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Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 2: Trum the combine in Indianapolis. We are back on Move

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Speaker 2: the Sticks with another episode.

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Speaker 1: Looking back at the top.

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Speaker 2: Performers from day two of on field work here at

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Speaker 2: Lucas Oil Stadium. Alongside Bucky Brooks, I am Ret Lewis

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Speaker 2: and well the linebackers, the edge rushers, and the defensive

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Speaker 2: tackles set the tone. Record setting day in terms of

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Speaker 2: fast and times, followed up by another record setting day

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Speaker 2: Bucky fastest group of corners, safeties and tight ends on

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Speaker 2: average that we have ever seen at the Common.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, really impressive group. We're talking about the defense first.

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Speaker 4: The corners and the safeties were terrific in terms of

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Speaker 4: their movement skills. I think I saw a stead where

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Speaker 4: we didn't see anyone run over at four to six,

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Speaker 4: which is crazy when we think about that position to

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Speaker 4: some of the guys that we've seen, and the safety

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Speaker 4: group in particular, the average time four to.

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Speaker 1: Four to two for safeties actually faster than the corners.

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Speaker 3: You never see that.

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Speaker 4: And when we think about the evolution of the game

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Speaker 4: and the way people are using safeties in so many

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Speaker 3: Man this speaks volumes today.

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Speaker 4: Athleticism det its own display in a defensive backfield.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no question. Also the jumps, like, my goodness, the

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Speaker 2: vertical jumps. The twenty twenty six defensive backs had an

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Speaker 2: average vertical jump of thirty seven point eight. That's the

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Speaker 2: third highest since two thousand and three and highest by

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Speaker 2: dB group since two thousand and six. I mean, like

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Speaker 2: we had tall guys jumping high, we had shorter guys

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Speaker 2: jumping high. We'll get into some of those jumps here

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Speaker 2: in just a little bit, and then we'll get into

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Speaker 2: the tight ends, who had another incredible group led by

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Speaker 2: Kenyon Sadik. That's all coming up here, but let's start

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Speaker 2: with the dvs, and I guess we just kind of

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Speaker 2: start by continuing to praise the Styles family bloodline. Sonny,

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Speaker 2: at two hundred and forty four pounds, runs four four

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Speaker 2: three forty fourth two seven Bucky, Mike, goodness, what are

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Speaker 3: Yeah no, that's great.

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Speaker 4: Mama talked to Stacy doll Dale and was very excited

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Speaker 4: about it. But former wide receiver turned defensive back to

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Speaker 4: go sub for three certainly helped his chances. He was

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Speaker 4: the guy that came in viewed as a late round prospect.

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Speaker 4: But what it does it puts him in that conversation

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Speaker 4: is someone that you're trying to find a role on

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Speaker 4: the special teams junis four. You just can't find guys

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Speaker 4: with that kind of speed, that kind of athleticism. So

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Speaker 4: Stiles certainly helped himself with his performance in India.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he was outstanding.

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Speaker 2: Lorenzo Styles is a name to know, certainly out of

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Speaker 2: this this safety group that's where he played for Ohio State.

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Speaker 2: And then obviously his buddy Caleb Downs didn't do a

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Speaker 2: terms of the safeties. And then when we get to

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Speaker 3: So before we get to the corners, I gotta talk

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Speaker 4: Yeah, like Dylan Denneman, just the rim just no, just

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Speaker 4: the fact that my guy comes in six foot two

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Speaker 3: And he was as advertised. I know, he went to

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Speaker 4: If you consider those guys arrivals still Perdue, he has

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Speaker 4: six interceptions as a freshman, led the team attack because

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Speaker 4: was already climbing up the charts. But this performance solidifies

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Speaker 4: himself as one of those guys that we're gonna talk

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Speaker 2: No, like he's a stut of a player. I mean,

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Speaker 2: You know, at Perdue, he's playing twenty five yards off

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Speaker 2: If he can find a system that really allows him

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Speaker 2: So he was. He was fantastic. Bud Clark again, though

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Speaker 3: Well, I would say that that was the most impressive part.

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Speaker 4: And even though his workout four four one thirty eight

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Speaker 3: The ball like he's been doing his entire life.

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Speaker 4: And I think that is important because it matches what

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Speaker 4: with how natural it is for him to pick it off.

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Speaker 4: But Clark helped himself, Deniman helped himself. I just like

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Speaker 4: the way that these guys are able to put it

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: A couple of guys also now as we get into

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Speaker 2: a shade under six foot three, both running in the

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Speaker 1: That's like, you know, old school Seattle Seahawks.

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Speaker 2: Drooling here, But anybody around the league is with that

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Speaker 2: they're not going to be considered the best in class

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Speaker 2: based off the tape, but making a nice case for himself.

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Speaker 4: I got to say, you Rick, going all the way

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Speaker 4: back to when I was scouting, we talked about this

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Speaker 4: how hard it is to find corners over six feet tall.

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Speaker 4: But now we're talking about all the guys that we're

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Speaker 3: These are all six foot or taller players.

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Speaker 4: Those supersized guys that you're referencing, they do fit that

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Speaker 4: old legion of boom model when you saw like a

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Speaker 4: in the athleticism that they just play, Teams are going

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Speaker 4: can play on the island, but they enhance what you

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Speaker 4: want to do special teams wise, these guys being able

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no question.

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Speaker 2: So those were you know, obviously some really fast times

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Speaker 3: And that's what the combine is for.

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Speaker 4: The combine is to force you just to go back

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Speaker 4: more credit for him running what he ran showing up

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Speaker 4: you watch the movement drills in those things. At least

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Speaker 4: the next level. Now it's about what do we need

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Speaker 2: So another couple of guys that kind of stood out

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Speaker 2: good to see him out here moving around really well

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Speaker 4: You know, and watching him on tay, he reminded me

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Speaker 4: seeing that in my nose, the biggest question I had

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Speaker 4: what is his speed?

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Speaker 3: What does he look like from a recovery speed standpoint? Well, man, when.

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Speaker 4: You're that's all and you put down a four to

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Speaker 4: it's just about the transitions. Can we get him to

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Speaker 4: athleticism in there, and when you look at the tape,

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Speaker 4: he has borderline first round potential. Now it's easier to

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Speaker 4: get excited about him and what it could do because

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Speaker 3: I like what I saw from him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no question.

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Speaker 2: Let's get into some of the jumpers from the combine.

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Speaker 4: This is why it matters because he measures in uh five,

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Speaker 4: Because the big question is if he gets matched up

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna tell you when you watch him on tape,

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Speaker 4: he might be the most natural and instinctive defensive back

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Speaker 4: that you'll see. His ability to play outside. His insects

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Speaker 3: He continues to check off boxes.

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Speaker 4: In terms of being an undersigned corner who can be

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Speaker 4: an outlier that vertical jump to go with his tape man,

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Speaker 4: he's gonna be in the conversation when we talk about

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Speaker 4: Day two second round corners.

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Speaker 3: I think he comes off the board before we get

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you on that as well, not

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Speaker 2: he is an extremely smart corner. I was talking to

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Speaker 2: just talking to him, like, Hey, give me a scouting report

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Speaker 2: on a best receiver he faced this year.

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Speaker 1: He's like, Oh, it's probably Carnell Tape.

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Speaker 2: He went for five minutes that was week one of

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Speaker 2: the season for the recall about what stuck in his

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the physical skills are one thing, but we talked

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Speaker 4: No, I mean the guys are so overwhelming. At the

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