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Speaker 2: This is I want your Flex with Dan Bayer and

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Speaker 2: Mike Harmon. Mike and Dan break down everything you need

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Speaker 2: The guys help you make those hard decisions. And now

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Speaker 1: Welcome in too. I want your flex.

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Speaker 3: Looking ahead the week nine, we'll take a look at

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Speaker 3: Thursday night's matchup. If Mike I'm at Swollen Dome, you

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Speaker 3: can find Ian Roddy, our executive producer, at Ian Roddy Underscore,

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Speaker 3: and you can find me at Dan Byer on Fox.

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Speaker 1: I know people were cringing last week when.

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Speaker 3: The Ravens Dolphins grapha graphic appeared on the screen.

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Speaker 1: However, as we found.

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Speaker 3: Out, Lamar Jackson's going to be back for the Ravens

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Speaker 3: on Thursday night, so that'll be a boost and the Dolphins,

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Speaker 3: as we talked about in our previous pod, coming off

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Speaker 3: of the win against the Falcons.

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Speaker 1: So maybe not as bad as it was a.

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Speaker 3: Week ago, but We'll dive into some of that a

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Speaker 3: little bit later on in the pod. It should also

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Speaker 3: be noted that the NFL trade deadline less than a

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Speaker 3: week away, coming up on Tuesday. We expect to see

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Speaker 3: some deals done. We don't know how big of deals.

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Speaker 3: It is the season though, Mike, for every NFL insider

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Speaker 3: to tell us all these players are not available, giving

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Speaker 3: leverage to the team that has those players, only for

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Speaker 3: them to possibly be traded at some point in the

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Speaker 3: next six days.

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Speaker 4: Are you saying that they're getting notes from their favorite

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Speaker 4: general managers and team officials as to what to say

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Speaker 4: isn't going to happen?

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you.

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Speaker 3: Nick Wright is pretty vocal on X about insiders, and

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Speaker 3: these big deals. So hopefully it has happens within the

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Speaker 4: No, And that's it, right, It's the condensed or contraction

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Speaker 4: of this field to a degree, where it just seems

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Speaker 4: but yeah, it's just that kind of time. Hopefully we

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Speaker 5: But all of that to say that it.

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Speaker 4: Seems fewer teams being willing to just stand pat or

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Speaker 6: Man, you think it's a social media thing, just the

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Speaker 6: Just like the noise surrounding a franchise when they're struggling,

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Speaker 4: always trying to justify your job right to a degree.

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Speaker 4: So if this isn't working, then pivot and say, hey,

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Speaker 6: You just got more opinions than ever now. And that's

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Speaker 6: Well, you got on the Jaguars guy and he that

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Speaker 1: Actually, I think that these guys don't care.

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Speaker 5: That's that's not the way it is.

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Speaker 4: I think I would look to it for sure, right,

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Speaker 4: But you already had some pretty decent infrastructure for a CHAN.

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Speaker 5: And I love a Chan I think he's a great player.

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Speaker 6: I'm not saying I wouldn't trade him, because I think

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Speaker 1: How many times are the Dolphins gonna be in games?

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Speaker 3: So if you keep a Chan this year and then

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the curiosity right with Ross. Does he clean

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Speaker 4: The fact that they left Carson wentz out there to die.

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Speaker 5: The hell's throwing me the football?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I I thought maybe that's what the Cousins

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Speaker 4: Well, but that but that's the larger question I think

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Speaker 5: Where where in that?

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Speaker 4: Like if you're going in a giant pie chart, Dan, Like,

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Speaker 4: I think I think there's still a great opportunity here.

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Speaker 3: He got me a backdoor touchdown just because they were

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Speaker 3: It was the poorest day. Otherwise they all count the same, Dan, Yeah, yeah, absolutely,

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Speaker 4: into that part of his game. Keaton Mitchell was back

436
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Speaker 4: and healthy and offered a big explosive option for them

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Speaker 4: against Chicago, So I would expect, you know, Henry's going

438
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Speaker 4: to be a top three back for the week, no

439
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Speaker 4: question about it. We get Lamar back in as a starter,

440
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Speaker 4: but I've been looking at Keaton Mitchell as a guy

441
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Speaker 4: in your daily fantasies or as a flex play to

442
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Speaker 4: maybe get some action laid in the game to where

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Speaker 4: we get some points.

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Speaker 5: Certainly here and.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you what points in Week nine. I don't

446
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Speaker 3: know if you've seen the lines, guys on the slate

447
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Speaker 3: of games. A bit of a different story from week

448
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Speaker 3: eight now Week nine. Eagles, Bucks, Jets, and Browns have

449
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Speaker 3: a bye. But remember we talked about there were just

450
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Speaker 3: a couple of games that were close and then everything

451
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Speaker 3: else was kind of a touchdown. And then he had

452
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Speaker 3: the Titans Colts game where Indy was about a two

453
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Speaker 3: touchdown favorite and the Chiefs were about eleven points give

454
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Speaker 3: or take a point. Much tighter lines that we've got

455
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Speaker 3: for the matchups that we got, but the over unders

456
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Speaker 3: are in a full coming up for Week nine.

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Speaker 4: Fifty and a half for Baltimore Miami, the high is Arizona.

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Speaker 4: Dallas is fifty four and a half, m Chicago, Cincinnati

459
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Speaker 4: fifty two and a half, Kansas City Buffalo fifty two

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Speaker 4: and a half. Yeah, there's some great stuff San Francisco

461
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Speaker 4: and New York. Even with no camp Scataba and questions

462
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Speaker 4: about the quarterback position for San Francisco forty nine and

463
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Speaker 4: a half insane.

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Speaker 3: Wow, there should be opportunities. I would have thought that

465
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Speaker 3: we just talked about the Vikings and Justin Jefferson, and

466
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Speaker 3: even though we don't know who Minnesota's quarterback is going

467
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Speaker 3: to be, once we find out, I wonder if that'll

468
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Speaker 3: eave it, in effect at least the over under for

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Speaker 3: what the Vikings have. But the only dog game in

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Speaker 3: terms of the line seems to be that Denver Houston game,

471
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Speaker 3: which could end up being a pretty good football game

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Speaker 3: considering the way that the Texans were able to control

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Speaker 3: things against the Niners. And we'll see how things go

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Speaker 3: against Denver. But I think for as bad as Week

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Speaker 3: eight was, Mike, you picked the perfect week to go

476
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Speaker 3: to a game because there just wasn't really anything there.

477
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Speaker 3: And Ian had the perfect week for his girlfriend to

478
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Speaker 3: be in town because he had his Jets win and

479
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Speaker 3: then he didn't have to watch all the crap that was.

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Speaker 1: On the rest of the day if he didn't need to.

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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think We're going to

482
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Speaker 3: be in much better, better form and have better games

483
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Speaker 3: coming up here in Week nine with the slate that's ahead.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, four teams on the by, so you worked to that.

485
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Speaker 4: We've talked a lot about the injuries that have piled

486
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Speaker 4: up across the league, but some really great matchups when

487
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Speaker 4: you get down to it.

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Speaker 5: Some curiosities for sure. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: You know, as we get to the second half of

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Speaker 4: the season, teams, you know, have this this moment to

491
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Speaker 4: try to figure out who they are ahead of the

492
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Speaker 4: trade deadline, you know, like we always do with Major

493
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Speaker 4: League Baseball. Are you a buyer or seller? We haven't

494
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Speaker 4: said that in the NFL a ton, but we talked

495
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Speaker 4: about it with the change of GMS and age and

496
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Speaker 4: philosophies of building a squad that maybe we do after

497
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Speaker 4: you know, Sunday's games start seeing a lot more activity

498
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Speaker 4: and shuffle up and deal with guys and new homes.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm gonna find interesting is you know Joe Flacco

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Speaker 3: had the shoulder injury you mentioned earlier, even if he

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Speaker 3: doesn't go against the Bears, Mic, I mean Jake Browning,

502
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Speaker 3: it was more of the interceptions that killed him, and

503
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Speaker 3: and I know there was a down game against Minnesota,

504
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Speaker 3: but still they could throw the ball, So that's not

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Speaker 3: necessarily gonna.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it would change your out.

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Speaker 3: Uh, you know your questioning on the output of what

508
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Speaker 3: Jamar Chase or Chase Brown would do in that game.

509
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Speaker 3: And I still think that you could get in the

510
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Speaker 3: shootout and maybe maybe that's the opportunity for Caleb Williams

511
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Speaker 3: to break out of a bit of a slump.

512
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Speaker 4: Right now, to get back into it and pushing the

513
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Speaker 4: ball downfield.

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Speaker 5: There were a couple of throws really liked.

515
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Speaker 4: A couple that were head scratching in the Sunday loss

516
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Speaker 4: to the Ravens. One that as I did an awful

517
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Speaker 4: lot of there's there's memes you know where you just

518
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Speaker 4: kind of put your hands over your head. Not quite

519
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 4: the Tim Robbins. I just survived everything in Shawshank, but

520
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:25,920
Speaker 4: just the what am I doing here?

521
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Speaker 5: Why me?

522
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 4: But still trying to figure out, Like we saw him

523
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Speaker 4: Loveland get a ball early.

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Speaker 5: He's like, hey, hey, no, cool, come out, he got

525
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Speaker 5: a pass? Hey you get dick at him?

526
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Speaker 4: You know, we're yelling back and forth to each other

527
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 4: like idiots, and all the Bears fans in a ten

528
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Speaker 4: that's gone.

529
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Speaker 5: I remember, Hey, they remember that guy.

530
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Speaker 4: Exists, So you know, little hits around there. I mean,

531
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Speaker 4: Swift wasn't great, but found the end zone. So I

532
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Speaker 4: mean you've got the opportunity. But yeah, with Browning, the

533
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 4: thing I like about him is he has no conscience,

534
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 4: like he's already got the forty year old veteran kind

535
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Speaker 4: of mentality of all right, I'm here to throw the football,

536
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Speaker 4: and I'll make a throw. And for Jamar, Chase and

537
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 4: certainly for t Higgins huge. I wonder if Flacco can't go,

538
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Speaker 4: how much that hurts our guy, Chase Brown who's been

539
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 4: rediscovered these last couple of weeks with Flacco under center,

540
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Speaker 4: after being just miserable for us and seemingly I had

541
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Speaker 4: the giant sharpie king size that had his name in

542
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Speaker 4: the cold soars every week for a month. So we'll

543
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Speaker 4: see about that. But yeah, starting off with Thursday night,

544
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Speaker 4: what do you think can to replicate to any degree

545
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Speaker 4: what he did in Week eight?

546
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Speaker 1: Yeah?

547
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, because I don't have a lot of trust in

548
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Speaker 3: the Ravens defense. I just think ultimately Lamar and Derrick Henry,

549
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Speaker 3: I mean, Henry's actually been good in the last couple

550
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Speaker 3: of weeks, So for as bad as the Ravens have been,

551
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Speaker 3: maybe we've slept on him.

552
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Speaker 1: Just a little bit.

553
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Speaker 3: I think it could be there, Mike, I just don't

554
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Speaker 3: think they're going to win the football game.

555
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Speaker 4: No, I would concur Baltimore a little more than a

556
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,880
Speaker 4: touchdown favorite in that one. But gotta love the fact

557
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Speaker 4: that we're sitting seeing a fifty number for the total

558
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Speaker 4: by the betting line for a Thursday night football game,

559
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Speaker 4: because Lord knows, through the years, we've certainly had some

560
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Speaker 4: how should we say, less than stellar and exciting outings

561
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Speaker 4: to chronicle, so you know, hopefully, hopefully it lives up

562
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Speaker 4: to the billing, and certainly everybody excited to get Lamar

563
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Speaker 4: back in their lineups and back on the field.

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Speaker 3: Well, hey, let's wrap things up here on iwinterflex. Mike

565
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 3: and I both like the Ravens coming up on Thursday.

566
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Speaker 3: Good slate of games. My Seahawks on Sunday night football, guys,

567
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Speaker 3: YU taking on the Commanders and what probably look like

568
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 3: a much better game at the beginning of the year.

569
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Speaker 3: But the Seahawks sitting there at five and two tie

570
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Speaker 3: to top the division. They've got an interesting stretch coming up,

571
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Speaker 3: but a cross country trip to take on the Commanders

572
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Speaker 3: and see on how healthy Washington is as they've been

573
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Speaker 3: nursing injuries. We know J Daniels and whatnot, and and heck,

574
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Speaker 3: we're going to find out on Monday on you know

575
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Speaker 3: what's happening with the Cardinals and Kyler Murray as they

576
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Speaker 3: go to Dallas. And you talked about that high point game,

577
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Speaker 3: So some quarterback injuries to watch throughout the week. Bryce

578
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 3: Young again monitoring as Carolina is on the way uh

579
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Speaker 3: to face Green Bay. And if there's one thing that

580
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Speaker 3: we've learned last week with Lamar Jackson, never assume, never

581
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Speaker 3: assume we're gonna.

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Speaker 5: Full participant with the scout team.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and John Harbaugh, having been in the league all

584
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:33,640
Speaker 4: these years, didn't know the difference.

585
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Speaker 6: It was the Vegas line that really did it.

586
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Speaker 5: It was their favor by a touchdown. Well, but that's it, right.

587
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Speaker 4: But that's the problem is coming off of what happened

588
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Speaker 4: with the NBA last week, everybody hit the brakes on

589
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Speaker 4: that as fast as they could.

590
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Speaker 1: Who whoa, whoa, whoa whoa.

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Speaker 5: We got to fix that. You mentioned the Monday game,

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Speaker 5: we'd be remiss.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 4: Gus folks did their claims keeping an eye out on

595
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Speaker 4: the waiver wire. Murray supposed to in theory be back

596
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Speaker 4: if not. Brissett's in decent spots against Dallas for sure.

597
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 3: Sure, And we'll know more on the Thursday practice for

598
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 3: the Cardinals, and we'll be back again Friday with our

599
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Speaker 3: rankings that Mike has for the quarterbacks, running backs, and

600
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Speaker 3: wide receivers, and have a much clearer picture on the

601
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Speaker 3: injuries that have been going down in the NFL. And

602
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Speaker 3: we're out, yeah, at the halfway point during week nine,

603
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Speaker 3: so after week nine, halfway through the regular season.

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Speaker 1: So for Ian Roddy and Mike Carmon, I'm Dan bayer h.

605
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Speaker 3: We need to talk to you later in the week,

606
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 3: give you those rankings, hop plays, points of b los

607
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 3: and streaming defenses and so much more. We'll talk to

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Speaker 3: you then here And I wonder what