1 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: Welcome to Pod Meets Twirl, a podcast that once chronicled 2 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:15,320 Speaker 1: two guys who had never seen Dancing with the Stars, 3 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 1: but watched a season and somehow walked away experts. From there, 4 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:22,119 Speaker 1: we ventured into Traders, a show I'd never seen but 5 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 1: Will swore he could win. And now we turned to 6 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 1: Survivor season fifty, the Big One, and this time the 7 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:32,559 Speaker 1: roles are reversed. Will has seen exactly one season, the 8 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: first one. Meanwhile, I've watched for years. We are Wilfordell, 9 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: who prefers his wilderness with room service, and right or Strong, 10 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 1: who will hike any mountain but hates the beach. Two 11 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:45,880 Speaker 1: best friends, one devoted to the comforts of civilization, one 12 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: who would never leave the woods if he could. Both 13 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:52,520 Speaker 1: reality competition scholars join us as we dive into alliances, 14 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 1: blind sides, fire making, sand related misery, and twenty five 15 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: years of television history culminating in a single massive season. 16 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 1: This is Pod Meets Twirled, Seeking Immunity. 17 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 2: How you feeling, Will, I'm excited, cautiously excited, I guess, 18 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 2: and you're. 19 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: Completely right with what you said in your intro. 20 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 2: As my wife often says, if I'm in the woods 21 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:15,119 Speaker 2: for three days. 22 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 1: I've been dead for two of them. So yeah, but 23 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 1: you grew up kind of didn't you camp when you 24 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:23,040 Speaker 1: were a kid? Oh? Every weekend. 25 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 2: I was in the woods every weekend growing up. I 26 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:28,919 Speaker 2: was a boy scout. I can start fires once. You 27 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 2: were never going out. 28 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 1: Hell no. 29 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 2: Once you sit in a nice hot tub, you never 30 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 2: want to have to scrounge for water again. 31 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:37,039 Speaker 1: Would you do like an r V? Would you do 32 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 1: like a camper van? Yes, briefly and a big one. Right, 33 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: But what is it that scares you or what is 34 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 1: it that is it just a discomfort? Yes? 35 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 2: I like I like things like showers and hot water. 36 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 2: And yeah, you being on a mattress and shower. 37 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: Like twice a day? 38 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 2: Right? Yeah? 39 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: At least wait, really like every every day you shower 40 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: twice a day. At least you at least you have 41 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: to keep in mind. I also work out twice a day. 42 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 2: So I wake up in the morning and I work 43 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 2: out and I do cardio or lift weights with with 44 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 2: the trainer, and then at night I do cardio again. 45 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: Do you shower after you poop? Are you one of 46 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 1: those people? 47 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 2: No? God, no, I couldn't I be showering eleven times? 48 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 2: A day with my stomach. 49 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 3: Are you kidding? 50 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 2: I'm a I'm a prodigious pooper. My friend, very healthy body, 51 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 2: that prodigious pooper, Wilde, I am. 52 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: I've got a very healthy scholar and prodigious pooper. Okay, 53 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: So it's not about it's not about like the animals 54 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 1: or fear of the woods or exposure to the element. 55 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 2: I don't mind. But hugs, I don't mind. Uh you know, 56 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 2: Oh a bear is gonna get me. I'm not scared 57 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 2: of the woods. I just I like being comfortable and 58 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 2: I like not having to you know, again, there's a 59 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 2: novelty to that stuff. I get, no like I feel 60 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 2: like with you, there's a piece to it and almost 61 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:59,679 Speaker 2: a philosophy to it which is completely and totally lost 62 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 2: on me, the idea that I'm getting in touch with nature. 63 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 2: And yeah, that doesn't do anything for you nothing. 64 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 1: See. I think that there's something so profound that happens 65 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 1: when you look at an amazing stars, you know, like 66 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:15,519 Speaker 1: sky filled with stars or I've. 67 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 2: Got telescopes put him right outside, right next to the awe, 68 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 2: in the face of nature. 69 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 1: That is really important to me. And that and I 70 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 1: feel like is even better when it's slightly earned in 71 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 1: other words, like you get high to it, to it 72 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: and and and there's there's something terrifying, genuinely terrifying to 73 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: me about the solitude of the woods that, in that terror, 74 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: actually makes me feel good, Like I feel like I 75 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: am somehow closer to reality or like closer to the 76 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: real nature of things. Does that make sense? 77 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 2: Are you one of those people where it's like the 78 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 2: closer you get to tasting death is really makes you 79 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 2: feel like you're alive. 80 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: Oh, I guess I need to do and a motorcycle. 81 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: I don't want that. No, it's more about the like, 82 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: you know, the the slight panic that comes from like 83 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: being alone in the woods looking around and being like, yeah, 84 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: if I ran into a bear, it would it would 85 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: just kill me. And it's not it's not because the 86 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: world's an evil place. It's because the world is just 87 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: a place where things happen, and you are a physical 88 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:17,919 Speaker 1: body in it. That as much as we like to 89 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: think of ourselves as important, we're not, And that that 90 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: feeling of like not being important is really profound to me, 91 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: and I I cherish it even though it scares me right, 92 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 1: Like I want to be important. I want to be 93 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: the center of my own movie. And getting into the 94 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 1: woods is a sort of shortcut to that sense of 95 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:37,479 Speaker 1: inconsequence of your own life. And I think that that's 96 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 1: healthy and fun. 97 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 2: And I like to sit at home knowing how important 98 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 2: I am. That's that's that's what I. 99 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: Like, watching your own TV show, watching You like to 100 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 1: sit at home watching Boy Mets World. You all the time, 101 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 1: and Susan's next to you applauded, You're amazing. 102 00:04:58,560 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 3: No. 103 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 2: As a kid, I did all that stuff by Heights 104 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 2: Mount Washington, and we camped every weekend. I would get 105 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 2: home from school and we all had We were without 106 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,159 Speaker 2: the karate or being cool in any way, shape or form. 107 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 2: My couple friends and I in seventh and eighth grade, 108 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 2: we were like Johnny from Karate Kid. We all had 109 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:16,039 Speaker 2: dirt bikes. We built a track in the woods. We 110 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 2: were in the woods every weekend. 111 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 1: We loved it. 112 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 2: There's a we found an old band in Chicken Coop 113 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 2: and we spent every weekend and all the weeks we 114 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 2: had off like rebuilding it into this great fort we had. 115 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 2: I mean, I loved the woods and stuff like that. 116 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 2: But then I got to a point where I'm like, Okay, 117 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 2: I don't. I don't need to do that anymore, and 118 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna there's no I find no peace in it. 119 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 2: So there's no active like, oh, this is the best 120 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 2: thing in the world. I get to go and be 121 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 2: in the woods by myself. Like no, I'd rather go 122 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:43,799 Speaker 2: have a nice massage somewhere and get a nice meal 123 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 2: and watch a show and go to sleep in. 124 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: A nice band. And now you have you watched the 125 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 1: one season of Survivor, the very first one, but you 126 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: have watched Alone, another Survivor reality. Yeah several times. 127 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 2: Okay, we've seen a bunch of episodes of Alone, and 128 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,679 Speaker 2: now that is way more badass than this, way. 129 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:02,280 Speaker 1: More bad ass. And yeah, that one is, yeah that 130 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 1: you know, that one is true survivalist skills and they 131 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,840 Speaker 1: have to carry their own camera gear. They are truly alone. Yep, 132 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: it's hardcore. And you see that that Actually the survival skills, 133 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: which are difficult but are manageable. The real thing is 134 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 1: the loneliness, right, Like to watch people start to go 135 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: crazy being in the wilderness by themselves after you know, 136 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:26,039 Speaker 1: thirty days or whatever. 137 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 2: That would be the easiest part for me by far, 138 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 2: do you think so? Really, dude, I was alone in 139 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 2: my house by myself with my anxiety for like seven years. 140 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:37,839 Speaker 2: I didn't see anybody, So being alone, I was able 141 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 2: to completely compartmentalize the difference between See. That's why the 142 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 2: show is called alone and not loneliness, right, because being 143 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:47,679 Speaker 2: alone and being lonely were two very different things. 144 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: I love being alone. I almost never get lonely really. 145 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: Even now now that's a little different because I have Susan. 146 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 2: Yeah without Susan, like yeah, yeah, twelve year and I 147 00:06:57,520 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 2: want to be twice. 148 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're talking about your mid twenties when you were sire. Well, 149 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: I I think it would be very different now, because 150 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: that's what you say is like on that there was 151 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: one season of Alone where this guy was doing great. 152 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: He even made like his own the toy wifim out 153 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: of here going home, and they're like, dude. 154 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 2: Are you see Like he locked up his fake garage 155 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 2: that he had built and every like going home. 156 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. The best on that show are the ones that 157 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 1: have either just been through divorce or or they they 158 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: need the money so bad. I said, they have something 159 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 1: so important that they were like, and they're doing it 160 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: for somebody else that they're just going to do it there. 161 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 2: I remember that that one season where the guy built 162 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 2: rock rock House, Yes, and he was eating and soon 163 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 2: and I looked at each other and he. 164 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: Saved he he killed the. 165 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 2: Muscock and then and then he's eating the stomach and 166 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 2: we looked at each other like, Okay, when you're eating 167 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 2: warm contents of muscogs, no. 168 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: One's gonna beat that guy. He's going to eat his 169 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: own leg before he leaves. No one's going to beat 170 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: that guy. And he dug a fire pit too, right, 171 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: like he dug he dug. 172 00:07:57,800 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 2: It's called it was called rock House where the whole 173 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 2: thing was made of stoney, found the cave and then 174 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 2: built everything around it. 175 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: And so I mean, you're not going to beat that dude. 176 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 1: It's just not going to happen. 177 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 2: Whereas Sue always says, I would have tapped out on 178 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 2: the on the boat right over yea where I would 179 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 2: have literally been on the phone and the guy, the 180 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 2: producer's phone would have rung and he would be like, 181 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 2: I'm standing next to you, like, yeah, I'm tapping out, 182 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 2: turn around and tapping out. But it wouldn't be from loneliness. 183 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 2: It would have been probably from boredom more than anything else. 184 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 1: Well, so survivor. You know, it's having watched most of 185 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: the seasons, I have to In are some of our 186 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: promotional material for this season. It said on the social 187 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: medias that I had seen every season. I actually haven't 188 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: watched every season. What what's happened is I started watching 189 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 1: it when my wife was pregnant and we started devouring 190 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:42,679 Speaker 1: every season, and then I watch it with my son 191 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 1: and her. Now the problem is they watch it sometimes 192 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: when I'm out of town, so I've missed either half 193 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 1: of a season or I know they that's not allowed. 194 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:53,439 Speaker 1: I know, but well I couldn't, you know, hold them 195 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: back from what you know, the season without me and 196 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: then I'll jump in. I So it's a little confusing, 197 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 1: and it's been especially confusing coming into this season fifty 198 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 1: because there's a lot of people that I do know 199 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: or a scene, but I can't remember what they did 200 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:11,199 Speaker 1: in their season because in part sometimes I didn't finish 201 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:14,079 Speaker 1: the season in or I only came in fifty seasons. 202 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 1: How could anybody remember what everybody did in every single 203 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:29,439 Speaker 1: I know, it's it's a lot. 204 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 2: Do you have a favorite from the season, whether they 205 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 2: wont or not. Do you have a favorite Survivor that 206 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 2: was your favorite the whole time. 207 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:40,680 Speaker 1: Ozzy's just the man, the guy who's in this one. Yes, 208 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:44,439 Speaker 1: he's the best of all time. Is Ozzie's not Coach, 209 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 1: No coaches. 210 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 2: No. Ozzy is the guy who looks like the drummer 211 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,679 Speaker 2: from a Okay, yeah, he looks like the drummer from Total. 212 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 1: He is by far the best survivalist ever on Survivor. 213 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: He like, y oh, yeah, he's I think I told 214 00:09:57,360 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: you about him. He's the guy who like will fish 215 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 1: for everybody. That's yes, dude, did you notice he already 216 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 1: found like that. He provides for everybody. He is and 217 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 1: he's never won. He's been on the show I think 218 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: four or five times, and he's the nicest guy. His 219 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: problem is he gets too cocky and he thinks that 220 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 1: by being providing for everybody that they won't stab him 221 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:23,680 Speaker 1: in the back, and they always alway. 222 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 2: He's the one who had a problem with Coach, who 223 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 2: I guess said that it was because of him the 224 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 2: coach didn't win a million dollars. 225 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: Coach is my the villain that I love to hate. Coach. 226 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 1: He's a villain. Knowing nothing about this, I thought everybody 227 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 1: coaches first season, So what happened coaches first season? And 228 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: some people do love him, but it's mostly because they 229 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 1: have mixed feelings about him because he's a very good player, 230 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 1: but he's also very socially manipulative. There's the season that 231 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: really turned me against him, which I believe was his 232 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: first season. He was on a tribe with somebody. I'm 233 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 1: blanking on this guy's name, but this guy was not 234 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 1: very stable mentally and very religious, and Coach made a 235 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 1: partnership with this guy and like four other people and 236 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 1: said we're gonna go all the way to the end. 237 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: Like day one, he was like, the best, the only 238 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: way to win this game is if we never break alliances. 239 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: And then this guy was really off his rocker and 240 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 1: like targeting women because they were enticing him, you know, 241 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 1: like saying like that woman is a is sent here 242 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: from Satan and because she's dressing and you're like, dude, 243 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 1: you're just attracted to her. Let it go. It's not 244 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:38,959 Speaker 1: her fault. And Coach didn't draw the line and say like, oh, 245 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,679 Speaker 1: this guy is probably He instead leaned into it, used 246 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: religiosity to keep them tighter and said, let's all pray 247 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 1: before every challenge. Is and I find that really despicable. 248 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: And he agreed. He made it to the end. He 249 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:52,559 Speaker 1: made it to the end. He did not win. The 250 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: jury did not get him. It was a woman who 251 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 1: also just sort of attached herself to him, knowing that 252 00:11:58,280 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 1: he might get to the end, and she was smart 253 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:03,080 Speaker 1: and you want but that's always turned me against coach. 254 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: He's he's manipulative and he I think he crossed the 255 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 1: line there, you know, going too far into like using 256 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 1: religion to rally this team of people on his side. 257 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 1: They did very well though, they want and he and 258 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 1: by sticking with that group of five, because it is 259 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: true if you have a group of five and you never, 260 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: no matter what, turn on each other, you can make 261 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: it all the way to the end pretty much, especially 262 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 1: back in those days. Now it's gotten more complicated because 263 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 1: of the rules that they've introduced with advantages. 264 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 2: Well, this is what I want to talk to you about, 265 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 2: because there's there's basic things that I as somebody who 266 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 2: didn't watch your vivor that I don't know. And since 267 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 2: I watched the first season, all I remember is naked guy. 268 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:38,439 Speaker 2: That's all I remember. And I actually remember the girl 269 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 2: from this one, Jenna I think her name was I 270 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 2: remember that. So first of all, what is you're talking 271 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 2: about new rules? So what is the new era? 272 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 1: I actually don't know that distinctions technically. I believe there 273 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 1: was a it was it was a shift in the 274 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 1: way the game. I don't know technically, but yeah, So 275 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:00,839 Speaker 1: I honestly I had this same question. I was sort 276 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: of like, okay, one of our parisiers could jump in 277 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:06,439 Speaker 1: the thought. But I believe it has something to do. 278 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 1: I believe the problem with Survivor when it started was 279 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:15,320 Speaker 1: that the men would dominate the entire first half of 280 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 1: the game because they were The challenges were so physical, right, 281 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: and the men would end up winning, and so women 282 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 1: were getting eliminated like just you know, even the first 283 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: couple rounds and challenges. And so I believe at some 284 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: point they decided to institute more puzzles and to make 285 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 1: the social learn more. Yeah, so it wasn't just and 286 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 1: then because at a certain point, you know, if your 287 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 1: tribe is losing, you just decimated. There's like one person left. 288 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 1: And what was ended up happening is people would never 289 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:50,199 Speaker 1: want to vote their big powerful men off, so they 290 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 1: would they would just keep winning with their men and 291 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: vote the women off. So I believe the new era 292 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 1: has something to do with that shift, because the game 293 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 1: is way more balanced now in terms of like the 294 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 1: teamwork involves like a puzzle always or some sort of 295 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 1: like throwing challenge that doesn't need brute strength or physical ability. 296 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 1: It's much more balanced. And then also this, you know, 297 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: when it gets to the individual challenges, a lot of 298 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: the challenges are physically tough, but they're often about perseverance 299 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 1: in your own strength, like with your own body. In 300 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 1: other words, you're like beholding on holding onto something just 301 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: by your fingertips, and it's like it's your own weight, 302 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 1: do you know what I mean. So it's not like 303 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 1: it's like it's vary to the person. It's not like 304 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: we all have to lift the same amount or whatever. 305 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: It's like it's all scale to you. So it's really 306 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 1: about challenging to yourself. So yeah, I believe that has 307 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 1: something to do with a new era or the old era. 308 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 1: So here's the thing that I find I think is 309 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: a big mistake. 310 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 2: You should never start a new season of a show 311 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 2: assuming everybody that watches the show has seen it before. Yeah, 312 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 2: so one thing this did not explain to me in 313 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 2: any way, shape or form, which I have no idea, 314 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 2: is what the does an idol do? 315 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 1: Okay, So an idol protects you at tribal So if 316 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 1: you can't be voted out and voted out, but you 317 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 1: only play it after everyone's voted, so essentially they're wasting 318 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 1: their vote. And so if you feel like everybody's going 319 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 1: to vote for you and they don't know you have 320 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: an idol, or only certain people on your team, on 321 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: your tribe know you have an idol, you could then 322 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 1: bust the after the vote, you say hey, I'm playing 323 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: this idol, and then the person who gets the next 324 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: level of votes is the one out. So it can 325 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: be a real turnover. So they have to they have 326 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: to always be suspicious that somebody is playing the game 327 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 1: with an idol in their pocket. And that's why like 328 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 1: Ozzie got voted with, he got voted out with an 329 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 1: idol in his pocket because he didn't he didn't play it, 330 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 1: which happens often people will just be so trusting of 331 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: their team. The team might know they have an idol, 332 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: convince them, oh no, we're not voting for you tonight, 333 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 1: blindside that person, and then they walk out with the 334 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: idol in their pocket, so you can be voted out. 335 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 1: Even if you have an idol, you have to just 336 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 1: for you ever, yes, you have to play it at 337 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: after the vote is but before it's before they replay it, yes, 338 00:15:57,600 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 1: before they read it. And then you have things like 339 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 1: multiple idols, like people will play I'm playing an idol 340 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 1: and you're like okay, and then the other person who's 341 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: like the next in the line will be like, I'm 342 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: also playing an idol. You're like, oh my god, and 343 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: it'll go down. They've had like tons of weird things 344 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: like that. The main thing with idols is that if 345 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 1: it's if it's played, or if it leaves the game 346 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 1: because it's in their pocket, it gets hidden again on 347 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: the island. 348 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 2: And are these always hidden or are there are? Do 349 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 2: you ever win one? When you win? 350 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 1: It's changed every season you got you don't. Yeah, you 351 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: win when you're Yeah, you win immunity through the challenges, 352 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 1: either as a tribe or when they get to the 353 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: individual game, you individually win immunity. But yeah, the idols 354 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 1: are and there have been seasons with no idols, and 355 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: then there have been seasons where you get clues that 356 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 1: can lead you to an idol, and then you have 357 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: weird rules like this time they have that boomerang idol 358 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 1: that got introduced. Yeah, the game is you know, it's. 359 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 2: Oh my god, I just realized if you take your 360 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 2: middle name out, it's literally a billy idol. How did 361 00:16:57,720 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 2: nobody else pick that up that it's. 362 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: A billy idol? I got it. Yeah, it's a complicated game, 363 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 1: and yeah, it's pretty manipulative in terms of like how 364 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:10,440 Speaker 1: the rules change season to season. You know, they're they're 365 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:13,880 Speaker 1: they're ultimately going to go for the best television and 366 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 1: there have been times when you're you can tell that 367 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 1: they're kind of tilting the challenges to sort of favor 368 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:22,400 Speaker 1: a certain person or to give certain But yeah, it's 369 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 1: it's a it's a tricky game. The main thing is, 370 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:29,399 Speaker 1: you know, the three the three rules, outwit, outlast, and outplay. 371 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 1: So those are the three things you really you you 372 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 1: know you that you you want to outwit your fellow players, 373 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 1: you know, because you're gonna have to eventually be voting 374 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 1: against each other, even if they're on your tribe or 375 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 1: working against another tribe. In the in the early half 376 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: of the game, let's see outlast obviously, just surviving and severe. 377 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. 378 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: One of the Outwit Outlast out play is that it. 379 00:17:50,000 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it. 380 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:07,199 Speaker 1: What's been interesting for me is, like going back to 381 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 1: the early seasons, there was a lot of emphasis put 382 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 1: on the actual survival factor, like how they got food, right, 383 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 1: if that's what I remember, building fires, stuff like that. 384 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:20,680 Speaker 1: That has really for the large part been edited out. 385 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:23,880 Speaker 1: Now the game is now, I mean, I think people's 386 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:27,400 Speaker 1: psychological stuff. It's all the social stuff because they are 387 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 1: still doing all the physical stuff. I mean, you see 388 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:30,920 Speaker 1: in this one they figure out how to make a fire, 389 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: which was great, and you're still having to build shelters. 390 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:36,239 Speaker 1: You see them working hard. They're just not focusing on 391 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 1: that in the editing at all anymore. So it's really 392 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 1: just about who's partnering with who, who's going with who, 393 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:44,119 Speaker 1: And then the challenge is becoming the sort of showdown 394 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: and the immunity the tribals to be like the reveal 395 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 1: of what's actually going to happen, So you don't get 396 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:54,439 Speaker 1: like there would be whole seasons where you'd just be 397 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:57,119 Speaker 1: listening to people complaining about how hungry they were or 398 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:00,120 Speaker 1: that they were cold, and you don't get that much anymore. 399 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 1: And I don't know how much of that is because 400 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 1: it's not as hard as it used to be because 401 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: they did like one season in Africa which was truly devastating, 402 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 1: like people were like near death because they were starving 403 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:12,679 Speaker 1: and the key was doing to death. And they used 404 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 1: to do a lot of seasons where they would do 405 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 1: in like a culturally specific area, so you'd have like 406 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:21,400 Speaker 1: the Philippines and you'd learn about Filipino culture, they'd eat, 407 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 1: you know, or whatever. They kind of now just limited 408 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:28,639 Speaker 1: it to Fiji for the last like ten years, just 409 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 1: like it's kind of a standard set of circumstances, like 410 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 1: there are fish, there are coconuts, you get a certain 411 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: amount of rice, and you can get flint if you 412 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 1: work for it, so you can start a fire. 413 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 2: And that was the other thing is I didn't again 414 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:46,159 Speaker 2: because I didn't know. When they're like one team wins flint, 415 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:48,679 Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, does that mean the other teams 416 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:50,920 Speaker 2: can't just build a fire if they want to they 417 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 2: just And I didn't know if that meant it's like 418 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 2: one one tribe gets fire, the other two you can't 419 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 2: have fire, right, But that's not what it means. 420 00:19:58,080 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: But it means you can you can you could make 421 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 1: a if you knew how to make a fire, right. 422 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 2: But you figure everybody going on something called Survivor would 423 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 2: know how to make a fire. 424 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 1: Dude, you are will every season, not every season, Almost 425 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 1: every season there comes down to a challenge between two 426 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 1: people where they have to build a fire after because 427 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 1: they like split the votes or there's no other way 428 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:21,120 Speaker 1: to determine, so they have to build a fire at 429 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: the tribal council and I shit, you not have The 430 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 1: people that get there do not know how to build 431 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:29,879 Speaker 1: a fire with flint. At the end of the d 432 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:32,360 Speaker 1: Alex and I are talking about this all the time. 433 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 1: We're always like, how toy, It's like not knowing how 434 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: to swim. It's dude, you have to figure this out, 435 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 1: like get you know? So, yes, I agree with you. 436 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 1: Like the first thing I would do is figure out 437 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 1: how to make fire under any conditions, but especially the 438 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 1: Fijian conditions, right, like knowing what my resources are called, 439 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: how to make a fire and fee exactly exactly, And 440 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: then I'd learn what I can eat and what I 441 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 1: can hunt and what kind of fish I could eat. 442 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 1: And then I would also starve myself leading up to 443 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 1: going because you watch these people and there's they lose 444 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,880 Speaker 1: so much weight, and also their bodies are so used 445 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 1: to regular calorie intake. You see like big guys crash 446 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 1: because they have such requirements their bodies require, so which 447 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 1: is why weird. That's the opposite of a loan. 448 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,120 Speaker 2: Everyone on a loan they put on as much weight 449 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:17,360 Speaker 2: as they possibly can before they go into a loan. 450 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 2: So you see these women that are like, I just 451 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 2: put on sixty pounds before I. 452 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 1: Go because they just know they're going to lose it. 453 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 2: They know that they're going to lose all the body fat, 454 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 2: so they're like fat is fuel on a loan, so 455 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 2: they're like put on as much weight as you can. 456 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 2: It said, it seems almost like a bit of a 457 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 2: vanity project on Survivor, where it's like I need to 458 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 2: look good with my shirt off. 459 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 1: Mike White worked really hard to make sure he abody 460 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,400 Speaker 1: for this moment for months, like yeah, with your fifteen 461 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 1: personal trainers. 462 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 2: But at the same time, it's like, I think I'd 463 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 2: rather go in thirty pounds overweight and carry a whole 464 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 2: bunch of that. 465 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 1: No, I don't, because there's because they're so physically stretched, 466 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 1: like the challenges you want to be in really good, 467 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 1: like lean fighting shape and also not be hungry, you know, 468 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: So like to me, I would I would be like 469 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 1: restriction going like the month before. I'd go to like 470 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: a really low calorie diet because what that does is 471 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 1: it trains your body to be more efficient with less 472 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: food because you're only getting so much rice, You're only 473 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,879 Speaker 1: getting so much stuff. So yeah, be used to it. 474 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: Here we goes. Maddie just said the player that won 475 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 1: last season since she was fasting for months before going 476 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:18,400 Speaker 1: to the show, so we're a body. 477 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly what I would do, which is totally 478 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:21,640 Speaker 2: the opposite of a loan. 479 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 1: Everybody and alone is like we're just sitting around and 480 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,719 Speaker 1: in cold weather and trying to survive that. It's different. 481 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 1: This is like, yeah, this one you just want to 482 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 1: be because you're working hard. I mean those challenges you 483 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 1: see them insane. It's really tough, man Like, it's not light, 484 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:38,679 Speaker 1: you know, and you're doing that. 485 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:43,400 Speaker 2: Okay. My last question is a basic one. Are these 486 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 2: people hot or are they cold? Because when you've got 487 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:51,159 Speaker 2: somebody just in shorts with no T shirt next to 488 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 2: a woman with a parka and a sweater, what the 489 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 2: is happening. Are they hot or are they cold because. 490 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,880 Speaker 1: Weather extremes man without shelter, and I think at night, 491 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:04,880 Speaker 1: like when you saw them on Exile Island, they were 492 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 1: all bundled up in whatever they could have because I 493 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:08,880 Speaker 1: think they're talking at the same time. 494 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,399 Speaker 2: You've got a woman there literally in like a trench 495 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 2: coat and a turtleneck next to a guy with shorts on. 496 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 2: I'm like, temperature wise, help me out what's happening on? 497 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's tropical, which is just very you know, 498 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,199 Speaker 1: and it's like whether you've been in the water or not, 499 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:27,399 Speaker 1: or like right, yes, without shelter, Man, it's intense. Like 500 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 1: that was confusing. 501 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 2: I know. 502 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 1: Well, I mean I think the game has gotten a 503 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 1: lot better since, and maybe that's what the new era 504 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 1: is is locking it in in Fiji and sort of 505 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 1: controlling those conditions because like they did an Australian Outback one, 506 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: which was brutal, Like you get into situations where like 507 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:46,680 Speaker 1: the survival question overtakes the gameplay because it's like we're 508 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 1: literally starving and you know, or our shelter gets blown 509 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 1: away by a hurricane wind, you know, like that shit 510 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,719 Speaker 1: like that has happened, so I think now they've they 511 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 1: figured out the beaches, Like now they're repeating using They're 512 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: using the same beaches that you can reckon from season 513 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: to season. 514 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 2: It's interesting that's their set. Yeah, I mean it's basically 515 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 2: become a set. Yeah, they figured out what they can control. 516 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:08,640 Speaker 2: There has to be a point where you've done enough 517 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,679 Speaker 2: seasons there where you've depleted the natural, right, like the 518 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 2: coconuts aren't going to be as plentiful, and the trees 519 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 2: that you can use to make shelter aren't going to 520 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:18,959 Speaker 2: be as plentiful, and eventually they're gonna have to move it, right, 521 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 2: I know, I don't know. 522 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 1: How they rotated or how they figured it out. Would 523 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 1: you go on? Yeah, I think this is the one 524 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,879 Speaker 1: reality show that I would But again, like Traders, I 525 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 1: would probably be bad at it the same way that 526 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: like Ozzie's bad at it, Like, I mean, I'd be 527 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 1: way worse than him physically number one. But number two, 528 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 1: I'm just too trusting. I'm just too like I would 529 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 1: be like I would want to play with honor and integrity, 530 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 1: but you said you can't do that. Yeah, but it's hard, man, 531 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 1: you know, like you eventually somebody is gonna have to say, 532 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,639 Speaker 1: let's take advantage of you know, right, honor and like 533 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 1: his word. 534 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:55,879 Speaker 2: Which but you would also have to you would have 535 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 2: if you wanted to play honorably, you would have to 536 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 2: go in in ripping shape because what you would essentially 537 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:02,879 Speaker 2: be saying is I'm going to play honorably, but I 538 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 2: have to win every challenge that I can possibly win 539 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 2: so we're not voted off. 540 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 1: Yes, And I mean I think I would do exactly 541 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: what Ozzie is doing, which is partner up with the 542 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,920 Speaker 1: Machiavelli and genius like SII and just be like, hey, 543 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 1: you're gonna you're gonna help tell me who to vote 544 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 1: for and help me and watch my back and be 545 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 1: the strategic mind for me. Well, I'm just like here 546 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 1: to help and like support and provide like and I 547 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,920 Speaker 1: could never be that provider, but I hopefully I would 548 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 1: offer other help, you know, in terms of like moral 549 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 1: support or leadership skills or whatever. But I yeah, I 550 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:35,919 Speaker 1: would not be I'm not a good liar. I'm not 551 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,639 Speaker 1: a no you're not and I'm really uncomfortable with you know, 552 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: and I just would ultimately be like, Nope, just take 553 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 1: me out, vote me out. 554 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:43,680 Speaker 2: If I you know, have to Well, here's the last 555 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 2: thing I'll say before we get into this. And you 556 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 2: told me about this, you said this several times, but 557 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:48,919 Speaker 2: it wasn't until I really watched. 558 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 1: Jeff Probst is a phenomenal host. He's the man, dude, 559 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: phenomenal part. At times he's doing sports commentary. 560 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 2: At times he says all of their names, it's he's 561 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:02,639 Speaker 2: it's great. 562 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 1: And I assumed that he had an ear piece on, 563 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,400 Speaker 1: you know, that his producers were helping him. Turns out 564 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 1: Emily Longoretta, who's writing our Podny's World book and she's 565 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 1: a journalist and she went and covered Survivor this season. 566 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 1: He does no earpiece. He is fully on his own. 567 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: That man is like, because I look at like amazing 568 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:23,719 Speaker 1: race and Phil what's his name? 569 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 3: Who has that? 570 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: Oh, I'm like, dude, your job is like you got 571 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:29,199 Speaker 1: the coucius job in the world because he just like 572 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,399 Speaker 1: literally gets a fly around the country or the world 573 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 1: and meet people in beautiful places and be like you 574 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: made it, you didn't. Like, that's all he has to do, 575 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 1: whereas like Jeff Probes is actually engaging them and and 576 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 1: monitoring and and like over refereeing and overseas a referee. 577 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:49,200 Speaker 1: He's doing sports. A trial judge. He's like a trial judge, dude. 578 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 1: He is great an entertaining host, yes man, and like, yeah, 579 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 1: I just think. 580 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 2: He's empathetic, dude. He keeps everybody on track. Halfway through 581 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 2: the show, was like, my god, this man is a 582 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 2: good host. Yes. 583 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 1: And when Indy like became a fan of Jeff Probes, 584 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 1: you know, when he was a little little like five 585 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,360 Speaker 1: year old six years watching him, like it's a good 586 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 1: person to look up to. 587 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:10,360 Speaker 2: Dude. 588 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like he's the guy is a really good it's 589 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 1: it's like one of the few like reality show hosts 590 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 1: that I'm like, he deserves every cent that he goes 591 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 1: because that's not easy. 592 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:24,360 Speaker 2: He's entertaining, he's yeah, I mean he's it's really. 593 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 1: And everybody feels like it's on their side, like it 594 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,199 Speaker 1: doesn't matter how they behave like for the most like 595 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 1: every single person that's part of the game. They never 596 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,920 Speaker 1: turn on him. They never are like, Jeff, you really 597 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 1: messed this up? Or Jeff, how dare you talk to 598 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:40,440 Speaker 1: me like that? They he's always very upfront, he's personable. Yeah, 599 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 1: he's the best. Was great. Yeah, all right, So We're 600 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,120 Speaker 1: gonna pause here before we get into the actual recap 601 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,119 Speaker 1: of the episode, because it turns out we've had a 602 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,440 Speaker 1: lot of survivor back history to cover and discuss. You've 603 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,640 Speaker 1: been listening to pod meets Twirled. The torches may be snuffed, 604 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 1: but our questionable analysis burns on. We'll see you next time. 605 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:03,120 Speaker 1: A Tribals wa