1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: And the idea that we are holding on to. 2 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:08,480 Speaker 2: What is static or the status quo about ourselves, disallows 3 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 2: for the beauty of evolution and certainly the beauty of pivoting. 4 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:22,439 Speaker 3: Welcome to She Pivots, the podcast where we talk with 5 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 3: women who dared to pivot out of one career and 6 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 3: into something new and explore how their personal lives impacted 7 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 3: these decisions. I'm your host, Emily Tish Sussman. I'm so 8 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 3: excited to introduce this episode. It was our first ever 9 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 3: live podcast in front of an audience. I had the 10 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 3: honor to interview the Stacy London. Yes that's Stacy London. 11 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 3: I spent my college days obsessed with what not to wear, 12 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 3: wishing someonet ironically that I too could be made over 13 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 3: by the illustrious Stacy and Clinton. To say this interview 14 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:03,279 Speaker 3: come true is not far off, and to do it 15 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 3: where I grew up and then sent my kids for 16 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 3: school was surreal. Thank you so much to the Marlene 17 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 3: Myerson Jewish Community Center in New York for hosting us, 18 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 3: and for Stacy for being the. 19 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: Perfect first she Pivots live guests. 20 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 3: I also just want to note that since our interview, 21 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 3: Stacy's company that she references state of menopause, did their 22 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 3: own pivot. Now they're no longer selling product, but still 23 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 3: doing important work around menopause. 24 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: Let's get into it. 25 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 4: I am so excited to introduce one of Tonight's speakers, 26 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 4: Emily Tish Susman. Emily is truly a force in every 27 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 4: sense of the word. A podcast host, women's empowerment and 28 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 4: family policy advocate, leading political strategist, contributor to Marie Clare 29 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 4: and Parent magazine. Please give a warm welcome to Emily 30 00:01:58,800 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 4: Tish Susman. 31 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 1: Thank you. 32 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 3: So this is our first ever podcast live taping of 33 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 3: She Pivots. Stacy London is truly a woman who needs 34 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 3: no introduction. Stacy has had a huge impact on unscripted TV, 35 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 3: on the way that we think about fashion, on showing 36 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:25,239 Speaker 3: empathy towards people that we may not know or necessarily 37 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 3: agree with. Stacy has paved the way in so many ways. 38 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 3: And now she's moved on to a new venture starting 39 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 3: state of taking on something that we're just talking about 40 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 3: this backstage. We don't have an education and how to 41 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 3: begin thinking about menopause, how to begin thinking about the 42 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 3: next phase of our reproductive lives. Stacy is paving the 43 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 3: way in that way now. So I am so excited 44 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 3: to be joined by Stacy London. Please give her a 45 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:57,799 Speaker 3: huge round of applause. Hello, Ho, everybody, Well Stacy, thank 46 00:02:57,840 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 3: you so much for joining us. I want to start 47 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 3: at the beginning. Did you always know that you were 48 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 3: going to be in fashion? Like, were you a really 49 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 3: stylish kid? 50 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 2: I really knew that I wanted to go into fashion 51 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 2: around sixteen. I was diagnosed at three and a half 52 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 2: with psoriasis. I had a skin disease. I still have it, 53 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 2: I just have it under control. But by the time 54 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 2: I was eleven, I was covered in scales for my 55 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 2: neck down. I had it in my scalp, so I 56 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,399 Speaker 2: had terrible dandrips. So I only wore long sleeve, white 57 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:28,359 Speaker 2: turtlenecks and cordory pants, even in the summer. And there 58 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 2: was something so confining about that that I used to 59 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 2: envy the beauty of people who could wear whatever they 60 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 2: wanted and show off their skin or even not, just 61 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 2: had style and look beautiful. 62 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: Right. But I very much. 63 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 2: Believed that I gravitated towards fashion out of insecurity. But 64 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 2: I went to Vogue straight out of college, which is 65 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 2: also a total fluke, And really it was just Luck 66 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 2: at the time Advanced Publications, which was New House Families company, 67 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 2: the new Houses they had Random House and I got 68 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 2: an interview to be an assistant to a book editor. 69 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 2: And I didn't realize you had to take a typing 70 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 2: test and see how many words you could type a minute. Well, 71 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 2: I am here to tell you that, I not to brag, 72 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 2: typed seven words and five. 73 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:20,280 Speaker 1: Of them are misspelled. 74 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 2: And this guy took one look at my typing test 75 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 2: and he was like, I wonder if you would be 76 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 2: better in magazines. But he called his counterpart at Conde 77 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 2: Nest and said, I really, you know, I like this girl. 78 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 2: She's sweet, she's funny, and she really does seem to 79 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 2: be interested in fashion. And I remember the woman at 80 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:41,719 Speaker 2: the time who was the head of HR said, we 81 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 2: don't have any positions, but okay, she can come do 82 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 2: like a trial interview and we'll see how it goes. 83 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:46,600 Speaker 3: Well. 84 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:50,159 Speaker 2: Turns out we went to the same college and that 85 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:53,239 Speaker 2: was let me tell you this is why like staying 86 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 2: in touch with alumni is always a good idea. And 87 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 2: she liked me. And it was February of my senior 88 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 2: year college. I hadn't even graduated, and she called me 89 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 2: just after I graduated in June and said, we have 90 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 2: a job at Vogue. 91 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 1: Do you want it? 92 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:12,119 Speaker 3: So she started at Vogue just three years after Anna 93 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 3: Wintour took the helm. Truly the height of magazines, you know, 94 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 3: this was like the golden age of print. My first 95 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 3: week of working at Vogue, I was wearing my teal 96 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 3: stirrup stretch pants from Express, thank You, and a brown 97 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 3: and black hounds Tooth blouse from agnes By that had 98 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:38,119 Speaker 3: silver buttons. And nobody told me that you don't get 99 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 3: into an elevator alone with Anna. Nobody told me, so, 100 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 3: I get into this elevator. 101 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 2: She is standing in the corner with these huge sunglasses on, 102 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:52,159 Speaker 2: and yet you can feel her like I scanning my 103 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 2: outfit head to toe and back up again. 104 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 1: It was the longest ride from the thirteenth floor. Have 105 00:05:57,800 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 1: you seen her sin? 106 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 3: I have, and she's actually quite like it, really, you know, 107 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 3: I was like, did she remember that outfit? 108 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: No, she did not remember that outfit. 109 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:09,679 Speaker 3: Like most first jobs, Stacy grew out of Vogue looking 110 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 3: for more upward mobility and a chance to find her 111 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 3: voice in the fashion industry. 112 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 2: I was really excited. I went to Mademoiselle twice. I 113 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 2: was a fashion assistant at Vogue for Andre Leon Tally, 114 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 2: Phyllis Posnik, and Brono Wolf, all at the same time, 115 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 2: so I had a color coded office and a lot 116 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 2: to remember. And then I went when Gabby Duphell became 117 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:31,720 Speaker 2: the editor in chief of Mademoiselle at the same time 118 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 2: that James Truman was the editor in chief of Details. 119 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: Elizabeth Saltzman was the. 120 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 2: Creative director, and I went to see her because I 121 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 2: had been friendly with her at Vogue, and I said, 122 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 2: you know, I'm not very happy and I would love 123 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:44,720 Speaker 2: to do something else. And they had hired a new 124 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:49,159 Speaker 2: fashion director from England named Debbie Mason, who to this 125 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:53,039 Speaker 2: day I simply adore, who was the first person sort 126 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 2: of not to treat me as like a kid who 127 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 2: didn't know anything, asked my opinion, you know, I mean, 128 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 2: it was just it was such a revelation. So I 129 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:02,919 Speaker 2: went to work there for a couple of years, and 130 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:07,160 Speaker 2: then when Gabby was fired, pretty much everybody left and 131 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 2: I went again went freelance and thought, okay, I'll just 132 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 2: assist all the great freelance stylists, which I did, but 133 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 2: At some point I had to decide, like, either I'm 134 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 2: going to be the best freelance first assistant for fashion stylists. 135 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: Or I'm going to do it on my own. 136 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 2: And I asked my dad in advance if he would 137 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 2: help me with ren I said, give me six months, 138 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 2: let me see if I can start styling on my own. 139 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 2: So I stopped taking assistant jobs, and slowly but surely, 140 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 2: photographers like Wayne Maser helped me out. 141 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 3: Then Mademoiselle came calling. She had the opportunity to work 142 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 3: there for a second time. They were looking for a 143 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 3: New York editor. 144 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 2: I was the senior fashion editor at Mademoiselle magazine. For 145 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 2: those of you who remember her, May she rest and 146 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 2: I was fired by the editor in chief that destroyed 147 00:07:57,720 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 2: that magazine. 148 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 1: So I feel pretty smarm me about it all. 149 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 2: I had a lot of success early on in magazines 150 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 2: and it was kind of a punch in the face 151 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 2: to be fired, but at the same time incredibly humbling, 152 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 2: And I do say that that was one of the 153 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 2: most pivotal and important experiences of my life. 154 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 1: I really spent. 155 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 2: A lot of my life trying to be an overachiever, 156 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 2: and the idea that somebody would fire me just literally 157 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 2: never occurred to me. I thought, if you do a 158 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 2: good job, you get to keep your job. And it 159 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 2: was very eye opening and I really do recommend it. 160 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 2: And I say that knowing that it sounds very privileged 161 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 2: to say. 162 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: Go get yourself fired. Why not? You don't have bills 163 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:38,199 Speaker 1: to pay. 164 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 2: But really, what I mean by that is it is 165 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:45,680 Speaker 2: sometimes essential for someone or something out of your control 166 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 2: to shut a door on you in order for you 167 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 2: to find your path, in order for you to find 168 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 2: the door that opens, or the window or whatever metaphor 169 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 2: really does it for you. But when I got fired, 170 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 2: I really didn't know what I wanted to do. But 171 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 2: I did have an agent, so I would take jobs. 172 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 2: But they weren't fashion styling jobs. They were like, you know, 173 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 2: dress a dad and his daughter on their way to 174 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:09,599 Speaker 2: go to a bank commercial, right, or a high c 175 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 2: commercial where I was like up till you know, three 176 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 2: o'clock in the morning, Like sewing patches on you know, 177 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 2: denim overalls. Things that felt much more like real life. 178 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 2: It was about how do you make something believable? How 179 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 2: do you make something feel real? How do you show 180 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 2: off what somebody's trying to say about themselves. It was 181 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:31,559 Speaker 2: a very different experience. Like it could be that I put, 182 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 2: you know, a mom in crop jeans and a button 183 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 2: down shirt. But the fact that I distressed those genes, 184 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 2: or that I learned how to make that shirt look 185 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 2: worn and yet crisp, or all the different things to 186 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 2: make that mom as believable as if she had dressed 187 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 2: herself that day became really interesting to me. And the 188 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 2: idea of personality expressed through style became interesting to me. 189 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 2: How am I conveying the message that this client wants 190 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:59,199 Speaker 2: you to see in this commercial or this ad? 191 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 3: When did you start to see yourself as a player 192 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 3: in those narratives moving to the screen in What Not 193 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 3: to Wear? 194 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 1: Like? Did you? There was no plan here, guys. Let 195 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: me just be clear. 196 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:12,199 Speaker 2: I had no idea that I was going to go 197 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 2: into television. My agent's got a phone call from someone. Okay, 198 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 2: all I know is that there was a C involved. 199 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 2: It was either ABC, NBCTLC, BBCs. 200 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 1: They were looking for hosts. 201 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 2: They wanted somebody who had worked with celebrities, which I 202 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 2: had done a lot of covers at Mademoiselle, and they 203 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 2: wanted somebody who had dressed real people, somebody who had 204 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:35,439 Speaker 2: editorial experience and somebody who could talk a lot without 205 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:35,959 Speaker 2: a script. 206 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: And my agent said, I know exactly who. 207 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 2: You need to meet. And I did eight, maybe eight 208 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 2: screen tests. I've told the story several times. The last one. 209 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 2: I was on vacation with my family in Spain and 210 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 2: I got a phone call from my agent and she said, 211 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 2: You've got to come back through doing one last like 212 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 2: meet and greet with the top twenty seven candidates. And 213 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 2: I was so offend. I mean, I don't know, I 214 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 2: was like twenty seven. They couldn't knock it down to ten. 215 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 2: And at that point there had been a running joke. 216 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 2: I mean, almost every stylist in New York audition for 217 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:12,680 Speaker 2: that show or said they'd already gotten the part. So 218 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 2: I really didn't take it very seriously anymore. And I 219 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 2: said to my agent, they have me on camera, like 220 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 2: what more do they want? 221 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 1: You know? 222 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 2: They asked me one day in the middle of a 223 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 2: park to pretend that I was commenting on like the 224 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 2: Oscar's red carpet, and to talk, imagine, just imaginary. 225 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 1: Talk to Oh, Angelina Jolie, who are you wearing? Love? 226 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 2: That dress really emphasizes your curves. How did you choose 227 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 2: Green this season, like make it up as you go, right. 228 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: I mean, it was crazy. 229 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 2: So I was like, they know me. If they don't, 230 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 2: I don't know what I have to come back for. 231 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 2: I'm not coming. And my stepmother I got off the 232 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 2: phone and I, you know, we went to dinner. I 233 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 2: was saying it, telling my stepmother and my dad what happened. 234 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 2: And my stepmother said, Okay, you're an idiot. We're getting 235 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 2: you out a plane tomorrow. You're going home. You're going 236 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 2: to that last screen test because you are going to 237 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 2: get this job and it is going to change your life. 238 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 2: And she was one thousand percent right. I got the 239 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:09,680 Speaker 2: job and it totally changed my life. I thought, I'm 240 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 2: going to do eleven episodes, which is how many were 241 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 2: in the first season, and I will be able to 242 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 2: charge clients more because I'll be able to say I 243 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 2: was once on television. Twelve years later, Today's show Excess, Hollywood, Oprah, Panteene, Woolite, 244 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 2: Doctor Schulz, I mean. 245 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: Lee Jeans. The list went on. 246 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 2: It was a much bigger opportunity than I recognized when 247 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:37,439 Speaker 2: it first happened. My Courtney, I'm flinting it and I'm 248 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 2: Stacy not. 249 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:42,839 Speaker 3: To Wear, And now it's ELC Summer sneak peak of 250 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 3: the season premiere of What Not to Wear. It's hard, 251 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 3: it's blossom, it's my ambiolic all grown up in this summer. 252 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:53,959 Speaker 1: It's more than just styles that are changing. So today 253 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 1: that she is helping us, Surprise Tanya. 254 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 2: Tanya thinks she's going to have a seat at our 255 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 2: coveted tasting table to say ample Stacy Soup. 256 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 3: I mean every episode was basically about changing these women's 257 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 3: lives and helping them into their pivot, like helping them 258 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:12,679 Speaker 3: figure out their own confidence. 259 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 1: What helped you prepare for that? I was very. 260 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 2: Lucky, right, and I do believe very much in connecting 261 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 2: the dots backwards. You can always connect the dots backwards. 262 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 2: I went to college and I could not decide on 263 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 2: a major. And I had a dad who was a 264 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 2: professor and the founding dean of a college at NYU 265 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 2: called Gallatin, and Gallatin's only requirement is one. 266 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 1: Course on great books. You can decide your major. 267 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:40,079 Speaker 2: You can decide every course that you're going to take 268 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 2: from any other college at NYU. So I declared an 269 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 2: independent major in philosophy, psychology, and literature with an emphasis 270 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 2: on the creation of self in character. And I have 271 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:55,719 Speaker 2: been obsessed with the concept of self for as long 272 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 2: as I can remember, even in high school. And I 273 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 2: had no idea that studying philosophy, especially German philosophy German existentialism, 274 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 2: would have such an impact at like something so completely different. 275 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 2: So here, I'd been trained by stylists to really understand 276 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 2: how to style photography and film for high fashion, and 277 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 2: then I'd gone on to learn how to dress real 278 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 2: people and men and children and all, you know, walks 279 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 2: of life basically, and then I had this really funny 280 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 2: background in understanding human psychology and philosophy. I honestly walked 281 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 2: onto the set of What Not to Wear and I thought, oh, 282 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 2: I'm home. I knew exactly I'm getting emotional even just 283 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 2: thinking about it. I knew exactly what to do. And 284 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 2: the most amazing thing to come out of that show 285 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 2: for me was that the reason I was good at 286 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 2: being snarky was because, like, guess what, you know, I'm 287 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 2: like the most self critical person you could possibly imagine. 288 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 2: That's where criticism, great criticism comes from, being, you know, 289 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 2: having an inner critic, but working with all of those people, 290 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 2: which was you know, well over six hundred individuals. What 291 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 2: I really took away from it was most of the 292 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 2: people that we made over were women. To hear the 293 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 2: way they thought about themselves, to hear the mean things 294 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 2: that they would say to themselves, I couldn't bear it. 295 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 1: I mean, I saw the potential in every single. 296 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 2: One of our guests. I saw things in them that 297 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 2: they clearly could not see, and I couldn't believe it. 298 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 2: And I had such empathy and such compassion for them, 299 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 2: and it really made me realize, like, how can I 300 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 2: be so awful? 301 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: How can I have this. 302 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 2: Inner bitchy, malignant critic in my head about me? If 303 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 2: I am going to spend all this time and energy 304 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 2: really getting to know people, to empathize with them, to 305 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 2: have compassion for them, why can't I do that for myself. 306 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 2: You have got to give yourself a little bit of credit. 307 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 2: You've done some great things here. You've managed to create 308 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 2: a career out of nothing and nowhere, and it really 309 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 2: was quite meaningful to me. It changed my sense of 310 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 2: self esteem by being able to help others. 311 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 3: How did you manage all of that emotion as you 312 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 3: were I mean, you were on that show for a 313 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 3: very long time. And I know you did story after 314 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 3: story after a story. 315 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 1: Somewhere harder than others. For every minute that was aired, 316 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 1: it took at least an hour to shoot. So there 317 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: was a lot of stuff. 318 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 2: That happened that was incredibly emotional. And I have to 319 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 2: say my co host and a lot of the crew, 320 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 2: they were very good at separating what happened on set 321 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 2: as opposed to like what happened when you left set. 322 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 2: There were a lot of episodes that really like stuck 323 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 2: with me that were hard for me. 324 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: To let go of. 325 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 3: I feel like, what's an extra complication about it is 326 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 3: that you didn't go through that emotional toll yourself, but 327 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 3: that you had to do it with someone else because 328 00:16:57,480 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 3: you had a co host. 329 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 2: I mean it was like married, you know, Like I mean, 330 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 2: I had a work husband was very difficult, and we 331 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 2: were we were both under a lot of pressure in 332 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 2: similar and different ways, you know, and we both had 333 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:13,639 Speaker 2: very big side hustles. So you know, it was a 334 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 2: lot of work. It was a lot of time, and 335 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 2: there were days where we wanted to kill each other, 336 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 2: and there were days where we were a complete united 337 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:25,400 Speaker 2: front against you know, the man and the system. 338 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 1: But we both I think had real heis and lows 339 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 1: on that show. I really do. 340 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 2: I think we both understood in retrospect how meaningful and 341 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 2: important it was in terms of like the dawn of 342 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 2: unscripted television. And I think we also recognized that it 343 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 2: was really important because we made style accessible. That was 344 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 2: the thing that also made me so proud is we 345 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:52,119 Speaker 2: made the part of your everyday vernacular to talk about 346 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 2: what you wanted to wear, what you wanted to express 347 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 2: about yourself and what you wore, or what was right 348 00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:59,159 Speaker 2: for your body shape in a way that you know, 349 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 2: you only got from how two pages in magazines before that. 350 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:05,200 Speaker 2: We really were a very revolutionary show, and I still 351 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:08,120 Speaker 2: hold my head high. And you know, the great thing 352 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 2: about What Not to Wear was that, yeah, it was 353 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 2: meant to be entertaining. 354 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:12,400 Speaker 1: I hope that you were entertained. 355 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 2: We just didn't expect how emotional it was going to be. Honestly, 356 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 2: we didn't realize how quickly it would become so educational 357 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 2: that people would actually like take our rules and go 358 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 2: shopping with them. I watched a couple of the English 359 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:29,400 Speaker 2: shows and I thought, why are these women like grabbing 360 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 2: their fat and their boobs? And it was very different, 361 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 2: and we had a very different mandate as the American show. 362 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 1: The first few seasons we were told. 363 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:39,440 Speaker 2: To be nasty, and guess what, that doesn't really work 364 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 2: if you don't have a British accent. 365 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 1: And also we were finding it really hard to be 366 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 1: so mean. 367 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 2: Even though the idea was to break you down to 368 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 2: build you back up better. Right, even our snarkiness got 369 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:53,920 Speaker 2: more empathetic. And you know, there were so many different 370 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 2: heads of Discovery, which was the parent company, so many 371 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 2: different heads of TLC in the years that I was there, 372 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:03,119 Speaker 2: that we got a different mandate every couple of seasons, 373 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 2: and we just basically did what we wanted because we 374 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:08,880 Speaker 2: just were like, all right, somebody else has another opinion. 375 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 3: As the seasons of What Not to whar came and went, 376 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 3: Stacey found a world of opportunities, but from sponsorships to 377 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 3: speaking engagements, also with the demands of hosting the show, 378 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 3: it all became overwhelming, especially after struggling with chronic illness 379 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:27,400 Speaker 3: for years. 380 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 2: But but you know, when I got surrises I was four, 381 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,679 Speaker 2: it was there was nothing that people knew about the 382 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 2: disease then. I mean I had it so severely. I 383 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 2: was in medical journals. Nobody knew what to do. Then 384 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:43,159 Speaker 2: they were throwing, you know, crap at the wall and 385 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:46,399 Speaker 2: just trying to see what stuck. I have to say, 386 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 2: if you watch that show, if you ever watched it, 387 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 2: if you're fans of it, you will see in that 388 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:53,680 Speaker 2: last season how much I was struggling. 389 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:57,160 Speaker 1: I was really ill, and I did not know why. 390 00:19:57,840 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 1: I was in pain all the time. 391 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:02,880 Speaker 2: F I would be able to fit into a pair 392 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:05,399 Speaker 2: of shoes one day and the next I couldn't. I 393 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:11,160 Speaker 2: was exhausted constantly. I would gain weight overnight for no reason. 394 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 2: I mean, I was like swelling up and I felt awful, 395 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 2: just awful. And I even went to TLC and I said, 396 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 2: you know, I've got to stop whatever is happening. 397 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 1: This, this is just all become too much. 398 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 2: And ten years seems like a good long run, and 399 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 2: you're going to get twelve seasons out of it. And 400 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 2: they asked me, you know, I said, I want to 401 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 2: do twelve episodes for the last season, and they asked 402 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,120 Speaker 2: me to do twenty six. We went back and forth 403 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 2: and back and forth and back and forth. I finally 404 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 2: was like, Okay, I will do it. I'll make it through. 405 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 2: But I look back at those episodes, and I feel 406 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 2: so crazy because it doesn't even remind me of me. 407 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:52,200 Speaker 2: I was so tired, and I was so relieved. Really honestly, 408 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,880 Speaker 2: when they originally said they were going to keep going 409 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 2: with the show, they were just going to recast me. 410 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 2: And I think that the final decision really to cancel 411 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 2: the show came from, what are we going to do? 412 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 2: We're going to spend all this money to promote a 413 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 2: new show, and the only thing that will be different 414 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,440 Speaker 2: is the original host will be gone, and we don't 415 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,879 Speaker 2: know how that's going to play. And also, after ten years, 416 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 2: I think the show was kind of getting wrote. You know, 417 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 2: we were pretty steady in the ratings, but not going up, 418 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:21,919 Speaker 2: and we would have had to do something anyway. So 419 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 2: I really felt like it was a very natural, organic 420 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 2: ending to the show. 421 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:30,879 Speaker 3: I mean, those ten years that you were on the 422 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 3: world around you really did change, like you were really 423 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 3: at the forefront of unscripted, and by the time you 424 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,200 Speaker 3: went off, it's I actually, I think it's pretty interesting 425 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 3: that your ratings stayed consistent. Yeah, they did, which I 426 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 3: think says a lot for you as the personalities. Because 427 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 3: the format of TV and the rise of social media 428 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 3: had changed so much by the time you were off. 429 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,439 Speaker 2: I remember sitting at a dinner with my agents and 430 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:01,160 Speaker 2: they were telling me how they were signing. 431 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 1: Bloggers, and I was like, what is a blogger? 432 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:08,640 Speaker 2: And then you know, bloggers became influencers and now everybody 433 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 2: has a personal brand if they have a social media account, 434 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:14,120 Speaker 2: and I don't. I don't know anything about personal branding. Frankly, 435 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 2: that's that's not my jam. So you know, it's funny. 436 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:21,879 Speaker 2: I don't feel like the jump to social media was 437 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 2: very easy for me at all. 438 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:24,679 Speaker 1: I have a really hard. 439 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 2: Time with It's very easy for me to be in 440 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 2: front of a camera, but like talking to my phone, 441 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 2: all of a sudden, I feel very self conscious. 442 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 3: Well, you've said that we've gone from a how to 443 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 3: culture to a meet to culture. 444 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 1: That is correct, Yeah, tell us more about that. So 445 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:42,440 Speaker 1: I love that you know that quote. 446 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 2: I think that back in the day when you know, 447 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 2: sort of unscripted television was just on the rise. That 448 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 2: was two thousand and two. When I started on what 449 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 2: on TWAR, we were looking for experts. We loved being 450 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,440 Speaker 2: told what to do by experts. We had a real 451 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 2: interest in that, right how to culture, how to dress, 452 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 2: how to style your room, trading spaces. You know, we 453 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 2: were on the forefront of that kind of television. The 454 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 2: learning channel is what TLC was right. And then I 455 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 2: think as the advent of social media and just the 456 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 2: rise of the Internet started right, one of the things 457 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 2: was that you didn't need appointment television. That's one thing, 458 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 2: you know, you didn't have to wait until Friday to 459 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 2: watch Us at nine o'clock. But also you had access 460 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 2: to people in a very different way. Whereas you could 461 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 2: not just only write to people you'd seen on television, 462 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,919 Speaker 2: you could start following people on Instagram who just looked cool, 463 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 2: and that wasn't about them being experts. Right, maybe you 464 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 2: still want somebody who was ten thousand hours or more 465 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 2: of experience if they're like you're pilot, but not if 466 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 2: you are just already interested in the way somebody appears, 467 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 2: because that appeals to you. To me, we started to 468 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 2: value shared experience and value our own opinions over those 469 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 2: of being taught to us by an expert. But social 470 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:04,159 Speaker 2: media allowed for us to all be our own authorities 471 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,119 Speaker 2: in a way, and we didn't have to look to 472 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 2: people for that same kind of how to. Certainly, when 473 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 2: it came to style, certainly when it came to personal expression, 474 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 2: and it became much more about this is who I am, 475 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:21,120 Speaker 2: not this is what somebody told me to be. And look, 476 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,679 Speaker 2: if I could do what Not to Wear again, it 477 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 2: would not be what not to wear one. I would 478 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,679 Speaker 2: never have the gotcha. I would never let friends and 479 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 2: family secretly nominate somebody. And you know, I briefly did 480 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,400 Speaker 2: another show on TLC called lovelust or Run where everyone 481 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 2: self nominated. And part of the reason for that was 482 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 2: because I wanted people to come to me and say, 483 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:42,399 Speaker 2: what am I doing wrong? 484 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,400 Speaker 1: How do I get what I want? What is the. 485 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 2: Message that I am giving transmission versus translation? What do 486 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 2: you think you're transmitting to the world, And what is 487 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:57,199 Speaker 2: the world translating? And there's a big disconnect sometimes and 488 00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,919 Speaker 2: people can get very frustrated. But that, to me, was 489 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,959 Speaker 2: not the same thing as making somebody over. That to 490 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,159 Speaker 2: me was sort of trying to sharpen and hone with 491 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 2: somebody already knew they wanted. That felt more in keeping 492 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 2: with the way I'd like to work with people. 493 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 3: You do speak a lot about your midlife crisis, like 494 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 3: what you call your mid life crises. 495 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 1: Let's be clear there were multiples. 496 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, the way you talk about it resonates a 497 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 3: lot with me when I think about what is leading 498 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 3: to a pivot, like a pivot in somebody's life. Sure 499 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 3: that you have you kind of have to go down, 500 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 3: like you have to feel like you don't have other 501 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 3: options to force it. 502 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 2: I think a little bit like I like to think of, 503 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 2: you can't get to the midlife renaissance without the midlife 504 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 2: crisis at you know, around forty seven, I had done 505 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 2: What Not to Wear, burned out, took a bunch of 506 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,199 Speaker 2: time off, developed a series that I sold that was 507 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,880 Speaker 2: a talk show for syndication that never got made. Then 508 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 2: I did Love Luster Run and then I guest hosted 509 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 2: on the View for about a year, and slowly but 510 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 2: surely I stopped getting as many phone calls, and people 511 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 2: wanted me to do things that I found distasteful and 512 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 2: not in keeping with the ethos that I'd already had 513 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:17,679 Speaker 2: around television and who I wanted to be on television, and. 514 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 1: It just didn't appeal to me. 515 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 2: The kinds of things that were coming felt a little crass, 516 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 2: and television was turning into something else. And I realized also, 517 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:32,400 Speaker 2: like my phone just isn't ringing. Maybe I'm aging out 518 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,639 Speaker 2: of TV. Maybe I'm just not the flavor of the 519 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 2: month anymore, which is pretty painful. Sure, and I had 520 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 2: to kind of look at that. But I also thought, oh, well, 521 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 2: this is really interesting. I can't be the only one 522 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 2: who feels completely crazy and out of control, right, I mean, here, 523 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,119 Speaker 2: I am forty seven, like, all of a sudden, I'm 524 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:51,439 Speaker 2: starting to look a little bit different. 525 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:52,639 Speaker 1: I don't feel the same. 526 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 3: What did you think was more surprising to you as 527 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 3: you started to go through menopause. 528 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: Well, I didn't know that I was in menopause. 529 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,400 Speaker 2: I thought menopause happened to old people, and I thought 530 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 2: it was optional. I thought my career was falling apart, 531 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 2: and therefore I was falling apart. I was not married, 532 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 2: I did not have children. So many people were like, well, 533 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,439 Speaker 2: you're married to your career. Nobody marries their career. You 534 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,879 Speaker 2: can love your career, you can want your career. You 535 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 2: can prioritize your career over a family or close relationships. 536 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:26,880 Speaker 1: You can do all of that, but you cannot marry 537 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 1: your career. 538 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 2: And I found it really insulting because I don't want 539 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 2: to be married to my career. I wanted a career 540 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,479 Speaker 2: that I loved, and I pursued it at the expense 541 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 2: of maybe other things. But recognizing that that career was 542 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 2: kind of slowing down really made me feel very lonely, 543 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,719 Speaker 2: very isolated, and I had a real identity crisis, and 544 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 2: I thought, Okay, well, then let's go make a show 545 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 2: about that. And so I went to pitch a show 546 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 2: about midlife, about midlife transformation, about what a midlife crisis 547 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 2: could be something amazing. And I didn't just want to 548 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,639 Speaker 2: do it in fashion, because I really think midlife is 549 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 2: an amazing time to reinvent yourself in terms of style, 550 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,479 Speaker 2: and we don't actually look at that enough, but also 551 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 2: everything else that comes with midlife. What is happening to 552 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 2: us hormonally? Because I thought I was batshit crazy. I 553 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 2: mean I was like ready to commit myself. I was like, 554 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 2: how are all of these things happening? What is happening 555 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:26,680 Speaker 2: to me? Am I sick? 556 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 1: What is wrong? 557 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,639 Speaker 2: Let's talk about all of the things that are happening 558 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 2: in midlife. Maybe you're going through child's care or empty nesting. 559 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,119 Speaker 2: Maybe you're dealing with elder care or dying parents. Maybe 560 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 2: you're forty five to fifty five, highest rate of decreased 561 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 2: earning potential in women, highest rate of depression, highest rate 562 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 2: of divorce. What if we talk about a jumpstart for 563 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 2: the rest of your life, not the second half the 564 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,719 Speaker 2: third act? Right, We're not dying in our sixties. We're 565 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 2: dying in our nineties. And I thought, what an incredible 566 00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 2: show crickets. Now, no streamer. Everybody said to me, nobody 567 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 2: wants to watch a show about middle aged women in crisis. 568 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 2: We need to learn how to revere age by sharing 569 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 2: that with younger people. What can we learn from younger 570 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 2: generations and what can we still teach them? 571 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 1: Right? This idea that we have nothing to teach them 572 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 1: because we grew up with rotary phones does not But 573 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 1: it just doesn't make any sense. 574 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 2: I was like, there's a real multi generational mentorship aspect 575 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 2: to this. I am open about what kind of crisis 576 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 2: I'm having. I'm open when I found out what I 577 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 2: was experienced with menopause because I've been taught by younger 578 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 2: generations who are so open and systemically breaking down ideas 579 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:47,239 Speaker 2: about race and gender and sexuality. Why am I not 580 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 2: doing that about age? Why are we not all doing 581 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 2: that about age? It is the one bias we don't 582 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,720 Speaker 2: seem to be able to get rid of that easily 583 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 2: or really shine a light on. And agism is separate 584 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 2: from menopause, right. We conflate aging and. 585 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 1: Menopause all the time. 586 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 2: Menopause can happen at any age, surgical and medical, but 587 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 2: chronological is the most common, which is that you arrive 588 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 2: at menopause or perimenopause somewhere between forty and sixty. 589 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 1: And that's the one you know about. 590 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 2: What the hot flashes and the night sweats and the 591 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 2: vaginal dryness and the insomnia and the joint pain and 592 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 2: the food allergies and the brain FuG and I could 593 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 2: go on and on and on and on, and any 594 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 2: one of those things you might dismiss. 595 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 1: You might not even connect them. You might not. 596 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 2: Realize that your anxiety is going through the roof because 597 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 2: your hormones are in chaos. You might be prescribed antidepressants 598 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 2: instead of looking at the whole picture and understanding that 599 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 2: this is a natural transition. We are ashamed of menopause 600 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 2: because we've been taught to be ashamed of aging. Right, Culturally, 601 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 2: there is an invalidation that happens to women as they ate, 602 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 2: and the one two haha punch of it all is 603 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 2: that you start to feel crazy at the same time 604 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 2: culture starts to ignore you, which makes you feel even crazier. 605 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 2: So I was experiencing all of that and really looking 606 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 2: for a way to make that meaningful, which is basically 607 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 2: what I've tried to do at every stage of my career. 608 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 2: How do we find meaning and purpose in who we 609 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:24,720 Speaker 2: are and where we are at every. 610 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 1: Stage of life? 611 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 2: Knowing that things don't always stay the same, and the 612 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 2: idea that we are holding on to what is static 613 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 2: or the status quo about ourselves disallows for the beauty 614 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 2: of evolution and certainly the beauty of pivoting. And I 615 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 2: just had to decide, you know what, I'm not going 616 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 2: to be Stacy from What Not to Wear anymore. I'm 617 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 2: going to be Stacy New New two point oh Stacy 618 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 2: New three point ohs Stacy. 619 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 3: It was nearly perfect timing when she was then asked 620 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 3: to be a beta tester for State of Menopause, a 621 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 3: company that supports women and as they go through it. 622 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 1: Oh my god, yes, yes, yes, let me be a 623 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 1: beta tester. 624 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 2: I don't know what it's like to have products that 625 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 2: address anything in menopause, because I. 626 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 1: Didn't even know that's what was happening to me. 627 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 2: And all my doctors were saying, you know, it might 628 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 2: be menopause, You'll get through it. And I thought, I 629 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 2: was like, I must be overreacting, but I wasn't and 630 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 2: I wasn't informed, and because I wasn't informed, I felt afraid. 631 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 2: And the last thing I thought was if I feel 632 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 2: this way, I can't be the only one. And now 633 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:35,720 Speaker 2: one billion people are going to be in some stage 634 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 2: of menopause by twenty twenty five. That's a lot of 635 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 2: people who might feel alone. And I wanted to get 636 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 2: the jump on twelve percent of the population and certainly 637 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 2: the fifty two percent of the population who will go 638 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 2: through this, and make sure that you are educated and 639 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 2: that you don't feel alone, that you know what your 640 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 2: solutions are, that there are spectrum of answers, that everybody 641 00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 2: may experience this differently, and you know, fifty two percent 642 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 2: of the population will experience it, but one hundred percent 643 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 2: of the population will be impacted by people going through 644 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,560 Speaker 2: this and not knowing anything about it or how your 645 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 2: body is going to change, or how you're going to 646 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:17,280 Speaker 2: feel psychologically. Just feels like another iniquity that women or 647 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 2: those who identify as women have had to face forever. 648 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 3: So where do you want to take it? Is it 649 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 3: building communities? Is it specific product? Like, how do you 650 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 3: think we're going to get at it? 651 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:28,480 Speaker 1: Great question. 652 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 2: I have been running this company now for almost eighteen months. 653 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 2: They were going to close the entire company. They wanted 654 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 2: to pivot away from consumer product goods and go into technology, 655 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 2: and so I bought the majority share of the brand 656 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 2: and decided that I would start to look at the 657 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 2: products and see, you know, which ones were most essential, 658 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 2: because I thought it was a little short sighted to 659 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 2: think of menopause as a beauty brand. I think menopause 660 00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 2: is its own vertical. It does not belong in beauty. 661 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 2: It certainly belongs much more in health and wellness, But 662 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,800 Speaker 2: there are beauty aspects to it, right. We want our 663 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 2: skin not to feel dry as sandpaper. We don't want 664 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 2: brittle hair. A lot of things that do change about 665 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 2: us physically can be mitigated, certainly by products that we 666 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 2: might put in a beauty category. But I thought, no, 667 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,239 Speaker 2: it needs to be more than that, And what can 668 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,759 Speaker 2: we offer that can be over the counter, non hormonal, 669 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,920 Speaker 2: something that if you feel like you can't take hormones, 670 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,920 Speaker 2: don't want to take hormones, are afraid of hormones, which, 671 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 2: by the way, you don't have to be really truly, 672 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,759 Speaker 2: there was a study that villainized hormones in the nineties. 673 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:39,320 Speaker 1: Or early aughts. 674 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:43,279 Speaker 2: So where are the over the counterproducts that mitigate some 675 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:47,800 Speaker 2: of these more annoying issues or symptoms I might say 676 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,239 Speaker 2: in menopause that interfere with the quality of your daily life. 677 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:52,960 Speaker 2: It is hard to be in a meeting if you 678 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:57,799 Speaker 2: are having a massive hot flash or panic attack, or anxiety, 679 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:02,760 Speaker 2: or headaches, or joint or breast tenderness or muscle fatigue, 680 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,040 Speaker 2: or any of the things that can happen. So one, 681 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,920 Speaker 2: we have to educate people, but two we need to 682 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,319 Speaker 2: have product so that we're not just coming to this 683 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,760 Speaker 2: conversation to say, hey, we know you're suffering. 684 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,160 Speaker 1: No, it's not about suffering. 685 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,160 Speaker 2: We want to make sure that we are improving this 686 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,239 Speaker 2: time in your life so that you can make more 687 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,879 Speaker 2: of it than you ever thought possible. I think it's astounding. 688 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,000 Speaker 2: We would never let a child go through puberty without 689 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:31,080 Speaker 2: telling them what was going to happen. We don't let 690 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:34,360 Speaker 2: people go and get pregnant without knowing about the birds 691 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 2: and the bees for the most part. 692 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:37,440 Speaker 1: But it is also. 693 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,399 Speaker 2: About what are we talking about now and not you know, 694 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:44,120 Speaker 2: being perfect. That pregnancy can be hard, that it can 695 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,840 Speaker 2: be difficult, that raising children is hard, that postpartum depression 696 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,799 Speaker 2: is real, infertility is painful. And yet if we talk 697 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:55,719 Speaker 2: about these things, then we create community, we create safe spaces, 698 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,200 Speaker 2: and we create a way in which to move forward 699 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 2: from things that are hard. And I will never sugarcoat 700 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 2: the fact that I think menopause and midlife is a 701 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:09,200 Speaker 2: very hard stage of life for really mostly women to 702 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:13,040 Speaker 2: accept truly, right, men have a midlife crisis and I'm 703 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,040 Speaker 2: being very binary and gendered here, you know. And they 704 00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,800 Speaker 2: get hair plugs and viagra and maybe a bomber jacket, 705 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:23,919 Speaker 2: a portion a new girlfriend. With women, it is much 706 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:28,520 Speaker 2: more complicated in terms of how we transcend the last 707 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,120 Speaker 2: version of ourselves, how we let go of who we 708 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,719 Speaker 2: were to become who we are. And I will tell 709 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:35,960 Speaker 2: you I spent all my time on what not to 710 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:40,080 Speaker 2: wear trying to get people to see themselves for who 711 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,600 Speaker 2: they are now. And that's really what I want to 712 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:46,840 Speaker 2: do with state of menopause. We want education, and product 713 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:50,600 Speaker 2: selection and community places where you can go to find 714 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:54,200 Speaker 2: out the best doctors in your area who first person 715 00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:58,080 Speaker 2: accounts of people who have experienced menopause in surgical or 716 00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,319 Speaker 2: medical when they were in their twenties, or people who 717 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,000 Speaker 2: experienced it late in their sixties. We want you to 718 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,719 Speaker 2: hear from physicians, We want you to hear from care practitioners. 719 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:12,120 Speaker 2: There are so many opportunities at this stage of life, right, 720 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,840 Speaker 2: And I think you said this so eloquently, emily, like 721 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,600 Speaker 2: some of the best ideas or some of the most 722 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:22,040 Speaker 2: incredible pivots start because we are in some sort of 723 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:25,319 Speaker 2: crisis ourselves that we need the kind of help that 724 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,759 Speaker 2: we then go out and create for other people. And 725 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,640 Speaker 2: that's certainly I think what's been the through line of 726 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:36,200 Speaker 2: my career. How can I make somebody see themselves in 727 00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,560 Speaker 2: a new light, in a better light, in a more 728 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:42,880 Speaker 2: anticipatory way for what's coming, instead of being afraid of 729 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,279 Speaker 2: what's coming, Right, We're always afraid of what's in the dark. 730 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,799 Speaker 2: And I always say that innovating from menopause is like 731 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,080 Speaker 2: innovating for the darkness. 732 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:51,200 Speaker 1: Right. 733 00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,759 Speaker 2: It's like if you don't know what's under the bed, 734 00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,400 Speaker 2: then it looks like a monster, then that's what you see. 735 00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:00,400 Speaker 2: But if you shine a flashlight, you're like, oh, dust bunnies, easy, 736 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:02,840 Speaker 2: I can take care of those. And that's what this 737 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,799 Speaker 2: is about. How do we give you more agency? How 738 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,520 Speaker 2: do we give you more agency over style? How do 739 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,000 Speaker 2: we give you more agency over wellness? How do we 740 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,839 Speaker 2: give you more agency so that you always feel like. 741 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,480 Speaker 1: You are in control of the narrative of your life? 742 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,919 Speaker 3: How do we turn that crisis into the midlife renaissance? 743 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,719 Speaker 2: I mean, I think it starts with acknowledging the crisis, right, 744 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:29,000 Speaker 2: if you fight that, which I really tried to do. 745 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,960 Speaker 2: I was like, I'm fine, I'm fine, I'm fine, I'm fine. 746 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,960 Speaker 2: The more that you kind of, you know, box yourself in, 747 00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,480 Speaker 2: I think the harder it becomes, and the more that 748 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:42,440 Speaker 2: you stay attached to whatever version of yourself you're holding 749 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:46,400 Speaker 2: onto so tightly, is probably what's going to keep you stuck. 750 00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:46,919 Speaker 1: Right. 751 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,360 Speaker 2: I really had to say, it's okay to feel like 752 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,960 Speaker 2: I'm in pain, It's okay to feel like this is hard. 753 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:58,320 Speaker 2: I think anytime that our perception of ourselves is attached 754 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:02,239 Speaker 2: to something that is past, we are doing ourselves a disservice. 755 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,000 Speaker 2: The renaissance is when you are like, come at me, 756 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,279 Speaker 2: let me have it, and really look. I didn't think 757 00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:12,640 Speaker 2: I was going to change careers until COVID, until I 758 00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,480 Speaker 2: was like, I am not getting anywhere. I do not 759 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,720 Speaker 2: want to talk about like what white blouse you should 760 00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,799 Speaker 2: buy this week. Something needs to mean more to me. 761 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:26,279 Speaker 2: And what was underneath style was more about concept of 762 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,160 Speaker 2: self and self confidence and self esteem and self love 763 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:33,520 Speaker 2: and self acceptance. And here I was in midlife destroying, 764 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:37,160 Speaker 2: like tearing myself apart, and I thought, I cannot be 765 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,040 Speaker 2: the only one who feels this way. If you are 766 00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:41,920 Speaker 2: feeling stuck, remember you are. 767 00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:43,719 Speaker 1: Not the only one. 768 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,520 Speaker 2: And the one thing again, I keep saying, and the 769 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,680 Speaker 2: one thing, the other thing, there's many things. Is that 770 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,360 Speaker 2: I invite you when you start to really do you 771 00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:55,600 Speaker 2: know if you do feel like you're in crisis, what 772 00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,239 Speaker 2: is your kernel of truth? Because it may not be 773 00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,240 Speaker 2: the thing that you think it is. It wasn't about 774 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,200 Speaker 2: style for me, That's not. 775 00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:06,560 Speaker 1: What it was. What not to wear was never about 776 00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,760 Speaker 1: the clothes. It was never about the clothes. 777 00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:13,880 Speaker 2: So for me, menopause, strangely enough, I call it the 778 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:17,120 Speaker 2: mercury and retrograde phase of life. It is the time 779 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:22,600 Speaker 2: to listen, to receive, to pause, to focus on your needs, 780 00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:27,040 Speaker 2: and then pivot, then decide how to move forward. 781 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,480 Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Stacy for coming You'll, thank you. 782 00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:31,680 Speaker 1: To jac Flee for Woman, to. 783 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,759 Speaker 3: Jay, Thank you guys so much, Thank you for Thank 784 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:41,360 Speaker 3: you so much everyone. Stacy is tirelessly worked to build 785 00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,960 Speaker 3: community and understanding about this new and dare I say, 786 00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:49,200 Speaker 3: exciting stage of light. She runs events with other like 787 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:54,000 Speaker 3: minded companies, embracing changing the narrative around women's health and wellness. 788 00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,239 Speaker 3: A New York City native, she lives in Brooklyn with 789 00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:01,040 Speaker 3: her partner Cat. Thanks for listening to this episode of 790 00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:04,439 Speaker 3: She Pivots, where I talk with women about how their 791 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:09,239 Speaker 3: experiences and significant personal events led to their pivot and 792 00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:14,640 Speaker 3: eventually their success. To learn more about Stacy, follow her 793 00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:19,080 Speaker 3: on Instagram at Stacy London Reel. Leave a rating and 794 00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:22,239 Speaker 3: comment if you enjoyed this episode to help others learn 795 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,360 Speaker 3: about it. A special thank you to our partner Marie 796 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:29,080 Speaker 3: Clare and the team that made this episode possible. Talk 797 00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:34,520 Speaker 3: to you next week. She Pivots is hosted by me 798 00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:39,520 Speaker 3: Emily Tish Sussman, produced by Emily eda Veloshik with sound 799 00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:43,280 Speaker 3: editing and mixing from Nina Pollock, and research and planning 800 00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,520 Speaker 3: for Christine Dickinson and Hannah Cousins. 801 00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:48,799 Speaker 1: I endorse she Pivots