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Speaker 1: Wind Down with Jane Kramer, an iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so a couple of headlines that I will we

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Speaker 2: want to chat about. Joe Judice reveals ridiculous salary ex

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Speaker 2: wife Teresa made during Real Housewives of New Jersey Season one?

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Speaker 2: So did you guys ever have a conversation with us

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Speaker 2: about being on tv? So Gia, she's got our podcast

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Speaker 2: that she was talking about called Casual Chaos, and he goes,

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Speaker 2: I don't really remember. I don't think so he said,

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Speaker 2: it was all kind of a blur. I think the

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Speaker 2: first year we had that big party in the great room.

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Speaker 2: I think that show cost me one hundred and fifty

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Speaker 2: thousand dollars the first year. So Joe was referring to

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Speaker 2: a season four cast trip where he called his wife

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Speaker 2: a bitch wife and they see you next Tuesday while

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Speaker 2: while taking a phone call. We were stuck there for

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Speaker 2: like a week. I think in this house just drinking

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Speaker 2: wine every day, he said during that podcast. Sometimes it

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Speaker 2: just gets so chaotic with everybody around, because all they

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Speaker 2: want you to do is just start drama and do

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Speaker 2: this and do that. They want you to just hang

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Speaker 2: out and have a normal time.

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Speaker 1: They don't want you to just hang out and have

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Speaker 1: a normal time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and so we've actually had conversations about this, about

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Speaker 2: being on a reality show. You were asked to be

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Speaker 2: on a weren't you asked to be on like a

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Speaker 2: Real Housewives show back in the day?

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Speaker 1: No, I think they approached back in the day ever

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Speaker 1: doing it. Yeah, when I was living, I played an lounge.

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Speaker 2: Count Yeah, and you guys never did. No, No, But

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Speaker 2: there is there is a production company that has reached out.

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Speaker 2: I've done a couple of calls with them. They they

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Speaker 2: have pitched it as a docu series versus a reality series,

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Speaker 2: and we've discussed it a bit, and you know, we've

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Speaker 2: kind of talked about pros and cons of it, and

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Speaker 2: I personally am leaning more on the con side of

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Speaker 2: doing a docu series. I think again, when you look

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Speaker 2: at certain shows, like what's the difference between reality or

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Speaker 2: a docu? And I think a docu like The Quarterback

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Speaker 2: or shows like that where you're more it seems a

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Speaker 2: little less salacious and more the heart of who these

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Speaker 2: people are, as opposed to a reality show where it's

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Speaker 2: slipping tables and pat fighting, which I could never do

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Speaker 2: that type of reality show. I think that's not my personality.

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Speaker 2: Just I couldn't do it. I couldn't handle a Bravo

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Speaker 2: fans or the comments on that grand scale of things.

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Speaker 1: Well, whoever, who can you recollect that walks away from

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think Bethany Frankel is a great example

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Speaker 2: of walking away from a reality show. And I mean,

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Speaker 2: she's got successful brands, she's she's one of those people

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Speaker 2: obviously people and she doesn't care about people's comments. That's

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Speaker 2: what's so great. Like, and I've I've reached out to

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Speaker 2: Bethany in the past because I'm like, how do you

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Speaker 2: have an opinion, say what you want to say.

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Speaker 1: Well, she may be an exception from the river.

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Speaker 2: And I think people like that. I'm like, man, that's great.

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Speaker 2: And I think there's a lot of people that can

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Speaker 2: come off of shows and have brands explode. And but

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Speaker 2: most times, I mean, shoot, if you look at Whitney

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Speaker 2: the first season of was The Mormon Wives, everyone didn't

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Speaker 2: think season two she came back around, But I think

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Speaker 2: it's people forget that it is a TV show too

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Speaker 2: in that and they want it to be they want

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Speaker 2: that drama. And that's why I could never do reality.

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't see you though a bit, but

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Speaker 1: I think the I think the anxiety levels of doing

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Speaker 1: something like that would would be off.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it would be awful for me. But the docuseries,

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Speaker 2: I've entertained the conversations I think. I I mean, I

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Speaker 2: like the production company. I still fear though, at the

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Speaker 2: end of the day, it's a TV show and then

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Speaker 2: an edit is an edit, and I would hate for

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Speaker 2: it to be sharing your heart and sharing the family

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Speaker 2: literally can't afford any anything negative and then have it

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Speaker 2: ruin other things. That's where I'm like, would I be

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Speaker 2: Like all these questions, I'm wondering, but I'm I'm still

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Speaker 2: keeping the I'm still keeping it open because it's like

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Speaker 2: it could be an opportunity, it could be more eyes

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Speaker 1: It could be I think there's Okay, I think those

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Speaker 1: I think those people watch reality TV for drama.

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Speaker 2: Okay, my thoughts, Well, take that. I'm talking more docu series.

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Speaker 1: I'm getting to that. So people watch reality t TV

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Speaker 1: for drama essentially, they don't watch it necessarily for who's

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Speaker 1: and how in the workings and life work. A docu

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Speaker 1: sies like The Quarterback people people watch it because they're

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Speaker 2: Full swing or is that what it's called on Netflix,

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Speaker 2: the Golf show, like I fell in love with golf.

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Speaker 2: I want to love these people now.

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Speaker 1: It's genuinely interested in what it's about a quarterback you

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Speaker 1: want to learn about. Okay, I love football, I love

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Speaker 1: everything about a quarterback, how he has to train and

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Speaker 1: think play in Levy's life, So they have or people

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Speaker 1: going with a different outlook because they're not looking for drama.

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Speaker 1: They're looking for insight and they want to see how

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Speaker 1: the life works, not to go and slate them or

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Speaker 1: But I think reality TV has got a different perception.

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Speaker 1: And even if you call it reality TV, you're you're

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Speaker 1: putting a different box. A docuseries is something that documents

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Speaker 1: how not from a dramatic way, but how your life works.

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Speaker 1: So would you go on insight into how you how

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Speaker 1: you're motivated, how you live your life?

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Speaker 2: And so would you think it would be good for

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Speaker 2: our family to do a docuseries? Like would you do it?

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Speaker 1: If?

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Speaker 2: Because obviously they're very interested, They've asked if I want

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Speaker 2: the holding phase. I need to sit on it. We

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Speaker 2: need to chat about it. But is it something where

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Speaker 2: you think it would be good to do given it's

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Speaker 2: a docu as opposed to reality. Okay, so I think

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Speaker 2: That's the thing. That's the part that scares me because

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Speaker 2: it's messy. Reality is messy.

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Speaker 1: But how is it shaped and how's the tone of

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Speaker 1: and if it tips towards beneficial rather than detrimental for

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Speaker 2: Too defensive of you if I'm being honest.

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Speaker 1: Because why would you need to be defensive of me?

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Speaker 2: Because just like I was just talking about something on

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Speaker 2: like Alan, you're so harsh. I think your Scottish resting

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Speaker 1: Harsher resting face.

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Speaker 2: Like you come across harsher And there's times with us

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Speaker 2: where it's like, don't, don't say it, and you're like,

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Speaker 2: that's not it's just my That's how I would have

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Speaker 2: said it, and that's how you would have said it,

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Speaker 2: And you don't mean it from an angry place, but

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Speaker 2: I think it's you have a different you have a

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Speaker 2: not good for us. I don't want people to being.

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Speaker 1: Not towards you.

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Speaker 2: People could maybe perceive that as harsh, because I sometimes do.

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Speaker 2: And then I wouldn't want us to hear the outside

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but also it's a chance for people to get

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Speaker 1: to know me and my personality.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.

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Speaker 1: So I think again, if it swings towards it's beneficial

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Speaker 2: And I think it's can be quite the kiss of

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Speaker 2: Well, no, I'm saying the two reality shows. Max and

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Speaker 2: I went out for that. We were doing the series

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Speaker 2: Like I was saved and like here I am again.

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Speaker 1: Imagine dealing with that in front of the cameras.

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Speaker 2: Could not imagine that's something that was like, I mean,

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Speaker 2: But anyways, So, I mean, I don't know DOCU, but

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Speaker 1: Stay tuned, sta duned.

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Speaker 2: So. A man refuses to lend five k to spoiled

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Speaker 2: sister who always got parents' help. A man seeks support

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Speaker 2: over lending money to his younger sister. In his post,

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Speaker 2: The differences, he recalls, were stark. When she totaled her

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Speaker 2: When I asked for help covering my college books, they

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Speaker 2: told me to get another job. From that point on,

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Speaker 2: sharing rent with roommates and skipping trips, while his sister

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Speaker 2: According to the Post, she said she was in debt

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Speaker 2: I said yes, I would, it would just be more

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Speaker 2: of the same and said he offered other forms of help.

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Speaker 2: I offered to help her find a budgeting app to look.

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Speaker 2: I told her to look into debt consolidation or talk

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Speaker 2: to a financial advisor. I love this man team, this man.

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Speaker 1: Always setting it up for prevention in the future rather

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Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on lending family money.

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Speaker 1: I think is it the FoST thing that've asked you

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Speaker 1: is an important thing, because if it's something that's habitual

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Speaker 1: and comes up a lot, then maybe it's a different

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Speaker 1: is it an emergency or is it a luxury? Give

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Speaker 1: If you've got a family member who never asked you

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Speaker 1: and then I think that's different from some potential spoil

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Speaker 1: the age of twenty seven is still asking for money.

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Speaker 2: A woman on TikTok calls these strange dating behaviors princess treatment.

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Speaker 1: By contrast, honestly, I understand what the youth of today beis.

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Speaker 2: She's being silly. I'm in a herpe that she's being silly.

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Speaker 1: She's not Offlook talk okay, because there's a Lincoln what

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Speaker 2: Well, listen, it's I think she's sorry. I didn't Minerra,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not sure how true that would be,

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Speaker 1: Can you make Can you imagine me shouting? You shouting

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Speaker 2: What do I do that makes you feel masters skilling?

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Speaker 1: It demasculates me.

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Speaker 2: Me, I would bring up something. Maybe. I think sometimes

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Speaker 2: No, it just me okay, okay.

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Speaker 1: Not some things.

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Speaker 2: Once once one time you threw them away. I was like,

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Why don't them tonight?

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Speaker 1: So child? But sure? Why what do I what things

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Speaker 2: No, I mean you again, the notes, the flowers, the

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Speaker 1: It's so silly, I tell you, beautiful.

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Speaker 2: I think, yeah, I mean those things are nice. I

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Speaker 1: So the one percent of the time where I don't

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Speaker 2: Hey, That's what kills a lot of marriages, is the

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Speaker 1: So you get plenty of princess treatment. The spa yep.

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