WEBVTT - Pod Meets Twirl'd: Survivor 5001 PART 1 0:00:09.320 --> 0:00:13.000 Welcome to Pod Meets Twirl, a podcast that once chronicled 0:00:13.000 --> 0:00:15.320 two guys who had never seen Dancing with the Stars, 0:00:15.360 --> 0:00:19.640 but watched a season and somehow walked away experts. From there, 0:00:19.680 --> 0:00:22.119 we ventured into Traders, a show I'd never seen but 0:00:22.200 --> 0:00:25.239 Will swore he could win. And now we turned to 0:00:25.280 --> 0:00:29.080 Survivor season fifty, the Big One, and this time the 0:00:29.160 --> 0:00:32.559 roles are reversed. Will has seen exactly one season, the 0:00:32.600 --> 0:00:36.360 first one. Meanwhile, I've watched for years. We are Wilfordell, 0:00:36.520 --> 0:00:39.440 who prefers his wilderness with room service, and right or Strong, 0:00:39.640 --> 0:00:42.280 who will hike any mountain but hates the beach. Two 0:00:42.280 --> 0:00:45.880 best friends, one devoted to the comforts of civilization, one 0:00:45.880 --> 0:00:48.040 who would never leave the woods if he could. Both 0:00:48.360 --> 0:00:52.520 reality competition scholars join us as we dive into alliances, 0:00:52.680 --> 0:00:56.440 blind sides, fire making, sand related misery, and twenty five 0:00:56.520 --> 0:00:59.880 years of television history culminating in a single massive season. 0:01:00.240 --> 0:01:03.160 This is Pod Meets Twirled, Seeking Immunity. 0:01:04.440 --> 0:01:08.920 How you feeling, Will, I'm excited, cautiously excited, I guess, 0:01:09.080 --> 0:01:09.880 and you're. 0:01:09.720 --> 0:01:11.880 Completely right with what you said in your intro. 0:01:12.080 --> 0:01:14.440 As my wife often says, if I'm in the woods 0:01:14.440 --> 0:01:15.119 for three days. 0:01:15.160 --> 0:01:20.120 I've been dead for two of them. So yeah, but 0:01:20.200 --> 0:01:21.920 you grew up kind of didn't you camp when you 0:01:21.920 --> 0:01:23.040 were a kid? Oh? Every weekend. 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:25.360 I was in the woods every weekend growing up. I 0:01:25.400 --> 0:01:28.919 was a boy scout. I can start fires once. You 0:01:29.000 --> 0:01:29.920 were never going out. 0:01:30.160 --> 0:01:30.679 Hell no. 0:01:31.160 --> 0:01:33.240 Once you sit in a nice hot tub, you never 0:01:33.280 --> 0:01:34.959 want to have to scrounge for water again. 0:01:35.040 --> 0:01:37.039 Would you do like an r V? Would you do 0:01:37.160 --> 0:01:42.480 like a camper van? Yes, briefly and a big one. Right, 0:01:42.920 --> 0:01:44.560 But what is it that scares you or what is 0:01:44.600 --> 0:01:46.560 it that is it just a discomfort? Yes? 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:50.400 I like I like things like showers and hot water. 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:54.000 And yeah, you being on a mattress and shower. 0:01:53.880 --> 0:01:54.680 Like twice a day? 0:01:55.560 --> 0:01:55.960 Right? Yeah? 0:01:56.000 --> 0:01:58.600 At least wait, really like every every day you shower 0:01:58.640 --> 0:02:01.840 twice a day. At least you at least you have 0:02:01.840 --> 0:02:03.920 to keep in mind. I also work out twice a day. 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:06.000 So I wake up in the morning and I work 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:08.480 out and I do cardio or lift weights with with 0:02:08.520 --> 0:02:10.800 the trainer, and then at night I do cardio again. 0:02:10.840 --> 0:02:12.480 Do you shower after you poop? Are you one of 0:02:12.480 --> 0:02:12.919 those people? 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:15.440 No? God, no, I couldn't I be showering eleven times? 0:02:15.440 --> 0:02:16.840 A day with my stomach. 0:02:16.840 --> 0:02:17.400 Are you kidding? 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:21.160 I'm a I'm a prodigious pooper. My friend, very healthy body, 0:02:21.639 --> 0:02:25.560 that prodigious pooper, Wilde, I am. 0:02:25.960 --> 0:02:32.200 I've got a very healthy scholar and prodigious pooper. Okay, 0:02:32.200 --> 0:02:35.160 So it's not about it's not about like the animals 0:02:35.480 --> 0:02:38.360 or fear of the woods or exposure to the element. 0:02:38.400 --> 0:02:41.080 I don't mind. But hugs, I don't mind. Uh you know, 0:02:41.200 --> 0:02:43.240 Oh a bear is gonna get me. I'm not scared 0:02:43.280 --> 0:02:46.880 of the woods. I just I like being comfortable and 0:02:46.919 --> 0:02:49.600 I like not having to you know, again, there's a 0:02:49.720 --> 0:02:53.040 novelty to that stuff. I get, no like I feel 0:02:53.040 --> 0:02:56.680 like with you, there's a piece to it and almost 0:02:56.720 --> 0:02:59.679 a philosophy to it which is completely and totally lost 0:02:59.720 --> 0:03:04.040 on me, the idea that I'm getting in touch with nature. 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:06.120 And yeah, that doesn't do anything for you nothing. 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:09.360 See. I think that there's something so profound that happens 0:03:09.400 --> 0:03:12.960 when you look at an amazing stars, you know, like 0:03:13.040 --> 0:03:15.519 sky filled with stars or I've. 0:03:15.360 --> 0:03:19.360 Got telescopes put him right outside, right next to the awe, 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:20.680 in the face of nature. 0:03:21.280 --> 0:03:24.120 That is really important to me. And that and I 0:03:24.200 --> 0:03:27.800 feel like is even better when it's slightly earned in 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:30.640 other words, like you get high to it, to it 0:03:31.400 --> 0:03:36.040 and and and there's there's something terrifying, genuinely terrifying to 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:39.400 me about the solitude of the woods that, in that terror, 0:03:40.000 --> 0:03:43.280 actually makes me feel good, Like I feel like I 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:48.040 am somehow closer to reality or like closer to the 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:49.560 real nature of things. Does that make sense? 0:03:49.560 --> 0:03:51.040 Are you one of those people where it's like the 0:03:51.080 --> 0:03:53.720 closer you get to tasting death is really makes you 0:03:53.760 --> 0:03:54.640 feel like you're alive. 0:03:54.720 --> 0:03:57.640 Oh, I guess I need to do and a motorcycle. 0:03:57.880 --> 0:04:00.400 I don't want that. No, it's more about the like, 0:04:01.000 --> 0:04:03.320 you know, the the slight panic that comes from like 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:05.440 being alone in the woods looking around and being like, yeah, 0:04:05.440 --> 0:04:06.920 if I ran into a bear, it would it would 0:04:06.960 --> 0:04:08.760 just kill me. And it's not it's not because the 0:04:08.800 --> 0:04:12.040 world's an evil place. It's because the world is just 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:15.240 a place where things happen, and you are a physical 0:04:15.280 --> 0:04:17.919 body in it. That as much as we like to 0:04:17.920 --> 0:04:20.440 think of ourselves as important, we're not, And that that 0:04:20.520 --> 0:04:23.880 feeling of like not being important is really profound to me, 0:04:23.920 --> 0:04:26.560 and I I cherish it even though it scares me right, 0:04:26.640 --> 0:04:28.200 Like I want to be important. I want to be 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:31.000 the center of my own movie. And getting into the 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:33.800 woods is a sort of shortcut to that sense of 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:37.479 inconsequence of your own life. And I think that that's 0:04:37.600 --> 0:04:38.640 healthy and fun. 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:42.000 And I like to sit at home knowing how important 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:44.240 I am. That's that's that's what I. 0:04:44.200 --> 0:04:47.440 Like, watching your own TV show, watching You like to 0:04:47.440 --> 0:04:52.279 sit at home watching Boy Mets World. You all the time, 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:57.360 and Susan's next to you applauded, You're amazing. 0:04:58.560 --> 0:04:58.640 No. 0:04:58.800 --> 0:05:00.520 As a kid, I did all that stuff by Heights 0:05:00.520 --> 0:05:04.080 Mount Washington, and we camped every weekend. I would get 0:05:04.080 --> 0:05:06.440 home from school and we all had We were without 0:05:06.560 --> 0:05:09.159 the karate or being cool in any way, shape or form. 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:11.320 My couple friends and I in seventh and eighth grade, 0:05:11.480 --> 0:05:13.640 we were like Johnny from Karate Kid. We all had 0:05:13.640 --> 0:05:16.039 dirt bikes. We built a track in the woods. We 0:05:16.040 --> 0:05:17.800 were in the woods every weekend. 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:18.360 We loved it. 0:05:18.720 --> 0:05:21.680 There's a we found an old band in Chicken Coop 0:05:21.720 --> 0:05:23.760 and we spent every weekend and all the weeks we 0:05:23.800 --> 0:05:26.120 had off like rebuilding it into this great fort we had. 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:27.760 I mean, I loved the woods and stuff like that. 0:05:27.960 --> 0:05:29.400 But then I got to a point where I'm like, Okay, 0:05:29.440 --> 0:05:31.839 I don't. I don't need to do that anymore, and 0:05:31.839 --> 0:05:34.200 I'm not gonna there's no I find no peace in it. 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:37.520 So there's no active like, oh, this is the best 0:05:37.560 --> 0:05:39.080 thing in the world. I get to go and be 0:05:39.160 --> 0:05:41.120 in the woods by myself. Like no, I'd rather go 0:05:41.200 --> 0:05:43.799 have a nice massage somewhere and get a nice meal 0:05:44.040 --> 0:05:45.560 and watch a show and go to sleep in. 0:05:45.480 --> 0:05:48.560 A nice band. And now you have you watched the 0:05:48.560 --> 0:05:50.839 one season of Survivor, the very first one, but you 0:05:50.920 --> 0:05:54.640 have watched Alone, another Survivor reality. Yeah several times. 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:57.120 Okay, we've seen a bunch of episodes of Alone, and 0:05:57.120 --> 0:05:59.679 now that is way more badass than this, way. 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:02.280 More bad ass. And yeah, that one is, yeah that 0:06:02.400 --> 0:06:05.680 you know, that one is true survivalist skills and they 0:06:05.720 --> 0:06:08.840 have to carry their own camera gear. They are truly alone. Yep, 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:14.640 it's hardcore. And you see that that Actually the survival skills, 0:06:15.279 --> 0:06:18.680 which are difficult but are manageable. The real thing is 0:06:18.720 --> 0:06:21.279 the loneliness, right, Like to watch people start to go 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:24.520 crazy being in the wilderness by themselves after you know, 0:06:24.640 --> 0:06:26.039 thirty days or whatever. 0:06:25.839 --> 0:06:28.200 That would be the easiest part for me by far, 0:06:28.920 --> 0:06:31.000 do you think so? Really, dude, I was alone in 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:34.240 my house by myself with my anxiety for like seven years. 0:06:34.279 --> 0:06:37.839 I didn't see anybody, So being alone, I was able 0:06:37.880 --> 0:06:41.480 to completely compartmentalize the difference between See. That's why the 0:06:41.520 --> 0:06:45.200 show is called alone and not loneliness, right, because being 0:06:45.240 --> 0:06:47.679 alone and being lonely were two very different things. 0:06:47.760 --> 0:06:50.960 I love being alone. I almost never get lonely really. 0:06:51.040 --> 0:06:53.880 Even now now that's a little different because I have Susan. 0:06:53.960 --> 0:06:57.520 Yeah without Susan, like yeah, yeah, twelve year and I 0:06:57.520 --> 0:06:58.279 want to be twice. 0:06:58.400 --> 0:07:00.240 Yeah, you're talking about your mid twenties when you were sire. Well, 0:07:00.279 --> 0:07:02.640 I I think it would be very different now, because 0:07:02.680 --> 0:07:04.440 that's what you say is like on that there was 0:07:04.480 --> 0:07:07.000 one season of Alone where this guy was doing great. 0:07:07.040 --> 0:07:11.360 He even made like his own the toy wifim out 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:13.600 of here going home, and they're like, dude. 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:15.800 Are you see Like he locked up his fake garage 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:17.680 that he had built and every like going home. 0:07:17.800 --> 0:07:21.600 Yeah. The best on that show are the ones that 0:07:21.800 --> 0:07:25.000 have either just been through divorce or or they they 0:07:25.040 --> 0:07:26.960 need the money so bad. I said, they have something 0:07:27.120 --> 0:07:29.760 so important that they were like, and they're doing it 0:07:29.760 --> 0:07:31.680 for somebody else that they're just going to do it there. 0:07:31.920 --> 0:07:33.680 I remember that that one season where the guy built 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:37.200 rock rock House, Yes, and he was eating and soon 0:07:37.200 --> 0:07:38.120 and I looked at each other and he. 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:40.640 Saved he he killed the. 0:07:42.640 --> 0:07:44.920 Muscock and then and then he's eating the stomach and 0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:47.280 we looked at each other like, Okay, when you're eating 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:49.880 warm contents of muscogs, no. 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:51.840 One's gonna beat that guy. He's going to eat his 0:07:51.840 --> 0:07:53.720 own leg before he leaves. No one's going to beat 0:07:53.720 --> 0:07:56.480 that guy. And he dug a fire pit too, right, 0:07:56.480 --> 0:07:57.920 like he dug he dug. 0:07:57.800 --> 0:07:59.560 It's called it was called rock House where the whole 0:07:59.600 --> 0:08:01.280 thing was made of stoney, found the cave and then 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:02.400 built everything around it. 0:08:02.440 --> 0:08:04.200 And so I mean, you're not going to beat that dude. 0:08:04.240 --> 0:08:05.200 It's just not going to happen. 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:07.680 Whereas Sue always says, I would have tapped out on 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:10.160 the on the boat right over yea where I would 0:08:10.160 --> 0:08:11.480 have literally been on the phone and the guy, the 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:13.080 producer's phone would have rung and he would be like, 0:08:13.120 --> 0:08:15.040 I'm standing next to you, like, yeah, I'm tapping out, 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:17.840 turn around and tapping out. But it wouldn't be from loneliness. 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:20.560 It would have been probably from boredom more than anything else. 0:08:20.880 --> 0:08:24.600 Well, so survivor. You know, it's having watched most of 0:08:24.640 --> 0:08:27.240 the seasons, I have to In are some of our 0:08:27.280 --> 0:08:31.360 promotional material for this season. It said on the social 0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:33.360 medias that I had seen every season. I actually haven't 0:08:33.360 --> 0:08:37.120 watched every season. What what's happened is I started watching 0:08:37.120 --> 0:08:40.640 it when my wife was pregnant and we started devouring 0:08:40.640 --> 0:08:42.679 every season, and then I watch it with my son 0:08:42.840 --> 0:08:45.960 and her. Now the problem is they watch it sometimes 0:08:45.960 --> 0:08:48.360 when I'm out of town, so I've missed either half 0:08:48.360 --> 0:08:51.200 of a season or I know they that's not allowed. 0:08:51.400 --> 0:08:53.439 I know, but well I couldn't, you know, hold them 0:08:53.440 --> 0:08:55.800 back from what you know, the season without me and 0:08:55.800 --> 0:08:59.120 then I'll jump in. I So it's a little confusing, 0:08:59.160 --> 0:09:02.600 and it's been especially confusing coming into this season fifty 0:09:02.640 --> 0:09:05.280 because there's a lot of people that I do know 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:08.240 or a scene, but I can't remember what they did 0:09:08.280 --> 0:09:11.199 in their season because in part sometimes I didn't finish 0:09:11.200 --> 0:09:14.079 the season in or I only came in fifty seasons. 0:09:14.120 --> 0:09:16.600 How could anybody remember what everybody did in every single 0:09:16.679 --> 0:09:29.439 I know, it's it's a lot. 0:09:32.040 --> 0:09:34.360 Do you have a favorite from the season, whether they 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:36.240 wont or not. Do you have a favorite Survivor that 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:37.520 was your favorite the whole time. 0:09:37.640 --> 0:09:40.680 Ozzy's just the man, the guy who's in this one. Yes, 0:09:41.160 --> 0:09:44.439 he's the best of all time. Is Ozzie's not Coach, 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:45.760 No coaches. 0:09:45.840 --> 0:09:48.000 No. Ozzy is the guy who looks like the drummer 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:50.679 from a Okay, yeah, he looks like the drummer from Total. 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:54.960 He is by far the best survivalist ever on Survivor. 0:09:55.320 --> 0:09:57.360 He like, y oh, yeah, he's I think I told 0:09:57.360 --> 0:09:59.520 you about him. He's the guy who like will fish 0:09:59.840 --> 0:10:03.600 for everybody. That's yes, dude, did you notice he already 0:10:03.600 --> 0:10:10.000 found like that. He provides for everybody. He is and 0:10:10.040 --> 0:10:11.760 he's never won. He's been on the show I think 0:10:11.800 --> 0:10:15.040 four or five times, and he's the nicest guy. His 0:10:15.200 --> 0:10:18.520 problem is he gets too cocky and he thinks that 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:21.960 by being providing for everybody that they won't stab him 0:10:22.000 --> 0:10:23.680 in the back, and they always alway. 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:27.400 He's the one who had a problem with Coach, who 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:29.720 I guess said that it was because of him the 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:31.080 coach didn't win a million dollars. 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:34.520 Coach is my the villain that I love to hate. Coach. 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:37.800 He's a villain. Knowing nothing about this, I thought everybody 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:41.080 coaches first season, So what happened coaches first season? And 0:10:41.160 --> 0:10:43.240 some people do love him, but it's mostly because they 0:10:43.480 --> 0:10:46.880 have mixed feelings about him because he's a very good player, 0:10:47.280 --> 0:10:51.080 but he's also very socially manipulative. There's the season that 0:10:51.200 --> 0:10:54.120 really turned me against him, which I believe was his 0:10:54.200 --> 0:10:58.280 first season. He was on a tribe with somebody. I'm 0:10:58.280 --> 0:11:01.160 blanking on this guy's name, but this guy was not 0:11:01.640 --> 0:11:08.360 very stable mentally and very religious, and Coach made a 0:11:08.360 --> 0:11:11.960 partnership with this guy and like four other people and 0:11:12.120 --> 0:11:14.200 said we're gonna go all the way to the end. 0:11:14.280 --> 0:11:16.280 Like day one, he was like, the best, the only 0:11:16.320 --> 0:11:18.920 way to win this game is if we never break alliances. 0:11:19.040 --> 0:11:23.800 And then this guy was really off his rocker and 0:11:23.880 --> 0:11:27.240 like targeting women because they were enticing him, you know, 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:30.360 like saying like that woman is a is sent here 0:11:30.400 --> 0:11:33.400 from Satan and because she's dressing and you're like, dude, 0:11:33.400 --> 0:11:34.960 you're just attracted to her. Let it go. It's not 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:38.959 her fault. And Coach didn't draw the line and say like, oh, 0:11:39.000 --> 0:11:41.679 this guy is probably He instead leaned into it, used 0:11:41.679 --> 0:11:45.120 religiosity to keep them tighter and said, let's all pray 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:48.640 before every challenge. Is and I find that really despicable. 0:11:48.920 --> 0:11:51.040 And he agreed. He made it to the end. He 0:11:51.080 --> 0:11:52.559 made it to the end. He did not win. The 0:11:52.640 --> 0:11:55.240 jury did not get him. It was a woman who 0:11:55.600 --> 0:11:58.240 also just sort of attached herself to him, knowing that 0:11:58.280 --> 0:11:59.840 he might get to the end, and she was smart 0:11:59.840 --> 0:12:03.080 and you want but that's always turned me against coach. 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:05.800 He's he's manipulative and he I think he crossed the 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:08.480 line there, you know, going too far into like using 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:12.120 religion to rally this team of people on his side. 0:12:12.160 --> 0:12:14.080 They did very well though, they want and he and 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:15.920 by sticking with that group of five, because it is 0:12:15.960 --> 0:12:18.360 true if you have a group of five and you never, 0:12:18.440 --> 0:12:20.640 no matter what, turn on each other, you can make 0:12:20.679 --> 0:12:22.880 it all the way to the end pretty much, especially 0:12:22.920 --> 0:12:25.560 back in those days. Now it's gotten more complicated because 0:12:25.559 --> 0:12:27.520 of the rules that they've introduced with advantages. 0:12:27.720 --> 0:12:29.120 Well, this is what I want to talk to you about, 0:12:29.160 --> 0:12:31.800 because there's there's basic things that I as somebody who 0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:33.960 didn't watch your vivor that I don't know. And since 0:12:33.960 --> 0:12:36.160 I watched the first season, all I remember is naked guy. 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:38.439 That's all I remember. And I actually remember the girl 0:12:38.440 --> 0:12:40.520 from this one, Jenna I think her name was I 0:12:40.559 --> 0:12:44.480 remember that. So first of all, what is you're talking 0:12:44.480 --> 0:12:48.160 about new rules? So what is the new era? 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:52.600 I actually don't know that distinctions technically. I believe there 0:12:52.679 --> 0:12:54.640 was a it was it was a shift in the 0:12:54.679 --> 0:12:58.600 way the game. I don't know technically, but yeah, So 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:00.839 I honestly I had this same question. I was sort 0:13:00.840 --> 0:13:03.240 of like, okay, one of our parisiers could jump in 0:13:03.760 --> 0:13:06.439 the thought. But I believe it has something to do. 0:13:08.040 --> 0:13:12.440 I believe the problem with Survivor when it started was 0:13:12.480 --> 0:13:15.320 that the men would dominate the entire first half of 0:13:15.360 --> 0:13:19.720 the game because they were The challenges were so physical, right, 0:13:19.800 --> 0:13:23.520 and the men would end up winning, and so women 0:13:23.600 --> 0:13:27.000 were getting eliminated like just you know, even the first 0:13:27.040 --> 0:13:31.800 couple rounds and challenges. And so I believe at some 0:13:31.880 --> 0:13:34.920 point they decided to institute more puzzles and to make 0:13:34.960 --> 0:13:37.800 the social learn more. Yeah, so it wasn't just and 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:40.800 then because at a certain point, you know, if your 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:45.800 tribe is losing, you just decimated. There's like one person left. 0:13:45.840 --> 0:13:48.000 And what was ended up happening is people would never 0:13:48.080 --> 0:13:50.199 want to vote their big powerful men off, so they 0:13:50.320 --> 0:13:53.120 would they would just keep winning with their men and 0:13:53.240 --> 0:13:55.480 vote the women off. So I believe the new era 0:13:55.559 --> 0:13:57.600 has something to do with that shift, because the game 0:13:57.679 --> 0:14:00.160 is way more balanced now in terms of like the 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:03.120 teamwork involves like a puzzle always or some sort of 0:14:03.200 --> 0:14:08.280 like throwing challenge that doesn't need brute strength or physical ability. 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:11.720 It's much more balanced. And then also this, you know, 0:14:11.760 --> 0:14:14.280 when it gets to the individual challenges, a lot of 0:14:14.320 --> 0:14:19.120 the challenges are physically tough, but they're often about perseverance 0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:21.640 in your own strength, like with your own body. In 0:14:21.680 --> 0:14:24.960 other words, you're like beholding on holding onto something just 0:14:24.960 --> 0:14:27.680 by your fingertips, and it's like it's your own weight, 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:29.000 do you know what I mean. So it's not like 0:14:29.040 --> 0:14:32.240 it's like it's vary to the person. It's not like 0:14:32.280 --> 0:14:34.680 we all have to lift the same amount or whatever. 0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:37.400 It's like it's all scale to you. So it's really 0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:40.800 about challenging to yourself. So yeah, I believe that has 0:14:40.840 --> 0:14:42.600 something to do with a new era or the old era. 0:14:43.320 --> 0:14:45.520 So here's the thing that I find I think is 0:14:45.560 --> 0:14:46.200 a big mistake. 0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:48.600 You should never start a new season of a show 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:51.880 assuming everybody that watches the show has seen it before. Yeah, 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:53.400 so one thing this did not explain to me in 0:14:53.440 --> 0:14:54.840 any way, shape or form, which I have no idea, 0:14:54.840 --> 0:14:56.280 is what the does an idol do? 0:14:56.480 --> 0:14:59.320 Okay, So an idol protects you at tribal So if 0:14:59.440 --> 0:15:02.240 you can't be voted out and voted out, but you 0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:06.040 only play it after everyone's voted, so essentially they're wasting 0:15:06.080 --> 0:15:09.840 their vote. And so if you feel like everybody's going 0:15:09.880 --> 0:15:11.800 to vote for you and they don't know you have 0:15:11.840 --> 0:15:14.360 an idol, or only certain people on your team, on 0:15:14.360 --> 0:15:16.280 your tribe know you have an idol, you could then 0:15:16.360 --> 0:15:19.440 bust the after the vote, you say hey, I'm playing 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:21.720 this idol, and then the person who gets the next 0:15:21.800 --> 0:15:23.960 level of votes is the one out. So it can 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:26.600 be a real turnover. So they have to they have 0:15:26.600 --> 0:15:29.160 to always be suspicious that somebody is playing the game 0:15:29.160 --> 0:15:31.120 with an idol in their pocket. And that's why like 0:15:31.200 --> 0:15:33.680 Ozzie got voted with, he got voted out with an 0:15:33.680 --> 0:15:36.000 idol in his pocket because he didn't he didn't play it, 0:15:36.040 --> 0:15:38.720 which happens often people will just be so trusting of 0:15:38.760 --> 0:15:41.280 their team. The team might know they have an idol, 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:43.720 convince them, oh no, we're not voting for you tonight, 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:46.560 blindside that person, and then they walk out with the 0:15:46.600 --> 0:15:49.080 idol in their pocket, so you can be voted out. 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:50.360 Even if you have an idol, you have to just 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:53.760 for you ever, yes, you have to play it at 0:15:53.840 --> 0:15:57.560 after the vote is but before it's before they replay it, yes, 0:15:57.600 --> 0:15:59.360 before they read it. And then you have things like 0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:02.680 multiple idols, like people will play I'm playing an idol 0:16:02.720 --> 0:16:04.880 and you're like okay, and then the other person who's 0:16:05.000 --> 0:16:06.280 like the next in the line will be like, I'm 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:08.240 also playing an idol. You're like, oh my god, and 0:16:08.240 --> 0:16:10.920 it'll go down. They've had like tons of weird things 0:16:10.920 --> 0:16:13.800 like that. The main thing with idols is that if 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:17.800 it's if it's played, or if it leaves the game 0:16:17.840 --> 0:16:20.280 because it's in their pocket, it gets hidden again on 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:20.760 the island. 0:16:21.280 --> 0:16:24.120 And are these always hidden or are there are? Do 0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:25.800 you ever win one? When you win? 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:28.800 It's changed every season you got you don't. Yeah, you 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:31.560 win when you're Yeah, you win immunity through the challenges, 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:33.120 either as a tribe or when they get to the 0:16:33.160 --> 0:16:36.680 individual game, you individually win immunity. But yeah, the idols 0:16:36.680 --> 0:16:39.120 are and there have been seasons with no idols, and 0:16:39.160 --> 0:16:41.360 then there have been seasons where you get clues that 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:43.600 can lead you to an idol, and then you have 0:16:43.880 --> 0:16:46.280 weird rules like this time they have that boomerang idol 0:16:46.280 --> 0:16:51.720 that got introduced. Yeah, the game is you know, it's. 0:16:52.560 --> 0:16:54.160 Oh my god, I just realized if you take your 0:16:54.160 --> 0:16:57.720 middle name out, it's literally a billy idol. How did 0:16:57.720 --> 0:16:59.200 nobody else pick that up that it's. 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:03.080 A billy idol? I got it. Yeah, it's a complicated game, 0:17:03.280 --> 0:17:07.560 and yeah, it's pretty manipulative in terms of like how 0:17:07.560 --> 0:17:10.440 the rules change season to season. You know, they're they're 0:17:10.480 --> 0:17:13.880 they're ultimately going to go for the best television and 0:17:13.920 --> 0:17:15.600 there have been times when you're you can tell that 0:17:15.640 --> 0:17:18.280 they're kind of tilting the challenges to sort of favor 0:17:18.320 --> 0:17:22.400 a certain person or to give certain But yeah, it's 0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:24.960 it's a it's a tricky game. The main thing is, 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:29.399 you know, the three the three rules, outwit, outlast, and outplay. 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:31.359 So those are the three things you really you you 0:17:31.359 --> 0:17:35.600 know you that you you want to outwit your fellow players, 0:17:35.800 --> 0:17:37.800 you know, because you're gonna have to eventually be voting 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:40.600 against each other, even if they're on your tribe or 0:17:40.640 --> 0:17:43.320 working against another tribe. In the in the early half 0:17:43.359 --> 0:17:47.320 of the game, let's see outlast obviously, just surviving and severe. 0:17:47.600 --> 0:17:47.800 Yeah. 0:17:47.880 --> 0:17:49.760 One of the Outwit Outlast out play is that it. 0:17:50.000 --> 0:18:04.720 Yeah, that's it. 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:07.199 What's been interesting for me is, like going back to 0:18:07.240 --> 0:18:09.600 the early seasons, there was a lot of emphasis put 0:18:09.640 --> 0:18:13.200 on the actual survival factor, like how they got food, right, 0:18:13.240 --> 0:18:17.240 if that's what I remember, building fires, stuff like that. 0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:20.680 That has really for the large part been edited out. 0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:23.880 Now the game is now, I mean, I think people's 0:18:23.920 --> 0:18:27.400 psychological stuff. It's all the social stuff because they are 0:18:27.440 --> 0:18:29.320 still doing all the physical stuff. I mean, you see 0:18:29.320 --> 0:18:30.920 in this one they figure out how to make a fire, 0:18:31.080 --> 0:18:33.560 which was great, and you're still having to build shelters. 0:18:33.560 --> 0:18:36.239 You see them working hard. They're just not focusing on 0:18:36.280 --> 0:18:38.879 that in the editing at all anymore. So it's really 0:18:39.000 --> 0:18:41.680 just about who's partnering with who, who's going with who, 0:18:41.880 --> 0:18:44.119 And then the challenge is becoming the sort of showdown 0:18:44.359 --> 0:18:48.320 and the immunity the tribals to be like the reveal 0:18:48.359 --> 0:18:52.280 of what's actually going to happen, So you don't get 0:18:52.320 --> 0:18:54.439 like there would be whole seasons where you'd just be 0:18:54.440 --> 0:18:57.119 listening to people complaining about how hungry they were or 0:18:57.160 --> 0:19:00.120 that they were cold, and you don't get that much anymore. 0:19:00.119 --> 0:19:01.760 And I don't know how much of that is because 0:19:01.920 --> 0:19:03.800 it's not as hard as it used to be because 0:19:04.000 --> 0:19:07.840