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A former Navy seal, a Rhodes scholar, 19 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 1: the founder of a veteran's charity, a quote good husband 20 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:31,399 Speaker 1: and father, and by all accounts you know, even my 21 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 1: partner in Crime. Alan Duke says he's a darn good 22 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: looking guy. Now I don't find him good looking, but 23 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 1: that's just me because I know the rest of the story. 24 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for 25 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: being with us. I'm talking about a governor, a governor 26 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: of Missouri who is admitting now to a sex affair 27 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: but denying blackmail. You know what if a merry guy 28 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 1: is running around having sex, uh, I don't like it, 29 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 1: but my ears don't perk up. Blackmail, that's a whole 30 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:19,239 Speaker 1: another can of worms. I'm talking about Governor Eric Gryighton, 31 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: who sought Missouri's highest office. His resume seemed almost too 32 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: good to be true. But it's true, as I said, 33 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 1: Former Navy Seal Rhodes, scholar, founder of a veteran's charity, 34 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: Faithful husband and father? What went wrong? Joining me right now? 35 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 1: Dr Tiffany Sanders, Chicago psychologist, Nema had Dotti l a 36 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: criminal defense lawyer and former prosecutor. Aren't Harris Crime Stories 37 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 1: investigative reporter Alan Duke and Jackie Howard to break it 38 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 1: down and put it back together again, Aren't Harris? Can 39 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: we just start at beginning? How does blackmail get into 40 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 1: the same sentence with Navy seal Rhodes scholar, father and husband. 41 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 1: How does blackmail inject itself in there? Let's find us 42 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: back just a second as see to the alleged uh incident. 43 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: This is someone who he met. It was his hair dresser. 44 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 1: Wait a minute, which incident, the blackmail or the sex. 45 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: This is the alleged mistress who has said on a 46 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:32,519 Speaker 1: tape that was given to a TV station by her 47 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 1: very angry ex husband who has been stalking the Navy 48 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: seal in tweets for quite a while. She says that 49 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 1: he tied her up. Well, he taped her hands two 50 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 1: rings in the basement. He wanted her to come downstairs 51 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: so we could quote make her feel good and also 52 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: show her how to do a proper pull up. Okay, 53 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 1: wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait. Jackie 54 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: here in the studio is just laughing. Okay, can we 55 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: all get real just for a moment. Okay, First of all, 56 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: why is the hair addresser at his house? Number one? 57 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 1: Number two? If I got to a guy's house and 58 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: he tells me he wants me to go in the 59 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: basement to make me feel good and learn to do 60 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: a proper chin up or pull up or whatever it 61 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: is you just said. Right there, I'm gone. Okay, Dr 62 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,280 Speaker 1: Tiffany Sanders, please take off your psychologist hat just for 63 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 1: a moment and put on your regular working woman hat. 64 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:33,159 Speaker 1: First of all, a married man wants to take you 65 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:35,479 Speaker 1: in his basement to quote make you feel good. You 66 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: know what, I feel good walking out the door. This 67 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:42,479 Speaker 1: is not a young girl. She's at a married man's 68 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 1: home and he wants to take her to the basement 69 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 1: to quote make her feel good and do a pull up. Okay, 70 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: that is laughable, right, Nancy. You know this is a husband, 71 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:59,359 Speaker 1: a former Navy seal. Professionalism when you're interacting with other professions, 72 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: there's no need to make each other feel good. If 73 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: she's doing a service and she cuts your hair, that 74 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: makes you feel good, and then you give her a 75 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:09,159 Speaker 1: chip as you pay, and you escort her out the door. 76 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: So he was actually trying to seduce her. I'll make 77 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: you feel good. Let me bring you in this place, 78 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 1: and let me show you how to do it properly. 79 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: Those are tactics of a of a single man who's 80 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 1: aggressively pursuing a woman, not of a politician and an 81 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 1: upstanding citizen who is supposed to be leading the state 82 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 1: or a future leader of the state. I'm very sad 83 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: and disappointed to hear that if my husband had done 84 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: anything like that, Oh, we would truly have a problem. 85 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 1: If David Eugene Lynch invites another woman to the basement 86 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:50,720 Speaker 1: to teach her how to do a pull up, Honey, 87 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 1: he's coming home to all his clothes burning in the 88 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 1: front yard, and all the locks change exactly whenever he 89 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: smarts up. I say something loving like, how does every 90 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 1: other weekend sound to you? Okay? That straightens them up 91 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 1: pretty quickly, Arn't Harris, stop laughing because you know David. Okay, 92 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 1: I want to get back to this. Arn't Harris. There 93 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 1: you see a woman's view of let me teach you 94 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:15,479 Speaker 1: how to do a pull up in my basement. For 95 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: all of you guys listening to serious sex in one two, 96 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:22,039 Speaker 1: please do not use that pitiful pickup line, come to 97 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: my basement, let me teach you how to do a 98 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 1: pull up? But actually aren't. Maybe it is a good 99 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 1: pickup line because seemingly it worked art well. Nancy, I'm, 100 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 1: according to the uh, the student of push ups. She 101 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 1: did go to the basement. Uh, she did say that 102 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: she knew that this was a seduction scene. Uh, and 103 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: she just froze. Apparently he taped her hands to some 104 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 1: rings according to uh. To her, uh, presumably to make 105 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 1: it easier to hold onto them while she was doing 106 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 1: the push up. But then she sees a flash and 107 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: knows that he is taking a picture of her when 108 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:04,600 Speaker 1: she hears him say, if you ever say anything or 109 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: mention my name, these will be widely circulated. This is 110 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: according to her ex husband, who is very angry and 111 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 1: has been tweeting the governor quite a while accusing him 112 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 1: of of these things that he finally has acknowledged. Are 113 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 1: are you're putting the cart before the horse? Hold on? 114 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: Let me back it up. When you first said taped 115 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 1: her fingers two rings, I just assumed you were putting 116 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: tape in the back of a ring on your finger 117 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: to make it fit your finger. Did I get that wrong? 118 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:41,679 Speaker 1: I'm reading between the lines, Nancy as a next native 119 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 1: guy who knows no seals and knows how how you 120 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 1: do pull ups and how to make them easy. Uh, 121 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: that is, if you can somehow tape your hands in place. 122 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 1: It's the only thing that I can imagine. He was 123 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 1: doing unless there was some bond did you going on? 124 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: Which she doesn't just allege. Alan, What I'm trying to 125 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 1: say is, these were not rings that fit on your fingers. 126 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: These were exercise pull up rings. I believe Art left 127 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: out the part where she was naked and blindfolded, Alan Duke, 128 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: these were exercise pull up rings. She was naked and blindfolded. 129 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: Let's just try to start at the beginning. The hair 130 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: addresser goes to his home ostensibly to do his hair. 131 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: He invites her to the basement to quote make her 132 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 1: feel good and show her how to do a pull up. 133 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 1: She goes down there, according to Art Harris, and he 134 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: tapes her hands to pull up exercised rings. Somehow she 135 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 1: ends up naked and blindfolded, and there's a photo taken 136 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 1: and that sets the ball in motion. But to Neema 137 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: had Dotti, very well known l a criminal defense lawyer, Nema, 138 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 1: I don't want to throw you a bone on this one, 139 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 1: but so far I have not heard a crime yet. Yeah, 140 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: definitely not. And on top of everything, there is some 141 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 1: type of motive even by the ex husband that his 142 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:11,839 Speaker 1: marriage fell. Apart as to maybe stretching the truth a 143 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: little bit, well, don't you think of photos? Pictures speaks 144 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 1: a thousand words, aren't Harris? What are you saying about 145 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: a photo? The hairdresser notices a flash and assumes that 146 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 1: he has taken photos of her nude. Uh he she says. 147 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:29,839 Speaker 1: He then said, look, if you ever say anything is 148 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: my name, because will be widely circulated. He denies that, 149 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 1: of course, through his lawyer. And as far as the 150 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 1: crime goes, I'm trying to figure out why it is 151 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: now being investigated by the local d A. Uh, the 152 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:52,199 Speaker 1: husband says. The FBI has has called Uh. So, I 153 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 1: don't know if that is in relation to a blackmail 154 00:09:55,960 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: alleged blackmail threat or an email the the wife sent 155 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 1: him to say, you know, we gotta cut this off, 156 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: hurting com many people that email his surface Nancy in 157 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 1: the local newspaper. Uh. And so you have a lot 158 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 1: of snippets of so called evidence that is is a 159 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: little murder. As a matter of fact, let's take a listen, 160 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 1: Alan Deep, could you please roll the conversation we have 161 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: recorded allegedly by the hairdresser's ex husband and her husband 162 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: tell me the truth. So on Saturday morning, before my 163 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 1: first client, I did go to his house percent. Ever, 164 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 1: like I said, nothing was period, had ever happened or 165 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 1: taken place until this snowball tornado just happened. I know 166 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: I brought it on. So she's explaining. Alan Deep explaining 167 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 1: to her ex husband that her interactions with Governor Grighton 168 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 1: we're sometimes initiated by her. They met because she did 169 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: his hair, But the fact that they met professionally and 170 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:21,679 Speaker 1: she initiated some of their sex interactions does not relieve 171 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 1: him from that. But again, Alan, an extramarital affair is 172 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: not a crime. It was consensual. Okay, let's let's listen 173 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:37,439 Speaker 1: to that. That Eric a year ago, and I instantly 174 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:40,959 Speaker 1: had a big crush on it. So to Dr Tiffany Sanders, 175 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 1: Chicago psychologist, she says she feels drawn to the governor, 176 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 1: but when he told her, I want you to come 177 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 1: over to his home, she had first said no, she 178 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 1: wanted to meet for coffee, and he responds, I can't, 179 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: I can't be seen with you. This is wrong. Listen 180 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: to what she said, and I said, I know, So 181 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 1: he said, just just come to my house. And here's 182 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 1: the slippery slope. Dr Tiffany. She says, she agrees to 183 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 1: go to his house to quote talk talk. I don't 184 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: want to talk to a married man. I don't even 185 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: want to talk to them absolutely. What what's the purpose 186 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 1: of the conversation. You could essentially email your rate, what 187 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: you know, send pictures of your portfolio of work you've done. 188 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: What do we need to discuss? And the reason why 189 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: he didn't want to possibly meet with her in public 190 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 1: is because he didn't want to give an image of 191 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: doing something improper, So he begs you to meet behind 192 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 1: closed doors. That's a clear warning sign, though, And where 193 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 1: is this woman's judgment? She also was married, so you 194 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 1: have to think about it. If your husband was doing 195 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 1: something like that, wouldn't you be offended? So somewhere at 196 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 1: all sense of judgment on both parts is to totally missing. 197 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: And I am surprised that this woman made these are 198 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:07,079 Speaker 1: took these steps. Take a listen to what Elsie, a 199 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 1: legend mistress, has to say. He said, I'll make you 200 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: feel better because I'll make you so good. Come downstairs. 201 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 1: I want to show you how to get a proper 202 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 1: pull up. And I knew that he would being sexual, 203 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 1: and I still let him. I mean used some sort 204 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: of tape I don't know what it was, and takes 205 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 1: my hands to these rains and then he blind bled 206 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:42,559 Speaker 1: on me. I don't know, I don't even know. I 207 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: just know, and he's stuffed back and so fleshed bild. 208 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:54,679 Speaker 1: He said, you're never going to mention my name otherwise 209 00:13:54,720 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: thing that was so aren't Harris Crime Stories contributing reporter. 210 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:07,680 Speaker 1: That's exactly as you said. It is supported in these 211 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 1: recorded conversations about the flash. No one has seen the photos, Nancy, 212 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 1: or they haven't been produced. He denies uh taking them, 213 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 1: but I think at one point he may say I 214 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 1: had some photos and I deleted them. But there, you know, 215 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: there's not So where's that evidence that he was supposedly 216 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: going to use the blockmailer? We don't know. We do know. 217 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: This husband has been calling newspapers, tweeting and turning over 218 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: tapes he's made of his wife discussing this, and that 219 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: has created a firestorm in Missouri and demands for him 220 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 1: to resign, and now a local d A saying the 221 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: local citizens deserve a full investigation of this as a 222 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:00,040 Speaker 1: matter of fact. Aren't. Once again, you're right. Take to 223 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: listen to what the ex husband has to say. This 224 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: is what he tells news for and why you still 225 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 1: upset and took a bigure of my wife naked as blackmail? 226 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 1: There is no worse person. I think it's as bad 227 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: as it gets. I think it's as bad as it 228 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 1: gets when somebody takes advantage of somebody, so to l 229 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: a criminal defense attorney, Niema has Ati, Niema, this is 230 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 1: where the allegation of blackmail comes in. It's what the 231 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 1: governor allegedly tells the mistress about the photo. Yes, you know, Nancy. 232 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 1: One more issue that bands out to me as well 233 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 1: is even after the alleged blackmail takes place. Uh, the 234 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 1: mistress does alleged that there's one more physical altercation even 235 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 1: after that. So Nima Haidati, you're right, You're right about 236 00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 1: that timeline of events. She us go back to the well. 237 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: But does that negate the initial blackmail? No, it does not. 238 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 1: Initial alleged blackmail go ahead. No, based on those facts. Uh, 239 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 1: if th facts are true, then this does equated to blackmail. Um, 240 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: there is a threat to release something embarrassing to the public, 241 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 1: and that's exactly what allegedly happened in that case. I'm 242 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 1: trying to sort through all this to Alan Duke. He 243 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: has issued a statement what does his statement say, Alan, Yes, Nancy. 244 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 1: After this just emerged very recently, he and his wife 245 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 1: issued a joint statement. In fact, they sort of did. 246 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 1: In her voice, she says, a few years ago, before 247 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 1: Eric was elected governor, there was a time when he 248 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: was unfaithful in our marriage. This was a deeply personal mistake. 249 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 1: Eric took responsibility. We dealt with this together honestly and privately, 250 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:05,199 Speaker 1: and that was the initial statement. He did admit to 251 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:09,159 Speaker 1: being unfaithful, though, and that's probably the important thing. But 252 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 1: they say it is over, let's forget about it. Well, 253 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:17,880 Speaker 1: the reality is, um, if you locked up every guy 254 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:22,680 Speaker 1: that's been unfaithful, well, who would be left? Jackie, She's saying, 255 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: I don't know, would there be anybody left. I swear 256 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 1: on a stack of Bibles that my husband and my 257 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:31,919 Speaker 1: father were never unfaithful, and I'm going to go to 258 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: my grave believing that. And I don't want to know 259 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:39,679 Speaker 1: anything different. But I mean, what I'm saying is to 260 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: be unfaithful, to cheat on your wife or husband is 261 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:48,439 Speaker 1: not a reason to lose a job. Period. When he 262 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 1: comes back up for reelection, then that people of Missouri 263 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 1: can decide if they want him to be their governor anymore. 264 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 1: I mean, look at Clinton for Pete, say, he was 265 00:17:57,040 --> 00:18:00,200 Speaker 1: voted in twice and we know he ran around owned. 266 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 1: So let's take this thing through. The problem with this, though, 267 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: is blackmail. That is a crime. If this rises to blackmail? 268 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 1: Two Art Harris Crime Stories, contributing reporter Art. Is there 269 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 1: actually a formal investigation going on? Is this governor Missouri 270 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:30,160 Speaker 1: governor under criminal investigation for blackmail? The circuit you got, 271 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 1: the circuit attorney is looking into this, she says, and 272 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:38,640 Speaker 1: has asked anyone with any knowledge to call her office 273 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 1: and they will follow up on on on any tips 274 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:46,639 Speaker 1: if these this vaccinario is true. And he takes a 275 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:49,879 Speaker 1: picture of her, blindfolded and naked and says, if my 276 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 1: name gets out, your picture is going to be everywhere. 277 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 1: That's blackmail. But how do you prove that to a jury? You? 278 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 1: It seems to me it's a tough one if you're 279 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:05,360 Speaker 1: a d a uh, And it's a dream case if 280 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 1: you're a defense lawyer. First of all, you don't have 281 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 1: a photo. Uh. Second of all, you have her statement 282 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 1: to her husband that that's what happened, and they are 283 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 1: now divorced. This has caused a rupture in their marriage. 284 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:25,360 Speaker 1: Uh they have a daughter. Uh the guidance have children 285 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 1: and you know so this that rupture is the marriage. 286 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 1: I guess so. I mean if I walked in and 287 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: found David with another woman and either one of them 288 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 1: were tied up doing a pull up naked in a blindfold? 289 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, for would fly? Arn't for would fly? You 290 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:44,439 Speaker 1: don't know it. But I want to get back to 291 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 1: what concerns me. I don't care what they're doing in 292 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 1: their private time. I do not care. But what I 293 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 1: care about it's a crime. Now, you said this is 294 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:55,679 Speaker 1: tough to prove. How are you going to prove it? Well, 295 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 1: I'll tell you how. It's called a jury trial. That's how. 296 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 1: If they believe the amen, then they'll convict. If they 297 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: don't believe it was a legitimate blackmail, then they will not. 298 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:09,120 Speaker 1: That's how you prove it, win or lose. You put 299 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:10,920 Speaker 1: it to a jury. You give it your best shot. 300 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: Remember all those days in court together, aren't Harris? I 301 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 1: remember you, Nancy, Uh, imploring the jury of a young 302 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 1: woman who was fifteen and looked older. But in your 303 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: eyes you told the jury I'll never forgets she is 304 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: a child of God and Nancy. They came back and 305 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 1: they believe you, and they believed the you know, the 306 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 1: the victim. So you know, you don't know what the 307 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: jury is gonna believe. But it does boil down to credibility, 308 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 1: it really does. I'm just trying to figure out. I'm 309 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 1: gonna go back to Nema Haddadi on this. Nema, what 310 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 1: is your understanding? I mean, I think I understand very 311 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:51,920 Speaker 1: well what is blackmail? But do you believe this is blackmail? 312 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,639 Speaker 1: Do you think a jury would convict you know, I 313 00:20:55,160 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: don't based on the facts right now, technically allegedly, yes, 314 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,680 Speaker 1: the way that the facts are put out there, if 315 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: if you were to believe the recording guest, I believe 316 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,919 Speaker 1: that the jury would um come back. They have the 317 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 1: elements of black mouth. But I feel like for a 318 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 1: defense attorney, there's a lot of issues. There's a lot 319 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 1: of things missing, there's a lot of motive there. Um, 320 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 1: there's just it seems like a lot of issues to 321 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,680 Speaker 1: Mighty the water. Well, we've done some legal research and 322 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 1: um Aunt Harris and I worked on a case like 323 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 1: this together many many years ago. But Missouri's wire tapping 324 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: law is a one party consent, which means if you're 325 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 1: on the phone and you're you're talking to someone, one 326 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 1: of you agrees to be taped and the other one 327 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:52,160 Speaker 1: doesn't know. That's okay, all right. You can record your 328 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 1: own conversations. And that is what the ex husband did 329 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: in this scenario. He taped his conversations with his wife 330 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:03,400 Speaker 1: as she was describing this sex encounter with the governor. 331 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: You know what, I hate to see a good governor, 332 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 1: if he is in fact a good governor, a Navy seal, 333 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 1: veteran's charity organizer, a Rhodes scholar, go crashing down. Especially 334 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: hate to see his family go crashing down over an affair. 335 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:25,639 Speaker 1: If the wife wants to put their relationship back together. 336 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 1: But if blackmail is involved, that, as I said, is 337 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,639 Speaker 1: a whole another can of worms. We are on it, 338 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 1: you know, switching gears very quickly. Are you exhausted, Art Harris? 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Not only have they been discovered, 374 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 1: no one has claimed them to Arn't Harris Crime Stories 375 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,679 Speaker 1: contributing reporter are what can you tell me? How can 376 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:22,439 Speaker 1: someone not notice their four year old child is missing? Nanthy, 377 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 1: This is something that has traumatized even the homicide detectives. 378 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 1: He's never seen a case like this in the seventeen 379 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 1: years on the force. They have found a skeletal remains 380 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 1: of a four year old Uh in garbage bags in 381 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: the back of a vacant house. This was back in 382 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 1: September twenty uh landscape refinds the bags he's a skeleton, 383 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 1: calls police. They're taken to the medical examiner's office and 384 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:54,120 Speaker 1: she does a facial reconstruction, uh and develops a photo 385 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:58,640 Speaker 1: of this this child, and the police put it out 386 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 1: on the media. No one has come forward to say 387 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,919 Speaker 1: they have lost a child. A child is missing, and 388 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:09,680 Speaker 1: the theory is, well, maybe it came off someone came 389 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: off the highway near here and tossed the child, so 390 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,959 Speaker 1: it may not be local. But this is a horrible mystery, 391 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 1: uh that someone would not come forward and claim, uh, 392 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 1: this body, this child. No one was reported a child 393 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:27,119 Speaker 1: missing and so Nancy, this is something uh for cs. 394 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 1: I take a listen to detective into not five and 395 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 1: homicide now for almost seventeen years, and this is the 396 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,199 Speaker 1: first case I've had like this. To Alan Duke joining 397 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 1: me in l A. Alan, this is not some um 398 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 1: quote bad area of town. This is a pretty nice 399 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,959 Speaker 1: looking home and the child has found amidst garbage bags 400 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,120 Speaker 1: in the back. But the kicker is it's under construction. 401 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 1: They're renovating or remodeling or rebuilding, and workers are the 402 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 1: one that found ones that found the skeletonized remains. It 403 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 1: was a escaper who was cleaning up the yard. Apparently 404 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 1: they're getting ready to reoccupy it. But it's it's unoccupied 405 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 1: now and has been apparently for a while. But yeah, 406 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 1: nobody was living there. The fact that it was amongst 407 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 1: or in trash bags says to me this was a 408 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 1: homicide because a child does not die by accident without 409 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 1: nine one one being called. Say they drowned in the bathtub, 410 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,679 Speaker 1: or they fell, or they got run over in the street, 411 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,639 Speaker 1: you would typically call nine one one. Why would you 412 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 1: put you know, as much like top Mom Casey Anthony, 413 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,680 Speaker 1: why would you put the child in a trash bag 414 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 1: and throw away the body unless it was a nefarious death. Now, 415 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 1: this child has been skeletonized, so the child has been there, 416 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 1: according to them, at least several months. The child is 417 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 1: around four years old with dark wavy hair. That's all 418 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 1: we know now, Art, you and I have been working 419 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:04,439 Speaker 1: together many many cases, and we know that it is 420 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:10,359 Speaker 1: phenomenal what sketch artists can do as far as reconstructing 421 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:15,440 Speaker 1: what a corpse would look like in life, and they've 422 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,879 Speaker 1: done a pretty good job. Art. It's astounding what the 423 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:23,120 Speaker 1: artist has done here, Nancy Uh and you know this 424 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 1: is a She's given the child a personality. It looks 425 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 1: like in these photos even a smile uh, and smile 426 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: she made because she found several teath and things that 427 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 1: even one of them was a little chipped. And so 428 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 1: the picture picks a a happy child here, uh before 429 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 1: uh he ran into a terrible trauma. Uh and was 430 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 1: was tossed like a piece of garbage. You know the 431 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 1: fact that you what you just told me A chip 432 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 1: tooth that indicates to be some type of impact. If 433 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 1: the two that's still in the mouth, that means the 434 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 1: child had impact to the mouth forcibly enough to chip 435 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 1: a tooth. It's not like animals got ahold of it 436 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 1: and they found a tooth outside the body and anything 437 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 1: could really have happened to it. This chip tooth was 438 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 1: still in the child's mouth, which tells me there was 439 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 1: a forcible impact to the mouth. Also, uh, the date 440 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 1: the child has been there about four months, So we're 441 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 1: looking for a four year old that's been gone at 442 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 1: least four months. Dark wavy hair also d NA there 443 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 1: should be if there's any hair, enough hair to get 444 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 1: a nucleus which means the root of your hair. From that, 445 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 1: if it's allowed in the state, I would advise familial 446 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 1: d n A. A familial d n A search Alan 447 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,760 Speaker 1: do you, and I've gone round and round about familial DNA. 448 00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 1: What that is is say Art Harris Sorr, but you're 449 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 1: about to be dead. In this scenario, I find Art 450 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 1: Harris's body, I don't know who it is. So I 451 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 1: take Art's DNA and I compare it through familial DNA 452 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 1: to everybody in codis. That is the nationwide directory of 453 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 1: d n A. It's basically d n A of a 454 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 1: lot of the felons and some misdemeanors across the country. 455 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 1: It will identify if this DNA is related to anybody 456 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 1: behind bars right now or anybody in their family are alan. 457 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 1: Don't you think that would be a good next step. Yeah? Yeah, Well. 458 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 1: The the nice thing about familiar DNA is while Art 459 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 1: doesn't have a criminal record, maybe his evil sister does 460 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 1: not that I know he's got one. But let's say 461 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 1: her DNA is in the system, and they can match 462 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:58,680 Speaker 1: it up and say, okay, somebody related to this woman 463 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 1: is our perpetrator or a suspect, and they will then 464 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 1: start looking around in this in the family. Then you 465 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 1: go to that woman and say, hey, tell me about 466 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 1: your relatives who could have possibly done this. Now Here 467 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 1: you would be doing it in reverse. You've got the 468 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 1: victims DNA from a root, a nucleus of the hair, 469 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 1: and if you've got a tooth still attached to the gum, 470 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 1: you might be able to get DNA there. So you 471 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 1: would be trying to find somebody related to this child 472 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 1: behind bars. And I'm happy to report that in this 473 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:41,120 Speaker 1: jurisdiction Ohio, they do allow the use of familial DNA. 474 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 1: Take a listen to what the police say in this 475 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 1: most recent press conference. There was a homicide in the 476 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 1: same area around the same time frame that we discovered 477 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 1: these remains, and we thought it may have been connected, 478 00:31:54,280 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 1: but no, it's not connected at all anything else. How're 479 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 1: how I would say that there's somebody that misses this 480 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 1: for year old, They just haven't put the pieces together 481 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 1: to know that we're looking for this person. So that 482 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 1: sketch that guys have blasted out every place. I mean, 483 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 1: we checked every known database that we have for a 484 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 1: child at that age arrange to be missing, and we 485 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,800 Speaker 1: can't find one that matches this description. So of course 486 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 1: there's somebody that the child and just end up there. 487 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 1: So we're just asking to public help and and identifying 488 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 1: this child and and given us some kind of closure 489 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 1: and information as to how this transpired so that we 490 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 1: can finish this case. But again to Dr Tiffany Sanders, 491 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 1: Chicago psychologists, how do you not notice your four year 492 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 1: old child is gone for four months? Nancy? It's unthinkable. 493 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 1: It makes me question the parents love and care for 494 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 1: the child, which obviously is probably nothing, and what whether 495 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 1: that child was abused or neglected when they were under 496 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 1: her care. So this is a person who is callous. 497 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 1: They have no regard for human life. That's why they 498 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 1: didn't copy file a police report and maybe dropped that 499 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 1: body off in a different location. These parents did not 500 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 1: do what the parents supposed to love, protect, teach, care, 501 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:37,480 Speaker 1: guide their child. And this young, unfortunate, beautiful four year 502 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 1: old could have been a valuable member to our society. 503 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 1: That is a little boy. It's a little boy with wavy, 504 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:49,960 Speaker 1: dark hair. The sketch artists put the hair down to 505 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 1: just down the neck. Take a listen. Little boy did 506 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 1: have a strong chin. He had all six of his 507 00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:01,000 Speaker 1: top front teeth. So I did him smiling because the 508 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 1: teeth can be very diagnostic, meaning we recognize, and I 509 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:08,880 Speaker 1: think the tip of one of his canines was a 510 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 1: little bit shifted, and I think that even shows in 511 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 1: the picture I drew. I'm just looking at this sketch. 512 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:18,239 Speaker 1: It's incredible. It's a really good sketch. For anyone with 513 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 1: any information, help us, help us identify this child. The 514 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:27,880 Speaker 1: tip line to one six seven two one five, six 515 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 1: one zero, press one two one six seven to one 516 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:37,000 Speaker 1: five six one zero or two one six six two 517 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 1: three five four six four two one six six two 518 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:48,799 Speaker 1: three five four six four. The location is Kyoga County. 519 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 1: The remains of this little four year old boy were 520 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 1: found on Long Mead Avenue. There's no doubt about it. 521 00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,760 Speaker 1: Right now, we're trying to determine the cause of death, 522 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,560 Speaker 1: and Medical Examiner's Office says they are still in the 523 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 1: early stages of their investigation to establish an identification and 524 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:12,680 Speaker 1: a cause of death. They're still working on it. I 525 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:16,239 Speaker 1: guess our Harris, the fact that the child is skeletonized, 526 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,960 Speaker 1: it's going to be very difficult to determine co d 527 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,239 Speaker 1: cause of death. You know, they've got to rule out 528 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,759 Speaker 1: all sorts of things that you've you've gone strangly relation death. 529 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:29,200 Speaker 1: For example, is the highoid bone broken in the neck, 530 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,160 Speaker 1: and that's one thing they would want to rule out um. 531 00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,920 Speaker 1: You know what about the teeth. I mean you suggest 532 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,680 Speaker 1: that perhaps a victim of of domestic abuse of sorts, 533 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,799 Speaker 1: maybe of the mother's boyfriend. What's happened to the mother 534 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 1: We don't know, but the tooth is chipped, couldn't have 535 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,319 Speaker 1: been from a bicycle fall. I mean, all these things 536 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,520 Speaker 1: have to be ruled out. But they're working backwards. Listen 537 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:55,000 Speaker 1: to detective and to not this long meat addresses you know, 538 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:59,600 Speaker 1: close pro semit, interstate and for eight. So maybe someone 539 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,320 Speaker 1: has pa us and through trying to find a place 540 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:05,120 Speaker 1: to you know, dump the child. Trying to get the 541 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:09,520 Speaker 1: UM child identified. Silver PLAF called on offer information who 542 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,279 Speaker 1: could be? Has been quite a bit of DNA testing 543 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:16,080 Speaker 1: already trying to identify the child, but so far, you know, 544 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,920 Speaker 1: the child that's unidentified. If you have information, please help 545 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:26,560 Speaker 1: us solve the mystery of this tiny child's remains. 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Thank 569 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,560 Speaker 1: you not only for what you do for Americans across 570 00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:10,799 Speaker 1: the country every day, but for being our partner on 571 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:15,560 Speaker 1: Syria Sex in two Today Now we traveled to Lancaster, 572 00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:19,560 Speaker 1: South Carolina, where a three year old little girl has 573 00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:24,680 Speaker 1: been found dead. Police and Lancaster stunt to find this 574 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:31,080 Speaker 1: child dead. To Joseph Scott Morgan, forensics expert and professor 575 00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:34,799 Speaker 1: of forensics at Jacksonville State University, what do we know 576 00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,840 Speaker 1: about the cause of death? Cause of death is listed 577 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:42,880 Speaker 1: as blunt force trauma to the head in this particular case, Nancy. 578 00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:46,920 Speaker 1: That's right, Joe Scott. The police are saying in Lancaster County, well, 579 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:51,959 Speaker 1: actually the corners are saying that this child died from 580 00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:58,000 Speaker 1: blunt force trauma to the head which resulted in bleeding 581 00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:05,600 Speaker 1: inside the skull. Uh. It's akin to having a car crash. 582 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:10,560 Speaker 1: That's how severe the head injury was. What causes bleeding 583 00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:16,080 Speaker 1: to the brain or subdural bleeding. What happens, Nancy, is 584 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:21,200 Speaker 1: that when an individual is struck uh in the head. Uh, 585 00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:26,560 Speaker 1: tiny little vessels rupture, rupture within the brain. And you know, 586 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,600 Speaker 1: as we all know, our brain is contained within a 587 00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,520 Speaker 1: little sack inside of our skull, and then of course 588 00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:36,319 Speaker 1: within skull and that pressure begins to build up. You 589 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,719 Speaker 1: can imagine this little girl struggling for breath. And what 590 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,560 Speaker 1: happens is they the vessels, the blood vessels in the 591 00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:47,640 Speaker 1: brain essentially strangulate because it's so constricted and so tight 592 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:51,000 Speaker 1: and there's so much blood and there's no relief from this. 593 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:56,440 Speaker 1: I recall very well when my little nephew was struck 594 00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,719 Speaker 1: by a car a van by a woman with three 595 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,000 Speaker 1: screaming kids in the back. He was out riding his 596 00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:11,040 Speaker 1: bicycle and he had bleeding inside the skull. Luckily, he 597 00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:15,040 Speaker 1: got raised to the hospital and they put a shunt S, H, U, 598 00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,399 Speaker 1: and T in his skull. That's when I'm still a prosecutor, 599 00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:23,200 Speaker 1: and they did that to relieve the pressure on the skull. 600 00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:28,120 Speaker 1: They actually bore a hole in his head and put 601 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:33,600 Speaker 1: a tube down the top into his head to relieve pressure. 602 00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,759 Speaker 1: Because that kind of a blow to the head, your 603 00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:41,200 Speaker 1: brain starts to swell and it can only go so 604 00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,480 Speaker 1: far because of your skull, and then once that happens, 605 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:49,719 Speaker 1: you die. And I will never forget flying down the 606 00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:53,319 Speaker 1: interstate to get to the hospital and walking in and 607 00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,160 Speaker 1: he had a tube coming out the very top of 608 00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:01,120 Speaker 1: his head. I remember this moment. I to my knees 609 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,239 Speaker 1: and started praying, because I mean, I'm no doctor, as 610 00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:10,680 Speaker 1: we all know, but I knew how how serious it was. 611 00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:16,319 Speaker 1: I'm happy to report that he went on too after 612 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:21,600 Speaker 1: a very very long stained children's hospital, to be a 613 00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:26,680 Speaker 1: double major in college in chemistry in i T. And 614 00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,120 Speaker 1: now he's a sharpshooter I T tech for a big 615 00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:33,440 Speaker 1: corporation with a wife and a baby that moved in 616 00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:38,319 Speaker 1: with me with her dog and cat. So you know 617 00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:42,000 Speaker 1: it can't have a happy ending if you go to 618 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:47,960 Speaker 1: the hospital that didn't happen with this little baby, and 619 00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:54,560 Speaker 1: I'm imagining the injury that by the second grew worse inside. 620 00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,799 Speaker 1: The child said, this is a yes no answer, Joe 621 00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:02,000 Speaker 1: Scott Morgan. Could this type of try to have happened accidentally? 622 00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,319 Speaker 1: It's like she was in a car crash, but she 623 00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:09,480 Speaker 1: was in a bathtub. Yes, so you think she could 624 00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:14,640 Speaker 1: have gotten multiple blows to the head while in the bathtub. Okay, 625 00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:18,680 Speaker 1: so that's a yes no. Um, that's not an answer 626 00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:23,320 Speaker 1: what the coroner is saying, It could not have happened accidentally. 627 00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:30,040 Speaker 1: To Bobby Maxwell joining me contributing reporter with crime stories, Bobby, 628 00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:34,520 Speaker 1: the cops were told that she was in the bathtub, 629 00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:40,080 Speaker 1: that the babysitter checked on her and she was looking 630 00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:43,040 Speaker 1: around and breathing that's in the warrant. What more do 631 00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:47,400 Speaker 1: we know, Bobby, Well, we know that she left the 632 00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,680 Speaker 1: bathroom and when she came back she said she was unresponsive. 633 00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,560 Speaker 1: She are you talking about the little the baby? Kayla 634 00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:59,800 Speaker 1: Cook was the one who then found a little Lilian unresponsive? 635 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:04,680 Speaker 1: You mean the babysitter. Kayla Cook is the girlfriend of 636 00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:08,400 Speaker 1: little Lilian's father. She was the one in charge of 637 00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,799 Speaker 1: her that day, and she was the one that put 638 00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,720 Speaker 1: her in the bathtub, checked on her later and found 639 00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:19,680 Speaker 1: her unresponsive. So her story doesn't make any sense. Bobby. Uh, 640 00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:24,480 Speaker 1: what more do we know about the girl being found unconscious? 641 00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:31,560 Speaker 1: Lilian not breathing when police recalled to their Heath Circle home. 642 00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:36,080 Speaker 1: What more do we know about her injuries? Um? The 643 00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:40,880 Speaker 1: Kayla Cook called after saying the child was unresponsive. The 644 00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:44,040 Speaker 1: child was supposed to be in the care of the grandmother, 645 00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:49,000 Speaker 1: according to an Apartment of Social Services UM hand down. 646 00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,080 Speaker 1: So Kayla wasn't even supposed to have the child in 647 00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:55,000 Speaker 1: her in her care at that time. The child did 648 00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:59,279 Speaker 1: die by means of a blunt force trauma, according to 649 00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:03,239 Speaker 1: officials on the scene, and she had bruises on her 650 00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:07,360 Speaker 1: body as well. Um. When nine one one was called 651 00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:11,040 Speaker 1: and the responders got there. They said she was unresponsive 652 00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:15,080 Speaker 1: and she did die in the hospital. She was covered 653 00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:20,400 Speaker 1: in bruises, numerous bruises across her body. Okay, right there, 654 00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:26,960 Speaker 1: covered in bruises. Joe Scott Morgan speaking as a forensics expert. 655 00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:30,120 Speaker 1: When you find a child with blunt force trauma to 656 00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:34,799 Speaker 1: the head and they're already bruises on her body, that 657 00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,879 Speaker 1: screams pre existing abuse to me. If the bruises are 658 00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:45,120 Speaker 1: already visible informed, yes, you're absolutely right. Now explain that, Well, 659 00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:47,799 Speaker 1: you're gonna have a bruises. One of the things that 660 00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:51,160 Speaker 1: we do, uh, in forensics is something called the aging 661 00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:55,040 Speaker 1: of bruises, and this gives us an idea. You know, dependently, 662 00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,440 Speaker 1: we can all identify with an old bruise that we 663 00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,720 Speaker 1: have on our body and high changes colors. It's very simple. 664 00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,520 Speaker 1: That's one of the things that we do when we're 665 00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:08,440 Speaker 1: doing these examinations to determine, uh, how long these bruises 666 00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,840 Speaker 1: have been in place and have they been healing. Remember, 667 00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:13,120 Speaker 1: these things are occurring in life. You don't get a 668 00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:17,359 Speaker 1: bruise if you're dead. Okay, So this this trauma has 669 00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,960 Speaker 1: to happen in life and the question is going back, 670 00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,440 Speaker 1: hold on, hold on right there. Bruises don't happen when 671 00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:29,560 Speaker 1: you're dead. Bruises do not happen post mortem. Why because 672 00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:35,360 Speaker 1: the blood cannot coagulate or form at the point of impact. 673 00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:41,000 Speaker 1: Because your blood is not pumping, you get bruises post mortem, 674 00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:46,120 Speaker 1: post after mortem death, post mortem bruising does not happen. 675 00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,640 Speaker 1: And at the time they find the baby with her 676 00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:53,399 Speaker 1: head bashed in, a three year old Lillian with her 677 00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:57,879 Speaker 1: head bashed in in the tub from numerous blows. When 678 00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,840 Speaker 1: you fall in the bathtub, you get one low, you 679 00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,799 Speaker 1: don't fall and then fall again on the other side 680 00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:05,640 Speaker 1: of your head, and then fall again on the front 681 00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,279 Speaker 1: and fall again on the back. That doesn't happen. That 682 00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,680 Speaker 1: is against the laws of nature. So multiple blows to 683 00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:15,320 Speaker 1: the head do not happen that way. Plus, she's covered 684 00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:18,800 Speaker 1: in bruises, bruises that are visible when the E. M. T. 685 00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,560 Speaker 1: S get there. What does that mean? That means that 686 00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:26,400 Speaker 1: bruises existed before. That means to me the child was 687 00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:31,000 Speaker 1: beaten before this day. That's what I'm saying, Joe Scott, 688 00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:35,160 Speaker 1: you're right on target without assessment, Nancy, and I think 689 00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,400 Speaker 1: one of the bigger questions is going to the care 690 00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:42,799 Speaker 1: of this child? Is how far back in time do 691 00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:47,480 Speaker 1: these bruises go. Do we have bruises that date three, 692 00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:51,680 Speaker 1: four or five days, maybe even a week prior to 693 00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:55,399 Speaker 1: her death? And this goes to this idea of how 694 00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,920 Speaker 1: much agony, how much torment was this poor little angel 695 00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:02,560 Speaker 1: in prior to the fatal blow that was struck in 696 00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:06,000 Speaker 1: the bathroom. What do we know, Bobby Maxwell joining us 697 00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:10,279 Speaker 1: investigative reporter, What do we know about this girlfriend this 698 00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,640 Speaker 1: kill a cook? Well, we know that she was with 699 00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,640 Speaker 1: her boyfriend according to her Facebook page for a good 700 00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:20,840 Speaker 1: year year and a half um and she was living 701 00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:25,600 Speaker 1: with the boyfriend and the little toddler and was in 702 00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:29,600 Speaker 1: her care that day. Kayla has children of her own 703 00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:34,200 Speaker 1: according to her Facebook page, and um was in this relationship, 704 00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,400 Speaker 1: but does does not show a single picture on her 705 00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:41,160 Speaker 1: Facebook page of little Lilian, who she had been with 706 00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:44,080 Speaker 1: for a year and a half. This all goes down 707 00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:48,080 Speaker 1: with the girlfriend in the home alone. Let me understand 708 00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:52,080 Speaker 1: Bobby Maxwell was the girlfriend the twenty five year old 709 00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:56,359 Speaker 1: kill a cook, the only one in the home at 710 00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:58,880 Speaker 1: the time the child died. I mean, there's a theory 711 00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:02,080 Speaker 1: in the law which you know, Bobby Race absloquitur, which 712 00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:06,080 Speaker 1: means the thing speaks for itself. In law school it's civil, 713 00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,040 Speaker 1: not criminal. But in law school they gave us the 714 00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:12,360 Speaker 1: example of a big bag of flower falling out of 715 00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,480 Speaker 1: a window onto somebody's head and it kills them as 716 00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,879 Speaker 1: they walk underneath, and nobody is in the in the room, 717 00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:21,560 Speaker 1: which means the thing speaks for itself. It fell out 718 00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:26,520 Speaker 1: the window on its own and must have been placed 719 00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:30,960 Speaker 1: there negligently. So here you've got her alone with a 720 00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,160 Speaker 1: little girl in the home, and the girl ends up 721 00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:37,759 Speaker 1: beating dead in the bathtub. It speaks for itself as 722 00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,520 Speaker 1: far as I'm concerned. She's the only one home. Who 723 00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,000 Speaker 1: else could it have been? I mean, are we sure 724 00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,799 Speaker 1: nobody else was home at the time. No one was 725 00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:49,360 Speaker 1: home when the E. M s got to the house, 726 00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:54,040 Speaker 1: and and Kayla was the one that made call. Her 727 00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:58,680 Speaker 1: brain injuries were so severe she died quote within minutes 728 00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:04,759 Speaker 1: of the head injury. I want answers. If you know 729 00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:10,760 Speaker 1: anything about this death, if you know anything about this investigation, 730 00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:17,160 Speaker 1: please called Child Help one eight hundred four a child 731 00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:22,840 Speaker 1: or the Lancaster Police Department eight zero three to eight 732 00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:28,680 Speaker 1: three one one seven three repeat eight zero, three to 733 00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:34,880 Speaker 1: eight three one one, seven stories signing off goodbye friend,