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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazarre and Alex Barth and Lazarre, Hello.

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Speaker 2: Everybody nailed it, Joined as always by our.

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Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Barrs. How many times

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Speaker 1: did you give your take? Well, he's not Tom Brady,

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Speaker 1: which again, congratulations on snuffing that one out. It's it's

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Speaker 1: such a brave take it. That's your favorite, that Mac

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Speaker 1: Johnes is not Tom Brady.

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Speaker 2: That is your favorite take. You love when I give

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Speaker 2: that take to You really nailed it that one.

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Speaker 1: I don't know you. You saw that from a mile

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Speaker 1: away and you jumped and you said, I'm gonna be

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Speaker 1: the one that declares this and and you and you

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Speaker 1: alone figured that one out.

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Speaker 2: This week it's said Bailey Zappi is not Patrick Mahomes.

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Speaker 1: Again, just the brilliant football mind of Evan Lazarre, Ladies

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Speaker 1: and gentlemen.

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Speaker 2: That that is. People say that, People say that Bailey

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Speaker 2: Zappi is not Patrick Mahomes. Evan Lazar, Alex Barth, Patriots

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Speaker 2: Catched twenty two with you until about noon Eastern time.

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Speaker 2: We have a pu after That's a full day, four

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Speaker 2: hours straight of radio from Marine and I although, you know,

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Speaker 2: I go to practice, so it's like, you know, little

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Speaker 2: breaks here and there. But I digress. So we're gonna

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Speaker 2: get into the actual, the actual football team planning here today.

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Speaker 2: That's our thing, right, our thing. I always think about this, like,

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Speaker 2: our thing is not to get into the drama, to

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Speaker 2: get into the politics of it all. But with that

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Speaker 2: being said, the biggest story with the Patriots right now

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Speaker 2: is Tommy Kurrn's report that Bill Belichick's future has been

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Speaker 2: decided essentially by ownership and by Robert Kraft, and that

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Speaker 2: Bill Belichick will not be back with the Patriots next season.

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Speaker 2: And he said that this was pretty much set in

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Speaker 2: stone after the Patriots lost to the Colts in Germany,

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Speaker 2: which I think all of us that covered the team

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Speaker 2: Alex could feel that that was a tipping point. That

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Speaker 2: this was a marquee game, a game internet national game,

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Speaker 2: new audience, a game that the organization had lined up

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Speaker 2: for years in the making of planning and money invested

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Speaker 2: into the into all of it. And they they played

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Speaker 2: terribly on offense, especially, but they they did not play

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Speaker 2: a good game in Germany. It was not an entertaining game.

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Speaker 2: It was not a good game. So even though that

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Speaker 2: was not it's not one game that gets a coach fired,

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Speaker 2: that was sort of a microcosm of the Patriots in

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Speaker 2: this last let's call it two seasons here. So I

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Speaker 2: do want to start with with that, and I do

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Speaker 2: want to talk about Malie Cunningham that we can get

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Speaker 2: more into the minutia. You can call in eight five

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Speaker 2: to five, PATS five hundred, web radio at Patriots dot

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Speaker 2: com is the email address. We can do draft, we

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Speaker 2: can do chiefs, we can do whatever you want from here.

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Speaker 2: But I do want to have it, you know, both

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Speaker 2: of us give our takes on on the Belichick situation

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Speaker 2: because we kind of have to. We honestly kind of

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Speaker 2: have to. And I think the big thing that I

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Speaker 2: would say is that I, like all of you, are

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Speaker 2: waiting until January ninth, or whenever they issue this press

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Speaker 2: release or make this statement or whatever the case may be,

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Speaker 2: for a definitive decision on Bill. I have no idea

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Speaker 2: if Bill is going to be back next year or not.

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Speaker 1: Should hang lanterns in the lighthouse, Yeah, if he's back.

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Speaker 2: To if he's gone, I don't know, or like the

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Speaker 1: Trying to make it like a New England read like

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Speaker 1: there was a Paul Revere reference.

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Speaker 2: Even see, you know history.

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Speaker 1: That's like a very basic you learn that like the

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Speaker 1: second grade.

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Speaker 2: I'm just messing with you.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know anymore.

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Speaker 2: Man, wait until I start dropping the Taylor Swift war.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you won't have fun with anything, but this week

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Speaker 1: you're having a grand old time. It's ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: It's true, it's true. So anyways, I think the biggest thing,

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Speaker 2: and this is just my opinion, but I think just

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Speaker 2: knowing the crafts, knowing this organization, knowing how they operate,

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Speaker 2: I think that people and I keep on saying, I

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Speaker 2: Belichick tree or the or anything that's happened here for

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Speaker 1: So you're saying you have not been offered the job.

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Speaker 2: I have not been offered the job, but I am

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Speaker 2: saying that I would be absolutely stunned if the next

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Speaker 2: which you know that Bill's not staying, Well.

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Speaker 1: Bill wouldn't be the net continued, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But Bill's not staying, which I'm again I'm I'm not

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Speaker 2: believe I want to see it. Yeah, the next head

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Speaker 2: shocked if that coach has zero connection to what's currently

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Speaker 2: it's a quote unquote outside higher but it's Mike Rabel

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Speaker 2: right then, Okay, I think Girod Mayo has to have

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Speaker 2: to be the next head coach of the Patriots. But

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Speaker 2: whoever it is, Patriots fans, you are going to know

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Speaker 2: that person from some wake of the din.

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Speaker 1: It's not going to be something that sends your run

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Speaker 2: No, and it's not going to be somebody. I don't

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Speaker 2: think it's not going to be a Ben Johnson. It's

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Speaker 2: not going to be a Bobby Slowik my guy in Houston.

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Speaker 2: It's not going to be a totally outside the box

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Speaker 2: quite who he is now obviously when they hired him

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Speaker 2: in the nineties. But two out of their three coaches

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Speaker 1: And for the younger listeners and viewers, Bill did have

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and also I would say with Belichick a guy

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Speaker 1: I think with parcel Yeah, Parcels was Parcels here before?

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Speaker 2: Parcells had Belichick on his staff in New England for

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Speaker 2: So I think that this next hire, assuming there is

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Speaker 2: But there at the end of the day, the Crafts

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Speaker 2: When things aren't going well for a business but it's

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Speaker 2: you just you pivot to something else, You pivot to

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Speaker 2: something more modern, you pivot to a different sort of thing.

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Speaker 2: But if Apple starts to do poorly in their yearly

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Speaker 2: right like, It's still gonna be Apple. And I think

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Speaker 2: So with all that being said, I think that the

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Speaker 2: that the talent on the roster is simply the biggest

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Speaker 1: Well, how about to that whole thing about like familiar faces,

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Speaker 1: right if Drod Mayo becomes the head coach, is Bill

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Speaker 2: Like we need an updated, modern offense, we need speed,

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Speaker 2: unless O'Brien has a great college job or something like

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Speaker 2: on those opportunities. At this point, I would say that

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Speaker 2: these different things, just to have them sit there and

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Speaker 2: say you're one and done right, You're out after one season.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, i'd agree with that, just on the whole

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Speaker 1: thing with the Bill stuff. And I'll start off by

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Speaker 1: saying this. I know I've seen people who say that,

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Speaker 1: you know, this show the whole point of the show,

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Speaker 1: We're not about the drama, We're not about the you know,

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Speaker 1: gossip talk or whatever. And I want to get back

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Speaker 1: to the real football talk.

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Speaker 2: I do.

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Speaker 1: This is just the major story right now. Now, this is

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Speaker 1: what we have to talk about. You can't talk about

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Speaker 1: this team and not talk about what's going on with

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Speaker 1: the head coach.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Again, I'll not to say I don't think Bill is

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's gonna it would take somebody, and

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Speaker 1: There's only one person I can think of, Yah ver Well,

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Speaker 1: Is there anybody else from that team that's working. I

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Speaker 1: Pretty much all all the ex Patriots are in media.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't like the idea of Bill

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Speaker 2: we're gonna give roster power to Macro, and I'm just

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Speaker 1: Well, that's why I'm saying there's only two there's only

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Speaker 1: Part of me is like, does he give because I

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't say it's not the it's not the actual

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Speaker 2: But I wouldn't necessarily say those things are what's the

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Speaker 2: And I still think that his view on all of

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Speaker 2: The only difference was is that they were turning the

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Speaker 2: thirteen to ten. You can't do that in the modern

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Speaker 2: going to change, we always go back to that Sabin.

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Speaker 2: You know, twenty sixteen coaching clinic thing. Sabin made a

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Speaker 2: same thing in pro football. And until he starts prioritizing

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Speaker 2: Like I think he really thinks that they're losing games

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Speaker 1: But that's why again, if he's just a head coach.

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Speaker 1: We aspire Bill as being just like ultimately stubborn guy

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Speaker 2: I think the reason why we can't see that happening

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Speaker 2: a boring offense. They have not been an entertaining product

433
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Speaker 2: to watch. And I love defensive football. You don't you

434
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Speaker 2: love defensive football?

435
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Speaker 3: I do.

436
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Speaker 2: We can get behind defensive football as people that cover

437
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:46,280
Speaker 2: this team. But the majority of fans want to see offense.

438
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Speaker 2: They want to see quarterbacks, they want to see offense. No, don't, don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's entirely I think that's the very

440
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Speaker 1: casual fantasy football fans. I think there's a But here's

441
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Speaker 1: the thing. Here's what we've learned about Patriots fans this year.

442
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Speaker 1: A lot of them kind of bandwagon if the team

443
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Speaker 1: was winning. I don't think they'd really care the team.

444
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 2: I think that's totally not true the team last year.

445
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Speaker 1: You think if they were the record, Alex, do you

446
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 1: think if they were ten and three?

447
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:13,920
Speaker 2: Okay, but they were not gonna be ten and three

448
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:14,720
Speaker 2: playing this way?

449
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:16,959
Speaker 1: They've lost how many one score games?

450
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Speaker 2: They're not gonna they weren't gonna be ten and three

451
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 2: with the roster construction that they have. That's the whole point.

452
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,560
Speaker 2: Last year they won eight games. They won some games

453
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 2: last year like eight and nine is not a terrible record, right,

454
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Speaker 2: But offensively they were boring. They were horrible to watch

455
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Speaker 2: at times. They had those games against the Colts and

456
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Speaker 2: the Jets last year where Marcus Jones's punt return is

457
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Speaker 2: the reason why they beat the Jets in a three

458
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:43,160
Speaker 2: to three disgusting football game. And those types of games

459
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Speaker 2: are not entertaining. They don't they don't get eyeballs on

460
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Speaker 2: the team, they don't put butts in seats, they don't

461
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,440
Speaker 2: sell jerseys like That's just the bottom line. And as

462
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Speaker 2: an ownership group like that, part of that it has

463
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Speaker 2: to matter. I think ultimately winning is all it matters

464
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Speaker 2: the most, Yes, But entertainment value, interest in the team,

465
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Speaker 2: buzz around the team, those types of things have to matter. Now.

466
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Speaker 2: The last thing that I would say is that, more

467
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Speaker 2: so than the pitch that you're saying, that is possible

468
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Speaker 2: that Bill goes in there and says, I realized that

469
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:15,640
Speaker 2: the offensive game has passed me by.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's gonna say it that explicitly, I

471
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Speaker 1: mean more, okay, bringing somebody else to have a real

472
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Speaker 1: say in the personnel, and I'll just focus on building

473
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Speaker 1: up the defense and coaching the team. Sure he's not

474
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Speaker 1: he's let me get that. I'm not saying he's gonna

475
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Speaker 1: go in there and say, all right, we need to

476
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Speaker 1: be we need we need our Mike McDaniel. We need

477
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Speaker 1: to start running this new ag offense. Go get me

478
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Speaker 1: speed start Like even I'm not going that far with

479
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Speaker 1: this hypothetical.

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, all right, well then I don't know

481
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Speaker 2: what we're talking about. But the bigger thing I think

482
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Speaker 2: to all that, yeah, is he's if I was Bill

483
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Speaker 2: and I'm saying this, like I there's a reasonable take here.

484
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Speaker 2: If I was Bill, I would go into Robert's office

485
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Speaker 2: and I would say, just get I just need to

486
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Speaker 2: get the quarterback. Like the quarter backs this year the

487
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,199
Speaker 2: reason why we're three and ten, right, And if I

488
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 2: had a good quarterback, would we be a Super Bowl contender? Again,

489
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Speaker 2: not necessarily, but we would be back in the playoffs.

490
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Speaker 2: We'd be building towards something. The arrow would be pointing upward,

491
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Speaker 2: and we were just like you just said, look at

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Speaker 2: all the one score games we were in. Look at

493
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Speaker 2: all the games we were in in the fourth quarter.

494
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 2: Look at all the games that we lost, because you know,

495
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,639
Speaker 2: Mac Jones throws an interception in the red zone against

496
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Speaker 2: the Colts, and we can't score on the game winning

497
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 2: drive against Washington, and we know all these different games.

498
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Speaker 2: If I had the quarterback, we would start winning all see.

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Speaker 1: But what I would then say, as Craft is there's

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Speaker 1: been an inability to identify quarterback talent for a long time.

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Speaker 2: Totally agree.

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Speaker 1: And that's why I say, all right, so are you

503
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Speaker 1: gonna let somebody else find out?

504
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Speaker 2: I totally agree. But I and that my fear.

505
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Speaker 1: Bill can't be the guy, forget picking developing the next quarterback.

506
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Speaker 1: He can't be the guy doing that.

507
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Speaker 2: My fears somebody that is squarely in the camp of

508
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 2: the game has passed him by. And your point just

509
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 2: now about developing players. I don't want him developing the

510
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 2: next guy. My fear is is that he's gonna pitch

511
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,399
Speaker 2: to Robert if he wants to stay. If he wants

512
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,119
Speaker 2: to stay, that's another big We have the number two

513
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,239
Speaker 2: pick in the draft. There's a couple good quarterbacks up

514
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Speaker 2: at the top.

515
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Speaker 1: He watched Drake mayfilm. You're all excited.

516
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,440
Speaker 2: We're gonna do our homework. We're gonna find the guy,

517
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 2: and then next year we're gonna have a young quarterback

518
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Speaker 2: that's eventually gonna be a top ten, top five quarterback

519
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,439
Speaker 2: in the league because we picked so high in the draft,

520
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 2: and don't worry about it, like we're gonna be right

521
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Speaker 2: back there and we have money to spend in the offseason.

522
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Speaker 2: All it will be twenty twenty one all over again, right.

523
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Speaker 1: And then I would say, okay, and what prevents another

524
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty two?

525
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Speaker 2: The quarterback will be better. But I'm just telling you

526
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Speaker 2: what he's.

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Speaker 1: Gonna say, And I would say that has nothing to

528
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Speaker 1: do with what transpired in twenty twenty two. He could

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Speaker 1: have hired that coaching staff for any quarterback. We're gonna

530
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Speaker 1: end up talking in circles about it. But I'm just

531
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Speaker 1: telling you what if I Well, you're following through on

532
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Speaker 1: my take.

533
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Speaker 2: I appreciate if I was Bill and I wanted to

534
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Speaker 2: stay yeah, and what would be my pitch would I?

535
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Speaker 2: And I think this is what he might do, So

536
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Speaker 2: this is why I'm bringing it up. I would just

537
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 2: throw the quarterbacks under the bus and say we're a

538
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 2: quarterback away.

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Speaker 1: And I am saying, as Robert Kraft, I would sit

540
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: there and say, well, how did the quarterbacks get there?

541
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Speaker 1: And I totally agree Bob Kraft. The last thing I

542
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 1: want to hear Bill say is I want another shot

543
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Speaker 1: with the quarterbacks. That is the last thing I want

544
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Speaker 1: to hear.

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Speaker 2: And I totally agree with you. But as we kind

546
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Speaker 2: of segue into the quarterbacks here a little bit, I

547
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 2: don't think he's entirely all that wrong. If that's his viewpoint,

548
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 2: that what that the quarterbacks just stink and the quarterbacks

549
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 2: held the team back who drafted them, we developed them.

550
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Speaker 2: But that's not the point. The point that I'm making

551
00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 2: is in a vacuum, yes, just looking at it. This

552
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:01,360
Speaker 2: season in the.

553
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: YA, the quarterback play has not been good. The quarterback

554
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 1: play is the problem. You can't separate that from Bill Belichick.

555
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: Though you can't.

556
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 2: I'm not trying.

557
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 1: And that's not to make excuses for Mac Jones or

558
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 1: Bailey Zappy. We say this about every position. When we

559
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Speaker 1: talk about wide receivers, we don't talk about you know,

560
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 1: Tae Kwon Thornton struggling and just oh that's unfortunate, too bad.

561
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 1: They don't like Bill Belichick doesn't have better receivers. We

562
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 1: do this with every position. You can't separate the two.

563
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 2: But there's gonna be people, and I know, and I

564
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 2: think that there's people in this building. I think there

565
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 2: are people in this building that feel this way that Hey, look,

566
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 2: against Pittsburgh, we got a really good half of quarterback

567
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 2: play out of Bailey Zappi, and we won the game

568
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 2: against a team that has a winning record, that was

569
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Speaker 2: hoping to make the playoffs this year, in the in

570
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 2: the Steelers in their building on a short week, and

571
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 2: all we just got average quarterback play. Like literally Bailey Zappi.

572
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 2: His QBR in this game was fifty two, which means

573
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 2: that he was literally average, right, Like, he was literally

574
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 2: slightly above average. And they won the game. And when

575
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Speaker 2: you look at Zappy moving forward, I think as this

576
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 2: game progress against Pittsburgh, I think a lot of the

577
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Speaker 2: reason why I mentioned earlier, they had the foot on

578
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Speaker 2: the gas in the first half of this game. The

579
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 2: first twenty three minutes of the game, they threw the

580
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 2: ball seventy percent of the time. They came out slinging.

581
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Speaker 2: They came out slinging, they came out throwing deep. You know,

582
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 2: Juju Smith Schuster opening drive thirty seven yard game on

583
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 2: a deep throw Hunter Henry twenty four yard touchdown pass

584
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 2: on a deep throw right. They came out throwing the

585
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Speaker 2: ball down the field and they took the foot off

586
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 2: the gas. And when I look at you know, the

587
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 2: reasons why they did that, I think in a lot

588
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 2: of ways. And Zappi said it yesterday when I asked him,

589
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 2: you know what, when you watch the film back, like,

590
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Speaker 2: what did you see in the second half that changed

591
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 2: for you guys offensively? And he said it was me.

592
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 2: You know, I missed some reads I got. He mentioned

593
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 2: that he got a little bit sped up, a little

594
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 2: bit antsy in the pocket. I thought that's what happened

595
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 2: on the interception, was he's a little sped up, didn't

596
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 2: let the play kind of develop and threw the ball

597
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 2: too early, and all those types of things happened. And

598
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 2: they really, even on a good day for one of

599
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 2: their quarterbacks, they really don't have a guy that can

600
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 2: go four quarters, right, They don't have a guy that

601
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 2: can play well for four quarters. And I was intrigued

602
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 2: by what Zappi gave them in the first half. He

603
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 2: obviously played that was when I watched the film back.

604
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Speaker 2: That was the best play quarterback play that they've had

605
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Speaker 2: all year. I think that was even going.

606
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Speaker 1: Back to his starts last year, that was probably his

607
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: most overall impressive performance given who was against the setting.

608
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Speaker 2: Yeah, all, yeah, yeah, and it was it was good.

609
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 2: But in the final thirty seven minutes of the game,

610
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Speaker 2: it was exactly the same as the rest of the

611
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 2: season for him, for the offense, for everything. So I

612
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 2: want to talk a little bit about that, but before

613
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Speaker 2: we do, I do want to talk about Malie Cunningham

614
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 2: for a second. So on the one hand, and you know,

615
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 2: when this news broke, I think we were on the

616
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 2: on air on Tuesday and I kind of scoffed at

617
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 2: it and I was like, oh, you know, well, too bad.

618
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 2: I guess he's gone. Now. Can't ask me fifty million

619
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 2: questions about when they're gonna play Malik Cunningham every single week.

620
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 2: And I admit that I was like selfish, right, because

621
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Speaker 2: it's I It just got annoying.

622
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Speaker 1: There's only so many times he can answer the Like

623
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Speaker 1: even and you were somebody who want to see Malie

624
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Speaker 1: Cunningham play, Yeah, there's only so many times you can

625
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: answer a question before you just feel like you're repeating

626
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: yourself and you're not doing.

627
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 2: The job right. So with Malik, I've always said, and

628
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 2: you can vouch for me because a lot of people

629
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 2: came at me when I tweeted this and said, oh,

630
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Speaker 2: well that tinesight's twenty twenty. And honest, I had said

631
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 2: from the jump in May that they should have been

632
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Speaker 2: working him at quarterback.

633
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Speaker 1: No, you said from the beginning you were all annoyed

634
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Speaker 1: that we were talking about Malie Cunningham, and you said,

635
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 1: why isn't he playing quarterback.

636
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 2: Right at Louisville? And I get he went undrafted and

637
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 2: people are gonna say he stinks he went undrafted. If

638
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 2: he was any good at quarterback, he would have gotten drafted.

639
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 2: But the point is is that at Louisville he ran

640
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 2: a very very similar system there as Lamar Jackson did.

641
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 2: It's a legit NFL Pro style dropback pass game that

642
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 2: they run at Louisville. Now, they run a lot of

643
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 2: early down short yardage, all of the design quarterback runs

644
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 2: and RPOs and stuff like that with the mobile quarterback,

645
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 2: but when they get into third and eight, they run

646
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 2: a legit drop back pass game with Reids and checks

647
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Speaker 2: and all the whole thing. And he did a pretty

648
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 2: good job at it at Louisville. I mean, he put

649
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Speaker 2: up numbers. I think he broke some of Lamar Jackson's

650
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 2: career records.

651
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: At media some more years on him, but yeah.

652
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I thought the film back in May, I

653
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 2: thought the film from Louisville Quarterback was good enough to

654
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 2: leave him at quarterback. And I think what happened was

655
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 2: is that they spent the spring and summer, especially for

656
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 2: a rookie, is all installation. It's all the foundation that

657
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 2: you're laying for the season of the playbook, like what

658
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 2: the core concepts are, what your staple plays are, and

659
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 2: you're laying a foundation for the rest of the year

660
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 2: so that that way you have this library of plays

661
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 2: that you can just pluck from once you get into

662
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 2: game planning and things like that. Malik his foundation was

663
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 2: laid as a wide receiver, right, so once they figured out.

664
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Speaker 1: But not entirely, sorry, continue continue.

665
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 2: Until really, I'll make my point, just just until really

666
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 2: the Houston preseason game. And then even then when they

667
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 2: got into some of the Malik stuff in practice and

668
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 2: training camp. After Houston game, it was all designed quarterback

669
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 2: runs like he never threw a pass right in like

670
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 2: an actual eleven on the eleven. The only practice that

671
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 2: I remember him throwing passes in was when he was

672
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 2: working the scout team, I think before one of the

673
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 2: games that we had access to. And that's not the

674
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 2: same thing. Like he's running plays off of cards. He's

675
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 2: not running the Patriots offense. He's not working at quarterback

676
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 2: with the ones or anything like that. So he trained

677
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 2: all off season, all spring, all summer, all training camp

678
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 2: as a wide receiver. Then we get into the season

679
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 2: and they start to realize four weeks in, five weeks

680
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 2: in oh crap, you know it's going south with Mac Jones,

681
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:14,800
Speaker 2: And now all of a sudden, Malie Cunningham's in the

682
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 2: quarterback roup and now they're trying to catch up Malik Cunningham.

683
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 2: I'm playing quarterbacks. So to answer the question to everybody

684
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,760
Speaker 2: of why Malik Cunningham never played for the Patriots outside

685
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 2: of that Raider game, the answer to that question is

686
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:31,240
Speaker 2: because Malie Cunningham wasn't ready to play quarterback. He wasn't ready,

687
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 2: He didn't have the foundation, he didn't have the coaching

688
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 2: yet to play the position. If I'm the Patriots and

689
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:42,879
Speaker 2: I'm looking at second guesses. I'm not necessarily looking at

690
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 2: the second guests being keeping Millie Cunningham on the practice

691
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 2: squad and allowing the Ravens to poach him. I understand

692
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 2: that's a fair second guess. But my bigger second guest

693
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 2: with them is that if they had worked him out

694
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 2: at quarterbacks from May on and he was always a

695
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 2: quarterback here, which he have been a viable option come November,

696
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 2: would he have been ready to have a game day

697
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 2: role once mac Jones fully went south and when they

698
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 2: turned to Bailey Zappi or whatever the case may be.

699
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 2: I don't think that Malik Cunningham is going to go

700
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,240
Speaker 2: on with the Baltimore Ravens and become this superstar quarterback.

701
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 2: He's certainly not gonna get the opportunity unless Lamar gets hurt. Well,

702
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 2: being Lamar's backup, you generally get to start a game

703
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:24,479
Speaker 2: or two. That's fair.

704
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: That's not even a knock like he hasn't started a

705
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,839
Speaker 1: full season three years. It's just the way he plays.

706
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 2: But I don't necessarily think that. But I do think

707
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 2: for a team that is starving for quarterback talent at

708
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,760
Speaker 2: that position, and we talked all last offseason Alex about

709
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 2: the Jalen Hurts model, Like, who is the Jalen Hurts

710
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 2: Malik wasn't necessarily in that conversation during the draft. It

711
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 2: was hend and Hooker, it was dtr it was those guys. Yeah,

712
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:55,879
Speaker 2: but he was that at like a discounted price, and

713
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 2: they just never really took him seriously as a quarterback

714
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 2: in the race. I think that's a big reason why

715
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 2: he went to Baltimore. They're looking at him as a quarterback.

716
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 2: They're not gonna try to make him switch positions or

717
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 2: anything like that. So if there's a second guess to me,

718
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 2: it was that they basically rid him off as a

719
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 2: quarterback as soon as he had he stepped foot in

720
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 2: the building. And if you're going to go back, I

721
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,280
Speaker 2: wonder if they would have let him fail at quarterback

722
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 2: first and then try to change him to wide receiver

723
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:26,240
Speaker 2: instead of the other way around.

724
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 1: Well, I think the thing is, and this is look,

725
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,760
Speaker 1: my whole takewa Emently Cunningham was they needed to decide

726
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 1: what he was and I don't think they ever did.

727
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 1: There was too much back and forth with wide receiver

728
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 1: and quarterback, and you can't It's hard enough to develop

729
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 1: player at one position, never mind too, especially one is

730
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: complicated as quarterback. Yeah, so they needed to make up

731
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 1: their mind. I think they probably looked at it because

732
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 1: everybody was calling about Edelman, and you know, they did

733
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 1: this with Julian Edelman. They turned at college quarterback and

734
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,240
Speaker 1: the receiver was really good. And what I kept bringing

735
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,800
Speaker 1: up at the time was it took four years before

736
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 1: Julian Edelman was a true full time contributing wide receiver

737
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: his first three years. One year he caught like thirty passes.

738
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 1: The other three he called less than ten. And I

739
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 1: think they wanted to jump start the process and get

740
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 1: going with them, and it just burning four years on

741
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,839
Speaker 1: that guy when, like you said, you might need him

742
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: at quarterback is certainly a decision, and I just go

743
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 1: they needed to make up their mind. I think if

744
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 1: they'd put him full time at wide receiver, and if

745
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 1: they put him full time at wide receiver, maybe there

746
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: was a chance, but again it would have been this

747
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: long term thing. Putting him at quarterback probably wouldn't have

748
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: played right away. But as a package play, even if

749
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 1: Mac hadn't gone south, you have him as a package

750
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 1: player late in the season, which is what we all

751
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,399
Speaker 1: thought he was going to be at least this year,

752
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 1: like maybe developed into a quarterback long term. But we

753
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: kept throwing out that like Taysom Hill role for him,

754
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: which this team could have used, that they never invested in.

755
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: That to me is wild. I don't. A lot of

756
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 1: people are criticizing them for los Malie cunning him. Yeah,

757
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 1: I don't, because that's not the issue. I criticized them

758
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: for never taking him seriously rightly with with what their

759
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: plan was for him. It doesn't really matter because it

760
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 1: wasn't good. There was no end game there. It was

761
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 1: a long road to nothing. So they lost him, big deal.

762
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 1: They were never gonna figure him out. The issue is

763
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 1: and that they lost him. The issue is they never

764
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 1: identified a plan and had a proper plan in place

765
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 1: for him to begin with.

766
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 2: And I think that this is so to speak to

767
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 2: the bigger problem.

768
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:30,839
Speaker 1: Right and it goes back to what we talked about,

769
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: and this used to be something they were so good at.

770
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: This was the whole thing with Bill. He'd find a player.

771
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 1: Thirty other one teams missed on, Okay, this guy can

772
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: do this one thing. We're gonna build a role into

773
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 1: our scheme where we're gonna emphasize him doing that one thing,

774
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 1: and a lot of these players went on to be

775
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: very successful, to be key parts of championship teams. The

776
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: last few years they've struggled with that. Yeah, it's not

777
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 1: even that they've stopped doing it. It's gone the other

778
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 1: way where where they've plugged players into the wrong spots.

779
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I would also say, you know, people mentioned Edelman.

780
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,720
Speaker 2: People always bring up Jacoby, but Jacoby was a receiver

781
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 2: in college, so Jacoby go. I was gonna say Jacoby

782
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 2: was came to NC State as a quarterback, but he

783
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 2: switched a receiver as a sophomore in and it's.

784
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 1: Still a long term process because he had two years

785
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: in college's wide receiver plus his rookie year in the NFL.

786
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: He really didn't do much. That was another developmental year.

787
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,320
Speaker 1: He didn't really take off until twenty twenty. He started

788
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 1: to come on late with break right. Yeah, But again

789
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 1: that's the point, like, this is not they were never

790
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,280
Speaker 1: gonna take molly kind of him switching to wide receiver

791
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 1: and have him contribute as a rookie. That kind of

792
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: thing takes multiple years, takes three to four years, and

793
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,879
Speaker 1: they probably were open to being patient and seeing it out.

794
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: That's otherwise why was he here? Yeah, playing wide receiver

795
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: as much as he was, but that just it might

796
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 1: have worked. I don't know, it might have worked. This

797
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 1: isn't a team that can burn an active roster spot

798
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: on a guy on a four year plan or a.

799
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 2: Guy with an offensive upside and inability as a as

800
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 2: a mover, you know, as a as an athlete. I

801
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 2: look like Edelman two, and I admit I was. But

802
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 2: he's drafted in twenty ten, right, so I was fifteen

803
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 2: fourteen something like that. I was not breaking down film

804
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 2: when Julian Edelman was drafted, right, is my point? But

805
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 2: I remember watching.

806
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 1: I still think it'd be cool for you to go

807
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 1: do like a feature like that, though, to go.

808
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:17,959
Speaker 2: Back and do that maybe something.

809
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:19,359
Speaker 1: I said that on our last show, and we didn't

810
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: have the rights to any of the footage, so we

811
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: can do it.

812
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 2: Looking back at like highlights of his from from Kent

813
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 2: State though, and in his college days, Julian Edelman was

814
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 2: not the quarterback that Malie Cunningham was.

815
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: No.

816
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 2: No, and I'm not saying he was, but but my

817
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 2: point is is that like using the Edelman comparison, Edelman

818
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 2: was only going to be on an NFL roster if

819
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 2: he switched position.

820
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 1: So I'm just using it to say, if you're going

821
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 1: to move somebody from quarterback to wide receiver, this is

822
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 1: what it takes. Right, That's my My point is less

823
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: I think he could have been a good quarterback here,

824
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 1: because maybe he could. Maybe couldn't it. We're just this

825
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: is what we do. We're coming out of from two

826
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 1: different directions. We don't disagree. My point is more, let's

827
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: just take at face level they viewed as a receiver. Yeah,

828
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 1: that's a four year plan, right, that a team that

829
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 1: doesn't have roster spots to burn would have had to

830
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: burn a roster spot on to keep them for a

831
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: player that probably didn't want to be on that plan.

832
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 2: That's fair. I think that that's a big reason why

833
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:15,839
Speaker 2: he's not here anymore is because I think he got

834
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 2: fed up with it, right, And I totally right.

835
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 1: So, and that's why that's why I'm not that upset

836
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 1: that they lost him, because I don't think it was

837
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 1: going anywhere. Yeah, you know, if he was playing quarterback

838
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 1: and we saw like he gets elevated for these games, right,

839
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: and he's making some plays as a package player and

840
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: all that at the quarterback position. Maybe he's playing a

841
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: little receiver whatever, but like he's impact in the game,

842
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: and then they lost him. Yeah, I'd be a little more. Hey,

843
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:38,879
Speaker 1: why didn't he get a roster spot?

844
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 4: Right?

845
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:41,359
Speaker 1: He wasn't doing anything. They had no interest in him

846
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:41,800
Speaker 1: doing anything.

847
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 2: They had no interest in the player. I don't think

848
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,919
Speaker 2: that they're looking at this as some huge losses. Maybe

849
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 2: they shouldn't, but ultimately I think that the bottom line

850
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 2: is is that they had really they had no interest

851
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 2: in developing him at quarterback. They had no interest in

852
00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 2: him as a player in a big capacity, and so

853
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,240
Speaker 2: they they never really took it seriously.

854
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: Right, So that if you want to be upset about it,

855
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: be upset about that. Be upset that they never took

856
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 1: kind of Ham's development seriously, not that they lost them.

857
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:10,399
Speaker 2: Yeah. I agree. All right, let's get to the calls

858
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 2: and then we'll do three up, three down. Micah is

859
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 2: in Delaware. What's up, Micah?

860
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 5: Hey, guys, I just wanted to go back to what

861
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 5: Evan was saying about like the apple, you know, like

862
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 5: if you have a down year, you're not just going

863
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 5: to like re you know, reconfigure the whole business. And

864
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 5: and the way we've kind of been talking and Evan,

865
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 5: the way you've been talking about this team, it's less

866
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 5: like it's Apple having a down year and more like

867
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 5: it's Blockbuster after Netflix started screaming. Right, it seems like

868
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 5: the way that they I don't want to belabor the

869
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 5: metaphor like business.

870
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:45,720
Speaker 2: It's a good metaphor.

871
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you always use like it's the iPhone calling

872
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 1: the flip phone.

873
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's true.

874
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 5: Right, So it's like, why would we want to bring

875
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 5: somebody back who was who was a part of Blockbuster

876
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 5: and its heyday to run, you know, the team in

877
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 5: this new world that we're living in.

878
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that that that's a fair question, Mike. And

879
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,479
Speaker 2: it's a good comparison Blockbuster in Netflix. Maybe we should

880
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 2: start using that one. Thank you for the call. I

881
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 2: would just say that I don't think that that's what

882
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 2: Just to use girod Mayo as the example here because

883
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 2: it's just the easiest one. I don't really think that

884
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 2: girod Mayo is a part of Blockbuster in this situation, right.

885
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 2: I think what they would be hoping for is that

886
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:35,359
Speaker 2: girod Mayo is sort of that bridge too, from Blockbuster

887
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 2: to streaming right, So Blockbuster doesn't go out of business

888
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 2: because maybe they pivot to streaming right.

889
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 1: So for instance, Netflix to extend the analogy, Yeah, do

890
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:44,839
Speaker 1: you know what Netflix was at first?

891
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like you could do it was like

892
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 2: mail order right.

893
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 1: Right, you picked, you'd pick a movie online. And I

894
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: thought it was stupid because I want to watch the

895
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 1: movie now. I don't want to pick the movie online

896
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: have to wait three days for to show up. Somebody

897
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,879
Speaker 1: at Netflix figured out, hey, what if instead of mail

898
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 1: people these movies, we figure out a way that they

899
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: can just get him right on their TV immediately, like

900
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 1: on demand. Yeah, that's who you hope Girod Mayo is

901
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: that guy. You hope Mayo is the guy that takes

902
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 1: you from mailing people movies that they have to wait

903
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 1: three days to watch to Hey, you press a button

904
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 1: on your remote in boom Netflix right.

905
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 2: So I think that's the difference, is that nobody's sitting

906
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:25,879
Speaker 2: here saying that they should go hire Romeo Crenell as

907
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 2: their next head coach. We're saying that we're hoping that

908
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 2: Gerrod Mayo is somebody that is going to be what

909
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 2: you know, just described.

910
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 1: You want an offensive coach. Charlie Weiss. Yes, who No, No, honestly,

911
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 1: Charlie Weiss is too awesome in the media.

912
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 2: Charlie Weis junior.

913
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he's at ole miss. Yeah.

914
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 2: It is starting to kind of come up a little

915
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,399
Speaker 2: bit on the coaching circuit. We got one question from

916
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 2: in the email about Wes Welker coming on to the

917
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 2: staff in the future, maybe giving him a promotion, you know,

918
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 2: oc role. He's wide receivers coach right now for the

919
00:44:58,200 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 2: Miami Dolphins.

920
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,399
Speaker 1: So he's doing any before that the Niners something. Yeah,

921
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: doing a pretty good job.

922
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, he's had a lot of talent, but yeah,

923
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 2: he's doing a pretty good job. I I And you know,

924
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 2: the emailer is right. You know, we've been pretty critical

925
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 2: of of Troy Brown and why not make that switch.

926
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 2: Wes Welker is not gonna be on Bill Belichicks. No,

927
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 2: those two do not like each other. So if it's

928
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 2: gonna if Wes is gonna be here, is there a

929
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 2: chance if Gerrod's the head coach and he calls up

930
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 2: his former teammate and says, hey, like, why don't you

931
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 2: come run my offense? Like, is there a chance at that?

932
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 2: I suppose, But I guess just from an organizational standpoint,

933
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 2: I wonder where the organization is with Wes Welker, if

934
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 2: that makes sense. You know, are he did not leave

935
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 2: on the best of terms, and honestly, when he was here,

936
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 2: he was not necessarily the best of guys from what

937
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 2: I've heard. I didn't cover the team back then, but

938
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 2: you know, I just I wonder where they feel, what

939
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 2: they feel about Wes Welker organizationally, and if he's really

940
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 2: somebody that they will turned two in a situation like this.

941
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 2: I have been a huge advocate of Wes Welker the

942
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:08,839
Speaker 2: player here in New England. I know he didn't get

943
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 2: the ring. I'm not doing the Edelman Welker debate right now.

944
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 2: We could do that in the off season maybe, but

945
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 2: he's a guy that I look at that probably should

946
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,280
Speaker 2: be in the team Hall of Fame because he basically

947
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 2: leads every single receiving category besides Stanley Morgan and he's not.

948
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 2: And I think a lot of that is not just

949
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 2: because he didn't win a ring. I think a lot

950
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 2: of that is also because of how he handled himself

951
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 2: at times when he was here. So I wonder where

952
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 2: everybody stands on Wes Welker. Do you have a Wes

953
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:40,280
Speaker 2: Welker take.

954
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: Not Wes Welker, but it's one more name I've been

955
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:43,839
Speaker 1: meaning to ask you about. Now just seems like as

956
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 1: good a time as any since we're doing, like, you know,

957
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: late or early twenty tens slot receivers.

958
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:55,879
Speaker 2: Yeah. Brian Hartline, Yeah, I mean he's done a great

959
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:59,720
Speaker 2: job at OSU Ohio State. I should say people understand

960
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 2: I don't know, like he's one of those guys too

961
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 2: that I wonder, like, how hard is it to be

962
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 2: Marvin Harrison Junior's wide receiver coach. Now, he has taken

963
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 2: guys that I would say, like a JSN or someone

964
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 2: like that, who are quite as Harold.

965
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: That's my point. His ability to go out and identify

966
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 1: wide receiver talent because not all of.

967
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 2: These That might be a better way of looking.

968
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 1: At the irony of it. You look at all the

969
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 1: guys that have come through there in the recent years

970
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: in terms of Ohio State wide receivers, right, Garrett Wilson,

971
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 1: Jackson Smith and Jim but Chris Chris Olave. Marvin Harrison Junior,

972
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 1: do you know the highest ranked recruit Ohio State football

973
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 1: sat as a wide receiver? No, it's a guy named

974
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 1: Julian Fleming who's been there for like five years and

975
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 1: just has never that's tough, gained any traction. Right, it's

976
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:45,879
Speaker 1: really weird that everybody else in I mean it goes

977
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: back further, but everybody else is a stud. Yeah, and look,

978
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 1: these guys didn't come out of nowhere. A lot of

979
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 1: them were you know, four stars, you know, lower five

980
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 1: stars whatever. But his ability to identify wide receiver talent

981
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,399
Speaker 1: get the most out of that talent. He's been their

982
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 1: passing game coordinated the last couple of years. I don't

983
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,439
Speaker 1: understand how another college hasn't just offered him a bag

984
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: as a head coach.

985
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:09,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that I do like the angle of him

986
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 2: coming here not just to coach up wide receivers, but

987
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 2: also scout wide receivers, right, you know, because he obviously

988
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:16,919
Speaker 2: got an eye for it, and he's got an eye

989
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 2: for development at that position as well. Because it's not

990
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 2: like you know, a Lave Wilson obviously, Marvin Harrison, like

991
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,839
Speaker 2: those guys are are are specimens, like those guys are

992
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:32,280
Speaker 2: are freaks. But JSN is not necessarily like an athletic freak,

993
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 2: you know, He's he's like a mid four to five's guy.

994
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 2: You know, he's not necessarily one of those types of guys.

995
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 2: So I really do think that he has a good

996
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 2: eye for development, a good ability to develop the position,

997
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,720
Speaker 2: and a good eye for for evaluating the position, scouting

998
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 2: the position. So in that respect, sure, I wonder if

999
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 2: you know, they do somehow privateable out of Tennessee, they

1000
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 2: have a connection that goes back.

1001
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 1: I mean, that would be very interesting.

1002
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:01,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's possible. All right, Eddie is in La. What's up, Betty?

1003
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 3: What's up?

1004
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 4: Guys? I like what you guys are hitting on or

1005
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 4: now a new wide receiver coach. I feel like that's

1006
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 4: a huge need. And on the topic of wide receivers,

1007
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 4: so the two names Key Higgins and Michael Pittman, and

1008
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 4: I would throw Mike Evans into the conversation, but I

1009
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 4: feel like Mike Evans, he's like up there in age.

1010
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 4: I feel like he just like he wants to go

1011
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 4: to contender, you know, or if not, he's just gonna

1012
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 4: want a huge bag. And I don't know if the

1013
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 4: Patriots will give him that. But between Michael Pittman and

1014
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 4: Pee Higgins, who do you guys think is the better option?

1015
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 4: And which one is the cheaper option as well. I

1016
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 4: personally like Michael Pittman Junior better.

1017
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1018
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:41,879
Speaker 4: I just think he's a better player. I think he's

1019
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 4: done more with less. And then one name I want

1020
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 4: to throw out there, who was supposed to be kind

1021
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 4: of generational. I don't know if like you guys are

1022
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 4: interested in taking a stab, if he's like worth a

1023
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 4: cheap pick, is cow pissed? I feel like I don't

1024
00:49:57,600 --> 00:49:59,240
Speaker 4: know if he's gonna want to stay with the Falcons.

1025
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:00,839
Speaker 4: I don't know if the Falcon still on him. But

1026
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:03,399
Speaker 4: obviously he was supposed to be super talented, but it's

1027
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 4: not working out there. So I want to what you

1028
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:06,839
Speaker 4: guys think of that. Have a good one.

1029
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 2: Thanks Eddie, thanks for the call. Yeah. In terms of

1030
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 2: Higgins versus Pittman, I I not to like disagree with Eddie,

1031
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,800
Speaker 2: I guess, but I think Higgins is the better player.

1032
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:22,280
Speaker 2: I think everybody feels that way. But with the difference

1033
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 2: being is in term assuming that you have to win

1034
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 2: a bidding war for T. Higgins, right, would you rather

1035
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:32,720
Speaker 2: pay T Higgins twenty five million dollars a year Michael

1036
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:35,360
Speaker 2: Pittman sixteen? Higgins?

1037
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: He's a better player, and they just they have all

1038
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 1: this cap spaces. They don't need a nickel and dying

1039
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,799
Speaker 1: T Higgins much better player, give me T Higgins. I

1040
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 1: am probably more in on Mike Evans than others. I

1041
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 1: will say that they're wide receivers do traditionally drop off

1042
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 1: after the age of thirty. But if you're going to

1043
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:55,359
Speaker 1: draft a wide receiver high, not necessarily like Marvin Harrison junior,

1044
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 1: but if you're gonna go second round eighty Mitchell's if

1045
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 1: you're worthy guy like that, yeah, Xavier l get having

1046
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: and you're gonna go quarterback in the first round. Having

1047
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 1: a true I know Tiggans is like a veteran, right,

1048
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 1: but having like a true veteran to be a captain

1049
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:17,840
Speaker 1: of the offense, to be a leader of the offense. Yeah,

1050
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 1: with a lot of those younger players, you kind of

1051
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 1: hope Mike Evans is crazy, Like I don't want to

1052
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 1: say bridge player, because he's gonna He's gonna be a

1053
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:28,359
Speaker 1: thousand yard receiver, that's all he does. But kind of

1054
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,720
Speaker 1: as that next wide receiver kind of emerges and maybe

1055
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: you go out, you take another wide receiver again in

1056
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,800
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, Evans is gonna give you a true,

1057
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 1: solidified number one, while those other two guys kind of

1058
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: emerge and give your young quarterback a trusted, veteran presence

1059
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 1: on the field. Yeah, I'm not saying he'd be my

1060
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 1: top option. I'd still rather have T Higgins because I

1061
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 1: just think he's a better player. He is more good

1062
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 1: football ahead of him. A lot of people have just

1063
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 1: written Mike Evans off entirely. I am not in that camp.

1064
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: I would not be upset if they ended up with

1065
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 1: Mike Evans.

1066
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 2: I would I'm out on Mike Evans at some point,

1067
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 2: at that age, with how many snaps he's played in

1068
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 2: the NFL, with how many years he's played in the league,

1069
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 2: it's he's going to decline at something.

1070
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 1: Let's say they get him on like the DeAndre Hopkins contract, Oh,

1071
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 1: two year fad and like more money, but like let's

1072
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 1: say it's two year front loaded. You can get out

1073
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 1: of it, and they still use a premium asset in

1074
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:22,320
Speaker 1: the draft, not a first round pick, but a premium

1075
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 1: masse out on a wide receiver.

1076
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:26,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you can get him for on a discount,

1077
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 2: that's one thing.

1078
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,240
Speaker 1: Not even I'm not even saying a discount.

1079
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 2: Because he's gonna be a straight up free agent, right,

1080
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 2: So I'm not paying market value for my TA, so

1081
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 2: I will pay.

1082
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:36,839
Speaker 1: I'll pay him upfront. I'm not giving him a long

1083
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,280
Speaker 1: term deal. But if they get him, like three years

1084
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 1: for the last year is completely off the books, in

1085
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:45,359
Speaker 1: the second years mostly off the books, I'll give him

1086
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:47,319
Speaker 1: a bag. What else they're doing with that money? They

1087
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: have so much money to spend.

1088
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:49,760
Speaker 2: Spending it on a better player.

1089
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:52,839
Speaker 1: There really aren't that many better players unless you're gonna

1090
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:53,479
Speaker 1: go trade for somebody.

1091
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:56,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they're but they're younger, better guys hitting their primes.

1092
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 2: Like if all right, Higgins? Not everything worked out in

1093
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty one free agency, Yes, free but I

1094
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 2: think the one thing that they were smart about was

1095
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 2: that they took players that were in their prime years. Okay, so,

1096
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 2: but they didn't pay for guys let me get one

1097
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 2: years old?

1098
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 1: Who is going to be But I'm kind of worried

1099
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:16,880
Speaker 1: and just I'm worried about if they're gonna draft a quarterback,

1100
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 1: getting that guy somebody he can count on.

1101
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:20,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's T Higgins.

1102
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 1: And I said I would take T Higgins over Mike Evans. Yeah,

1103
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:24,840
Speaker 1: I said that. Yeah, who's going to be better in

1104
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,720
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. Mike Evans or Michael Pittman.

1105
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know. I I Mike Evans

1106
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 2: is getting up there. Mike Evans in thirteen games this year.

1107
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 2: Keep in mind, he's still got a month to go.

1108
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 1: Sixty two catches, a thousand yard ten touchdowns from Baker

1109
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 1: Mayfield doesn't hopefully you're gonna have a better quarterback than Baker.

1110
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:46,839
Speaker 2: Maybe it's not about what he's doing now, it's about

1111
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:47,879
Speaker 2: what he's gonna do next year.

1112
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 1: But my point how he's not gonna you think he's

1113
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 1: gonna decline that much in one year, it's possible. I mean,

1114
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 1: guys do that generally. When guys do that, Evan, I've

1115
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 1: looked at this. Generally, when guys do that, it happens

1116
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 1: in their age thirty season. He's an age thirty season

1117
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 1: right now.

1118
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:04,720
Speaker 2: Okay, But when you look at like, let's take Gronk

1119
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 2: for example. Yeah, Gronk in twenty seventeen was an All Pro, like,

1120
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 2: one of the best players in the league. In twenty eighteen,

1121
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 2: he was a shell of them.

1122
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 1: He had significant injuries.

1123
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 2: And in my eventually the injuries are gonna catch up

1124
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:17,439
Speaker 2: to Mike Evans.

1125
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 1: If Mike Evans goes out in Rex's ankle next week,

1126
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:21,439
Speaker 1: I'll change my take.

1127
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 2: I would just much rather have a younger upside player,

1128
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 2: and I'm much rather you can get that in the draft.

1129
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 1: You can get that in draft. Not this team has

1130
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:32,839
Speaker 1: a trouble getting that in, then okay. But assuming it's

1131
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 1: somebody else making the pick.

1132
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:36,439
Speaker 2: Maybe I still got to see what that somebody else

1133
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 2: does with it. I still have to see how it

1134
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 2: works in the system that they're running.

1135
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 4: Like.

1136
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 2: I don't think that it's just a pure talent evaluation thing.

1137
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:47,399
Speaker 2: With their struggles at receiver. I think that they it's

1138
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:49,399
Speaker 2: a big part of it, it's probably the biggest part.

1139
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 2: But I think the system, I think the development of

1140
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 2: that position, I think the coaching at that position. I

1141
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 2: think all of those things are concerns. So if you're

1142
00:54:56,719 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 2: gonna give, isn't Dell O'Brien and Troy Brown Xavier worthy

1143
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 2: than I have? I have fears of what they're Okay,

1144
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:04,799
Speaker 2: So I would say everything you just said is all

1145
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,360
Speaker 2: the more reason to get a guy that's truly established

1146
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:09,359
Speaker 2: in a true pro and a guy who's been through

1147
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:11,320
Speaker 2: it and done it and doesn't need to coach Higgins,

1148
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:14,319
Speaker 2: not that I said I want t Higgins. So this

1149
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:17,319
Speaker 2: is Mike Evans versus Michael Pittman is yes, what you're saying, Yes,

1150
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 2: all right. I like Michael Pittman a lot. I Michael

1151
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 2: Pittman's going to be a thousand yard guy.

1152
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 1: I think Michael Pittman still has some growing to do.

1153
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 1: I think Mike Evans, you know what you get and

1154
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 1: that's what you just said, that's what you know. No,

1155
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 1: but he's a he's a really good play You don't

1156
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:33,319
Speaker 1: need to coach Mike Evans. You tell me to go

1157
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 1: out there. He's telling them to run his routes. Let

1158
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 1: me ask you real quick a couple more, because there's

1159
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 1: this interesting trend now where all these receivers are very

1160
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 1: upset with their teams, a lot of star receivers.

1161
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 2: Have you noticed this?

1162
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 1: Not really DeVante Adams in a rout.

1163
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 2: I'm in, but I don't know. I I have a

1164
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 2: hard time to believing that they are going to convince

1165
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,840
Speaker 2: DeVante Adams to come here. But obviously DeVante Adams is

1166
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 2: great player met all the way.

1167
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 1: But I'm like, with the costs, I'm saying with the like,

1168
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 1: let's say I have to give up.

1169
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 2: Like I would. I would take DK in a heartbeat.

1170
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 3: A J.

1171
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:10,720
Speaker 2: Brown, Oh, he's not leaving Philly.

1172
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 1: You don't think so. No, he's kind of upset they

1173
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:14,919
Speaker 1: got to pay Devonte Smith. Here's the thing about wide

1174
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:17,279
Speaker 1: and I'm not saying that all that I.

1175
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 2: Think is more likely to leave in that scenario.

1176
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:21,759
Speaker 1: Devantae Smith. Okay, Jonay Smith, yea.

1177
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 2: Here's here's my thing that they're under utilizing Devonte Smith

1178
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:26,400
Speaker 2: in Philly.

1179
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 1: Here's my thing about You're kind of right. Here's my

1180
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 1: thing about wide receivers when it comes to the offseason.

1181
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 1: Because we've talked about, you know, we know Evans is

1182
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 1: going to be a free agent, Higgins gonna be a

1183
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 1: free agent. Pittman like the why the free agent class

1184
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 1: doesn't maybe look as deep as you'd like. At no

1185
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 1: position do star players become randomly available more than wide receiver.

1186
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill wasn't available into like a week before he

1187
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 1: got traded.

1188
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:52,840
Speaker 2: Say this all the time. A. J.

1189
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:55,320
Speaker 1: Brown was, So, I'm saying, like, I'm looking around the league,

1190
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 1: and you got the other one would be Stephan Diggs.

1191
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 1: The Bills aren't trading him here. That would have to

1192
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:00,959
Speaker 1: be a whole. But like I look around the league,

1193
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:03,240
Speaker 1: I see a lot of unhappy wide receivers.

1194
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:05,879
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, well wide receivers are always unhappy when they're

1195
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,359
Speaker 2: not getting the ball. They're all they're divas, and that's fine.

1196
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 2: Like I don't have anything. I'm not like anti wide receiver,

1197
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 2: like like you know, Felger or something like that.

1198
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:14,319
Speaker 1: You know, Ilger's come around on that.

1199
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 2: Okay. But the biggest thing is is that you mentioned

1200
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 2: the guy that I would go after, Well, I would

1201
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 2: Brandon Ayuk is the real guy I would go after.

1202
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 2: But the Niners, I think are gonna are gonna think

1203
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 2: Brandon Uh. DeVante Smith, I feel like, is really underutilized

1204
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 2: in Philadelphia. They don't like use him like Alabama did

1205
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 2: where they're moving them all around the four, all this

1206
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 2: type of stuff. He plays in the slot, he plays

1207
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 2: the Z and that's pretty much it. I think that

1208
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 2: DeVante Smith would be unlocked in a Bill O'Brien offense

1209
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 2: because O'Brien would use him how they did at Bama.

1210
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 2: They he'd use him in motion. They use them all

1211
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 2: different sort of stacks, bunches, get them off the line

1212
00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 2: of scrimmage and just let him run routes, which is

1213
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 2: what he's great at. I've always loved his game. I

1214
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 2: think they loved his game in the draft. Yeah, and

1215
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 2: he's going into year four. He has a fifth year option,

1216
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 2: so they technically have two years of team control, but

1217
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 2: eventually they're gonna have to either pay him or trade him.

1218
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 2: It's the same conversation as as we have with T.

1219
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 2: Higgins is just a year earlier or Jerry Judy, but

1220
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 2: the player right right, he's basically just better Jerry Judy. Yeah.

1221
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 1: Again, I would just say with wide receiver, when I'm

1222
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 1: saying I like Evans because I don't love the free

1223
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 1: agent options, I don't. I'm not saying that they're all

1224
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 1: bad again T Higgins, I take Higgins. Yeah, I'm not

1225
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 1: ruling out that mystery receiver X becomes available, right, And

1226
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 1: That's where I'm at too, is when that does happens,

1227
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 1: the Patriots need to be players every off.

1228
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 2: Last last year was probably the quietest year when it

1229
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 2: comes to wide receiver movement. Like Hopkins was kind of

1230
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 2: those Hawkins and Judy, Yeah, Judy like wanted Judy Hopkins

1231
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:57,640
Speaker 2: was really the guy that came available. But but the

1232
00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 2: last like five years before that, it's Aj Brown, it's

1233
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 2: Tyreek Kill, it's Tafon Diggs. Like there was a huge

1234
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 2: movement at that position in the trade market. So I'm

1235
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 2: with you that that's where they should be looking first

1236
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 2: and foremost is who's the star wide receiver that's better

1237
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 2: than the free agents that is going to be moved

1238
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 2: because of contract, because of the situation. And I just

1239
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 2: wonder what DeVante Smith. Like That Eagles team, they're great

1240
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 2: at drafting, They're a wagon. Like if they were to

1241
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 2: trade DeVante Smith and then just draft Xavier Worthy or

1242
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 2: you know, right, like, would it be that much worse

1243
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 2: for them in terms of the drafting the replacement.

1244
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 1: I guess what I wonder is I think Smith gets

1245
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 1: along with Hurts better than Brown does. Brown has that

1246
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 1: big contract you could unload.

1247
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 2: I just think he's a better player.

1248
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 1: He is a better player. But if if they go

1249
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 1: to Jalen Hurts and say we can only keep one,

1250
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:48,880
Speaker 1: who's Jalen Hurts can tell them to take to keep?

1251
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 2: I I mean, I would think Aj Brown.

1252
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:52,680
Speaker 1: I would think DeVante Smith.

1253
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 2: See, but like if you're putting your personal stuff like

1254
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:59,080
Speaker 2: then that then don't ask the quarterback like he's just

1255
00:59:59,120 --> 00:59:59,919
Speaker 2: a much better part.

1256
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 1: I if I had told you two years ago the

1257
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:04,200
Speaker 1: Titans are gonna trade a J. Brown, you would have

1258
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 1: sad anyway. By the way, remember when everybody told us

1259
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:08,240
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins was old and watched Oh yeah, yeah.

1260
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:10,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't have to take that victory?

1261
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 1: All right?

1262
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 2: Mark is in Connecticut. What's up? Mark?

1263
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:16,040
Speaker 6: Going on today? Guys?

1264
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 2: Not much? How you doing?

1265
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 3: Not bad?

1266
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 6: So I'm just I'm really kicked off about the whole

1267
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:27,640
Speaker 6: elite Cunningham thing because he was obviously underutilized. I think

1268
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 6: he's gonna tear it up at Baltimore if he gets

1269
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:32,280
Speaker 6: a chance. I think he's gonna be a good talent

1270
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 6: that Bill just didn't know what.

1271
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:34,480
Speaker 3: To do with.

1272
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 6: And what I don't understand is I think that you

1273
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 6: can protect up to three or four players on the

1274
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 6: practice squad. So Evan, why didn't he protect Palik Cunningham

1275
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 6: so that he can continue developing him?

1276
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:46,959
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1277
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:49,959
Speaker 6: And then do you think Bop Douglas will be good

1278
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 6: to go this weekend?

1279
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:53,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a fair question. Thanks for the call. Mark.

1280
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 1: They still do practice squad protection, you can.

1281
01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 2: The Patriots have never done it.

1282
01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:57,600
Speaker 1: No team does it.

1283
01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:00,320
Speaker 2: They never do it. They they I don't think they've

1284
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 2: ever protected a guy on the practice squad and since

1285
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:03,400
Speaker 2: that rule came but.

1286
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 1: You know what, in COVID, no, and no team's done it,

1287
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 1: I think since twenty twenty. Yeah, because they don't want

1288
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 1: other teams to know which players they really want.

1289
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:12,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. Maybe it's that, Maybe it's just

1290
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:14,800
Speaker 2: it's kind of a slight on the player, kind of

1291
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 2: Hampston as the player. You're not paying him a fifty

1292
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 2: three man roster salary, but he also can't go anywhere

1293
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 2: on a fifty three man roster. But they've never done

1294
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:26,880
Speaker 2: that to my knowledge, at least that I and I'm

1295
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:29,960
Speaker 2: pretty sure i'd remember if they had ever, and I

1296
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:32,440
Speaker 2: think they never have that. That's a COVID rule that

1297
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:34,960
Speaker 2: came into place, I believe in the twenty twenty season,

1298
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:37,600
Speaker 2: or maybe it was the CBA of renewal. I don't

1299
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:40,040
Speaker 2: know which one. Those two things kind of blended together,

1300
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:43,520
Speaker 2: but regardless, I guess it's a fair sort of question.

1301
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 2: But I think it comes back to what we were

1302
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 2: talking about earlier with Malik Alex. I just don't think

1303
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:50,800
Speaker 2: they cared. I just don't think they cared. And I

1304
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 2: completely agree with Mark though that that development there was

1305
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 2: messed up, like they they did not understand. I don't

1306
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:00,880
Speaker 2: think it's that they didn't understand how to how to

1307
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:04,520
Speaker 2: use him, because I think Bill O'Brien has had enough

1308
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 2: experience with mobile quarterbacks. You know, Watson, like Bryce Young

1309
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 2: is not like Lamark Jackson, but like he can you know,

1310
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 2: he moved a little bit, moves around a little bit

1311
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:15,080
Speaker 2: at Bama. Like I think that he had enough of

1312
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:17,919
Speaker 2: that that he would know what to do with Mully

1313
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 2: Cuttingham when he was in the game. But I just

1314
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:23,120
Speaker 2: don't think that they really had much interest in that

1315
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 2: whole thing, in the whole the whole thing, which I

1316
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:28,800
Speaker 2: think is just shocking to me because you mentioned, you know,

1317
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 2: Taysom Hill earlier. Yeah, that seems like such a Belichick

1318
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:33,120
Speaker 2: Bill's loved.

1319
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:36,200
Speaker 1: I've I've I write about this every year going into

1320
01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:40,400
Speaker 1: the draft. That Bill raved before the Falcons game in

1321
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:43,640
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, that Thursday night game. Yeah, raved about

1322
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:46,520
Speaker 1: Felipe Franks. Oh right, I remember playing tight end and

1323
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 1: covering kicks and he mentioned Taysom Hill and that answered

1324
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:52,000
Speaker 1: he really sounded like he wanted one of those guys. Yeah,

1325
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:53,600
Speaker 1: and he just never has by the ways d CA

1326
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Speaker 1: Mecas's birthday.

1327
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:57,280
Speaker 2: Oh, happy birthday, one of my favorite players. All right,

1328
01:02:57,360 --> 01:02:59,840
Speaker 2: let's twenty six. Let's do three up, three down real quick.

1329
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 2: We haven't really talked too much about the current Patriots,

1330
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:09,080
Speaker 2: so that's good. I'll start with my upside number one up.

1331
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:12,200
Speaker 2: In this game, I got a handed to Zeke Elliott

1332
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 2: number one.

1333
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:14,600
Speaker 1: I was actually gonna put mine in order this week

1334
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:15,640
Speaker 1: because I want to give him play.

1335
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:19,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, look at you actually doing the assignment. Zeke

1336
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 2: Elliott number one up.

1337
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:21,560
Speaker 1: Usually take most of mine anyway.

1338
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 2: One hundred and forty yards from scrimmage. Played all but

1339
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:28,560
Speaker 2: five offensive snaps in this game. Huge factor in the

1340
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:31,720
Speaker 2: past game. I thought the run game. I didn't literally

1341
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:33,720
Speaker 2: like how they schemed up the run game with those

1342
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:36,960
Speaker 2: tackle poles and things like that. TJ. Watt just blowing

1343
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:40,160
Speaker 2: up the run game every two seconds. But I thought

1344
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 2: he ran grinded out some really tough yards in this game.

1345
01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 2: That they didn't have great blocking in the run game.

1346
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:48,800
Speaker 2: I guess is as I jumple through my words here,

1347
01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:50,840
Speaker 2: I didn't have great blocking in the run game, but

1348
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:53,480
Speaker 2: still churned out some positive yards on a lot of runs.

1349
01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:56,840
Speaker 2: Passing game. Like I mentioned, was phenomenal in this game,

1350
01:03:57,160 --> 01:04:02,480
Speaker 2: a touchdown, all of it was just a professional, prose

1351
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:05,680
Speaker 2: pro type of performance. And I'll give him kudos for

1352
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:08,360
Speaker 2: the tackle too. I'm not as like high and all

1353
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:11,120
Speaker 2: like hot and bothered about the tackle as other people are,

1354
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:14,160
Speaker 2: but he did make that tackle on the interception too.

1355
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:19,960
Speaker 2: Just in general, I've really really enjoyed the Zeke Elliott experience.

1356
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 2: He's I had no idea the type of guy that

1357
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:29,080
Speaker 2: he was beforehand, no idea, but if I had to

1358
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:31,400
Speaker 2: venture a guest, I didn't expect him to be as

1359
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:34,240
Speaker 2: personable and as fun and as good of a guy

1360
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:35,960
Speaker 2: as he actually is. Not because I thought he was

1361
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:39,160
Speaker 2: a bad guy. I just didn't know, right, And I've

1362
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:42,680
Speaker 2: been really enjoying his experience. I hope he's back next year.

1363
01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:46,520
Speaker 2: I think he's a really a pros pro like. He's

1364
01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:48,840
Speaker 2: one of those guys that easily, at this point of

1365
01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:51,080
Speaker 2: the season on a three to ten team could be like,

1366
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:53,880
Speaker 2: I'm not under contract next year. I played a position

1367
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:57,040
Speaker 2: that people care about wear and tear. I don't like

1368
01:04:57,120 --> 01:04:59,040
Speaker 2: I put Kevin Harris out there and.

1369
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:01,840
Speaker 1: He's not said yesday, hope they wear me out, hope

1370
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:04,040
Speaker 1: they use me up. He's a guy that would have

1371
01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 1: fit so perfect on one of those like dynasty teams. Oh,

1372
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:09,080
Speaker 1: just the attitude of all of it, you hit on

1373
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:10,520
Speaker 1: all of it. He was so good in this game,

1374
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:14,120
Speaker 1: playing with a ton of effort. He looks like he

1375
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:16,840
Speaker 1: did in Dallas. There's not a ton of rust on him.

1376
01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:20,080
Speaker 1: And yeah, I think he's He's handled this season tremendously.

1377
01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:21,720
Speaker 1: I think he's a guy that other players in the

1378
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:24,400
Speaker 1: locker room respond to. I hope he's back as well.

1379
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:26,000
Speaker 1: But he When I say he's gonna get paid, I

1380
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 1: don't mean he's gonna get like twenty million dollars a year,

1381
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:30,800
Speaker 1: but relative to running backs, I don't think the pay.

1382
01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:32,560
Speaker 1: This can be one of those things where the Patriots

1383
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:34,320
Speaker 1: just like, wait until May and then call him and

1384
01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:36,480
Speaker 1: sign him for like a year two million. Now they're

1385
01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:40,760
Speaker 1: gonna be teams contending teams that won Ezekiel Elliott based

1386
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:42,520
Speaker 1: off what he showed this year. I agree, all right,

1387
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:44,240
Speaker 1: So that was our both of our number one up.

1388
01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:47,680
Speaker 1: Who's the number two probably the same, Anthony Jennings. Yeah, Yeah,

1389
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 1: he was awesome in this game. If you followed us

1390
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:52,240
Speaker 1: during the draft, you know how much we both like

1391
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:57,160
Speaker 1: Darnett Washington, big physical, basically a tackle playing tight end,

1392
01:05:57,480 --> 01:05:59,720
Speaker 1: and Anthony Jennings treated to him like wrapping paple, like

1393
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:02,560
Speaker 1: just tossed him to the side. They kept trying to

1394
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:05,280
Speaker 1: run that stretch run behind him and andfonw Jennings was

1395
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 1: having none of it. Another tremendous game for him. And

1396
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:11,120
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm saying it every week now. That's

1397
01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:12,640
Speaker 1: a guy that's got to get a new contract. That's

1398
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:14,880
Speaker 1: a guy that you have to bring back. I would argue,

1399
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:17,880
Speaker 1: and I'm not saying pay he's worth more money wise

1400
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:21,640
Speaker 1: dollars wise, but I would he would be the between

1401
01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:24,000
Speaker 1: him and and Uce. He would be the first call

1402
01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:25,560
Speaker 1: I make to get a new contract done.

1403
01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:29,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's been phenomenal. He's thurn in among edge defenders

1404
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:32,000
Speaker 2: and run stuffs right now. Only Carl Granderson and Max

1405
01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:34,640
Speaker 2: Crosby have more run stuffs among the edge guys in

1406
01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:37,520
Speaker 2: the NFL this year. And that's with him not playing

1407
01:06:37,560 --> 01:06:39,240
Speaker 2: the first couple games of the year. Remember he was

1408
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:43,400
Speaker 2: inactive until Judon got hurt, basically like until the Cowboys game.

1409
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:48,360
Speaker 2: And he's been phenomenal playing the run could contain edge

1410
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:50,880
Speaker 2: guy like not necessarily a pressure guy in the passing game,

1411
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:53,000
Speaker 2: but he doesn't let the quarterback out of the pocket

1412
01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:57,680
Speaker 2: to his side very often. Just a physical, smart, good

1413
01:06:57,720 --> 01:06:59,760
Speaker 2: awareness type player at the end of the line. I

1414
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:03,440
Speaker 2: was asking around about him during the assistant calls on Tuesday,

1415
01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:07,720
Speaker 2: and Girod Mayo said that he had started, remember in

1416
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:09,680
Speaker 2: twenty twenty in the COVID year, as an off the

1417
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:13,120
Speaker 2: ball linebacker, and he really kind of Mayo put it

1418
01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:14,600
Speaker 2: on the coaching staff. He was like, it's kind of

1419
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:16,840
Speaker 2: our fault, like we played him out of position. He

1420
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:19,440
Speaker 2: didn't play very well in twenty twenty one. He was

1421
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:23,000
Speaker 2: on ir the entire year, and then last year we've

1422
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:24,920
Speaker 2: put him back on the line. We got him in

1423
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:27,960
Speaker 2: the right position in our defense, and he had a

1424
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:29,920
Speaker 2: pretty good year last year, and they kind of saw

1425
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:32,120
Speaker 2: him coming on last year and then this year with

1426
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:34,760
Speaker 2: the more opportunity, we've just noticed him more, you know,

1427
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:39,920
Speaker 2: with more opportunities, and he's been phenomenal really since Judn

1428
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:42,480
Speaker 2: went out. And I don't think that it's a coincidence

1429
01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:44,920
Speaker 2: that they're number one in the in the league in

1430
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:48,040
Speaker 2: pretty much every statistical category against the run. With Anthony

1431
01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:50,400
Speaker 2: Jennings playing as much as he is and as well

1432
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:52,760
Speaker 2: as he is. They're number one in the league in

1433
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:57,160
Speaker 2: every category against the run, yards per carry, success rate, EPA, DVA,

1434
01:07:57,320 --> 01:07:59,840
Speaker 2: like whatever you want to use. They are number one

1435
01:07:59,840 --> 01:08:02,400
Speaker 2: in the league in it and against iron and he's

1436
01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:06,000
Speaker 2: a big, big reason why Amon Vennis deserves the praise.

1437
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:09,440
Speaker 2: Who's next? My third was Stephen Grodd.

1438
01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:14,360
Speaker 1: I thought that the stuff they did schematically on a

1439
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:16,320
Speaker 1: short week, coming in with the game plan they did,

1440
01:08:16,320 --> 01:08:18,439
Speaker 1: there were a ton of new wrinkles in there. I

1441
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:20,799
Speaker 1: think they they did a really good job of putting

1442
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:24,280
Speaker 1: certain guys in position to make plays. Jennings on the edge.

1443
01:08:24,320 --> 01:08:27,080
Speaker 1: I thought Jabrol Pepper's usage was excellent in this game.

1444
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:31,080
Speaker 1: I just I thought they had And people say, how

1445
01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:33,559
Speaker 1: hard is it to game plan for Mitchell Trubisky yet,

1446
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:35,400
Speaker 1: a guy who hasn't started a game yet this year?

1447
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:39,680
Speaker 1: Short week to prepare for it. That was not the easiest.

1448
01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:41,360
Speaker 1: It wasn't the hardest week to game plan, but it

1449
01:08:41,400 --> 01:08:43,560
Speaker 1: was hardly the easiest week to come up with a

1450
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:46,040
Speaker 1: defensive game plan. And it's not just like their defensive

1451
01:08:46,040 --> 01:08:48,200
Speaker 1: game plan was good. Dare I say it was near perfect?

1452
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:50,840
Speaker 1: There were very few plays where I was like, well,

1453
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:53,240
Speaker 1: I you know, you couldn't tell even if it didn't work,

1454
01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:56,360
Speaker 1: you couldn't tell what the intention was behind it, or

1455
01:08:56,400 --> 01:08:58,080
Speaker 1: you couldn't tell what the purpose was behind it or

1456
01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:00,640
Speaker 1: anything like that. The one I really really loved, and

1457
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:02,599
Speaker 1: I think they've done it a few times throughout the year,

1458
01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:04,400
Speaker 1: but they really went heavy on it this year and.

1459
01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:05,920
Speaker 2: It was really cool.

1460
01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:09,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, is they'd put Christian Barber, who of course is

1461
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:11,760
Speaker 1: grandfathered into the ups. We said, we just don't talk

1462
01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:14,360
Speaker 1: about it anymore because it's obvious. Yeah, they'd put Barmore

1463
01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:16,519
Speaker 1: and Keon White as the two down linemen. Yeah, and

1464
01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:18,760
Speaker 1: rush them and then just pulled and then it would

1465
01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:20,880
Speaker 1: be like there'd be no the linebackers on the field.

1466
01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:22,439
Speaker 1: Maybe Bentley would be out there, but to be pretty

1467
01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:25,439
Speaker 1: much all corners and safeties and just pull two guys

1468
01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:27,840
Speaker 1: out of the secondary and rush him with those two. Yeah,

1469
01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:31,040
Speaker 1: And that led to a sack for Kyle Duggar that

1470
01:09:31,320 --> 01:09:32,920
Speaker 1: they ran in a bunch on third downs. That was

1471
01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:35,439
Speaker 1: the look that led to the interception. Yeah, just you

1472
01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:37,960
Speaker 1: could tell Trubisky did not know what he was looking at.

1473
01:09:38,360 --> 01:09:41,679
Speaker 1: I'm not sure how much application that look has against

1474
01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:44,400
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes. Yeah, just a very different kind of quarterback.

1475
01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:46,240
Speaker 1: But when you go down the stretch, here a few

1476
01:09:46,280 --> 01:09:48,639
Speaker 1: more games and it's something to bring back next year.

1477
01:09:49,280 --> 01:09:52,880
Speaker 1: Super fun look, and they definitely got their money's worth

1478
01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:53,160
Speaker 1: with it.

1479
01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:56,320
Speaker 2: Yeah that's fair. I thought the one nippick I had

1480
01:09:56,360 --> 01:10:00,360
Speaker 2: just had was on a touchdown to Deontay Johnson cover

1481
01:10:00,479 --> 01:10:03,280
Speaker 2: zero in that situation was a little aggressive. It was

1482
01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:03,880
Speaker 2: like second and.

1483
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:08,240
Speaker 1: Five and throw I don't know, man like yeah exactly,

1484
01:10:08,280 --> 01:10:09,679
Speaker 1: like make him sit there and make a throw.

1485
01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:11,320
Speaker 2: I thought they bailed him out a little bit on

1486
01:10:11,360 --> 01:10:14,439
Speaker 2: that call. But in general, I think that they that

1487
01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:17,240
Speaker 2: Steve has called a good game, you know, this season.

1488
01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:19,679
Speaker 2: You know, he's called a good season of defense. And yeah,

1489
01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:22,080
Speaker 2: they've been good on that side of the ball. My

1490
01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:24,800
Speaker 2: last up was Bailey z Appy. I just think that

1491
01:10:25,400 --> 01:10:28,400
Speaker 2: their quarterback plays have been so terrible to have it

1492
01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:31,400
Speaker 2: be really really good for twenty three minutes and then

1493
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:34,880
Speaker 2: kind of like at least average, I guess in the

1494
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:38,559
Speaker 2: last you know part of the game there, I the

1495
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:42,080
Speaker 2: interception I thought was was his really only truly bad play.

1496
01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:43,840
Speaker 2: And there's a couple of felt like a little bit

1497
01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:45,559
Speaker 2: of a heat check. Yeah, there's a couple of other

1498
01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:49,439
Speaker 2: plays there, here and there where he's missing reads a

1499
01:10:49,439 --> 01:10:52,920
Speaker 2: little bit. You know, for for whatever reason, he maybe

1500
01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:56,000
Speaker 2: it's trying to coach the Matt Patricia out of him.

1501
01:10:56,439 --> 01:10:58,959
Speaker 2: He keeps on throwing those go balls down the sideline,

1502
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:00,640
Speaker 2: and he threw one too. Taekwon thor in where he

1503
01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:03,000
Speaker 2: just had both They had like crossers going in the

1504
01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:05,280
Speaker 2: middle of the field with the vertical on the outside.

1505
01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:07,320
Speaker 2: He had bold crossers wide open in the middle of

1506
01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:09,680
Speaker 2: the field. Never looked, never looked at him, just hit

1507
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:11,879
Speaker 2: the back of the drop and chucked it to taekwond

1508
01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:13,639
Speaker 2: you know that type of stuff. I think he needs

1509
01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:17,840
Speaker 2: to get out of his system. But the the progress

1510
01:11:17,880 --> 01:11:21,679
Speaker 2: that he has made as and I use this term loosely,

1511
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:24,440
Speaker 2: as like a field general at the line of scrimmage

1512
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:27,080
Speaker 2: and checking in and out of things and alerting things.

1513
01:11:27,120 --> 01:11:29,000
Speaker 2: And you know, they were going in this game like

1514
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:31,800
Speaker 2: they were going heavy, you know, to tight end. They

1515
01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:33,760
Speaker 2: are starting under center, and if he got the look,

1516
01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:36,040
Speaker 2: they were like expanding to empty like they haven't done

1517
01:11:36,040 --> 01:11:38,280
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff in years because they haven't been

1518
01:11:38,280 --> 01:11:41,280
Speaker 2: able to. So where he was in the summer in

1519
01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:44,600
Speaker 2: terms of his grasp of the offense and where he

1520
01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:47,240
Speaker 2: is now to be able to you know, alert to

1521
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:50,120
Speaker 2: the juju Smith Schuster play on the opening drive, to

1522
01:11:50,439 --> 01:11:53,040
Speaker 2: do the empty stuff and then you know, kind of

1523
01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:54,840
Speaker 2: be condensed and then break it out and all that.

1524
01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:57,120
Speaker 2: To do all that kind of stuff at this point,

1525
01:11:57,160 --> 01:11:59,360
Speaker 2: I think shows how much growth he has made in

1526
01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:04,200
Speaker 2: the offense. And uh, he's giving them at least this

1527
01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:07,800
Speaker 2: past week he gave them winning quarterback play, which they

1528
01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:09,679
Speaker 2: haven't had in probably six weeks.

1529
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:11,600
Speaker 1: Sounds like somebody's got a little touch his happy.

1530
01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:15,600
Speaker 2: Fever because the bar is on the floor. Like you

1531
01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:18,040
Speaker 2: sound pretty excited now, No, the bar is on the floor,

1532
01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:20,320
Speaker 2: And I I just feel like I've been critical of

1533
01:12:20,360 --> 01:12:22,479
Speaker 2: Bailey's appy in the past, so I might as well

1534
01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:23,599
Speaker 2: he plays a little.

1535
01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:25,879
Speaker 1: Touch of the fever. No, we'll touch it a little.

1536
01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:29,320
Speaker 2: Bit like as like our Tyler Huntley or what you know,

1537
01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:35,160
Speaker 2: our Taylor heine Key like as the backup quarterback next year. Fine,

1538
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:37,400
Speaker 2: you know, depending on who the starter, the type of

1539
01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:40,400
Speaker 2: player the starter is. That's another thing too, just like

1540
01:12:40,479 --> 01:12:43,880
Speaker 2: really quickly that I forgot to mention, what if Jayden

1541
01:12:43,960 --> 01:12:46,120
Speaker 2: Daniels is the quarterback here next year and they had

1542
01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:47,639
Speaker 2: Malie Cunningham.

1543
01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:49,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, that would have been kind of perfect.

1544
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:51,639
Speaker 2: Geez, what what what?

1545
01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:55,880
Speaker 1: What? Well? I mean they I wouldn't say, look, no

1546
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:58,920
Speaker 1: disrespectfully cunning him. You can there will be other guys

1547
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:00,439
Speaker 1: with that skill set that you can get.

1548
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:02,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, but it would have made it like

1549
01:13:02,360 --> 01:13:04,840
Speaker 2: it's it's so that's what the Ravens are doing with

1550
01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:07,599
Speaker 2: Lamar jack true, yeah, like it just that's the whole thing,

1551
01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:11,400
Speaker 2: all right, downs number one down from me in this game.

1552
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:16,800
Speaker 2: I like j C. Jackson, but my my goodness, like

1553
01:13:17,439 --> 01:13:20,080
Speaker 2: j C. Jackson has just been awful for this team

1554
01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:22,519
Speaker 2: since he's come back. He really has just been awful.

1555
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:26,840
Speaker 2: I thought this week and last week he wasn't at

1556
01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:29,240
Speaker 2: least he wasn't like playing a different coverage than the

1557
01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:32,080
Speaker 2: rest of the defense or like randomly just letting a

1558
01:13:32,120 --> 01:13:35,479
Speaker 2: guy you know, loose and busting a coverage left and right.

1559
01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:38,800
Speaker 2: You know, like that wasn't happening as much. But two

1560
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:41,000
Speaker 2: DPIs is two DPIs. I think the one of the

1561
01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:43,559
Speaker 2: end zone was a little ticky tacky, but they called

1562
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:48,080
Speaker 2: it so to d two DPIs the touchdown he gave up.

1563
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:51,200
Speaker 2: He played the ball terribly, you know, just terribly tracking

1564
01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:54,400
Speaker 2: the football there. I think, what's so disappointing about how

1565
01:13:54,479 --> 01:13:58,160
Speaker 2: j C has played. Is the touchdown that he gave

1566
01:13:58,240 --> 01:14:00,360
Speaker 2: up to Dean Jay Johnson that you used to be

1567
01:14:00,479 --> 01:14:01,920
Speaker 2: vintage j C. Jackson.

1568
01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:04,120
Speaker 1: So that that's why I have less trouble with the

1569
01:14:04,120 --> 01:14:06,840
Speaker 1: cover zero. You call that play because you have a corner.

1570
01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:08,479
Speaker 1: You think you have a corner like jac Jackson on

1571
01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:10,080
Speaker 1: the outside that used to be their bread and butter.

1572
01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:12,720
Speaker 2: He used to track that ball like a wide receiver, right,

1573
01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:14,479
Speaker 2: So that's it's all his.

1574
01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:16,720
Speaker 1: Whole calibration on that is all thrown. Is that on

1575
01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:19,400
Speaker 1: Steven drod for calling the play or is that on

1576
01:14:19,479 --> 01:14:21,439
Speaker 1: j C. Jackson for that to play? I think they

1577
01:14:21,479 --> 01:14:23,960
Speaker 1: expect jac Jackson to make you gotta know, you gotta

1578
01:14:24,120 --> 01:14:26,280
Speaker 1: He's not the same guy anymore. I don't think that

1579
01:14:26,360 --> 01:14:29,679
Speaker 1: he doesn't run as well anymore. I think he's starting

1580
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:31,439
Speaker 1: to get that back because I know the knee injuries

1581
01:14:31,479 --> 01:14:33,559
Speaker 1: that people are questioning whether or not he can run.

1582
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:37,240
Speaker 2: On film, it looks like he's he can move still.

1583
01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:40,639
Speaker 2: I just think that he is totally detached from everything

1584
01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:42,799
Speaker 2: that's going on. And I don't just think it's because

1585
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:44,680
Speaker 2: they're three and ten, like he was like this with

1586
01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:47,760
Speaker 2: the Chargers too, So I think that he's just totally detached.

1587
01:14:48,160 --> 01:14:51,400
Speaker 2: He's one of those guys that ultimately got paid and

1588
01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:55,960
Speaker 2: now has just completely fallen off. And that happens sometimes.

1589
01:14:56,040 --> 01:14:59,160
Speaker 2: And if you're looking at this cornerback room next year,

1590
01:14:59,400 --> 01:15:01,840
Speaker 2: I have no clue what how j C. Jackson is

1591
01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:02,679
Speaker 2: involved in this corner.

1592
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:05,240
Speaker 1: I can't imagine he is. No, he's been horrible. Which

1593
01:15:05,320 --> 01:15:07,960
Speaker 1: corner is still in? He just gonna we're gonna get

1594
01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:08,799
Speaker 1: ahead after the draft.

1595
01:15:09,160 --> 01:15:10,200
Speaker 2: What he got. J C.

1596
01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:13,400
Speaker 1: Jackson was another one of mine again just hasn't been good.

1597
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:16,440
Speaker 1: This was another game where that's a that's a textbook

1598
01:15:16,439 --> 01:15:17,400
Speaker 1: play you expect to make.

1599
01:15:17,439 --> 01:15:17,840
Speaker 2: He didn't.

1600
01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:21,479
Speaker 1: Ye, I feel bad about this one, but I have

1601
01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:24,000
Speaker 1: to time Montgomery's he got cut.

1602
01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:24,640
Speaker 2: I get it.

1603
01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:28,559
Speaker 1: But like they they are done with Time just bullied,

1604
01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:31,880
Speaker 1: just bullied off that play. So when I I I

1605
01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:33,800
Speaker 1: another player by that, I don't think they used right.

1606
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:37,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you know it's funny because so one of

1607
01:15:37,240 --> 01:15:40,000
Speaker 2: those like empty things I was talking about. He caught

1608
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:42,479
Speaker 2: a pass for seventeen yards in this game. He beat

1609
01:15:42,479 --> 01:15:44,519
Speaker 2: a linebacker on a little juke route and caught a

1610
01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:47,200
Speaker 2: pass for seventeen yards, which I feel like is where

1611
01:15:47,240 --> 01:15:51,360
Speaker 2: he has shown flashes is like as a rout runner

1612
01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:53,120
Speaker 2: out of the backfield, or if you can get him

1613
01:15:53,160 --> 01:15:55,880
Speaker 2: that matchup in the slot on a linebacker or something

1614
01:15:55,960 --> 01:15:58,760
Speaker 2: like that. He has shown potential there. But on top

1615
01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:01,200
Speaker 2: of allowing the block, and he also dropped the pass

1616
01:16:01,320 --> 01:16:05,680
Speaker 2: along the sideline that was catchable. But the block punt.

1617
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:08,759
Speaker 2: I don't watch the special teams take back all that often,

1618
01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:11,400
Speaker 2: but when something really bad like that happens, I watch

1619
01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:14,400
Speaker 2: it back and at first, you know, norm nine times

1620
01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:17,920
Speaker 2: out of ten when a punt gets blocked, it's because

1621
01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:20,840
Speaker 2: of some sort of assignment breakdown, right, Like you just

1622
01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:24,519
Speaker 2: don't pick up the guy properly. They had this pick

1623
01:16:24,600 --> 01:16:27,519
Speaker 2: up fine, it was a standard rush. It wasn't like

1624
01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:30,720
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh did anything super exotic or anything like that. He

1625
01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:33,040
Speaker 2: just got bullied as the wing on the on the

1626
01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:35,639
Speaker 2: end of the line, got replaced in game by Kyle

1627
01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:38,360
Speaker 2: Dugger in that role, and then gets cut the next day.

1628
01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:42,920
Speaker 2: A really tough, tough game for a time. Montgomery, who's

1629
01:16:42,920 --> 01:16:43,599
Speaker 2: your third one?

1630
01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:48,559
Speaker 1: We don't usually do this, but this was so egregious. Yeah,

1631
01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:55,000
Speaker 1: Eddie Faulkner, what Steelers offense corner At the end of

1632
01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:55,479
Speaker 1: that game.

1633
01:16:56,200 --> 01:16:58,360
Speaker 2: This is so random. You have third and two.

1634
01:16:58,720 --> 01:17:00,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is for all the people who want to

1635
01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:03,719
Speaker 1: see the Patriots tank. Frank, Yeah, yeah, third and two

1636
01:17:04,280 --> 01:17:05,599
Speaker 1: with two to oh six to go.

1637
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:07,760
Speaker 2: It's fourth and two, wasn't it. Well, No, first you

1638
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:08,320
Speaker 2: were third and.

1639
01:17:08,280 --> 01:17:11,320
Speaker 1: Two with two o six to go. The clock is

1640
01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:12,160
Speaker 1: going to stop.

1641
01:17:12,439 --> 01:17:13,040
Speaker 2: You have look.

1642
01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:15,400
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people think Naja Harris was overdrafted.

1643
01:17:15,439 --> 01:17:17,719
Speaker 1: I know people say he hasn't lived. He's a good

1644
01:17:17,800 --> 01:17:20,360
Speaker 1: power back. You need two yards, Naji Arris will get

1645
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:23,080
Speaker 1: you two yards. The clock is going to stop either way.

1646
01:17:23,240 --> 01:17:25,960
Speaker 1: You do not need to play the clock. Third and

1647
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:29,080
Speaker 1: two for midfield, and you throw it deep with mid Trubisky.

1648
01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:34,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, why why why? It always one of his downs

1649
01:17:34,200 --> 01:17:37,240
Speaker 2: gets him fired up, and it's always one the.

1650
01:17:37,160 --> 01:17:39,519
Speaker 1: Next play, Like you said, fourth and two, okay, you

1651
01:17:39,560 --> 01:17:42,240
Speaker 1: still you have to play the clock again, but you're

1652
01:17:42,280 --> 01:17:44,439
Speaker 1: at the fifty. You don't need to go that much further.

1653
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:47,000
Speaker 1: You only need a field goal that the fourth and

1654
01:17:47,040 --> 01:17:48,920
Speaker 1: two plays. Actually no, sorry they did. They still don't

1655
01:17:48,920 --> 01:17:50,120
Speaker 1: need to play clock. I had it wrong. There's two

1656
01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:53,200
Speaker 1: oh one left to go. You run the ball, right,

1657
01:17:53,400 --> 01:17:55,080
Speaker 1: you run the ball, you get the two minute warning.

1658
01:17:55,320 --> 01:17:56,839
Speaker 1: Both passes deep passes.

1659
01:17:57,040 --> 01:18:00,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, fourth and two. Just the desire of the play

1660
01:18:01,479 --> 01:18:04,400
Speaker 2: was so elementary. It was so bad. Like they so

1661
01:18:04,479 --> 01:18:06,679
Speaker 2: they had they had two go routes on the outside,

1662
01:18:06,920 --> 01:18:09,280
Speaker 2: and they had like a little underneath route. But the

1663
01:18:09,280 --> 01:18:12,559
Speaker 2: little underneath route was was it was a rinky dink round.

1664
01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:14,479
Speaker 2: But it wasn't even like it wasn't an option.

1665
01:18:14,680 --> 01:18:16,080
Speaker 1: It was just a tame And I realized I forgot

1666
01:18:16,120 --> 01:18:17,880
Speaker 1: another down, So I'll say it after this, I realized

1667
01:18:17,880 --> 01:18:19,960
Speaker 1: I skipped one. But you know how how hot and

1668
01:18:19,960 --> 01:18:22,120
Speaker 1: bothered I get about situational football. I love this kind

1669
01:18:22,160 --> 01:18:24,320
Speaker 1: of thing. Third and two, game on the line, fourth

1670
01:18:24,360 --> 01:18:27,280
Speaker 1: and game? How do you manage it? No, not like that,

1671
01:18:27,280 --> 01:18:30,320
Speaker 1: That's not how you manage it. That was something. My

1672
01:18:30,360 --> 01:18:33,680
Speaker 1: other down was the twenty twenty two second round wide

1673
01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:38,360
Speaker 1: receiver class Taekwon Thornton. And you know how you know,

1674
01:18:38,479 --> 01:18:41,080
Speaker 1: you know my take on this with like, the second

1675
01:18:41,160 --> 01:18:44,080
Speaker 1: guess is not George Pickens over Taekwon Thornton. The second

1676
01:18:44,120 --> 01:18:46,280
Speaker 1: guest is Christian Watson over Cole Strange and you get

1677
01:18:46,280 --> 01:18:49,880
Speaker 1: the guard later. Yeah, uh, neither guy showed up. Taekwan

1678
01:18:49,960 --> 01:18:53,600
Speaker 1: Thornton three catches, seventeen yards George Pickens five catches for

1679
01:18:53,720 --> 01:18:59,200
Speaker 1: nineteen yards almost an impressive lack of yards per reception.

1680
01:19:00,720 --> 01:19:04,040
Speaker 2: I mean, George Pickens is a usage like quarterback problem.

1681
01:19:04,160 --> 01:19:06,080
Speaker 1: I think more than that, it's a little more he

1682
01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:09,280
Speaker 1: he quits on someplace. Yeah, if he knows the ball

1683
01:19:09,360 --> 01:19:11,679
Speaker 1: is not coming to him, he does not play.

1684
01:19:12,200 --> 01:19:16,439
Speaker 2: That's fair. My last one was City, so just just

1685
01:19:16,479 --> 01:19:20,960
Speaker 2: because two sacks allowed is two sacks allowed? Yeah?

1686
01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:23,040
Speaker 1: How about Michael and Winder? Though having a bounce back,

1687
01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:24,120
Speaker 1: he was he was good.

1688
01:19:24,320 --> 01:19:26,320
Speaker 2: He was good. And Cole Strange was good in this

1689
01:19:26,360 --> 01:19:28,479
Speaker 2: game too. I almost had him on the up so honestly,

1690
01:19:28,520 --> 01:19:30,679
Speaker 2: because as a whole the offensive line.

1691
01:19:31,120 --> 01:19:32,080
Speaker 1: You kind of like cold Strange.

1692
01:19:32,120 --> 01:19:34,759
Speaker 2: Now, I'm I'm coming around on it. I'm coming around

1693
01:19:34,760 --> 01:19:37,000
Speaker 2: on it. Like it was never because this is the

1694
01:19:37,000 --> 01:19:39,960
Speaker 2: whole thing, Alex. The take was never about col Strange.

1695
01:19:40,439 --> 01:19:43,160
Speaker 2: The take was about taking a guard in the first

1696
01:19:43,240 --> 01:19:46,040
Speaker 2: round in a a on a rebuilding roster, right like,

1697
01:19:46,080 --> 01:19:49,920
Speaker 2: it was never about Cole specifically. And it's only been

1698
01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:52,800
Speaker 2: two games, so you know, was it three weeks ago

1699
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:56,439
Speaker 2: against the Giants? Right? Yeah, three weeks ago against the Giants.

1700
01:19:56,479 --> 01:19:58,640
Speaker 2: He was not good. It was another bad you know,

1701
01:19:58,760 --> 01:20:01,080
Speaker 2: bad game, and I think this is what happens with

1702
01:20:01,200 --> 01:20:03,439
Speaker 2: him though a little bit is that he's he rides

1703
01:20:03,439 --> 01:20:05,360
Speaker 2: the roller coaster a little bit too much and he's

1704
01:20:05,360 --> 01:20:08,040
Speaker 2: got to be consistent. But last week I didn't want

1705
01:20:08,040 --> 01:20:10,760
Speaker 2: to crown him yet because the Chargers interior defensive line

1706
01:20:10,840 --> 01:20:12,840
Speaker 2: kind of stinks, like I didn't really have any great

1707
01:20:12,840 --> 01:20:16,840
Speaker 2: players there. The Steelers do the Cam Hayward Ogunjobi like

1708
01:20:16,840 --> 01:20:20,000
Speaker 2: those guys can play allowed one hurry in this game

1709
01:20:20,160 --> 01:20:23,680
Speaker 2: was is really solid City. So it's line movement, it's

1710
01:20:23,720 --> 01:20:27,559
Speaker 2: rookie stuff, and his film on in general on the whole,

1711
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:31,840
Speaker 2: is still promising for a young player. He just has

1712
01:20:32,200 --> 01:20:35,120
Speaker 2: rookie mistakes. He has brain farts, and I'm not going

1713
01:20:35,200 --> 01:20:37,000
Speaker 2: to get on him too much for it because he's

1714
01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:41,200
Speaker 2: a first year player. But I still like the traits

1715
01:20:41,240 --> 01:20:44,200
Speaker 2: I still think are translating to the NFL level, mainly

1716
01:20:44,240 --> 01:20:46,439
Speaker 2: the play strength. I still think he's strong enough. I

1717
01:20:46,479 --> 01:20:48,840
Speaker 2: still think he's got good enough feat to play guard

1718
01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:51,599
Speaker 2: in the NFL. He's just seeing things for the first

1719
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:53,920
Speaker 2: time that he's never seen before and adjusting to the

1720
01:20:54,040 --> 01:20:56,360
Speaker 2: NFL game. So I'm not like out On City. So

1721
01:20:56,520 --> 01:20:57,720
Speaker 2: but this was a down game.

1722
01:20:57,720 --> 01:20:58,040
Speaker 4: For him.

1723
01:20:58,240 --> 01:21:01,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, Brady, and uh, I don't know where he is.

1724
01:21:02,160 --> 01:21:04,559
Speaker 2: It wants to tell me that DeVante Adams and Mike

1725
01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:07,840
Speaker 2: Evans are the same age. Uh yeah, Devontae Ams just

1726
01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:12,040
Speaker 2: better than Mike Evans, that's all. But yes, that is

1727
01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:15,439
Speaker 2: true that DeVante Adams and and Mike Evans are both

1728
01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:17,160
Speaker 2: in in the older category.

1729
01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:18,960
Speaker 1: How you even one receiver I don't want? Since I

1730
01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:20,720
Speaker 1: just said I want like every wide receiver. Somebody asked

1731
01:21:20,720 --> 01:21:22,800
Speaker 1: me about this the other day. Yeah, Cooper Cup. You

1732
01:21:22,840 --> 01:21:26,240
Speaker 1: don't want Cooper Cup's thirty two. He's been injured the

1733
01:21:26,280 --> 01:21:26,840
Speaker 1: last two years.

1734
01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:28,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, he is older because he's in college.

1735
01:21:28,280 --> 01:21:29,960
Speaker 1: I mean I would look, I would take Cooper Cup

1736
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:34,280
Speaker 1: as like to be like Adam Thielen. Yeah in Carolina,

1737
01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:37,120
Speaker 1: But who's your DJ Moore? Yeah, Cooper Cup does not

1738
01:21:37,160 --> 01:21:38,639
Speaker 1: solve all the Patriots wide receiver issues.

1739
01:21:38,680 --> 01:21:40,559
Speaker 2: That's that's fine. He would have like three years ago.

1740
01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:42,439
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, I'm not saying he was a great

1741
01:21:42,439 --> 01:21:45,240
Speaker 1: player in his prime and also like that was a

1742
01:21:45,240 --> 01:21:47,559
Speaker 1: player again and not to like do this whole thing.

1743
01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:50,160
Speaker 2: I kind of hate doing this honestly, but like how

1744
01:21:50,200 --> 01:21:53,439
Speaker 2: they didn't draft Cooper Cup is is literally beyond me,

1745
01:21:53,680 --> 01:21:57,719
Speaker 2: like he was such a prototypical Patriot, Like you didn't

1746
01:21:57,760 --> 01:22:00,639
Speaker 2: have to overdraft him at the position which they hate

1747
01:22:00,680 --> 01:22:02,439
Speaker 2: wide receivers, so you didn't have to draft him in

1748
01:22:02,439 --> 01:22:05,719
Speaker 2: the first round. He was a great router runner in college,

1749
01:22:05,840 --> 01:22:09,719
Speaker 2: huge production, Like he was exactly what the Patriots always

1750
01:22:09,720 --> 01:22:12,240
Speaker 2: go for, right, and they just missed on it.

1751
01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:14,960
Speaker 1: He did it end up with his teammate though, which

1752
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:15,679
Speaker 1: one Kendrick.

1753
01:22:15,479 --> 01:22:20,280
Speaker 2: Porn Oh all right, I hesitant to answer this call,

1754
01:22:20,280 --> 01:22:24,280
Speaker 2: but Nick, Nick, what's going on? Okay?

1755
01:22:25,320 --> 01:22:29,719
Speaker 3: Hello, Hey, I'm a little bit rusty, so I'm Matt.

1756
01:22:29,760 --> 01:22:30,840
Speaker 3: You should inform me.

1757
01:22:31,439 --> 01:22:32,200
Speaker 6: Nick baby Love.

1758
01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:33,639
Speaker 5: I don't need a nickname.

1759
01:22:35,320 --> 01:22:38,360
Speaker 2: You know who I am, Matt does I don't think

1760
01:22:38,360 --> 01:22:39,960
Speaker 2: you've ever called when I've been on the show.

1761
01:22:40,960 --> 01:22:44,040
Speaker 3: No, no, Like I said, well, I enjoyed it. All

1762
01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:47,439
Speaker 3: I want to say is, you know, very simple. You know,

1763
01:22:47,479 --> 01:22:50,840
Speaker 3: I'm old school. I know everybody, so just you can

1764
01:22:50,880 --> 01:22:54,400
Speaker 3: google Nick baby Love. But I know everybody from so

1765
01:22:54,600 --> 01:22:59,679
Speaker 3: season Fred to Paul pro whatever, and so I've enjoyed

1766
01:22:59,680 --> 01:23:02,559
Speaker 3: the show. I just haven't been about the call for

1767
01:23:02,600 --> 01:23:06,320
Speaker 3: a while. But I just want to comment about Belichick.

1768
01:23:07,320 --> 01:23:12,240
Speaker 3: I'm with him all the way. So Belichick goes. I get.

1769
01:23:12,240 --> 01:23:17,519
Speaker 3: The most followed was if anybody any Patriots, you know, figure,

1770
01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:20,719
Speaker 3: if you want to call me the leader of Patriots Nation, whatever,

1771
01:23:22,040 --> 01:23:23,680
Speaker 3: they got a problem, you know what I mean? I

1772
01:23:23,760 --> 01:23:28,280
Speaker 3: just think Belichick is in the right to finish out

1773
01:23:28,479 --> 01:23:31,679
Speaker 3: what he wants to do and leave when he wants. Anyway,

1774
01:23:31,920 --> 01:23:33,400
Speaker 3: thank you for putting.

1775
01:23:33,160 --> 01:23:35,840
Speaker 2: Me on no problem, Nick, Thanks for the call. I

1776
01:23:36,400 --> 01:23:40,720
Speaker 2: if they weren't three and ten and it wasn't like

1777
01:23:40,840 --> 01:23:43,439
Speaker 2: I agree with some of the things that he just said.

1778
01:23:43,479 --> 01:23:47,640
Speaker 2: Like I do think that like I do think that

1779
01:23:47,720 --> 01:23:50,360
Speaker 2: Belichick's earned a lot here. I do think that we

1780
01:23:50,439 --> 01:23:52,360
Speaker 2: need to treat him differently than we would treat a

1781
01:23:52,400 --> 01:23:53,200
Speaker 2: normal coach.

1782
01:23:53,520 --> 01:23:55,400
Speaker 1: So part of that current report, he said part of

1783
01:23:55,400 --> 01:23:58,080
Speaker 1: the reason he hasn't been Bill isn't fired in season

1784
01:23:58,120 --> 01:24:01,360
Speaker 1: was respect. People were mad about that. I had no

1785
01:24:01,360 --> 01:24:03,120
Speaker 1: problem with that. Now I think another part of the

1786
01:24:03,160 --> 01:24:04,880
Speaker 1: reason he wasn't fired in season is if they want

1787
01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:06,160
Speaker 1: to trade him, they have to wait till the end

1788
01:24:06,160 --> 01:24:08,559
Speaker 1: of the year. And I'll put up with a few

1789
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:09,960
Speaker 1: more games of this team if it means they get

1790
01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:15,559
Speaker 1: another top fifty draft pick. But this isn't you know,

1791
01:24:15,640 --> 01:24:17,240
Speaker 1: the Red Sox firing high and bloom. This is the

1792
01:24:17,240 --> 01:24:18,720
Speaker 1: first one that comes to mind, right right, this is

1793
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:23,240
Speaker 1: its own And I've said this word, Bill Belichick will

1794
01:24:23,240 --> 01:24:25,040
Speaker 1: never be fired. Whatever it ends up looking like, Bill

1795
01:24:25,040 --> 01:24:31,160
Speaker 1: Belichick will never be fired byways, retirement trade, yeah, at

1796
01:24:31,240 --> 01:24:32,160
Speaker 1: most to retirement.

1797
01:24:32,320 --> 01:24:36,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's tough. And you know we've talked about this

1798
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:39,400
Speaker 2: a little bit off the air, But you also have

1799
01:24:39,439 --> 01:24:44,960
Speaker 2: the Brady thing in June. There's a lot like he's

1800
01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:49,679
Speaker 2: so attached to the organization forever that how you plan

1801
01:24:50,040 --> 01:24:53,120
Speaker 2: out the I don't envy the Crafts at all about

1802
01:24:53,280 --> 01:24:56,880
Speaker 2: planning out an exit strategy here, because, oh, like the

1803
01:24:56,920 --> 01:25:00,080
Speaker 2: best case scenario, even if they didn't win again with Bill, well,

1804
01:25:00,680 --> 01:25:03,200
Speaker 2: he breaks Shula's record and then he retires at the

1805
01:25:03,280 --> 01:25:05,800
Speaker 2: end of that season and rides off into the sunsete. Right,

1806
01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:07,680
Speaker 2: that was the best case scenario. But he's going to

1807
01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:10,639
Speaker 2: need a couple more years to break Shula's record. And

1808
01:25:10,720 --> 01:25:13,320
Speaker 2: they're three and ten, like it's if they were eight

1809
01:25:13,320 --> 01:25:15,559
Speaker 2: and nine again like they were last year, And you

1810
01:25:15,640 --> 01:25:18,200
Speaker 2: wanted to make the argument that that Nick just made

1811
01:25:18,200 --> 01:25:20,120
Speaker 2: that we should just hang on to him and let

1812
01:25:20,200 --> 01:25:22,640
Speaker 2: him play out the string. He'll break school's record and

1813
01:25:22,680 --> 01:25:25,800
Speaker 2: then in two years and then we'll move on. I

1814
01:25:25,960 --> 01:25:28,760
Speaker 2: guess like I could feel that just because of who

1815
01:25:28,760 --> 01:25:30,920
Speaker 2: he is, right and just because he's Bill Belichick and

1816
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:33,400
Speaker 2: he's won six Super Bowls with this organization and he

1817
01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:35,720
Speaker 2: is going to be tied to this organization for the

1818
01:25:35,760 --> 01:25:40,400
Speaker 2: rest of the time. But at the same time, it's

1819
01:25:40,439 --> 01:25:42,240
Speaker 2: a from what have you done for me lately?

1820
01:25:42,360 --> 01:25:42,639
Speaker 1: World?

1821
01:25:43,200 --> 01:25:46,639
Speaker 2: It just is it's really cool. It really is tough.

1822
01:25:47,439 --> 01:25:51,080
Speaker 2: All right, excuse me, Let's talk a little bit about

1823
01:25:51,080 --> 01:25:53,000
Speaker 2: the Chiefs. I mean, we have a couple more calls,

1824
01:25:53,040 --> 01:25:56,280
Speaker 2: but let's talk the calls. Have one more call, he

1825
01:25:56,360 --> 01:25:58,439
Speaker 2: just called it. That's fine. Let's talk a little bit

1826
01:25:58,439 --> 01:26:01,360
Speaker 2: about the Chiefs and uh in this game on Sunday.

1827
01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:04,400
Speaker 2: And I'm gonna try really hard to not drop any

1828
01:26:04,439 --> 01:26:07,120
Speaker 2: Taylor Swift references to send you into a frenzy. I'm not,

1829
01:26:07,320 --> 01:26:09,679
Speaker 2: but uh, the Chiefs are trying to shake it off

1830
01:26:10,080 --> 01:26:10,479
Speaker 2: this week.

1831
01:26:10,520 --> 01:26:12,439
Speaker 1: That's how you feel listening to me talk all the time,

1832
01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:13,519
Speaker 1: because I understand that.

1833
01:26:14,680 --> 01:26:18,720
Speaker 2: I was the only one. Why just really quickly, like

1834
01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:21,360
Speaker 2: why why does this? Why does this grind your gears

1835
01:26:21,360 --> 01:26:25,280
Speaker 2: so much? Like because you won't have fun about not

1836
01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:28,760
Speaker 2: about me, but like in general, this, this whole thing

1837
01:26:28,960 --> 01:26:31,120
Speaker 2: grinds your gears in general. It's not just a mean thing.

1838
01:26:31,240 --> 01:26:33,920
Speaker 1: Because I everything that's fun throughout the year, I have

1839
01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:35,920
Speaker 1: to hear you complain about and now we get to

1840
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:39,160
Speaker 1: this and suddenly you're You're like, let's have a good

1841
01:26:39,160 --> 01:26:41,840
Speaker 1: time with that. That's that's not I don't care if

1842
01:26:41,840 --> 01:26:43,720
Speaker 1: people want to talk about Taylor sw that's here that

1843
01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:45,080
Speaker 1: you want to talk about Taylor.

1844
01:26:45,160 --> 01:26:47,920
Speaker 2: Yesterday at Bailey Zappies press conference, you were in a

1845
01:26:47,960 --> 01:26:48,800
Speaker 2: tip about it and I had.

1846
01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:51,280
Speaker 1: I was not tiff about it. That's not true.

1847
01:26:51,400 --> 01:26:54,080
Speaker 2: Texted means that this week is gonna stink when he's

1848
01:26:54,600 --> 01:26:56,479
Speaker 2: it was a little bit much with Bailey. You need

1849
01:26:56,479 --> 01:26:56,960
Speaker 2: to calm down.

1850
01:26:57,000 --> 01:27:00,840
Speaker 1: He was, he was, Bill said the other day he was.

1851
01:27:00,880 --> 01:27:02,440
Speaker 2: Bill O'Brien was more uncomfortable.

1852
01:27:02,439 --> 01:27:04,880
Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien was very uncomfortable. But so now all of

1853
01:27:04,920 --> 01:27:06,320
Speaker 1: a sudden, you want to have fun, you won't have

1854
01:27:06,360 --> 01:27:07,439
Speaker 1: fun with any of the other stuff.

1855
01:27:07,479 --> 01:27:08,080
Speaker 2: I'm a Swifty.

1856
01:27:08,280 --> 01:27:11,080
Speaker 1: For every Taylor Swift reference you make, you should have

1857
01:27:11,120 --> 01:27:12,760
Speaker 1: to watch a play of Lake Korum tape.

1858
01:27:13,040 --> 01:27:16,400
Speaker 2: I'm a Swift. Do you know this? You know you know.

1859
01:27:16,400 --> 01:27:18,840
Speaker 1: I'm a college football fan. That's fine, and that's fine,

1860
01:27:19,320 --> 01:27:22,360
Speaker 1: but I like, okay, remember when she performed here over

1861
01:27:22,360 --> 01:27:25,719
Speaker 1: the summer, you had us do our top Taylor Swift songs,

1862
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:28,479
Speaker 1: and I said, ready for it because there's the ESPN

1863
01:27:28,520 --> 01:27:30,920
Speaker 1: college football theme in twenty nineteen. You could not have

1864
01:27:30,960 --> 01:27:32,040
Speaker 1: been more annoyed by that answer.

1865
01:27:32,120 --> 01:27:33,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a terrible answer.

1866
01:27:34,080 --> 01:27:35,120
Speaker 1: How's this any different?

1867
01:27:35,160 --> 01:27:38,439
Speaker 2: Because a combination of the reason behind it and also

1868
01:27:38,520 --> 01:27:42,320
Speaker 2: ready for it is like not even the top ten good?

1869
01:27:42,360 --> 01:27:43,000
Speaker 1: It is a good song?

1870
01:27:43,080 --> 01:27:44,240
Speaker 2: Are you ready for this game? Though?

1871
01:27:45,320 --> 01:27:46,439
Speaker 1: Yeah? I guess all right.

1872
01:27:46,520 --> 01:27:46,960
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1873
01:27:47,160 --> 01:27:51,559
Speaker 1: This is annoying. I know I'm uncomfortable. There's a certain

1874
01:27:51,920 --> 01:27:53,920
Speaker 1: there's a certain order to the universe, and I feel

1875
01:27:53,960 --> 01:27:56,120
Speaker 1: like it's been broken by you suddenly having all this fun.

1876
01:27:56,160 --> 01:27:58,600
Speaker 2: I'm uncomfortable. You're very delicate about this right now. No,

1877
01:27:58,720 --> 01:27:59,320
Speaker 2: I don't like you.

1878
01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:02,080
Speaker 1: Nervous that you're it's making me nervous how much fun

1879
01:28:02,120 --> 01:28:02,479
Speaker 1: you're having.

1880
01:28:02,520 --> 01:28:04,880
Speaker 2: I don't know what to do with this. I mean,

1881
01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:07,320
Speaker 2: at some point, like at three and ten, you gotta

1882
01:28:07,520 --> 01:28:10,559
Speaker 2: like find some some happiness and fun and something.

1883
01:28:10,680 --> 01:28:13,439
Speaker 1: Apparently I've been trying to do that for months and

1884
01:28:13,479 --> 01:28:14,559
Speaker 1: you've had none of it.

1885
01:28:15,200 --> 01:28:17,120
Speaker 2: Oh man, Well, you thought.

1886
01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:18,799
Speaker 1: It was too much that I picked the Steelers offensive

1887
01:28:18,840 --> 01:28:20,960
Speaker 1: coordinator for a down that was too far off the tracks.

1888
01:28:21,200 --> 01:28:22,840
Speaker 1: It was a little off the tracks, but this is

1889
01:28:22,880 --> 01:28:26,320
Speaker 1: like whatever, Yeah, I just stay on your side. I'm

1890
01:28:26,360 --> 01:28:30,960
Speaker 1: uncomfortable another song. Okay, I'm uncomfortable.

1891
01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:35,640
Speaker 2: So we're not We're gonna move on. For there's so

1892
01:28:35,760 --> 01:28:40,479
Speaker 2: many people in our YouTube comments to our show yesterday,

1893
01:28:40,520 --> 01:28:44,160
Speaker 2: of our PU show yesterday so annoyed that we would

1894
01:28:44,200 --> 01:28:48,040
Speaker 2: even utter the name Taylor Swift on the show, just

1895
01:28:48,120 --> 01:28:51,080
Speaker 2: like why are you talking about or nobody cares? Okay,

1896
01:28:51,200 --> 01:28:54,280
Speaker 2: so you really care about this game on Sunday, she's

1897
01:28:54,360 --> 01:28:57,120
Speaker 2: ringing the bell that I don't know, okay, but they're

1898
01:28:57,120 --> 01:28:59,080
Speaker 2: not gonna like she's she's not gonna I know she's

1899
01:28:59,120 --> 01:29:00,880
Speaker 2: not gonna ring the bell, but like it's coming as

1900
01:29:00,880 --> 01:29:02,479
Speaker 2: a representative of the Kansas City Chiefs.

1901
01:29:02,600 --> 01:29:04,120
Speaker 1: So that's what I'm wondering if they because like when

1902
01:29:04,160 --> 01:29:06,320
Speaker 1: they play like bon Jovi, right, they show me up there,

1903
01:29:06,360 --> 01:29:08,599
Speaker 1: Like are they going to show her and she's gonna

1904
01:29:08,600 --> 01:29:11,320
Speaker 1: be like Chiefs because they're gonna play her song if

1905
01:29:11,360 --> 01:29:12,240
Speaker 1: she's here, right imagine I.

1906
01:29:12,240 --> 01:29:14,080
Speaker 2: Would think so, I mean, they probably play her song

1907
01:29:14,200 --> 01:29:14,799
Speaker 2: like a song.

1908
01:29:14,640 --> 01:29:17,160
Speaker 1: They usually play Taylor Swift anyway, Yeah, Army.

1909
01:29:17,080 --> 01:29:19,559
Speaker 2: Navy at some point getting into this game.

1910
01:29:19,600 --> 01:29:21,280
Speaker 1: You missed a good time at Army Navy, by the way,

1911
01:29:21,640 --> 01:29:22,080
Speaker 1: did I?

1912
01:29:22,320 --> 01:29:22,599
Speaker 2: Yes?

1913
01:29:22,760 --> 01:29:24,080
Speaker 1: Oh my god, yes you did.

1914
01:29:25,040 --> 01:29:25,320
Speaker 2: All right?

1915
01:29:25,360 --> 01:29:28,599
Speaker 1: I just needed that I need I needed that reaction

1916
01:29:28,680 --> 01:29:32,280
Speaker 1: to just restore some balance. Uh.

1917
01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:36,840
Speaker 2: Talking about this game a little bit, clearly two things. One,

1918
01:29:37,400 --> 01:29:41,320
Speaker 2: it clearly behooves the Patriots to lose, Like, let's be honest,

1919
01:29:41,800 --> 01:29:46,040
Speaker 2: they shouldn't be going on some sort of winning streak

1920
01:29:46,240 --> 01:29:48,439
Speaker 2: to end this season. Well, they shouldn't.

1921
01:29:48,520 --> 01:29:51,640
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm not saying they should. I don't want the

1922
01:29:51,680 --> 01:29:54,679
Speaker 1: players and the coaches thinking that way. No, because if

1923
01:29:54,960 --> 01:29:57,360
Speaker 1: that players won't because they have to put good film out.

1924
01:29:57,760 --> 01:30:00,000
Speaker 1: You know, that's you don't want losing to be habitual.

1925
01:30:00,240 --> 01:30:02,160
Speaker 1: I can sit here and fully say that, yes, for

1926
01:30:02,240 --> 01:30:05,400
Speaker 1: draft positioning, they should lose, But you start letting that

1927
01:30:05,439 --> 01:30:06,960
Speaker 1: culture get in the locker room all of a sudden,

1928
01:30:06,960 --> 01:30:08,880
Speaker 1: it's twenty years later, it's never gotten out. That's happened

1929
01:30:08,920 --> 01:30:11,479
Speaker 1: to many a franchise. So let me just say that Browns.

1930
01:30:11,720 --> 01:30:15,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, no's that's totally fair. But the second thing that

1931
01:30:15,680 --> 01:30:18,760
Speaker 2: I wanted to say is I am interested in this

1932
01:30:18,880 --> 01:30:22,040
Speaker 2: game from a Chiefs angle a little bit. You know,

1933
01:30:22,160 --> 01:30:26,000
Speaker 2: the bigger national story besides Taylor Swift, The bigger national

1934
01:30:26,040 --> 01:30:29,880
Speaker 2: story here is are are the Chiefs even a Super

1935
01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:30,519
Speaker 2: Bowl contender?

1936
01:30:30,680 --> 01:30:30,800
Speaker 1: Right?

1937
01:30:30,880 --> 01:30:33,040
Speaker 2: Like? You know? And they are because of Patrick Mahomes

1938
01:30:33,080 --> 01:30:37,400
Speaker 2: and Andy Reid. But like the Chiefs and their slump

1939
01:30:37,560 --> 01:30:39,439
Speaker 2: that they're in right now, they've lost three out of four.

1940
01:30:39,479 --> 01:30:41,800
Speaker 2: They've lost back to back games, and one of them

1941
01:30:41,880 --> 01:30:43,680
Speaker 2: was to the Packers, who are an okay team, but

1942
01:30:43,720 --> 01:30:45,040
Speaker 2: it's not like they're a great team. And one of

1943
01:30:45,080 --> 01:30:47,720
Speaker 2: them was to Buffalo, who is not a very good team.

1944
01:30:47,760 --> 01:30:49,280
Speaker 2: Yeah right, I'm just gonna say it, not a very

1945
01:30:49,320 --> 01:30:53,880
Speaker 2: good team. So what's going on with Kansas City is

1946
01:30:53,880 --> 01:30:56,400
Speaker 2: the national story in this game? For sure.

1947
01:30:56,439 --> 01:30:58,960
Speaker 1: They got a little touch of the Patriots offense going on.

1948
01:30:59,400 --> 01:31:04,000
Speaker 2: They have they have what I would say offensively is predictability,

1949
01:31:04,400 --> 01:31:07,280
Speaker 2: Like there they don't have a whole lot in their

1950
01:31:07,320 --> 01:31:12,160
Speaker 2: bag right now that they execute well and situationally, they're

1951
01:31:12,280 --> 01:31:15,439
Speaker 2: very predictable, like first down is an RPO down, second

1952
01:31:15,439 --> 01:31:17,559
Speaker 2: down is a shot played down, third down is you know,

1953
01:31:17,600 --> 01:31:21,000
Speaker 2: they have situational concepts to Kelsey, like they're very very

1954
01:31:21,040 --> 01:31:24,920
Speaker 2: predictable on all three downs. They're you know, and teams

1955
01:31:24,960 --> 01:31:27,519
Speaker 2: like I thought, you know, watch back the Green Bay

1956
01:31:27,560 --> 01:31:30,439
Speaker 2: game and the Buffalo game. The Green Bay game, Joe

1957
01:31:30,760 --> 01:31:33,360
Speaker 2: Barry their defensive coordinator who's under a lot of fire

1958
01:31:33,520 --> 01:31:37,479
Speaker 2: like not having a great year honestly, and he just

1959
01:31:37,640 --> 01:31:41,439
Speaker 2: had the button to push in every situation against them,

1960
01:31:41,680 --> 01:31:45,840
Speaker 2: because they just do what they do situationally. And not

1961
01:31:45,920 --> 01:31:49,200
Speaker 2: only do I think it's a combination certainly of everybody

1962
01:31:49,520 --> 01:31:52,360
Speaker 2: but Kelsey on that team is Yeah, Rashie Rice I

1963
01:31:52,400 --> 01:31:56,200
Speaker 2: think is a promising rookie, but he's a long way

1964
01:31:56,240 --> 01:31:58,640
Speaker 2: to go. Skymore has been kind of a disaster of

1965
01:31:58,680 --> 01:32:01,880
Speaker 2: a pick. You know, a lot of Harris Tony, Yeaharius

1966
01:32:01,880 --> 01:32:04,200
Speaker 2: Tony has been a disaster, not just a disaster of

1967
01:32:04,240 --> 01:32:06,800
Speaker 2: a pick, but just a disaster. And a lot of

1968
01:32:06,840 --> 01:32:10,439
Speaker 2: those things I think are are are contributing. I also

1969
01:32:10,560 --> 01:32:14,639
Speaker 2: wonder how much you know, is Eric b enemy not.

1970
01:32:14,640 --> 01:32:17,439
Speaker 1: Being they miss Eric Enemy a lot.

1971
01:32:17,560 --> 01:32:19,400
Speaker 2: I think they do. I think they do as well.

1972
01:32:19,760 --> 01:32:21,800
Speaker 1: You know, we talk a lot about these quarterbacks missing

1973
01:32:21,800 --> 01:32:24,160
Speaker 1: their offensive coordinators. Patrick Mahomes is not immune to it.

1974
01:32:24,479 --> 01:32:27,960
Speaker 2: No, I mean, obviously, I think Andy Reid is probably

1975
01:32:28,000 --> 01:32:29,759
Speaker 2: the best offensive architect.

1976
01:32:30,040 --> 01:32:32,680
Speaker 1: Maybe even for a team with an offensive coach like

1977
01:32:32,760 --> 01:32:35,839
Speaker 1: Andy Reid using the offensive coordinator tough on the quarterback,

1978
01:32:35,880 --> 01:32:36,599
Speaker 1: tough on the offense.

1979
01:32:36,640 --> 01:32:40,960
Speaker 2: I just think that the enemy was a combination of

1980
01:32:41,120 --> 01:32:43,200
Speaker 2: I think what and this is sort of what I

1981
01:32:43,360 --> 01:32:46,720
Speaker 2: envy about the Chiefs and envy about Andy Reid with

1982
01:32:46,920 --> 01:32:51,320
Speaker 2: just looking at his style and versus Bills. Andy Reid's

1983
01:32:51,320 --> 01:32:55,120
Speaker 2: got Spags coaching the defense. Who's awesome. Steve Spagnolo, their

1984
01:32:55,160 --> 01:32:58,960
Speaker 2: defensive coordinator is is is a great, great coach. He's

1985
01:32:58,960 --> 01:33:01,600
Speaker 2: got the defense and they're really good on defense. And

1986
01:33:01,640 --> 01:33:04,640
Speaker 2: we can talk about that a little bit offensively. The

1987
01:33:04,720 --> 01:33:07,520
Speaker 2: last couple of years he's had the enemy and basically

1988
01:33:07,560 --> 01:33:10,920
Speaker 2: all Andy Reid has had to do is like just

1989
01:33:11,120 --> 01:33:15,200
Speaker 2: mess around, like literally like he just came up with

1990
01:33:15,360 --> 01:33:17,880
Speaker 2: cool stuff. That's all he would do is come up

1991
01:33:17,920 --> 01:33:22,200
Speaker 2: with cool offensive schemes to just run a bunch of

1992
01:33:22,240 --> 01:33:24,479
Speaker 2: cool stuff. Like remember the thing like where they would

1993
01:33:24,520 --> 01:33:26,120
Speaker 2: do the huddle and they would like do the ring

1994
01:33:26,160 --> 01:33:27,840
Speaker 2: around the rosy thing in the huddle and then they

1995
01:33:27,840 --> 01:33:30,400
Speaker 2: break the huddle and no one would know who anywhere,

1996
01:33:30,560 --> 01:33:33,040
Speaker 2: anywhere anyone was, and then they'd snap the ball like

1997
01:33:33,040 --> 01:33:34,880
Speaker 2: any he would just come up with a bunch of

1998
01:33:34,880 --> 01:33:39,600
Speaker 2: garbage like cool stuff, and now I feel like he

1999
01:33:39,640 --> 01:33:41,880
Speaker 2: has to actually coach again, Like he's not able to

2000
01:33:41,920 --> 01:33:45,360
Speaker 2: just kind of, you know, come in with his hamburger

2001
01:33:45,439 --> 01:33:47,320
Speaker 2: and just kind of, you know, jump in and be like,

2002
01:33:47,360 --> 01:33:49,519
Speaker 2: all right, well, like I drew this up on the

2003
01:33:49,520 --> 01:33:51,479
Speaker 2: whiteboard last night. I think it's kind of cool. Maybe

2004
01:33:51,479 --> 01:33:53,960
Speaker 2: we can put it in this week. Like he's actually

2005
01:33:54,040 --> 01:33:57,120
Speaker 2: coordinating the offense again for the large part, and I

2006
01:33:57,120 --> 01:34:00,760
Speaker 2: think that that's a big difference. And you know, I

2007
01:34:00,800 --> 01:34:05,160
Speaker 2: remember with him just I think he really kind of

2008
01:34:05,160 --> 01:34:07,840
Speaker 2: took a back seat to a lot of like the

2009
01:34:08,439 --> 01:34:11,120
Speaker 2: day to day in the trenches type of coaching because

2010
01:34:11,120 --> 01:34:13,679
Speaker 2: of how much he trusted his coordinators to do those

2011
01:34:13,720 --> 01:34:16,719
Speaker 2: types of things. So I do think that their coaching

2012
01:34:16,760 --> 01:34:19,160
Speaker 2: has taken a hit. They're obviously they're receiving talent has

2013
01:34:19,200 --> 01:34:24,320
Speaker 2: taken a hit, But outside of Travis Kelcey and Patrick

2014
01:34:24,360 --> 01:34:29,280
Speaker 2: Mahomes doing the magic Mahomes magic stuff on extended plays

2015
01:34:29,280 --> 01:34:32,800
Speaker 2: and things like that, they don't have a ton of

2016
01:34:32,800 --> 01:34:36,559
Speaker 2: offense right now. And it definitely reminds me a ton

2017
01:34:36,600 --> 01:34:40,559
Speaker 2: of some down years for the Patriots. You know, you

2018
01:34:40,560 --> 01:34:42,680
Speaker 2: can go back all the way to six, you know,

2019
01:34:42,760 --> 01:34:47,519
Speaker 2: twenty thirteen, twenty nineteen, like those teams that still had Brady,

2020
01:34:47,560 --> 01:34:50,240
Speaker 2: so they still had like a baseline of like playoffs

2021
01:34:50,280 --> 01:34:54,080
Speaker 2: and they are not going to suck, but they didn't

2022
01:34:54,120 --> 01:34:56,840
Speaker 2: have the talent around Brady on offense for them to

2023
01:34:56,880 --> 01:34:58,880
Speaker 2: win the Super Bowl. And I think that Kansas City

2024
01:34:58,960 --> 01:35:01,640
Speaker 2: might fall in the same categor right now. The caveat

2025
01:35:01,720 --> 01:35:04,519
Speaker 2: is they could be the twenty eighteen Patriots, right like

2026
01:35:04,560 --> 01:35:06,200
Speaker 2: they could all of a sudden just flip a switch

2027
01:35:06,200 --> 01:35:08,360
Speaker 2: in the playoffs and go on and run again. But

2028
01:35:08,400 --> 01:35:10,800
Speaker 2: I almost think that that was like them last year,

2029
01:35:11,520 --> 01:35:13,840
Speaker 2: you know, like that they did that last year. I

2030
01:35:13,880 --> 01:35:15,360
Speaker 2: don't know if they have that in them two years

2031
01:35:15,360 --> 01:35:19,960
Speaker 2: in a row. Last point, I'm curious what you think.

2032
01:35:20,640 --> 01:35:23,360
Speaker 2: Isaiah Pachecko is kind of like a really important player

2033
01:35:23,360 --> 01:35:23,679
Speaker 2: for them.

2034
01:35:23,800 --> 01:35:26,479
Speaker 1: I you know how much I like Isaiah Pachecko. That

2035
01:35:26,680 --> 01:35:29,760
Speaker 1: was the guy for me. I wanted him to be

2036
01:35:29,800 --> 01:35:32,120
Speaker 1: the next James White here. I wanted him so bad

2037
01:35:32,160 --> 01:35:35,320
Speaker 1: in that draft. He's a very important player. He's a

2038
01:35:35,520 --> 01:35:38,479
Speaker 1: very good player. Yeah, And if they don't, you said,

2039
01:35:38,520 --> 01:35:41,240
Speaker 1: you know, short of Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelsey doing

2040
01:35:41,240 --> 01:35:44,640
Speaker 1: the magic I think the Chiefs could beat the Patriots

2041
01:35:44,680 --> 01:35:47,439
Speaker 1: with Isaiah Pachecko if like Travis Kelsey's locked up and

2042
01:35:47,479 --> 01:35:50,360
Speaker 1: the Patriots say, fine, beat us throwing to Isaiah Pachecko. Ye,

2043
01:35:50,880 --> 01:35:52,720
Speaker 1: I think mahomes of Pacheco could do it. Yeah, but

2044
01:35:52,800 --> 01:35:55,120
Speaker 1: without check and he didn't practice yesterday, so we'll see

2045
01:35:55,120 --> 01:35:56,479
Speaker 1: where he's at and he.

2046
01:35:56,400 --> 01:35:57,439
Speaker 2: Didn't play last week.

2047
01:35:57,520 --> 01:36:01,840
Speaker 1: Right, it changes a lot without him. I truly believe that.

2048
01:36:02,200 --> 01:36:06,120
Speaker 2: It does, because with him, they're not a great running team,

2049
01:36:06,160 --> 01:36:08,040
Speaker 2: but he's a pretty good runner and they can run

2050
01:36:08,080 --> 01:36:09,720
Speaker 2: the ball a little bit and then they can throw

2051
01:36:09,760 --> 01:36:12,479
Speaker 2: it to him out of the backfield too. Uh. Just

2052
01:36:12,520 --> 01:36:16,160
Speaker 2: from a production standpoint, I have him on my fantasy team,

2053
01:36:16,160 --> 01:36:17,680
Speaker 2: so I know he's had a great year, Like from

2054
01:36:17,720 --> 01:36:21,320
Speaker 2: a production standpoint, and he's on film. You know, he's fast,

2055
01:36:21,600 --> 01:36:25,320
Speaker 2: runs physical, runs hard. You know, he's a good player.

2056
01:36:25,680 --> 01:36:28,080
Speaker 2: And I think that that's been a big loss for

2057
01:36:28,160 --> 01:36:30,040
Speaker 2: him the last couple of weeks. He hasn't played in

2058
01:36:30,080 --> 01:36:31,760
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks, and I think that's a big

2059
01:36:31,800 --> 01:36:37,000
Speaker 2: loss for him. Where do you stand? I guess on

2060
01:36:37,040 --> 01:36:39,639
Speaker 2: the on the Chiefs now and uh in this game,

2061
01:36:39,680 --> 01:36:42,040
Speaker 2: because I when I look at this game, for the Patriots,

2062
01:36:42,439 --> 01:36:44,360
Speaker 2: and I look at the state of the Chiefs, I

2063
01:36:44,760 --> 01:36:47,920
Speaker 2: do think that there's a chance, uh not that the

2064
01:36:47,920 --> 01:36:50,479
Speaker 2: Patriots win, Like I'm not picking them to win, but

2065
01:36:51,080 --> 01:36:53,640
Speaker 2: there is a chance. And I also would say that

2066
01:36:54,400 --> 01:36:57,360
Speaker 2: I am expecting the Patriots to be competitive in this game.

2067
01:36:57,400 --> 01:36:59,799
Speaker 2: Like I don't think the Chiefs are in a firing

2068
01:36:59,840 --> 01:37:02,479
Speaker 2: at all cylinders mode right now where they should be

2069
01:37:02,560 --> 01:37:05,280
Speaker 2: running away from you and winning this game by three touchdowns,

2070
01:37:05,280 --> 01:37:07,400
Speaker 2: like they are just not playing that kind of football

2071
01:37:07,720 --> 01:37:09,839
Speaker 2: at this moment in time. So I think the Patriots

2072
01:37:09,840 --> 01:37:11,920
Speaker 2: should be able to hang in there on Sunday against

2073
01:37:11,960 --> 01:37:12,320
Speaker 2: the chief I.

2074
01:37:12,320 --> 01:37:14,400
Speaker 1: Think it's gonna be close. And you know, they always

2075
01:37:14,400 --> 01:37:16,439
Speaker 1: played the Chiefs well. The last time these teams played,

2076
01:37:16,439 --> 01:37:18,559
Speaker 1: it's crazy it's been this long, was the Cam Newton

2077
01:37:18,560 --> 01:37:21,160
Speaker 1: COVID a COVID game ye with. They went in on

2078
01:37:21,200 --> 01:37:24,000
Speaker 1: a Tuesday night with essentially a day of prep with

2079
01:37:24,120 --> 01:37:28,240
Speaker 1: Jared's Didnaman, Brian Hoyer and throwing in Nikhil Harry And

2080
01:37:28,280 --> 01:37:30,240
Speaker 1: that thing was close until the fourth quarter. Chiefs kind

2081
01:37:30,240 --> 01:37:34,360
Speaker 1: of pulled away late, but for forty five fifty minutes,

2082
01:37:34,400 --> 01:37:35,679
Speaker 1: that was a close football game.

2083
01:37:35,760 --> 01:37:38,040
Speaker 2: And you know, Brian Hornan throws the pick at the

2084
01:37:38,120 --> 01:37:39,680
Speaker 2: end of the half, right, like if it doesn't throw.

2085
01:37:39,800 --> 01:37:42,000
Speaker 1: No, it wasn't that he took a sack. The one

2086
01:37:42,000 --> 01:37:43,600
Speaker 1: thing he couldn't do with the clock run there to

2087
01:37:43,680 --> 01:37:47,000
Speaker 1: kick a field goal tie it. And yeah, and that

2088
01:37:47,040 --> 01:37:49,080
Speaker 1: was when they had Tyreek Hill. Yeah, and we haven't

2089
01:37:49,120 --> 01:37:52,240
Speaker 1: seen the Patriots have always had defensively, have always.

2090
01:37:52,000 --> 01:37:53,360
Speaker 2: Had a very good plan for Mahomes.

2091
01:37:53,439 --> 01:37:55,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's that much easier now without Tye. Their plan

2092
01:37:56,120 --> 01:37:58,519
Speaker 1: used to be takeaway Tyreek Hill to make Mahomes win

2093
01:37:58,560 --> 01:38:00,439
Speaker 1: with Kelsey, and they couldn't do it well. So now

2094
01:38:00,479 --> 01:38:02,040
Speaker 1: the Chiefs have taken away Tyreek Hill.

2095
01:38:02,120 --> 01:38:04,559
Speaker 2: It didn't start that way. Tyreek Hill first like three

2096
01:38:04,600 --> 01:38:07,080
Speaker 2: games well, because that at that first game, it was

2097
01:38:07,160 --> 01:38:11,240
Speaker 2: the twenty seventeen opener. Yeah, and he that was Tyreek

2098
01:38:11,360 --> 01:38:14,880
Speaker 2: Hill's coming out, was Alex Smith, right, Mahomes right. And

2099
01:38:14,920 --> 01:38:19,160
Speaker 2: then they played the game here the regular season game

2100
01:38:19,200 --> 01:38:20,160
Speaker 2: in twenty.

2101
01:38:19,760 --> 01:38:21,400
Speaker 1: Eighteen, right, and Hill had a big game. He had

2102
01:38:21,439 --> 01:38:23,960
Speaker 1: three touchdowns over one and fifty yards. That was the

2103
01:38:23,960 --> 01:38:25,040
Speaker 1: game he got the beer dumped on them.

2104
01:38:25,080 --> 01:38:27,080
Speaker 2: And then when they went to the AFC Championship game,

2105
01:38:27,400 --> 01:38:29,839
Speaker 2: they they doubled him like half the time, and they

2106
01:38:30,200 --> 01:38:33,000
Speaker 2: that that was the po that then shifted until we

2107
01:38:33,040 --> 01:38:33,559
Speaker 2: need to take it.

2108
01:38:33,560 --> 01:38:35,280
Speaker 1: And now he's and now he's not there. So no,

2109
01:38:35,400 --> 01:38:37,080
Speaker 1: I do think it's going to be close. I do

2110
01:38:37,120 --> 01:38:41,559
Speaker 1: think there's going to be a close game unless you

2111
01:38:41,800 --> 01:38:46,720
Speaker 1: just get pissed off f the world. You know, Mahomes,

2112
01:38:46,760 --> 01:38:49,559
Speaker 1: the Chiefs get the Patriots. That thing the Patriots used

2113
01:38:49,600 --> 01:38:50,880
Speaker 1: to get late in the year, and you talked about

2114
01:38:50,920 --> 01:38:53,120
Speaker 1: some of the years where they weren't talented. It would

2115
01:38:53,160 --> 01:38:55,640
Speaker 1: get to the point where their lack of talent would just,

2116
01:38:56,240 --> 01:38:58,559
Speaker 1: for lack of a better word, motivate them to be better. Yeah,

2117
01:38:58,760 --> 01:39:01,640
Speaker 1: even in twenty eighteen, Rember Brady does that interview on

2118
01:39:01,680 --> 01:39:03,960
Speaker 1: the sideline after the Chargers game, everybody thinks we suck,

2119
01:39:04,320 --> 01:39:06,320
Speaker 1: And then he came out the next week and probably

2120
01:39:06,320 --> 01:39:08,240
Speaker 1: played one of the best games of his career against

2121
01:39:08,240 --> 01:39:11,439
Speaker 1: the Chiefs. Does the way last week ended and the

2122
01:39:11,439 --> 01:39:14,160
Speaker 1: way the last few weeks have gone, I think last

2123
01:39:14,160 --> 01:39:15,719
Speaker 1: week may have been a bit of a breaking point

2124
01:39:16,160 --> 01:39:17,240
Speaker 1: for Patrick Mahomes.

2125
01:39:17,360 --> 01:39:19,600
Speaker 2: The question is is offensively do they have enough to

2126
01:39:19,640 --> 01:39:21,960
Speaker 2: even have like to make that match? So the thing

2127
01:39:22,080 --> 01:39:22,479
Speaker 2: is with.

2128
01:39:22,400 --> 01:39:25,080
Speaker 1: Mahomes, how does Patrick Mahomes handle it, and this is

2129
01:39:25,120 --> 01:39:27,000
Speaker 1: the first time he's really been in this spot. Does

2130
01:39:27,040 --> 01:39:29,639
Speaker 1: he take the Tom Brady approach and say if these

2131
01:39:29,680 --> 01:39:33,240
Speaker 1: guys aren't because I truly believe And there's really no

2132
01:39:33,360 --> 01:39:35,360
Speaker 1: film way to back this up, there's no tangible way

2133
01:39:35,400 --> 01:39:37,680
Speaker 1: to back this up. But weren't there times where it

2134
01:39:37,760 --> 01:39:41,040
Speaker 1: just felt like Tom Brady would essentially say, even if

2135
01:39:41,040 --> 01:39:43,400
Speaker 1: these guys aren't good enough, I'll make them good enough.

2136
01:39:44,040 --> 01:39:46,120
Speaker 1: I'll just be that good that the players.

2137
01:39:45,800 --> 01:39:49,360
Speaker 2: Around me in winning Drive right is always the one

2138
01:39:49,560 --> 01:39:50,479
Speaker 2: what you can point to with.

2139
01:39:50,479 --> 01:39:53,439
Speaker 1: That, all those chiefs fans want to compare Patrick Mahomes

2140
01:39:53,520 --> 01:39:56,280
Speaker 1: Tom Brady, so the one can can Can Patrick Mahomes

2141
01:39:56,320 --> 01:39:57,800
Speaker 1: get to the point where he says, you know what,

2142
01:39:58,400 --> 01:40:01,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make Kadarius Tony. I'm gonna make MVS good.

2143
01:40:01,920 --> 01:40:04,439
Speaker 1: I don't care, I don't care how bad these guys are.

2144
01:40:04,479 --> 01:40:06,920
Speaker 2: I'm gonna throw right.

2145
01:40:07,560 --> 01:40:09,760
Speaker 1: Can he do that? And if you get that, if

2146
01:40:09,800 --> 01:40:12,240
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes does have that, and I don't think he

2147
01:40:12,280 --> 01:40:15,120
Speaker 1: does because nobody besides Brady's ever had that gear, but

2148
01:40:15,240 --> 01:40:17,280
Speaker 1: if anybody's gonna have it right now, Mahomes as good

2149
01:40:17,280 --> 01:40:20,200
Speaker 1: a bed as anybody. If Mahomes has that gear. Lookout,

2150
01:40:20,520 --> 01:40:22,559
Speaker 1: we're gonna find out this week because it's now or never.

2151
01:40:22,720 --> 01:40:25,880
Speaker 2: So with Mahomes, what I think is interesting with him.

2152
01:40:26,800 --> 01:40:28,960
Speaker 2: I think one of the stats, like if you look,

2153
01:40:29,000 --> 01:40:31,439
Speaker 2: there's no comparison to Brady yet we don't know that. No,

2154
01:40:31,479 --> 01:40:32,200
Speaker 2: I've always said that.

2155
01:40:33,000 --> 01:40:35,280
Speaker 1: Remember last year when they tried to be like, Mahomes

2156
01:40:35,320 --> 01:40:37,680
Speaker 1: just won the Super Bowl on a busted ankle. What

2157
01:40:37,720 --> 01:40:41,080
Speaker 1: if Tom Brady literally did that in his first Super Bowl?

2158
01:40:41,720 --> 01:40:43,680
Speaker 1: That was so funny. Oh my god, they were so

2159
01:40:43,800 --> 01:40:45,880
Speaker 1: mad and I pointed that out. No, but it's different

2160
01:40:46,520 --> 01:40:48,639
Speaker 1: modern medicine, Like, modern medicine makes it easier.

2161
01:40:48,680 --> 01:40:54,240
Speaker 2: Okay. That aside, the fact that Patrick Mahomes hasn't played

2162
01:40:54,280 --> 01:40:56,920
Speaker 2: a road playoff game yet in his career is wild.

2163
01:40:57,439 --> 01:40:58,759
Speaker 2: That's that's a wild stat.

2164
01:40:58,800 --> 01:41:00,680
Speaker 1: Tom Brady hadn't lost the play game at this point

2165
01:41:00,720 --> 01:41:03,080
Speaker 1: in his career to Mahomes is well, that's lost a

2166
01:41:03,080 --> 01:41:06,360
Speaker 1: couple that's not true. But eighteen nineteen, twenty twenty one,

2167
01:41:06,439 --> 01:41:09,720
Speaker 1: twenty two five years Brady lost his first playoff game

2168
01:41:09,720 --> 01:41:11,320
Speaker 1: in year four to Denver.

2169
01:41:11,520 --> 01:41:14,120
Speaker 2: Yeahmes loss, or I guess the year five, Yeah, I

2170
01:41:14,120 --> 01:41:15,000
Speaker 2: guess your Holmes.

2171
01:41:14,840 --> 01:41:16,040
Speaker 1: Lost first playoff game in year two.

2172
01:41:16,360 --> 01:41:18,880
Speaker 2: To bring it, I'm not saying that he's that there's

2173
01:41:18,920 --> 01:41:22,400
Speaker 2: a comparison. I'm just saying it is wild. It is impressive.

2174
01:41:22,439 --> 01:41:24,280
Speaker 2: It is that he's never played a road playoff game.

2175
01:41:24,360 --> 01:41:26,519
Speaker 1: So to your point, Brady played more super Bowl than

2176
01:41:26,520 --> 01:41:27,200
Speaker 1: the card game.

2177
01:41:27,840 --> 01:41:30,519
Speaker 2: I just to your point, yeah, that Mahomes has never

2178
01:41:30,560 --> 01:41:33,800
Speaker 2: been in this position before. He hasn't like this is

2179
01:41:33,840 --> 01:41:36,639
Speaker 2: the first time in his career. And I get Brady

2180
01:41:36,680 --> 01:41:39,559
Speaker 2: beat him in the twice, you know, in the super

2181
01:41:39,560 --> 01:41:42,320
Speaker 2: Bowl in Tampa and the AFC Championship game with the Patriots,

2182
01:41:42,560 --> 01:41:44,920
Speaker 2: but in his career, he has never really faced this

2183
01:41:45,040 --> 01:41:48,479
Speaker 2: much adversity before. You know, losing in the playoffs in

2184
01:41:48,520 --> 01:41:51,160
Speaker 2: the final four of the championship. You know, super Bowl

2185
01:41:51,479 --> 01:41:52,120
Speaker 2: is not adverse.

2186
01:41:52,160 --> 01:41:54,960
Speaker 1: It's a different kind of Yeah, yes, it's its own

2187
01:41:54,960 --> 01:41:58,519
Speaker 1: thing that this is in season adversity that Patrick Mahomes

2188
01:41:58,560 --> 01:42:01,599
Speaker 1: has not necessarily ever had. By the way, on top

2189
01:42:01,640 --> 01:42:04,040
Speaker 1: of that, to add to the pressure, Broncos are one

2190
01:42:04,080 --> 01:42:07,360
Speaker 1: game back and playing really well. Yeah, so you're talking

2191
01:42:07,400 --> 01:42:10,599
Speaker 1: about like the division's kind of they need to win

2192
01:42:10,840 --> 01:42:11,719
Speaker 1: to win the division.

2193
01:42:11,800 --> 01:42:15,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, And just again to make sure people are clear

2194
01:42:15,200 --> 01:42:17,679
Speaker 2: how this is about the Chiefs winning the Super Bowl,

2195
01:42:17,800 --> 01:42:20,160
Speaker 2: not the Chiefs beating the Patriots on Sunday, right, right,

2196
01:42:20,280 --> 01:42:21,200
Speaker 2: This is a big picture.

2197
01:42:21,520 --> 01:42:23,960
Speaker 1: This is my point is this is the game where

2198
01:42:25,560 --> 01:42:27,840
Speaker 1: those Patriots teams and this is what makes this is

2199
01:42:27,840 --> 01:42:29,800
Speaker 1: why I would and I have bigger take I want

2200
01:42:29,800 --> 01:42:30,760
Speaker 1: to get to in a second with this. But for

2201
01:42:30,760 --> 01:42:33,240
Speaker 1: everybody who compared the Chiefs to the Patriots and saying

2202
01:42:33,240 --> 01:42:35,799
Speaker 1: this is the new dynasty, this is the spot where

2203
01:42:35,920 --> 01:42:38,280
Speaker 1: the Patriots will lose a couple of games. You thought

2204
01:42:38,320 --> 01:42:40,200
Speaker 1: it was all said and done, yea, and they get

2205
01:42:40,200 --> 01:42:42,720
Speaker 1: this right game. If it was the Patriots playing a

2206
01:42:42,760 --> 01:42:45,599
Speaker 1: bum Chiefs team in this spot, like the Brady Patriots,

2207
01:42:45,600 --> 01:42:47,800
Speaker 1: they went by three times, they would put up no

2208
01:42:47,920 --> 01:42:51,719
Speaker 1: fewer than forty two points. It's onto Cincinnati, right exactly. Yeah,

2209
01:42:51,840 --> 01:42:55,040
Speaker 1: and this game where the Chiefs are and this isn't

2210
01:42:55,080 --> 01:42:56,880
Speaker 1: so much about the Patriots Chiefs matchup. But I want

2211
01:42:56,880 --> 01:42:59,000
Speaker 1: to make a bigger picture point here, Evan. Do you

2212
01:42:59,080 --> 01:43:02,640
Speaker 1: remember over the summer when people were talking about you know,

2213
01:43:02,760 --> 01:43:04,680
Speaker 1: do you and this is when we thought maybe Mac

2214
01:43:04,760 --> 01:43:06,960
Speaker 1: Jones would figure it out, And there were a segment

2215
01:43:06,960 --> 01:43:09,280
Speaker 1: of people that said, it doesn't matter if Mac Jones

2216
01:43:09,280 --> 01:43:14,919
Speaker 1: figures it out because for the next five years, the Chiefs, Bills, Bengals, Ravens,

2217
01:43:15,000 --> 01:43:17,160
Speaker 1: Chargers own the AFC. It doesn't matter what you do.

2218
01:43:17,240 --> 01:43:19,800
Speaker 1: You might as well just start moving on. You can

2219
01:43:19,880 --> 01:43:22,880
Speaker 1: never ever play that game in the NFL. And this

2220
01:43:23,000 --> 01:43:26,000
Speaker 1: year is exactly why we were told the Chiefs were

2221
01:43:26,040 --> 01:43:28,080
Speaker 1: going to run the AFC for another ten years. They

2222
01:43:28,160 --> 01:43:30,120
Speaker 1: might not win their division. This year, we were told

2223
01:43:30,120 --> 01:43:32,280
Speaker 1: the Bills are gonna run the AFC for another ten years.

2224
01:43:32,479 --> 01:43:34,519
Speaker 1: They might end up firing their coach at the end

2225
01:43:34,520 --> 01:43:34,840
Speaker 1: of the year.

2226
01:43:34,840 --> 01:43:35,839
Speaker 2: They might not make the playoffs.

2227
01:43:35,840 --> 01:43:36,919
Speaker 1: They might not make the playoffs.

2228
01:43:37,000 --> 01:43:39,280
Speaker 2: I'm don't sleep on the Bills.

2229
01:43:39,760 --> 01:43:42,360
Speaker 1: I will absolutely I will remain sound asleep on the

2230
01:43:42,360 --> 01:43:44,280
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills. You do not have to worry about that.

2231
01:43:44,840 --> 01:43:47,400
Speaker 1: The Cincinnati Bengals are not playing particularly well. Before Joe

2232
01:43:47,439 --> 01:43:50,479
Speaker 1: Burrow got hurt. Yeah, and now meanwhile they were written off.

2233
01:43:50,520 --> 01:43:54,360
Speaker 1: They're making a comeback with Jake Browning. There was Baltimore, Baltimore,

2234
01:43:54,400 --> 01:43:56,960
Speaker 1: and Baltimore will see what they do in December. Oh well, well,

2235
01:43:57,280 --> 01:43:58,799
Speaker 1: they are a wagon until Thanksgiving.

2236
01:43:58,840 --> 01:44:00,840
Speaker 2: We will see what they do in December. We're already

2237
01:44:00,840 --> 01:44:02,880
Speaker 2: post Thanksgiving. Chargers falled apart.

2238
01:44:03,000 --> 01:44:06,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, and then that picked the Chargers, all right,

2239
01:44:06,280 --> 01:44:08,160
Speaker 1: and then you hate the Chargers. Yeah, the Charges were

2240
01:44:08,160 --> 01:44:10,920
Speaker 1: always never good. And I never picked Chargers either because Daley.

2241
01:44:11,000 --> 01:44:12,599
Speaker 1: But and then the Jets. Everybody talked about the Jets

2242
01:44:12,600 --> 01:44:13,000
Speaker 1: are going to be.

2243
01:44:13,000 --> 01:44:14,080
Speaker 2: This thing for two or three minute.

2244
01:44:14,760 --> 01:44:16,840
Speaker 1: Well, who knows what's gonna happen with it? My point being,

2245
01:44:17,040 --> 01:44:21,320
Speaker 1: the NFL is such a year two year business. That

2246
01:44:21,520 --> 01:44:22,240
Speaker 1: is why this is.

2247
01:44:22,320 --> 01:44:23,720
Speaker 2: Injuries are a great equalizer.

2248
01:44:24,120 --> 01:44:26,920
Speaker 1: But ultimately it's also just hard to be good that long.

2249
01:44:26,960 --> 01:44:28,040
Speaker 1: People figure you out.

2250
01:44:28,160 --> 01:44:30,960
Speaker 2: But injuries are a great equalized injuries. If the Bengals

2251
01:44:31,000 --> 01:44:34,479
Speaker 2: had Burrow and the Jets head Rogers like you just

2252
01:44:34,520 --> 01:44:37,200
Speaker 2: don't know, but Salar cap and I know you hate

2253
01:44:37,240 --> 01:44:39,200
Speaker 2: the cap, but the cap doesn't matter. Okay, why isn't

2254
01:44:39,200 --> 01:44:40,920
Speaker 2: tyree killing can't stony anymore because they don't want to

2255
01:44:40,920 --> 01:44:41,800
Speaker 2: pay them all.

2256
01:44:41,760 --> 01:44:44,559
Speaker 1: Right, So money, let me put it, money is an equalizer.

2257
01:44:44,640 --> 01:44:44,760
Speaker 4: Right.

2258
01:44:46,680 --> 01:44:51,920
Speaker 1: This game, I think so perfectly encapsulates big picture why

2259
01:44:52,200 --> 01:44:56,120
Speaker 1: crowning the Chiefs is the next Patriots is such a disserviceable.

2260
01:44:55,560 --> 01:44:57,840
Speaker 2: Side, that's what. So this is what this is about, right,

2261
01:44:58,040 --> 01:45:00,880
Speaker 2: this is about They're not the Patrio the Patriots, which

2262
01:45:00,920 --> 01:45:03,519
Speaker 2: is like when you get on me for second, Tom Brady,

2263
01:45:03,720 --> 01:45:06,360
Speaker 2: Bold take different the difference, not the Patriots.

2264
01:45:06,360 --> 01:45:08,400
Speaker 1: There are a lot of people being very loud about

2265
01:45:08,400 --> 01:45:11,400
Speaker 1: the Chiefs are the next great don't take bold take

2266
01:45:11,479 --> 01:45:13,679
Speaker 1: hang on. There's a lot of people saying the Chiefs

2267
01:45:13,680 --> 01:45:16,880
Speaker 1: are the next great America. There's a lot of people

2268
01:45:16,920 --> 01:45:19,120
Speaker 1: saying the Chiefs are the next great American dynasty. What

2269
01:45:19,160 --> 01:45:20,760
Speaker 1: I'm here to tell you is the Patriots were the

2270
01:45:20,800 --> 01:45:24,640
Speaker 1: last great American dynasty that can't be replicated because the

2271
01:45:24,640 --> 01:45:26,720
Speaker 1: Patriots were never in a situation that all of these

2272
01:45:26,760 --> 01:45:29,360
Speaker 1: teams that we crowned in the off season, Patriots were

2273
01:45:29,400 --> 01:45:31,439
Speaker 1: never in a situation like this until about.

2274
01:45:31,280 --> 01:45:33,640
Speaker 2: Twenty years in. One will ever be the Patriots. I

2275
01:45:33,680 --> 01:45:34,000
Speaker 2: don't get.

2276
01:45:34,120 --> 01:45:38,240
Speaker 1: I don't get why I played in one. I played

2277
01:45:38,240 --> 01:45:40,639
Speaker 1: into your little Taylor Swift game and you're not even

2278
01:45:41,400 --> 01:45:42,760
Speaker 1: I couldn't remember if the name of the song was

2279
01:45:42,840 --> 01:45:44,439
Speaker 1: next or last, so I had to use both of them.

2280
01:45:44,439 --> 01:45:48,000
Speaker 2: But what what? What is it the next?

2281
01:45:48,040 --> 01:45:49,920
Speaker 1: Is it the last great American dynasty? Isn't that a

2282
01:45:49,960 --> 01:45:50,800
Speaker 1: Taylor Swiss song? Oh?

2283
01:45:50,880 --> 01:45:52,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's a deep cut though.

2284
01:45:53,479 --> 01:45:54,840
Speaker 1: So I don't get credit for the deep cut.

2285
01:45:55,200 --> 01:45:56,679
Speaker 2: I don't even know if that's the name of the song.

2286
01:45:57,240 --> 01:45:58,320
Speaker 2: It's a pretty deep cut.

2287
01:45:58,400 --> 01:46:02,400
Speaker 1: I played your game extra credit your game, and I

2288
01:46:02,439 --> 01:46:04,080
Speaker 1: don't even get any credit for that. I think it's

2289
01:46:04,080 --> 01:46:07,479
Speaker 1: the last great American dynasty. It is Taylor Swift, the

2290
01:46:07,520 --> 01:46:10,599
Speaker 1: last great American dynasty, and you missed it. I leave

2291
01:46:10,720 --> 01:46:14,240
Speaker 1: that in beautifully and you missed it, because so who's

2292
01:46:14,240 --> 01:46:15,320
Speaker 1: the real Swift here?

2293
01:46:15,400 --> 01:46:17,840
Speaker 2: Because I was trying to go I was trying to

2294
01:46:17,840 --> 01:46:20,280
Speaker 2: play into the bit. You know I missed it.

2295
01:46:20,320 --> 01:46:23,280
Speaker 1: You're right, I played into your bit. I bit sceptioned you.

2296
01:46:27,240 --> 01:46:29,080
Speaker 1: A couple more things. You give me all this crap

2297
01:46:29,120 --> 01:46:30,840
Speaker 1: for not want to talk about Taylor Swift and I

2298
01:46:30,880 --> 01:46:32,800
Speaker 1: did that beautifully, not.

2299
01:46:32,920 --> 01:46:34,600
Speaker 2: That you did it so well that I missed it

2300
01:46:34,680 --> 01:46:39,120
Speaker 2: exactly like me, I'm just like, I'm not even trying

2301
01:46:39,160 --> 01:46:41,519
Speaker 2: to like weave it in. I'm just like you need

2302
01:46:41,560 --> 01:46:43,559
Speaker 2: to calm down, like that's it. Like I'm just coming

2303
01:46:43,600 --> 01:46:46,960
Speaker 2: out and saying it. A couple more things on the

2304
01:46:47,040 --> 01:46:51,960
Speaker 2: Chiefs offensively, last thing about the Chiefs offense. In this matchup,

2305
01:46:52,680 --> 01:46:58,120
Speaker 2: the Splits heavily favored playing two deep safeties against Patrick Mahomes.

2306
01:46:58,160 --> 01:47:01,000
Speaker 2: And this has kind of become like the eight coverage

2307
01:47:01,040 --> 01:47:05,160
Speaker 2: now because with these high fly and passing offense, these

2308
01:47:05,240 --> 01:47:07,360
Speaker 2: quarterbacks and things like that that can move around.

2309
01:47:07,479 --> 01:47:09,760
Speaker 1: Remember when this was the defense for like thirty years

2310
01:47:09,760 --> 01:47:10,759
Speaker 1: and then it fell out of style.

2311
01:47:10,840 --> 01:47:15,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, everybody's playing Cover two against Patrick Mahomes, so

2312
01:47:15,720 --> 01:47:18,360
Speaker 2: that that's the big coverage that they play. You know,

2313
01:47:18,439 --> 01:47:20,960
Speaker 2: when he gets single high coverage, you know, Cover one,

2314
01:47:21,040 --> 01:47:23,880
Speaker 2: Cover three, he's fourth in the league and EPA. When

2315
01:47:23,920 --> 01:47:28,560
Speaker 2: he gets Cover two quarters split safety zone, he's sixteenth.

2316
01:47:28,600 --> 01:47:30,760
Speaker 2: So he's like a mere mortal. You know, he's middle

2317
01:47:30,760 --> 01:47:33,040
Speaker 2: of the pack when you play Cover two against him

2318
01:47:33,280 --> 01:47:36,400
Speaker 2: or quarters, and that's always been the plan. You know,

2319
01:47:36,560 --> 01:47:39,559
Speaker 2: Kelsey's really not for the Patriots, but that's the Patriots

2320
01:47:39,600 --> 01:47:41,519
Speaker 2: have played a lot of man coverage against the Chiefs.

2321
01:47:41,960 --> 01:47:44,040
Speaker 2: The main reason why they've done that is because Kelsey.

2322
01:47:44,439 --> 01:47:48,960
Speaker 2: I think this is not again like we're talking Patriots Chiefs,

2323
01:47:49,000 --> 01:47:51,880
Speaker 2: you know, dynastyes and now we're talking Kelsey, Gronk whatever.

2324
01:47:52,439 --> 01:47:55,680
Speaker 2: I think Travis Kelsey has a case to maybe be

2325
01:47:55,800 --> 01:47:57,839
Speaker 2: the best zone route runner in the history of football.

2326
01:47:58,040 --> 01:48:01,200
Speaker 2: Like he is very good nominal, Like he is a

2327
01:48:01,320 --> 01:48:05,760
Speaker 2: zone buster, and I think the big reason, the big

2328
01:48:05,800 --> 01:48:09,800
Speaker 2: reason why is because he doesn't actually run routes against zone.

2329
01:48:10,560 --> 01:48:14,320
Speaker 2: He yeah, he just like he looks at it like

2330
01:48:14,320 --> 01:48:16,920
Speaker 2: a quarterback. He was a quarterback college, and he looks

2331
01:48:16,920 --> 01:48:19,799
Speaker 2: at it like a quarterback. And then wherever the void

2332
01:48:20,280 --> 01:48:23,679
Speaker 2: is that gets created by the other, Like wherever there's space,

2333
01:48:24,160 --> 01:48:27,040
Speaker 2: he just finds the space. And then Mahomes and him

2334
01:48:27,120 --> 01:48:29,639
Speaker 2: just have this like sixth sense where they Mahomes will

2335
01:48:29,680 --> 01:48:32,519
Speaker 2: just find him in the in the voids. He is

2336
01:48:32,680 --> 01:48:35,280
Speaker 2: as good against zone as I've ever seen, Like he's

2337
01:48:35,400 --> 01:48:39,360
Speaker 2: just phenomenal against it. But at the same time, like

2338
01:48:39,439 --> 01:48:41,800
Speaker 2: if you don't play two deep shells, you give him

2339
01:48:41,800 --> 01:48:44,280
Speaker 2: that single high look, they're gonna tear tear you apart.

2340
01:48:44,720 --> 01:48:47,719
Speaker 2: So in this game, I do anticipate the Patriots playing

2341
01:48:47,760 --> 01:48:50,320
Speaker 2: a lot of two man Like you play two man

2342
01:48:50,360 --> 01:48:54,640
Speaker 2: coverage underneath two safeties over the top and make Mahomes,

2343
01:48:54,680 --> 01:48:57,960
Speaker 2: you know, matriculate it down the field. As they say,

2344
01:48:58,520 --> 01:49:02,000
Speaker 2: he also is Homes. This year he leaves the league

2345
01:49:02,040 --> 01:49:06,479
Speaker 2: in scrambles, Yeah, does me? Yeah, number one scrat Fine, I'll.

2346
01:49:06,360 --> 01:49:07,559
Speaker 1: Do it myself kind of place.

2347
01:49:07,680 --> 01:49:09,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I like to call him pac Man because

2348
01:49:09,800 --> 01:49:12,120
Speaker 2: he's like just fast enough to get away, you know,

2349
01:49:12,200 --> 01:49:14,720
Speaker 2: like he's he's not actually fast, but he's like just

2350
01:49:14,800 --> 01:49:15,439
Speaker 2: fast enough.

2351
01:49:15,760 --> 01:49:15,880
Speaker 7: Uh.

2352
01:49:16,000 --> 01:49:18,880
Speaker 2: So he's really good in scramble mode obviously, but he's

2353
01:49:18,920 --> 01:49:21,280
Speaker 2: he's he will take off running for first downs. Now,

2354
01:49:21,360 --> 01:49:23,479
Speaker 2: like that's that's something that he's had to do, I

2355
01:49:23,479 --> 01:49:26,160
Speaker 2: think more this year because they don't have, you know,

2356
01:49:26,200 --> 01:49:30,720
Speaker 2: as many answers, so he's got to add the scramble. Uh, Spagnolo,

2357
01:49:30,920 --> 01:49:33,360
Speaker 2: no defense, you're are we done with the offense? Can

2358
01:49:33,360 --> 01:49:35,160
Speaker 2: we move over to the defense, because they deserve to

2359
01:49:35,200 --> 01:49:38,559
Speaker 2: be talked about? So the Chiefs defense is better than

2360
01:49:38,600 --> 01:49:41,880
Speaker 2: the Chiefs offense. Oh yeah, they're n in dvo a Defensively,

2361
01:49:42,400 --> 01:49:44,960
Speaker 2: Spags is a wizard, Like he just dials up pressure

2362
01:49:44,960 --> 01:49:48,439
Speaker 2: from everywhere. Only I think it's their third in the

2363
01:49:48,520 --> 01:49:53,000
Speaker 2: league in creating unblocked rushers at the quarterback. So just

2364
01:49:53,360 --> 01:49:55,800
Speaker 2: guys coming scott free through the line of scrimmage at

2365
01:49:55,800 --> 01:49:58,880
Speaker 2: the quarterback. They run a lot of creeper pressure. They

2366
01:49:58,960 --> 01:50:01,680
Speaker 2: blitz mcduffy from slot a lot. That's big part of

2367
01:50:01,720 --> 01:50:07,479
Speaker 2: it too. But they're excellent at creating open their free

2368
01:50:07,560 --> 01:50:10,720
Speaker 2: runners to the quarterback. And that's gonna be A big

2369
01:50:10,760 --> 01:50:13,200
Speaker 2: part of the game plan this week for the Patriots

2370
01:50:13,320 --> 01:50:15,880
Speaker 2: is not only trying to block it right and trying

2371
01:50:15,880 --> 01:50:18,120
Speaker 2: to get everybody pointed in the right direction to block it,

2372
01:50:18,160 --> 01:50:21,479
Speaker 2: but also you know, sidedjust who's hot, right, Like, how

2373
01:50:21,520 --> 01:50:23,519
Speaker 2: do you get the ball out of your hands? Because

2374
01:50:23,840 --> 01:50:26,880
Speaker 2: when you run these creeper pressures, which is it's a

2375
01:50:27,000 --> 01:50:30,080
Speaker 2: stagnant defense, it looks like it's a coverage defense, and

2376
01:50:30,120 --> 01:50:32,760
Speaker 2: then they're just gonna blitz like a defensive back, right,

2377
01:50:33,240 --> 01:50:36,639
Speaker 2: so they they're blitzing people that you're not expecting to rush.

2378
01:50:36,640 --> 01:50:39,439
Speaker 2: And then they're dropping rushers, so like they'll drop guys

2379
01:50:39,479 --> 01:50:41,400
Speaker 2: off the end of the line of scrimmage and they'll

2380
01:50:41,400 --> 01:50:43,759
Speaker 2: blitz McDuffie out of the slot so they can maintain

2381
01:50:43,800 --> 01:50:46,639
Speaker 2: the numbers in the coverage. When they do that stuff

2382
01:50:46,680 --> 01:50:49,439
Speaker 2: like that, you can't really like sniff out a creeper,

2383
01:50:49,520 --> 01:50:51,880
Speaker 2: Like it's really difficult. That's why they're called creepers because

2384
01:50:51,880 --> 01:50:55,679
Speaker 2: they creep up on you. So if you're gonna see

2385
01:50:55,720 --> 01:50:58,120
Speaker 2: a lot of that on Sunday, you're gonna have to

2386
01:50:58,120 --> 01:51:00,479
Speaker 2: beat that by throwing, you know, replacing the blitz with

2387
01:51:00,520 --> 01:51:02,479
Speaker 2: the ball, right, Like you're gonna have to find hot routes.

2388
01:51:02,520 --> 01:51:04,000
Speaker 2: You're gonna have to get the ball out of the

2389
01:51:04,080 --> 01:51:06,920
Speaker 2: Zappi's hands. Uh. The one thing that I did see

2390
01:51:06,960 --> 01:51:09,120
Speaker 2: though with with this chief des and it's really really

2391
01:51:09,120 --> 01:51:12,760
Speaker 2: good defense. They're not really good against the run. But

2392
01:51:13,400 --> 01:51:15,800
Speaker 2: in this game, like I would not expect Spags to

2393
01:51:15,880 --> 01:51:18,400
Speaker 2: let the Patriots run the ball like that. Right when

2394
01:51:18,400 --> 01:51:21,120
Speaker 2: they go up against Buffalo, obviously they're gonna they're gonna

2395
01:51:21,160 --> 01:51:23,040
Speaker 2: be okay with giving up some yards on the ground,

2396
01:51:23,120 --> 01:51:25,479
Speaker 2: you know, Like then they go up against those marquee

2397
01:51:25,479 --> 01:51:27,960
Speaker 2: teams and things like that, it's a little different with

2398
01:51:28,040 --> 01:51:30,160
Speaker 2: the Patriots. I don't think they're just gonna let them

2399
01:51:30,200 --> 01:51:32,760
Speaker 2: run the ball. But the one thing that I did

2400
01:51:32,840 --> 01:51:35,080
Speaker 2: notice with them is that they're not they they're not

2401
01:51:35,120 --> 01:51:38,040
Speaker 2: great at handling motion like at the snap, like jet

2402
01:51:38,040 --> 01:51:41,040
Speaker 2: motion things like that. A lot of times like they'll

2403
01:51:41,040 --> 01:51:44,080
Speaker 2: motion and they'll they'll try to cover the motion and

2404
01:51:44,160 --> 01:51:47,160
Speaker 2: it opens space elsewhere. It's not necessarily that they can't

2405
01:51:47,320 --> 01:51:49,120
Speaker 2: make the play on the guy that goes in motion.

2406
01:51:49,439 --> 01:51:52,080
Speaker 2: It's like they if you motion to the left and

2407
01:51:52,120 --> 01:51:54,040
Speaker 2: then throw back to the right, you know, you can

2408
01:51:54,080 --> 01:51:57,280
Speaker 2: find openings in their defense that way. So using motion

2409
01:51:57,360 --> 01:52:00,160
Speaker 2: as eye candy to kind of like draw the defen

2410
01:52:00,240 --> 01:52:02,800
Speaker 2: in that direction and then hitting them elsewhere has been

2411
01:52:02,840 --> 01:52:05,479
Speaker 2: effective against this defense in the past. But it's a

2412
01:52:05,520 --> 01:52:08,639
Speaker 2: really really good defense and they're carrying them a lot.

2413
01:52:08,720 --> 01:52:11,320
Speaker 2: And so you mentioned earlier like how could Chiefs run

2414
01:52:11,360 --> 01:52:14,280
Speaker 2: away with this game? To me, it's the defense dominating the.

2415
01:52:14,200 --> 01:52:16,920
Speaker 1: Patriot and it's one guy. It's Chris Jones. It's Chris

2416
01:52:17,000 --> 01:52:20,280
Speaker 1: Jones just blowing up the line, getting pressure on. But

2417
01:52:20,400 --> 01:52:23,360
Speaker 1: we've seen Zappi pressure quite a bit in the last

2418
01:52:23,400 --> 01:52:26,240
Speaker 1: two games, and he's handled it relatively well. I don't

2419
01:52:26,280 --> 01:52:27,000
Speaker 1: think he's been perfect.

2420
01:52:27,040 --> 01:52:28,479
Speaker 2: He's more than dad.

2421
01:52:28,680 --> 01:52:31,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, no, the pressure in his face becac if

2422
01:52:31,520 --> 01:52:34,719
Speaker 1: you're not the Blitz. But yeah, like rushers coming wherever

2423
01:52:34,760 --> 01:52:37,479
Speaker 1: they're coming from, rushers coming at him unblocked or half block,

2424
01:52:38,280 --> 01:52:40,519
Speaker 1: he's going to get a different It's gonna be similar

2425
01:52:40,520 --> 01:52:42,759
Speaker 1: to Khalil Mack. But like Chris Jones is just another

2426
01:52:43,560 --> 01:52:47,120
Speaker 1: another level. And yeah, Chris Jones certainly had he took

2427
01:52:47,160 --> 01:52:49,200
Speaker 1: over that game last week, and if the Chiefs win

2428
01:52:49,280 --> 01:52:51,280
Speaker 1: that game, he's the player of the game. Yeah, And

2429
01:52:51,400 --> 01:52:52,840
Speaker 1: it's been the case for a lot of their games

2430
01:52:52,840 --> 01:52:54,559
Speaker 1: this year. As good as Patrick mahomes Is. I think

2431
01:52:54,600 --> 01:52:57,000
Speaker 1: you could make an argument that in terms of you

2432
01:52:57,000 --> 01:52:59,799
Speaker 1: know what you see what you see on the film.

2433
01:53:00,200 --> 01:53:02,120
Speaker 1: Chris Jones has been the Chief's best player this year.

2434
01:53:02,200 --> 01:53:04,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, him Er McDuffie, McDuffie's.

2435
01:53:03,720 --> 01:53:07,920
Speaker 1: Mcduff's been pretty good, phenomenal. But I think Chris Jones

2436
01:53:07,960 --> 01:53:11,479
Speaker 1: can wreck a game. Bill said it yesterday. He can

2437
01:53:11,560 --> 01:53:14,559
Speaker 1: ruin a game. And he's We're really gonna see what

2438
01:53:14,600 --> 01:53:17,160
Speaker 1: Bailey's Appy looks like under pressure. Because you mentioned how

2439
01:53:17,200 --> 01:53:19,280
Speaker 1: much Mike w and win Who struggled with some of

2440
01:53:19,280 --> 01:53:21,919
Speaker 1: that not Mike w and went who City So struggled

2441
01:53:21,920 --> 01:53:24,000
Speaker 1: with some of that move stuff. They're gonna get the

2442
01:53:24,040 --> 01:53:26,479
Speaker 1: games going with Christopher Jones. They did a ton last week.

2443
01:53:26,520 --> 01:53:27,920
Speaker 1: They move him around, they play him in all the

2444
01:53:27,920 --> 01:53:28,559
Speaker 1: different spots.

2445
01:53:28,640 --> 01:53:28,840
Speaker 2: Yep.

2446
01:53:28,920 --> 01:53:31,519
Speaker 1: They'll probably get him one up on Cold Strange sometimes

2447
01:53:31,520 --> 01:53:34,880
Speaker 1: and try to overpower Cole Strange when Connor McDermott comes

2448
01:53:34,880 --> 01:53:36,760
Speaker 1: in at left tackle. I'm sure if the Patriots do

2449
01:53:36,800 --> 01:53:38,160
Speaker 1: that again, I'm sure they'll try to run him on

2450
01:53:38,200 --> 01:53:41,080
Speaker 1: Conor McDermott. They'll get him on the rookie so and

2451
01:53:41,360 --> 01:53:43,080
Speaker 1: he's gonna be in Bailey's Appy's face quite a bit.

2452
01:53:43,080 --> 01:53:44,760
Speaker 1: We're gonna see how Bayley's appy does with it.

2453
01:53:44,920 --> 01:53:46,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a good player, and I think it's a

2454
01:53:46,600 --> 01:53:49,680
Speaker 2: really nice test for the two young guards, you know,

2455
01:53:49,800 --> 01:53:52,280
Speaker 2: Cole Strange and City. So I've been singing Cole Strange's

2456
01:53:52,320 --> 01:53:56,400
Speaker 2: praises today. This is a matchup that historically and Chris

2457
01:53:56,439 --> 01:53:58,200
Speaker 2: Jones eats up a lot of guards. So I'm not

2458
01:53:58,240 --> 01:54:00,680
Speaker 2: saying that this is just a Cole Strange thing, but

2459
01:54:01,040 --> 01:54:06,599
Speaker 2: a long, big, physical, powerful interior rusher like Chris Jones.

2460
01:54:06,840 --> 01:54:09,559
Speaker 2: This is the guy that Cole Strange has has really

2461
01:54:09,920 --> 01:54:12,720
Speaker 2: been benched at times, you know, throughout the last couple

2462
01:54:12,760 --> 01:54:15,320
Speaker 2: of years because he can't handle. So it'll be interesting

2463
01:54:15,320 --> 01:54:18,040
Speaker 2: to see how this looks. But that's to me, how

2464
01:54:18,040 --> 01:54:21,519
Speaker 2: the Chiefs blow out the Patriots is turnovers on defense,

2465
01:54:21,600 --> 01:54:24,479
Speaker 2: negative plays on defense, and the Patriots just not being

2466
01:54:24,520 --> 01:54:28,080
Speaker 2: able to move the ball against a really, really good CACD.

2467
01:54:28,160 --> 01:54:29,760
Speaker 2: All right, we got one more phone call and then

2468
01:54:29,760 --> 01:54:32,560
Speaker 2: we're gonna wrap it up here. James is in California.

2469
01:54:32,640 --> 01:54:34,400
Speaker 2: What's up, James?

2470
01:54:35,640 --> 01:54:36,040
Speaker 4: Hey, guys.

2471
01:54:36,080 --> 01:54:40,160
Speaker 8: Thinks I'll try to be real quick at one point

2472
01:54:40,280 --> 01:54:44,320
Speaker 8: on the coaching and Bill Milichick. First, I think he's

2473
01:54:44,360 --> 01:54:47,080
Speaker 8: the greatest coach of all time, so this doesn't necessarily

2474
01:54:47,120 --> 01:54:51,560
Speaker 8: knock on him. But I feel like you need great

2475
01:54:51,840 --> 01:54:53,760
Speaker 8: good to great, but make sure good to great players.

2476
01:54:53,800 --> 01:54:56,040
Speaker 8: You don't necessarily need a great coach to win the

2477
01:54:56,120 --> 01:54:58,480
Speaker 8: Super Bowl or even go to a Super Bowl. I

2478
01:54:58,480 --> 01:55:02,320
Speaker 8: think history has shown that you know you have Doug Peterson.

2479
01:55:02,400 --> 01:55:04,320
Speaker 8: I don't think anybody would call him a great coach

2480
01:55:05,160 --> 01:55:08,200
Speaker 8: both the Hardball Bowl. You wouldn't call either one of

2481
01:55:08,240 --> 01:55:11,720
Speaker 8: those guys. Great coaches are good coaches. I mean, goo

2482
01:55:12,200 --> 01:55:15,440
Speaker 8: back as far as Brian Billick when he wanted Super bowling,

2483
01:55:15,960 --> 01:55:18,600
Speaker 8: he not like anybody to call him a great coach either.

2484
01:55:19,160 --> 01:55:24,360
Speaker 8: But when you have both the players and preferably the

2485
01:55:25,000 --> 01:55:27,800
Speaker 8: quarterback being one of the great players and a great coach,

2486
01:55:28,440 --> 01:55:31,959
Speaker 8: I feel that's when the coach is able to showcase

2487
01:55:32,000 --> 01:55:34,600
Speaker 8: his greatness because the players will keep him there long

2488
01:55:34,720 --> 01:55:37,320
Speaker 8: enough to show how great he is. And I think

2489
01:55:37,360 --> 01:55:40,440
Speaker 8: that's what happened with Bill Belichick and why he failed

2490
01:55:40,440 --> 01:55:44,080
Speaker 8: in Cleveland and why he's failing now is because he

2491
01:55:44,120 --> 01:55:46,640
Speaker 8: didn't have the great players. Because he had the great

2492
01:55:46,640 --> 01:55:49,280
Speaker 8: players with Brady for so long, he was able to

2493
01:55:49,320 --> 01:55:51,960
Speaker 8: showcase that he was the greatest coach of all time

2494
01:55:51,960 --> 01:55:56,200
Speaker 8: when it came to teaching positions and also teaching in

2495
01:55:56,320 --> 01:56:00,240
Speaker 8: game management and so like when it comes to sure

2496
01:56:00,240 --> 01:56:05,480
Speaker 8: it's fans wonder worrying about losing him, I really am

2497
01:56:05,520 --> 01:56:07,800
Speaker 8: not that worried about it, because as long as we

2498
01:56:07,840 --> 01:56:12,240
Speaker 8: get a decent head coach, but someone that can evaguate

2499
01:56:12,280 --> 01:56:14,280
Speaker 8: talent as far as the GM goes and bring in talent,

2500
01:56:14,760 --> 01:56:16,800
Speaker 8: I feel like we'll be okay. And that's why I

2501
01:56:16,800 --> 01:56:17,480
Speaker 8: got to take off here.

2502
01:56:17,520 --> 01:56:20,200
Speaker 2: Thanks guys, Thanks James H. Yeah. Look, I mean I

2503
01:56:20,200 --> 01:56:22,840
Speaker 2: agree with a lot of what he said. I it's

2504
01:56:22,960 --> 01:56:24,840
Speaker 2: it's a tough position. We're you know, kind of mentioned

2505
01:56:24,840 --> 01:56:28,040
Speaker 2: this a few minutes ago. It's a tough decision because

2506
01:56:28,760 --> 01:56:31,120
Speaker 2: there's still so many things that Bill Belichick is really

2507
01:56:31,160 --> 01:56:33,360
Speaker 2: good at, right, and there's still so many things that

2508
01:56:33,800 --> 01:56:36,760
Speaker 2: he's probably better at than anybody in the world. And like,

2509
01:56:37,080 --> 01:56:38,680
Speaker 2: I think one of the bigger things that he said

2510
01:56:38,680 --> 01:56:40,920
Speaker 2: that I don't think that Bill gets enough credit for

2511
01:56:41,160 --> 01:56:43,600
Speaker 2: is his ability to teach the game. Like that's such

2512
01:56:43,600 --> 01:56:46,880
Speaker 2: a big part of what makes him great, is you know,

2513
01:56:47,360 --> 01:56:49,680
Speaker 2: just remembering like some of the football life stuff and

2514
01:56:49,840 --> 01:56:52,040
Speaker 2: like him going up to Julian Edelman and teaching him

2515
01:56:52,040 --> 01:56:54,200
Speaker 2: how to like read the punt off the punter's foot,

2516
01:56:54,240 --> 01:56:56,440
Speaker 2: and you know, like little things like that. Or we

2517
01:56:56,480 --> 01:56:59,160
Speaker 2: see him out at training camp and he'll watch an

2518
01:56:59,200 --> 01:57:02,440
Speaker 2: eleven on eleven and play and then go make corrections

2519
01:57:02,440 --> 01:57:05,800
Speaker 2: with like seven different guys and you're just like, how

2520
01:57:05,840 --> 01:57:06,680
Speaker 2: did he see all that?

2521
01:57:06,920 --> 01:57:07,040
Speaker 3: Right?

2522
01:57:07,120 --> 01:57:08,720
Speaker 2: Like how you know? And how how? And then he's

2523
01:57:08,760 --> 01:57:11,920
Speaker 2: able to like kind of just tell the player the

2524
01:57:11,960 --> 01:57:15,880
Speaker 2: most important elements, like not not to like throw all

2525
01:57:15,960 --> 01:57:18,160
Speaker 2: this information at a guy, just say hey, if you

2526
01:57:18,200 --> 01:57:20,120
Speaker 2: put your hand like a little bit more over here,

2527
01:57:20,240 --> 01:57:22,240
Speaker 2: or you do this, or you do that, then it'll

2528
01:57:22,240 --> 01:57:23,880
Speaker 2: be easier for you the next time, you know, like

2529
01:57:23,920 --> 01:57:27,240
Speaker 2: those little things like that. And uh, he's still great

2530
01:57:27,240 --> 01:57:31,000
Speaker 2: at that. He's still an encyclopedia of football history knowledge

2531
01:57:31,040 --> 01:57:34,320
Speaker 2: all of that. But I think where we all come

2532
01:57:34,360 --> 01:57:37,360
Speaker 2: from it is you are what your record says you

2533
01:57:37,400 --> 01:57:39,800
Speaker 2: are right, And to sit here and say that nobody

2534
01:57:39,840 --> 01:57:41,640
Speaker 2: could do a better job when you're three and ten

2535
01:57:41,800 --> 01:57:43,080
Speaker 2: is just a little disingenuous.

2536
01:57:43,120 --> 01:57:45,600
Speaker 1: It just it stinks because to the college point, like

2537
01:57:45,600 --> 01:57:48,400
Speaker 1: if he could just stay and let somebody else get

2538
01:57:48,480 --> 01:57:53,520
Speaker 1: him better players, that's the perfect world. Yeah, it's just

2539
01:57:53,680 --> 01:57:57,200
Speaker 1: it's just he's it's it's not it's not who he is.

2540
01:57:57,280 --> 01:57:59,840
Speaker 1: He's not going to coach somebody else's players. So all right,

2541
01:58:00,200 --> 01:58:02,280
Speaker 1: that does it for us. We will be back next

2542
01:58:02,320 --> 01:58:07,560
Speaker 1: Thursday before the Broncos game Christmas Eve Broncos game in Denver,

2543
01:58:07,800 --> 01:58:11,960
Speaker 1: and enjoy the game on Sunday. Enjoy the Swifties on Sunday.

2544
01:58:12,000 --> 01:58:16,200
Speaker 1: They're gonna be all out in full force, and pus

2545
01:58:16,280 --> 01:58:16,640
Speaker 1: up next.

2546
01:58:16,640 --> 01:58:20,880
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