tougher teams that they've faced so far.

1027
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 4: I feel like this is a team that maybe runs

1028
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 4: out of gas because they're a little too one dimensional.

1029
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 4: But I love where they are from last year this year,

1030
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:28,399
Speaker 4: they're on a great path.

1031
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 3: I've seen crazier Super Bowl teams than the Falcons. But

1032
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 3: I will go back to what I just said about

1033
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 3: the NFC. I don't think anyone's slipping through there. So

1034
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 3: you put the Falcons in the AFC.

1035
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 2: I give them a.

1036
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 3: Fighting chance to get to the conference championship at least

1037
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 3: or something crazy. I do think that defense has going

1038
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:50,879
Speaker 3: to have to show that it can be this good

1039
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 3: all season. It sometimes a team that's so well schemed up,

1040
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 3: you know, teams catch up with them. We'll see the

1041
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 3: Vikings have been scheming it up for a couple of years.

1042
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,840
Speaker 3: Definitely writing down the Bucks, it's obvious that they're contenders

1043
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 3: this year, and then how many teams are you going

1044
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 3: with out of the West. The Cardinals are to me

1045
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:08,799
Speaker 3: an obvious no, and so who are you saying a

1046
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 3: yes too?

1047
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,479
Speaker 4: For the other three teams, Seattle Seahawks are the first

1048
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 4: one on my list. They just look like a closer

1049
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 4: thing to a complete team. I would also like to

1050
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 4: put the Rams on that list. I think it's going

1051
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 4: to be more challenging for them. I am not going

1052
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:27,720
Speaker 4: to put the forty nine ers on the list because

1053
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 4: despite them getting to this point, with all these injuries

1054
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 4: that they've suffered, in Kyle Shanahan's ability to squeeze the

1055
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 4: most juice out of that fruit, I just think it's

1056
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 4: gonna be too much to overcome.

1057
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 3: Totally agree. If Nick Bosa and Fred Warner were healthy,

1058
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 3: obviously they're in the mix. I think Kyle Shannan could

1059
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 3: be a problem for a lot of teams, including the

1060
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 3: Falcons this weekend and find his way to playing for

1061
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 3: the NFC West title in week eighteen or something like

1062
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:58,399
Speaker 3: that's on the table. A four seed or a six seed.

1063
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 3: I just don't think you're going to be able to

1064
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:03,319
Speaker 3: make the Super Bowl without those horses. And I think

1065
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 3: the Seahawks and Rams to me are pretty obvious because

1066
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 3: I think the upside for both teams are sky high.

1067
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 3: So in the NFC we wound up going with the Packers, Lions, Eagles, Commanders, Vikings, Bucks, Seahawks,

1068
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 3: and Rams, which means we went with eight teams in

1069
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:22,839
Speaker 3: the NFC and eight teams in the AFC. Is that right?

1070
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 2: That's too many?

1071
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 3: It's not. That's the point, and that's the headline, sixteen

1072
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:32,840
Speaker 3: teams that can make the super Bowl in Santa Clara.

1073
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 3: I don't think that's a crazy take on a night

1074
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:40,359
Speaker 3: where Joe Flacco showed us anything as possible. Shookie, we

1075
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 3: did it. You killed it. As always love doing shows

1076
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,279
Speaker 3: with you. We're going to be doing them in primetime

1077
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 3: all season long, and next time you will hear me,

1078
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 3: it will be with Cynthia Freeland from the podcast Studio

1079
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 3: and we will be doing our week seven hits. The

1080
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 3: train was on rolling year