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Speaker 1: This is One Bills Live presented by Kalida Health.

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Speaker 2: All Right, welcome to another week of One Bill's Live.

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Speaker 2: Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you here until three, and

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Speaker 2: there is plenty a foot in the NFL. What a

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Speaker 2: weekend of basketball though, Holy crow, I mean, if you

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Speaker 2: you can get your fill in a hurry.

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Speaker 1: I'm full.

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Speaker 2: I was. I was wiped out. I was.

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Speaker 1: I was.

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Speaker 2: I might have been as tired as the players. I'm

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Speaker 2: double overtime game and then an overtime game last night. Yeah, crazy.

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Speaker 2: And then the Grand Canyon University and Alabama, Alabama. Those

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Speaker 2: guys were killing each other yes yesterday, pounded on each other,

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Speaker 2: Bodies on the floor, nobody had a free layup. They

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Speaker 2: were getting assaulted. It was like the earth. It's like

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Speaker 2: the late eighties, early nineties.

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Speaker 1: NBA just pounded on each other crazy. I couldn't tell

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Speaker 1: I physical it was.

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Speaker 2: It was too much.

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Speaker 1: Physical game, all that stuff. I had too much basketball.

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Speaker 1: I went to bed.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I went to bed. I did not.

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Speaker 1: It was awesome. I missed all the fun and exciting.

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Speaker 2: I cannot get enough of this stuff. Oh my god,

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Speaker 2: funny enough. So I don't know if you this was hilarious.

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Speaker 2: I saw this over the weekend. So, as you know,

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Speaker 2: Yale is now out of the tournament, but they won

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Speaker 2: their first round game, and so people start to tweeting

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Speaker 2: at Yale basketball on Twitter or x or at least

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Speaker 2: what they thought was the Yale men's basketball handle. So

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Speaker 2: they're tweeting at Yale MBB, which most people assumed stood

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Speaker 2: for men's basketball.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go.

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Speaker 2: That was incorrect.

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Speaker 1: What's m Yale mbb?

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Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you because they responded to all

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Speaker 2: the twins, they said, our notifications are blowing up with

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Speaker 2: basketball tweets, but we are the Yale Molecular Biophysics and

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Speaker 2: Biochemistry accounts. You might want to tag at Yale m

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Speaker 2: basketball instead. Bulah bulah.

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Speaker 1: Whatever that means must be a Yale thing.

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Speaker 2: Got Oh, there you go. You know it's a it's

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Speaker 2: a common miss this perception.

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Speaker 1: I went to UH I went to a fairly notable university. Myself,

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Speaker 1: I don't I didn't know that molecular biophysics, biophysics and

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Speaker 1: they had no Twitter handle.

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Speaker 2: Well that's true, but there was no Twitter, there was

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Speaker 2: no Internet.

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Speaker 1: There was yet right, there was no email that internet stuff.

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Speaker 2: That's is that hilarious?

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Speaker 1: That's pretty funny.

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Speaker 2: The sorry, you've reached the Yale Molecular Biophysics at biochemistry

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Speaker 2: account and I'm pretty sure that might be the only

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Speaker 2: school where you have the risk of making that mistake, right, goodness, great,

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I laughed out loud at that one. Yeah, sorry,

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Speaker 2: wrong address, boy, that was great. Uh. Plenty of NFL

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Speaker 2: stuff to get to, because, as you know, we told

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Speaker 2: you late last week that the owner's meetings, league meetings,

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Speaker 2: however you want to describe, and we're taking place in

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Speaker 2: Orlando beginning on Sunday. They've stretched into today and tomorrow,

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Speaker 2: and the votes have been made on certain propose, not all.

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Speaker 2: Some have been tabled until May, most notably the new kickoff.

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Speaker 2: They put the brakes on putting it to a vote

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Speaker 2: because there are some And we'll talk to Dean Blandino,

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Speaker 2: Fox Sports, NFL officiating analyst formerly NFL Vice President of Officiating.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk to him in the second hour the show

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Speaker 2: if there were a lot of Obviously, it's a sweeping

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Speaker 2: were a lot of elements to it that were worked

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Speaker 2: along with the Competition Committee. And I think the change

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Speaker 1: It hasn't officially done, but there have been a couple

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Speaker 1: And one of everybody loves is from Detroit. If if

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Speaker 2: To keep it, yeah, head coach.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, uh so. Dan Campbell said, listen, if I'm challenging

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you win your first two challenges. Currently, if

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Speaker 2: you win your first two challenges, you are afforded a third.

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Speaker 2: And all this did was reduce the requirement from two

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: So, and I've lowered the lowered the threshold for what

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Speaker 1: It was that And I've said this before. We've had this,

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Speaker 1: you know, kind of tongue in cheek conversation before that.

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Speaker 1: They're not going to do anything that that messes with

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Speaker 1: It might be that TV's going, I don't know, the link.

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Speaker 1: Longer your window stays open, the longer we get ratings.

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Speaker 1: they might say, yeah, okay, if you're gonna give it,

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Speaker 1: if you give us an extra thirty second commercial, do it.

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Speaker 1: And uh not. I'm not saying the TV is making

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Speaker 1: these rules, but certainly they're not going to throw a

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Speaker 1: fit over it. You know, that's why people tune in.

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Speaker 1: They want to get this stuff right. And if let's

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Speaker 1: uproar if a head coach uses all of his challenges

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Speaker 2: Could have a bigger impact on the game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, people will go crazy.

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Speaker 2: The biggest news in terms of what has been voted

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Speaker 2: largely based on some troubling statistics. NFL Executive vice president

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Speaker 2: a swivel hip drop tackle. The defensive player lifting himself

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it'll be interesting to see how they want

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Speaker 1: to do that, because you know, the officials got a

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Speaker 1: some talk about whether, you know, don't call all this

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Speaker 1: some you know, with other things where they come back,

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Speaker 1: might be something like that which that goes into different waters.

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Speaker 1: You know, that makes your head swim about the safety

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Speaker 2: We're in an era of safety for the players, so

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Speaker 2: this would fall in line with that because it is

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Speaker 2: a dangerous tackling technique. I don't think there's any question

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Speaker 2: of that change. NFL Networks Tom Peliasero also brought this

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Speaker 2: Rich McKay. He told Pella Sero the replay assistant will

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Speaker 2: purely objective. For example, they see right away the QB

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Speaker 1: And I'm all for it. I'm all for it. And

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Speaker 1: Pick the flag up, that kind of stuff. It'll be

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Speaker 1: the way the officials call the game, because now remember that,

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Speaker 2: As we discussed last week, it's likely gonna change the

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Speaker 1: They'll yeah, I don't know what it's gonna look weird,

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Right. And let's face it, I don't know who

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Speaker 2: And it doesn't hurt to say we're open for business, right,

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Speaker 1: That would be typical Belichick stuff to have no quarterback.

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Speaker 1: No way, Jose, and we have talked at length about it.

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Speaker 1: Yes, they go from twelve to seventy six.

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Speaker 1: What pick do we have again?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, just get me out of the Wilson contract.

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Speaker 2: Thank god, we don't live in that world. Because twelve

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 1: It is not high. If it goes now, they could

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Speaker 1: I think it's right there. It starts to get a

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Speaker 1: little bit and I don't know, I like this guy

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Speaker 1: better than that guy.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people that like Jane Daniels a lot too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I like Listen, I like Michael Pennix and Jaden

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Speaker 1: Daniels better than I like Drake.

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Speaker 2: May unless Drake May is considered more of a project

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Speaker 2: because I guess his mechanics with his feet are god awful.

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Speaker 1: Well, he hasn't played that much football either.

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Speaker 2: Well in that too. And there was another quarterback that

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Speaker 2: got drafted very high out of the University of North

446
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Speaker 2: Carolina that only had eleven starts. His name was Mitchell.

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Speaker 2: He's the second pick in the draft.

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Speaker 1: And he's yeah, he's a Buffalo Bill now right, Yeah,

449
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Speaker 1: in a backup it's it's it's a crap shoot, but

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Speaker 1: it's at one of the most important positions, you know,

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Speaker 1: in pro sports, and you got to get it right.

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Speaker 1: You got to have a guy. And the teams we're

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Speaker 1: talking about don't. Yeah, it'll be interesting to see. But

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Speaker 1: a team like Denver, they can't go they can't go

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Speaker 1: into that. They can't. There's no way you can convince

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Speaker 1: me Sean Payton's gonna go into the season with the

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Speaker 1: guy on the roster right now. No, No, there's absolutely

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Speaker 1: no way.

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Speaker 2: And the veteran choices are limited, so oh, I mean

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Speaker 2: short of getting Tannehill, you may have to go in

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Speaker 2: the draft, take another swing out. You're already paying thirty

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Speaker 2: nine million for a quarterback that's not playing for you.

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Speaker 1: God, that's terrible.

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Speaker 2: It's just that is crippling, crippling.

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Speaker 1: How do you get at that wrong?

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Speaker 2: Well, it wasn't even this regime, that's right.

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Speaker 1: And you know what, here's the worst part about the

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Speaker 1: whole situation. They traded for Russe Wilson. He was already

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Speaker 1: under contract. They didn't have to give him that deal.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it could have been a wait and see.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, that's stupid. Yeah, that really is.

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Speaker 2: That's irresponsible, fiscal irresponsibility. You'll get the best to you,

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Speaker 2: as the Broncos are finding out right.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, it was totally irresponsible. They didn't they

475
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Speaker 1: didn't owe that guy another contract. Let's rye uh, it

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Speaker 1: is bad.

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Speaker 2: One final bit of news for around the NFL in

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Speaker 2: case you missed this over the weekend, the Kansas City

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Speaker 2: Chiefs have apparently agreed to trade terms with the Tennessee

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Speaker 2: Titans to move franchise corner Lagerious Snead to Tennessee in

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Speaker 2: exchange for a third round pick that's the report. I

482
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Speaker 2: don't think the trade is officially gone through as of yet,

483
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Speaker 2: but it is going to happen by all accounts. So

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Speaker 2: once again, the Chiefs take a major asset and get

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Speaker 2: something in return for it. You know, they trade Tyreek Hill,

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Speaker 2: they get two ones from the Dolphins for that, along

487
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Speaker 2: with another pick or two, and win the Super Bowl

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Speaker 2: the next year and the next year.

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Speaker 1: Good for them. I mean, that's that's what you gotta do.

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Speaker 2: They're doing the same here with Theegerius Snake and.

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Speaker 1: They had to And I'll say this too, you can

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Speaker 1: say that she's you know, somebody gave him two ones.

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Speaker 1: All that those ones didn't help them in that first

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl run, right, I mean they didn't pick they

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Speaker 1: didn't get a one that year. Dot Trent McDuffie, Trent

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Speaker 1: McDon that's the one they got. Here's the thing, those

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Speaker 1: guys were right on all those draft picks. They're right

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Speaker 1: on the field and contributing right away. George carl Offtis

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Speaker 1: they picked. They picked the right guys. I mean, you

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Speaker 1: say what you want. It's easy enough to get the

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Speaker 1: draft picks. Now you got to pick the right guy

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Speaker 1: in the right draft at the right spot. At thirty two.

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Speaker 1: That's pretty good by them.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of draft picks, as we know, the Bills got

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Speaker 2: a compensatory fourth round pick from the league after losing

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Speaker 2: Tremaine Edmunds in free agency last year and having a

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Speaker 2: net loss of free agents. Many including the Bills, believed

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Speaker 2: it was going to be a third round pick. Bill's

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Speaker 2: GM Brandon Bean, at the ownership meetings addressed that very

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Speaker 2: subject and was not happy about the outcome. We're gonna

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Speaker 2: take a break here, but when we come back, we'll explain,

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Speaker 2: or actually Brandon will explain just what happened because they

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Speaker 2: filed an appeal, met online with the league. He'll tell

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Speaker 2: you how it all turned out when we returned here

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Speaker 2: on One Bill's Live, presented by Colt of Health, It's

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Speaker 2: Buffalo Bills Radio. All right back here on One Bill's Live.

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Speaker 2: Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you and the NFL's league

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Speaker 2: meetings taking place down in Orlando, and Bill's GM Brandon Bean,

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Speaker 2: addressed the media late yesterday afternoon down there, and we've

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Speaker 2: talked about it for more than a week, and we

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Speaker 2: know fans have called in upset about it, and with

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Speaker 2: good reason, as the Bills were awarded a week and

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Speaker 2: a half ago a compensatory fourth round pick for their

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Speaker 2: free agent losses last offseason, most notably Tremaine Edmonds, who

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Speaker 2: signed a giant, four year, seventy two million dollar contract.

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Speaker 2: So Brandon Bean was asked at the owner's meetings about

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Speaker 2: that fourth round compensatory and if they appealed to the

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Speaker 2: league for the ruling that it should be a fourth

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Speaker 2: when everybody under the sun expected it to be a third.

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Speaker 3: It did surprise me.

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Speaker 4: You know, I think us in San Francisco we got

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Speaker 4: a raw deal. It's it's just there counting. I don't

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Speaker 4: want to give a full thing bog we you know,

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Speaker 4: we had separate zooms with the league trying to go

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Speaker 4: through how it was calculated, because by even their accounts

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Speaker 4: as we were checking with them through the year, we

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Speaker 4: clearly had a third rounder. And so it's it's with

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Speaker 4: all the conversions, the voids and things like that, numbers

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Speaker 4: that are not really numbers got it. Like for example,

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Speaker 4: San frank gave an example of one of their layers

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Speaker 4: that was really around a seventeen APY was being counted

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Speaker 4: as a twenty six APY by the way they they

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Speaker 4: did the void with higher cap numbers. At the end,

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Speaker 4: and there's been so many of those in recent years

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Speaker 4: due to COVID and where the cap was that it

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Speaker 4: fell into it and we missed. I'm talking like this

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Speaker 4: and it's a It was a major blow because we

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Speaker 4: had planned for that. And I know Sam Frand thought

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Speaker 4: the same way.

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Speaker 5: Did you do anything after it with they can appeal

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Speaker 5: of some sort like how does that work?

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Speaker 3: We did our best and they said no deal.

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Speaker 2: So Brandon being essentially confirmed that they appealed to the league.

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Speaker 2: You know, a lot of people ask, hey, you know,

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Speaker 2: did the did the bills you know, lobby the league

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Speaker 2: to change it? They did, They just didn't get the

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Speaker 2: answer they want. They were unconvinced.

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Speaker 1: It sounded like they didn't ask if they could change it.

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Speaker 1: They asked like, well, how did you get what are

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Speaker 1: you doing?

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Speaker 2: And he made it sound to a certain extent like

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Speaker 2: the league moved the line due to some conversion of

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Speaker 2: the numbers, because as he as you heard Brandon say,

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Speaker 2: they had been checking all through the season. You know,

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Speaker 2: they're trying to make their off season plans, like how

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Speaker 2: much Ammo are you going to have in the draft.

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Speaker 2: We're definitely getting this third round pick. Yep, you look good.

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Speaker 2: Guys look good, right, and then the six come out

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Speaker 2: and you got a four, and it's like, what could

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Speaker 2: come again?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they What happens is that guys get void years

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Speaker 1: in the contra and it comes down they probably missed

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Speaker 1: a third rounder and it got a fourth round or

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Speaker 1: set of a third rounder by like ten grand on

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Speaker 1: a cap, you know, average per year on a contract,

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Speaker 1: and yeah, they missed it by a hair and that's

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Speaker 1: that's got to be really frustrating because obviously I don't know,

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Speaker 1: but I'm never even hung out with gms really except

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Speaker 1: for Brandon, and it's like they're on it all year long, keeping.

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Speaker 2: Track of just this exact and they were very positive.

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Speaker 1: Response, Yes, you're good, yes this, yes, this yet so

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Speaker 1: they knew because they knew the numbers before they you know,

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Speaker 1: they knew the numbers and when they said are we

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Speaker 1: under this number? Are we under that number? The yeah,

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Speaker 1: when they get there and it turns out.

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Speaker 2: And the same thing happened to sanfran They had thought

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Speaker 2: they had a three and got a four also, So yeah,

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Speaker 2: Brandon explained, they said us and the Niners got on

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Speaker 2: a zoom call with the league right away. Group Zoom

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Speaker 2: and then the league said, okay, we're going to take

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Speaker 2: these zoom calls separately. You know, Bill's call on this line,

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Speaker 2: Niners call on this line, and we'll get these squared away.

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Speaker 2: You know, you present your case, but we've got our

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Speaker 2: numbers and we believe they're correct. So yeah, and that's

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Speaker 2: what you want to fight it fine, but doesn't mean

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Speaker 2: you're going to get your way. And in the end

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Speaker 2: they didn't. Neither team did, all right, So Cincinnati did

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Speaker 2: according to Brandon, though it was a different set of

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Speaker 2: circumstances affecting their pick because they went from like a

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Speaker 2: six to a four. So something was egregiously wrong there.

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Speaker 2: If you jump two rounds, you know, so it's unfortunate.

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Speaker 1: And it had all falls it falls into find It's financial,

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Speaker 1: is what it is. It's the financial offset to the

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Speaker 1: contracts that your guys sign and then you get back.

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Speaker 1: And that's one thing I didn't really understand until we

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Speaker 1: started hearing Brandon talk. It's the size and length of

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Speaker 1: the contracts, that offset of what you lose and what

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Speaker 1: you get back, and that's what causes it to be

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Speaker 1: a third, fourth, fifth, sixth round draft pick. And you know,

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Speaker 1: obviously the terms of those contracts are pretty important in that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Brandon Bean also addressed the free agent signing of

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Speaker 2: wide receiver Curtis Samuel. Obviously a player he knows very

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Speaker 2: well because he was with the Carolina Panthers when the

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Speaker 2: organization drafted him in twenty sixteen as a second round

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Speaker 2: pick out of Ohio State, but Brandon pointed more to

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Speaker 2: the familiarity offensive coordinator Joe Brady has with Curtis Samuel,

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Speaker 2: under whom Samuel had his most productive season in the pros.

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Speaker 4: Curtis is one of those guys, a unique player when

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Speaker 4: he came out. I remember spending time with him and

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Speaker 4: scouting him at Ohio State. Guy that spent half the

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Speaker 4: time in the running back room at Ohio State and

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Speaker 4: half in the receiver room. And I was, you know,

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Speaker 4: I remember questioning how he was able to do that, and.

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Speaker 3: He's obviously smart to be able to do that.

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Speaker 4: And so that was the last draft I was in Carolina,

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Speaker 4: and we took McCaffrey one and him too, and we

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Speaker 4: were just thinking, like, man, you get in the huddle

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Speaker 4: with those guys, you really could line one up in

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Speaker 4: the backfield and one you know, as a receiver, and

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Speaker 4: you know, you're just given defenses, you know, different problems

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Speaker 4: to deal with. And so what gave me confidence to

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Speaker 4: you know, bring him here was talking to Joe Brady

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Speaker 4: and he had his best year with Joe, and Joe

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Speaker 4: saw what he could do and really, you know, play

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Speaker 4: to his strengths. And so we see him as a

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Speaker 4: guy that, yes, could be in the backfield, could line

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Speaker 4: up at receiver, gadgets, he could be.

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Speaker 3: A returner for us.

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Speaker 4: He can stretch the field, verdict, just not a traditional

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Speaker 4: just line up out wide receiver or lineup in the slot.

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Speaker 4: We think he'll play outside, inside backfield, just you know,

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00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 4: give Joe a lot of you know, versal ways to use.

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Speaker 2: And really, we hear Brandon Steve all the time talking

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Speaker 2: about how they want mismatches, and this guy is a

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Speaker 2: mismatch because of his versatility, I think more than anything else. Yes,

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Speaker 2: he has four to three speed, don't get me wrong,

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Speaker 2: and that's that's its own asset in its own right.

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Speaker 2: But the fact that he can do so many different things,

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Speaker 2: I mean, he is kind of ahead of his time

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Speaker 2: for what we're all anticipating at some dayton the future

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Speaker 2: will be positionless football. This guy is a predecessor for

652
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 2: that in its purest form, because he can lie, he

653
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 2: can literally line up anywhere.

654
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: Curtis Samuel a little bit like Deebo Samuel. I mean

655
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: a guy that can play running back and wide receiver.

656
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: You can hand him the ball. It's it's coming, man,

657
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 1: it's coming. And you know that if you can be

658
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 1: one of those teams, it's a you know, on the

659
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 1: cutting edge instead of the trailing edge. Give you can

660
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:15,359
Speaker 1: give yourself, you know, some wins because of the way

661
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,240
Speaker 1: you can deploy your guys. Now and all of a sudden,

662
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: you know you got it. Joe Brady, Now who has

663
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: to come up with ideas on how to you know,

664
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: use that use these guys. But it's always been a

665
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:31,879
Speaker 1: thing in the NFL where you a club has a vision,

666
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: or a GM or coaching staff has a vision for

667
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: a player, and when one of those people involved in

668
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 1: that decision has a chance to bring the guy with

669
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: him to another place. We saw this with Sean McDermott

670
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: and Brandon early on when they brought all these Carolina

671
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 1: guys up here Star Low two, Lala and the like.

672
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: You you just feel like that guy can do something

673
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: for you that maybe another team didn't see or has

674
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: not been able to exploit. And so see if that's

675
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 1: the case for Kurts. But right now, I mean to me, yes,

676
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 1: Curtis Samuel may have all that hidden skills set and

677
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: all that stuff. I just want the guy to play X.

678
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 1: You know, just just give us, just catch the balls

679
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: of the throne tow you X.

680
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 2: May not need to if they draft somebody early, yeah

681
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 2: we'll see.

682
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

683
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 2: But knowing he can play out there if needed is great.

684
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 2: And then even if he does for the first three

685
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 2: games of the season, you can get to Week four,

686
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 2: big division game and all of a sudden he's lined

687
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 2: up in the backfield and the defense is like, what

688
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 2: what's going on? That's what I like.

689
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 1: However, you can get it done. And I here's the

690
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: thing I've been listening to, you know, all everybody, every

691
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:44,839
Speaker 1: radio station in town and around the country is talking about,

692
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: you know, offensive coordination, lining guys up and getting the

693
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: most out of him and matchups and all of that stuff.

694
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 1: And really what it comes down to is that when

695
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 1: when these guys line up most of the time in

696
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,399
Speaker 1: the first series of a game, the coaching staff has

697
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: a really good idea of what's gonna happen when when

698
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 1: we come out in this personnel, in this formation and

699
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:14,280
Speaker 1: use this motion, they're gonna do this, which is why

700
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: offenses come out and a lot of times have a

701
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: lot of success. They'll come out and they you know,

702
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: we've heard a lot about how this offense really comes

703
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 1: out and they script these plays and they're really good

704
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: and stuff. Then guys like Sean McDermott and Steve Spagnolo

705
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: and all these defensive wizards start to all right, if

706
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 1: you're gonna do that, we're gonna do this. Then all right,

707
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,320
Speaker 1: here we go. Guys do this now and they make adjustment.

708
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 1: Then all of a sudden, now it's on. Now it's on,

709
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: And now you're back to all right, what are they

710
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 1: gonna do? What are we gonna do? What are they

711
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 1: gonna do? What are we gonna do? And who can

712
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: make adjustments and stay on top of it? That's you know,

713
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: that's all well and good. You gotta it's what happens

714
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: after you're off the script that wins games these days,

715
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Speaker 1: And can you get your guys against their guys that

716
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: they can beat guys like Curtis Samuel and Steph Diggs

717
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 1: and Ken Kaid and cook it. They're problems because you've

718
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 1: got to have a certain kind of athlete on them,

719
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 1: and you may not have that many to go around.

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Speaker 2: Brandon Bean was also asked about the overall free agent

721
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Speaker 2: activity and the acquisitions for Buffalo's roster thus far this

722
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Speaker 2: offseason and where it could go from here. Here are

723
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Speaker 2: Brandon's thoughts on that.

724
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Speaker 4: I feel like, you know, as hard as we knew

725
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Speaker 4: it would be with the cap, I feel like we're

726
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 4: in a pretty good spot.

727
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Speaker 3: Do we have some.

728
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Speaker 4: Holes, yes, but I don't feel like, man, we've got

729
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 4: something gaping that we've got to get round one or

730
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Speaker 4: round two per se. But yeah, well, and we'll continue.

731
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Speaker 4: You know, free agency is not over. We're you know,

732
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 4: we're still trying to fill some podsit in. Obviously, we've

733
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Speaker 4: used a good portion of what we created cap wise,

734
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Speaker 4: so I wouldn't expect anything.

735
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Speaker 2: Big, right, which I think we anticipated. He said. They

736
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 2: have about six to seven million in room under the cap.

737
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,879
Speaker 2: Obviously they'll get another ten come June one, but they're

738
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Speaker 2: gonna need most of that for their draft class, if

739
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 2: not all of it, right, So that's minor deals if

740
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 2: any coming down the pike here.

741
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And what will happen is after June one, then

742
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 1: they can sign their rookie class, of course, but then

743
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,800
Speaker 1: they can also sign guys to veteran a bunch of

744
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 1: guys to veteran minimums because they won't be among the

745
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 1: top fifty one guys on their roster, and it won't

746
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 1: you won't. They don't add to the cap. So that's

747
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:37,840
Speaker 1: kind of the way it works. They only count the

748
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:42,439
Speaker 1: fifty one highest contracts on your roster towards the cap.

749
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Speaker 2: Well, the interesting thing was Brandon said that your practice

750
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 2: squad now counts towards your cap. Oh, there you go,

751
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 2: which I found interesting because that's a sixteen player squad

752
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 2: now and it can be upwards of three and a

753
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 2: half million dollars.

754
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Speaker 1: So because they're all making yeah, so it's an issue

755
00:41:58,719 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 1: four hundred grand or something.

756
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Speaker 2: So it'll be interesting to see how they navigate that

757
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 2: cap space that they currently have between now and the

758
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 2: draft and then obviously post draft, if what's left.

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Speaker 1: If they start counting the practice squad against the cap,

760
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Speaker 1: how long is it going to be before game day

761
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 1: rosters fifty guys they're already on the cap. Yeah, I

762
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 1: mean you got sixty nine guys to choose from.

763
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 2: Right, and you're already at forty eight if you dress alignment.

764
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I mean it's going to be fifty to

765
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Speaker 1: fifty three guys.

766
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Speaker 2: And you already get two practice squad elevations and if

767
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Speaker 2: you need.

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Speaker 1: Them, that's that's rolling downhill. That's going to happen right

769
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 1: your game day, Your game day roster is going to

770
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Speaker 1: be fifty plus here pretty quick. If they're counting the

771
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Speaker 1: practice squad on the cap anyway.

772
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Speaker 2: Which didn't I don't know. We got to investigate that

773
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,720
Speaker 2: because obviously in the offseason, got a ninety player roster

774
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Speaker 2: and the top fifty one count in the off season,

775
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,800
Speaker 2: and I think the whole roster counts during the season.

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Speaker 2: So you might have had it flipped from what you

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Speaker 2: were is that? What were you thinking it the other

778
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Speaker 2: way around?

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Speaker 1: The Yeah, I just thought at this time of year,

780
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 1: is the top fifty one, right?

781
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 2: Once you get to the regular season, it's your roster

782
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 2: and your practice squad, right, So it gets considerably because

783
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:23,760
Speaker 2: it's ninety guys.

784
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: You know, you can't fit ninety guys under that skit cap.

785
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Speaker 2: We got to take a break, but when we come back,

786
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Speaker 2: we will hear what Brandon Bean has to say about

787
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 2: the newest anticipated Bill. It is not official yet from

788
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 2: the team, but Brandon Bean all but assured that Austin Johnson,

789
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 2: free agent defensive tackle, has agreed to terms. What does

790
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,280
Speaker 2: he think of him as an addition to the roster.

791
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 2: We'll get that next here on One Bill's Live, presented

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00:43:48,480 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 2: by a lot of health It's Buffalo Bills Radio. All right,

793
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 2: welcome back to One Bills Live. As we told you

794
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Speaker 2: before the break, General manager Brandon Bean, who addressed the

795
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 2: media at the owners meetings in Orlando late yesterday afternoon,

796
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:20,240
Speaker 2: all but confirmed that free agent defensive tackle Austin Johnson

797
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 2: will be signing with the Bills. Not official yet, but

798
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 2: he did say that the player had agreed to terms. Obviously,

799
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 2: day Kwon Jones, Austin Johnson's former college and NFL teammate

800
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 2: with the Titans, kind of broke the news that he

801
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 2: would be signing with the Bills on Twitter over the weekend,

802
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 2: which I found kind of humorous. But Brandon was asked

803
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 2: about Austin Johnson with that news coming out from Daikwon Jones.

804
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 2: So here is what Brandon thinks about the addition of

805
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,280
Speaker 2: Austin Johnson to the defensive front.

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00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 4: I think Austin coincidentally played at Penn State and went

807
00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 4: to the Titans, so he and Daikwon kwon broke the

808
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 4: news whenever that was yesterday his next life. But I

809
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 4: think they have a very similar skill set. They're both

810
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:09,839
Speaker 4: going to start as a one tech. I think even

811
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 4: Dayque you've seen in our system improve his pass rush,

812
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 4: and we do think Austin can can kind of follow

813
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:17,879
Speaker 4: that same trajectory.

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00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,439
Speaker 3: Brought him in for a visit. Great young man.

815
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Speaker 4: You know, he talked about the importance of a winning culture,

816
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 4: winning team, and obviously Daiquon was helping sell you know,

817
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 4: our situation. So uh yeah, we're excited to get him

818
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 4: and hopefully get that sign, you know, at some point

819
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Speaker 4: this week.

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Speaker 2: So at some point this week they expected to be finalized.

821
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 2: And interesting because it sounds as though Austin Johnson is

822
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Speaker 2: going to be Dae Kwon's backup in the one technique role,

823
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 2: knowing Ed plays the three. So now they're probably in

824
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 2: the market for a three, whether that's in the draft

825
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 2: or you know, some other free agent, largely of the

826
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Speaker 2: bargain variety. You would anticipate knowing their cap situation is tight,

827
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 2: but Austin Johnson solid player. I mean, that's a solid ad.

828
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 2: I remember watching him push the line of scrimmage and

829
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 2: giving the guys inside in that game in Week sixteen

830
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 2: out in LA between the Bills and the Chargers all

831
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 2: they can handle. He's a load in there.

832
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's gonna help, certainly. I mean, they're not signing

833
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:23,240
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald, but he's gonna be a really good player,

834
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 1: a solid pro who brings something to the table, and

835
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Speaker 1: that's what you're gonna that's kind of what you're looking at.

836
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: And he was guy who went came to Buffalo, then

837
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 1: visited Arizona. Now he's back in Buffalo and probably you know,

838
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 1: sitting there like this way in both options, sitting now,

839
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:42,359
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to Buffalo for whatever reason. We can

840
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 1: ask him when he shows up, you know why Buffalo?

841
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 1: Why not Arizona? Why not some of the other teams?

842
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 2: Just by virtue of the math, Now that you have

843
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 2: two quote unquote nose tackles and only one three technique

844
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 2: in ed logic would say, maybe that's the kind of

845
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 2: defensive tackle they're looking for in the draft. And there

846
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:05,720
Speaker 2: would appear on the surface this year in the draft

847
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 2: class to be more penetrating style defensive tackles than nose

848
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Speaker 2: tackles per se. We've taken calls in the last week

849
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 2: on Texas's to and Andre Sweat, now that is a

850
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 2: nose tackle. He's three hundred and sixty two pounds six

851
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 2: foot four. His teammate Byron Murphy, who's six ' three

852
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 2: three point fifteen, is a three tech who's probably going

853
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 2: to go in the top fifteen picks. But there are

854
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 2: others that could be in the range for the Bills,

855
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 2: like Johnny Newton from Illinois, for example, is a three

856
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 2: technique defensive tackle, penetrating style.

857
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 1: Three techniques over the guard. The nose tackle is right

858
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 1: over the center. So it's just a little bit of

859
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: a different alignment and it takes a different dude on

860
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 1: different techniques. So we'll yeah, we'll see. They still have

861
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 1: to sign what at least five guys for training camp

862
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 1: out there. So this is just the beginning it. We're

863
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 1: a month away from the draft and it's getting more

864
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:06,399
Speaker 1: and more interesting as we get closer, because as these

865
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: teams fill up, and like Brandon said, he goes we

866
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: don't have really a positional need, you know, right now,

867
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,800
Speaker 1: no gaping holes. Certainly there's some guys they want to

868
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: sign and guys that wish they had more depth at

869
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 1: whatever position. But by the time the draft gets here,

870
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 1: you can bet you're going to take the best player

871
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:27,720
Speaker 1: out of probably one or two different position groups, maybe three.

872
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 2: Right. But I think it's good that they're working on

873
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 2: the nose tackle end of things because I think there

874
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 2: are more penetrating defensive tackle prospects in this year's draft

875
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:40,839
Speaker 2: class that should be on the board around the time

876
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 2: the Bills select in round one, and we'll have to

877
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 2: see what's left come you know, round two if they

878
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 2: don't address it in round one. Last comment from Brandon

879
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 2: Bean comes regarding the role that Tarren Johnson will now

880
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 2: have to play in what is a vastly overturned secondary.

881
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 2: Jordan Poyer, no Micah Hyde, no Dame Jackson, no Tredavious White.

882
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 2: So with all that in mind, many believe that Tarren Johnson,

883
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 2: who's one of the lone holdovers that's been on that

884
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:16,959
Speaker 2: defense since twenty eighteen, will assume a new leadership role.

885
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 2: Here is Brandon Bean's thoughts on that.

886
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 4: Glad that we were able to extend him and what

887
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:25,800
Speaker 4: he's brought to this, you know, to this defense and

888
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 4: this team, you know, the nickel position. He's you know,

889
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 4: he was rewarded or you know, with the honor this

890
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:34,359
Speaker 4: year a second team All Pro and we feel like.

891
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 3: It's been warranted even before now.

892
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 4: But it was nice to see him get that and

893
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 4: glad we were able to work out the deal to

894
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 4: get him extended, knowing some of the names that may

895
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 4: not be in the in our secondary next year, and

896
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 4: that's one of the things when he came in and signed,

897
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,479
Speaker 4: we talked about, Hey, now's your time, like go earn

898
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 4: that sea on your chest now that some of the

899
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 4: other veterans that you learned from, you know, are no

900
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 4: longer here.

901
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 3: And I think he's up for the challenge and excited

902
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 3: for that opportunit.

903
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 2: And we heard as much from Taran in his press

904
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 2: conference with the media on a zoom call after he

905
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 2: signed the extension. He's ready, willing and able to be

906
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 2: a more vocal leader, which I think he'll have to

907
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 2: be on the back end there.

908
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a little bit of a weird dynamic in

909
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:16,359
Speaker 1: the locker room because Terarrn comes in, he's a fifth

910
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: round draft pick and all say he's on the field

911
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 1: and he plays, he plays well, then he plays better

912
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 1: than that. He's an All Pro and all of a sudden,

913
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 1: you wake up one day, you sign a three year

914
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 1: extension after your second contract, and like you're an old guy. Yeah,

915
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:31,439
Speaker 1: you know, now he's got he's looking around the room

916
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 1: and some of the guy a lot of the guys

917
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 1: that showed him the ropes and were part of his

918
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 1: formative years as a pro are gone, and you got

919
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 1: he looks around and he's got guys that all came

920
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 1: in after he did and consider him an older player.

921
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 1: And it's a moment, you know, for all a lot

922
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 1: of guys. It was a moment for me. It happened

923
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:54,879
Speaker 1: to me too, I mean. And to have Brandon and

924
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 1: the Bills front office come to him and say, hey, listen,

925
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 1: here's the deal, and he's a to it, no question

926
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 1: about it, but no question. But don't forget you know,

927
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: it is a new role for him. It's something that

928
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:07,959
Speaker 1: he hasn't had to do up until this point. And it's, uh,

929
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 1: it's you know, the past. You know, the passage of

930
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 1: time keeps happening and guys that were once young, fresh

931
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 1: faced kids who are just trying to make the squad

932
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:19,359
Speaker 1: turn into these guys that are like, wow, dude, I'm

933
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 1: so glad we got him.

934
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:24,320
Speaker 2: And well, I I don't have any doubt he'll willingly accept,

935
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 2: you know, being more of a vocal leader. The communication

936
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 2: on the field is still going to have to come

937
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 2: from a safety though, because he's often up at the

938
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 2: line of scrimmage. Communicating with his fellow dbs really isn't

939
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:38,319
Speaker 2: realistic all the way up there at the line. So

940
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 2: in terms of being vocal on the field to call

941
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 2: out you know, calls and stuff, I don't think that's

942
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 2: gonna happen. But just in terms of rallying the troops

943
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 2: and you know, being a leader for hey, you know,

944
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:53,879
Speaker 2: kind of pulling people together or holding them together when

945
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 2: a couple of things are going wrong. I think that's

946
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 2: where he'll probably step up.

947
00:51:57,800 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 1: You got it well. And now he's played long And

948
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 1: that's true because now he's played long enough. He's been there. Yeah,

949
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 1: he's been punched in the face of a couple of

950
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 1: times and had to kind of hang in and he's

951
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:08,400
Speaker 1: got to teach guys how to do it and how

952
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 1: to have that toughness. It's a he's seen how it's

953
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 1: supposed to work in the NFL, and now he's you know,

954
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 1: he's charged with helping other guys see it too.

955
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 2: Break time for us here, But when we begin our

956
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 2: number two, we're going to be doing it with our

957
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 2: good friend from Fox Sports. NFL Rules analyst Dean Blandino

958
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:31,319
Speaker 2: joining us. Also the former vice president of NFL Officiating

959
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 2: for about a five year span. We want to talk

960
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:37,240
Speaker 2: to him about this new proposed kickoff for the NFL.

961
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 2: Is there enough support for it to get through? And

962
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 2: when we talked to Dean about that next year. On

963
00:52:42,719 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 2: One Bill's Live presented by Colia Health, It's Buffalo Bill's Radio.

964
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 1: This One Bills Live presented by Kaleida Health.

965
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 2: Good to have with us. Now Fox Sports NFL Rules

966
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 2: analyst Dean Blandino joining the show, Also the former NFL

967
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 2: VP of Officiating for about five seasons and now the

968
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:48,839
Speaker 2: head of officiating for the newly formed UFL. Dean, thanks

969
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:51,880
Speaker 2: for giving us some time. It looks like we could

970
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 2: be seeing a sea of change on the kickoff in

971
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:58,399
Speaker 2: the NFL. But you are wholly familiar with this, having

972
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 2: witnessed it, you know, previously, And the thing I want

973
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 2: to first kind of get your take on is this

974
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 2: is kind of a collaborative thing that the XFL kind

975
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:13,479
Speaker 2: of did with the NFL. Can you maybe just lay

976
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 2: that out for us first, Like, was this kind of

977
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 2: like a test run in the XFL so the NFL

978
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:21,919
Speaker 2: could get a look at it. Was there some collaboration there?

979
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 6: Well, I think it eventually evolved into that. I think

980
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 6: prior to the reboot of the XFL in twenty twenty,

981
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 6: we got together had a lot of conversations about the kickoff,

982
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:36,319
Speaker 6: looking at the trends in the NFL and the kick

983
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 6: return numbers going down, so you know, we try to say, Okay,

984
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 6: let's keep the return in the game, but let's try

985
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:45,800
Speaker 6: to reduce the speed and the spacing of the players.

986
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 6: And I think that's where the XFL kickoff was born

987
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 6: out of. And it was, you know, very different, a

988
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:54,719
Speaker 6: drastic change from what we're used to, and I think

989
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 6: the NFL took notice and there was a lot of

990
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:01,880
Speaker 6: good collaboration, a lot of conversations the NFL trying to understand, Okay,

991
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,800
Speaker 6: what is this kickoff about, give us, give us the details,

992
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 6: what's your experience been. And the experience was positive in

993
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 6: the XFL, with a high rate of returns a low

994
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:14,320
Speaker 6: rate of injury, and then obviously with where the kickoff

995
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:17,799
Speaker 6: return was last year for the NFL twenty twenty three,

996
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,400
Speaker 6: historic low in terms of returns twenty two percent, and

997
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 6: it became almost a non play. And so the league

998
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:28,879
Speaker 6: is looking at making some pretty significant changes and they're

999
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 6: at the League meeting right now having these conversations and

1000
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 6: thinking about these changes as we speak.

1001
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 1: So if this thing comes through and it passed with

1002
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 1: line CO, I think it'll probably they may push it

1003
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 1: back to May and those you know, the later on

1004
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 1: with the ownership meetings that come in a couple of months.

1005
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 1: What will it looked like? What has been the I

1006
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:51,759
Speaker 1: mean when you see a kickoff now with this new

1007
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 1: line alignment, what's going to look like?

1008
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 3: What?

1009
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 1: What the what's the personality going to be?

1010
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:56,840
Speaker 5: Sure?

1011
00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:57,319
Speaker 3: Sure?

1012
00:55:57,360 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 6: And I do think this will get pushed to May.

1013
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:02,400
Speaker 6: I really I don't think, you know, with everything that's happened,

1014
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:04,840
Speaker 6: and it's been feels like it's been a short window

1015
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 6: to try to get all this input and create this play.

1016
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:09,399
Speaker 6: So I do think they'll push it to the May

1017
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:13,240
Speaker 6: meeting and ultimately vote on it then. But this is different.

1018
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:15,839
Speaker 6: This is the kicker at the thirty five still, but

1019
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 6: then everybody else is on the other side of the fifty,

1020
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 6: So the remaining ten kicking team players would be on

1021
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 6: the return team's forty. And then you would have a

1022
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 6: five yard belt from the return teams thirty five to

1023
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:31,760
Speaker 6: the thirty and you would have you would have eight

1024
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 6: up to nine return team players in that belt, with

1025
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 6: seven at least seven on that restraining line. On that

1026
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:42,759
Speaker 6: thirty five, you could have one or two returners deep.

1027
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 6: And then the ball has to make a target line,

1028
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 6: so the ball has to reach the twenty, and then

1029
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 6: once the ball hits the ground or is touched by

1030
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 6: the returner beyond the twenty, the play begins. So you

1031
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 6: have those players where normally a traditional kickoff, you've got

1032
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:59,399
Speaker 6: the kick the kicking team. You know, it's a long run,

1033
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 6: there's a lot of space, and then you get you

1034
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 6: have the opportunity and potential for more high speed collisions.

1035
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 6: This keeps the players bunched together and it becomes almost

1036
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 6: more like a scrimmage play, possibly a little more like

1037
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:14,839
Speaker 6: a punt in terms of more catch blocks versus that

1038
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 6: that real attack block where you're coming together with with

1039
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 6: high distance with you know, long distance and high speed.

1040
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 6: So I think that's what the play will look like.

1041
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:27,440
Speaker 6: And again, it'll be interesting to see how this thing

1042
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 6: goes in the next you know, the next couple of weeks, months,

1043
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 6: and how they how they figure out getting this thing

1044
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 6: into the NFL.

1045
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 1: Explain what happens if the ball goes into the end zone,

1046
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 1: if it gets touched back, if the guy catches it.

1047
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 1: You know, there's because there's a chance that it could

1048
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 1: be spotted on the thirty five, and then there's some

1049
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 1: instances where it's only the twenty. What are the differences

1050
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 1: and how's that work?

1051
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, two different touchback spots. And I think again the

1052
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 6: theory is to incentivize the return. So if the kicker

1053
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 6: just you know, kicks it out out through the end zone,

1054
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 6: like we've seen a lot in the last you know,

1055
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:00,920
Speaker 6: last couple of years, that would come out to thirty five.

1056
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 6: But if the ball hits in the field of play

1057
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 6: and then goes into the end zone, that would only

1058
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 6: be the twenty. And so so there's an incentive in

1059
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 6: terms of the kicker. Hey, I don't want to just

1060
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 6: bang it through the end zone because I'm giving my

1061
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 6: opponent pretty really good field position. The thirty five. And

1062
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 6: then for the returner, if I'm just gonna let it

1063
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 6: go into the end zone, I'm not gonna get that

1064
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:23,919
Speaker 6: benefit of the thirty five. I'm actually gonna get worse

1065
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 6: field positions. So again, it's built. It's designed to incentivize

1066
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 6: the returns with the with the theory of with the

1067
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 6: closer proximity of the players, it will be a safer play.

1068
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 1: Do you see the ball getting line drived into the

1069
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 1: twenty and then making it a hot ball to try

1070
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 1: and field, because then you don't risk the thirty five,

1071
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 1: You just risk maybe landing it short of the twenty

1072
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 1: the other twenty that kind of thing.

1073
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 2: Is that, Well you do that and then they get

1074
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 2: it at the forty. Yeah.

1075
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 6: Good, So that was That's a great question because we

1076
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 6: went through that. We went through that with the XFL.

1077
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 6: Is you know what this really does is it gets

1078
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 6: rid of the squipt kicks, It gets rid of that

1079
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 6: line drive because there's a lot of you could do it,

1080
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 6: but there's a lot of risk. You better be sure

1081
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 6: because if you don't make the twenty, now it's like

1082
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 6: a kickoff out of bounds and you're gonna give your

1083
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 6: opponent the ball of the forty, So there's a lot

1084
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 6: of risk there to try to just you know, obviously,

1085
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:19,840
Speaker 6: if you could get it to the eighteen to seventeen

1086
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 6: yard line on the fly, that would be a good

1087
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 6: thing for the kicking team, but there's a lot of

1088
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 6: risk there if you don't make the twenty.

1089
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 2: So what was the general approach of kicking teams with

1090
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 2: this rule in the XFL that you observed, what was

1091
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 2: the general approach you know that they felt was most

1092
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 2: advantageous to keep you know, the opponent's drive start as

1093
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 2: far down the field as possible.

1094
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 6: The general approach ended up being kick it, kick it,

1095
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 6: you know, between the numbers, and try to get it

1096
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 6: somewhere in that you know, if you can get it

1097
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 6: from the ten down to the goal line, if you

1098
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 6: can hit it in the field of play, somewhere in

1099
00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:00,160
Speaker 6: that range. But they didn't mess around with the with

1100
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 6: the boundary because if you kicked it out of bounds,

1101
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 6: that was a significant penalty. Like we just talked about,

1102
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 6: if you try to if you try to pooch it

1103
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 6: or or line drive it and just catch the twenty,

1104
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 6: there's there's there's significant risk there. So it was really

1105
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 6: between the numbers and what we saw was returners on average,

1106
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:18,200
Speaker 6: you know, catching the ball right around the five yard

1107
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 6: line and then and then you know, trying to make

1108
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 6: a return. Typically in twenty twenty three, the drive start

1109
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 6: was just shy the thirty, which was a couple of

1110
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:28,919
Speaker 6: yards more than where the NFL was and we felt

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01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 6: that was a good number. And and that's kind of

1112
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 6: what we saw our teams do for the most part

1113
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 6: in the twenty twenty three.

1114
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 1: And what about some of the other numbers about like

1115
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 1: percentage of kicks return for touchdowns, percentage of you know,

1116
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 1: all the all the numbers that they run.

1117
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 6: Sure, so the returns were significantly up. You had you

1118
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 6: had ninety ninety percent of the returns of the kicks

1119
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:52,240
Speaker 6: were returned, so that that was a positive number for

1120
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 6: the XFL. We didn't have a ton of kick returns

1121
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 6: for touchdowns. There was there was really only one and

1122
01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 6: so that explosive return and that's what we saw, you know,

1123
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 6: it became a for lack of a better term, it

1124
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:07,680
Speaker 6: was a vanilla play wherever it looked the same. Yeah,

1125
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 6: there was a decent return, but we didn't have those explosives. So,

1126
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:14,080
Speaker 6: you know, before the merger with the with the USFL.

1127
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:16,800
Speaker 6: We had talked about making some changes, more so on

1128
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 6: the return team.

1129
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:18,680
Speaker 3: Similar what the.

1130
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 6: NFL is doing, they're giving because the XFL, all the

1131
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 6: return team players were it was it was the thirty

1132
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 6: five and the thirty and they were all on the line.

1133
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:29,160
Speaker 6: And so what the NFL has done is creative a belt,

1134
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 6: and they'd given the return team some more opportunities to

1135
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 6: do some different things and be creative in the return game.

1136
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:36,840
Speaker 6: And that's where we were headed with the XFL, and

1137
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:39,200
Speaker 6: then obviously with the merger with the USFL, we had

1138
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:41,400
Speaker 6: to kind of combine the two kickoffs and.

1139
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:42,120
Speaker 3: Figure that out.

1140
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:46,480
Speaker 2: One important thing to mention here is the fair catch

1141
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 2: was only a one year rule proposal last year. That

1142
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 2: is no longer an option here on these on this

1143
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:54,880
Speaker 2: new kickoff correct, Yeah, the.

1144
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 6: Fair catch would go away, but actually you would not

1145
01:01:57,400 --> 01:02:01,400
Speaker 6: be able to fair catch on a kickoff in this

1146
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 6: new setup. And again it's going to be interesting because,

1147
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:05,880
Speaker 6: like you said, that was a one year change, so

1148
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:08,600
Speaker 6: that would have to be voted back in. If we

1149
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 6: don't get something done right now, you know, we could

1150
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:14,880
Speaker 6: end up with the twenty twenty two kickoff rule, or

1151
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:17,440
Speaker 6: we could end up with something completely different where we

1152
01:02:17,600 --> 01:02:19,080
Speaker 6: just don't have a kickoff and we put the ball

1153
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 6: in the twenty five and we go, which would be

1154
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:24,280
Speaker 6: a significant and a drastic change. I certainly wouldn't be

1155
01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 6: in favor of that, but so hopefully they can figure

1156
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:29,919
Speaker 6: this out and get something done at the May meeting.

1157
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:32,920
Speaker 1: And certainly when you start talking about just turning the

1158
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:34,400
Speaker 1: ball over to the offense, give them the ball. In

1159
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 1: twenty you got to do something about an on side

1160
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:41,560
Speaker 1: kick situation that always that you know, that desperation moment

1161
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 1: when a team actually you know, tries to get the

1162
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 1: ball back. What's the ruling on that with this new

1163
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:47,360
Speaker 1: kickoff setup.

1164
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:51,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, so with this new kickoff setup, you eliminate you know,

1165
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:53,919
Speaker 6: the surprise on side kick, right, you just you can't

1166
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:56,480
Speaker 6: do it, and so you would have to declare. So

1167
01:02:56,600 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 6: it's part of this rule change. A team in the

1168
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:02,560
Speaker 6: fourth quarter, if they were behind, they could declare an

1169
01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 6: on side kick and it would go back to the

1170
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:08,600
Speaker 6: twenty twenty three rule for the kickoff with the alignment,

1171
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:11,920
Speaker 6: and you would you know, still no run up, but

1172
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:15,200
Speaker 6: you would have that normal alignment that we had in

1173
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:17,240
Speaker 6: twenty twenty three, and you could attempt an onside and

1174
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:20,480
Speaker 6: all the normal rules would apply. Obviously, if you got

1175
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:22,520
Speaker 6: rid of the kickoff altogether, you'd have to have an

1176
01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 6: alternative right, And that's why Philadelphia proposed a fourth and twenty.

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01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:29,720
Speaker 6: You know, got to have it play. The XFL used

1178
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 6: a version of that fourth and fifteen. USFL had a

1179
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 6: fourth and twelve play. It's an exciting play. It's different

1180
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:38,000
Speaker 6: from the onside kick, and I think the concern with

1181
01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:40,200
Speaker 6: the onside kick right now for the NFL is that

1182
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 6: its success rate is significantly lower than where it had been.

1183
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:46,800
Speaker 6: Last year was a five percent success rate on non

1184
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:49,480
Speaker 6: surprise on side kicks. That's a low number. And when

1185
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:52,160
Speaker 6: you talk about that play, like you said, that's such

1186
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:54,520
Speaker 6: an integral part of the game, because a team that's

1187
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 6: behind multiple scores with four minutes to go without a

1188
01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:02,280
Speaker 6: viable on side option, the game's over. And that's not

1189
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 6: what we want for our fans and for our game.

1190
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:08,200
Speaker 6: We want those exciting finishes and those opportunities for comebacks.

1191
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:10,160
Speaker 2: All right, So last one I've got for you, Dean.

1192
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:12,880
Speaker 2: I know you said your anticipation is that it'll get

1193
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 2: tabled till May meetings and there won't be a ruling

1194
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:19,280
Speaker 2: on it. Necessarily here in the March meetings. But do

1195
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:23,240
Speaker 2: you sense that. I mean, it's obvious that they feel

1196
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:26,240
Speaker 2: change is necessary, but do you feel that there is

1197
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:30,520
Speaker 2: enough support for this proposed change to get three quarters

1198
01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:31,040
Speaker 2: of the vote.

1199
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:35,760
Speaker 6: I think right now probably not, because there's been so

1200
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:39,440
Speaker 6: much work done and great work the special teams, coaches,

1201
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 6: and I just don't know. You have a league meeting

1202
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:46,480
Speaker 6: that started yesterday and now you're asking the ownership the

1203
01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:50,080
Speaker 6: membership to vote today. They just don't have all the details,

1204
01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:52,720
Speaker 6: they don't have all the understanding, and so you gotta

1205
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:54,880
Speaker 6: vet it out more. And I think giving some time,

1206
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 6: I think that's the right thing to do. If you

1207
01:04:56,960 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 6: don't have the time on the front end, let's figure

1208
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:01,840
Speaker 6: this out, let's have some more conversations. I don't think

1209
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 6: they have the votes right now. Maybe after having more

1210
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:08,320
Speaker 6: conversations and everybody getting a better understanding of it, they'll

1211
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:11,000
Speaker 6: have the votes in May. But I would be shocked

1212
01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:14,320
Speaker 6: with everything that the health and safety folks have talked

1213
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:17,600
Speaker 6: about from the NFL and the higher rate of injury

1214
01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:20,120
Speaker 6: and everything else that we're talking about, I'd be shocked

1215
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:24,200
Speaker 6: if there isn't some change. And I do think that

1216
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:27,720
Speaker 6: in may with some more time to talk through and

1217
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:30,040
Speaker 6: vet through this that I think that's when they have

1218
01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:31,640
Speaker 6: a better chance of getting something done.

1219
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:34,080
Speaker 1: And there's also and like you say, we talk about

1220
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:37,360
Speaker 1: rule changes every year in the NFL, the game evolves constantly.

1221
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:41,560
Speaker 1: Do you sense any more pushback about the hip drop

1222
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:43,400
Speaker 1: tackle that they're going to get. I mean, I saw

1223
01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:46,400
Speaker 1: a release by the players Union and they're kind of

1224
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:48,720
Speaker 1: sticking up for the defensive guys saying, hey, listen, you know,

1225
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:52,000
Speaker 1: we we got to be able to play. What's the

1226
01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:55,720
Speaker 1: conversation around the hip drop tackle, because it's a little

1227
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:58,000
Speaker 1: bit like the old horse collar tackle, except they just

1228
01:05:58,040 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 1: grab the guy lower, right.

1229
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:02,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's similar to the horse collar. I think the

1230
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:05,080
Speaker 6: biggest difference with the horse collar though, is that you

1231
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:08,800
Speaker 6: had an objective element where they grab the collar. But

1232
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:10,720
Speaker 6: the horse collar, you don't have to land on the

1233
01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:12,320
Speaker 6: back of the legs. Right, If you just pull the

1234
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:14,800
Speaker 6: runner toward the ground and the knees buckle, it's a foul.

1235
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:17,880
Speaker 6: This really part of that rule would be landing on

1236
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:20,360
Speaker 6: the back of the legs. And so my concern with

1237
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:22,360
Speaker 6: the hip drop, and I think it's the concern of

1238
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:25,880
Speaker 6: the NFLPA and a lot of people that are pushing

1239
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:28,080
Speaker 6: back on this is how do you officiate it?

1240
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:28,320
Speaker 3: Right?

1241
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:30,880
Speaker 6: I'm if I'm going to chase vote and I'm trying

1242
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:32,600
Speaker 6: to drag a runner down from behind it and I

1243
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:34,920
Speaker 6: catch the back of his legs, is that going to

1244
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:37,360
Speaker 6: be a fifteen yard penalty? And I think that's a concern.

1245
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:40,280
Speaker 6: So you got to clearly define it, use good video

1246
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:42,800
Speaker 6: examples of what is and what isn't. I think the

1247
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:45,560
Speaker 6: league's approach they want to get it in the rule book,

1248
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:48,240
Speaker 6: but I think, and they've been pretty transparent about this,

1249
01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:50,760
Speaker 6: they do not want the officials if this rule goes in,

1250
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:52,440
Speaker 6: they don't They're not going to tell their officials to

1251
01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:54,560
Speaker 6: throw a bunch of flags. They're going to do this

1252
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:58,760
Speaker 6: during the week with video review and fines and warning letters,

1253
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:01,280
Speaker 6: which is kind of It's tough when you put in

1254
01:07:01,320 --> 01:07:02,959
Speaker 6: a safety rule and you say, well, we're not gonna

1255
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:04,720
Speaker 6: call it on the field, We're gonna do it during

1256
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:07,160
Speaker 6: during the week. I think that's a tough message too.

1257
01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:09,800
Speaker 6: I just I just think this needs more vetting out

1258
01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:10,160
Speaker 6: as well.

1259
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:13,520
Speaker 1: But this that they did pass this rule, it is

1260
01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:16,280
Speaker 1: going to go into effect and just playing it despite

1261
01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:19,360
Speaker 1: all the conversation. We hear about all the other rule changes,

1262
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:20,520
Speaker 1: this one they're just putting it in.

1263
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:23,919
Speaker 6: They're gonna put Yeah, I don't know if the vote

1264
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:25,720
Speaker 6: has happened on it, but I'd be surprised if it

1265
01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:28,640
Speaker 6: doesn't go in. Again with the Health and Safety Group

1266
01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:30,640
Speaker 6: has said, is this you know, they they looked at

1267
01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:33,000
Speaker 6: twenty thousand tackles in the last couple of years. They

1268
01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:36,680
Speaker 6: see one horse collar tackle, one one hip drop tackle

1269
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:40,360
Speaker 6: per game. They've seen one injury per week. So they

1270
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:42,960
Speaker 6: want to try to get this out of the game.

1271
01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:45,360
Speaker 6: And uh, and so I would imagine this is going

1272
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:46,840
Speaker 6: to go in, and then it's going to take a

1273
01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:49,720
Speaker 6: lot of work on everybody's part to figure out. And look,

1274
01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:53,120
Speaker 6: the coaches and players, they figure it out, They adjust,

1275
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:55,480
Speaker 6: they they they kind of but it's there's gonna be

1276
01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:56,120
Speaker 6: some growing.

1277
01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:58,880
Speaker 2: Pains on this one, right Fox Sports NFL rules analyst

1278
01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:00,960
Speaker 2: Dean Blandino help it and spell out some of the

1279
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:03,120
Speaker 2: proposed changes that could be coming down the pike in

1280
01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:04,600
Speaker 2: the NFL. Dean, thanks very much.

1281
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:06,360
Speaker 3: You got it, guys.

1282
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:07,320
Speaker 1: All right.

1283
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:12,200
Speaker 2: So that's Dean Blandino joining us, and I I was

1284
01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:19,320
Speaker 2: most interested in how XFL kickoff teams approached this play,

1285
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:22,080
Speaker 2: you know to know what the strategy is going to be.

1286
01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:25,560
Speaker 2: Out of the gate and basically put it between the

1287
01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:27,479
Speaker 2: numbers so you don't risk putting it out of bounds

1288
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:33,360
Speaker 2: and probably down to about the ten and hope you

1289
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:35,960
Speaker 2: hang it. Your kicker can hang it up. So if

1290
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:39,080
Speaker 2: it doesn't bounce, or if it does bounce at the eight,

1291
01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:41,880
Speaker 2: and let's say it goes into the end zone, it

1292
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:43,960
Speaker 2: doesn't go through the back of the end zone, thereby

1293
01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:46,880
Speaker 2: forcing the return man to field it in some way

1294
01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:48,439
Speaker 2: and either take a knee to take it at the

1295
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:51,960
Speaker 2: twenty or take the chance of bringing it out, which

1296
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:53,240
Speaker 2: I would think is risky.

1297
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:59,320
Speaker 1: The yeah, that seems to be the like he said,

1298
01:08:59,439 --> 01:09:02,679
Speaker 1: what turns out to be is a high kick inside

1299
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:07,720
Speaker 1: the numbers, inside the ten in the air, and then

1300
01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:11,160
Speaker 1: you gotta cover it team, and then it's gonna look

1301
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:13,880
Speaker 1: a little bit more slow motion than a normal than

1302
01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:17,040
Speaker 1: the old day kickoff, of course, but even from what

1303
01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:20,880
Speaker 1: it's been lately, at least up until last year, and

1304
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:23,600
Speaker 1: last year, all of a sudden, nobody returned anything like

1305
01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:25,120
Speaker 1: one out of every five care.

1306
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:27,880
Speaker 2: Team kickoffs in the Super Bowl no return.

1307
01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:31,240
Speaker 1: So it turned into a nothing play. I knew that

1308
01:09:31,280 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 1: wouldn't stand. The league is far too sensitive to what

1309
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:37,000
Speaker 1: to the moment by moment where the games play out

1310
01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:40,080
Speaker 1: to let something like that go. They they tinkered with

1311
01:09:40,160 --> 01:09:42,320
Speaker 1: the extra point for crying out loud because it was

1312
01:09:42,360 --> 01:09:45,000
Speaker 1: one hundred percent play. You know, the kickers were just

1313
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:51,000
Speaker 1: too good. So they moved it back. And you knew

1314
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:53,880
Speaker 1: this wasn't gonna hang in there as just a nothing play.

1315
01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:56,240
Speaker 1: So they're gonna change, particularly since they changed it so

1316
01:09:56,280 --> 01:09:58,760
Speaker 1: egregiously last time they did four years ago or three

1317
01:09:58,840 --> 01:09:59,200
Speaker 1: years ago.

1318
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:01,160
Speaker 2: So now.

1319
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:05,200
Speaker 1: The interesting thing to me is, and you can imagine,

1320
01:10:05,200 --> 01:10:09,519
Speaker 1: I'm I'm approaching this from a you know, standing there

1321
01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:12,920
Speaker 1: waiting to cover it. There's so much thought. For me,

1322
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:14,800
Speaker 1: there was so much thought process going into what I

1323
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:17,280
Speaker 1: was gonna do on every given play. I'm really interested

1324
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:19,639
Speaker 1: in what that's gonna be like for these guys covering kicks,

1325
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:22,920
Speaker 1: because now somebody got to tackle the guy every every

1326
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:27,920
Speaker 1: kick is gonna get returned just about somebody's got to

1327
01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:32,200
Speaker 1: make a tackle every single time. And that means, you know,

1328
01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:36,000
Speaker 1: confrontation one way, shape or form, different. Ground has to

1329
01:10:36,040 --> 01:10:39,000
Speaker 1: be less, ground has to be covered unless somebody makes

1330
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:44,200
Speaker 1: a mistake and you're gonna be required to do different

1331
01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:46,840
Speaker 1: things than they have been asked to do in the past.

1332
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:52,080
Speaker 1: That means the guys are going to change, The techniques

1333
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:54,320
Speaker 1: are going to change, the practices are going to change.

1334
01:10:55,600 --> 01:11:00,560
Speaker 2: Which which makes the pushing back of the vote on

1335
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:08,280
Speaker 2: this potentially to May interesting because you gotta believe every

1336
01:11:08,479 --> 01:11:12,439
Speaker 2: I mean, we just saw Special Teams coach Matt Smiley

1337
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:15,040
Speaker 2: up in the cafeteria today grabbing a we're grabbing a

1338
01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:17,960
Speaker 2: cup of coffee and saw him and I gotta believe

1339
01:11:18,040 --> 01:11:21,920
Speaker 2: he's he's itching to get all of this new stuff

1340
01:11:22,240 --> 01:11:26,080
Speaker 2: in place. He's scott for when the offseason conditioning program

1341
01:11:26,240 --> 01:11:28,240
Speaker 2: starts and then you know, you got OTA's in May.

1342
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:32,760
Speaker 2: You gotta be ready to roll. Well, what are we doing? Like?

1343
01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:35,599
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, I gotta imagine it. Well,

1344
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:37,960
Speaker 2: I gotta imagine. It's very unnerving for the Special teams

1345
01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:41,160
Speaker 2: coordinators around the league because they sure they can anticipate this,

1346
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:42,040
Speaker 2: but until it's.

1347
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:44,400
Speaker 1: In, yeah, they they will be able to go and

1348
01:11:44,439 --> 01:11:47,400
Speaker 1: look at the XFL film. Right, and remember this too,

1349
01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:49,280
Speaker 1: a lot of the XFL coaching staffs and all that

1350
01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:52,519
Speaker 1: are are smattered with NFL former NFL players and coaches,

1351
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:54,640
Speaker 1: so they're not guys that don't know what's going on.

1352
01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:57,240
Speaker 1: Good coaching goes on over there, and there're you know,

1353
01:11:57,320 --> 01:11:59,200
Speaker 1: a lot of strategy and a lot of thought. So

1354
01:11:59,240 --> 01:12:01,080
Speaker 1: they're gonna be able to take some of what those

1355
01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:02,920
Speaker 1: guys have done and watch it on film. Once they

1356
01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:05,439
Speaker 1: get it on film and get enough of that stuff

1357
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:08,880
Speaker 1: on film, they're going to be able to formulate some

1358
01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:11,679
Speaker 1: drills and some thought process and the way they want.

1359
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:13,760
Speaker 2: To And I'm sure all of those plans are in place,

1360
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:16,880
Speaker 2: but I think, knowing definitively, hey this is going in

1361
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:19,880
Speaker 2: this year, let's get ready for it because it is drastic.

1362
01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:22,479
Speaker 2: You can, different from what you've coached the last five, ten,

1363
01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:23,439
Speaker 2: fifteen years.

1364
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:26,400
Speaker 1: None of your players have ever played it, done it right.

1365
01:12:26,479 --> 01:12:29,840
Speaker 1: So that's nobody, right, So isn't that unnervous? Like, Yeah,

1366
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:34,880
Speaker 1: it's like trying to teach a wide receiver to line

1367
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:37,000
Speaker 1: up like ten yards behind the line of the crimage,

1368
01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:39,040
Speaker 1: just like you know, taking them up to kendon and

1369
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:40,880
Speaker 1: teaching them the waggle where they can get a running

1370
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:42,600
Speaker 1: start to their routs. You know, on how that was

1371
01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:45,040
Speaker 1: all that? I mean, nobody's ever done it before down here.

1372
01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:47,840
Speaker 2: I'll guarantee you every special teams coordinator was hoping the

1373
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:50,760
Speaker 2: vote was going to be today whether they're or to

1374
01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:52,800
Speaker 2: take it out, but it looks like they're going to

1375
01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:57,720
Speaker 2: table it because to Dean's point, the ownership got a

1376
01:12:57,760 --> 01:12:59,760
Speaker 2: lot thrown at him in a very short period of time.

1377
01:12:59,840 --> 01:13:01,880
Speaker 2: And yeah, it's like trying to drink out of a

1378
01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:03,519
Speaker 2: fire hose and they're like, hold on a second, cut

1379
01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:05,439
Speaker 2: the water off. I know, let's just take a look

1380
01:13:05,479 --> 01:13:07,240
Speaker 2: at all of this and make sure what we're doing.

1381
01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:10,360
Speaker 2: To your point, as you always mentioned, there aren't any

1382
01:13:10,479 --> 01:13:14,120
Speaker 2: unintended consequences that surface. I mean, ultimately you want to

1383
01:13:14,160 --> 01:13:15,919
Speaker 2: say for game and one that's more entertaining.

1384
01:13:16,280 --> 01:13:18,840
Speaker 1: Here's the thing that you're you're dealing with thirty two businessmen,

1385
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:24,000
Speaker 1: not football coaches. They're the ones, and they come in

1386
01:13:24,160 --> 01:13:25,639
Speaker 1: and a lot of these guys, a lot of them

1387
01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:29,280
Speaker 1: come in and say they talk to their football guy.

1388
01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:31,960
Speaker 1: They talked to Sean mcdert. Like in the Terry Pagoula's

1389
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:34,000
Speaker 1: case or whatever owner you talk you're talking to the

1390
01:13:34,040 --> 01:13:36,519
Speaker 1: head coach in our case, Sean McDermott. You're talking to

1391
01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:39,960
Speaker 1: Brandon Bean. You're talking to your coordinators. And you're talking

1392
01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:43,080
Speaker 1: to guys on the competition committee. You're like, tell me

1393
01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:45,000
Speaker 1: about it, what do you think? And if you know,

1394
01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:46,639
Speaker 1: a lot of those owners are like, if you think

1395
01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:52,680
Speaker 1: it's good, let's go. But there are other owners who

1396
01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:56,800
Speaker 1: want to who need to know. Yeah, and some of

1397
01:13:56,880 --> 01:13:59,479
Speaker 1: them parachute in for the owner's meeting because they got

1398
01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:01,960
Speaker 1: other stuff are doing. And this is the first they've

1399
01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:03,760
Speaker 1: even laid eyes on it, and they you know, this

1400
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:06,679
Speaker 1: kind of that, but they still want to know because,

1401
01:14:06,760 --> 01:14:09,040
Speaker 1: let's face it, they got a billion dollar franchise, a

1402
01:14:09,160 --> 01:14:11,880
Speaker 1: multi billion dollar franchise. They're steward and they're not gonna

1403
01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:13,840
Speaker 1: let this thing slide just for the sake of letting

1404
01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:16,719
Speaker 1: it slide. So they're you know, there's all this dotting

1405
01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:18,240
Speaker 1: of the eyes and crossing of the t Some of

1406
01:14:18,280 --> 01:14:21,439
Speaker 1: these guys don't go for that, you know. And it's

1407
01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:23,680
Speaker 1: the spectrum. It's from me, do what you want to

1408
01:14:25,240 --> 01:14:29,280
Speaker 1: convince me? Yeah, And you know they got to they

1409
01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:31,800
Speaker 1: got to touch the bases before this is something that

1410
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:33,160
Speaker 1: gets even gets to a vote.

1411
01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:35,960
Speaker 2: Well, and you don't want it to. You don't want

1412
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:37,960
Speaker 2: to put to a vote, not knowing you have the

1413
01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:40,240
Speaker 2: support you're gonna need, which is three quarters they need

1414
01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:41,400
Speaker 2: twenty four to thirty two.

1415
01:14:42,200 --> 01:14:44,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, teams to I don't know if there's all that

1416
01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:46,320
Speaker 1: I don't see. I don't see it that way, and

1417
01:14:46,439 --> 01:14:49,479
Speaker 1: not in this case. This isn't this isn't Washington. Well yeah,

1418
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:52,439
Speaker 1: but I guess is this isn't government. This they're saying, listen,

1419
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:54,280
Speaker 1: let's get it to a vote, all right, dad, and

1420
01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:58,240
Speaker 1: they they'll know who Let's say, Okay, let's all right,

1421
01:14:58,280 --> 01:15:00,400
Speaker 1: we'll tablet not this year. Let's talk to and see

1422
01:15:00,439 --> 01:15:02,760
Speaker 1: because here's what's gonna happen. We don't want any more

1423
01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:04,640
Speaker 1: of this. It's we got a bad thing going on

1424
01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:07,960
Speaker 1: here with this kickoff. We gotta change. Let's go chop chop.

1425
01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:10,200
Speaker 1: Either come up with your own idea or listen to

1426
01:15:10,200 --> 01:15:11,600
Speaker 1: the guys who have been studying it.

1427
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:13,840
Speaker 2: Well, not to mention the fact that they had I

1428
01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:18,040
Speaker 2: think three or four active special teams coordinators.

1429
01:15:17,439 --> 01:15:17,920
Speaker 1: In the league.

1430
01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:21,040
Speaker 2: They're the ones who buying tune the XFL kickoff for

1431
01:15:21,120 --> 01:15:24,880
Speaker 2: the NFL. So it's you have experts, literal experts who

1432
01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:28,120
Speaker 2: coach it, working on the finer points of it to

1433
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:29,679
Speaker 2: present to the league.

1434
01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:33,599
Speaker 1: If you're gonna the clubs, if you if you if

1435
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:37,640
Speaker 1: you're gonna split the atom, you need Robert Oppernheimer in

1436
01:15:37,720 --> 01:15:40,439
Speaker 1: the room. Yeah, that's what these special teams coaches are.

1437
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:42,640
Speaker 1: They know, they watch film on it, They know the

1438
01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:44,639
Speaker 1: ins and outs, they know the players, they know the rules.

1439
01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:47,479
Speaker 1: They and they have all of them tried to circumvent

1440
01:15:47,560 --> 01:15:49,120
Speaker 1: the rules in some way, shape or form to get

1441
01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:54,280
Speaker 1: an edge. They're the ones who are checking this thing.

1442
01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:55,960
Speaker 1: So just you know.

1443
01:15:56,520 --> 01:16:00,519
Speaker 2: Incidentally, the fourth and twenty proposal as an altern to

1444
01:16:00,680 --> 01:16:05,320
Speaker 2: a kickoff, presented by the Eagles again did not pass.

1445
01:16:05,439 --> 01:16:07,680
Speaker 2: It failed again to pass so bad. There are a

1446
01:16:07,720 --> 01:16:10,080
Speaker 2: lot of people that like that play as an option

1447
01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:13,920
Speaker 2: when trailing in a game in the fourth quarter.

1448
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:16,200
Speaker 1: I want that play as an option every time you

1449
01:16:16,280 --> 01:16:20,719
Speaker 1: score a touchdown, really make it, make it, take it, baby,

1450
01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:23,000
Speaker 1: let's go. You make a touchdown, let's go. Tick it

1451
01:16:23,080 --> 01:16:25,240
Speaker 1: or stick. Give it here, give me the ball back,

1452
01:16:25,479 --> 01:16:25,840
Speaker 1: let's go.

1453
01:16:26,360 --> 01:16:26,559
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1454
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:28,000
Speaker 1: I'm all about it.

1455
01:16:28,840 --> 01:16:32,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's apparently the league is not because

1456
01:16:32,200 --> 01:16:33,160
Speaker 2: it didn't pass again.

1457
01:16:33,240 --> 01:16:35,400
Speaker 1: Think about that, man, because then you can have i mean,

1458
01:16:35,439 --> 01:16:37,360
Speaker 1: you know, and a fourth and on its fourth and

1459
01:16:37,439 --> 01:16:39,760
Speaker 1: twelfth play, it's going to turn into the end of

1460
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:44,280
Speaker 1: game lateral lateral, lateral lateral, you know, except that you

1461
01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:46,479
Speaker 1: give it. I mean, the game keeps going after you

1462
01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:50,719
Speaker 1: keep doing it, right, That's oh my gosh. I'm loving

1463
01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:53,120
Speaker 1: that they gotta do that. Someday. I want to see that.

1464
01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:55,320
Speaker 2: It may it may come to pass it at a

1465
01:16:55,400 --> 01:16:58,479
Speaker 2: point in time, but not for twenty twenty four. Uh,

1466
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:01,320
Speaker 2: we have to take a break. But as we touched on,

1467
01:17:02,160 --> 01:17:07,120
Speaker 2: how much could the personnel used on kickoffs change if

1468
01:17:07,320 --> 01:17:12,600
Speaker 2: the proposed XFL kickoff is ultimately passed, Sean McDermott had

1469
01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:14,680
Speaker 2: some thoughts on that. Because he addressed the media at

1470
01:17:14,680 --> 01:17:17,080
Speaker 2: the owner's meetings this morning, we'll pass along some of

1471
01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:20,400
Speaker 2: his more noteworthy comments, including that next here on one

1472
01:17:20,439 --> 01:17:32,400
Speaker 2: Bill's Live. Stay tuned. All right back here on one

1473
01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:34,120
Speaker 2: of Bill's Live. As we told you before the break

1474
01:17:35,080 --> 01:17:37,960
Speaker 2: with the proposed new kickoff still hasn't been voted on,

1475
01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:40,960
Speaker 2: still hasn't been enacted as a change yet, but if

1476
01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:44,919
Speaker 2: it does come to pass, it could prompt some changes

1477
01:17:45,240 --> 01:17:48,880
Speaker 2: in terms of the personnel used by coaches on the

1478
01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:51,120
Speaker 2: kickoff unit. If you don't have players that have to

1479
01:17:51,200 --> 01:17:53,439
Speaker 2: run forty yards down the field anymore, maybe you have

1480
01:17:53,560 --> 01:17:56,320
Speaker 2: some bigger bodies out there if it's more reminiscent of

1481
01:17:56,400 --> 01:17:59,040
Speaker 2: a line of scrimmage type play, so.

1482
01:17:59,360 --> 01:18:01,880
Speaker 1: You may have some offensive a lot more offensive linemen

1483
01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:03,559
Speaker 1: on the field than you would have normally or been.

1484
01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:05,240
Speaker 1: Maybe to go back to the point where I remember

1485
01:18:05,280 --> 01:18:07,719
Speaker 1: they used to have this wedge which is now outlawed,

1486
01:18:08,479 --> 01:18:11,720
Speaker 1: which is still outlawed, but you know you used to

1487
01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:14,599
Speaker 1: have these big, big dudes come in short and then

1488
01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:16,840
Speaker 1: here we go. It's like a steamroll. We're coming down.

1489
01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:21,439
Speaker 1: And you might have more guys like that, yeah, on

1490
01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:24,000
Speaker 1: the field, just bigger bodies to maneuver around. If you're

1491
01:18:24,479 --> 01:18:26,680
Speaker 1: a guy like me, a fast guy coming right, he

1492
01:18:26,920 --> 01:18:29,240
Speaker 1: taking those guys on right, So you got to run

1493
01:18:29,320 --> 01:18:34,960
Speaker 1: around them. And when you start running around him, one

1494
01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:36,400
Speaker 1: guy will run around to the right and the other

1495
01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:38,160
Speaker 1: guy runs around to the left, and all of a sudden,

1496
01:18:38,479 --> 01:18:39,840
Speaker 1: you know, the best athlete on the field is the

1497
01:18:39,880 --> 01:18:41,559
Speaker 1: guy with the ball in his hand running between them.

1498
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:45,519
Speaker 1: And now it's now it is you are running sixty

1499
01:18:45,560 --> 01:18:46,800
Speaker 1: five yards. You're chasing him.

1500
01:18:47,240 --> 01:18:49,840
Speaker 2: Head coach Sean McDermott, who addressed the media this morning

1501
01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:54,559
Speaker 2: at the league meetings, addressed that very subject will different

1502
01:18:54,640 --> 01:18:58,880
Speaker 2: players be involved on possible kickoff plays. If this rule

1503
01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:02,439
Speaker 2: is enacted, there is a personnel.

1504
01:19:03,439 --> 01:19:05,800
Speaker 5: Mechanism to all of this, just like anything, right, any

1505
01:19:05,880 --> 01:19:08,080
Speaker 5: rule change, You've got to be aware of that. But

1506
01:19:08,120 --> 01:19:10,559
Speaker 5: in this case that you're going to find some different

1507
01:19:10,600 --> 01:19:14,960
Speaker 5: types of personnel now making teams or more of a

1508
01:19:15,120 --> 01:19:19,920
Speaker 5: certain type of you know, personnel, body weight, size, whatever

1509
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:22,400
Speaker 5: it is, speed making your team.

1510
01:19:22,439 --> 01:19:26,200
Speaker 2: If this goes through, Ian, it's a brand new strategy. Yeah,

1511
01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:27,240
Speaker 2: if it goes through.

1512
01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:29,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. And you know, this was also a report of

1513
01:19:29,960 --> 01:19:32,559
Speaker 1: the Rich McKay's the chairman of the NFL Competition Committee.

1514
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:35,120
Speaker 1: He's been there for a long time. He also said,

1515
01:19:35,360 --> 01:19:37,439
Speaker 1: and when you started talking about kickoff like we did

1516
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:40,040
Speaker 1: with Dean Blandino a few minutes ago, you start talking

1517
01:19:40,040 --> 01:19:43,519
Speaker 1: about the onside kick, and he says, you know, Rich McKay,

1518
01:19:43,800 --> 01:19:47,080
Speaker 1: who's the chairman of the committee, said he wants to

1519
01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:49,120
Speaker 1: see another attempt made next year to get the fourth

1520
01:19:49,160 --> 01:19:52,560
Speaker 1: and twenty alternative to the onside kick approved. Yeah, so

1521
01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:55,439
Speaker 1: he's a measure camp yet mailed it failed again this year.

1522
01:19:56,560 --> 01:19:59,479
Speaker 1: And it's failed because he said, and it's insinuated in

1523
01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:03,160
Speaker 1: this herb that it failed because the owners are still

1524
01:20:03,240 --> 01:20:06,280
Speaker 1: considering overhauling the kickoff thing, and they don't want to

1525
01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:09,599
Speaker 1: change everything all at once. Yeah, so it may one

1526
01:20:09,640 --> 01:20:12,600
Speaker 1: thing at a time, but I think I think the

1527
01:20:12,680 --> 01:20:16,120
Speaker 1: fourth and twenty is gonna happen. Yeah, and I know it,

1528
01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:19,720
Speaker 1: and I and i'm I disagree. I don't think you

1529
01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:21,439
Speaker 1: have to behind to run that. If it's a surprise

1530
01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:23,320
Speaker 1: on site, say listen, we're gonna try it. Let's come.

1531
01:20:23,360 --> 01:20:25,600
Speaker 2: Maybe that's step one of getting it in. Maybe you

1532
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:28,080
Speaker 2: only enact the rule for where the team is behind

1533
01:20:28,160 --> 01:20:31,240
Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter, and then if teams tend to

1534
01:20:31,439 --> 01:20:35,360
Speaker 2: like it and it promotes more scoring, maybe it'll be expanded.

1535
01:20:35,439 --> 01:20:38,120
Speaker 2: But this is a league that does make changes, but

1536
01:20:38,240 --> 01:20:39,479
Speaker 2: usually in baby steps.

1537
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:44,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I'm totally all about it. They are going

1538
01:20:44,120 --> 01:20:48,000
Speaker 1: to tinker with it. And to their credit, I've said

1539
01:20:48,040 --> 01:20:49,439
Speaker 1: it a lot on the show when when I was

1540
01:20:49,479 --> 01:20:51,600
Speaker 1: in the room when they did this this overhaul a

1541
01:20:51,680 --> 01:20:54,679
Speaker 1: few years ago, they were committed to keeping the kickoff

1542
01:20:54,680 --> 01:20:58,200
Speaker 1: as part of the game, and Sean McDermott, in remarks

1543
01:20:58,240 --> 01:21:00,320
Speaker 1: he made today, said the same thing. They don't. They

1544
01:21:00,360 --> 01:21:04,000
Speaker 1: want this to look you know, and adhere to the

1545
01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:06,360
Speaker 1: traditions of the game and make it look like a

1546
01:21:06,479 --> 01:21:10,320
Speaker 1: kickoff and have it rather than be some ceremonial play

1547
01:21:10,439 --> 01:21:13,519
Speaker 1: like it has been this last year. They are committed

1548
01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:16,120
Speaker 1: to keeping it in the game, which is kind of

1549
01:21:16,200 --> 01:21:21,360
Speaker 1: cool to hear about. But they have shown it their

1550
01:21:21,439 --> 01:21:24,160
Speaker 1: show and continue to show commitment to it by tinkering

1551
01:21:24,200 --> 01:21:25,840
Speaker 1: with it and tinkering with it and tinkering with it

1552
01:21:27,280 --> 01:21:28,840
Speaker 1: instead of just abolishing it right.

1553
01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:34,160
Speaker 2: Free agent additions to Buffalo's roster. Back in twenty seventeen,

1554
01:21:34,439 --> 01:21:37,040
Speaker 2: one of the first free agents signed was a backup

1555
01:21:37,120 --> 01:21:41,200
Speaker 2: safety for the Cleveland Browns. Bill's thought the player had

1556
01:21:41,280 --> 01:21:43,479
Speaker 2: starting potential, and boy did he ever. His name was

1557
01:21:43,560 --> 01:21:48,120
Speaker 2: Jordan Poyer. This offseason, the Bills signed another safety who

1558
01:21:48,240 --> 01:21:49,840
Speaker 2: was a backup with the Chiefs, but when he got

1559
01:21:49,880 --> 01:21:52,360
Speaker 2: a chance to start, starting in five games and then

1560
01:21:52,479 --> 01:21:56,120
Speaker 2: four playoff games for the Chiefs, really excelled. His name

1561
01:21:56,200 --> 01:21:58,920
Speaker 2: is Mike Edwards. He is now a Buffalo Bill. Here's

1562
01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:01,960
Speaker 2: head coach Sean McDermot thoughts on Mike Edwards, the safety.

1563
01:22:02,720 --> 01:22:07,840
Speaker 5: Mike's been on two different teams now this will be

1564
01:22:07,920 --> 01:22:12,559
Speaker 5: his third and and he's been primarily a backup at

1565
01:22:12,600 --> 01:22:15,360
Speaker 5: those teams, although he has started some games and.

1566
01:22:16,920 --> 01:22:18,240
Speaker 1: When I've seen him start.

1567
01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:20,599
Speaker 3: I've been intrigued right.

1568
01:22:20,600 --> 01:22:23,680
Speaker 5: By the way he plays, his style of play, the

1569
01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:25,120
Speaker 5: systems he's been around.

1570
01:22:25,680 --> 01:22:26,439
Speaker 1: When you look at.

1571
01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:31,800
Speaker 5: Being around a Todd Bowles system a little bit and

1572
01:22:31,880 --> 01:22:35,639
Speaker 5: then being around Spags his system, and you know, those

1573
01:22:35,680 --> 01:22:38,320
Speaker 5: are some of what I what we do, and what

1574
01:22:38,520 --> 01:22:40,439
Speaker 5: and where I've come from with the Spags in.

1575
01:22:40,439 --> 01:22:41,200
Speaker 1: Particulars, so.

1576
01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:45,479
Speaker 5: You know, the ability to blitz, the ability to play

1577
01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:47,880
Speaker 5: down low, the ability then also to play in the

1578
01:22:47,960 --> 01:22:49,360
Speaker 5: deep half, and and the.

1579
01:22:49,400 --> 01:22:50,360
Speaker 1: Polls at times.

1580
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:56,000
Speaker 5: That flexibility, if you will, is is UH is desirable,

1581
01:22:56,080 --> 01:22:58,439
Speaker 5: and I'm anxious to see how he fits into what

1582
01:22:58,520 --> 01:23:01,320
Speaker 5: we do. And Uh enjoyed our time with with Mike

1583
01:23:01,400 --> 01:23:04,320
Speaker 5: when he visited, and I think that interaction was positive

1584
01:23:04,320 --> 01:23:04,639
Speaker 5: as well.

1585
01:23:05,320 --> 01:23:09,840
Speaker 2: So Coach mcdermomy clearly sees plenty of crossover between his

1586
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:13,559
Speaker 2: defensive system and coach Spagnolo's defensive system in Kansas City.

1587
01:23:13,640 --> 01:23:16,200
Speaker 2: They obviously come from the same coaching tree Jim Johnson

1588
01:23:16,240 --> 01:23:22,160
Speaker 2: in Philadelphia. How it's a huge advantage when you can

1589
01:23:22,240 --> 01:23:25,880
Speaker 2: acquire a free agent that you've already seen execute things

1590
01:23:25,960 --> 01:23:28,200
Speaker 2: on the field that are very similar to the plays

1591
01:23:28,280 --> 01:23:32,479
Speaker 2: that you run and call. There's less guesswork involved he

1592
01:23:32,680 --> 01:23:35,240
Speaker 2: sees He clearly sees Mike Edwards as a fit in

1593
01:23:35,320 --> 01:23:36,240
Speaker 2: Buffalo system.

1594
01:23:38,040 --> 01:23:40,240
Speaker 1: That's got to be comforting for you know, people who

1595
01:23:40,320 --> 01:23:42,920
Speaker 1: are ringing their hands over Poyer and hide not being

1596
01:23:43,200 --> 01:23:44,960
Speaker 1: on the roster nothing.

1597
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:47,439
Speaker 2: That's as we targeted this guy early in free agency

1598
01:23:47,479 --> 01:23:48,000
Speaker 2: as a fit for.

1599
01:23:48,040 --> 01:23:52,240
Speaker 1: The Bills and I and I you know, plus not

1600
01:23:52,360 --> 01:23:55,160
Speaker 1: for the old time, the old the old school. I

1601
01:23:55,240 --> 01:23:57,680
Speaker 1: say old school. It was at the end of my

1602
01:23:57,840 --> 01:24:01,400
Speaker 1: career when it started. But the old school free agency

1603
01:24:01,479 --> 01:24:05,160
Speaker 1: philosophy was this, We're gonna sign players from the other

1604
01:24:05,280 --> 01:24:08,000
Speaker 1: team because they get worse and we get better. We're

1605
01:24:08,040 --> 01:24:09,840
Speaker 1: gonna target those guys. And if you're trying to chase

1606
01:24:09,880 --> 01:24:12,080
Speaker 1: the Chiefs, sign one of their guys because it'll make

1607
01:24:12,160 --> 01:24:15,560
Speaker 1: them worse and you better. That's kind of the philosophy.

1608
01:24:15,640 --> 01:24:20,400
Speaker 1: And I'm I'm all about it. Mike Edwards is gonna

1609
01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:21,559
Speaker 1: help a lot.

1610
01:24:21,840 --> 01:24:22,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1611
01:24:22,640 --> 01:24:24,519
Speaker 1: And the fact that you hear the head coach go

1612
01:24:24,600 --> 01:24:27,280
Speaker 1: and listen is kind of echoing what has worked so

1613
01:24:27,439 --> 01:24:30,120
Speaker 1: well for this team in the past free agent markets.

1614
01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:33,840
Speaker 1: It's nice to hear him have confidence that this is

1615
01:24:33,880 --> 01:24:34,599
Speaker 1: going to be even better.

1616
01:24:35,080 --> 01:24:39,879
Speaker 2: Right, and then coach McDermott obviously, being on the Competition Committee,

1617
01:24:40,600 --> 01:24:42,760
Speaker 2: has had a lot of input and has listened to

1618
01:24:42,840 --> 01:24:46,679
Speaker 2: a lot of discussion about the proposed new kickoff rule,

1619
01:24:47,160 --> 01:24:49,760
Speaker 2: and he kind of lays out the aim of the

1620
01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:54,360
Speaker 2: rule and basically said, you know, we need it to

1621
01:24:54,400 --> 01:24:57,800
Speaker 2: be safer. Too many concussions are still happening on the

1622
01:24:58,000 --> 01:25:01,320
Speaker 2: old kickoff play when there are return and then number two,

1623
01:25:01,800 --> 01:25:04,160
Speaker 2: there aren't enough returns right now and those that's the

1624
01:25:04,240 --> 01:25:07,080
Speaker 2: impetus behind the new rule. We do want to jump

1625
01:25:07,120 --> 01:25:09,479
Speaker 2: ahead to some interesting comments that he had to say

1626
01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:12,840
Speaker 2: about aj Epinessa. Obviously, aj re signs with the Bills

1627
01:25:13,360 --> 01:25:16,360
Speaker 2: two year contract, so he's back on the roster and

1628
01:25:16,479 --> 01:25:19,360
Speaker 2: really he's been largely a rotational player since he got

1629
01:25:19,439 --> 01:25:21,840
Speaker 2: here because of the veteran players in front of him.

1630
01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:25,800
Speaker 2: There are fewer of those players now. It's basically Greg

1631
01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:29,479
Speaker 2: Russo von Miller, aj Epenessa, and the recently signed Casey

1632
01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:34,880
Speaker 2: two Hill from Washington. So McDermott says that aj is

1633
01:25:34,960 --> 01:25:37,240
Speaker 2: going to have a chance to have a larger role

1634
01:25:37,320 --> 01:25:39,759
Speaker 2: here on his second contract with the Bills.

1635
01:25:40,720 --> 01:25:43,280
Speaker 5: We've seen some growth from him, we need we need

1636
01:25:43,360 --> 01:25:45,880
Speaker 5: to see even more consistent now. It's got because what

1637
01:25:46,080 --> 01:25:49,080
Speaker 5: the role he could be in this year is one

1638
01:25:49,080 --> 01:25:51,840
Speaker 5: of those starter roles, and so that that consistency's going

1639
01:25:51,880 --> 01:25:54,280
Speaker 5: to be important for us. He's AJ has always gotten

1640
01:25:54,479 --> 01:25:56,559
Speaker 5: off to a good start, and now it's about saying, hey,

1641
01:25:57,000 --> 01:25:58,960
Speaker 5: how does how do we how does he maintain that

1642
01:25:59,040 --> 01:26:01,439
Speaker 5: through the course of a season? An a staying healthy

1643
01:26:01,560 --> 01:26:05,040
Speaker 5: than be producing at that level. We've seen the flashes

1644
01:26:05,080 --> 01:26:08,760
Speaker 5: and that's what gets you excited now bringing him back,

1645
01:26:08,800 --> 01:26:10,439
Speaker 5: it's a chance for him to continue to grow.

1646
01:26:11,800 --> 01:26:14,800
Speaker 2: I know that some still believe that Vaughn and Greg

1647
01:26:14,920 --> 01:26:17,320
Speaker 2: Russeau are going to start. You might be in that camp, Steve,

1648
01:26:17,680 --> 01:26:20,599
Speaker 2: but I think we have to remember this too. If

1649
01:26:20,640 --> 01:26:23,560
Speaker 2: you want the best out of von Miller, is he

1650
01:26:23,640 --> 01:26:25,560
Speaker 2: playing more than twenty five snaps a game in his

1651
01:26:25,640 --> 01:26:26,639
Speaker 2: age thirty four season.

1652
01:26:27,040 --> 01:26:30,080
Speaker 1: Maybe not. You're You're right. It's going to be a

1653
01:26:30,200 --> 01:26:33,120
Speaker 1: rotational system. They're not going to change their philosophy, and

1654
01:26:33,160 --> 01:26:35,679
Speaker 1: they may tweak it and they may give the line's

1655
01:26:35,720 --> 01:26:39,479
Speaker 1: share to certain a certain combination of guys, but there's

1656
01:26:39,520 --> 01:26:41,920
Speaker 1: going to be like eight, like we say, eight guys playing,

1657
01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:46,960
Speaker 1: and AJ is going to be a guy that gets

1658
01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:50,559
Speaker 1: a lot of snaps. Now, how many pass rush snaps

1659
01:26:50,600 --> 01:26:54,160
Speaker 1: he gets may be up for question, but he's going

1660
01:26:54,240 --> 01:26:59,280
Speaker 1: to be on the field, and he may be interchange,

1661
01:26:59,320 --> 01:27:01,439
Speaker 1: interchanged with Vaughn if they want Vaughn to get the

1662
01:27:01,479 --> 01:27:04,240
Speaker 1: pass rush reps and have AJ get.

1663
01:27:04,160 --> 01:27:07,040
Speaker 2: The run threads or so kicking down inside each.

1664
01:27:07,040 --> 01:27:09,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, and even if Rossoke kicks down inside with Ed

1665
01:27:09,680 --> 01:27:11,800
Speaker 1: and you got two penetrator, you got like one guy

1666
01:27:11,880 --> 01:27:15,400
Speaker 1: that's built like a condor and the other guy that's built.

1667
01:27:15,680 --> 01:27:16,880
Speaker 2: You know, like a fire hydrant.

1668
01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:21,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, like a bowling ball fire hydrant kind of guy. Uh, Yeah,

1669
01:27:21,920 --> 01:27:24,400
Speaker 1: that's pretty good. Sounds like a pretty good combination, and

1670
01:27:24,479 --> 01:27:28,320
Speaker 1: they'll be a handful. But that's what it's. That's what

1671
01:27:28,439 --> 01:27:29,320
Speaker 1: you're looking at if you're a.

1672
01:27:29,439 --> 01:27:33,519
Speaker 2: J And obviously we forgot Kingsley Jonathan is also in

1673
01:27:33,680 --> 01:27:34,920
Speaker 2: that mix as well.

1674
01:27:34,920 --> 01:27:38,040
Speaker 1: So we will never fail to insert Kingsley Jonathan into

1675
01:27:38,080 --> 01:27:40,280
Speaker 1: the conversation. Brownie and I are very high on him,

1676
01:27:40,640 --> 01:27:43,400
Speaker 1: So hopefully that comes to pass for our own probably

1677
01:27:43,760 --> 01:27:45,320
Speaker 1: celtronic reason whatever.

1678
01:27:45,479 --> 01:27:47,680
Speaker 2: But yeah, we have to break here. But when we

1679
01:27:47,800 --> 01:27:50,439
Speaker 2: come back. One final comment from coach McDermott on that

1680
01:27:50,720 --> 01:27:53,040
Speaker 2: move to center by Connor McGovern. What did he have

1681
01:27:53,120 --> 01:27:54,639
Speaker 2: to say about that we'll tell you when we return

1682
01:27:54,720 --> 01:28:11,280
Speaker 2: here on One Bill's Live. Stay tuned, all right. One

1683
01:28:11,360 --> 01:28:14,360
Speaker 2: final comment from coach McDermott on One Bills Live here

1684
01:28:14,520 --> 01:28:16,880
Speaker 2: as he spoke to the media at the owners meetings,

1685
01:28:17,400 --> 01:28:21,920
Speaker 2: and he commented on Connor McGovern's planned move to center

1686
01:28:22,040 --> 01:28:25,719
Speaker 2: with Mitch Morris a salary cap casualty and David Edwards

1687
01:28:25,800 --> 01:28:27,400
Speaker 2: resigned to play left guard.

1688
01:28:28,560 --> 01:28:31,120
Speaker 5: Well, he's played it, He's got it in his background,

1689
01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:37,600
Speaker 5: not a ton but he's done it before and you know,

1690
01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:40,559
Speaker 5: so we'll see where it goes. You know, Connor's been

1691
01:28:40,640 --> 01:28:44,720
Speaker 5: a great addition to our team. Bringing David Edwards back

1692
01:28:46,280 --> 01:28:50,479
Speaker 5: was important because of number one, what he brought to

1693
01:28:50,560 --> 01:28:53,760
Speaker 5: our team a year ago. Plus potentially with the Mitch

1694
01:28:53,840 --> 01:28:56,000
Speaker 5: and Connor situation, we lose Mitch, we got to move

1695
01:28:56,080 --> 01:28:56,599
Speaker 5: Connor over.

1696
01:28:57,080 --> 01:29:01,000
Speaker 1: David steps into that role. And you know, David was

1697
01:29:01,000 --> 01:29:01,760
Speaker 1: a great addition to.

1698
01:29:01,800 --> 01:29:04,000
Speaker 5: Our team, not just on the field but off the

1699
01:29:04,080 --> 01:29:07,360
Speaker 5: field and his role last year very unselfish in that

1700
01:29:07,920 --> 01:29:11,160
Speaker 5: in that in his approach and you saw him he

1701
01:29:11,280 --> 01:29:13,160
Speaker 5: was the jumbo side end one player.

1702
01:29:13,200 --> 01:29:15,240
Speaker 3: Then he was coming into the game as a guard.

1703
01:29:16,280 --> 01:29:18,759
Speaker 5: And uh, just a just a great addition in terms

1704
01:29:18,800 --> 01:29:23,799
Speaker 5: of the overall package, player, person, family.

1705
01:29:25,120 --> 01:29:26,200
Speaker 1: It was great to get him.

1706
01:29:26,120 --> 01:29:29,080
Speaker 2: Back, all right. So it sounds like David Edwards the

1707
01:29:29,120 --> 01:29:30,879
Speaker 2: left guard, Connory government center.

1708
01:29:31,439 --> 01:29:36,559
Speaker 1: And McDermott does not sound concerned that mcconnor McGovern cannot

1709
01:29:36,600 --> 01:29:37,559
Speaker 1: snap the ball and.

1710
01:29:37,600 --> 01:29:40,160
Speaker 2: They've they've done stuff in practice like this isn't a

1711
01:29:40,200 --> 01:29:42,400
Speaker 2: decision made on a whim, Just so you know. Over

1712
01:29:42,439 --> 01:29:45,760
Speaker 2: the weekend they also signed Will Clap, a free agent

1713
01:29:45,960 --> 01:29:48,920
Speaker 2: center from the LA Chargers as well, so there are

1714
01:29:49,040 --> 01:29:51,160
Speaker 2: options that there will be in training camp. We'll see

1715
01:29:51,160 --> 01:29:51,800
Speaker 2: you tomorrow one

1716
01:30:01,040 --> 01:30:01,080
Speaker 6: He