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Speaker 2: Welcome to True Crime Tonight on Ihear Radio. We're talking

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Speaker 2: true crime all the time. It's Monday, March ninth, and

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Speaker 2: we have a stack night of headlines. The verdict in

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Speaker 2: the Alexander Brothers sex trafficking trial is in for all

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Speaker 2: three of them. Plus multiple shots have been fired at

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Speaker 2: singer Rihanna's home yesterday.

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Speaker 3: Very dangerous, very serious.

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Speaker 2: Reporters have been out there all day, so we'll give

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Speaker 2: you the rundown on that. Then there is this crazy,

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Speaker 2: eerie story, Boddy. I know you're following it closely. The

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Speaker 2: top US military official has mysteriously gone missing. It's not

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Speaker 2: getting a ton of coverage everywhere, but there is a

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Speaker 2: big connection between this top government official and UFOs allegedly

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Speaker 2: allegedly allegedly. Plus shocking new information in the Long Island

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Speaker 2: serial killer case. We'll be unpacking that. I'm Stephanie Leidecker

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Speaker 2: here as always with Courtney Armstrong. Body move in. We

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Speaker 2: have Sam and Adam waiting by the phones eight eight

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Speaker 2: eight three one crime. Feel free to call us or

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Speaker 2: leave us a talk back. And of course Taha, our

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Speaker 2: favorite producer, is here as well.

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Speaker 3: So ladies, happy Monday. We made it. We did it nice.

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Speaker 3: You guys had a good one.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, although I don't know, I feel like I'm ready

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Speaker 4: for it to be Friday, and we're very far from that.

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Speaker 2: I don't know why that feels that way, but we're

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Speaker 2: all a little listen, we're all a little on edge.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 2: It's a lot going on in the world right now.

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Speaker 2: I got cash small bills. Make sure everybody else is

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Speaker 2: filling up their tanks with gas, just to be on

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Speaker 2: the safe side.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, it's definitely in the air.

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Speaker 6: I look like a crazy person at the casino today

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Speaker 6: because I was getting money. I went today, I went,

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Speaker 6: I got I was only able to get like a

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Speaker 6: couple of five hundred bucks, right, but I had to

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Speaker 6: go and get like singles and fives because and the

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Speaker 6: lady looked at me like what are you doing, Boddy,

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Speaker 6: Like what's going on here? What are you getting all

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Speaker 6: you know, like because it's just clear. Yeah, though, because

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Speaker 6: I had this well it's easy because there's a casino

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Speaker 6: they do it for you. But you know, I work

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Speaker 6: with these people and they're like, what's going on. I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 6: she's a premper.

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Speaker 3: That's what's going on. And she's a premper. And you're

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Speaker 3: well too.

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Speaker 2: Everybody had a good Monday because I feel like there's

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Speaker 2: so many things to get you tonight. The news is buzzin'

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Speaker 2: the Alexander brothers. Obviously, this is a huge trial, sex

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Speaker 2: trafficking trial. Three brothers all being accused of the same

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Speaker 2: hideous crimes. We talked about this yesterday. You'll recall when

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Speaker 2: the star of the Bravo reality show Million Dollar Listing,

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Speaker 2: she was one of the big names that came forward

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Speaker 2: in the civil lawsuit. But the criminal verdict is in

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Speaker 2: and Courtney Armstrong, what do you think?

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Speaker 3: Criminal verdict is in? And I'm thrilled.

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Speaker 4: I got to say when we were discussing last night,

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Speaker 4: I was a little bit concerned because the jury deliberated

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Speaker 4: for you know, about three days, which is kind of long.

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Speaker 4: But you know, they have been found guilty, Tall, Orrin

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Speaker 4: and a Lawn, all three and they were found guilty

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Speaker 4: on all sex trafficking charges. There was federal jurors in

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Speaker 4: They're facing quite a bit of time. The trial had

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Speaker 4: focused on about ten federal accounts, including trafficking by a force,

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Speaker 4: fraud and coercion, and conspiracy to commit sex trafficking. So listen,

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Speaker 4: they're going to be spending quite a bit of time

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Speaker 4: do you guys think of the verdict? Were you surprised or.

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Speaker 2: I am shocked? And I am wildly impressed. And this

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Speaker 3: This show started.

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Speaker 2: I feel like we've covered so much sex trafficking specifically,

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Speaker 2: it's big charges. The odds of three brothers sharing the

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Speaker 2: having done really dastardly things. Yeah, it's a real shame

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Speaker 3: I'm a little surprised. And that's only not because the

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Speaker 3: the you know, the victim's testimony didn't seem compelling from

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Speaker 3: they should have. Yeah, that's the only reason.

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Speaker 2: Well, because they were careful with the appeal process. Does

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Speaker 2: that show that they were being extraordinary? Three brothers, you're

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Speaker 2: also you know, debating material for three different people.

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Speaker 3: That's a good point.

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Speaker 6: I just thought they were maybe a little long, you know,

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Speaker 6: But I'm happy with the result.

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Speaker 4: Well, the jurors and this would have taken some time

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Speaker 4: as well. The jurors did send one note, and it

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Speaker 4: was to request clarification on whether quote inducement through a

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Speaker 4: third party counts toward a travel related trafficking charge, which

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Speaker 4: Judge Valerica prone she confirmed it does and basically what

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Speaker 4: that means. And thank you for Producer Ava for clarifying

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Speaker 4: if a defendant caused or persuaded someone else to do

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Speaker 4: something that facilitated trafficking, that still satisfies the legal requirement

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Speaker 3: So basically, body, uh, you know, my God forbid.

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Speaker 4: If I wanted to traffic you and I said, hey, Stephanie,

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Speaker 4: do you know why don't you go ahead and make

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Speaker 4: those travel arrangements for many, I would be We're.

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Speaker 3: Off to a bad start with this plan already. I

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So the jury was thoughtful and they should be.

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Speaker 6: They should be, yes, And I'm glad. Yeah, No, I'm

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Speaker 6: glad they took their time. I just I was getting

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Speaker 6: a little nervous, that's all. But they were just being

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Speaker 3: And I appreciate that.

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Speaker 2: And just to go back to what you were just

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Speaker 4: The question has to do with literal travel related traffic

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Speaker 4: simply one of the brothers must have brought in someone

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Speaker 4: Joe Schmoe and said secretary too, a secretary whomever it was,

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Speaker 4: and said just literally can you handle the travel arrangements?

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Speaker 4: And the jury wanted to know if that would make

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Speaker 4: the brothers culpable, and it is, it does legally.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, So just because you have like an administrative assistant

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Speaker 6: jet or you know whatever, you're still ultimately responsible, right correct, Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, all of these cases are so

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Speaker 2: nuanced and certainly it is never and there's no pleasure

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Speaker 2: money in their pockets, opportunity everywhere. These are you know,

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Speaker 2: air quotes, good looking, upwardly mobile guys. It doesn't feel

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Speaker 2: good to see them, you know, in you know, prison

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Speaker 2: suicide vests. Basically you know, looking potentially to the rest

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Speaker 3: That's still pretty serious.

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Speaker 2: Nonetheless, that really the variance is kind of odd.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because the federal charges they carry lengthy prison terms

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Speaker 4: and for sex trafficking, conspiracy, and sex trafficking by force,

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Speaker 4: fraud at coersion. Each count carries a mandatory minimum of

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Speaker 4: and there are multiple counts exactly.

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Speaker 2: However, there is some stipulation or some consideration saying that

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Speaker 2: one of those fifteen year sentences for that saint, one

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Speaker 2: some chatter that fifteen years to who knows it could

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Speaker 2: go up to a lifetime behind bars. Either way, it's

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Speaker 2: not great for them, but I will say it makes

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 2: I feel like many have had to stand there and

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Speaker 2: hopefully this is a little bit of something to the

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Speaker 2: to be a lot of civil lawsuits behind this. These

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Speaker 6: I also think it has a lot to do with

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Speaker 6: That's so true. I mean people are getting people are evolving,

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Speaker 3: And I think that's really evident with this verdict. I

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Speaker 4: And there was I was reading there was a statement

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Speaker 4: guys are both saying, quote, this verdict cannot undo the

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Speaker 4: effects of penous abuse the Alexander's many victims endured, but

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Speaker 4: it does send a message New Yorkers want to bring

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Speaker 7: On dead and.

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Speaker 3: Again, it's a wake up call to all of us.

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Speaker 2: We have to be looking out for each other, you know, ladies, men,

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Speaker 2: if you're if you're if you're in the club, or

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Speaker 2: oh my goodness, look at the rich and the private planes.

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Speaker 3: Nothing really comes for free.

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Speaker 2: And these are potentially dangerous predators that are out there

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Speaker 2: until now hopefully all the rest of the predators will

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Speaker 7: It.

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Speaker 6: So I just don't think it's a deterrent sometimes that

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Speaker 6: these guys are going to do what they're going to

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Speaker 7: I mean.

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Speaker 6: We have death penalty on the table in many states

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Speaker 6: and capital punishment is a definite, real threat, and people

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Speaker 6: still murder people.

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Speaker 2: I know it's so true, but it's so confusing because again,

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Speaker 2: if you just look in these three guys on the nose,

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Speaker 2: like they you know, air quotes, everything is what they have,

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Speaker 2: everything they like, they could get other girls. They don't

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Speaker 2: have to force themselves onto women and take away so

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Speaker 2: much of their their dignity.

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Speaker 3: So, you know, isn't it weird.

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Speaker 2: That it's wis like yes, Like is it something like

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Speaker 2: I don't know, I'm desperate to interest you the mom,

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Speaker 2: Like what happens there?

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Speaker 3: And like what's the cautionary tale? As a mom? They

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Speaker 2: There was chatter of one additional sibling, but we haven't

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Speaker 4: You know, don't quote me on that, but I remember

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Speaker 4: So if you said there's no satisfaction in seeing these

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Speaker 6: First time they've ever like really had to like pay

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Speaker 3: It's the same. It's this class.

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Speaker 2: It's this entitled you know, dare I say Epstein type

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Speaker 2: And even as we're raising a new generation and you know,

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Speaker 3: Differ I would do it real weak think of these

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Speaker 7: What environment family are like that.

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Speaker 8: And it's been going on for a while, because you know,

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Speaker 7: That's been involved as far as that's concerned.

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Speaker 3: Let that be. Let this change.

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Speaker 2: You know, listen, so much could change with the rally

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Speaker 6: Right, you know, what people need to humble themselves. That's

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Speaker 6: like the lesson here too, right, they need to humble themselves.

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Speaker 6: You're not entitled to a women's body or a man's

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Speaker 6: You don't get to control that, that's not your it's

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Speaker 3: Humble yourself exactly, and stepping in the words yourself. And

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Speaker 2: In the basics of that, well, means know, at every level,

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Speaker 6: Don't have to explain why no. You don't have to

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Speaker 3: That's it. Well.

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Speaker 4: Also, in the case of the Alexander brothers, in many of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, hey, it couldn't happen to nicer guys in my opinion.

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Speaker 3: Right Well, when we come back, shots fired at Rihanna's

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Speaker 3: it's creepy. Keep it right here, True Crime Tonight.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to your Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here with

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Speaker 2: Courtney Armstrong and body move in. Happy Monday, everybody. He

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Speaker 2: so Rihanna, O my beautiful? I know, oh my god,

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Speaker 3: I won't sing it, but you know.

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Speaker 2: Rihanna, our Rihanna's fired at her house and very dangerous.

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Speaker 2: Sounds like a complete psychopath showed up and just started

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Speaker 2: shooting at her home that she shares with Asap Rocky

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Speaker 2: Courtney fill us in.

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Speaker 3: The two kids are so cute and they're two little nuggets.

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Speaker 4: Three kids, actually three, I forgot one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, I forgot.

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Speaker 4: So the shooting happened just yesterday and it was in the

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Speaker 4: ten rounds were fired at Rihanna. Rihanna's mansion in Los Angeles,

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Speaker 4: and she was inside, she was home. It was a

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Speaker 3: Is that Ortiz? Yes, that's right, yes.

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Speaker 2: Yes, she brought a gun and she was online like

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Speaker 2: talking all kinds of weird, kind of cryptic things online

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Speaker 4: Well, thankfully she was swiftly arrested and charged with attempted murder.

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Speaker 4: She allegedly Ortez fired the shots from an AR fifteen

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Speaker 4: Rihanna's home. And as you said, she lives there with

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Speaker 4: Asap Rocky, the three little kids, and lapd is on it.

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Speaker 4: A motive has not yet been determined, But Stephanie, you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really a strange thing, you know, even for Rihanna,

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Speaker 2: she used to live in Pacific Palisades, I remember, and

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Speaker 3: Paparazzi was very cool with them all the time.

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Speaker 2: And the house that they're living in in bel Air

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Speaker 2: Essentially there's a gate kind of at the house itself,

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Speaker 2: And look, it's tough to be a celebrity in that regard,

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Speaker 2: you know. Here she is just trying to kind of

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Speaker 2: it's pretty surprising. And you know, I guess that means

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Speaker 3: Can you imagine. And in those cases, they can't even

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Speaker 2: Certainly in Los Angeles they just get arrested and let

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Speaker 2: a very big deal and we'll hopefully.

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Speaker 3: Change that for Rihanna and her family. And this woman

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Speaker 3: you just said, is she crazy? Crazy?

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Speaker 4: So Artise she frequently posted on Facebook and often she

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Speaker 4: on the twenty third and said, quote, say something to

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Speaker 3: So she's delusional.

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Speaker 6: She's thinking that she's having some kind of wrap beef

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Speaker 2: A potential allegedly allegedly, and who knows, maybe they do

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Speaker 2: You know, she kind of keeps to herself. You don't

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Speaker 3: I've seen her at restaurants, not personally, she was beautiful

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Speaker 2: Shocking shocking, like oh like the sun, like the like

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Speaker 3: She's been a star for so long.

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Speaker 2: Meilissa say, I thought it had something to do with

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Speaker 2: thank goodness Rihanna is safe, is all we have to say.

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Speaker 4: Yes, absolutely, And an LAPD helicopter they tracked or teases

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Speaker 4: one one. She's been booked for that attempted murder and

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Speaker 4: she's being held on ten point two million dollars worth

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Speaker 4: from what we've said, but that's a pretty high. It's

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Speaker 4: She did have some prior rest It was careless driving

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Speaker 4: in twenty twenty one, there was domestic violence or battery

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Speaker 3: So that's a bit about her.

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Speaker 2: But her social media rants do seem a little unhinged.

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Speaker 2: So we're not saying crazy to be glib like that is.

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Speaker 2: There's probably something else going on there beflow the surface,

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Speaker 4: But dangerous, dangerous. Listen if you're just joining us, this

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Speaker 4: here as always with Stephanie Leidecker and Body Moved. And

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Speaker 4: we've just been talking about the fact that Rihanna's mansion

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Speaker 4: No one was hurt, thankfully, And now Body, you have

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm dying to talk to you about this. Body.

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Speaker 2: This is like a crazy story that's not really getting

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Speaker 2: a lot of press.

438
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,359
Speaker 6: I know it's and I think it's wild, okay, So

439
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:28,359
Speaker 6: but it's also very sad. Okay, So the disappearance of

440
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:32,639
Speaker 6: an ex general with the United States Air Force. He

441
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 6: has like massive knowledge of UFOs and the secrets are

442
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,960
Speaker 6: all in his head. It's being called a grave crisis

443
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:45,480
Speaker 6: and he's missing. Okay, this guy is missing his name.

444
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:49,000
Speaker 6: He's a retired US Air Force major general. His name

445
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 6: is William William Neil McCasland, and he's sixty eight years old.

446
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 6: And he disappeared in Albuquerque, New Mexico, on February twenty seventh.

447
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:03,120
Speaker 6: And he was seen walking on like a trail without

448
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 6: any like shoes, and he didn't have his watch or

449
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:11,120
Speaker 6: his phone, like none of his electronics. And it's prompted

450
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,920
Speaker 6: local authorities and the FBI to you know, start looking

451
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 6: for him. Investigative journalists that are following this have raised

452
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 6: national security concerns due to his knowledge of all these

453
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:24,440
Speaker 6: classified military programs.

454
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:26,719
Speaker 2: And by the way, like go down that well for

455
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 2: a second, Like it's a very strong I cannot this person.

456
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 3: In Mexico.

457
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,440
Speaker 2: I was like, if he's at the Zoro ran me too.

458
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 2: Go again, I mean again, six degrees of Epstein is

459
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 2: really what the game should be with me. But again,

460
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 2: it's very very serious they're saying, again, a national security

461
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:47,679
Speaker 2: risk because he holds so much key information in his

462
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:51,399
Speaker 2: head that it's dangerous. And does that maybe put his

463
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 2: life in peril? Is he being has he been taken

464
00:24:55,240 --> 00:25:00,239
Speaker 2: by someone within or to to harm him because of

465
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 2: these secrets he's carrying, Right, that's kind of the implication

466
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 2: or the fear.

467
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 9: Well.

468
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,400
Speaker 6: Donald Trump, the President of the United States of America,

469
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,439
Speaker 6: just recently said that he was going to release like

470
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 6: these UFO related files just like last maybe two weeks ago.

471
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 6: And I always got the biggest expert in the military

472
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 6: on these fats and the UFO goes missing. It's just listen,

473
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 6: this is like a scab, Like once you start picking

474
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 6: at it, you can't stop picking at it. So I'm like,

475
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:31,880
Speaker 6: you're like, let's go down this rabbit hole. I'm like, girl,

476
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 6: I cannot because I will never get out of this

477
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 6: rabbit hole. But yeah, he served for decades in the

478
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,879
Speaker 6: US Air Force, and he later became the commander of

479
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:44,880
Speaker 6: the Air Force Research Laboratory at Wright Patterson Air Force Base,

480
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:49,880
Speaker 6: and he oversaw two point two billion dollars in Air

481
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 6: Force programs plus another two point two in externally funded research.

482
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:59,159
Speaker 6: And he was doing like space exploration research and like

483
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 6: space weapons and you know, like all these crazy space

484
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:07,640
Speaker 6: programs as well as all these UFO things, right Patterson

485
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 6: Air Force Base, you know, at housed Project blue Book,

486
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 6: which you know, back in the Cold War era.

487
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 3: Uh, was fueling.

488
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:19,120
Speaker 6: Speculation about you know, I mean every everything that we

489
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 6: you know, know.

490
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 3: About us today. Right, Oh my gosh.

491
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:24,719
Speaker 9: So uh.

492
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 6: He also held Pentagon roles at the Pentagon, you guys, like,

493
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 6: this is a massive guy. This is like a big guy.

494
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,679
Speaker 6: He he held Pentagon roles as the Director of the

495
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:42,160
Speaker 6: Space Acquisition and Director of Special Programs under the Office

496
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 6: of the Secretary of Defense. So again, this is no schlub, right.

497
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 2: No, it surprised me that there was no I don't know,

498
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 2: security for him if in fact, all of these secrets

499
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 2: are so serious, right, and I would imagine they are.

500
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 2: We have been saying this for a while, almost as

501
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 2: an inside true crime tonight giggle of Oh my goodness,

502
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 2: the world's gone so crazy if I start hearing about UFOs,

503
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,479
Speaker 2: like we were talking about syops and things that are

504
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 2: did Like, yeah, they were saying this many months ago,

505
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 2: you know, to ourselves that boy, that's what we're going

506
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:20,640
Speaker 2: to hear next is oh, the UFO finally disclosure. Then

507
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 2: we saw that premiere of a movie trailer called literally disclosure, right,

508
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 2: so here we go the predictive programming.

509
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 3: Again.

510
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 2: I'm only reading all of this stuff, so I'm saying

511
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 2: these words, but I don't even know what I believe

512
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 2: in this case. But allegedly this is how they start

513
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 2: solo launching sort of the idea of disclosure from another

514
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:47,400
Speaker 2: another planet or aliens, etc. Then Barack Obama was doing

515
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:51,199
Speaker 2: an interview a podcast or something and was blatantly asked

516
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 2: about UFOs and he certainly didn't deny the existence.

517
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,880
Speaker 3: And then suddenly I was like, oh, here we go.

518
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 2: Q the as soon as the Epstein final dropped, It's like, okay,

519
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 2: tier one, we got to start soft launching the UFO stick.

520
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,400
Speaker 2: And then again Trump comes out with it. Now this guy,

521
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,439
Speaker 2: I bet you, this guy is the one guy that

522
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 2: can say that it's not true and that if we

523
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 2: start hearing about in UFO disclosure in the coming days

524
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 2: or weeks, because I do think that's my prediction as

525
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 2: a non psychic, My non psychic prediction is that this

526
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:27,919
Speaker 2: is the.

527
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 3: Next thing that we're going to hear.

528
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 2: It's the drones that we were seeing being soft tested

529
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,360
Speaker 2: in New Jersey Newark a year and a half ago.

530
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:37,919
Speaker 2: I think we're going to see an uptick of that,

531
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 2: as I'm not saying, I fear that we're going to

532
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 2: see an uptick of this because of all the craziness

533
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 2: happening in so many other places that our attention could

534
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 2: be diverted.

535
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 3: Right, Well, he's go ahead.

536
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 4: Oh, I was going to say on the Barack Obama front, which, yeah,

537
00:28:54,720 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 4: the timing was insane, especially given the context. But I

538
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 4: will say he did clarify it was a rapid fire,

539
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 4: you know, Q and A on a podcast, and obviously

540
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 4: it went hugely viral. No coincidences, but you know, yes,

541
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 4: what he did say was that basically he's he said

542
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 4: they're real, referring to the statistical likelihood.

543
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 3: And he did.

544
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 2: Further say that he did not have any proof or

545
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 2: that he didn't think they were at Roswell per se,

546
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 2: you know, or that they weren't where we thought or

547
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 2: we've been suggesting.

548
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just think it's a convenient, like.

549
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 2: Hey, let's just throw another huge piece of disclosure out us,

550
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 2: as if like the Epstein files were all still like

551
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 2: in the Washing machine of that. Still nothing actionable happening.

552
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 2: So much war is happening everywhere, it's hard to track it.

553
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 6: We're all like freaked out. Go ahead, body, Yes, this

554
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 6: is what I'm trying to get out here. So he's

555
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 6: currently the director of technology, this guy that's missing, he's

556
00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 6: currently the director of technology at Applied Technology Associates. Okay,

557
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 6: and they focus and they're by the way, they're a

558
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 6: blue halo company. Keep that in mind just for future,

559
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 6: because I think we're going to be talking about this

560
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 6: in the future. And they are based out of Albuquerque,

561
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 6: and they specialize in defense and industrial applications and they

562
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 6: provide you know, research on laser communication and uh, ground

563
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 6: based directed energy weapons.

564
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 3: Now listen, listen.

565
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 6: I don't know on I don't know. I don't know

566
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 6: what's going on here. But he's the director of technology

567
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 6: for this company. And we're like kind of in this

568
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 6: pseudo war right now.

569
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,479
Speaker 3: It's yeah, yeah, the pseudo war.

570
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 2: According to the President today, it's almost over, thankfully, so

571
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 2: we can all rest assured. However, if it is not,

572
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 2: you can't tell me that that's not an interesting coincidence.

573
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 6: You just it's invisible. It's an interesting one. And it

574
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 6: could be just a coincidence, right, but I don't know.

575
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 6: It's very, very weird to me. It's weird that it's

576
00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 6: not on the news.

577
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 8: Rights no, start getting a lot of news coverage, Like

578
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 8: someone knew that.

579
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 2: Nancy Guthrie, Savannah's mother, we're still looking for the whole

580
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 2: world has been looking for her. And this man who

581
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 2: holds so many secrets, it's not even a blip. There's

582
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 2: not even mentioned on the Today Show.

583
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 3: Really quick.

584
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 6: If you have any information, please text eight four seven

585
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 6: four one one or call the Missing s per Person's

586
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 6: Unit at one five oh five four six eight seven

587
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 6: oh seven.

588
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 3: Oh and we hope he gets found soon. Amen.

589
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 2: Just as Courtney and Body and I came on the air,

590
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 2: I see like a light bulb went off.

591
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 3: Above little Body's head.

592
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 2: What were you just thinking you'd literally had like a

593
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 2: breakthrough thought real time?

594
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 3: Not to put you on my spot. Yeah, No, I'm

595
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 3: not comfortable saying yet because I still need you're connecting dots.

596
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 3: I can see I am connecting dots, and I think

597
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 3: they could be big, yes, in relation to the missing general. Yeah,

598
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 3: like I said, this new gab that I just I

599
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 3: can't pick I just I need time.

600
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 2: But wait, this missing general has a family. They're not

601
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 2: on the news. Why are we not seeing his breeving

602
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 2: family begging for them to be for him to be found.

603
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 2: Why would somebody of such stature be wandering in any

604
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 2: way without their watch with their telephone in the New

605
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 2: Mexico desert, in a New Mexico desert. Right, So again

606
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 2: back to the New Mexico. Right, So the New Mexico.

607
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 2: I say, that is just there's so much folklore around

608
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 2: New Mexico. You know Ro's body, you know this, You

609
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 2: could explain this. Adam knows this. Come on, Adam jump

610
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 2: in Philos, Mexico. Yes, exactly?

611
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 3: Is that no area fifty ones in Rachel Nevada or

612
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 3: I don't know about it. Yeah, that's a body's favorite place.

613
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 2: She wants to go there, like on a trip, she

614
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 2: wants to do a field trip there.

615
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 3: Yeah.

616
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 6: But there's also like the big laboratory in New Mexico, right,

617
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 6: that that I kind of find interesting.

618
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 3: And then also of course the Zoro Ranch.

619
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,479
Speaker 2: The Zoro Ranch, which again the probe has been opened

620
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 2: in the Epstein Zoro Ranch where allegedly two bodies may

621
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 2: be buried. You know, the lead there, which is becoming

622
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 2: less and less crazy talk as more and more physicians,

623
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 2: including one of Epstein's ex girlfriends, for example, she was

624
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 2: working at Sears of Mount Sinai Hospital as a really

625
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 2: reputable physician. They're all being called into question now, and

626
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 2: it seems as though some kind of doctoring or experiments

627
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 2: or some sort of something was doing in Zoro Ranch.

628
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 2: There's actually photographs of you know, girls with their faces

629
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 2: redacted having a procedure done on Epstein's desk. In one case,

630
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 2: it's just some stitches because it looks like slipped and fall.

631
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 2: She slipped and fell, and okay, we'll give you that.

632
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 2: But then there's this like there's like a little web

633
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 2: of physicians, non dentists that he either is home growing

634
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 2: and personally making sure that they were educated. All of

635
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 2: his girlfriends were doctors. The girlfriend that currently has all

636
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 2: of his money, that all of his money was left

637
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 2: to I'm paraphrasing by like one hundred million.

638
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 3: Dollars a lot of money. She was put through dental school.

639
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 2: First, she got rejected, right then he got her in,

640
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 2: like the basically paid her into Colombia. She graduated from Colombia,

641
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 2: she got her dental degree and was performing dental things.

642
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 2: They were also ordering a lot of teeth and because

643
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 2: they were practicing. Yeah, and then we remember that dentist

644
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 2: chair that we saw at the actual waylands, surrounded by

645
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 2: those weird masks. Remember to remind me at some point

646
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 2: this week to come back to those masks. But again,

647
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 2: his earlier girlfriend. When I say his meaning Jeffrey Epstein,

648
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 2: I won't even say her name, but she married very

649
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 2: wealthy also in the web. And again fancy physician who's

650
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 2: carrying cancer, who was buds with Epstein until the bitter end,

651
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 2: knowing full well what he had been accused of, and

652
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 2: certainly what he had been A cute who's been accused

653
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 2: of by so many victims even since his two thousand

654
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 2: and eight you know arrest.

655
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 3: Interesting. I don't know what that means.

656
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 2: But he was surrounded by doctors and academia and that Bill.

657
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 3: Gates nasty business. All right, Well, do you guys want

658
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 3: to work talk about le's do it?

659
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 2: Oh my god, ladies, this is Jada and Suslana.

660
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 5: Listen.

661
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,280
Speaker 3: Body said it perfectly. How do you know you're getting

662
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 3: closer If you don't know, you don't know what you're doing.

663
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 3: Oh my god, how do we find.

664
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 9: Ben Lawden so many years ago and we can't find

665
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 9: freaking Nancy Dubbery today?

666
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 3: This sets me tremendously love you by.

667
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 2: It's so were you with us just now during the

668
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 2: commercial break? I'm like, the amount of things that are

669
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,399
Speaker 2: happening in the world right now with such precision and

670
00:35:56,440 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 2: targeted et cetera. Right, how are we not aware of

671
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 2: Nancy Caurier?

672
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:04,800
Speaker 3: Did she have a career like Ben Laden?

673
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 6: Because like, that's impossible, It's impossible, It is impossible. But yeah,

674
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 6: how do you know you're getting closer if you don't

675
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 6: know anything? Like and again, we don't know what they know, right,

676
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 6: we don't know what the police know. So but on

677
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 6: the surface, if I'm you know, because I'm very critical

678
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 6: when I watched the news, and I you know, and

679
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 6: I believe devil is in the details, like one hundred percent.

680
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 3: I believe that. And listen, I don't think they really

681
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 3: know much, Okay, I just don't. And how do you

682
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 3: know you're you're getting closer if you don't know, Like,

683
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 3: if you think you're getting closer than you absolutely have

684
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 3: a suspect in mind or an idea of a suspect,

685
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 3: you know.

686
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 7: What I mean.

687
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 3: True, I don't know, that's crazy. True.

688
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 2: Even the fact that Savannah Guthrie is back, you know,

689
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 2: to the Today Show. How difficult that must have been, right,

690
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 2: So you know she's back to New York and is

691
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 2: obviously not in New Mexico living and breathing this around

692
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,720
Speaker 2: the clock. You know, like so many people even listening

693
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 2: right now, how do you go back to life when

694
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 2: you know there's this like open ended scenario. It just

695
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 2: must be so terrible. And you know, I feel like

696
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:12,720
Speaker 2: she was very brave today.

697
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 8: Yeah, And I also think I was just going to

698
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 8: say with this case, they haven't been handling it in

699
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 8: the best way to me.

700
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 7: Like, you know, wasn't there a moment where.

701
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 8: The yellow tape was people knew there were a lot

702
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 8: of gloves that were found that.

703
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, the scene was released way too early in my opinion.

704
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 7: Yeah, this scene.

705
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:31,240
Speaker 3: Was released within twenty four hours.

706
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 2: Even the footage like, I don't know, I'm again, I'm

707
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 2: not I've turned again. Everything seems like a conspiracy as

708
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 2: it comes out of my mouth. But you know, there

709
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 2: were such big clues, right, So we had Nancy, there

710
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 2: was you know, we had a slight timeline, right, just

711
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 2: based on her watch. Obviously there's the bloodstains that were

712
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 2: very specific. They seemed more like droplets, So maybe she

713
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 2: was paused there for that, like it happened there, correct,

714
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 2: and like maybe she like what was happening while she

715
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:03,720
Speaker 2: was zitting the front door. Perhaps the next camera footage,

716
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 2: we have a guy with a mask on, like right

717
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 2: out of the Scariest movie Anyone, talking with a gun

718
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 2: around his neck and a glove like.

719
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 3: These are very big. You keep saying neck. You you

720
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 3: keep saying neck. You've said neck for like a monment.

721
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 3: Now it looks like it's around his waist.

722
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 2: No, it is, but it like it kind of like

723
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,720
Speaker 2: it looks like it's like like a long change.

724
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 6: Do you say, oh maybe, yeah, maybe that's just something

725
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 6: I just didn't notice.

726
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 3: But Jada, we love you. That was Jada. I love

727
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,439
Speaker 3: your passion. Like that was entertaining to me. But yeah,

728
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 3: you do. They found bin laden from the courier. Yeah,

729
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 3: and you know that.

730
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 6: By the way, that's a fascinating story. I don't know

731
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:48,399
Speaker 6: if you guys know that, but we can get into

732
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 6: that later.

733
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 3: But it's that I know that as much I am

734
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 3: obsessed with the CIA, dude, the women that found been

735
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 3: lots so good indible. I did, but I was too old.

736
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 3: Once I realized I wanted to be in it.

737
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 6: But there's a documentary on HBO called Manhunt and it

738
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,959
Speaker 6: describes these women in the CIA and how they found

739
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 6: in Laden and yeah.

740
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:13,720
Speaker 3: Dude, it's so good. To tell me a little teaser.

741
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 6: Well, they study, you know, each woman has basically a

742
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 6: sect of you know, al Qaeda that they were studying,

743
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 6: and they noticed this one name kept popping up and

744
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 6: they realized it was the courier because they were they

745
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 6: were basically delivering messages from the Iraq version of al Kaeda,

746
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:39,879
Speaker 6: which then became ISIS and the Afghanistan leaders. And this

747
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 6: person was delivering messages and they just started following him

748
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 6: and that led to the compound. Anyway, No, it's fascinating,

749
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 6: really yeah, yeah, watch it on HBO. It's called Manhunt.

750
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 6: It is fascinating. It is so going to totally do that.

751
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 6: And I don't know about these women, I want to

752
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 6: say all.

753
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 3: I'm embarrassed to say that. And so.

754
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 6: These women their analysts you know, in uh, the CIA,

755
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 6: and they were warning their management team and above and

756
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 6: you know about al Qaeda and then of course, you know,

757
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 6: we had nine eleven and that you know, they they

758
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:19,439
Speaker 6: took a beating for it, and the story goes and

759
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 6: you know, okay, now we got to find ben Laden

760
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 6: and they spent a lot of time, a lot of

761
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 6: bloods went in. Two years went into that, and you know,

762
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 6: they had the bombing in at the base and one

763
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 6: of them died.

764
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:33,320
Speaker 3: One of the women, one of the analysts these analyzing.

765
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:37,240
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, she set up a meeting with a doctor

766
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,720
Speaker 10: who said that, you know, because ben Laden had kidney

767
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 10: problems and so obviously at points he would need to

768
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 10: get treatment.

769
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 3: Right.

770
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 6: Well, there was this doctor that lived in Jordan that

771
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:49,479
Speaker 6: said he was the guy doing it, and she was like, okay,

772
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:53,280
Speaker 6: I'm coming to meet you and he blew up the base. Anyway,

773
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:55,439
Speaker 6: please watch it. It's very good.

774
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 3: This was the most interesting side.

775
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 2: Imagine right now, are you Nicole Kidman in this movie

776
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 2: The Lioness, you guys watch if you guys watch the

777
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 2: movie zero Dark thirty.

778
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 3: Have you ever seen that? Yes, of course.

779
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,280
Speaker 2: And by the way, we I've interviewed so many Navy

780
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 2: seals or you know, I said, it's so accurate.

781
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 3: Like that is well, so the woman in that movie

782
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:22,879
Speaker 3: the redhead. I can't remember her name.

783
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 6: She's so good, but she is a combination of Yeah,

784
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 6: she's a combination of those women that I'm talking about.

785
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, that's really interesting.

786
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 2: By the way, I was like obsessed with Navy Seals

787
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 2: for a hot second project about Navy seals because the

788
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 2: commitment and the like family together and they are like

789
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 2: the wildest stories that they have of real heroism and

790
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 2: the commitment.

791
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,879
Speaker 3: And they all said, like what.

792
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 2: We do for a living, you know, it's never really

793
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 2: done correctly in Hollywood, you know, so Tom, except for

794
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:01,479
Speaker 2: they say they have all said dark zero dark thirty.

795
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 2: Zero dark thirty is very accurate.

796
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 4: I actually saw that the day before and I and

797
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 4: I knew because it was planned when I.

798
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 3: Was giving birth. I saw the day before.

799
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:18,359
Speaker 2: It's a very odd choice child was born zero dark thirty. Well,

800
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 2: because a new theater had opened up and it had

801
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 2: cozy set that reclined.

802
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 3: I mean, they.

803
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 6: Obviously took Liberty's in the movie to make it entertaining

804
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 6: and whatnot.

805
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,280
Speaker 3: But it's fairly accurate.

806
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 6: In the sense that you know, this woman who's in

807
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 6: the movie, I can't again, Courtney, you just said her name.

808
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 3: But okay, great.

809
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 6: I love she is a representative of a collective of women.

810
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 3: In you know.

811
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 6: And and then and another thing too. There's a book

812
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 6: written by Ali Sufan. I don't know if you know

813
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,320
Speaker 6: who he is, but he's one of the FBI guys

814
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 6: who spoke Arabic and was able to interroge anyway I

815
00:42:56,360 --> 00:43:01,760
Speaker 6: can go into this for like the whole podcast, I'm.

816
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 3: Down on board. And by the way, it's a nar

817
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 3: ethers right now.

818
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 2: And again, I guess we're even as we're talking about

819
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 2: something even military related. We know an eighth you know

820
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,879
Speaker 2: soldier has been identified.

821
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 3: You look at their sweet beautiful photos.

822
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 2: Babies, and you know, talk of a draft all the

823
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 2: scariest of things. But for everybody listening, who's you know,

824
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 2: loved ones or are serving us, and they're so brave

825
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 2: and strong, we are so sending love and rooting and

826
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 2: getting with iHeart to figure out is there something that

827
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 2: we can be doing to help better support the troops.

828
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 2: And maybe there's an initiative or something we can tap into.

829
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:41,879
Speaker 2: If anybody knows any ideas, we'd love to hear them.

830
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 3: And I'm sorry for going off on a tangent that

831
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 3: was so satisfa that tangent. I don't want to talk

832
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 3: about anything else.

833
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 7: But that, honestly, that they can do some kind of well.

834
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 3: So that's the thing.

835
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 6: You have the front facing you have the in the

836
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 6: ci You had the front facing spies right that are

837
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 6: in the country, and then you have the animal lists

838
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 6: that are like feeding them the information that they need

839
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,359
Speaker 6: to go do their job. So they work hand in hand,

840
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 6: but that's also an adversarial relationship at times.

841
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,839
Speaker 3: And they're usually men and the analysts are women.

842
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 7: Wasn't that interesting? Women are usually analysts like more detailed.

843
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 3: Gus were smarter than you.

844
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 7: Guys were smarter, and that's probably it.

845
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 3: Yes, you guys got the brawn, we got the brains.

846
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 3: I'm teasing. I'm teasing. I'm teasing.

847
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 2: I have a friend whose husband found out my uh,

848
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 2: my friend's husband uh had a dad that wasn't really

849
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 2: around that often. It was kind of a little bit absent,

850
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 2: but like very important. They grew up very successfully. And

851
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 2: on dad's deathbed he finds out his dad was a spy.

852
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 2: And by the way, the mother who was like you know,

853
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 2: knew somewhere deep inside that there was something just not

854
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:54,320
Speaker 2: right that she was scratching at and raising her kids

855
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 2: and moving around and all the things. When he confessed,

856
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,399
Speaker 2: she wanted to kill him right because she was so mad,

857
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 2: like he took her whole life. Imagine being the spouse

858
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 2: of a spy, did you knowing the entire time?

859
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:11,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then he lives show the Americans. Oh, it's

860
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 3: the greatest show of all time. That's my girl. I

861
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 3: love her Russell. They were Russian ties in the eighties

862
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 3: making in America. It is so good. Oh my god,

863
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:23,240
Speaker 3: that's her husband.

864
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 2: That's her real husband who I love. Isn't really she married.

865
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,320
Speaker 2: They met on that show Are You Doing? She is, know,

866
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 2: the best actress the Diplomat is on.

867
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:32,760
Speaker 3: Also.

868
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 2: I love the felicity, her cute, adorable husband, who was

869
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 2: also like Perry Mason on The Perry Mason Show. I'm

870
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 2: like a little bit obsessed with them as like the

871
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 2: coolest wonder. Yeah, they're like low key. She rides a

872
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 2: bicycle to try Becca. She's my JFK Junior and the

873
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 2: Carolyn Bessetta. They're living in Tribeca, giving me fabulous.

874
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Speaker 3: No one knows what they're doing.

875
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Speaker 2: They're very undercover, always working, raising a family.

876
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 3: Friends. In my head. I love that they're so good,

877
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Speaker 3: you would love you've seen it. Yes, I haven't seen

878
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Speaker 3: the Americans.

879
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Speaker 4: I want to because I'm so obsessed with Courtney or

880
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Speaker 4: Diploma is the best music.

881
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's so good, like it's all eighties, you know,

882
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Speaker 3: when love is going on and you know they're Russians,

883
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 3: but they aren't married.

884
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 6: They come to America. They have to get married because

885
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 6: there Russian spies and they have kids, like real kids

886
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Speaker 6: and that are American.

887
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Speaker 3: It is so oh my god. Oh, I'm like jealous

888
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Speaker 3: of myself that I get to started too.

889
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Speaker 6: I'm jealous of you. I always get jealous of people

890
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Speaker 6: who haven't seen my favorite shows yet.

891
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Speaker 3: Yes, no, I get that. Well, stick around.

892
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Speaker 4: We're going to be talking about new details in the

893
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 4: Long Island serial killer case. Prosecutors reveal some really disturbing

894
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 4: searches that are tied to Rex Humerman.

895
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 3: The accused killer.

896
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Speaker 4: Don't forget give us a call anytime, eight at eight

897
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Speaker 4: three one Crime. We'd love to hear your thoughts. Keep

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Speaker 4: it here True Crime Tonight.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here with

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Speaker 2: Courtney Armstrong. Body move in listen if you've missed any

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Speaker 2: of the show. Remember we always are here as a

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Speaker 2: podcast right after, So we're trying to put a little

904
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Speaker 2: joy into everybody's uh day. Mind Courtney, you're on it.

905
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Speaker 2: We do a little dancing in the commercial break. We're

906
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Speaker 2: gonna recommend you do it with us. Maybe we think

907
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Speaker 2: of a theme song or for the whole week, we

908
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Speaker 2: choose a song and during.

909
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Speaker 3: The breaks we all listen to it. You just gotta

910
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Speaker 3: let that energy shake it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we got moving around and.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you guys, we've been seeing a lot of ring

913
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 6: my bell lately.

914
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:06,839
Speaker 2: It's the frequency of abundance. The more you play it,

915
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 2: the more abundant you become. It's a fact checket check

916
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Speaker 2: Google that. By the way, it's not a fact we

917
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 2: were the gun. When it comes to Nancy Guthrie, it

918
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 2: was certainly not as a lanyard. I was really that

919
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 2: his zipper looks like a lanyard, so I thought he

920
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 2: had it on like a string. But it was actually

921
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 2: around his waist, which is equally terrible. It's not placed

922
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:33,240
Speaker 2: in a place that's weird anyway, professional, but it wasn't

923
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 2: on a necklace. So that answer is very little, but

924
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Speaker 2: I'm glad we solved it in your head body and it.

925
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Speaker 3: Is a month an. Why are we wearing a gun necklace?

926
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Speaker 3: We're not. He's not wearing it around his neck.

927
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:48,760
Speaker 7: It's true.

928
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 3: So yeah, like, listen, these are wild times.

929
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Speaker 2: I hope we're all hoping for the Guthrie family that

930
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:58,240
Speaker 2: maybe there's still a happy ending. Maybe there's still some hope.

931
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 2: So we're putting that out there, and let's go to

932
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Speaker 2: a talk back. Oh actually I was born well never mind,

933
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Speaker 2: no talkbacks allowed me.

934
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Speaker 3: He just did the he just did that off with

935
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:11,839
Speaker 3: your head signals. He did.

936
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Speaker 7: Oh no, well we could we didn't actually have any

937
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 7: ready to go.

938
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Speaker 3: But when we do have this, I can't work in

939
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Speaker 3: these conditions. It's crazy, body less. Long Island zerial killer.

940
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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, so let me let me just set the

941
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Speaker 6: table for all of our new listeners on just it.

942
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Speaker 6: We'll just take a minute to bring up to speed

943
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Speaker 6: on the Long Island serial killer. So Rex Huwerman, Okay,

944
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 6: he's this Long Island. He's a former big fancy architect

945
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:39,919
Speaker 6: from Massapeagle Park in New York.

946
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Speaker 3: Right. Well, he's been charged with multiple murders connected to

947
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Speaker 3: the long running investigation known as the Gilgo Beach serial killings. Okay,

948
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Speaker 3: so we're right. So prosecutors are alleging that he murdered

949
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Speaker 3: seven at least seven women between nineteen ninety three and

950
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 3: twenty ten, most of whom were sex workers, and they

951
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 3: advertised online and disappeared after meeting clients. Okay. He is

952
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 3: often referred to as LISK. That's what we call him,

953
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 3: which stands for Long Island serial Killer. So when we

954
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 3: say LISK, we're talking about Rex Uerman. All right, So

955
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:21,360
Speaker 3: here's what happened, and it's kind of crazy. In December

956
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:24,240
Speaker 3: of twenty ten, there was a woman who went missing

957
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 3: in May six months prior, however, many months okay, Suffolk

958
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 3: County police were looking for her. And this guy, this officer,

959
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 3: this clever officer, had just done some training and he

960
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 3: had learned about body dumping and he was like, well,

961
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 3: I'm going to look closer to the roads and see,

962
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 3: you know what, And he found a body.

963
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:48,280
Speaker 6: He was with his dog dog and they found a body.

964
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Speaker 6: While that led them to finding more bodies. In fact,

965
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Speaker 6: they found I think six total, but initially they found four, okay,

966
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Speaker 6: and those are called the Gilgo Beach four.

967
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Speaker 3: All right.

968
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 6: They found six more sets of human remains in the

969
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 6: vicinity of the same area in March and April twenty eleven.

970
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Speaker 6: That started the search for a serial killer. Okay, the

971
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Speaker 6: Long Island serial killer. That started the search for it.

972
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Speaker 6: When you fast forward to July of twenty twenty three,

973
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Speaker 6: now this is what twelve years have gone by this

974
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Speaker 6: since literally to.

975
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Speaker 2: Just imagine to a decade plus of theay priation a

976
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:26,240
Speaker 2: black hole.

977
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Speaker 3: Yep.

978
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Speaker 6: So fast forward to July of twenty twenty three. Rex

979
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Speaker 6: Heureman was arrested and he is suspected of the serial

980
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Speaker 6: killers serial killings.

981
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:38,919
Speaker 3: So that brings up to speed. Now here's going to happen.

982
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 3: That's a good catchup, Okay, good, yes, So it's hard

983
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 3: to like condense that years worth those stuff into like

984
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 3: a anyway.

985
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 6: So back in January, right, the defense for Rex Heureman

986
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 6: filed a motion to suppress several categories above. It's from

987
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:02,359
Speaker 6: the hearing that's come up. Okay, they wanted some cell

988
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 6: phone data that was attained through search warrants, removed email

989
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:11,279
Speaker 6: records prosecutors say were tied to burner phones. They want

990
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 6: that removed a bunch of dif digital evidence from devices

991
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:19,320
Speaker 6: that were seized during the investigation, and like the DNA evidence,

992
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 6: including samples from that discarded pizza, and they want all

993
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 6: that stuff removed because these are all really compelling pieces

994
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 6: of evidence, so they don't want it right. Well, the

995
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 6: prosecutors only had so much time to respond to that,

996
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 6: and they have and through that response, how we relearned

997
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 6: some really really terrible details about what they are alledging

998
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 6: list has on. Okay, so here's some of the things

999
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:49,280
Speaker 6: that they're that they're saying the DA for Suffolk County

1000
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 6: filed uh the he They they're saying Rex contacted sex

1001
00:52:55,600 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 6: workers hundreds of times, he viewed statistic killings of women online,

1002
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 6: like he was looking for snuff.

1003
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 2: Films like snuff movies, Yeah, which should have been a

1004
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 2: flag somewhere, which he was so regularly Like why was

1005
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 2: that not flagged?

1006
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:13,959
Speaker 6: But I I would think, right, Yeah. So they also

1007
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 6: are alleging that Rex contacted at least sixty sex workers

1008
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 6: more than five hundred times good in the Lord in

1009
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 6: the four years leading up to his arrest in twenty

1010
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 6: twenty three. So I guess they only went back to

1011
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 6: like twenty nineteen. I guess, so in the four years

1012
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:36,280
Speaker 6: leading up to his arrest, he contacted sixty sex workers

1013
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 6: more than five hundred times. The filing also states that

1014
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 6: investigators discovered disturbing internet searches. Authorities say he searched for images.

1015
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 6: This is the bat This is like the worst part

1016
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 6: and I haven't bolded in my little summary. Authorities are

1017
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 6: saying that he searched for images of families of the

1018
00:53:57,120 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 6: victims as they were mourning the people he's accused of murdering.

1019
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 6: So he murders a girl and he starts looking for

1020
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 6: their family members online so that he can see the

1021
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:14,439
Speaker 6: suffering that they're going through. That's he's responsibly for, right,

1022
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:18,839
Speaker 6: I mean, that is like Golden State Killer. That is

1023
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 6: like Brian Coburger, you know, because Brian Coberger did these things.

1024
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 6: The gold called his victims, right, you know, Golden.

1025
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 2: State Killer would call his victims in like deep breathe

1026
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:33,800
Speaker 2: and be like, you know, can you imagine.

1027
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 4: And the victims family members after they were deceased call.

1028
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:41,880
Speaker 2: And remember even Rex Humor man this like, you know, again,

1029
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:45,760
Speaker 2: very nicely dressed, who wore a suit every day, although

1030
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:48,320
Speaker 2: he lived in the creepiest house in retrospect in a

1031
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 2: beautiful area Oyster Bay. Yeah, it's such a beautiful massa peak. Wise,

1032
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:58,359
Speaker 2: it's it's a lovely location on Long Island. Their house

1033
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 2: was like the scary, weird munster's.

1034
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 3: House on the block.

1035
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Speaker 6: It was.

1036
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I have friends that have actually shot in

1037
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 2: that house too, because they're still worked on the documentary,

1038
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 2: et cetera. And it is just like a hoarder's nightmare,

1039
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 2: very very dark, very unkept. But Rex, although he was

1040
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 2: also like six thousand feet tall, he's like a big,

1041
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 2: huge man.

1042
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 6: He's like behemoth man, right, like an ogre. That's how

1043
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:26,840
Speaker 6: he was described by one of the scribes from of

1044
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 6: his exactly.

1045
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 3: But you know, he wore a suit to work.

1046
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:31,880
Speaker 2: And he drove, you know, he rode the Long Island Railroad.

1047
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:34,279
Speaker 2: He took his daughter to work with him every day

1048
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 2: after she graduated, and would go into New York City.

1049
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:40,359
Speaker 2: So maybe, out of context of all the things he's

1050
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:42,799
Speaker 2: now been accused of, this was a stand up guy

1051
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 2: who was a member of society. So for him to

1052
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 2: go down and to be the level of depravity and

1053
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 2: the amount of sex workers he was chasing so frequently,

1054
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 2: like I don't even know how you have a job

1055
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 2: and a wife who was standing by him wild go ahead.

1056
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 4: Court, No, absolutely, listen if you're just joining us, this

1057
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 4: is true crime tonight, and we're talking about the Long Island.

1058
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 3: Serial killer case.

1059
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:11,879
Speaker 4: And there was just some court filings that laid out

1060
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 4: details of some of the sadistic searches that Huerman was going.

1061
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 4: You know that he was searching for so one of

1062
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 4: the other things because I was looking at this body

1063
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 4: is of more than a thousand Internet searches. The Seffa

1064
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:32,880
Speaker 4: County Police detectives just said there was simply put clear

1065
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 4: evidence that he displays traits of a sexual sadist and

1066
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 4: gets gratification from physical and psychological suffering of others.

1067
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 3: This isn't a court motion.

1068
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 6: Right well, and I mean it's clear he's looking for

1069
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 6: images of the family members reading he gets something. He

1070
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:53,799
Speaker 6: gets some kind of gratification from watching people suffer. And

1071
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:55,719
Speaker 6: I'm going to go on a limb here and say

1072
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:59,319
Speaker 6: he gets even more gratification knowing that he's responsible for.

1073
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:02,400
Speaker 3: That suffering and that they don't know he exists. You

1074
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:05,839
Speaker 3: know that they're just it's powered him, right, he can

1075
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 3: control the emotions of others.

1076
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:10,280
Speaker 8: Do we know if he the victims like he enjoyed

1077
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 8: seeing the victims suffer too, or like did they prolong

1078
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 8: their deaths or I.

1079
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 3: Mean, we don't know for sure, but I'm going to

1080
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 3: assume based on that list that we know a couple gosh,

1081
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 3: six months ago or so, we covered the list that

1082
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 3: he had made of his preparation murderless and whatnot, his

1083
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 3: checklist and the things that he made his victims do

1084
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 3: and sit on and things like that.

1085
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 7: And I don't want to know.

1086
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 3: It was a dungeon terrible.

1087
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 2: There was an abasement and you know, if you can imagine,

1088
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 2: you know, had an elector or style on the basement

1089
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Speaker 2: of this single story home in a beautiful area, Like

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Speaker 2: I said, was was you know, built out to be

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00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 2: a bit of a portrait chamber for victims. And you

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00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 2: know he has two children, one of them had or

1093
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 2: has you know, some special needs, and a daughter who

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00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 2: loves him very very much much. And you know, these

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00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 2: kids have been through it a lot as well. Can

1096
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 2: you imagine you're living under the same roof as a

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00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 2: potential monster of this level and you know the rug

1098
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 2: is pulled out from underneath you.

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00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 3: His wife has stood by him.

1100
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 2: You know, we all saw her on the documentary where

1101
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 2: it almost seemed like in some way she was kind

1102
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:23,919
Speaker 2: of blaming herself but by standing by him, because.

1103
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 3: She would travel to go visit her.

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00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 2: Family and I coincidence, whenever she seemed to be out

1105
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:31,440
Speaker 2: of town in Iceland, there seemed to be a murder

1106
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 2: of somebody near and around the area. And instead of

1107
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 2: like connecting that dot and maybe she's, you know, a

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00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 2: victim of his as well in some way, like she

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00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 2: would instead almost blame herself, like had she not been

1110
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 2: out of town visiting her family, her husband therefore would

1111
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 2: not have been accused of crime, right, Like it's so

1112
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 2: far fetched.

1113
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:00,840
Speaker 3: Instead of saying my husband, like this wow.

1114
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 2: Or like this evidence is hard to dispute, or you know,

1115
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:06,440
Speaker 2: maybe I'll look at it a little differently, like how

1116
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:08,440
Speaker 2: do you do the math on that? The math is

1117
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 2: not mathing on this case. And she stood by him,

1118
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:15,920
Speaker 2: I mean pretty blatantly. I have to assume if.

1119
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 3: She was revisited today, that the tides may change on that.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, I mean that documentary, So they have divorce,

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00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 4: they have divorced, but again they you know, she really

1122
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 4: though it.

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00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 2: Kind of divorced him, I think to maybe secure assets.

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00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 2: I would assume also because she was paid some money

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00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 2: to do that documentary probably made that the case. I'm

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00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 2: inferring that we should ask our lawyer, we should ask

1127
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 2: Jarrett Farantino or any of our next legal stars.

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Speaker 3: But curious, but she really was devoted. But that was

1129
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 3: probably two years ago now, right right.

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Speaker 4: What we're referring to is The Peacocks here is It

1131
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 4: came out in twenty twenty five, and it's the Gilgo

1132
00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 4: Beach Killer House of Secrets, and there you can definitely

1133
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 4: see the wife, I mean, kind of mooning over her

1134
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 4: husband and their talks.

1135
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Speaker 3: While he's in prison. No, I think.

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01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 2: She had because it was it aired in twenty twenty five,

1137
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 2: so they probably shot at a year prior, so it's

1138
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:16,800
Speaker 2: been a little time. And yeah, the daughter probably is

1139
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 2: second guessing thing.

1140
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:19,760
Speaker 3: I think she's coming to terms.

1141
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 6: She talked to btk's daughter, Carrie's right, and I think

1142
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 6: there's been some kind of eye opening conversations, you know what.

1143
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 6: I yeah, But there's more, you guys, there's more to

1144
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 6: this too. He was the prosecutors are are all They

1145
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:38,160
Speaker 6: also revealed through this motion or this response to the motion,

1146
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:43,480
Speaker 6: that Rex was making reoccurring payments to tender and he

1147
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 6: was going under the names Andrew Roberts and Thomas Hawk

1148
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 6: to conduct searches. The filing again was submitted as prosecutors

1149
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 6: met this court order deadline to respond to the defense

1150
01:00:57,240 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 6: motion to suppress key evidence that I had talked about earlier.

1151
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 6: They're now focused on heavily on two phones that they

1152
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:09,479
Speaker 6: say Rex used primarily to contact these sex workers. One

1153
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 6: device allegedly communicated with fifty six sex workers more than

1154
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 6: three hundred times between January of twenty twenty one in

1155
01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:25,440
Speaker 6: March of twenty twenty two, and another phone remained active

1156
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 6: until February of twenty twenty three and contacted sixty one

1157
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:33,840
Speaker 6: similar kind of sex workers more than two hundred and

1158
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Speaker 6: twenty two times.

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01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:36,200
Speaker 7: Wow.

1160
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:40,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, hows are saying that location data also shows that

1161
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 6: those phones frequently traveled with him and was also in

1162
01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:48,040
Speaker 6: his real name, like he didn't there wasn't a Burger phone.

1163
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:50,320
Speaker 3: He didn't even try to hide it at that point.

1164
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:52,440
Speaker 6: So I think it's I think by twenty twenty one,

1165
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:53,960
Speaker 6: I think he was pretty cocky.

1166
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 3: Right, he had gotten away with it for right, you know, right, right.

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Speaker 6: Now we have to present both sides, and I just

1168
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:04,160
Speaker 6: want to say very quickly because we only have a

1169
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:08,160
Speaker 6: minute that his defense attorney, Michael J. Brown, Rex's defense attorney,

1170
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:11,680
Speaker 6: Liscu's defense attorney said that he has not fully reviewed

1171
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 6: the filing and he declined a comment, and rex Huerman

1172
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:18,959
Speaker 6: has pled not guilty to all the charges. There's going

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01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:22,480
Speaker 6: to be a hearing March seventeenth, Saint Patrick's Day, my

1174
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:23,040
Speaker 6: favorite day.

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01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:26,840
Speaker 3: Of the whole year. To make it so the judge rules, Yeah,

1176
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 3: the judge will be ruling on these motions, like is

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01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:31,720
Speaker 3: this evidence going to be submitted? You know what's going

1178
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 3: to happen.

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Speaker 6: We're going to find out on March seventeenth, and the

1180
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:39,800
Speaker 6: trial to start the like the actual trial is expected

1181
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 6: to start shortly after Labor Day. And one hundred percent

1182
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:44,160
Speaker 6: we're going to be covering it here because it is

1183
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:44,680
Speaker 6: not going to.

1184
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 2: Be televised absoluutely. We should have the documentary people on too.

1185
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:49,840
Speaker 3: Let's do it.

1186
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:53,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely keep it here because after the break there's

1187
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:58,320
Speaker 4: newly released Jeffrey Epstein documents and they raise some explosive

1188
01:02:58,440 --> 01:02:59,320
Speaker 4: new questions.

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Speaker 3: You've been here a True Crime Tonight. We're talking true

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01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:02,840
Speaker 3: crime all the time.

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01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:15,960
Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here with

1193
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:21,440
Speaker 2: Courtney Armstrong and body move in.

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Speaker 3: Let's go to a talk back.

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Speaker 9: Hey chicas, this is be in Northern Nevada and I'm

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01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:29,640
Speaker 9: calling to just say thank you very much for keeping

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01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:33,080
Speaker 9: the human in all of everything that you guys talk about.

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Speaker 9: You make me realize that there are really some good, decent,

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01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:40,800
Speaker 9: kind people that are out there. And I love your

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Speaker 9: outlook and make me see the side of both sides.

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Speaker 3: I'm literally speechless.

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01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I know that's terrible for like a talk show,

1203
01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:52,280
Speaker 6: but I'm literally speechless.

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Speaker 3: That is so kind. No, thank you so much. Well,

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01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:59,320
Speaker 3: I mean these are real, you know, whether it's a

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01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:04,439
Speaker 3: a victim of a sexual assault or you know, sex

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01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:08,000
Speaker 3: trafficking or a murder or kidnapping. I mean, these are

1208
01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:11,880
Speaker 3: all very very real people, right, and you have to

1209
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:15,280
Speaker 3: talk about these stories with empathy and you also it's

1210
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 3: so crazy because you take it on a lot yourself too,

1211
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:21,600
Speaker 3: Like I think I got to bed thinking about these people,

1212
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:24,160
Speaker 3: and it's sometimes it times a little too much.

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Speaker 2: Of course, of course we sometimes talk about it too,

1214
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:30,960
Speaker 2: like how do you make a true crime show during

1215
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:34,280
Speaker 2: a time that there's so much heaviness in the world

1216
01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:37,440
Speaker 2: that we're not adding, right, So, like I find true

1217
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:41,360
Speaker 2: crime personally this is speaking only from myself that like

1218
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:43,880
Speaker 2: it helps me organize in my head a little bit.

1219
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:47,880
Speaker 2: So even if the world seems extra and I can't

1220
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:51,440
Speaker 2: totally make sense of these big picture things, or frankly,

1221
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:54,440
Speaker 2: even in our own personal life, it's sometimes when you

1222
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:57,240
Speaker 2: look at another case and you see the humanity in it,

1223
01:04:57,240 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 2: it's allowing I can kind of organize through it a

1224
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 2: little bit. It allows me to feel things that maybe

1225
01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:05,440
Speaker 2: I can't really feel in my own word, you know

1226
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:08,840
Speaker 2: what I mean. Like it's I find it cathartic, I guess,

1227
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:13,520
Speaker 2: and inspiring when people push through such tough situations.

1228
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:15,840
Speaker 3: But we question it ourselves, like how.

1229
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:19,120
Speaker 2: Do we make sure we're putting out good and at

1230
01:05:19,120 --> 01:05:22,000
Speaker 2: the same time really in talking about important things that

1231
01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:23,240
Speaker 2: on its nose are.

1232
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Speaker 3: Really really bad.

1233
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:29,080
Speaker 4: Right, someone's worst day, Right, it's everyone, you know, it's

1234
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:32,960
Speaker 4: in everyone's story. It is someone's worst day. Absolutely, But

1235
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Speaker 4: I think it's also the importance of you know, the

1236
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:38,680
Speaker 4: Alexander brothers who we talked about at the top of

1237
01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:42,400
Speaker 4: the show. Those guys they are now guilty. They will

1238
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:46,000
Speaker 4: be behind bars, and it is only because victims came forward,

1239
01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:49,240
Speaker 4: and that is important to talk about because then more

1240
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:50,240
Speaker 4: people come forward.

1241
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:50,880
Speaker 3: So true.

1242
01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:54,120
Speaker 4: And also we can see people just because you're rich

1243
01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:57,120
Speaker 4: and privileged and got away with things for twenty years,

1244
01:05:57,280 --> 01:05:58,640
Speaker 4: that buck can stop.

1245
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:01,080
Speaker 2: And isn't it kind of feel like there is a

1246
01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:03,520
Speaker 2: little shift And maybe I'm just feeling it into my

1247
01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:07,280
Speaker 2: own world. I don't know, like it says it used

1248
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:09,720
Speaker 2: to be coming up, like you're like, well, one day

1249
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:11,800
Speaker 2: I'm going to be rich, and then when I'm rich,

1250
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:14,080
Speaker 2: we're gonna all these great things are going to happen,

1251
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:16,880
Speaker 2: and like that was sort of the dream, or at

1252
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:19,280
Speaker 2: least that was this somewhere you know, even as a

1253
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:22,600
Speaker 2: little little girl, and it really is true, Like it's

1254
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:26,600
Speaker 2: not real, Like all that money, none of it makes

1255
01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:31,000
Speaker 2: anybody better. Necessarily, it makes the worse worse. And I

1256
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 2: think we're seeing sort of this class break where there's

1257
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Speaker 2: whether it's the Epstein files or people that are so

1258
01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:41,640
Speaker 2: so privileged that seem to have gotten just an easier,

1259
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:45,760
Speaker 2: lawless run of it that like the rest of us,

1260
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:48,880
Speaker 2: the rest of us normies who have maybe tried to

1261
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:52,440
Speaker 2: like chase that somewhere like the gig is up, like

1262
01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:54,320
Speaker 2: that is not the happier life number one.

1263
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:57,040
Speaker 3: Let that be known. So it's not even to aspire to.

1264
01:06:57,680 --> 01:07:00,240
Speaker 2: But also more importantly, like I don't think that that's

1265
01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:03,160
Speaker 2: flying anymore. I feel like we see the elite class

1266
01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:06,480
Speaker 2: for a little bit of what it is, and I

1267
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:09,200
Speaker 2: don't know what the answer from there is, but I,

1268
01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:12,160
Speaker 2: for one, feel.

1269
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:12,360
Speaker 3: Like, you know, we are.

1270
01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:14,920
Speaker 2: I don't know, I feel like we're entering a closer

1271
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:18,000
Speaker 2: together stage even in these confusing times.

1272
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Speaker 3: I hope you're right. I really do, I honestly do.

1273
01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:24,440
Speaker 2: But again, that's the where I'm looking up and not

1274
01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:26,440
Speaker 2: you know, people, we need to stop looking to our

1275
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:27,959
Speaker 2: left and our right and sort of.

1276
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:29,520
Speaker 3: Ohh it's those guys.

1277
01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:32,400
Speaker 2: It's the that color, it's that race, it's this religion,

1278
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:34,600
Speaker 2: it's that, the this. It's like, that's the plan is

1279
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:38,520
Speaker 2: having everybody find amongst themselves. That's you know, that's the

1280
01:07:38,560 --> 01:07:42,040
Speaker 2: reality show. If we all actually just like didn't do

1281
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:44,880
Speaker 2: that and just looked up, I feel like we're all

1282
01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:48,080
Speaker 2: getting played otherwise. So anyway, I think the true crime

1283
01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:49,800
Speaker 2: stuff allows us to kind of look at some of

1284
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:55,440
Speaker 2: these big categories and in retrospect to somebody else's stuff, like,

1285
01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:59,439
Speaker 2: we can learn a lot, right.

1286
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Speaker 7: Go to another one.

1287
01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:02,280
Speaker 3: Let's do a tapa.

1288
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:06,040
Speaker 11: Okay, Hi, this is Marissa from Maryland. I had a

1289
01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 11: quick thought about how long Queen Elizabeth stayed in power.

1290
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:12,600
Speaker 3: Do you think she stayed so.

1291
01:08:12,680 --> 01:08:15,919
Speaker 11: Long because she wanted to protect Andrew? I always thought

1292
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:18,400
Speaker 11: it weird and kind of selfish that she stayed so

1293
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:21,720
Speaker 11: long such that Charles would not have much time to

1294
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:25,519
Speaker 11: be king. I mean, he's he's so much older, and

1295
01:08:25,560 --> 01:08:27,600
Speaker 11: I thought he would have had more time. Moret of

1296
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:28,640
Speaker 11: your thoughts.

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Speaker 3: We should call my mom and Betty on speed dial. Yeah,

1298
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:38,280
Speaker 3: I actually I have spoken to Betty my mom about this.

1299
01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:41,800
Speaker 3: Of course, are you really? Absolutely?

1300
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Speaker 4: And I think it's very interesting because you know, Queen Elizabeth,

1301
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Speaker 4: it is no secret she did protect Andrew, who was

1302
01:08:49,280 --> 01:08:52,120
Speaker 4: kind of her favorite boy.

1303
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Speaker 3: She spoiled him.

1304
01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:57,400
Speaker 4: She spoiled him from a boy to a man.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I think about royal family, they're.

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Speaker 2: All entitled, because again they're living in a little special bubble.

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Speaker 2: And if we're talking about entitlement, if we're looking at

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Speaker 2: the Alexander brothers, all of the above, Andrew would fall

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Speaker 2: into that same category of wildly entitled and therefore they

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Speaker 2: know no boundary potentially.

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Speaker 8: Well, I didn't know a lot about the monarch, Like

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Speaker 8: I didn't know there was an option to like say

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Speaker 8: like I don't want to do this anymore, I can

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Speaker 8: step down, Like is that I didn't either With the queen,

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Speaker 8: I thought you want to have to watch for starters.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, but he abdicated the uncle or the original king

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Speaker 6: abdicated the throne, like he was shonned for that.

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Speaker 3: Because it's a little.

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Speaker 4: Bit with Prince Harry, I was going to say he

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Speaker 4: was also shunned for for having an affair with Yeah,

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Speaker 4: so that's true, that's fair.

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Speaker 6: I mean, but if you're a queen, maybe maybe one

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Speaker 6: of our listeners can let us know that live, you know,

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Speaker 6: in the in the United Kingdom. Can the queen just

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Speaker 6: be like I don't want to do it anymore. I'm

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Speaker 6: getting into a.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't really can pass on that she can.

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Speaker 2: I think it's really great strategy question. I think strategically,

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Speaker 2: and again this is something that we're just like hearing

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Speaker 2: from a distance, not knowing the royal family.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, Queen Elizabeth was calling the shots.

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Speaker 2: Charles was always considered for a hot moment it posts

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Speaker 2: Princess Diana's death and then him getting with his now

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Speaker 2: beautiful wife, and they seem like they have a really

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Speaker 2: good thing going, you know, God bless But that was

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Speaker 2: sort of the scandal of the moment, was the Charles

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Speaker 2: and Diana of it all. So it always seemed like

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Speaker 2: Queen Elizabeth kind of held on to her throne because

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Speaker 2: that was the messy thing unbeknown to anybody that you know, Andrews,

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Speaker 2: you know, Shenanigan's over here, and to your point, and

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Speaker 2: certainly to our caller's point, did she sort of know

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Speaker 2: that that was under the surface.

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Speaker 3: We definitely know that some money was.

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Speaker 2: Given to pay off one of the victims in the

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Speaker 2: civil lawsuit, and that likely came from the Queen, whether

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Speaker 2: she knew it or not, which is kind of hard

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Speaker 2: to hear. So this is not necessarily a big secret.

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Speaker 2: It was probably an open secret and one held very closely.

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Speaker 3: Is the assertion who knows?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like there's so much going on

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Speaker 2: behind closed there's doors there too. Fergie is like crouchsurfing

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Speaker 2: in New York City apparently, and is being kicked out

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Speaker 2: of the social class that she again, this is I've

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Speaker 2: read this and this is not from a source, This

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Speaker 2: is just me repeating what I've read, but that she's

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Speaker 2: in New York City and staying with friends but doesn't

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Speaker 2: have an official residence.

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Speaker 3: And remember she back in the day had a talk show.

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Speaker 3: Ta you remember that.

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Speaker 2: A lot of our old buzz she did like a

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Speaker 2: talk show. And like when we were working at the

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Speaker 2: Sally Jesse Rafael show, a lot of the then staff

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Speaker 2: on the summer break went and did the pilot for

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Speaker 2: Fergie and it was like a big deal. And so

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Speaker 2: I kind of remember those days. Remember she was like

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Speaker 2: the king of weight Watchers, and she was like zach Watchers.

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Speaker 3: She was making money.

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Speaker 2: Days too, and she had that toet sucking scandal. Also

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Speaker 2: back in the day, you know, she was like the

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Speaker 2: American Royal, Like she was sort of like the messy.

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Speaker 3: Royal McDonald's royal.

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Speaker 2: Right, McDonald's Royal sor it's exactly McDonald's royale.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, wee wee yeah.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, when you see it in black

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Speaker 2: and white, when she's in the Epstein files literally talking

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Speaker 2: about paying off her assistant, we're talking about fifteen thousand dollars. Listen,

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Speaker 2: for the rest of us, normally it's fifteen thousand dollars.

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Speaker 2: It's a ton of money you think for the royals. Really, Fergie,

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Speaker 2: you can't get fifteen thousand dollars from a job or

1380
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Speaker 2: the many jobs you've had has weight Watchers not paid

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Speaker 2: you anything.

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Speaker 3: It's so strange.

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Speaker 2: You're like hitting up Jeffrey Epstein, a known pedophile, to

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Speaker 2: pay off your debt to your assistant.

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Speaker 3: It's wellird.

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Speaker 4: That is actually a good segue. And if you're just

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Speaker 4: joining us, this is true crime tonight. And we got

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Speaker 4: a talk back from a listener who had a question

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Speaker 4: about the royal family and that led us to the

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Speaker 4: Epstein files. And now in fact, we have an update.

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Speaker 4: So the US Prevision Justice well.

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Speaker 3: Knock it out.

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Speaker 4: Like the Department of Justice released previously withheld FBI interview

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Speaker 4: summaries from the Jeffrey Epstein's sex trafficking investigation.

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Speaker 3: So what this includes, and this has.

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Speaker 4: Been sort of percolating the news for a while, It

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Speaker 4: includes an unnamed woman's allegation that President Donald Trump sectually

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Speaker 4: assaulted her when she was a minor. And this release

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Speaker 4: comes out after journalists noticed that the documents were missing

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Speaker 4: from the first batch of the Epstein files that remained public,

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Speaker 4: and these records originated from the federal probe into Epstein

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Speaker 4: and his associate Gilaine Maxwell, now serving time as a

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01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:06,320
Speaker 4: convicted sex offender, and the FBI agents interviewed the woman

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Speaker 4: multiple times. I believe it was four four times. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: four times, And conveniently the notes the FBI interviewed her

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Speaker 4: yeah four times. Wow.

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Speaker 2: And an FBI agent has since said real time that

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01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:27,599
Speaker 2: an FBI agent would not have interviewed anybody four times

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01:14:27,640 --> 01:14:30,920
Speaker 2: if there wasn't something substantial there, and that ultimately she

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Speaker 2: withdrew the charges.

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Speaker 3: Oh, she did.

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Speaker 4: She did at the end because she said, I keep

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01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:40,679
Speaker 4: on talking to you about this and nothing's happening, jumping

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Speaker 4: to the end of it. But yeah, so this anonymous accuser,

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Speaker 4: her claims were that Jeffrey Epstein introduced her to Donald

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Speaker 4: Trump back in the eighties. She was a teenager at

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Speaker 4: the time, and her allegations is that both men abused her.

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Speaker 4: Very important to note these claims do you remain on

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Speaker 4: corroborated and have been denied by President Trump as well

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Speaker 4: as the White House.

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Speaker 7: Wow.

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Speaker 4: So conveniently, DOJ officials said the records had been Oh,

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Speaker 4: it's mistakenly withheld because they were it was an incorrectly coded.

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Speaker 3: We thought it was a duplicate.

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Speaker 4: It was not, because reporters who are analyzing the files

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Speaker 4: say at least thirty seven pages of related material are

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Speaker 4: still missing, and this includes the underlying FBI interview notes

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Speaker 4: and internal communications surrounding this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and they had done a deep dive too. I

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Speaker 2: believe it was the Miami Herald who identified that that

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Speaker 2: victim actually was Yest. It was a real person and

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Speaker 2: it's not just a made up story, and that that person.

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Speaker 3: Exists and this is their story.

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Speaker 2: Whether you know that's ever brought to question formally remains

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01:15:57,439 --> 01:15:59,880
Speaker 2: to be seen. It does seem like the DOJ is

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Speaker 2: under fire, and you know, Pam Bondi is going to

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01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:06,800
Speaker 2: have to appear before the House Oversight Committee to really

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01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:10,760
Speaker 2: speak to why this messy release, Like what could possibly

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01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:16,599
Speaker 2: if we're able to do such strategic things so far

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Speaker 2: away in such a major way. How's redactions in the

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01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:24,240
Speaker 2: release of emails? You know, in the big scheme of things,

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01:16:24,600 --> 01:16:29,080
Speaker 2: although hyper sensitive information, it's paper with black on it, right,

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01:16:29,200 --> 01:16:33,080
Speaker 2: So think about the sophistication that this country is capable

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Speaker 2: of and what we do on a daily and like

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01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:36,840
Speaker 2: just to be able to get these files in a

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01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:40,400
Speaker 2: timely manner when there's been a law saying that it

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01:16:40,479 --> 01:16:43,280
Speaker 2: had to be done and that it would be And

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01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:47,400
Speaker 2: still to this moment, we still do not have a

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01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:52,519
Speaker 2: all of the files. Admittedly publicly they've agreed. Oh yes,

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01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:55,080
Speaker 2: some disappeared. Oh wait here they are again. Oh wait

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01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:59,000
Speaker 2: here they are with new redactions. It's just been a mess.

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01:16:59,080 --> 01:17:02,360
Speaker 2: They're not in chronicle logical order. There's no context, and

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01:17:02,439 --> 01:17:06,640
Speaker 2: there's no information about why the redactions. Remember that was

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01:17:06,680 --> 01:17:09,559
Speaker 2: a really big ask even before the new year, that

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01:17:09,720 --> 01:17:13,640
Speaker 2: all of the redactions would be specified, like why this

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01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:15,400
Speaker 2: particular like it almost like a footnote.

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Speaker 3: It was a mandate.

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01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:19,080
Speaker 4: It wasn't an asked, It was a mandate as part

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Speaker 4: of the app by Congress.

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Speaker 2: Correct, which is, yeah, it's been very little and I

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Speaker 2: guess that's the scary like where is the checks and

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01:17:29,240 --> 01:17:32,880
Speaker 2: balance if if this is a nothing, which I think

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Speaker 2: we can agree it is not a nothing, it's a

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01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:39,919
Speaker 2: very big something that is really getting It's again, nobody's

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01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:40,840
Speaker 2: really talking.

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Speaker 3: About it as much.

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Speaker 2: Right there are some key people that are set to

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01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:47,840
Speaker 2: go before the House Oversight Committee. The last we've talked

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Speaker 2: about it in a meaningful way is really when Bill

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Speaker 2: Clinton and Hillary took the hot seat, there hasn't been

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Speaker 2: much conversation since then. Obviously we've got Christy Nome has

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Speaker 2: been removed from her seat, but Pam has a lot

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Speaker 2: to say and is she going to be called to

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Speaker 2: the carpet. Well, we're Leon Black. We just even touched

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Speaker 2: on him for a moment. You know, we talk about,

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01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:14,439
Speaker 2: you know, talking to themselves. Where are all of the

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Speaker 2: people that are meant to actually just bring some light

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Speaker 2: to the dark.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and why is it all happening in other countries

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01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:25,960
Speaker 6: that there's getting something you made things like that? Nothing exactly,

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01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:30,639
Speaker 6: it's a live We're not talking it seriously or something.

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Speaker 3: Well, everybody's at five countries.

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Speaker 6: Well, stick around, We've got a lot more to dig into.

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Speaker 6: Your reactions are pouring in.

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Speaker 3: We're opening up the talk backs and hearing what you

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Speaker 3: think about the cases we've been covering. Keep e r

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Speaker 3: here a True Crime Tonight. We're on five nights a week.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight and iHeart video. We're

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Speaker 2: talking true crime all the time. Steph here with Courtney

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Speaker 2: and Boddy And where has the Nike on yet again?

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Speaker 3: It seems to have blown by. I don't even know

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01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:09,879
Speaker 3: how that's possible.

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01:19:09,920 --> 01:19:13,599
Speaker 2: I know we talked about Love Story last night.

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Speaker 3: I'm a little bit of a one trick pony. You

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01:19:15,680 --> 01:19:17,160
Speaker 3: guys have to just watch it. Just for this.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to dancing in the break to eighties music

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Speaker 2: and it's so satisfying. Did we just listen to Ran?

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Speaker 3: It was great? Yeah, we were singing what was the

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Speaker 3: other song that I love? Damn wish I wish I

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Speaker 3: was you just had it on? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeahs oh, Sophie Hawkins, such a good one. All right, Well,

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Speaker 2: moving on to a tough back.

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Speaker 12: Hi, true crime friends. A couple of things about the

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01:19:50,840 --> 01:19:54,679
Speaker 12: Corey Richards trial. I'm surprised that you didn't say anything

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01:19:54,720 --> 01:19:57,679
Speaker 12: about when the boyfriend was being sworn in and he said,

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Speaker 12: what do you mean by the whole truth? When they

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Speaker 12: I said, do you swear to tell the truth?

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Speaker 7: The whole truth? And he was like, what what do

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Speaker 7: you mean by the whole truth?

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Speaker 12: Also pretty sure he said that she broke up with him,

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01:20:07,479 --> 01:20:09,960
Speaker 12: and then after she was arrested and he saw that

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01:20:10,040 --> 01:20:13,200
Speaker 12: he went to the dead husband's sister instead of the cops. Anyway,

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Speaker 12: love you all bye.

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Speaker 3: I missed that, but you know what.

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Speaker 6: So here's here's what I thought. I did actually mention

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Speaker 6: when he was getting sworn in. But here's what happens. Okay,

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Speaker 6: So a little behind the scenes. Yes, every day we

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Speaker 6: get together and go over the cases that we want

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Speaker 6: to talk about that evening and I was telling everybody

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01:20:30,840 --> 01:20:33,439
Speaker 6: on a little phone call pre show about the what

1521
01:20:33,439 --> 01:20:36,559
Speaker 6: happened today and Mary Richinson's child. And I had mentioned

1522
01:20:36,760 --> 01:20:38,599
Speaker 6: that when he had gotten sworn in, and it gave

1523
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:42,000
Speaker 6: me like, sobeign citizen vibes? Do you remember that time exactly?

1524
01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:47,200
Speaker 3: You did? I remember what you said?

1525
01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:50,400
Speaker 6: So when we get to the show, you know, okay,

1526
01:20:50,439 --> 01:20:53,160
Speaker 6: three two one live, I get so nervous. I blow out,

1527
01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:59,280
Speaker 6: like I mean, like every single night. So for whatever reason,

1528
01:20:59,320 --> 01:21:00,800
Speaker 6: I had it in my head that I had already

1529
01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:02,680
Speaker 6: said that do you know what I mean about he

1530
01:21:02,920 --> 01:21:05,280
Speaker 6: was swearing in? Because it was such a weird moment.

1531
01:21:05,720 --> 01:21:07,599
Speaker 3: So let's unpack it.

1532
01:21:07,680 --> 01:21:11,439
Speaker 2: So this is the boyfriend who is that she was married,

1533
01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:14,160
Speaker 2: and you know, she had had a couple of strange

1534
01:21:14,160 --> 01:21:16,960
Speaker 2: convos with him about like their commitment to each other.

1535
01:21:17,320 --> 01:21:21,120
Speaker 2: And you know, there they were, you know, to two

1536
01:21:21,240 --> 01:21:24,840
Speaker 2: kids in love with a lot of heavy circumstances.

1537
01:21:25,640 --> 01:21:28,400
Speaker 3: So yeah, he goes in and he says this to

1538
01:21:28,479 --> 01:21:31,840
Speaker 3: the judge, what did you mean? How did you interpret that? Yeah?

1539
01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:34,920
Speaker 3: I got the impression that he just didn't understand what

1540
01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:38,240
Speaker 3: that meant at first. Well, at first what I thought

1541
01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:40,760
Speaker 3: was is he trying to pull some kind of you

1542
01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:44,759
Speaker 3: don't have authority over me SI citizen kind of situation.

1543
01:21:45,200 --> 01:21:47,120
Speaker 3: But he kept asking for clarification.

1544
01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:52,759
Speaker 7: It was just everybody didn't understand afterwards.

1545
01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:55,639
Speaker 6: He didn't understand court process because at the same time

1546
01:21:56,200 --> 01:21:57,760
Speaker 6: when they went to break he was like, I just

1547
01:21:57,800 --> 01:21:59,160
Speaker 6: have something I want to say.

1548
01:21:59,280 --> 01:22:02,880
Speaker 3: He just didn't. He's very like kiled blike god, do

1549
01:22:02,920 --> 01:22:03,400
Speaker 3: you know what I mean?

1550
01:22:03,479 --> 01:22:06,280
Speaker 2: Has he never watched like Matlock or Law in Order

1551
01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:07,880
Speaker 2: or it was gonna lost?

1552
01:22:07,960 --> 01:22:08,519
Speaker 7: See you?

1553
01:22:09,080 --> 01:22:12,840
Speaker 3: Come on? I guess guy Matlock? What are you ninety?

1554
01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:16,679
Speaker 3: Literally typing in when did it air? When it went

1555
01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:21,160
Speaker 3: off the air in nineteen ninety two, I was but

1556
01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:23,720
Speaker 3: can I tell you I love my Angela Landsberry too?

1557
01:22:24,080 --> 01:22:27,280
Speaker 3: Come out? Did you watch you try to get in

1558
01:22:27,280 --> 01:22:29,240
Speaker 3: front of my bike? I'm going to go solve a

1559
01:22:29,280 --> 01:22:32,200
Speaker 3: crime right now with your name's written all over it.

1560
01:22:33,200 --> 01:22:35,920
Speaker 2: I love my Angela Landsberry and I love, my my

1561
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:38,480
Speaker 2: matlock and my equalizer?

1562
01:22:39,680 --> 01:22:43,400
Speaker 7: What equalized? Now you're getting equalizers?

1563
01:22:43,479 --> 01:22:46,360
Speaker 3: Watching like Leave It to Be. I was like it

1564
01:22:46,439 --> 01:22:48,519
Speaker 3: was on in the background. I had older brothers. But

1565
01:22:48,720 --> 01:22:49,080
Speaker 3: you know.

1566
01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:57,280
Speaker 7: There's a version of this question. Oh yeah, it's good.

1567
01:22:57,360 --> 01:22:57,800
Speaker 1: So good.

1568
01:22:59,160 --> 01:23:05,680
Speaker 2: She wasn't any yes what and she's like the female version. Man,

1569
01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:11,439
Speaker 2: It's like it's just it's oddly really good. But also

1570
01:23:11,479 --> 01:23:13,519
Speaker 2: it's just exactly what you would imagine it to be.

1571
01:23:13,560 --> 01:23:17,400
Speaker 2: There's like something fishy happening every episode, and somehow she

1572
01:23:17,479 --> 01:23:19,680
Speaker 2: gets to the bottom of it, and you know, it's

1573
01:23:19,760 --> 01:23:23,400
Speaker 2: Kathy Bates, who's the best. I wouldn't say it's like

1574
01:23:23,439 --> 01:23:25,800
Speaker 2: appointment TV, but I like it when it's on.

1575
01:23:26,920 --> 01:23:28,160
Speaker 3: Oh what disappointment you mean?

1576
01:23:28,479 --> 01:23:31,680
Speaker 2: Like appointment is like I have in my head a

1577
01:23:31,720 --> 01:23:34,200
Speaker 2: couple of times a day that I like to watch

1578
01:23:34,240 --> 01:23:34,960
Speaker 2: certain things.

1579
01:23:35,040 --> 01:23:37,360
Speaker 3: And I do have that time, like an appointment.

1580
01:23:38,680 --> 01:23:41,400
Speaker 7: I have to watch my shows that you.

1581
01:23:41,439 --> 01:23:44,519
Speaker 2: Have to watch your stories, my stories, yes, like right

1582
01:23:44,560 --> 01:23:47,479
Speaker 2: after school growing up, it was like the soaps. Yeah,

1583
01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:49,960
Speaker 2: like I had to catch my soaps. You know, all

1584
01:23:51,320 --> 01:23:54,400
Speaker 2: I don't have cable. I don't cable cable, but it's

1585
01:23:54,640 --> 01:23:55,599
Speaker 2: to get YouTube TV.

1586
01:23:56,160 --> 01:23:57,679
Speaker 3: I'm going to get you TV.

1587
01:23:58,120 --> 01:24:01,040
Speaker 7: I think it's so you can just stream miss Yeah.

1588
01:24:01,640 --> 01:24:05,320
Speaker 3: Do you have streamers? I have Netflix, I have Hulu.

1589
01:24:05,439 --> 01:24:08,160
Speaker 3: I have Investigation Discovery. It's on Hulu.

1590
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:11,040
Speaker 2: Okay, there you go. For some reason, I have like

1591
01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:13,800
Speaker 2: ninety thousand channels. I don't even know why I have

1592
01:24:13,880 --> 01:24:15,880
Speaker 2: so many channels, but I have the TV on literally

1593
01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:16,479
Speaker 2: twenty four hours.

1594
01:24:16,840 --> 01:24:21,120
Speaker 3: What best road needs a channel? My heart needs It's true.

1595
01:24:21,479 --> 01:24:23,400
Speaker 6: Let's make this haundle know we will be the first

1596
01:24:23,400 --> 01:24:25,879
Speaker 6: show we could air it on the streaming service.

1597
01:24:25,960 --> 01:24:29,040
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I just made them so big ideas.

1598
01:24:29,200 --> 01:24:30,400
Speaker 7: A good idea.

1599
01:24:31,360 --> 01:24:32,519
Speaker 3: We don't have to wear fa cup.

1600
01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:37,080
Speaker 4: Okay, we need brush our hair, makeup.

1601
01:24:38,160 --> 01:24:38,720
Speaker 7: We have make up.

1602
01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:40,960
Speaker 3: We have to we get wardrobe. What goes on here?

1603
01:24:41,080 --> 01:24:42,919
Speaker 3: We have our hoodies. We do have wardrobe.

1604
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:47,719
Speaker 8: Yeah, we got some stylish hoodies exactly. Speaking of which,

1605
01:24:47,840 --> 01:24:49,280
Speaker 8: we got to talk back about them.

1606
01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:50,040
Speaker 3: Let's do it.

1607
01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:54,320
Speaker 5: Hi, I have teen is haighly commings from Australia. You

1608
01:24:54,479 --> 01:24:57,600
Speaker 5: awesomest guys. I will be in New York on the

1609
01:24:57,680 --> 01:25:03,599
Speaker 5: sixteenth as much my husband celebrating out thirtieth wedding at

1610
01:25:03,640 --> 01:25:06,599
Speaker 5: Breakfast Activities, and we'll be there for about a week.

1611
01:25:06,840 --> 01:25:09,760
Speaker 5: I would love so much be able to spread the

1612
01:25:09,800 --> 01:25:13,520
Speaker 5: words across Australia. Is one of your sloppies?

1613
01:25:13,680 --> 01:25:15,040
Speaker 3: That would be all she is.

1614
01:25:15,520 --> 01:25:16,720
Speaker 5: You're great, thank you.

1615
01:25:17,680 --> 01:25:18,759
Speaker 3: We have to figure out.

1616
01:25:20,439 --> 01:25:23,439
Speaker 8: Over the sloppy with Sam and I have been trying

1617
01:25:23,479 --> 01:25:25,439
Speaker 8: to figure out. Do any of you know is that

1618
01:25:25,479 --> 01:25:29,040
Speaker 8: an Australian sweat Yes? Do you know this term? I've

1619
01:25:29,040 --> 01:25:30,000
Speaker 8: never heard that in my life.

1620
01:25:30,920 --> 01:25:33,840
Speaker 2: I think it's My interpretation has always been that a

1621
01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:37,400
Speaker 2: sloppy is like a sweatsuit forever in sloppy, like I'm

1622
01:25:37,439 --> 01:25:39,240
Speaker 2: going to the grocery store and a sloppy I would

1623
01:25:39,240 --> 01:25:40,639
Speaker 2: be the worst movie star.

1624
01:25:40,760 --> 01:25:44,400
Speaker 6: Because that I'm sized start it.

1625
01:25:44,840 --> 01:25:46,920
Speaker 3: So listen, Hailey, we have to figure out a way

1626
01:25:46,920 --> 01:25:48,760
Speaker 3: to get her something. We have to coordinate this with

1627
01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:54,360
Speaker 3: a special with Ata. We can deliver this. What is

1628
01:25:54,360 --> 01:25:57,680
Speaker 3: there any way Haley? She could she could email us,

1629
01:25:58,160 --> 01:25:59,519
Speaker 3: want to come here and get it.

1630
01:26:00,040 --> 01:26:02,040
Speaker 7: I've got an idea already. You're gonna love this.

1631
01:26:02,160 --> 01:26:05,479
Speaker 8: We'll send it to Ava who's in New York, and

1632
01:26:05,600 --> 01:26:08,639
Speaker 8: when she's in New York, they can coordinate maybe meet

1633
01:26:08,680 --> 01:26:10,000
Speaker 8: her breakfast tifany.

1634
01:26:10,080 --> 01:26:13,080
Speaker 6: My heart headquarters, or maybe maybe we can just send

1635
01:26:13,080 --> 01:26:15,240
Speaker 6: it to the hotel, hotel, and I mean hotel.

1636
01:26:15,280 --> 01:26:19,880
Speaker 7: She's staying at there waiting. There's going to be away

1637
01:26:20,160 --> 01:26:21,840
Speaker 7: rolled to the back of her head when she How can.

1638
01:26:21,720 --> 01:26:23,120
Speaker 3: Haley email us? What's her email?

1639
01:26:23,560 --> 01:26:25,360
Speaker 7: I don't even know I have email.

1640
01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:28,320
Speaker 8: I've got her email, so we can reach out to

1641
01:26:28,360 --> 01:26:31,320
Speaker 8: her and we'll find out where she's staying. And if

1642
01:26:31,320 --> 01:26:33,479
Speaker 8: it's time is a essence and we can't get it

1643
01:26:33,479 --> 01:26:35,040
Speaker 8: there in time, We've got a plan.

1644
01:26:35,120 --> 01:26:36,599
Speaker 7: B I know people New York get it there.

1645
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:39,000
Speaker 3: I want to make sure that this is like watching

1646
01:26:39,080 --> 01:26:41,639
Speaker 3: Jason right now. I want to make sure Haley gets

1647
01:26:41,640 --> 01:26:42,200
Speaker 3: taken care of.

1648
01:26:42,560 --> 01:26:45,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, we love Haley. She's a sweetheart.

1649
01:26:45,080 --> 01:26:49,120
Speaker 6: And yeah in Australia, this is her only opportunity.

1650
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:53,840
Speaker 4: And I'm married for thirty years. You should either congratulations.

1651
01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:57,200
Speaker 3: That's a lot to make sure it happens thirty years.

1652
01:26:57,240 --> 01:26:58,120
Speaker 3: What's the secret?

1653
01:26:58,160 --> 01:27:00,200
Speaker 2: We want to hear all of your marriage tips in

1654
01:27:00,280 --> 01:27:01,360
Speaker 2: your happiness you.

1655
01:27:01,320 --> 01:27:03,519
Speaker 6: Know what I have a I have I'm gonna bet

1656
01:27:03,560 --> 01:27:07,840
Speaker 6: you guys five dollars which I have on my deskper here,

1657
01:27:09,160 --> 01:27:11,800
Speaker 6: that their secret is separate bedrooms.

1658
01:27:12,520 --> 01:27:14,160
Speaker 3: That's true. That is probably true.

1659
01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:15,920
Speaker 2: By the way, I think if we pull up a

1660
01:27:15,960 --> 01:27:20,000
Speaker 2: stat right now. I think there's something to this because

1661
01:27:20,240 --> 01:27:22,880
Speaker 2: sleep is so precious. But I don't you like to

1662
01:27:22,920 --> 01:27:25,559
Speaker 2: cuddle though, isn't cuddling the wall. I here's something I think.

1663
01:27:25,680 --> 01:27:29,200
Speaker 2: I think like the best I think in those situations. Obviously,

1664
01:27:29,240 --> 01:27:32,200
Speaker 2: the spouse is welcome, you know, to stay in another room.

1665
01:27:32,240 --> 01:27:34,240
Speaker 2: But sometimes you just want to watch TV and like

1666
01:27:34,320 --> 01:27:36,400
Speaker 2: eat chips in bed and you know what I mean,

1667
01:27:36,479 --> 01:27:40,920
Speaker 2: and saying chips with you or like fun, that's a

1668
01:27:41,000 --> 01:27:41,719
Speaker 2: different party.

1669
01:27:41,880 --> 01:27:44,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, if they want to be straight.

1670
01:27:44,200 --> 01:27:47,880
Speaker 6: To sleep, that's not weird. Your house wants to go

1671
01:27:48,080 --> 01:27:50,120
Speaker 6: to sleep and you're watching Love Story and you don't

1672
01:27:50,120 --> 01:27:52,559
Speaker 6: want to end. You got to go to your room

1673
01:27:52,560 --> 01:27:54,000
Speaker 6: and watch it exactly.

1674
01:27:54,439 --> 01:28:00,679
Speaker 4: That's what That's what goes out in my bedroom, reading

1675
01:28:00,720 --> 01:28:03,080
Speaker 4: books and watching TV with headphones on.

1676
01:28:07,720 --> 01:28:09,519
Speaker 3: You know, I never remember to plug them in. I

1677
01:28:09,560 --> 01:28:09,880
Speaker 3: have been.

1678
01:28:10,600 --> 01:28:14,360
Speaker 4: I've been gifted many sets, but I use the wired kind.

1679
01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:18,719
Speaker 3: If I'm watching like a Fraser or something. Yeah, Courtney watching,

1680
01:28:19,600 --> 01:28:20,800
Speaker 3: I know you think I'm mad.

1681
01:28:21,520 --> 01:28:22,160
Speaker 7: You should.

1682
01:28:24,560 --> 01:28:27,439
Speaker 3: She was just Fraser on Loop. You know, I don't

1683
01:28:27,439 --> 01:28:29,960
Speaker 3: think I've ever seen an episode of Watch.

1684
01:28:29,960 --> 01:28:32,439
Speaker 8: Because if you miss something you fall asleep. You're not

1685
01:28:32,479 --> 01:28:34,439
Speaker 8: gonna like get upset about it, like it's one of

1686
01:28:34,439 --> 01:28:35,000
Speaker 8: those things.

1687
01:28:35,000 --> 01:28:35,280
Speaker 3: True.

1688
01:28:35,360 --> 01:28:39,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, the same way nothing changes either. My Missy,

1689
01:28:39,280 --> 01:28:42,200
Speaker 2: my Melissa Egan, she's still on twenty five years. She's

1690
01:28:42,200 --> 01:28:44,439
Speaker 2: been on the same soap, you know, like my soaps. Yeah,

1691
01:28:44,560 --> 01:28:45,320
Speaker 2: they don't wa.

1692
01:28:46,160 --> 01:28:48,479
Speaker 6: I watched Star Trek Deep Space nine. It's my comfort

1693
01:28:48,520 --> 01:28:50,559
Speaker 6: It is one hundred percent of my comfort show. I

1694
01:28:50,600 --> 01:28:52,840
Speaker 6: know exactly what's going to happen. So when I fall asleep,

1695
01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:53,519
Speaker 6: I'm not upset.

1696
01:28:53,960 --> 01:28:55,800
Speaker 7: I wasn't watching the new one because of you, the

1697
01:28:55,800 --> 01:28:56,679
Speaker 7: New Star Trek.

1698
01:28:56,920 --> 01:29:01,599
Speaker 3: Jenny Wood, the love We should look at people.

1699
01:29:01,680 --> 01:29:03,559
Speaker 2: It's like such a good tell if you look at

1700
01:29:03,600 --> 01:29:07,479
Speaker 2: somebody's search, you know, their their TV streaming history, like

1701
01:29:07,520 --> 01:29:10,240
Speaker 2: what are you watching kind of a thing, and get a.

1702
01:29:10,320 --> 01:29:12,400
Speaker 3: Sense of that and then you're like, hey, can I

1703
01:29:12,400 --> 01:29:14,640
Speaker 3: see your phone? And you get their algorithm.

1704
01:29:14,240 --> 01:29:20,240
Speaker 8: No killers and like sweaters, like like what is this person?

1705
01:29:20,760 --> 01:29:21,040
Speaker 13: You have?

1706
01:29:21,120 --> 01:29:26,479
Speaker 6: Niceweaters though, that is your time, Heylee, thank you for

1707
01:29:26,520 --> 01:29:26,960
Speaker 6: the talk back.

1708
01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:28,040
Speaker 3: Do we have time for another one?

1709
01:29:28,200 --> 01:29:30,000
Speaker 8: I definitely want to get to this one, you guys

1710
01:29:30,439 --> 01:29:31,800
Speaker 8: number one hit that one.

1711
01:29:32,120 --> 01:29:32,320
Speaker 7: Hi.

1712
01:29:32,400 --> 01:29:35,800
Speaker 13: The solution for Mississippi to continue the subtle Phone tag

1713
01:29:35,880 --> 01:29:37,200
Speaker 13: that me and body have going on.

1714
01:29:37,520 --> 01:29:38,759
Speaker 7: I fix states.

1715
01:29:38,880 --> 01:29:41,639
Speaker 13: So I've already done all the research, and I'm yes

1716
01:29:41,680 --> 01:29:45,240
Speaker 13: getting a resin printer. And yes I do have thimbles,

1717
01:29:45,280 --> 01:29:47,439
Speaker 13: but I don't like wearing them, so I don't use them.

1718
01:29:47,520 --> 01:29:49,839
Speaker 13: So I just meddle for the little tiny battle wounds.

1719
01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:53,040
Speaker 13: And I have a question for Stephanie. When Billy Wagner's

1720
01:29:53,080 --> 01:29:56,719
Speaker 13: trial finally gets a set date, will you and Courtney

1721
01:29:56,760 --> 01:29:58,960
Speaker 13: be traveling back out there to see the trial.

1722
01:30:01,720 --> 01:30:03,960
Speaker 3: I love this. This is like a little you guys.

1723
01:30:04,200 --> 01:30:05,680
Speaker 3: This is the conversation.

1724
01:30:08,040 --> 01:30:10,519
Speaker 2: Wait till we all meet in person? How going to

1725
01:30:10,560 --> 01:30:12,320
Speaker 2: the show? The kitchen table conversation.

1726
01:30:12,840 --> 01:30:15,280
Speaker 3: I love it so much. It makes me so good.

1727
01:30:15,360 --> 01:30:17,120
Speaker 3: Job on the resident. But you also need to get

1728
01:30:17,160 --> 01:30:21,080
Speaker 3: an FtM printer. But anyway, what's a printer? That's a

1729
01:30:21,120 --> 01:30:27,280
Speaker 3: plastic PRINTERY just collapsed. Yes, Billy Wagner, Yes we will.

1730
01:30:27,760 --> 01:30:29,160
Speaker 3: Uh the trial was supposed to happen.

1731
01:30:29,240 --> 01:30:31,280
Speaker 2: There's been a lot of ongoing following it.

1732
01:30:31,280 --> 01:30:33,920
Speaker 3: Closely. We will be doing the podcast.

1733
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:36,200
Speaker 2: Quartney and I have already started it and we have

1734
01:30:36,720 --> 01:30:47,000
Speaker 2: you know, precious precious nuggets. You're okay, whatever you do

1735
01:30:47,000 --> 01:30:50,240
Speaker 2: doing toil the body and but the trial has.

1736
01:30:50,120 --> 01:30:52,760
Speaker 3: Not been set yet, so the date has not been set.

1737
01:30:52,840 --> 01:30:56,559
Speaker 2: So it is an odd one though, And listen, this

1738
01:30:56,600 --> 01:30:58,120
Speaker 2: is one of those cases that it's close to the

1739
01:30:58,120 --> 01:31:00,519
Speaker 2: heart and I know on in some way it's almost

1740
01:31:00,520 --> 01:31:03,479
Speaker 2: like we all kind of want to just go away

1741
01:31:03,520 --> 01:31:06,680
Speaker 2: from it. But he's Billy Wagner claims he has like

1742
01:31:06,800 --> 01:31:09,640
Speaker 2: another surprise ending.

1743
01:31:10,120 --> 01:31:13,560
Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you. I have my hand raised, like

1744
01:31:13,880 --> 01:31:16,160
Speaker 3: you are so good. Let me tell you something.

1745
01:31:16,600 --> 01:31:19,439
Speaker 6: I you guys have been following for so long and

1746
01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:22,479
Speaker 6: so closely, and you've gotten close to the case. I

1747
01:31:22,640 --> 01:31:27,439
Speaker 6: feel like if you don't go, you're gonna regret it,

1748
01:31:27,479 --> 01:31:28,400
Speaker 6: because we'll go.

1749
01:31:28,920 --> 01:31:31,519
Speaker 3: You need to see it through, right, like you need

1750
01:31:31,560 --> 01:31:32,240
Speaker 3: to see it through.

1751
01:31:32,880 --> 01:31:36,599
Speaker 6: Billy Wagner is the last peg in the hole, right, yes, yes, yes,

1752
01:31:36,640 --> 01:31:39,720
Speaker 6: And if you don't go, I think you're gonna regret it.

1753
01:31:39,880 --> 01:31:40,320
Speaker 3: I couldn't.

1754
01:31:41,439 --> 01:31:44,280
Speaker 2: Courtney agrees, right like, So we're starting here when we

1755
01:31:44,280 --> 01:31:46,200
Speaker 2: have you know, Whitney, we have like it's a beloved

1756
01:31:46,320 --> 01:31:49,479
Speaker 2: part of our history, even just as a company and

1757
01:31:49,520 --> 01:31:52,760
Speaker 2: as friends like we've had and we love so many

1758
01:31:52,840 --> 01:31:55,720
Speaker 2: people there, and it's really piped in an extraordinary place

1759
01:31:55,760 --> 01:31:58,760
Speaker 2: because they really have pushed on. Right, so this is

1760
01:31:58,800 --> 01:32:02,480
Speaker 2: gonna suck everybody back into what could be new beginnings.

1761
01:32:03,800 --> 01:32:06,599
Speaker 2: And maybe that's sort of kind of what it will

1762
01:32:06,640 --> 01:32:09,280
Speaker 2: all shake out to sound like. But all that to

1763
01:32:09,320 --> 01:32:10,880
Speaker 2: be said, Billy says he has a whole new tale

1764
01:32:10,880 --> 01:32:14,599
Speaker 2: to tell, and oh really, yeah, We'll all say, like,

1765
01:32:14,960 --> 01:32:17,280
Speaker 2: there's never been a story that we've heard that Billy's

1766
01:32:17,320 --> 01:32:20,200
Speaker 2: not in it. You know, they all have denied versions

1767
01:32:20,200 --> 01:32:23,559
Speaker 2: of everything, but Billy's in all their stories.

1768
01:32:24,200 --> 01:32:29,280
Speaker 4: Okay, except and I will not get too into the weeds, Courtney,

1769
01:32:29,360 --> 01:32:31,760
Speaker 4: go for it. The judge, in my view, it's a

1770
01:32:31,800 --> 01:32:35,200
Speaker 4: new judge who's overseeing the case, not that new at

1771
01:32:35,200 --> 01:32:37,320
Speaker 4: this point, but different than who oversaw the first three

1772
01:32:37,360 --> 01:32:42,080
Speaker 4: cases and who allowed the case that was made by

1773
01:32:42,320 --> 01:32:48,599
Speaker 4: the prosecution where the family members who confessed and it

1774
01:32:48,640 --> 01:32:52,400
Speaker 4: was yes, I will go and testify to the satisfaction

1775
01:32:52,600 --> 01:32:53,240
Speaker 4: of the state.

1776
01:32:53,840 --> 01:32:55,640
Speaker 3: Well, now the judge.

1777
01:32:55,200 --> 01:32:57,720
Speaker 4: Is waffling on that, and how could this be a

1778
01:32:57,760 --> 01:33:01,960
Speaker 4: different ending if those family members, the other three or

1779
01:33:02,040 --> 01:33:04,960
Speaker 4: two in particular, if they do not testify. There is

1780
01:33:05,040 --> 01:33:10,320
Speaker 4: one shoe print, There are no fingerprints like Stephanie Lydecker

1781
01:33:10,400 --> 01:33:12,519
Speaker 4: or anyone else who listened to python. If you take

1782
01:33:12,600 --> 01:33:18,760
Speaker 4: out what Joe Wagner and Angelo Wagner said, it's not

1783
01:33:18,800 --> 01:33:23,040
Speaker 4: a big bag of nothing, but it's way disier.

1784
01:33:23,400 --> 01:33:24,200
Speaker 3: And think about it.

1785
01:33:24,240 --> 01:33:26,920
Speaker 2: So that's four family members mother, father, and if you

1786
01:33:26,960 --> 01:33:29,759
Speaker 2: don't know this case, mother, father, two sons.

1787
01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:31,760
Speaker 3: Small town, lovely town.

1788
01:33:32,439 --> 01:33:36,280
Speaker 2: This family together have now been accused and convicted in

1789
01:33:36,320 --> 01:33:41,479
Speaker 2: some cases of murdering seven members of one family of

1790
01:33:41,800 --> 01:33:45,600
Speaker 2: another family, I should say, plus Hannah Gilly.

1791
01:33:45,720 --> 01:33:48,320
Speaker 3: It's astounding what they have been accused of.

1792
01:33:48,920 --> 01:33:52,000
Speaker 2: And they've all kind of pointed at each other sort of.

1793
01:33:52,400 --> 01:33:54,679
Speaker 2: Two of them took a pleat deal that they would

1794
01:33:54,760 --> 01:33:57,599
Speaker 2: take the death sentences off the table for the rest

1795
01:33:57,640 --> 01:34:02,200
Speaker 2: of their family if they testify against them. Pretty major.

1796
01:34:02,960 --> 01:34:05,160
Speaker 2: Now this new judge is trying to take those death

1797
01:34:05,200 --> 01:34:06,600
Speaker 2: sentences off.

1798
01:34:06,360 --> 01:34:09,360
Speaker 3: Of the table even prior to the fourth trial.

1799
01:34:09,640 --> 01:34:13,519
Speaker 6: Oh so they won't have to testify against potentially crazy

1800
01:34:13,560 --> 01:34:14,280
Speaker 6: as it sounds.

1801
01:34:14,360 --> 01:34:18,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's really bad. And then anyway, so we're

1802
01:34:18,520 --> 01:34:19,160
Speaker 3: following it.

1803
01:34:19,160 --> 01:34:21,120
Speaker 2: It's a little in the weeds and the legal jargon

1804
01:34:21,360 --> 01:34:23,760
Speaker 2: and hearings and all of that right now, but yes,

1805
01:34:23,920 --> 01:34:24,960
Speaker 2: of course we will be.

1806
01:34:25,880 --> 01:34:27,719
Speaker 3: Quite healthy there with bells.

1807
01:34:29,160 --> 01:34:29,519
Speaker 7: Good.

1808
01:34:29,760 --> 01:34:32,640
Speaker 3: It's it. We're talking about okay, So we have a

1809
01:34:32,640 --> 01:34:34,919
Speaker 3: big day tomorrow. Tomorrow we have the Judge.

1810
01:34:35,160 --> 01:34:37,920
Speaker 2: The Judge will be in session tomorrow, so make sure

1811
01:34:37,960 --> 01:34:40,920
Speaker 2: you tune in if you have any legal questions. This

1812
01:34:41,000 --> 01:34:43,559
Speaker 2: has been true crime tonight. We're talking true crime all

1813
01:34:43,600 --> 01:34:43,920
Speaker 2: the time.

1814
01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:53,760
Speaker 3: Stay safe. Bye,