WEBVTT - S1-E08: The Ticking Clock

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<v Speaker 1>Diversion podcasts. Hey, this is Stephen Talty, the host of

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<v Speaker 1>this podcast, Good Assassin's Hunting the Butcher. This podcast project

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<v Speaker 1>came out of my work on a related book called

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<v Speaker 1>The Good Assassin. If you want to explore other parts

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<v Speaker 1>of this story, check it out. It's not just a

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<v Speaker 1>book version of the podcast. I spend time on different

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<v Speaker 1>aspects of the mission. There are chapters diving into World

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<v Speaker 1>War two history that we didn't cover in the podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>and the book works as a kind of a companion

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<v Speaker 1>to the listening experience. You can purchase a copy of

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<v Speaker 1>The Good Assassin on Amazon, Apple Books, and on bookshop

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<v Speaker 1>dot Org. Thanks a note, this episode contains descriptions of

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<v Speaker 1>graphic violence listeners describe and is advised. Mio was happy

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<v Speaker 1>to be back in Paris. His children had missed him.

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<v Speaker 1>His young son, in fact, had asked so many times

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<v Speaker 1>when his father was coming home that MEA's wife arranged

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<v Speaker 1>for a friend to call and pretend to be her husband.

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<v Speaker 1>But when the boy got on the line, he knew

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<v Speaker 1>the voice on the other end wasn't Meos and he'd

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<v Speaker 1>been crushed. So he was overjoyed that his father was

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<v Speaker 1>finally home. But me his mission wasn't completed. The final

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<v Speaker 1>act was still to take place in Uruguay and in

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<v Speaker 1>your's apartment in the heart of Paris. The team started

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<v Speaker 1>putting the pieces together. I'm Stephen Talty and this as

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<v Speaker 1>good assassin's hunting the butcher. The first pile was to

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<v Speaker 1>find and not bendling forward file. The second clock was

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<v Speaker 1>mine a Nazi and hearing we must thwart this shameful

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<v Speaker 1>pass the end of a trail of blood and horror,

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<v Speaker 1>the end of a man whose name will be written

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<v Speaker 1>in the end Episode eight, the ticking clock. There was

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of work to do. We've had collected all

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<v Speaker 1>the letters and telegrams that Meo had said from the field.

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<v Speaker 1>Neo had brought back maps of Montevideo and sal Polo,

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<v Speaker 1>lots of information on hotels and unning cars and the

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<v Speaker 1>vacation home market. He'd written down exactly what he needed

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<v Speaker 1>to go through passport control and what problems the other

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<v Speaker 1>team members might find. Nothing could be left to chance.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a file on Zookers, what he was like,

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<v Speaker 1>what he didn't like, what his habits were. But they

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<v Speaker 1>still didn't have a place with the assassination could be

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<v Speaker 1>carried out. They didn't even know how it was going

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<v Speaker 1>to be carried out. On the trip back to France,

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<v Speaker 1>knew I had given some thought to that. He was

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<v Speaker 1>very straightforward about it, he later wrote in his memoir.

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<v Speaker 1>I pointed out that the distant sniper shot was not,

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<v Speaker 1>in my opinion, at least a shootable option, most because

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<v Speaker 1>of the noise and because it would not allow us

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<v Speaker 1>to give him the clue. Degrass I also rejected the

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<v Speaker 1>use of poison. I gave detailed the count of the

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<v Speaker 1>so called drinking night I had set up the Japanese nightclub.

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<v Speaker 1>I mentioned his strange habit of sipping his drink in

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<v Speaker 1>an ever so slow, almost nerve wracking fashion. The sniper

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<v Speaker 1>shot would have been a possibility if they've been carrying

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<v Speaker 1>out the assassination on their home soil, but the team

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<v Speaker 1>had a factor in their need to escape. It was

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<v Speaker 1>always a temptation to devote more time to figuring out

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<v Speaker 1>how to eliminate a target than to figuring out how

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<v Speaker 1>to get away once you've done it. They couldn't fall

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<v Speaker 1>into that trap. Bessad wanted everyone to suspect that Israel

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<v Speaker 1>had carried out the killing, but it didn't want any

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<v Speaker 1>of its agents to actually get caught. That could lead

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<v Speaker 1>to interrogations and other things. What they were doing wasn't legal.

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<v Speaker 1>Secris wasn't going to get a trial or have a

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<v Speaker 1>lawyer like Adafikman had got after Massad kidnapped him. They

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<v Speaker 1>didn't want Massad to be the story. They wanted Suckers

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<v Speaker 1>to be the story. So the team members had to

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<v Speaker 1>carry out the killing, gather their belongings, and head to

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<v Speaker 1>the airport. They had to get on the plane and

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<v Speaker 1>get safely back to Europe before Sucker's body was discovered.

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<v Speaker 1>That influenced how the assassination would be carried out. It

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't be public, it couldn't be loud, and the body

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<v Speaker 1>had to be left out of sight so that someone

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<v Speaker 1>didn't stumble on it and raise the alarm before the

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<v Speaker 1>agents had time to leave the country. A hotel room,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, was out the maid would find the body

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<v Speaker 1>too quickly. Neo gave the finale a lot of thought.

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<v Speaker 1>It was his call. He had met Sukers. He had

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<v Speaker 1>a better sense of what would work than you, even

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<v Speaker 1>the others who've been busy training. But by the time

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<v Speaker 1>he met with the team, me had an idea. I

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<v Speaker 1>believe that's the best way is to lure him into

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<v Speaker 1>a house where an elimination unit will be waiting for him.

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<v Speaker 1>From my intense and intimate acquaintance with the late one,

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<v Speaker 1>and from the numerous hours we have spent together, which

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<v Speaker 1>have included many visits to various rental sights, I'm convinced

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<v Speaker 1>he will enter any house I do. He trusts me,

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<v Speaker 1>but get him. Ron, the former messodge and military historian,

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<v Speaker 1>learned later what Mia wasn't aware of at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Suchers did not trust Anton Kunzla as much as he believed.

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<v Speaker 1>Still the last moment, was not fully sure that the

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<v Speaker 1>meal is kosher. He took a picture of meal, gave

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<v Speaker 1>it to his wife and told her, if something happens

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<v Speaker 1>to me, if I don't come back, this is the killer.

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<v Speaker 1>He killed me. It was a plan, but it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>fool proof. Zukers had already shown that he was suspicious.

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<v Speaker 1>He seemed to trust MEO and some little thing would

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<v Speaker 1>send him off and they were almost back to zero again.

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<v Speaker 1>That was the first risk. The second was Zuker's physical strength.

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<v Speaker 1>Mio knew that you're reeve and the team members getting

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<v Speaker 1>tired of his warnings about how tough the butcher was,

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<v Speaker 1>but he didn't care. He was a lead agent. This

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<v Speaker 1>was his mission. You had to see the guy to understand.

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<v Speaker 1>He looked like a competitive weightlifter, so Mio kept at it.

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<v Speaker 1>He told your Reeve again about how Zukers was a

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<v Speaker 1>highly mistrustful man, acutely vigilant, armed with a gun, and

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<v Speaker 1>of great physical strength. You're reeve nodded, but he was

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<v Speaker 1>probably thinking Meo was getting a little paranoid himself. Massad

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<v Speaker 1>agents were war veterans. They killed before the butcher was

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<v Speaker 1>sixty four years old. They would take care of him

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<v Speaker 1>without any problem. You Reef told me, oh, he'd done

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<v Speaker 1>a good job. But for the killed team getting the

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<v Speaker 1>butcher inside the house, that was the tricky part. They

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<v Speaker 1>would take care of the rest. If four strong Israelis

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't handle a senior citizen, well, then Massad was in trouble.

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<v Speaker 1>You Reef went over MEO's plan and quickly approved it,

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<v Speaker 1>and he confirmed one important detail before the sentence was

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<v Speaker 1>carried out. The team would read out a verdict in

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<v Speaker 1>the name of the thirty thousand men, women and children

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<v Speaker 1>that Sukers had helped kill. Would be like a judge's

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<v Speaker 1>sentence would show the world the Israelis had given serious

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<v Speaker 1>thought to why Sukers had to die. In no way

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<v Speaker 1>could the execution be equated with the death of his victims.

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<v Speaker 1>They had to show that they had carefully considered his crimes.

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<v Speaker 1>This was justice, not vengeance. This raised an intriguing possibility.

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<v Speaker 1>If they were going to take the time to read

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<v Speaker 1>the charges, maybe Sucres would respond. Maybe he'd even defend himself.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe I thought he'd tell the Israelis why he'd done

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<v Speaker 1>what he'd done. In my quest to know the motives

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<v Speaker 1>behind his actions, this would be a perfect time for

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<v Speaker 1>Suckers himself to tell his story. Or if he was

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<v Speaker 1>truly an anti Semite at heart, maybe facing five Jewish

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<v Speaker 1>assassins would reveal that. Maybe he'd shout some abuse at

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<v Speaker 1>the team. They would at least be a clue. But

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<v Speaker 1>one thing was for sure. With this plan, there would

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<v Speaker 1>be a chance for Zukers to finally tell the truth.

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<v Speaker 1>Mia was satisfied all the work he'd put in had

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<v Speaker 1>been vindicated. They were going ahead with his plan. The

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<v Speaker 1>debate in the German Parliament was coming up in a

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<v Speaker 1>few months. They all hoped a successful mission would influence

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<v Speaker 1>it On the ninth of November, a letter arrived the

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<v Speaker 1>Rotterdam po box that MEO had set up months earlier.

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<v Speaker 1>It was from Zuker's. Following your request, I hereby enclosed

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<v Speaker 1>my flight ticket from sal Follow to Monte Video went back,

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<v Speaker 1>as well as a few other receipts for personal expenses.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope you arrival in Rotterdam and said to all

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<v Speaker 1>these films this you hoping to see you soon. This friendship.

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<v Speaker 1>Heppert so cares. The team was pleased. The butcher was

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<v Speaker 1>taking the bait, but me A waited over a month,

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<v Speaker 1>said a reply. He wanted it to seem like he

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<v Speaker 1>was a busy man putting deals together. He couldn't appear

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<v Speaker 1>to be too eager. Dear Abert, I thank you for

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<v Speaker 1>your letter and forms of receipts you sent. Everything here

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<v Speaker 1>is running as it should, and as far as business

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<v Speaker 1>is concerned, I have nothing to complain about. My associates

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<v Speaker 1>are very pleased with the outcome of the trip to

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<v Speaker 1>South America to Grasil and Uruguay. I intend to return

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<v Speaker 1>to South America in the coming weeks in order to

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<v Speaker 1>realize and implement various investment plans. I should therefore be

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<v Speaker 1>grateful to you if you could manage soon after receiving

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<v Speaker 1>this letter to make the necessary arrangements to Chile and Uruguay.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm enclosing a banker's check for one hundred dollars to

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<v Speaker 1>cover your expenses. Please inform me by telegram when all

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<v Speaker 1>the necessary papers are in your hands and you are

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<v Speaker 1>ready for the trip. A happy New Year to you

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<v Speaker 1>and your family. Hope to see you soon. Your friend

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<v Speaker 1>and Tom Kumslay your rearranged with MASSAD headquarters to provide

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<v Speaker 1>new identities for the other team members, fake names, passports

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<v Speaker 1>and backstories that would give them a reason for being

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<v Speaker 1>in Uruguay. The men spent hours memorizing the details. They

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<v Speaker 1>learned a few key phrases in Spanish and Portuguese in

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<v Speaker 1>case they were stopped by the police or had some

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<v Speaker 1>other problem. The four team members were almost done with

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<v Speaker 1>their training, and Crabmagaw, the Israeli fighting system Emmi Lichtenfeld

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<v Speaker 1>was working them hard. Neil wasn't part of the training.

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<v Speaker 1>His job was to get the butcher into the room.

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<v Speaker 1>That was it. They practiced the same maneuvers over and

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<v Speaker 1>over again. Watching the sessions, Neil later wrote he thought

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<v Speaker 1>the instructor had the graceful movements with dancer Lichtenfeld's feet

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<v Speaker 1>slid across the floor soundlessly as he avoided knight thrust

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<v Speaker 1>and club swinging at his head. But according to Emi

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<v Speaker 1>Lichtenfeld student a yl Yanilov, his graceful nature would never

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<v Speaker 1>have been mistake in for weakness. So Emi was differently

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<v Speaker 1>with very high level of refined movements. So like Muhammad

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<v Speaker 1>Ali said, he say that's like about the fly sing,

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<v Speaker 1>Then the Krapma God teacher could look a little scary.

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<v Speaker 1>In his white karate tunic, he had a glass of

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<v Speaker 1>eye and half his face was frozen from an injury

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<v Speaker 1>he had sustained on his journey to Palestine. He's spoke

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<v Speaker 1>in a deep, bare tone with a slight lisp caused

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<v Speaker 1>by an injury to the left side of his mouth.

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<v Speaker 1>Krama God did require slight adjustments for the mission, having

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<v Speaker 1>been invented to save Jewish lives, was defensive in nature.

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<v Speaker 1>It's core philosophy was do whatever is needed to cause

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<v Speaker 1>as much damage as possible to your attacker and get

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<v Speaker 1>away safely. But in Uruguay the massadman would be the aggressors.

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<v Speaker 1>All knows how Emi would have instructed the team to

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<v Speaker 1>locate the target's weak spot. He will tell them the

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<v Speaker 1>slight to the most sensitive points to be very efficient

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<v Speaker 1>in their striking with open hand or with closed fist.

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<v Speaker 1>So he's very strongly to the knee, to the sole,

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<v Speaker 1>reflexes to the floating griegs, liver and sleep. Go up

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<v Speaker 1>at this line of the neck. Front of the neck.

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<v Speaker 1>Back of the neck is extremely efficient. Go to the

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<v Speaker 1>line of the drop to coast one cushion. Go to

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<v Speaker 1>the line of the eyes, especially the temples. So these

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<v Speaker 1>are strikes that will coastal cushion and we make the

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<v Speaker 1>person who groogi full down. They practiced disarming a target

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<v Speaker 1>as Mill had told them. Sekers carried a gun everywhere,

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<v Speaker 1>and Cromaga, if there was a gun involved in a fight,

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<v Speaker 1>who always assumed it would be fired. But the massad

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<v Speaker 1>agents wanted to immobilize Seekers before he could drive, so

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<v Speaker 1>they practiced a blow from the back they hoped would

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<v Speaker 1>bring the butcher down. A l can imagine what the

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<v Speaker 1>team was going through. He vividly remembers how hard Amy

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<v Speaker 1>pushed him in his own training. He said, do again,

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<v Speaker 1>not good, do do again, not go, do again twenty times,

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<v Speaker 1>No good. Do again. I didn't even know what you

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<v Speaker 1>wanted from me. What should I do? In that sense?

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<v Speaker 1>I think I just too eventually, So when you think

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<v Speaker 1>about it, it's just the agile. You have to do

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<v Speaker 1>something you know doing, go did do better? That's it.

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<v Speaker 1>You read could fear a meat and Sudie practice. Kick

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<v Speaker 1>after kick they paired off and rain blows down on

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<v Speaker 1>the head of their opponents. Lintenbell believed the knuckles were

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<v Speaker 1>too delicate for a good smash to the face. He

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<v Speaker 1>preferred the meaty base of the hand, or even better,

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<v Speaker 1>the elbow balance was key. Kick returned to position, Kick

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<v Speaker 1>returned to position. Kick, They drilled and drilled. We made

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<v Speaker 1>the experience that much more exhausting for the men was

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<v Speaker 1>that Mio wasn't even doing theneath for us, and the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of it kept reminding them they were about to

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<v Speaker 1>face a raging animal. Remember the late one is a

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<v Speaker 1>strong man, and he's always armed. Even your Reeve grew

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<v Speaker 1>impatient with him. Meo exaggerates a bit will overcome, so

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<v Speaker 1>cooes without any problem. It was MEO's turn to be annoyed.

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<v Speaker 1>These Raeli Is always believed they could solve any problem.

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<v Speaker 1>Typical saber bullshit. He was worried they were going to

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<v Speaker 1>mess up his operation. Are you curious about something you've

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<v Speaker 1>dot com. That's podcasts plural. I'm looking forward to hearing

0:17:38.720 --> 0:18:04.359
<v Speaker 1>your questions. Thanks, you're even The others took all of

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<v Speaker 1>MEO's notes, the telegrams and letters, his thoughts on the

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<v Speaker 1>kill method and honed them into a working paper. It

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<v Speaker 1>included maps, even timetables to and from different landmarks in Montevideo.

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<v Speaker 1>They looked at the maps searching for the right neighborhood

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<v Speaker 1>to rent a house. They bought summer clothes that would

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<v Speaker 1>be right for Uruguay, and they went to various banks

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<v Speaker 1>and changed money for Uruguay and pesos. Then they began

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<v Speaker 1>to look for a staging ground for the operation, a

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<v Speaker 1>place where they could fly into, getting organized and prepare

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<v Speaker 1>for D Day. They didn't want to be hanging around

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<v Speaker 1>Uruguay for weeks attracting attention. They chose Buenos Aires. Meo

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<v Speaker 1>never revealed the reason why they chose it, but my

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<v Speaker 1>theory is that it was a big city, cosmopolitan. He

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<v Speaker 1>got visitors from all over the world. They wouldn't stick

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<v Speaker 1>out there, so it was a good place to lay low.

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<v Speaker 1>All of this work and planning took about two months.

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<v Speaker 1>The world took no notice of their mission. The Beatles

0:19:10.240 --> 0:19:14.080
<v Speaker 1>released a new album, Beatles for Sale, and college students

0:19:14.080 --> 0:19:18.760
<v Speaker 1>in America were staging protests against the Vietnam War. As

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<v Speaker 1>for France, he was preparing for Winter Olympics. No one

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<v Speaker 1>paid any mind to the men entering and leaving the

0:19:26.600 --> 0:19:36.320
<v Speaker 1>little apartment on the avenue they were side jan Another

0:19:36.440 --> 0:19:42.600
<v Speaker 1>letter arrived in the Rotterdam po box her col I

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<v Speaker 1>completed all the arrangements as you asked, I have to passport,

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<v Speaker 1>including the visas for Uruguaya and Chile, waiting for your

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<v Speaker 1>arrival and for for the details concerning our joint business trip.

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<v Speaker 1>This friendship ever took us. In the note, Zuker seemed

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<v Speaker 1>a little more nervous than in the previous one. Did

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<v Speaker 1>the line about waiting for further details mean that he

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<v Speaker 1>was having doubts? If the details weren't what he expected,

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<v Speaker 1>would he refuse to leave Brazil? Nobody knew. The agents

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<v Speaker 1>booked their airline tickets. Each member would be traveling separately.

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<v Speaker 1>They didn't want to look like a team. Before their departures,

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<v Speaker 1>the five men met for a final time in the

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<v Speaker 1>Paris apartment. They went over the plan. They double checked

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<v Speaker 1>and triple checked everything. There was nothing left to do

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<v Speaker 1>in Paris. It was a solemn moment. We were all

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<v Speaker 1>aware that we were going to take the life of

0:20:53.160 --> 0:20:58.000
<v Speaker 1>a man, but none of us had any doubt this

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<v Speaker 1>was the just punishment for his statistic criminal Mio sat

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<v Speaker 1>down and wrote out a telegram for Suckers, including all

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<v Speaker 1>his travel plants. Then the members poured some drinks and

0:21:13.680 --> 0:21:17.520
<v Speaker 1>made a toast best of luck. Your reef told them

0:21:17.560 --> 0:21:20.560
<v Speaker 1>he wasn't much of a speech giver. The men kept

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<v Speaker 1>their private thoughts to themselves. They were eager to get going.

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<v Speaker 1>Three days later, Mio boarded his flight to sal Paolo.

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<v Speaker 1>He was going to Brazil first to reconnect with Suckers.

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<v Speaker 1>The other members would fly out later. Neo planned on

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<v Speaker 1>meeting Suckers in the airport transit lounge before flying on

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<v Speaker 1>to Buonos areas. He had to make sure the butcher

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<v Speaker 1>was all in. After twelve hours in the air, the

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<v Speaker 1>plane landed. Maa waited until after the other passengers got out,

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<v Speaker 1>then walked toward the airplane door. At the top of

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<v Speaker 1>the jetway. He was heading down the stairs, lost in

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<v Speaker 1>his own thoughts. I heard Ruko's familiar voice. Hello, he Anton,

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<v Speaker 1>I am here. I looked down to the bottom of

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<v Speaker 1>the stairs, and what did I see? Herbert Chukos wearing

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<v Speaker 1>a colorful tie, holding something black in one hand and

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<v Speaker 1>waving happily with the other. That black thing in the

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<v Speaker 1>butcher's hand, that was a camera. He was filming me.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh as he arrived, How on earth did he manage

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<v Speaker 1>to get in here? I wondered? This was a restricted area,

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<v Speaker 1>and we were supposed to meet in the transit lounge.

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<v Speaker 1>When Meo realized what the black object was, he was shocked.

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<v Speaker 1>This meant that Drukos was actually filming me, immortalizing my

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<v Speaker 1>image on film. Instinctively, I raised my hand as if

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<v Speaker 1>in greeting, but the motion was actually tended to hide

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<v Speaker 1>from the camera lens some of my mold distinguishing features.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a disaster. Suckers had sprung a trap. When

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<v Speaker 1>you're undercover, you want there to be no record of

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<v Speaker 1>your actual self in the mission. The documents all have

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<v Speaker 1>your cover name, not your real one. If you're photographed,

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<v Speaker 1>who want to be wearing your disguise. This was a

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<v Speaker 1>time before the widespread use of surveillance cameras. Neo thought

0:23:30.880 --> 0:23:34.399
<v Speaker 1>he was safe, but now the butcher he had him

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<v Speaker 1>down on film. It was bad. That was only half

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<v Speaker 1>of it. The other half was why was Zuker's filming

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<v Speaker 1>him in the first place. As the two men had

0:23:44.760 --> 0:23:47.400
<v Speaker 1>been old friends. Meal might have passed it off as

0:23:47.440 --> 0:23:50.399
<v Speaker 1>his body wanting a memento of their trip, but that

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't it. This was Zukers being paranoid again. He wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to film as evidence, just in case, Kunzla was up

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<v Speaker 1>to no good. Sucker said he was ready to become partners,

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<v Speaker 1>but clearly he still had his doubts. He'll never be

0:24:06.359 --> 0:24:10.840
<v Speaker 1>rid of his suspicions. I thought this concern. I was

0:24:10.920 --> 0:24:14.520
<v Speaker 1>fully convinced that this was yet another one of UCO's

0:24:14.600 --> 0:24:19.640
<v Speaker 1>security exercises. One false move the team might interpret as

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<v Speaker 1>my attempt to hide from the camera, and all my

0:24:23.680 --> 0:24:27.560
<v Speaker 1>months long efforts to win his trusts would come to nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>And in fact me it was right. The butcher didn't

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<v Speaker 1>trust him fully. Later, his wife nodded all police what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>When Sucers returned home, my husband told me that he

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<v Speaker 1>had filmed Kunzla coming off the plane. He emphasized that

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<v Speaker 1>if anything bad were to happen to him in the

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<v Speaker 1>near future, then it was this man seen on the

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<v Speaker 1>film waving at Harvard who would bear directed soul responsibility

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<v Speaker 1>for it. The film and the stills taken from it

0:25:02.520 --> 0:25:06.680
<v Speaker 1>would haunt the massad agent for years. When I discussed

0:25:06.680 --> 0:25:10.680
<v Speaker 1>this with Gad Shimron, he mentioned how significant this became.

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<v Speaker 1>This photo. For many years, uh Nio told me that

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<v Speaker 1>every time he crossed the border, somewhere on the road

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<v Speaker 1>there was a big interval coaster wanted for murder with

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<v Speaker 1>his picture as complet taken by a suspicious to much

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<v Speaker 1>so Mea was coming down the steps of the jetway

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<v Speaker 1>at the airport in Sal Paulo. He's holding up his

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<v Speaker 1>hands like he's waving it at Sukers a friendly greeting,

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<v Speaker 1>but in reality he's trying to block the view of

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<v Speaker 1>his face from the camera. He's trying to look smooth, natural,

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<v Speaker 1>but it isn't working. He looks awkward and nervous. He's

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<v Speaker 1>realized that Suckers has outsmarted him. Neo finally made it

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<v Speaker 1>down to the bottom of the chet way and Suckers

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<v Speaker 1>dropped the camera to his side. He greeted the agent.

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<v Speaker 1>It went into the transit lounge to talk Neis flight

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<v Speaker 1>to Buenos Aires was leaving soon, so they only had

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<v Speaker 1>a few minutes. They ordered drinks and Mio tried to

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<v Speaker 1>get back on track. He told Suckers he has some

0:26:12.880 --> 0:26:16.879
<v Speaker 1>good news. His partners had decided to invest heavily in

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<v Speaker 1>South America, hundreds of thousands of dollars at the very least,

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<v Speaker 1>and they'd agreed to bring Suekers on board. If he

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<v Speaker 1>played his cards right, he would soon be a rich man.

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<v Speaker 1>Zukers didn't react the way Meo had hoped. He said

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<v Speaker 1>he had a problem. It turned out that he hadn't

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<v Speaker 1>been telling the truth in his telegram, his visa and

0:26:38.600 --> 0:26:43.280
<v Speaker 1>other documents, they weren't ready yet. He couldn't fly to Uruguay.

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<v Speaker 1>It was getting worse. And worse was Zuker's backing out.

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<v Speaker 1>Had he realized he was being trapped or was he

0:26:50.040 --> 0:26:53.880
<v Speaker 1>just being lazy? Meo had no idea what was going on,

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<v Speaker 1>but he stayed in character, the character of the hard

0:26:57.000 --> 0:27:02.000
<v Speaker 1>charging businessman. He got angry and loud. How could you

0:27:02.040 --> 0:27:04.920
<v Speaker 1>do this? Did you say you want to be a businessman.

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<v Speaker 1>I am a businessman and I stick to my vote.

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<v Speaker 1>You want me said all your papers weren't older. I

0:27:12.800 --> 0:27:16.240
<v Speaker 1>want you to know that I am very, very disappointed.

0:27:17.840 --> 0:27:21.600
<v Speaker 1>He really was furious. If Sukers couldn't get out of Brazil,

0:27:22.200 --> 0:27:24.640
<v Speaker 1>the mission was off. There might not be a chance

0:27:24.640 --> 0:27:27.399
<v Speaker 1>to organize a second operation before the vote in the

0:27:27.440 --> 0:27:32.560
<v Speaker 1>German Parliament. The butcher had messed up everything. Zukers hung

0:27:32.600 --> 0:27:35.879
<v Speaker 1>his head. He was embarrassed, or he appeared to be embarrassed.

0:27:36.400 --> 0:27:39.840
<v Speaker 1>I promised it would never happen again to Mio. He

0:27:39.920 --> 0:27:43.840
<v Speaker 1>appeared to be sincere. After a few tense moments, Neo

0:27:43.960 --> 0:27:48.199
<v Speaker 1>calmed down. He told Seekers that Brazil was out. The

0:27:48.280 --> 0:27:51.440
<v Speaker 1>partners wanted to do their business in Uruguay and Chile,

0:27:52.320 --> 0:27:54.600
<v Speaker 1>so he wanted Seekers with him when he traveled to

0:27:54.640 --> 0:27:57.720
<v Speaker 1>the two countries. Neo took a lot of cash out

0:27:57.720 --> 0:28:01.439
<v Speaker 1>of his pocket handed it to the butcher traveling expenses.

0:28:02.520 --> 0:28:04.720
<v Speaker 1>He told the butcher to get his papers straightened down.

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<v Speaker 1>Once that was done, he would pay for his flight

0:28:07.280 --> 0:28:11.440
<v Speaker 1>to Uruguay, but he had to get moving. Suckers cheered up.

0:28:12.080 --> 0:28:14.439
<v Speaker 1>He agreed to get the visa a sap. He was

0:28:14.520 --> 0:28:17.480
<v Speaker 1>even a little cheeky. He asked if Meo had the

0:28:17.480 --> 0:28:20.520
<v Speaker 1>addresses of the hotels they'd be staying at in Montefdello.

0:28:21.280 --> 0:28:26.879
<v Speaker 1>Neo thought to himself, the best, that is forever cautious,

0:28:27.920 --> 0:28:30.840
<v Speaker 1>but he memorized the names of the hotel's just in case.

0:28:31.280 --> 0:28:34.520
<v Speaker 1>He recited them to Suckers, who wrote them down. It

0:28:34.680 --> 0:28:38.120
<v Speaker 1>was another test. At least Mio had passed this one.

0:28:39.240 --> 0:28:42.200
<v Speaker 1>A boarding announcement was made from MEO's flight to Buenos Aires.

0:28:42.640 --> 0:28:46.200
<v Speaker 1>The two men parted. Neo slapped Suckers on the shoulder,

0:28:46.640 --> 0:28:50.320
<v Speaker 1>told him not to let him down again. Then he

0:28:50.440 --> 0:28:57.480
<v Speaker 1>headed towards his departure. Game Neo landed in Buenos Aires,

0:28:57.720 --> 0:29:00.400
<v Speaker 1>took a taxi to his hotel. The most of the

0:29:00.400 --> 0:29:03.240
<v Speaker 1>team was still back in Paris. He needed to get

0:29:03.240 --> 0:29:05.720
<v Speaker 1>in touch with them to tell them the mission was

0:29:05.760 --> 0:29:10.120
<v Speaker 1>a go. But things started to go wrong. It turned

0:29:10.120 --> 0:29:12.760
<v Speaker 1>out that the telephone and post office workers had gone

0:29:12.800 --> 0:29:15.360
<v Speaker 1>on strike. It was one of those things you just

0:29:15.400 --> 0:29:19.800
<v Speaker 1>couldn't predict. But it didn't matter. Mio was screwed. He

0:29:19.840 --> 0:29:22.920
<v Speaker 1>couldn't communicate with your read. The team was waiting for

0:29:23.000 --> 0:29:26.280
<v Speaker 1>word from him that Seekers was still in play, but

0:29:26.400 --> 0:29:30.280
<v Speaker 1>Mio couldn't make a call or send a telegram. He

0:29:30.320 --> 0:29:34.440
<v Speaker 1>was stranded. Even worse, if the butcher was trying to

0:29:34.480 --> 0:29:37.640
<v Speaker 1>contact him, he had no way of knowing it. Maybe

0:29:37.640 --> 0:29:40.920
<v Speaker 1>Seekers was having trouble getting the right papers, Maybe he

0:29:40.920 --> 0:29:46.360
<v Speaker 1>had questions he needed answers to Mea was annoyed and worried.

0:29:47.160 --> 0:29:49.240
<v Speaker 1>Day after day, he checked with the front desk and

0:29:49.320 --> 0:29:52.920
<v Speaker 1>asked if any telegrams had come through. The answer was

0:29:53.040 --> 0:29:57.600
<v Speaker 1>always known. The city was in the communications lockdown. Nothing

0:29:57.680 --> 0:30:02.160
<v Speaker 1>was getting in or out, so Mia was going stir crazy.

0:30:02.640 --> 0:30:05.840
<v Speaker 1>He had nothing to do. And he hated that. To

0:30:05.880 --> 0:30:08.440
<v Speaker 1>get his mind off sukers, he took a trip to

0:30:08.520 --> 0:30:11.840
<v Speaker 1>a holiday resort called my adult Plata, but it was

0:30:11.920 --> 0:30:16.160
<v Speaker 1>off season. The place was half empty. Kind of depressing. Actually,

0:30:16.960 --> 0:30:19.320
<v Speaker 1>Lea went back to Bueness Areas, tried to pass the

0:30:19.400 --> 0:30:23.640
<v Speaker 1>time by taking long walks through the city. There were

0:30:23.640 --> 0:30:27.640
<v Speaker 1>no letters. When he got back to the hotel. He

0:30:27.720 --> 0:30:32.840
<v Speaker 1>was losing precious time. The clock was ticking and Germany's

0:30:32.920 --> 0:30:37.040
<v Speaker 1>vote on the amnesty statute was approaching fast. If the

0:30:37.080 --> 0:30:52.120
<v Speaker 1>mission didn't move forward soon, all would be lost. Hi,

0:30:52.600 --> 0:30:56.360
<v Speaker 1>this is Stephen Talty, host of Good Assassins Hunting the Butcher.

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<v Speaker 1>Backstage The Devil in Metal is out now. Follow the

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<v Speaker 1>you listen to your podcasts. Finally, on February five, the

0:31:47.280 --> 0:31:51.360
<v Speaker 1>strike ended and the telegram arrived. It was from Zookers

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<v Speaker 1>Glato informula that all the preparations are complete. I have

0:31:58.680 --> 0:32:02.640
<v Speaker 1>the documents, I Theresa. They thing to hear from you

0:32:03.000 --> 0:32:07.840
<v Speaker 1>as to there, and then I joined you. Mea was overjoyed.

0:32:08.240 --> 0:32:10.760
<v Speaker 1>He wrote out a telegram to the Massad team in Paris.

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<v Speaker 1>Negotiations have finished and the transaction is about to take place.

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<v Speaker 1>Request you sent urgently the team of experts in order

0:32:20.880 --> 0:32:26.320
<v Speaker 1>to complete the transactions successfully Anton, it was time for

0:32:26.360 --> 0:32:35.120
<v Speaker 1>the team to come to Argentina. The Paris team started

0:32:35.200 --> 0:32:38.160
<v Speaker 1>arriving in Buenos Aires one by one and taking the

0:32:38.280 --> 0:32:41.880
<v Speaker 1>rooms in hotels downtown. Once they all made it in,

0:32:42.400 --> 0:32:44.520
<v Speaker 1>your reefs sent out the word that they should meet

0:32:44.840 --> 0:32:47.520
<v Speaker 1>one of the many cafes in the city. It would

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<v Speaker 1>get the latest details from Meo and prepare for Uruguay.

0:32:51.800 --> 0:32:54.840
<v Speaker 1>The men arrived at the cafe and shook hands. Then

0:32:54.840 --> 0:32:57.960
<v Speaker 1>they sat down and Mio gave them an update, recounting

0:32:58.000 --> 0:33:01.040
<v Speaker 1>the story of the movie Camera and Super Continuing fear

0:33:01.160 --> 0:33:05.200
<v Speaker 1>of being trapped, he warned them for the obtain time

0:33:05.600 --> 0:33:11.440
<v Speaker 1>about the butcher He's like a violent animal. The minute

0:33:11.440 --> 0:33:16.440
<v Speaker 1>the census that he has trapped, he muster all his strength. This,

0:33:16.800 --> 0:33:20.600
<v Speaker 1>it turned out, was actually true. Zucris was preparing for

0:33:20.640 --> 0:33:23.640
<v Speaker 1>his own flight to Uruguay, but before he left, he

0:33:23.800 --> 0:33:29.080
<v Speaker 1>told his family, if someone comes after me, I have

0:33:29.240 --> 0:33:34.760
<v Speaker 1>a fight until the death. Meo didn't know this. He

0:33:34.800 --> 0:33:36.880
<v Speaker 1>didn't know that Sucris had passed the film of Kunsla

0:33:37.000 --> 0:33:41.160
<v Speaker 1>arriving in Brazil to his wife. He knew Zucris was paranoid,

0:33:41.560 --> 0:33:46.880
<v Speaker 1>but he didn't know how deep it went. On February ten,

0:33:47.280 --> 0:33:50.400
<v Speaker 1>Meo flew into Manto. The Dao Uruguay and the others

0:33:50.400 --> 0:33:54.080
<v Speaker 1>soon followed. The debate over the statute of Limitations was

0:33:54.120 --> 0:33:56.760
<v Speaker 1>only a month away now in March, and then the

0:33:56.880 --> 0:34:01.680
<v Speaker 1>vote would follow in May. The clock continued to tick,

0:34:02.680 --> 0:34:05.080
<v Speaker 1>and the team still didn't have a house to carry

0:34:05.120 --> 0:34:08.960
<v Speaker 1>out the execution. That was the first subjective as they

0:34:08.960 --> 0:34:14.040
<v Speaker 1>did their final preparations, But once they settled into their hotels,

0:34:14.360 --> 0:34:17.840
<v Speaker 1>the team realized there was a problem. The city didn't

0:34:17.880 --> 0:34:22.040
<v Speaker 1>have that many houses for rent. Montefideo was a small place,

0:34:22.320 --> 0:34:24.799
<v Speaker 1>not a lot of tourists, and the houses that were

0:34:24.800 --> 0:34:29.680
<v Speaker 1>available were often run down. Laser Sudet, the agent who

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<v Speaker 1>tried to kill the German chancellor ten years before, was

0:34:32.760 --> 0:34:36.560
<v Speaker 1>given the job of finding a place. He had three requirements.

0:34:37.040 --> 0:34:38.960
<v Speaker 1>It had to look like it could be the headquarters

0:34:39.160 --> 0:34:42.080
<v Speaker 1>for a rich European company. It had to have some

0:34:42.120 --> 0:34:46.000
<v Speaker 1>sort of privacy so the noise of the assassination wasn't overheard.

0:34:47.080 --> 0:34:49.320
<v Speaker 1>And it had to be close to a major highway

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<v Speaker 1>so that the team could escape without getting lost in

0:34:52.200 --> 0:34:56.200
<v Speaker 1>a tangle of side streets. So Det contacted some real

0:34:56.280 --> 0:34:59.160
<v Speaker 1>estate agents. Every day he went looking at the houses

0:34:59.200 --> 0:35:02.560
<v Speaker 1>with them, and he slowly realized there was nothing that

0:35:02.640 --> 0:35:06.960
<v Speaker 1>fit his three requirements. Either the houses looked terrible, or

0:35:07.000 --> 0:35:09.400
<v Speaker 1>they had no privacy, or they weren't a part of

0:35:09.400 --> 0:35:12.040
<v Speaker 1>the city that was hard to get out of. The

0:35:12.080 --> 0:35:15.279
<v Speaker 1>team thought they'd planned for everything, but it was Murphy's law.

0:35:15.719 --> 0:35:20.960
<v Speaker 1>If something could go wrong, it would days passed. Finally,

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<v Speaker 1>a real estate agent called Sude. He was in a

0:35:23.560 --> 0:35:27.040
<v Speaker 1>good mood. He told Sude he found the perfect place.

0:35:27.680 --> 0:35:30.160
<v Speaker 1>The two of them drove out to see it. When

0:35:30.160 --> 0:35:33.440
<v Speaker 1>they pulled up to the house, Sude was happy. From

0:35:33.480 --> 0:35:36.800
<v Speaker 1>the street, the place looked good, It had a garden,

0:35:37.080 --> 0:35:39.480
<v Speaker 1>and it was in good shape. They walked up to

0:35:39.480 --> 0:35:42.839
<v Speaker 1>the front door and the agent rang the bell. As

0:35:42.880 --> 0:35:46.600
<v Speaker 1>soon as the door opened, Sedet's heart dropped. The guy

0:35:46.640 --> 0:35:49.919
<v Speaker 1>standing in the doorway had side curls, he was wearing

0:35:49.920 --> 0:35:54.840
<v Speaker 1>a yamaka. Sadet realized he was an Orthodox Jew. Sade

0:35:54.960 --> 0:35:59.000
<v Speaker 1>cursed under his breath. The homeowner smiled and invited the

0:35:59.040 --> 0:36:02.520
<v Speaker 1>two men in, but sud He just turned, walked down

0:36:02.560 --> 0:36:06.280
<v Speaker 1>the path and got into the car. If they rented

0:36:06.280 --> 0:36:09.160
<v Speaker 1>the house from this guy and Zucris was killed inside,

0:36:09.560 --> 0:36:12.640
<v Speaker 1>who knew what would happen. Some neo Nazis might fire

0:36:12.640 --> 0:36:15.799
<v Speaker 1>bomb the place, or the homeowner and his family could

0:36:15.800 --> 0:36:19.920
<v Speaker 1>become targets for nut jobs in the city. So it

0:36:20.080 --> 0:36:23.760
<v Speaker 1>was a no. Sudi couldn't risk. It was the right house,

0:36:24.160 --> 0:36:27.439
<v Speaker 1>but the wrong owner. The real estate agent got back

0:36:27.440 --> 0:36:32.560
<v Speaker 1>into the car. He was mortified, probably angry too. He

0:36:32.640 --> 0:36:38.320
<v Speaker 1>asked sud what was wrong. Sudet said, I don't like Jews.

0:36:39.120 --> 0:36:41.480
<v Speaker 1>His son told me the story when I visited him

0:36:41.480 --> 0:36:45.200
<v Speaker 1>in Israel. He says it reflects his father's very dark

0:36:45.239 --> 0:36:48.359
<v Speaker 1>sense of humor. He was always doing things like that.

0:36:48.960 --> 0:36:53.200
<v Speaker 1>It was just part of his personality. But despite Sudet's joke,

0:36:53.760 --> 0:36:56.080
<v Speaker 1>it was a bad day. The team still had no

0:36:56.160 --> 0:36:59.600
<v Speaker 1>place to carry out the final act and they were

0:36:59.680 --> 0:37:10.520
<v Speaker 1>running out of time. They were hitting a wall. They

0:37:10.560 --> 0:37:14.040
<v Speaker 1>looked all over Carrasco, a desirable part of monte Video

0:37:14.440 --> 0:37:17.919
<v Speaker 1>with nice vacation homes near the ocean that would look good,

0:37:18.560 --> 0:37:20.560
<v Speaker 1>but it was the middle of summer and there was

0:37:20.600 --> 0:37:26.640
<v Speaker 1>nothing available. Things were getting desperate. Then finally a stroke

0:37:26.719 --> 0:37:30.799
<v Speaker 1>of luck, the realtor found a place. In all the

0:37:30.840 --> 0:37:34.440
<v Speaker 1>massade reports I've seen, it has always been described as

0:37:34.440 --> 0:37:38.719
<v Speaker 1>a house in Carrasco in Montevideo, but the Uruguayan writer

0:37:38.840 --> 0:37:43.800
<v Speaker 1>Fernando Gudizoni told me that massade reports aren't exactly correct.

0:37:44.520 --> 0:37:48.360
<v Speaker 1>The house they ended up with was actually located somewhere else,

0:37:48.719 --> 0:37:52.120
<v Speaker 1>in another nearby town called Shangri La, which was not

0:37:52.200 --> 0:37:58.640
<v Speaker 1>the original plan. They have not They wishes to rent

0:37:58.840 --> 0:38:04.759
<v Speaker 1>a house in the city, but they can't. And Carrasco

0:38:05.560 --> 0:38:10.440
<v Speaker 1>was and Ea is now high level neighborhood. Sanglia was

0:38:10.480 --> 0:38:15.520
<v Speaker 1>a poor town and Shanglia is outside the city. Outside

0:38:16.280 --> 0:38:19.600
<v Speaker 1>it's not in Montevideo, and Carrasco is a part of

0:38:19.719 --> 0:38:26.280
<v Speaker 1>monte Video. There are two different realities, and you cross

0:38:26.800 --> 0:38:32.520
<v Speaker 1>pine forests two or three miles and after that you

0:38:32.960 --> 0:38:37.880
<v Speaker 1>go to Shanglia is also in a in a isolated

0:38:38.080 --> 0:38:42.040
<v Speaker 1>area in in a blog you have two or three

0:38:42.080 --> 0:38:49.280
<v Speaker 1>houses in summer. In winter is absolutely empty. The house

0:38:49.440 --> 0:38:57.120
<v Speaker 1>was small and humble, a little house, not a luxury house.

0:38:58.120 --> 0:39:03.600
<v Speaker 1>This was the only house have I about, so he

0:39:03.680 --> 0:39:06.920
<v Speaker 1>thought it had potential. The house wasn't in the best shape,

0:39:07.200 --> 0:39:10.160
<v Speaker 1>but it might work. One thing that bothered him, though,

0:39:10.560 --> 0:39:13.239
<v Speaker 1>was that there was some construction workers fixing the house

0:39:13.320 --> 0:39:16.040
<v Speaker 1>next door. If they heard a disturbance on the day

0:39:16.080 --> 0:39:19.000
<v Speaker 1>of the assassination, they might come looking for the cause,

0:39:19.840 --> 0:39:23.320
<v Speaker 1>or they might call the police. But said he was

0:39:23.400 --> 0:39:26.640
<v Speaker 1>running out of options. He brought me about to get

0:39:26.719 --> 0:39:29.239
<v Speaker 1>his opinion, and after a few minutes of looking the

0:39:29.239 --> 0:39:33.640
<v Speaker 1>place over, ne agreed there was nothing better. It would

0:39:33.680 --> 0:39:38.600
<v Speaker 1>have to do. There's another curious detail that I only

0:39:38.680 --> 0:39:43.560
<v Speaker 1>uncovered in my most recent research. In Massade reports, they

0:39:43.600 --> 0:39:47.480
<v Speaker 1>always referred to the house as Casa Kubertini. But when

0:39:47.480 --> 0:39:50.160
<v Speaker 1>I spoke to Buddhisoni, who knows the country like the

0:39:50.160 --> 0:39:52.920
<v Speaker 1>back of his hand and actually grew up in Shangri La,

0:39:53.560 --> 0:39:55.799
<v Speaker 1>he told me there's no record of the house ever

0:39:55.880 --> 0:40:01.960
<v Speaker 1>being called at in Uruguay. They Gotini that is named

0:40:02.360 --> 0:40:08.279
<v Speaker 1>the statement of Massad do not exist, never exists, that

0:40:08.440 --> 0:40:11.759
<v Speaker 1>name never existed. When I asked but his zone to

0:40:11.800 --> 0:40:15.120
<v Speaker 1>speculate about where Massad got the name from, he was

0:40:15.160 --> 0:40:18.759
<v Speaker 1>at a loss. I don't know, maybe a confusion. I

0:40:19.080 --> 0:40:25.040
<v Speaker 1>don't know. My microchurch was very intensive and difficult, and

0:40:25.480 --> 0:40:33.080
<v Speaker 1>a looking in archives and in libraries, coart don't existed.

0:40:33.320 --> 0:40:37.880
<v Speaker 1>You're white. So it remains a bit of a mystery.

0:40:38.280 --> 0:40:40.919
<v Speaker 1>But for whatever reason, maybe it was a code name.

0:40:41.400 --> 0:40:44.080
<v Speaker 1>The killed team called the final location. They decided on

0:40:44.600 --> 0:40:57.080
<v Speaker 1>Casa Kubertine, and then the team was suddenly very busy.

0:40:58.160 --> 0:41:00.920
<v Speaker 1>Now that they had a location, they had to prepare.

0:41:01.680 --> 0:41:03.640
<v Speaker 1>The five men drove from one end of the city

0:41:03.719 --> 0:41:07.440
<v Speaker 1>to the other, memorizing its layout. They drove the streets

0:41:07.480 --> 0:41:11.280
<v Speaker 1>around Casta Kubertini, finding the best ways in and out.

0:41:12.080 --> 0:41:16.760
<v Speaker 1>They studied how polite and patient Uruguayans were when they drove,

0:41:17.520 --> 0:41:20.480
<v Speaker 1>and anyone who spent time in Israel knows how foreign

0:41:20.560 --> 0:41:23.960
<v Speaker 1>the style of driving would be to an Israeli. Former

0:41:24.040 --> 0:41:28.520
<v Speaker 1>Massad agent Abner Abraham put it like this, Well, it's real.

0:41:28.600 --> 0:41:31.560
<v Speaker 1>You know. People are very nervous, they are very nervous

0:41:31.719 --> 0:41:35.399
<v Speaker 1>and they don't want to wait. Well, it's like, who'll

0:41:35.440 --> 0:41:38.040
<v Speaker 1>teach you to drive like this? You don't know how

0:41:38.080 --> 0:41:42.440
<v Speaker 1>to drive? Okay, you need to learn again. But you know,

0:41:42.520 --> 0:41:46.920
<v Speaker 1>sometimes it's not only to say something against the other drivers.

0:41:47.040 --> 0:41:50.560
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes you stand near his car and you open your

0:41:50.560 --> 0:41:53.880
<v Speaker 1>window and you need to educate him why you don't this,

0:41:54.120 --> 0:41:55.680
<v Speaker 1>and why do you don't this? And you have to

0:41:55.960 --> 0:41:58.440
<v Speaker 1>keep the right and why you keep the left? And okay,

0:41:58.719 --> 0:42:03.800
<v Speaker 1>you need to edit the team. And it might seem small,

0:42:04.360 --> 0:42:07.400
<v Speaker 1>but the team needed to learn to keep their Israeli

0:42:07.480 --> 0:42:12.800
<v Speaker 1>habits in check. This meant no aggressive driving, no road rage.

0:42:13.320 --> 0:42:16.480
<v Speaker 1>They didn't want to stand out. Your reef had warned

0:42:16.480 --> 0:42:20.600
<v Speaker 1>them that they had to avoid police attention at all costs,

0:42:21.280 --> 0:42:25.480
<v Speaker 1>so they always kept the speed limit. You're even brought

0:42:25.480 --> 0:42:28.439
<v Speaker 1>in someone from the Foreign Service already stationed in South

0:42:28.440 --> 0:42:32.360
<v Speaker 1>America to serve as an advisor. He wasn't trained with

0:42:32.400 --> 0:42:35.160
<v Speaker 1>the team, but he knew the language and could also

0:42:35.200 --> 0:42:43.879
<v Speaker 1>function as a lookout. On the big day, Mio sent

0:42:43.960 --> 0:42:50.160
<v Speaker 1>a telegram to Zukers, Dear Herbert, business running well, your

0:42:50.200 --> 0:42:53.080
<v Speaker 1>help needed. I would be glad if you could join

0:42:53.160 --> 0:43:00.600
<v Speaker 1>me in Monte Video. On the morning of February. That

0:43:00.719 --> 0:43:04.520
<v Speaker 1>was the date that Yerev had chosen. Three was his birthday,

0:43:04.800 --> 0:43:07.919
<v Speaker 1>and he considered it his lucky number. He didn't want

0:43:08.040 --> 0:43:11.879
<v Speaker 1>any more bad luck. Maybe this would help. The next

0:43:11.960 --> 0:43:17.920
<v Speaker 1>day there was a reply from Zuker's dear Anton, arriving

0:43:17.960 --> 0:43:24.400
<v Speaker 1>by Varic flight on a few hours later, another telegram arrived,

0:43:24.800 --> 0:43:28.600
<v Speaker 1>changing the airline from verig to Air France. But the

0:43:28.640 --> 0:43:33.879
<v Speaker 1>butcher was coming. The men made their final plans. Meo

0:43:33.960 --> 0:43:37.239
<v Speaker 1>rented Zukers a room at his hotel, even though if

0:43:37.280 --> 0:43:40.040
<v Speaker 1>all one according to plan, he would never sleep in it.

0:43:40.640 --> 0:43:43.680
<v Speaker 1>He read the newspapers each and every morning, looking for

0:43:43.719 --> 0:43:46.760
<v Speaker 1>anything that would interfere with the mission, a road closing,

0:43:46.840 --> 0:43:50.800
<v Speaker 1>a parade, anything, And after a few days he found

0:43:50.800 --> 0:43:53.120
<v Speaker 1>one one of the streets they were going to use

0:43:53.160 --> 0:43:56.640
<v Speaker 1>for the escape would be closed for repairs. The men

0:43:56.719 --> 0:44:00.520
<v Speaker 1>jumped in their cars and found an alternate route. Sod

0:44:00.920 --> 0:44:05.160
<v Speaker 1>went shopping. He visited the local luggage stores looking for

0:44:05.280 --> 0:44:08.680
<v Speaker 1>something to put Seeker's body. They didn't want to leave

0:44:08.719 --> 0:44:10.920
<v Speaker 1>the corpse just lying on the floor of the Cossa

0:44:10.960 --> 0:44:14.160
<v Speaker 1>Kober teeny, but the butcher was so big. Nothing that

0:44:14.239 --> 0:44:18.440
<v Speaker 1>Sudied saw would fit. Finally, he found his store selling

0:44:18.480 --> 0:44:21.279
<v Speaker 1>those huge traveling trunks that people back in the day

0:44:21.440 --> 0:44:23.880
<v Speaker 1>used when they sailed to the other side of the world.

0:44:24.719 --> 0:44:27.200
<v Speaker 1>He pulled a tape measure out of his pocket, got

0:44:27.239 --> 0:44:31.880
<v Speaker 1>the dimensions, yes, if there was anything bigger, salesman said no,

0:44:32.960 --> 0:44:37.720
<v Speaker 1>so the Sudeep bought it. According to former intelligence officer

0:44:37.920 --> 0:44:42.400
<v Speaker 1>Chris Costa, lining up every detail of the escape is

0:44:42.520 --> 0:44:47.280
<v Speaker 1>just as important as executing the mission itself. It's easy

0:44:47.480 --> 0:44:52.600
<v Speaker 1>to plan, and everybody likes tactics. Everybody likes talking about tradecraft.

0:44:52.840 --> 0:44:55.920
<v Speaker 1>The harder partners to talk about what comes after. So

0:44:56.200 --> 0:44:59.800
<v Speaker 1>you have to think about the end state of what

0:45:00.080 --> 0:45:04.600
<v Speaker 1>you want and then work it backwards. That's part of

0:45:04.800 --> 0:45:09.759
<v Speaker 1>planning an operation. Meal paid the hotel and rental car

0:45:09.880 --> 0:45:13.520
<v Speaker 1>bills in advance. He didn't want any last minute complications there.

0:45:14.280 --> 0:45:16.799
<v Speaker 1>Even bought two tickets for a flight to Chili, which

0:45:16.880 --> 0:45:20.840
<v Speaker 1>he and Sukers would never take. It was like method acting.

0:45:21.680 --> 0:45:24.279
<v Speaker 1>Everything had to appear to be real, so we did

0:45:24.320 --> 0:45:35.520
<v Speaker 1>everything as if it was real. For their final meeting

0:45:36.000 --> 0:45:39.040
<v Speaker 1>before the butcher arrived, the men chose a restaurant that

0:45:39.160 --> 0:45:41.600
<v Speaker 1>me had been to before on one of his trips

0:45:41.680 --> 0:45:45.120
<v Speaker 1>with Zukers. They sat at the table and began talking

0:45:45.160 --> 0:45:49.480
<v Speaker 1>in low voices. They didn't want to attract attention. It

0:45:49.520 --> 0:45:52.760
<v Speaker 1>didn't look like a band of assassins. If you spotted

0:45:52.800 --> 0:45:56.160
<v Speaker 1>them having their drinks and chatting, you might think they

0:45:56.160 --> 0:46:00.880
<v Speaker 1>were middle managers or insurance agents. As they were talking,

0:46:01.400 --> 0:46:05.400
<v Speaker 1>the waiter walked up. Shloum, he said in Hebrew. He

0:46:05.520 --> 0:46:07.480
<v Speaker 1>told the five men that he was originally from Hungary

0:46:07.800 --> 0:46:11.200
<v Speaker 1>but had served in the Israeli Defense Forces. He heard

0:46:11.239 --> 0:46:13.800
<v Speaker 1>them speaking Hebrew and he'd come over to greet his

0:46:13.880 --> 0:46:17.719
<v Speaker 1>fellow Jews. The men looked at each other and broke

0:46:17.760 --> 0:46:21.839
<v Speaker 1>out laughing. They thought they were being discreet, but here

0:46:22.160 --> 0:46:25.239
<v Speaker 1>they've been outed by a Hungarian waiter. They lowered their

0:46:25.280 --> 0:46:33.719
<v Speaker 1>voices even further and talked about On the night of

0:46:33.800 --> 0:46:37.879
<v Speaker 1>the Neo went to bed early. He said he wanted

0:46:37.920 --> 0:46:42.960
<v Speaker 1>to recharge his batteries for what was coming, the crucial

0:46:43.200 --> 0:46:58.120
<v Speaker 1>day judgment Today, Ye good assassins. Hunting the Butcher is

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<v Speaker 1>a production of Diversion Podcast in association with I Heart Radio.

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<v Speaker 1>This season is written and hosted by Stephen Tlalti, produced

0:47:06.680 --> 0:47:10.800
<v Speaker 1>and directed by Scott Waxman and Jacob Bronstein. Executive producers

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<v Speaker 1>Scott Waxman and Mark frances Story editing by Jacob Bronstein

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<v Speaker 1>with editorial direction from Scott Waxman and mangesh At Ticket editing,

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<v Speaker 1>mixing and sound designed by Mark Francis, with the voices

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<v Speaker 1>of Nick Afka, Thomas Amrie, Angele, Andrew Polk, Mindy Escobar Leants,

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<v Speaker 1>Steve Routman and Stefan Brudnitsky. Theme music by Tyler Cash.

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<v Speaker 1>Archival research by Adam Shapiro, thanks to Oran Rosenbaum at

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