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Speaker 3: And I'm hungover. I didn't even get drunk and I'm hungover.

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Speaker 2: Hey everybody, on this twenty eighth day of August twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty three, it's time for Morning Combat. How are you doing?

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Speaker 2: I am merely one half of your hosting duo. I

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Speaker 3: There's really no way to tell.

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Speaker 4: Wow, that's it. Yeah, that's a very early start to

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Speaker 4: That's great? It's Monday morning. I'm here to bank Dewey

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Speaker 4: and you know, hey, it was some weird fights of

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Speaker 2: Yes, I certainly will. Of course I think the fans

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Speaker 4: I heard the first week of September, maybe September eighth,

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Speaker 3: It's you know, he's saying that for quite some time.

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Speaker 4: Well, Looke, we've been saying a lot of things. Okay,

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Speaker 4: And hey, there's red tape in corporate life, Luke. As

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Speaker 2: Yes we are pathetic, but BC we're also two time winners,

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Speaker 2: so maybe there's a correlation. Between being pathetic and getting

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Speaker 4: Close, We're very close. But yeah, yeah, yeah, we're just fine, Luke.

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Speaker 2: Didn't do it today because I'm a little bit obviously,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that was you putting your hand in a bear trap.

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Speaker 4: see the rest of them right there, Luke, I'm about three.

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Speaker 3: Right now some three or two. You know what.

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Speaker 2: I have very much slept on you as a worthy adversary,

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Speaker 2: but I think I might need to start changing that

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Speaker 3: I have to say I enjoyed that.

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Speaker 4: Did you hear that guttural scream from J. J. Aldrich

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Speaker 4: when she delivered that stoppage when and it was almost

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Speaker 4: It was at a little bit awkward, to be fair,

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Speaker 2: Well with that it might mean the graphic I mean

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Speaker 2: Do the other side of it? Oh, Mike, he's so

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Speaker 2: start with the main event from UFC Singapore. Max Holloway

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Speaker 2: a lot of different pieces of this conversation we want

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Speaker 2: to get to BC. First, Let's actually talk about uh Zombie.

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Speaker 2: What can we say about his career now that it

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Speaker 4: Well, we can say a lot of great things. I

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Speaker 4: think about this ending. We can say this is one

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Speaker 4: of the best, I mean for a guy that got

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Speaker 4: absolutely splattered. Maybe you want a young j Check getting

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Speaker 4: the same against young Wayley in the rematches, the only

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Speaker 4: rightful comparison here where she walked away on her own

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Speaker 4: ahead of time. There was like some real, real like

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Speaker 4: royalty and regalness to a man walking in there in

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Speaker 4: round three with his hands down and bringing the rider

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Speaker 4: splattered in just violent, spectacular fashion, how good was this exit?

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's not quite Robbie Lawler and Amanda Newness

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Speaker 4: going out with a win family all around them having

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Speaker 4: their big moments there. But live by the sword, Die

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Speaker 4: by the sword. That's what TKZ has always been about.

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Speaker 4: Never got over that hill right, a two time title challenger,

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Speaker 4: but never accomplished his true goal. But even with a

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Speaker 4: long I believe it was a three year break in

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Speaker 4: between for military service, this guy consistently has just been

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Speaker 4: such a crowd pleaser, such a great I'd say ambassador

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Speaker 4: for Southeast Asian MMA. Luke in particular, because I've interviewed

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Speaker 4: him a bunch of times and it's always for guy

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Speaker 4: that's blood and guts and basically, you know, almost a

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Speaker 4: villainous movie character. It was always about honor to him.

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Speaker 4: It was always about giving the fans what he believes

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Speaker 4: they deserve and expect and it was always about representing

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Speaker 4: his country, the creed, the BUSHEETO, all of that, and

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Speaker 4: he did that here. I mean the zombie entrance with

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Speaker 4: the old Cranberry song both before and after. Was it

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Speaker 4: like brought a teerty or I moved you. It was

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Speaker 4: incredible and the crowd and there in Singapore completely bought

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Speaker 4: in on this. But Luke, it's maybe really comparatible to

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Speaker 4: Joanna in that sense where it's the worst disastrous ending

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Speaker 4: you could have. Yet Chef's kiss perfection, because that's what

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Speaker 4: that dude is was and will always be all about.

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Speaker 3: I think that's right. You know, if you.

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Speaker 2: If you wanted to script like a more perfect ending,

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Speaker 2: obviously he wouldn't have been fighting Max Holloway, to be

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Speaker 2: quite honest with you, we would have been fighting someone

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Speaker 2: a lot less difficult to compete against. Although if he

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Speaker 2: still wanted to be in a title conversation, which I

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Speaker 2: thought was kind of strange, he was saying he was

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Speaker 2: still pursuing that. I mean, I get that every or

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Speaker 2: haven't thought he's been closed for a while. I mean,

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Speaker 2: especially since he got just wrecked by Volkanovski. But okay,

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Speaker 2: putting that aside, I mean, I think this is what

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Speaker 2: really stands out to me about the Korean zombie. Very rare,

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Speaker 2: best that he could, taking risk in unusual ways, which

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Speaker 2: is how he got the nickname. But it wasn't just

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Speaker 2: from taking risk. It wasn't just from biting down on

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Speaker 2: also the natural flair for the dramatic that he had,

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Speaker 2: and his willingness to try crazy things. Beyond just being

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Speaker 2: willing to take a shot, I mean the fact that

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Speaker 2: he is, for example, the first UFC fighter to successfully

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Speaker 2: wherewithal that he had to even go for that in

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Speaker 2: the fight that he had I think it was the

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Speaker 2: rematch with Garcia. I mean, this is the sort of

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Speaker 2: thing that it tells you about, right. This is a

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Speaker 2: guy who just had had not only a willingness to

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Speaker 2: really part of the interesting story.

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Speaker 3: BC.

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Speaker 2: They had this fight in Singapore. Again, if he were

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Speaker 2: a boxer, for example, and wanted to have kind of

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Speaker 3: Maybe he would have fought Holloway. Maybe he wouldn't have.

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Speaker 2: You know, that's too hard to say, but it probably

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Speaker 2: would have been in South Korea, right, It probably been

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Speaker 2: in Seoul or some other place where he could have

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Speaker 2: had the vast majority of the hometown adoration. But here's

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Speaker 2: what's so funny about Korean Zombie. Even though he was

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Speaker 2: but it's not like on the other side of the world.

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Speaker 2: Let's say, the point about Korean Zombie is his fans

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Speaker 2: not only travel, but his fans don't have to travel.

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Speaker 2: He has a worldwide in the at least in the

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Speaker 2: when they sang Zombie as he walked out of the cage,

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Speaker 2: as they replayed the music his the Cranberry's music, and

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Speaker 2: all the fans and attendance there were singing for him.

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Speaker 2: It sort of tells you what he meant to the

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Speaker 2: fan base. It tells you how far his reach had gone.

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Speaker 2: And for a guy who, you know, the Jose Aldo

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Speaker 2: never close in that Volkanovsky fight, for a guy who

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Speaker 2: never won a UFC title, it won hundred percent. Maybe

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Speaker 2: not to him, but to the fans. Never mattered. It

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Speaker 2: never mattered what kind of fan you were. A fan

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Speaker 3: The things that he did right.

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Speaker 2: In the cage and the flair, for the dramatic that

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Speaker 2: and you saw that on Saturday when he made his

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, totally. I mean, look, that's what fans want

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Speaker 4: he's all about, but you know, start to finish. Like

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Speaker 4: I mentioned, his attitude, the way he represented the sport.

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Speaker 4: He just kind of had it all where he did

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Speaker 4: the second title shot he had against Volkanowski was largely

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Speaker 4: ceremonial due to its last minute nature. If he would

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Speaker 4: have beaten Yaia Rodriguez in twenty eighteen and one of

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Speaker 4: the craziest fights ever the final second reverse elbow from

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Speaker 4: that point anyway. So to be all of those things

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Speaker 4: to get to the title level. It's pretty damn impressive

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Speaker 4: across the board to carry, you know, sort of multiple

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Speaker 4: I don't know how it could have gone better. I mean, look,

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Speaker 4: he he wanted that finish, meaning either he was gonna

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Speaker 4: he didn't make it easy for Halloway to splatter him.

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Speaker 4: He did. I mean, he was putting the gin out

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Speaker 4: there and he was like, let's bang. You know, I'll

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Speaker 4: play the role alamis if you want Holloway, let's do it. Man.

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Speaker 4: That was reckless and you kind of knew that moment

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Speaker 4: even though that's him, dude, he got splattered and that

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Speaker 2: This is something we all talked about before the last

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Speaker 2: show that we did. Maybe the use of more polls.

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Speaker 2: Mikey if you can, if you can, maybe put up

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Speaker 2: a poll, because here's a question I'm going to ask BC.

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Speaker 3: I wonder what the fans might say.

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Speaker 4: B C.

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Speaker 2: Here's my question to you, and I like to ask

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Speaker 2: we'll see what happens. But BC does Korean Zombie And

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Speaker 2: I'm not talking about for a individual fight. I'm talking

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Speaker 4: Well, any question about the UFC Hall of Fame is

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Speaker 4: so as a Hall of Famer. So never won the title,

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Speaker 4: all these things. Yeah, Luke, he might be. I mean,

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Speaker 4: I do believe there's a home in Hall of Fame,

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Speaker 2: I have to say his case to me is a

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Speaker 3: I think that has.

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Speaker 2: Either been tied or amended or whatever, but at that

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Speaker 2: And then the fight after that was actually in fir Fi,

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Speaker 2: You know, you don't get guys who are that good,

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Speaker 2: never reach that title. But we should also sort of

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Speaker 2: add another component here. He had several years of his

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Speaker 3: You know he was.

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Speaker 2: That he was able to come back and do really

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Speaker 4: But look problem to this three and a half years,

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Speaker 4: three and a half years he took.

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Speaker 2: good as he could have been, everything got delayed and

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00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,159
Speaker 2: pushed back. And three we know this dude three and

437
00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:56,320
Speaker 2: a half years, and MMA is an eternity. I mean,

438
00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:59,840
Speaker 2: the world turns so fast in just a year, forget

439
00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,440
Speaker 2: three and a half times that amount, So he really

440
00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:04,199
Speaker 2: had some of that tinking from him. Now we have

441
00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:07,440
Speaker 2: a poll and that Mikey says that the fans have voted.

442
00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:08,960
Speaker 2: I'm sure this might change a little bit over time,

443
00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:12,560
Speaker 2: but right now sixty eight sixty eight percent say he

444
00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:14,720
Speaker 2: should go in. I do think his case is a

445
00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:17,800
Speaker 2: bit of a bubble case because he didn't have a belt.

446
00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:20,639
Speaker 2: But of all the guys who didn't get a belt.

447
00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:23,280
Speaker 2: Korean Zombie is either going to be at or top

448
00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:25,399
Speaker 2: of the list. When you say who didn't get a

449
00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:29,280
Speaker 2: belt but maybe still deserves a place by themselves inside

450
00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:31,360
Speaker 2: the UFC Hall of Fame, it's got to be him, Yeah,

451
00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:31,680
Speaker 2: got it.

452
00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:34,000
Speaker 4: I mean, his case is unique. You wouldn't be out

453
00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,520
Speaker 4: of bounds if you argued against it. But he does

454
00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,080
Speaker 4: have a few wins we need to remember and circle on,

455
00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:41,280
Speaker 4: and most of his big wins were by stoppage. His

456
00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:43,320
Speaker 4: last one, of course, was the decision went over Dan

457
00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:46,359
Speaker 4: Egay in twenty twenty one. But here's who he's finished

458
00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:51,240
Speaker 4: in his MMA career. Frankie Edgar, Heinato Moikano, Dennis Bermudez,

459
00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:56,080
Speaker 4: Dustin Poier, Markkmenick, and also subbed Leonard Garcia after losing

460
00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:58,639
Speaker 4: their first fight in the WC by split decision. So

461
00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:04,080
Speaker 4: it's not a typical lot of the amount of wins

462
00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:06,640
Speaker 4: that that would make somebody a slam dunk. But when

463
00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:10,240
Speaker 4: you have finished any version of Frankie Edgar Dustin PORI

464
00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:12,760
Speaker 4: I mean this is you know, it's pretty damn good,

465
00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,000
Speaker 4: look pretty damn good. Along with being you know, such

466
00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:17,479
Speaker 4: a such a prominent figure and character in a lot

467
00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:20,119
Speaker 4: of ways, uh, you know, positive character in this sport.

468
00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:24,320
Speaker 4: I never would have expected that exit to feel that good. Look.

469
00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:26,000
Speaker 4: I mean, it took the zombie song, It took the

470
00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,720
Speaker 4: crowd buying in on that level. But like that, that

471
00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:31,399
Speaker 4: moment they put him over as like a a hero.

472
00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:33,400
Speaker 4: I mean it was. It was pretty impressive to see

473
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Speaker 4: that moment on Therey.

474
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Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad you brought that up because we should

475
00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:39,240
Speaker 2: talk about how the UFC handled his retirement. I gotta say, dude,

476
00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:40,600
Speaker 2: I thought they handled it well.

477
00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:41,680
Speaker 3: I really did.

478
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Speaker 2: Now, in the case of Robbie Lawler and in this

479
00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,760
Speaker 2: particular case of Chan Sung Jung, they had some indication

480
00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:51,000
Speaker 2: that it could be coming. Robbi Lawler had basically declared

481
00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:52,400
Speaker 2: it was going to be his last one, and Chance

482
00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,320
Speaker 2: Sung Jung had kind of hinged it on the result,

483
00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:56,840
Speaker 2: so he didn't necessarily say it was going to be

484
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Speaker 2: a guarantee. But in the end it ended up happening

485
00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:02,560
Speaker 2: that way. So, you know, the UFC had a bit

486
00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:05,520
Speaker 2: of a heads up that this could be coming, but nevertheless, nevertheless,

487
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,840
Speaker 2: they did it right. Robbie Lawler was a weight class champion,

488
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,359
Speaker 2: one of the most special fighters at MMA and UFC history,

489
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Speaker 2: so they had a big presentation ready for him. But

490
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Speaker 2: I thought the way they handled this one BC was

491
00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:18,760
Speaker 2: great for two reasons. One, I thought, playing his music again,

492
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:22,280
Speaker 2: because his walkouts are so tied to one particular song

493
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,879
Speaker 2: around this zombie identity, it's a really special union that

494
00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,879
Speaker 2: he has. But more to that point, the broadcast didn't

495
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,640
Speaker 2: say a word. They just let it all play out.

496
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:35,080
Speaker 2: They let the fans do the carrying of him, so

497
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:38,000
Speaker 2: to speak. And for my money, I thought it was

498
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:42,080
Speaker 2: a home run. The UFC has gotten much better about this,

499
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Speaker 2: I think you would agree, yes, oh, one hundred percent.

500
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,080
Speaker 4: This has been one of the brighter spots of this

501
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 4: calendar year for the UFC. They're handling of exits, including

502
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,960
Speaker 4: Amanda in the family just throwing down cold ones, Luke

503
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:56,680
Speaker 4: in the middle of that cage, having a dance party

504
00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,159
Speaker 4: like you that doesn't normally happen in the past in

505
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,480
Speaker 4: the UFC. To see them embrace that human side, which

506
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,159
Speaker 4: I think a lot of times we ask more of

507
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,840
Speaker 4: them that they don't do, you know, tell the stories

508
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:10,240
Speaker 4: better like present that they presented the human side and

509
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:13,160
Speaker 4: all of these three recent retirements in a very nice way.

510
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,360
Speaker 2: All right, Now, with that in mind, BC, let's talk

511
00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,919
Speaker 2: a little bit about Max Holloway before I ask what's next,

512
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 2: because that's obviously going to be a part of the conversation.

513
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 2: Let's just take a step back here and ask first,

514
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 2: how did he look to you?

515
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,639
Speaker 4: Not as good as the Arnold Allen fight, but still

516
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,440
Speaker 4: very good? The key question, and you and I sort

517
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:37,959
Speaker 4: of teas it ahead of time of will Korean zombie

518
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,160
Speaker 4: have a moment? Will he be able to land single

519
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 4: huge strikes that can shake Max a little bit? We

520
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,480
Speaker 4: ended up seeing that, and Luke, I think it comes

521
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:49,359
Speaker 4: down to this, Max is still great. I mean, you know,

522
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 4: you take out the third Volkanovski fight, which really showcased

523
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,399
Speaker 4: really how much better Volkanovski is than pretty much everybody

524
00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 4: in the world not named Mahachev. When you look at

525
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 4: the fights around that, the Cater fight, the Arnold Allen performance,

526
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:06,160
Speaker 4: It's still there for Max when he needs it. My fear, though,

527
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,639
Speaker 4: Luke is the overall resistance. We can talk, we talk

528
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:11,680
Speaker 4: ad nauseam about the wars he's been and yet he's

529
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,160
Speaker 4: still able to kind of reinvent himself constantly, and that's

530
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 4: what great fighters do. But the time is ticking on

531
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:20,439
Speaker 4: the amount of clean shots you can take, and a

532
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 4: couple that he took here, granted against a big puncher,

533
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 4: which is, you know, Tkz's calling card. I get a

534
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,880
Speaker 4: little nervous. I'm getting a little nervous that the expiration

535
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 4: on the chin will happen sooner for Max than his

536
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 4: actual degrading of his ability. His ability to me especially offensively,

537
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,399
Speaker 4: especially the way he gained plans and adjusts, is still

538
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:47,359
Speaker 4: super elite, Luke. But sometimes the chin betrays you before

539
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 4: the skills do, and we're not there yet. I'm a

540
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 4: little nervous, Luke, a little nervous about it, a little

541
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Speaker 4: nervous about moving forward.

542
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Speaker 3: I didn't have any of these reservations.

543
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Speaker 2: I'm a little surprised to he I mean it's not

544
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,199
Speaker 2: that I think it's crazy or anything like that, but

545
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 2: I mean, he's thirty one years of age, which is

546
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,399
Speaker 2: not the fair indication of how many miles that he

547
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:10,919
Speaker 2: has in his career. But he's never been dropped. He

548
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:12,920
Speaker 2: got hit with some hard shots and they didn't even

549
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 2: slow him down. I mean, we're talking about one of

550
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,639
Speaker 2: the all time greats in a couple of different ways

551
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:23,120
Speaker 2: in this particular context. In terms of durability, the durability

552
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 2: of Max is legendary. Dude, he has over three thousand

553
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 2: I think minutes, no, sorry, three thousand significant strikes that

554
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:36,439
Speaker 2: he's landed more than that in his career. Like number

555
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 2: two is short by like fifteen hundred, right, I mean,

556
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,399
Speaker 2: they're not even close to this guy in terms of

557
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 2: the amount of times he's just been trading with guys

558
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 2: and obviously doing much more dealing than taking. But nevertheless,

559
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 2: he's been in some knockdown dragouts, never been dropped. He

560
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 2: got hit with the Korean Zombie. Yes, did he look

561
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,719
Speaker 2: better than the Arnold Allen fight? Okay, I agree with that,

562
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:57,879
Speaker 2: but I also think it's partly due to the matchup,

563
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 2: because that was Arnold is much more careful, much more cerebral.

564
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 2: Korean Zombie was literally just walking in trying to get

565
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,640
Speaker 2: a dog fight going, and so he is gonna land

566
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 2: some big punches that way. But I didn't think he

567
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:14,159
Speaker 2: looked worse meaningfully. I mean again, no, I agree that

568
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,919
Speaker 2: the Arnold performance was better, but only because of the

569
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 2: way in which the two guys fought him differently.

570
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 4: You know, part of my take is rooted in the

571
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 4: respect and love I have for Max, and that you know,

572
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 4: he is still so young, just about the odometer being

573
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 4: so high, and I still think he's, you know, title

574
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 4: ready right now. You know it's gonna be tough moving

575
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 4: forward again with the whole Volkanowski situation. But he didn't

576
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 4: dissuade me in that regard. I'm just saying, Luke, when

577
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 4: it goes, it's gonna probably go in a spectacular way.

578
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 4: And although that's this guy's calling card. And although TKZ

579
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 4: was never able to really capitalize on landing one big

580
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 4: shot here or there, it didn't move Max a couple

581
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,400
Speaker 4: of times did rock him. In fact, even what made

582
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 4: maybe the knockout so clean is before that he kind

583
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 4: of got whacked a little bit. But Max hung in there,

584
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:03,919
Speaker 4: you know, stepped in and delivered the big blow. But

585
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,239
Speaker 4: I think there is something to that, even if I'm

586
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 4: ahead of it, even if I'm a little more nervous

587
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,400
Speaker 4: than I should be, I think he's one of those guys, Luke,

588
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 4: where the chin's gonna go before the elitability does. I

589
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 4: just don't want to see that happen, is really what

590
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 4: I'm trying to say here. Okay, But you know, should

591
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:19,360
Speaker 4: he be in a big fight next. Is he still

592
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 4: a legititle contender for this division? Absolutely, and he didn't

593
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 4: do anything to suade that. But uh, you only get

594
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 4: so many, though, Luke, you only get.

595
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 3: Some, get so many. But still I would put him

596
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 3: on poor.

597
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know what the right box in

598
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 2: comparison is and I don't know if our audience will understand,

599
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 2: but it feels a little this is not quite right.

600
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 3: What's the closest comparison Triple G?

601
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 4: In what sense.

602
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 2: To be to have faced so Triple G, I think

603
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 2: is even sturdier. But I get although he got banged

604
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 2: up in a couple of those fights. I guess the

605
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 2: point I want to make is, oh, in terms of

606
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 2: that many dynamic punchers and never go.

607
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,880
Speaker 4: Down, absolutely to Triple G, never down as a pro,

608
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 4: never down in three three hundred and fifty amateur fights

609
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 4: either and has gotten I mean they've slow mowed some

610
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 4: of the shots in Triple G's biggest fights, whether it

611
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 4: be against Canalo or Danny Jacobs. You know, the combinations

612
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 4: or the clean home run left hooks that he's taken

613
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 4: and his chin and entire you know it went that

614
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 4: way and he just turned back and shook it off. Yeah,

615
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 4: Max has a legendary chin on a Triple G level,

616
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 4: there's no question. But Max does show a little bit

617
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 4: more vulnerability in terms of wearing some of that damage

618
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 4: in Triple G does different sports, different circumstances. That it

619
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,120
Speaker 4: has led me to that bit of worry. But Luke

620
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 4: offensively carrying it out. He did what he had to

621
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 4: do in this fight, and he did it efficiently for

622
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 4: the most part. It was just when he got rocked

623
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 4: a couple of times, I was I was hoping we're

624
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 4: all good here, and we were in the end.

625
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, in the end, we were okay.

626
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 2: So it leads to the question of and by the way,

627
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 2: here's the problem, Like, before I even answer the question,

628
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 2: it doesn't really matter who he fights next, whether it's

629
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 2: whether it's Volkanovski a fourth time, whether it's Tuporia, which

630
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 2: I'm gonna ask about a second. It's not like this

631
00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 2: fight told you how either of those are gonna go,

632
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 2: because neither of those guys are gonna fight Max very

633
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 2: much the way in which Korean Zombie did.

634
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 3: But let me ask the question just the same to UBC,

635
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 3: what the hell does the UFC do with this guy.

636
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 2: Max Holloway was at the post five press conference saying,

637
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 2: I'm gonna stay here and keep digging until I get

638
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 2: a title fight.

639
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 3: I want to have a title I want to defend

640
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 3: a few more times. What the hell do they do?

641
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 4: I think he may have to do what he did

642
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 4: right here again, stay busy, and a fight against the name. Now,

643
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 4: this one had special circumstances because of the romanticism of

644
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 4: these two legends having never fought each other, and we're

645
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 4: doing it in Singapore, and it turned out to be

646
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 4: Zombies last fight, and he announced that ahead of time.

647
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 4: So it's sort of like this mull again, stay busy,

648
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 4: show us something, get it done, move forward. The thing

649
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 4: is he may need to do that again, Luke. And

650
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 4: it is dependent obviously upon Volkanovsky and whether we are

651
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 4: going in the direction of a Mahchev rematch in an

652
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 4: eventual move up to one fifty five, or if he's

653
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 4: going to stay the course, which it sounds the more

654
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 4: I listened to Volkanovsky like, he's not against that in

655
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 4: pick apart or Poria, pick apart, who's neckting climbing. If

656
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 4: we are in a season of uncertainty, that is not

657
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 4: leading directly to Volkanowski giving up the title. Then, Luke,

658
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 4: it may have to be another big name rematch, and

659
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 4: I'm talking about Brian Ortega and Yayi Rodriguez, who are

660
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 4: ranked two and three at the moment. There's not a

661
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 4: lot for Max to gain unless he just wants to

662
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 4: stay busy, put on another big performance, remind everybody why

663
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 4: he inevitably deserves another, you know, a fourth shot at Volkanowski.

664
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 4: If that's the case, those would be big fights. You

665
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 4: could feature them prominently, Luke, would you advise him to

666
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 4: tell me to shut the hell up and sit there

667
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 4: until the titles available? I mean, what do you do?

668
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 4: You may have to get creative and look into another

669
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 4: division or go BMF. But it seems like Max's biggest

670
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 4: goal and the reason why he wants to keep going

671
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 4: is not for the money or any of that, Luke,

672
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 4: It is to win back this title. He's the ultimate competitor.

673
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 4: It's ultimately, at the end of the day, fueling his backbone,

674
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 4: fueling his ability to walk through anything. Is this guy's

675
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 4: never gonna stop leaving himself, never gonna stop, you know,

676
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 4: reinventing himself and making a run at being the best

677
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 4: he can be He's still really damn good. I mean,

678
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 4: looka is what if I told you without knowing that

679
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 4: Max is still the second best fatherweight in the world.

680
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 4: So he knows that Volkanovski decides to get off the pot,

681
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 4: the Max can put the shit ground back on and

682
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 4: be the king again. Luke, Okay, he knows that, and

683
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 4: I don't think he's done anything in the Allen or

684
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 4: Cater fights to dissuade that from being true.

685
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 2: If if Vulk had beaten Makachev, would we be having

686
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 2: this conversation.

687
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 4: No, because I think he'd be full time at fifty

688
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 4: five if he did.

689
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with that. I think if you still.

690
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 4: Think he should, look, what is Vulk gonna gain from Tapuria.

691
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 4: I don't understand this, Like I'm if I'm Vulk, I'm

692
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,239
Speaker 4: looking at my age. I'm looking at the situation. I

693
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 4: know there's big money against Mahacha or some level of

694
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 4: big money, you know, and a big opportunity for sure

695
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 4: to redeem himself and announce himself in a new weight

696
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 4: class again. But this is part of me, the Max

697
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 4: fan in me saying, like, Vulk go, so we can

698
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 4: make new match and we can see if Max can

699
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 4: against this new general, I mean Max against Taporia for

700
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 4: the belt. Luke, you'd be fired up for that, wouldn't you?

701
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 2: You'd love that, sup super fired up? Wait wait Max at.

702
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 4: No Max h forty five against Teporia.

703
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 3: Oh against Toporia? Sorry, I miss I misheard you.

704
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 2: H Yes, that dude, that would be great, Dude, Max

705
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 2: versus at Lea Taporia is one of the best fights

706
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 2: you could make at featherweight.

707
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 3: I'm not saying it's Joe.

708
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 4: Are you ready as a as a as a city

709
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 4: kickbox and super fan, are you ready to join me

710
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 4: in the chorus of saying Vulk, we love you so much, man,

711
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 4: but you're the rest of your history. The history that

712
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 4: you're making for your legacy is that fifty five and

713
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 4: you know this, man, So why don't you move now?

714
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 4: So we can do Max versus to Poria and we

715
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 4: got a whole new set of fresh matchups or big

716
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 4: money rematches after that. Imagine if Max win's back the belt,

717
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 4: then suddenly, yeah, here and oteg are huge rematches again.

718
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 4: So I'm saying there's business to be Arnold Allen would

719
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 4: be another huge rematch. There's business to be done. Are

720
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 4: you willing to sit in front of this mic and

721
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 4: tell Vulcan it's time to go to fifty five. Stop dancing.

722
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 2: I will and just one second, so I'll say this,

723
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 2: We've got two ninety four. You'll see two ninety four,

724
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 2: which will be Makachev Olivera two.

725
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:07,479
Speaker 3: I think that.

726
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 2: I mean, it basically doesn't matter either way, but I'll

727
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 2: say this definitely, if Makachev wins, so he's got you know,

728
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 2: basically not quite back to back, but two quick wins,

729
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 2: so to speak over ola Vera, then I think you

730
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 2: just have to do the rematch with Volk after that

731
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 2: and just move him on up. Because to your point,

732
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 2: if like Max, we've seen him at one fifty five,

733
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 2: I just don't think he can win fights there, but

734
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 2: I don't think he's best suited there, whereas I think

735
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 2: Volkanovski would the time that he has remaining in his career,

736
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 2: could be well suited to go to one fifty five

737
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 2: and get some wins, and it's also.

738
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 4: Gonna be a star look for whatever level of stardom

739
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 4: that Volkanowski has not hit, in my opinion, moving up

740
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 4: to lightweight and facing what's left of established names like

741
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 4: Poria Gachee along with chasing the crown would get him

742
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 4: everything he needs or would want, huge money of chance

743
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 4: out of second title and really big names that you

744
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 4: haven't fought yet to completely solidify your journey, which is

745
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 4: making a run at the upper room right now. Volkonovsky's

746
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 4: making a run at trying to become one of the

747
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 4: top five fighters of all time. Luke, I thought, and

748
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 4: he's he's got a chance here. So I need you

749
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 4: to join me collectively and saying, Alexander the great Greatness

750
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 4: is at fifty five, go there, please, let's tell this.

751
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 2: It's interesting the way you put it, because it's almost

752
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,879
Speaker 2: like Max is forcing him to go to one fifty five,

753
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 2: but not in the usual way where it's like, oh,

754
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 2: well here's another young, tough up and comer. It's not

755
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 2: really worth it to him, just go on up. In

756
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 2: this particular case, it's a guy who there there's really

757
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 2: no public appetite for a fourth fight. There's like public

758
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:44,320
Speaker 2: appetite to see Max, I think, get his potential fully

759
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 2: realized if such a thing can happen again. But what

760
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 2: really is sort of motivating this is like they're at

761
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 2: one five. Yes, Volkanovsky can say that I think is

762
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 2: really your point, but all of the interesting fights that

763
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 2: could be remaining, plus what he wants to do in

764
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,439
Speaker 2: turn of his goals, if I understand you correctly, that's

765
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 2: all at one fifty five, Max can't really go to

766
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 2: one fifty five, So you could get a you could

767
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 2: get a neat split in that way where the guy

768
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,720
Speaker 2: you're just too You're it's just he's too.

769
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 3: Good for featherweight.

770
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 2: Max is very good at featherweight, but maybe not quite

771
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 2: in that same dimension. Go to one fifty five and

772
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 2: to your point, get the big names there to only

773
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 2: add to your big name. I think it's I think

774
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 2: you're right, BC, I think you're right.

775
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 4: Well, I just I gotta ask, like what is he

776
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,359
Speaker 4: gained by going and beaten to Poria. I don't think

777
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 4: he gains anything, and only you know what I mean. Like,

778
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,720
Speaker 4: So chase, chase where you can double down on your legacy,

779
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 4: and that would open up a chance not to open

780
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 4: the door for Max, but to open the door for

781
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 4: two guys that are deserving right now, Max Holloway and

782
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 4: Ilia ta Poria for the title. So put him against

783
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 4: each other for the vacant crown, and let's find out

784
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 4: who's next after that, Yeah, I'd love it. But that's

785
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 4: the answer to the question from you of what what

786
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 4: does the UFC do with Max? Because if Vulcan is

787
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 4: going to stay on the crown, which by the way

788
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 4: is his right, then unless you don't, unless you don't

789
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 4: like my ideas of rematching those two big names that

790
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 4: are ranked at two and three, where what else are

791
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 4: you gonna do? Luke, what is it going to be?

792
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 2: So Mikey's asking an interesting question, which is what about

793
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 2: doing with Volk what they did with Anderson Silva. So

794
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 2: folks to know who may not understand this. When Anderson

795
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 2: Silva fought Forrest Griffin, part of that was image rehabilitation.

796
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 2: Like everyone knew he was really good, everyone knew he

797
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 2: was special, but you know, coming off of I forget

798
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 2: the exact timing of it, but after the Demi and

799
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 2: Maya fight, his brand took a huge hit, a monster hit,

800
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 2: and they thought, what are some interesting ways in which

801
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 2: to rehabilitate this? Given them, really, there weren't other interesting

802
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,359
Speaker 2: one eighty five contenders at the time, so they said,

803
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,439
Speaker 2: fuck it, let's just have him fight Forrest Griffin. Forced

804
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 2: Griffin is a was a big two ozho Fiver the

805
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 2: whole nine yards and you guys all saw what happened.

806
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 2: What about that BC where oh, forget the Makachef fight,

807
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 2: forget the Olavera fight, just to have Volkanowski fight more

808
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 2: like to your point, and you didn't exclude these names,

809
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 2: but like going right after the Poia's right after the

810
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 2: Gaeche's not worrying about the title, just big name action

811
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 2: fights where he can shine.

812
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,280
Speaker 4: No for Volkovski, Well, that's a horrible I think Mikey

813
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 4: was presenting to you that they would do that with Max.

814
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 4: By the way, if you did with Volkanowsky, all you're

815
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 4: doing is keeping the belt hijacked at forty five. If

816
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 4: you're going to bring him up for one offs, he

817
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 4: doesn't need image rehabilitation. Max could do big one. Max

818
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,439
Speaker 4: could go the BMF route. If Volk's going to stay put,

819
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 4: that's probably the best chance to do big fights. But

820
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 4: you got to probably do it against lightweights that can

821
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 4: still crack and be in fun, dangerous fights. But there

822
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 4: is something there. The whole point is we all believe

823
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,839
Speaker 4: that you know, Max is good enough to be champion here,

824
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 4: so let's figure out Volk what you're doing. I don't know.

825
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 2: Look, I also I'm gonna argue this, I think that

826
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 2: Taporia versus Holloway is a better fight in the sense

827
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 2: that it's more competitive. I think Volkanovsky's a little bit

828
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 2: too far ahead of Taporia right now. You know, obviously

829
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,479
Speaker 2: Toporia is dangerous and rapidly improving, and he's a threat

830
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 2: to anybody. But I think Max is going to be

831
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 2: a little bit more willing to oblige him in dueling,

832
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 2: whereas a guy like Volkanovsky is not, and that would

833
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 2: change the complexion of the bout. So you actually get

834
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 2: I think a little bit more of a blood and

835
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 2: guts ish affair with the Taporia Holloway contest, which for

836
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 2: a title, if that ends up being what it is,

837
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 2: BC kind of a nice way to do it. Plus

838
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 2: new school old school that whole bit.

839
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 3: Sure.

840
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 4: Sure. My question on the or my reaction to the

841
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 4: Anderson Silver thing is, you know, I don't think those

842
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 4: the division. You know, he was operating in a division

843
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 4: that they needed him to do stuff like this. There

844
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 4: wasn't a bunch of killers coming, you know, up in

845
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 4: line until the Wideman rock Hold level group arrived and

846
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 4: really established himselves, So it was more attraction building in

847
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 4: that regard. I don't think Volk will gain anything in there.

848
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 4: I mean, it's time, it's time for a run at

849
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:41,879
Speaker 4: fifty five. But it's time for me to stop talking

850
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 4: about this.

851
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 3: What else.

852
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, by the way, I got some of the I

853
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 2: got some of the PR wrong. Care Ill he did

854
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 2: wrong myself in real time. So the Patrick Cote fight happened,

855
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 2: which his knee blew out and.

856
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:54,280
Speaker 3: It was weird.

857
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 2: And then the Talis Lighties fight happened, which was not

858
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 2: a disaster, but it was boring. It was not considered good,

859
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 2: was considered to be just whatever and not fun, and

860
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 2: he was overmatched, so then they gave him the Forced

861
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 2: Griffin fight after that. It's actually the Demi and Maya

862
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 2: fight happened after the Griffin fight. And then you might

863
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 2: be asking what happened after Demi and Maya. That's when

864
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 2: Chail Snin swooped in and used all of the bad

865
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 2: PR that was happening around him, which started, by the way,

866
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:21,439
Speaker 2: around the Lightiest fight.

867
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 3: That whole time.

868
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 2: It was obviously a reprieve for Forced Griffin, so it

869
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 2: was not the Maya fight he was trying to fight off.

870
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 3: In terms of bad PR. It was the lighties fight.

871
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 4: Well, the only reason I don't like Mikey's idea of

872
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 4: showcasing Vulcan that same way is if he's going to

873
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 4: stay champion, Max tells know where to go.

874
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean that's sort of the idea, right, because

875
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 2: he didn't give up his middleweight strap to do that.

876
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 3: That would be the point.

877
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Mikey, that would be Max's fault if he

878
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,800
Speaker 4: can't be Vulcan is what it is. You're right, but

879
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 4: I would like some closure on this, Thank you.

880
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 2: Mikey's right in the sense that if Max can't beat him,

881
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 2: whose fault is it? It's it's his own and I

882
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 2: fully understand that. But on some level, it's like, how

883
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 2: do you manage a guy's career in the case of Volkanovsky,

884
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 2: who is trying to pursue like the highest level of

885
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 2: excellence by keeping him in a division that he's already

886
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 2: kind of conquered a few times over and beaten the

887
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 2: very best guy in that division three times, you just

888
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 2: kind of can't get there. Plus, featherweight, I think would

889
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 2: not bloom, but featherweight might have a little bit more

890
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 2: to offer in terms of give and take.

891
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 3: If he does, he's.

892
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 2: Such a powerful force that like, if he leaves the division,

893
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 2: it opens up the parody, or I should yeah, it

894
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 2: opens up the parody a little bit. So anyway, an

895
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 2: interesting set of circumstances to be clear. All right, let's

896
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 2: go to point number two, topic two. So how about

897
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 2: this one?

898
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 3: BC?

899
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 2: This was close, This was real, real close, and I

900
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 2: think it really comes down to a second round error.

901
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 2: But Aaron Blanchfield edges, and I do mean edges Tyler

902
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 2: Santos in a tough decision contest. Now, BC, what did

903
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 2: the prove? Did it prove that Blanchefield was able to

904
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 2: rise to the occasion with high pressure or that Santos

905
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 2: was vastly underrated by a lot of folks, including yours.

906
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 3: Truly?

907
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I proved both at the same time.

908
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 4: I think I got out of this everything I wanted

909
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 4: In terms of the questions I asked, did I think

910
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 4: that Tyler was going to be a very tough striking

911
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 4: out for Blanchfield if she can stuff the takedowns. Well

912
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 4: that's what happened in round one, and Tyler Santos, off

913
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 4: of her own long layoff, coming off of the title

914
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 4: loss to Valentina, looked like a million bucks. Here's what

915
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 4: I underestimated though about Aaron Blanchfield, and am very happy

916
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 4: to find this out, not just the continued evolution of

917
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 4: her cold blooded toughness, because she took big shots, big

918
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 4: counter shots from Tyler Santos, that blood eater nose in

919
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 4: round one, and you know, we had legit questions at

920
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 4: the end of round one, but I underestimated Blanchfield's gas tank. Luke,

921
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 4: she is in. She's a force. So some of those

922
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 4: breakthrough dominant wins, the Molly McCann fight, the just gone

923
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 4: Drodge fight, which I threw out there, Hey there's still

924
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:03,320
Speaker 4: possible ability. This is fool's gold. These are one sided performances.

925
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 4: Although she get tagged a bit against Androge where she

926
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 4: you know, is in first gear and what happens if

927
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,800
Speaker 4: it doesn't go away. Round one did not go away

928
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 4: in a big way against Tyler Santos, and the way

929
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 4: the moxie that Blanchfield showed to make adjustments and then

930
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 4: gas Santos out, we kind of, you know, we got

931
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 4: answers to all our questions. Tyler Santos is better than

932
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,839
Speaker 4: people give her credit for. But she did. Blanchfield did

933
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 4: find her weakness in using round two to be just

934
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 4: a scramble fest and constantly try to get her down,

935
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 4: and doing that, she succeeded in weaponizing her cardio, and

936
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 4: I wasn't sure Blanchfield had that in her, Luke, Blanfield's

937
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 4: an absolute force. And I did see a little bit

938
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 4: of a mix of people's responses in terms of is

939
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 4: she is. Did she prove to be against Santos as

940
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 4: good as you thought she was coming in And some

941
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 4: people were disappointed because maybe they expected another piece of

942
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 4: one way traffic. I come out more on the Blanchfield

943
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 4: train now after finally getting to see the level of

944
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:04,320
Speaker 4: high resistance and seeing the adjustments she made. Her striking's

945
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 4: not perfect, but she made really smart adjustments in the

946
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,760
Speaker 4: second and third round in order to, you know, stop

947
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 4: the trend that was happening around one, which was her

948
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 4: getting pieced up with hard shots, the mixture, the threat

949
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 4: of the wrestling. There was a lot to really like

950
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,839
Speaker 4: about Blanchefield, and I think she's only gonna keep getting better.

951
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 4: At twenty four. This is a big win in my

952
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 4: eyes for her, Luke, and I think she's you know,

953
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 4: I think she's ready. I think she's ready now. I mean,

954
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 4: she's gonna keep getting better. If she doesn't get the

955
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 4: title shot next, there's still room to grow. But this

956
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 4: is what I wanted to see. I wanted to see

957
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 4: her get dirty and get in there and look at

958
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,919
Speaker 4: how she passed that test. Yeah was a close fight. Yeah,

959
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 4: you can make a case for Santos. But because Blanchefield was,

960
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:45,800
Speaker 4: even though we're not scoring this from Pride rules, because

961
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 4: she had figured Santos out, made the adjustments and then

962
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,800
Speaker 4: was outlasting her and out working her in the third round,

963
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 4: I don't have to bring up that it was a

964
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:56,399
Speaker 4: close fight and you could have scored it the other way.

965
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 4: I was fine with two to one Blanchfield. She completely

966
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 4: turned the tables on Santo's, made that fight her own

967
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 4: and had to go through some legit adversity to do.

968
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 3: So.

969
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 2: Let me ask you a question then, because I have

970
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,280
Speaker 2: a slightly different view. I mean, I think I generally

971
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 2: agree with the broad strokes, but not totally.

972
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 4: Do you say broad strokes because they're women, Luke.

973
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 2: Because certainly not. Okay, The question is this for you?

974
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 2: What would you consider to be a fair criticism of

975
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 2: Aaron Blanchfield's performance on Saturday?

976
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 4: Her I believe her striking in general, from head movement

977
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 4: defense to getting off her strikes is still a big

978
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 4: work in progress. I think she's finding out how to

979
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 4: supplement it to be a threat. And she she you know,

980
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 4: she gave Tyler Santo's a couple of things to think

981
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 4: about with some overhand rights, but it's not perfect. I

982
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 4: do believe it's going to get better. She's only twenty

983
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 4: four and she continues to climb the ladder at a

984
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 4: high pace. So luke that biggest weakness I'm talking about,

985
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 4: Actually she used it as a strength, even though it's

986
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 4: it's a little bit raw and limited, and so I

987
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 4: don't I don't know right now what the big weakness is.

988
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 4: I'd like to see more head movement and defense. But

989
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 4: she seems to have a huge chin on her. She

990
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 4: definitely has the eye of the tiger. I mean she

991
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:12,320
Speaker 4: is coming on to take over, take over the world.

992
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 4: I mean it's a you know, we questioned after interviewing her,

993
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 4: because she was almost like nonchalant, almost naive about talking

994
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 4: about yeah, I'll go up there Fi Valentina and now

995
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 4: obviously Grosso's a champion, and we're like, man, maybe she

996
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 4: doesn't realize it shouldn't be this easy. No, Luke, I

997
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 4: was wrong. She's wired to be a champion. So the

998
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 4: only thing I could say is her striking. If you

999
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 4: show me a picture of this fight and five fights

1000
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 4: for now, it's gonna look completely different. She's gonna get

1001
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:43,399
Speaker 4: better very quick in that category. But I don't see

1002
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 4: many other glaring things jumping out. What about you?

1003
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:49,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think again, So I'll ask myself

1004
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 2: the same question I asked you, which was what is

1005
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 2: a fair A fair criticism of Aaron Blanchfield's performance. I

1006
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 2: think one to show that, yes, she went up against

1007
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 2: an opponent who was very tough. It's not easy to

1008
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 2: take Tyla Santo's down, but I did think she was

1009
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 2: gonna have more success than she did, and there was

1010
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 2: a copple. I mean, she got close several times. So

1011
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 2: I guess what I would say is understandable that taking

1012
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:13,280
Speaker 2: down Santos was tough, but it also kind of shows

1013
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 2: there's a level of finishing refinement on some of these

1014
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 2: takedowns that can be achieved that needs to be I

1015
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 2: think that's fair to say. That's the first one, the

1016
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 2: one that was a little bit more concerning to me,

1017
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 2: and when I rewatched the fight, I didn't see it

1018
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 2: quite as badly the second time, but still enough that

1019
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,720
Speaker 2: I think it deserves mention. You see this a lot

1020
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 2: in MMA, and it drives me kind of nuts, especially

1021
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 2: because in mma, as opposed to boxing, they stand a

1022
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 2: little bit further apart, and so you can do this

1023
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 2: a little bit more easily. Again, relatively speaking, this is

1024
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,240
Speaker 2: a high level of MMA contest. But faking and fainting

1025
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 2: before striking. She did a little bit of that, where

1026
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 2: like she would kind of fake low and then come

1027
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 2: over the top and some of that would land. But

1028
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 2: then you had Santos counter striking the whole time, and

1029
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 2: not just counter striking. Did you notice she was always

1030
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 2: finishing last, and usually with a kick, so she was

1031
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 2: all was finishing last, all was going last, always going last,

1032
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 2: and all of it landed all the time.

1033
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 3: But the point I wanted to make was she was

1034
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 3: doing what I like to call jousting.

1035
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 2: Sometimes not every time, but she was doing it where

1036
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 2: you know, you just kind of just go when the

1037
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 2: person moves into position, or go when you feel the

1038
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 2: moment is right, rather than getting them to more calculatedly

1039
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 2: transfer defense or bite on a particular look like, for example,

1040
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 2: like you think of the better strikers, some of them

1041
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 2: do a little bit of jousting, but in general not Bolkanowski.

1042
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 3: Does not do that. Is he does not do that right.

1043
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 2: These are guys that make you set up in a

1044
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 2: certain way and walk you into things when they can,

1045
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 2: or they just completely trick you the whole way.

1046
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 3: This was to me.

1047
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 2: She's twenty four and it's understandable that she fights this way,

1048
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 2: but to me, the criticism would be she's so full

1049
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 2: of not just energy. She had great cardio by the way,

1050
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 2: we should note that like that was on point. But

1051
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:52,359
Speaker 2: she's got a real pressure heavy style. Not a thing

1052
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 2: wrong with it, but to beat the elite guys, you

1053
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 2: can see a pressure heavy style without the requisite pre

1054
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 2: strike or pre engagement calculation, it only gets you so far.

1055
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 2: And this one, to me came down to that second

1056
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 2: round when Santos went for that like lateral drop and

1057
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 2: then basically just pulled blanch Shield on top of her.

1058
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 2: We should be honest, be see if she doesn't do that. Yes,

1059
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:17,959
Speaker 2: I think if it had been a five round fight,

1060
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 2: Blanchfield would have worn her down.

1061
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 3: That to me, I don't think is in dispute, but

1062
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:22,439
Speaker 3: it wasn't.

1063
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:24,879
Speaker 2: It was a three round contest, and who's to say

1064
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 2: how the rest of the fight would have gone. But

1065
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 2: I mean to be that razor thin between victory and

1066
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 2: defeat by the error of an opponent that you didn't

1067
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 2: force them to make, they made on their own. You know,

1068
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 2: some rethinking I do believe needs to happen if you're

1069
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 2: in her corner, in her camp, about getting some of

1070
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 2: that refinement over the hump.

1071
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 4: No doubt, no doubt she's able, and this is exactly

1072
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 4: what she did arounds two and three. She's able to

1073
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 4: lean on these what are seemingly large and tangibles, the

1074
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 4: weaponization of her cardia, which I did not know she had.

1075
00:48:56,320 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 4: I mean it absolutely absolutely Warren down Side, who could

1076
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,760
Speaker 4: have been the champion right, looked like over five rounds

1077
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 4: she had done enough against Valentina, and after doing that,

1078
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,439
Speaker 4: after getting pieced up so badly in round one, yet

1079
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 4: keeping the composure, she leaned on her composure, her toughness,

1080
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 4: her gas tank, all of that, and it kind of

1081
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 4: in the end made up for some of the mistakes.

1082
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 4: I agree, you're right, which is which is Here's what's interesting.

1083
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 4: I think it's this fight, which Blatsfield won, and the

1084
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 4: Rose versus manal Faro fight, which is gonna be this

1085
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 4: coming Saturday, as sort of a final four, like who's

1086
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 4: coming out, who's gonna look the best to get that

1087
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:37,359
Speaker 4: next title shot. I almost don't want her to get

1088
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 4: it yet. If she gets to the title level, Let's

1089
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 4: say Grosso defends it and beats Valentina on the rematch,

1090
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 4: which is the week after in September, could she win

1091
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 4: before her game fully gets refined and rounded out. Could

1092
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 4: she become champion? It's possible. She has the moxie, Like

1093
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 4: I said, you have all the other things there. But

1094
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,319
Speaker 4: I'd almost like to see her have to get one

1095
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,839
Speaker 4: more because you know, I did have questions Luke based

1096
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 4: on the resume, were the fights that she dominated more

1097
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 4: about the opponent and more about you know her, No,

1098
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:10,479
Speaker 4: she showed again, she showed me against Tyler Santos that

1099
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 4: that she's got what she needs. It's just not perfected yet.

1100
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 4: So I'd almost like, you know, her to take one

1101
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:21,360
Speaker 4: more short of that. But what can you say negative

1102
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 4: about some of those you know, foundational elements to her, Luke.

1103
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 4: She should not she should not have car, she should

1104
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 4: not have weaponized cardio on that level, but it might

1105
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 4: be enough to win a championship with that, Like it's

1106
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:36,839
Speaker 4: that good comparatively in a great division, by the way,

1107
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,879
Speaker 4: which is wild. So I got to cardio is great.

1108
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:44,359
Speaker 2: Listen, Kane Velasqua has had great wrestling, Kane Velaska has

1109
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 2: actually had pretty decent striking, and Kane Alaska is obviously

1110
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 2: a terrifying grounding pound. But the thing that brought it

1111
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 2: all to life was the dude was a heavyweight. Who

1112
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:55,400
Speaker 2: could you know have cardio like a flyweight. I mean,

1113
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:58,479
Speaker 2: you just had never seen anything. Like we're not saying

1114
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 2: Blanchfield is on that lie level. But the point I

1115
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:04,919
Speaker 2: agree with you, like that that cardio that she has, Dude,

1116
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 2: that's gonna be a force for any single person she

1117
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:10,720
Speaker 2: goes up against, especially when she gets to main events,

1118
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 2: especially when these main events are obviously going to be

1119
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 2: title fights. Like it's just gonna be a serious problem

1120
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 2: for everybody else. And I also want to say something too.

1121
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 2: You may have noticed this the commentary team didn't pick

1122
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 2: up on, at least not in real time. I don't

1123
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 2: know if they would angle they were looking at. Do

1124
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 2: you remember the pass that she got? I think in

1125
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 2: the second round that she got it. She got it

1126
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 2: was actually off of that. Maybe it was off the

1127
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 2: field takedown, but whatever it was. And she moved all

1128
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 2: the way out and Michael Bessy was like, oh, she's

1129
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:35,359
Speaker 2: looking for an arm bar.

1130
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:36,800
Speaker 3: It kind of looked that way. It wasn't.

1131
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 2: It's actually called a sal apollo pass or a tozy pass.

1132
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 2: It's the same one that Dricus hit on Robert Whittaker.

1133
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 2: You know, that's a very hard pass to get, and

1134
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 2: not just that, it's the kind it's a smash pass, right,

1135
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:50,359
Speaker 2: So it's the kind of pass that you get from

1136
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 2: literally forcing your opponent into such a contortion that they

1137
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 2: have to open their guard and let you pass in

1138
00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 2: order to relieve the pressure. That's actually how it works, dude.

1139
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 2: Like she's out there rough housing these people, you know.

1140
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 2: So this is what I mean, a little bit more

1141
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 2: refinement in some of the finishing details. She's already got

1142
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:12,399
Speaker 2: the physical presence, she's already got the cardio, she's already

1143
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 2: got a lot of other things. Killer, But I agree

1144
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 2: with you, I don't want a title fight to be

1145
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 2: next because the foundation, the cement on the foundation hasn't

1146
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 2: quite dried. Yet it's almost there, but not enough for

1147
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,799
Speaker 2: me to be like confidently saying, oh, she can beat

1148
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 2: anyone in this division on any night.

1149
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:31,840
Speaker 3: I'm not so sure that's true right at this second.

1150
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 4: That was interesting that you use the term smash pass.

1151
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 4: Not only have I never heard that before, but I

1152
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 4: thought it was some type of skitting bit leading to

1153
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 4: talk about O'Malley's marriage. But that was well done by you, Luke.

1154
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 2: Let me just tell you, man, Let me just tell you.

1155
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, no one cares what the fuck

1156
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 2: I think. But open relationships, open relationships, dude, Yeah, I mean,

1157
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 2: uh uh, unless you're unless you're in a cult, or

1158
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 2: you're like you know, I don't know, I don't know.

1159
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:03,319
Speaker 2: I don't know who makes polygamy a big big deal

1160
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 2: these days. But in general, uh, it won't. It won't

1161
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 2: work out well for you, especially with the divorce lawyers. Okay,

1162
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 2: anything we want to say about Tyler Santos and where

1163
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:15,240
Speaker 2: she goes from here, still a viable candidate, by the way, Yeah,

1164
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:17,799
Speaker 2: I think it's her stock. Her stock kind of went

1165
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:19,360
Speaker 2: up a little bit, right.

1166
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:22,280
Speaker 4: I agree, even though she lost the fight and would

1167
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:24,839
Speaker 4: only have herself to blame for faltering and as you said,

1168
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 4: potentially that mistake on the ground. But look, would you

1169
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 4: agree with me that after Ron one it looked like

1170
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 4: she might be the next champion, like she was big, counterpunching, stiff.

1171
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:35,720
Speaker 3: Shot wrong, too strong, control.

1172
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 4: Distance very well. Did we did? We find out though

1173
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 4: in this fight that that that she still got some deficiencies. Yeah, Luke,

1174
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 4: she gassed out. That's why she lost the fight. We

1175
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 4: could say it's close, but she lost this fight because

1176
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 4: she gassed out on the ground. That's a true fact, Luke.

1177
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:51,399
Speaker 4: And that's tough to swallow. But I think it can

1178
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 4: be you can. I think you can fix that. I

1179
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:54,879
Speaker 4: think you can still fix it at this point.

1180
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:57,360
Speaker 2: Yes, I do believe that as well. So she she

1181
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:00,879
Speaker 2: definitely outperformed what I thought was possible. And but that

1182
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 2: second round lateral drop where you just throw someone on

1183
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 2: top of you, that was costly to put it mild

1184
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 2: okay BC. With that in mind, let's talk about another

1185
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 2: fight on this two more fights on this card.

1186
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 3: I really want to get to one. How about this one?

1187
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:15,720
Speaker 3: Topic number three? Anthony Smith. He did get it done

1188
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 3: against Ryan Span, but barely.

1189
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 2: So it leads me to a point here where, like

1190
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 2: I thought, What was interesting for Anthony Smith was he

1191
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 2: got hit with that left hand that really blew up

1192
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 2: his left eye, and I thought the fight might have

1193
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 2: been over there, but he hung on and he got

1194
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 2: it done so showed incredible toughness. Then he was interviewed

1195
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 2: by his podcast co host Michael Bisbing, and he was like,

1196
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 2: you know, for thirty five, this is pretty.

1197
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 3: Good, which I agree with.

1198
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 2: However, at thirty five it's not really clear exactly what

1199
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 2: the next step would be. And frankly, for Ryan Span,

1200
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 2: I guess, you know, continue to hang around and take

1201
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 2: more interesting fights as a thing, But I don't know,

1202
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 2: like all these to fight two of five fights happened,

1203
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 2: and I never feel like it gives us a lot

1204
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 2: of clarity about two FI. What did you learn from

1205
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:01,399
Speaker 2: this car.

1206
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 4: Say it, I learned a lot because a lot ultimately

1207
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 4: went down in this weird rematch of a fight. So

1208
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:11,319
Speaker 4: let's be honest about what the design was to see

1209
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 4: if Anthony Smith at his age can still be a

1210
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:16,879
Speaker 4: you know, either a super elite gaate keeper or has

1211
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:18,759
Speaker 4: one more run at the bell in him, which I'm

1212
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 4: sure is a big part of the motivation to get

1213
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,840
Speaker 4: him back after big defeats like this, and in that regard,

1214
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 4: they gave him a guy he had already finished, but

1215
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:28,839
Speaker 4: a guy who, if Smith wasn't still that guy, could

1216
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 4: have issues against. Overall, Smith showed me he still got it, Luke.

1217
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 4: There was a rejuvenation, especially early in this fight with

1218
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 4: the striking and the setups and the like. You can

1219
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:42,400
Speaker 4: see that he's not willing to go away quietly, and

1220
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:46,280
Speaker 4: I think was able to resuscitate his name and hold serve,

1221
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 4: which again was the point of this. The only issue

1222
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 4: I had, Luke, because I don't think he won the fight.

1223
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 4: I thought Span won that two to one, and I

1224
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 4: don't I don't think. I thought it was fairly clear

1225
00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 4: by my eyes that Span won at two to one,

1226
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 4: and I I was surprised to see that result at

1227
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:04,399
Speaker 4: the end. But it's one of those fights that whether

1228
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 4: he did win it or lose it, I think he

1229
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 4: won the narrative of what we were trying to find

1230
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 4: out at his age. It did not bad for his age,

1231
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:15,399
Speaker 4: absolutely not bad, because it's showing you, Luke, that he's

1232
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 4: still working at it, that he's still trying to find

1233
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 4: new ways to be better. And I think it would

1234
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 4: have been different if he went out there and only

1235
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 4: took a ton of punishment. And it's not like he

1236
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:26,279
Speaker 4: didn't take punishment. His eye was gnarly, and I was

1237
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 4: worried it would ultimately cost him the fight in a

1238
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 4: stoppage loss. Short of that, did he take big shots? Yeah, well,

1239
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:35,960
Speaker 4: Anthony Smith does. He gets in there and fights. But

1240
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:38,399
Speaker 4: for what he's trying to prove and show. I think

1241
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:40,879
Speaker 4: he proved it, Luke, I think he did. I'm okay.

1242
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 4: I'm okay with him moving forward. I thought this was

1243
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:46,439
Speaker 4: a nice little comeback. But I know I'm giving mixed

1244
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:47,880
Speaker 4: messages and telling you I didn't think he won. I

1245
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 4: didn't think he won, Luke, But I like the performance.

1246
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 3: I okay.

1247
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:54,879
Speaker 2: So all right, so we agree Smith won the first round,

1248
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,400
Speaker 2: and we definitely agree Span won the second, very easy call.

1249
00:56:57,440 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 2: So it really just comes down to the third round

1250
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 2: in real time. I will tell you how I felt

1251
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 2: about it. I watched it, and I go, okay, definitely

1252
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:07,880
Speaker 2: could go either way. You know, you just know, like

1253
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 2: that's just what it could be. But I thought that

1254
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:13,759
Speaker 2: Smith had edged it for sure personally. Now that was

1255
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 2: personally speaking. Let me give you the fight metric odds here.

1256
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 2: If I may because I didn't know this until just now.

1257
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 2: I was like, what does the odds, what do the

1258
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 2: numbers say?

1259
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 3: Dude?

1260
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 2: The biggest striking differential, And again these are quantitative totals.

1261
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:30,440
Speaker 2: How much they differ qualitatively is a different consideration, but quantitatively,

1262
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:35,040
Speaker 2: the biggest difference numerically in terms of what Smith landed

1263
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 2: Overspan happened in round three rounds one, Smith to Span

1264
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 2: twenty four to ten.

1265
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 3: That makes sense. Round two and we were both twenty two.

1266
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 2: But again, the qualitative difference there would clearly go in

1267
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 2: favor of Ryan Span. In round three, Smith forty five,

1268
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 2: Span twenty seven. I mean that's you know, I kind

1269
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 2: of felt like he did. He was a little bit

1270
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 2: busier and he landed a little bit better, But you know,

1271
00:57:58,160 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 2: you never know where the judges it could go either.

1272
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 2: In that sense, I'm surprised you thought it was a

1273
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:04,919
Speaker 2: clean round or clean ish round for Span.

1274
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 3: Why was it a cleanish round?

1275
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd have to rewatch now, Luke, You're you're forcing

1276
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 4: me to reawaken to that. In the moment, I felt

1277
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 4: like it was two to one Smith or Span. But

1278
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 4: I but I get what you're saying on that, and

1279
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 4: I'd actually like to rewatch that today, Luke to figure

1280
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 4: that out. Then if we cancel that side of it

1281
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 4: and my concerns there, do you echo what I'm saying

1282
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 4: that what Anthony Smith was trying to accomplish of this fight,

1283
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 4: did he expect to get his eye mangled in a near,

1284
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 4: you know, serious way?

1285
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 3: No?

1286
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 4: But good lord, the moxie, the toughness, the rebound ability

1287
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 4: that he showed, and the evolution of his game altogether.

1288
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 4: Would you echo what I'm saying like Anthony Smith showed

1289
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 4: us He's still there.

1290
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 2: He's still here, man, I think he I you know,

1291
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:46,440
Speaker 2: I have great respect for Anthony as a talent and

1292
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 2: as a tough guy.

1293
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 3: He has, you know, more.

1294
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 2: Than earned my respect on both of those accounts. And

1295
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 2: I do agree. I do agree. You get a hard

1296
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 2: earned win like this one, especially after getting your whole

1297
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 2: eye just mangled in the second then coming out in

1298
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 2: the third, even though even if you thought span win,

1299
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 2: just to force for Smith to kind of collect himself

1300
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 2: and go back out there and fight, I thought was very,

1301
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 2: very impressive. The only thing that I would say is,

1302
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 2: and I say this out of someone with great admiration

1303
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 2: for him at thirty five dude, he's getting hurt every

1304
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 2: time he's going in there, win or lose. That's the

1305
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 2: part to me, that's a bit of a problem. And

1306
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:22,680
Speaker 2: some of these win, you know, the injuries are you know,

1307
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 2: are happening related to the fight event, and some are

1308
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 2: just you know, a combination of age or the wrong

1309
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:28,560
Speaker 2: step or whatever.

1310
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 3: But I don't know.

1311
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 2: Man, Like at thirty five, he's getting he's just get

1312
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 2: taking a lot more damage than I, if I'm being honest,

1313
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:38,600
Speaker 2: more damage than I am comfortable watching most of the time.

1314
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 2: So I would say that you're right, he did. You

1315
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 2: get a win like this, You keep it moving, Let's

1316
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 2: see what's next. It's an interesting conversation about Ryan Span

1317
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 2: because dude, this was dude, this was his shot. This

1318
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 2: was a great opportunity to beat a guy with a

1319
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 2: name who the UFC has kind of positioned as a

1320
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 2: broadcaster at times, certainly an on screen analyst who does

1321
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 2: analysis work and of course he does a podcast with

1322
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 2: Michael Bisbing and everything else in between. And he had

1323
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:13,440
Speaker 2: this guy really, really really hurt in the second. If

1324
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:15,919
Speaker 2: you're Ryan Span, there are some questions to be asked

1325
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:19,240
Speaker 2: about how did you let this guy off the fucking hook.

1326
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 3: What would you say?

1327
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm with you on that. I mean, did you

1328
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 4: think that fight was gonna get stopped in round too?

1329
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 4: I thought it was.

1330
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 3: I did.

1331
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 2: I thought, I thought, Oh, that looks real bad. He

1332
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:32,800
Speaker 2: hit him with a flying knee, right, or knocked him

1333
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 2: down with one. I forget the exact scene.

1334
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 4: He did get him with a flying knee, but it

1335
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:38,760
Speaker 4: was the punch that just blew up the eye because

1336
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 4: of the the the sharp angle.

1337
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 3: Yes, but I'm saying what knocked him off his feet?

1338
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 3: Whatever that was.

1339
01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 2: When he fell off of his feet, I was like, Oh,

1340
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 2: because Ryan SPAN's gonna just unload here and that's going

1341
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 2: to be that. And then it just didn't And I

1342
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 2: was like, dude, this this was his chance to turn

1343
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 2: the corner from being kind of like a guy who

1344
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:01,560
Speaker 2: fights some of the more profile names in the division

1345
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:03,920
Speaker 2: to just kind of staying where he is, which is

1346
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:05,960
Speaker 2: not the end of the world, but not it's not

1347
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 2: an elevation, it's not an escalation.

1348
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 3: This was a great chance for him. It just it

1349
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 3: just didn't work. I agree. I agree, all right with

1350
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 3: that in mind, let's go to the last fight of

1351
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:18,160
Speaker 3: note from this card, which of course was the return

1352
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 3: of Gigachikanzi. He gets a decision win in his return.

1353
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:25,200
Speaker 2: It was a weird fight over Alex Casseres. But bc

1354
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:28,080
Speaker 2: question to you is as follows. He got the win,

1355
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 2: he looked I thought for the most part fine right,

1356
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:36,760
Speaker 2: had a really gung ho post fight speech. Did he

1357
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 2: look to you like a real title threatening contender at one.

1358
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:45,080
Speaker 4: For a lot of this fight, Yes, it would have

1359
01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 4: been great catapulted with the exclamation point of a finish,

1360
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:51,280
Speaker 4: without question, But we did have to put more respect

1361
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:52,800
Speaker 4: on Bruce Lee where his name would come in with

1362
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:54,720
Speaker 4: seven wins in eight fights, and you know he was

1363
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:57,800
Speaker 4: able to wield some of that heavy power from Giga

1364
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:01,040
Speaker 4: and then find moments of countering too. But yeah, Luke,

1365
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 4: this was a reinvention. There was a lot of time off,

1366
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 4: and you have to believe the one sided nature of

1367
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 4: that humbling five round loss to Cater really caused, really

1368
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:10,840
Speaker 4: forced Giga to go back to the drawing board and

1369
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 4: kind of figure things out, what's missing? What am I

1370
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 4: doing wrong in that regard with the time off, and

1371
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:19,120
Speaker 4: in a tough fight here over fifteen minutes, I'm happy.

1372
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:21,480
Speaker 4: I'm happy moving forward here, Luke, He's back he's back in.

1373
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:21,880
Speaker 3: A big way.

1374
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 4: The post fight speech, which we'll see and have you

1375
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:25,920
Speaker 4: seen this shit was kind of quirky, but also kind

1376
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:28,400
Speaker 4: of like his way of showing us that he's still

1377
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:31,200
Speaker 4: a force. I don't leave this fight questioning that Luke.

1378
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 4: I did have questions with the performance against Cater This

1379
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:35,400
Speaker 4: was the right rebound at the right time.

1380
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:39,080
Speaker 2: I felt, okay, what about it with this particular formance.

1381
01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:41,760
Speaker 2: What would you say was the best thing that Gigachikazzi

1382
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:42,200
Speaker 2: showed you?

1383
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:45,760
Speaker 4: Lane clean strikes, Lan clean, hard, heavy strikes put be

1384
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 4: an intimidator. I mean, there were moments I thought he

1385
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 4: had hurt Caserra's hurt where he could would have where

1386
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:54,160
Speaker 4: he was closer to it to a stoppage then ultimately happened.

1387
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:57,560
Speaker 4: But you sound like you've got you've got some ill

1388
01:02:57,600 --> 01:02:59,240
Speaker 4: repair you want to share here, not.

1389
01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 3: Exactly, not a exactly.

1390
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 2: I think when you're off this long and the premium

1391
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:05,520
Speaker 2: is going to be, just get the W, you know,

1392
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:09,160
Speaker 2: just get the W. I think it's just unfair for

1393
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:11,360
Speaker 2: a guy to be expected to go out there and

1394
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:13,560
Speaker 2: just razzle dazzle you, you know, so, I don't want

1395
01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:15,200
Speaker 2: to be clear, that's not what I'm doing here at all.

1396
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 2: I thought he got a harder and win, no doubt

1397
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:20,120
Speaker 2: about it. But the disparity in strikes between them, now,

1398
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:24,479
Speaker 2: Jakadzi had the superior number in round one, in round three,

1399
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:26,720
Speaker 2: but not in round two. But listen to the disparity

1400
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:30,160
Speaker 2: in total strikes landed seventeen to fifteen in favor of Giga,

1401
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 2: twenty three to twenty four in favor of Alex, and

1402
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:34,880
Speaker 2: then twenty five to twenty three in favor of Giga.

1403
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:37,560
Speaker 2: The one thing that I would say surprise me was

1404
01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:40,840
Speaker 2: not that it wasn't Giga's best performance ever or something

1405
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 2: like that. I fully expected them to be a little

1406
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 2: bit rusty when it all worked out. I just thought

1407
01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 2: he could have done a little bit more work. I

1408
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:51,000
Speaker 2: thought the work rate was surprisingly a little bit low,

1409
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:54,400
Speaker 2: you know, I think it might match some of his

1410
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:57,840
Speaker 2: more average No, actually, eh strikes not in permitt it's

1411
01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:00,280
Speaker 2: about a little higher than four. So he did didn't

1412
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:03,200
Speaker 2: take as much a damage, but he didn't quite. He

1413
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:05,480
Speaker 2: didn't step on the gas pedal of this one a

1414
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:07,240
Speaker 2: little more than I thought he could have.

1415
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:08,640
Speaker 3: Not recklessly. That's not what I'm saying.

1416
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:11,320
Speaker 2: That's not what I'm saying, but the fact that every

1417
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 2: round was kind of numerically close, that they basically were

1418
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:16,800
Speaker 2: doing the not the same quality, but the same level

1419
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:21,200
Speaker 2: of more or less activity. That surprised me a little bit,

1420
01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 2: am I.

1421
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:24,160
Speaker 4: I mean, you got no. I think some of that

1422
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:27,640
Speaker 4: falls into what Alex Casarras was doing here, having won

1423
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:30,480
Speaker 4: seven of eight coming in and just not going away quietly.

1424
01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:33,200
Speaker 4: It seems like anytime Giga did land a big combination

1425
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:36,000
Speaker 4: or a big shot, there was a counter. There was

1426
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:39,080
Speaker 4: sort of something to give Giga pause from maybe doing

1427
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:41,520
Speaker 4: exactly what you wanted him to do. I give him

1428
01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 4: the pass for not getting the finished considering the level

1429
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 4: of the opponent across from him and the time off,

1430
01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:50,919
Speaker 4: but I could see what you're saying. I mean, maybe

1431
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:53,800
Speaker 4: it's the next fight that fully decides exactly where he's going.

1432
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:55,920
Speaker 4: I just think, all things considered, I saw the mean

1433
01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:57,800
Speaker 4: streak back in him. I saw a lot of what

1434
01:04:57,840 --> 01:04:59,960
Speaker 4: I need to see. But it's just a tough opponent.

1435
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:02,840
Speaker 4: I mean, look, I'm waiting for you to finally put

1436
01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:06,360
Speaker 4: some respect on Bruce LeRoy's name, and not necessarily for

1437
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 4: his critical standing, but more than show him the respect

1438
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:10,840
Speaker 4: enough to pronounce his last.

1439
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:13,840
Speaker 2: I asked more different Native Spanish speakers yesterday because I

1440
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:16,120
Speaker 2: had a bunch over how to pronounce it. It's casserous.

1441
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:20,000
Speaker 2: So it's definitely not to take that one to somebody else. Okay, well, Luke, hold,

1442
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:20,880
Speaker 2: I'm going to work here.

1443
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:23,200
Speaker 4: Do you admit that in the past you had the

1444
01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:25,840
Speaker 4: same one sided feeling that you were right on Ronda's

1445
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:27,600
Speaker 4: last name until we played you the video of.

1446
01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:29,800
Speaker 3: No, I didn't. I wasn't nearly as confident. I wasn't

1447
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:30,600
Speaker 3: nearly confident.

1448
01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 4: But we had an argument about Bruce Leroy in the

1449
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:34,720
Speaker 4: past in which I said, well, if Annix says it

1450
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:36,440
Speaker 4: this way, and you were like, I don't care what

1451
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:39,080
Speaker 4: Annix says. I want to hear a native speaker. Would

1452
01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:42,240
Speaker 4: it change your opinion about what Bruce Leroy says? Mikey

1453
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:53,200
Speaker 4: hit it. Hey, my name is Alex Casarras from the UFC.

1454
01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:57,840
Speaker 4: Oh whoa, whoa, look at that look?

1455
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:01,160
Speaker 2: I mean, yes, that's what he tells English speaking audiences.

1456
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:03,040
Speaker 2: Let's see what he tells Spanish speaking audience.

1457
01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:05,400
Speaker 4: You can tell your Ford Native speakers that you talk to,

1458
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:07,640
Speaker 4: unless any of them are related to you. Where to

1459
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 4: shove it, Luke, And if they're related.

1460
01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:12,240
Speaker 2: To great find me someone who speaks Spanish who pronounces

1461
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:15,080
Speaker 2: it Casserras doesn't doesn't exist.

1462
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:18,880
Speaker 4: The point is, it's like, does it look like ses.

1463
01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:20,760
Speaker 3: It's Marty from Nebraska all over again.

1464
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:24,400
Speaker 2: People who have names from different languages, they will tell

1465
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:27,280
Speaker 2: English speaking audiences how to pronounce it a certain way

1466
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:29,920
Speaker 2: so that the same thing. Is it Adrian Yanez or

1467
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:31,040
Speaker 2: is it Adrian Yanyez?

1468
01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 3: Which one is it?

1469
01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:35,400
Speaker 2: Because he tells everybody it's Janez on purpose so he

1470
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:37,760
Speaker 2: doesn't have to deal with people fucking up his last name.

1471
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:41,880
Speaker 2: That's why it's it's Marty from Nebraska all over again.

1472
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:44,000
Speaker 4: I know, I don't think so, Luke, I don't think

1473
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:44,480
Speaker 4: in this case.

1474
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:46,960
Speaker 2: If he's sure, like on that video, I'm sure he

1475
01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:49,000
Speaker 2: tells other people, like other Americans.

1476
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:51,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's Cassras. I have no doubt, no doubt.

1477
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:53,919
Speaker 4: I'm just saying, doesn't it come down to the horse's mouth?

1478
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:55,680
Speaker 4: Doesn't it come down to the fighter. If he says

1479
01:06:55,720 --> 01:06:56,760
Speaker 4: it's this, it's this, I'll tell you.

1480
01:06:56,760 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what if if if he tells uh

1481
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:03,320
Speaker 2: anyone else who speaks Spanish it's Casserras, I will completely

1482
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:05,200
Speaker 2: say let's serve up crow.

1483
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:09,320
Speaker 4: I will eat it sad wrong for the future. Okay,

1484
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:12,000
Speaker 4: that's funny that you got.

1485
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:13,880
Speaker 3: That ready though, that's funny. That's a good bit. I

1486
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:15,520
Speaker 3: see you.

1487
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:17,960
Speaker 4: I forgot the guy's name that DM me that. He's like,

1488
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:19,320
Speaker 4: please play this for Luke tomorrow.

1489
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:22,200
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, again, telling English speaking audiences how to

1490
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:23,720
Speaker 2: pronounce it doesn't prove jack shit.

1491
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:27,080
Speaker 4: But okay, well, yeah, but you're you're aggressively.

1492
01:07:28,080 --> 01:07:30,920
Speaker 2: About this, if you guys, if you guys, I mean,

1493
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:33,720
Speaker 2: I don't understand the confidence that y'all have to look

1494
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:35,920
Speaker 2: at a name that is common in this part of

1495
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:38,000
Speaker 2: the world and then to look at it and be like,

1496
01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:41,040
Speaker 2: oh no, no, the gringo way of pronouncing it, that's

1497
01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:42,000
Speaker 2: the correct way.

1498
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:44,840
Speaker 3: I don't understand that. I don't get that. And like,

1499
01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:49,040
Speaker 3: we have other examples of Latino guys automatically changing their

1500
01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:52,120
Speaker 3: names to American audiences, and it doesn't at least at

1501
01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:54,439
Speaker 3: least give you a little bit of pause about how

1502
01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:57,400
Speaker 3: people navigate these worlds between two languages.

1503
01:07:58,720 --> 01:08:01,400
Speaker 4: I don't I don't make judgments based on where people

1504
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:03,400
Speaker 4: are from. I let them tell me how to say

1505
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:05,840
Speaker 4: their name. Okay, that's the difference between you and me.

1506
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:07,320
Speaker 4: I mean, really, that's it, right, Yeah.

1507
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:09,960
Speaker 2: I pronounce words the best I can, according to the

1508
01:08:10,040 --> 01:08:10,840
Speaker 2: language that they're in.

1509
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:11,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true.

1510
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:14,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, you put the language above the person though.

1511
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:19,799
Speaker 2: No I do the I know I don't. I put

1512
01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:22,639
Speaker 2: the language in its proper position.

1513
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:23,559
Speaker 3: That's what I do.

1514
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:25,840
Speaker 4: There, unless they're not be.

1515
01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:29,439
Speaker 2: I know this whole bit like Luke is an elitist asshole.

1516
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:30,760
Speaker 2: He likes to do stuff like this.

1517
01:08:31,280 --> 01:08:31,920
Speaker 3: But we men know.

1518
01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:34,920
Speaker 2: But when you actually know people in the world who

1519
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 2: have had to change the way they pronounce their name

1520
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:40,240
Speaker 2: to just fit into other places, it gives you a

1521
01:08:40,280 --> 01:08:43,720
Speaker 2: little bit of pause about declaring what you see. When

1522
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:46,719
Speaker 2: you see other people like that trying to navigate those spaces,

1523
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:49,360
Speaker 2: it can't be easy for him. Maybe he's just comfortable

1524
01:08:49,400 --> 01:08:51,400
Speaker 2: doing that. That could be the case. But what I'm

1525
01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:53,600
Speaker 2: trying to tell you is it's not a name that

1526
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:56,080
Speaker 2: only he and his family have. It's a vast name

1527
01:08:56,120 --> 01:08:58,760
Speaker 2: across a vast expanse of the world. And every time

1528
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:00,559
Speaker 2: I find a native speaker to look at it, whether

1529
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:05,240
Speaker 2: they're from Guatemala, Colombia, Mexico, they all pronounce it.

1530
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:08,000
Speaker 3: Cassidas, all of them, all of them. So I'm just

1531
01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:09,120
Speaker 3: trying to explain something to you.

1532
01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:11,599
Speaker 2: He might be navigating the world in the best way possible,

1533
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:13,040
Speaker 2: or he can tell me it's pronounced that way.

1534
01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:14,760
Speaker 3: I will eat shit for it, I am.

1535
01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:17,600
Speaker 2: But I'm a little bit skeptical that him talking to

1536
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:20,840
Speaker 2: English speaking audiences is the most accurate reflection of what

1537
01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:21,439
Speaker 2: his name is.

1538
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:25,439
Speaker 4: That's all, okay, all right, I mean, I mean that's fair,

1539
01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:26,360
Speaker 4: that's a fair comeback.

1540
01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:28,040
Speaker 3: But I have to say, I have to say, that's

1541
01:09:28,040 --> 01:09:30,000
Speaker 3: a good bit you pulled. I ain't even mad at

1542
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:32,000
Speaker 3: the bit. The bit is funny. The bit is funny.

1543
01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:34,879
Speaker 2: Any final thoughts on him, By the way, his record,

1544
01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:38,200
Speaker 2: his record is weird, right when cours LeRoy's record is

1545
01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:40,639
Speaker 2: sitting in just this bizarre place. He wins a couple,

1546
01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:43,439
Speaker 2: he loses, he wins a couple. He's like thirty five

1547
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:46,840
Speaker 2: and like better than ever kind of sort of right.

1548
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:49,080
Speaker 4: Kind of. But this was the fight he needed to

1549
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:52,360
Speaker 4: win against a name who had questions coming off of

1550
01:09:52,400 --> 01:09:54,360
Speaker 4: loss in a long layoff, And again I thought he

1551
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:58,280
Speaker 4: fought well, which is what I believe stopped Giga from

1552
01:09:58,320 --> 01:10:00,400
Speaker 4: from putting on the kind of performance we all would

1553
01:10:00,439 --> 01:10:02,519
Speaker 4: have wanted. To say, oh he's back with a bang.

1554
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:04,320
Speaker 4: Put him in a title shot, or put him up

1555
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:07,519
Speaker 4: against the number two or three guy. I'll give bruth

1556
01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:10,160
Speaker 4: s Leroy credit for that, but look, he also needed

1557
01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:13,200
Speaker 4: this win to get out of that grouping of sort

1558
01:10:13,240 --> 01:10:15,160
Speaker 4: of you know a guy that will juggle winning or

1559
01:10:15,160 --> 01:10:17,160
Speaker 4: a loss here and there, here and there. Seven of

1560
01:10:17,160 --> 01:10:19,880
Speaker 4: eight has been great, but you need name value on there.

1561
01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:22,559
Speaker 4: This was that chance. And you know, I don't know, Luke,

1562
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:23,760
Speaker 4: I don't know how he gets out of this and

1563
01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:26,439
Speaker 4: makes another run. Uh, maybe you gotta double down and

1564
01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:28,320
Speaker 4: go right back in another tough matchup and try to

1565
01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:29,400
Speaker 4: try to score a big win. Here.

1566
01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:31,920
Speaker 2: He's coming off two wins, and obviously this one was

1567
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:33,920
Speaker 2: a loss, but I'm saying before that, the Juliana Rossa

1568
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:36,000
Speaker 2: win and then the Daniel Pinedo win, like those were

1569
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:38,880
Speaker 2: two good ass wins and it wasn't like he got

1570
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:41,000
Speaker 2: beat up in this one.

1571
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:41,800
Speaker 3: Exactly.

1572
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:44,040
Speaker 2: I don't think he's fell that far. I mean, I

1573
01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:45,920
Speaker 2: know your point, I agree with it. There was a

1574
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:49,040
Speaker 2: graduation opportunity here that kind of fell short of. But nevertheless,

1575
01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:51,040
Speaker 2: it didn't do major damage. I'll put it that way.

1576
01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:52,960
Speaker 2: It didn't do major damage to his standing. He's still

1577
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:55,960
Speaker 2: pretty pretty good, pretty useful as a as a real

1578
01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:57,360
Speaker 2: quality test for opponents.

1579
01:10:57,360 --> 01:10:57,639
Speaker 3: I think.

1580
01:10:58,240 --> 01:11:00,559
Speaker 2: All right, with that in MINDBC, let's go the one

1581
01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:04,840
Speaker 2: kind of boxing note we had over the weekend. An

1582
01:11:04,840 --> 01:11:07,559
Speaker 2: interesting one, a weird one, right, what would you say,

1583
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:10,880
Speaker 2: something a little bit unusual. So here's what happens the

1584
01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:15,000
Speaker 2: here's the overall result. Alexander Usik stops Daniel Dubois in

1585
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:16,960
Speaker 2: the ninth round basically with a jab, which was kind

1586
01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:19,320
Speaker 2: of interesting. He scored two knockdowns in the fight. The

1587
01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:21,439
Speaker 2: second one was the one obviously that closed the show.

1588
01:11:21,479 --> 01:11:24,040
Speaker 2: He never he got counted out and then stood up

1589
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:25,840
Speaker 2: after the counter right as the count was ending.

1590
01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:27,479
Speaker 3: That was it, So he scores it.

1591
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:31,640
Speaker 2: Usik scores a ninth round stoppage, but there was a

1592
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:36,600
Speaker 2: fifth round weird shot. Now, I believe we have a

1593
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:38,680
Speaker 2: little bit of footage to go over here before I

1594
01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:41,280
Speaker 2: spin it back to you, BC, if we can, I

1595
01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:43,839
Speaker 2: want to take a look at this, if at all possible.

1596
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:45,200
Speaker 2: I don't know if Mike you can punch it up

1597
01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:47,799
Speaker 2: or not. Yeah, here we go. This is the shot

1598
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:52,240
Speaker 2: right there, that's the shot in question, that's the one

1599
01:11:52,439 --> 01:11:56,320
Speaker 2: everyone has talked about it's that shot that is technically

1600
01:11:56,400 --> 01:11:59,280
Speaker 2: below or at however you want to describe it, the

1601
01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:01,200
Speaker 2: belt line. Now, I've been a little bit of research

1602
01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:03,080
Speaker 2: on this. I got some opinions, but BC, you're the

1603
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:06,160
Speaker 2: boxing guy, so you go first question number one?

1604
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:07,639
Speaker 3: Was it a low blow?

1605
01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:10,040
Speaker 4: My response is almost a tail of two cities here

1606
01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:12,920
Speaker 4: because I did not watch this fight live, but was

1607
01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:15,519
Speaker 4: but knew about the results because I was running an

1608
01:12:15,560 --> 01:12:18,000
Speaker 4: errand in between a long day watching fights and got

1609
01:12:18,040 --> 01:12:20,840
Speaker 4: a lot of dms from fans with that video. So, hey, BC,

1610
01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:23,519
Speaker 4: is this on the like legit so? Or is this

1611
01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:25,559
Speaker 4: on the up and up or not? So if you

1612
01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:29,080
Speaker 4: only saw that footage we just showed you, it's a

1613
01:12:29,160 --> 01:12:32,720
Speaker 4: borderline shot, and I'm here to say that most referees,

1614
01:12:33,080 --> 01:12:36,120
Speaker 4: you know, or a lot of referees, would have allowed that,

1615
01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:38,360
Speaker 4: and that would have been a knockdown effect. People were

1616
01:12:38,360 --> 01:12:40,840
Speaker 4: even bringing up footage from earlier in Usik's career. I

1617
01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:43,080
Speaker 4: forgot the opponent where the same thing happened. There was

1618
01:12:43,160 --> 01:12:46,360
Speaker 4: a borderline shot. He went down, thought he was gonna

1619
01:12:46,360 --> 01:12:48,360
Speaker 4: get time, but the referee rule did a knockdown and

1620
01:12:48,479 --> 01:12:51,200
Speaker 4: Usik popped right back up and dealt with it. If

1621
01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:54,639
Speaker 4: you're only looking at that footage, it looks okay, it does,

1622
01:12:55,479 --> 01:12:58,479
Speaker 4: but there are two elements that shrump that footage won,

1623
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:02,000
Speaker 4: the letter of the law and to the referees discretion.

1624
01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:04,320
Speaker 4: So here's what I mean. The letter of the law

1625
01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:06,920
Speaker 4: on the rules of a low punch are that the

1626
01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:10,080
Speaker 4: navel the belly button is the line, and if a

1627
01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:14,439
Speaker 4: punch touches even in partial below the belly button, it's

1628
01:13:14,479 --> 01:13:17,920
Speaker 4: officially a low blow. That punch right on that logo.

1629
01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:20,760
Speaker 4: Because Usik, after getting up did kind of pull his

1630
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:22,439
Speaker 4: trunks up a little so you could see where his

1631
01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:24,519
Speaker 4: navel was. It was right at the top of that

1632
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:28,960
Speaker 4: belt line. So technically, yes, officially, technically that's a low blow.

1633
01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:32,200
Speaker 4: But even what trump's the letter of the law during

1634
01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:36,600
Speaker 4: a fight is referees discretion. Unfortunately, for this fight, we

1635
01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:40,160
Speaker 4: got Luis Pabone, who does not have a good reputation

1636
01:13:40,200 --> 01:13:44,000
Speaker 4: in boxing, mostly for the Vladimir Klitchko championship fight against

1637
01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:48,080
Speaker 4: Alexander Povetkin in Moscow, in which Pabone allowed Klitchko to

1638
01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:51,840
Speaker 4: lean all over pavet Can and constantly follow him and

1639
01:13:52,040 --> 01:13:54,600
Speaker 4: just you know, just clench him and elbow him and

1640
01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:57,200
Speaker 4: lean on him in ways that just didn't give Pavekin

1641
01:13:57,240 --> 01:14:00,000
Speaker 4: even a chance to compete in that fight. Pabone's been

1642
01:14:00,200 --> 01:14:02,880
Speaker 4: largely hit or missed since then, although he did the

1643
01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:06,599
Speaker 4: usik Aj rematch without a major issue. When you see

1644
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:08,840
Speaker 4: Luis Pabone out there, and in fact you can search

1645
01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:11,280
Speaker 4: your favorite boxing writers on Twitter and search their history,

1646
01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:15,080
Speaker 4: people are usually saying bad things than good things. Pabone

1647
01:14:15,160 --> 01:14:18,400
Speaker 4: in when they referees instructions when they round camera in

1648
01:14:18,439 --> 01:14:21,000
Speaker 4: the ring did not mention the belt line at all,

1649
01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:23,759
Speaker 4: which means he talked to them in the locker room before,

1650
01:14:24,120 --> 01:14:27,519
Speaker 4: which is standard for everyone. So it actually comes down

1651
01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:31,200
Speaker 4: to wherever Luis Pabone in the locker room told them

1652
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:34,040
Speaker 4: was a legal punch or not. Basically, he's setting his

1653
01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:36,000
Speaker 4: own line that they have to deal with. It's like

1654
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:39,400
Speaker 4: an umpire having his own strike zone. Right. But in

1655
01:14:39,439 --> 01:14:42,479
Speaker 4: the third round, two rounds before the body shot knockdown,

1656
01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:45,320
Speaker 4: Usak got hit in the exact same spot with the

1657
01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:48,599
Speaker 4: exact same type of punch by Dubois, and right away

1658
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:51,280
Speaker 4: Pabone said nope, that's a low blow and went and

1659
01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:53,519
Speaker 4: put in Duba's face and warned him so what I'm

1660
01:14:53,560 --> 01:14:56,000
Speaker 4: basically saying is with the combination of the locker room

1661
01:14:56,040 --> 01:14:59,519
Speaker 4: talk and that instruction in round three, and the fact

1662
01:14:59,560 --> 01:15:02,160
Speaker 4: that popone a round five when the punch happened right

1663
01:15:02,160 --> 01:15:05,280
Speaker 4: away said Nope, it's a low blow. It's a low blow, guys,

1664
01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:07,880
Speaker 4: it's legally a low blow based on the rules and

1665
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:11,040
Speaker 4: pabone's discretion. Trump's that and it was a low blow.

1666
01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:14,960
Speaker 4: That doesn't mean there's no problems with what happened, right,

1667
01:15:15,320 --> 01:15:19,439
Speaker 4: And the biggest problem was pa Bone giving Usik the

1668
01:15:19,479 --> 01:15:22,439
Speaker 4: full five minutes, forcing him to take the full five minutes,

1669
01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:25,080
Speaker 4: and then afterwards when Usik said no, I'm ready, let's fight,

1670
01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:28,840
Speaker 4: encouraging him to take even more time, which made no sense,

1671
01:15:29,080 --> 01:15:31,960
Speaker 4: and began to scream an idea of impropriety that the

1672
01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:35,320
Speaker 4: favored champion Usik was getting special treatment. I also think

1673
01:15:35,439 --> 01:15:37,639
Speaker 4: Usik sold the punch too much. I'm not gonna say

1674
01:15:37,640 --> 01:15:39,840
Speaker 4: it didn't hurt because legal or not. Right on the

1675
01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:42,559
Speaker 4: belt line, we've all been kicked above the crotch before,

1676
01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:44,920
Speaker 4: right or had some type of mishap there. You can

1677
01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:46,719
Speaker 4: get the same feeling of getting hit in the crotch.

1678
01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:48,519
Speaker 4: I have no question that that hurt and he was

1679
01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:51,680
Speaker 4: reacting to that. But once he knew, which was instantly,

1680
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:53,719
Speaker 4: that it was going to be ruled in a legal punch.

1681
01:15:54,200 --> 01:15:56,120
Speaker 4: I think Usik milked it too long and then when

1682
01:15:56,160 --> 01:15:58,519
Speaker 4: he was given that extra time, it made it look bad.

1683
01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:01,479
Speaker 4: Did it look bad? Yes, but based on everything I

1684
01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:05,160
Speaker 4: just said, shouldn't have been a knockout win for Daniel Dubois. No. Look,

1685
01:16:05,200 --> 01:16:07,400
Speaker 4: the answer is no, it actually played out the way

1686
01:16:07,640 --> 01:16:09,600
Speaker 4: legally and all things considered, it was supposed to.

1687
01:16:10,280 --> 01:16:12,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's a great answer. That's a great answer.

1688
01:16:12,680 --> 01:16:14,400
Speaker 2: I'm only glad you clarify it that way. Are there

1689
01:16:14,439 --> 01:16:20,160
Speaker 2: other bouts that Luis Pebon has had a similar impact

1690
01:16:20,280 --> 01:16:23,280
Speaker 2: making questionable decisions in the middle of a fight.

1691
01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:26,080
Speaker 4: Yeah. I laid out for you the Pavuccn versus Clitchco

1692
01:16:26,160 --> 01:16:30,080
Speaker 4: heavyweight title fight Moscow, in which he tarnished his reputation.

1693
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:32,200
Speaker 4: And then since then, like I said, you can search

1694
01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:34,439
Speaker 4: on Twitter he's hit or miss in the big moment.

1695
01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:34,920
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1696
01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:39,000
Speaker 2: Sorry, sorry, Okay, fair enough. So if you can show Mike,

1697
01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:40,240
Speaker 2: if you don't have it, it's okay. But if you

1698
01:16:40,240 --> 01:16:43,160
Speaker 2: have the replay, show it one more time, one more time. Guys,

1699
01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:48,640
Speaker 2: pay attention, not the thumb, just the knuckles right on Dubois,

1700
01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:51,040
Speaker 2: just the knuckles there. If you look at just the

1701
01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:53,880
Speaker 2: knuckles and not the thumb, it actually I mean, you

1702
01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:56,599
Speaker 2: can look one more time. Just look at the knuckles right.

1703
01:16:56,840 --> 01:16:59,800
Speaker 2: You see it's significantly lower, and the trajectory of the

1704
01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:02,519
Speaker 2: punch BC as you can see, it's coming up this way.

1705
01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:04,680
Speaker 2: So folks, you're kind of getting it where the at

1706
01:17:04,680 --> 01:17:06,600
Speaker 2: the end of the strike zone, like where where the

1707
01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:09,679
Speaker 2: catcher is then moving it to a little bit versus

1708
01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:12,240
Speaker 2: more where it's making initial contact. But if you look

1709
01:17:12,280 --> 01:17:14,479
Speaker 2: at just that and then you look at the space

1710
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:17,000
Speaker 2: to your point, anything below the navel in Nevada is

1711
01:17:17,040 --> 01:17:19,559
Speaker 2: the rule. I looked up the rule in California, it's

1712
01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:23,080
Speaker 2: anything below the hip line, although the rules themselves don't

1713
01:17:23,080 --> 01:17:27,320
Speaker 2: specify the hipline and it's measured different ways. But in

1714
01:17:27,320 --> 01:17:30,360
Speaker 2: this particular case, however, the rules were whatever ruleset was

1715
01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:33,519
Speaker 2: governing them. You're right, it is technically a lowbo Here's

1716
01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:35,360
Speaker 2: where my question comes into play. It's not so much

1717
01:17:35,360 --> 01:17:39,840
Speaker 2: about the pabon side one. I'm surprised that about that's

1718
01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:42,120
Speaker 2: airing on ESPN. I granted it was in Poland and

1719
01:17:42,160 --> 01:17:46,320
Speaker 2: everything else I understand, but bouts of significance. Why isn't

1720
01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:48,839
Speaker 2: there more instant replay? Is one thing I would say

1721
01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:52,680
Speaker 2: the crowd sorry the British commentary was talking about vaar'

1722
01:17:53,240 --> 01:17:55,240
Speaker 2: I'm not so talking about vrs and things from soccer.

1723
01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:56,760
Speaker 3: If you don't know, BC, we don't need that.

1724
01:17:56,800 --> 01:17:59,200
Speaker 2: But there is a question of instant replay and sort

1725
01:17:59,200 --> 01:18:00,559
Speaker 2: of here's the other part.

1726
01:18:00,439 --> 01:18:02,960
Speaker 3: To me that I well, actually, you know what answer

1727
01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:03,479
Speaker 3: that one? First?

1728
01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:06,879
Speaker 2: Why why isn't there more instant replay for main events

1729
01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:07,479
Speaker 2: in boxing?

1730
01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:11,000
Speaker 4: It's based on the state and the commission and the

1731
01:18:11,080 --> 01:18:13,720
Speaker 4: ruling there, and it's usually a messy thing on top

1732
01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:15,840
Speaker 4: of that in terms of the execution of it for

1733
01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:18,080
Speaker 4: the most part, But in this case it wasn't there.

1734
01:18:18,120 --> 01:18:21,000
Speaker 4: I mean, look like, whether it's you just mentioned, you

1735
01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:23,639
Speaker 4: just illustrated how state by state the rules can be different.

1736
01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:25,559
Speaker 4: It can be the navel or in California says it's

1737
01:18:25,560 --> 01:18:27,479
Speaker 4: the hip line or whatever. It comes down to what

1738
01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:30,040
Speaker 4: the referee says, not just in the locker room beforehand,

1739
01:18:30,040 --> 01:18:32,479
Speaker 4: but most importantly in the moment. And in the moment,

1740
01:18:32,479 --> 01:18:34,559
Speaker 4: po Bone called it a low blow, So it's a

1741
01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:36,559
Speaker 4: low blow no matter what I get what you're saying.

1742
01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:39,439
Speaker 4: Could we have should we have had a replay that

1743
01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:41,880
Speaker 4: could have changed this. My only issue is that is

1744
01:18:41,880 --> 01:18:44,600
Speaker 4: it would have stopped the fight, probably for even longer

1745
01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:47,160
Speaker 4: than the time Pabone gave Usik. And I think it

1746
01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:49,800
Speaker 4: would have been inconsequential in the end because it's close.

1747
01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:53,080
Speaker 4: It's borderline technically legally it did stray below and if

1748
01:18:53,080 --> 01:18:55,760
Speaker 4: it strays and even touches below, that's where it is.

1749
01:18:56,160 --> 01:18:58,400
Speaker 4: If this was rule they knocked down in the moment,

1750
01:18:58,520 --> 01:19:00,719
Speaker 4: we would have to go with that. Nusik had to

1751
01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:02,479
Speaker 4: suck it up, hurt and get up and try to

1752
01:19:02,479 --> 01:19:04,720
Speaker 4: get there. It really comes down to the referee.

1753
01:19:04,840 --> 01:19:07,400
Speaker 3: But man, okay, so let me ask you this level then,

1754
01:19:07,920 --> 01:19:08,720
Speaker 3: and I also.

1755
01:19:08,439 --> 01:19:10,439
Speaker 4: Want to have this based on what you're saying about

1756
01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:13,479
Speaker 4: Poland not being maybe a key spot for a huge

1757
01:19:13,479 --> 01:19:16,280
Speaker 4: fight this big. It was raining out and they had

1758
01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:18,320
Speaker 4: nothing in terms of they had a top to the ring,

1759
01:19:18,560 --> 01:19:21,559
Speaker 4: but it was ill equipped for rain. The ring was wet,

1760
01:19:21,640 --> 01:19:23,479
Speaker 4: and the you know, Usik slipped at one point and

1761
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:26,040
Speaker 4: nearly went down. And then also Anthony Yiggett on the

1762
01:19:26,120 --> 01:19:31,040
Speaker 4: undercard basically dealt with negligent medical attention on site after

1763
01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:34,320
Speaker 4: his loss, uh, just to Baron Chick and so all

1764
01:19:34,360 --> 01:19:36,679
Speaker 4: in all, this looked a little bit like a clown show,

1765
01:19:36,720 --> 01:19:39,720
Speaker 4: Luke in terms of the commission and organization of it.

1766
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:43,719
Speaker 4: But again on that decision, referees call, that's what pobone did.

1767
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:44,920
Speaker 4: That's it. That's that's it.

1768
01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:46,240
Speaker 3: Yeah. Also, I don't know if you saw this.

1769
01:19:46,280 --> 01:19:47,920
Speaker 2: I didn't say anything on Friday show, but like the

1770
01:19:48,479 --> 01:19:50,599
Speaker 2: graphic they had for the way in for this fight,

1771
01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:53,720
Speaker 2: it said the weight in, not the way in. So

1772
01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:55,559
Speaker 2: it's like I wonder if there was a native speaker

1773
01:19:55,560 --> 01:19:58,200
Speaker 2: who was building all the stuff out the hereing right there.

1774
01:19:58,400 --> 01:20:04,160
Speaker 2: Here's my question, how come I've seen certain referees not

1775
01:20:04,360 --> 01:20:06,960
Speaker 2: just allow it in real time, but even at the

1776
01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:10,400
Speaker 2: instructions when they're facing off, say, certain shots on the

1777
01:20:10,439 --> 01:20:11,559
Speaker 2: belt line are okay.

1778
01:20:12,160 --> 01:20:12,760
Speaker 3: Why is there?

1779
01:20:13,200 --> 01:20:15,479
Speaker 2: Maybe the answer is referee discretion, but it seems like

1780
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:18,160
Speaker 2: I can understand why certain fans are at a bare

1781
01:20:18,240 --> 01:20:19,639
Speaker 2: minimum confused.

1782
01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:21,439
Speaker 3: They're like, I see guys land this all the time.

1783
01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:23,719
Speaker 3: I think, why is this one so different?

1784
01:20:24,120 --> 01:20:28,080
Speaker 4: Because what said during the forced handshake and the referee

1785
01:20:28,120 --> 01:20:31,280
Speaker 4: instructions in the ring is really just a summation of

1786
01:20:31,320 --> 01:20:34,479
Speaker 4: the fifteen minute speech that the referee gives both fighters

1787
01:20:34,479 --> 01:20:37,360
Speaker 4: and their teams in the locker room beforehand about all

1788
01:20:37,520 --> 01:20:39,880
Speaker 4: the rules when they do it sometimes on TV, just

1789
01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:42,679
Speaker 4: to reiterate it's more for our visual to see, okay,

1790
01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:44,920
Speaker 4: just because the trainers are standing right behind them as

1791
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:47,320
Speaker 4: they close up, and it's referees saying of a reminder,

1792
01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:49,800
Speaker 4: this is the line. It would have helped if we

1793
01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:51,639
Speaker 4: can go back and rewatch the tape and Pabone had

1794
01:20:51,640 --> 01:20:54,040
Speaker 4: done that. He didn't. He kind of pointed toward the waist,

1795
01:20:54,160 --> 01:20:57,519
Speaker 4: but didn't really define it. But he clearly does that

1796
01:20:57,560 --> 01:20:59,320
Speaker 4: in locker room because it's part of the job. You

1797
01:20:59,439 --> 01:21:01,880
Speaker 4: have to. So the fighters knew. And look, you know,

1798
01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:04,519
Speaker 4: and I bring up that third round shot, same exact shot.

1799
01:21:04,720 --> 01:21:08,800
Speaker 4: Pabone instantly ruled it a low blow. It's referees call

1800
01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:10,680
Speaker 4: and all this stuff. That's what it is, so like,

1801
01:21:11,240 --> 01:21:14,800
Speaker 4: don't I don't know why people were I don't know. Look,

1802
01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:17,080
Speaker 4: the question comes down to this, if pa Bone had

1803
01:21:17,160 --> 01:21:20,360
Speaker 4: ruled it a legal shot in the moment, would of

1804
01:21:20,600 --> 01:21:23,599
Speaker 4: Usak have gotten up? That's the real question here that people.

1805
01:21:23,360 --> 01:21:25,840
Speaker 3: But nobody knows the answer to that. It's impossible to know.

1806
01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:29,640
Speaker 4: So what are we supposed to do here? It's pa

1807
01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:32,200
Speaker 4: Bone's call and letter of the law. It's true, it

1808
01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:34,200
Speaker 4: was a loll blow, That's what it is. It's just

1809
01:21:34,280 --> 01:21:37,599
Speaker 4: he shouldn't have given Usik twenty five minutes to figure

1810
01:21:37,640 --> 01:21:39,200
Speaker 4: it out. I mean, that was bs that was, But

1811
01:21:39,240 --> 01:21:42,280
Speaker 4: that's that's the highest level in boxing. We got Lawrence Cole's,

1812
01:21:42,320 --> 01:21:44,719
Speaker 4: We've got Louise pa Bone's. We've got these guys Luke

1813
01:21:45,000 --> 01:21:47,800
Speaker 4: who freeze in the big moment, never seemed to catch

1814
01:21:47,840 --> 01:21:50,760
Speaker 4: a receipt for it, and are shoved out first in

1815
01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:52,519
Speaker 4: line when we have a big fight. Once again, that's

1816
01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:55,160
Speaker 4: a larger issue that than anything Usik did.

1817
01:21:55,280 --> 01:21:55,479
Speaker 6: You know?

1818
01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:56,360
Speaker 3: Okay?

1819
01:21:56,920 --> 01:21:59,800
Speaker 2: Is there now an argument to be made because afterwards

1820
01:21:59,880 --> 01:22:02,360
Speaker 2: or lots of people who had found footage from various

1821
01:22:02,400 --> 01:22:05,360
Speaker 2: fights I think all of them really a cruiserweight maybe

1822
01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:09,599
Speaker 2: one from joshuall but whatever where he took a shot

1823
01:22:09,640 --> 01:22:12,280
Speaker 2: to the mid section, and some of them were quite

1824
01:22:12,360 --> 01:22:15,240
Speaker 2: legal and he went down or was like visibly affected

1825
01:22:15,280 --> 01:22:18,120
Speaker 2: by it. Can we now affirmatively conclude that if you're

1826
01:22:18,160 --> 01:22:21,559
Speaker 2: gonna fight Usick, it appears that his endurance and I

1827
01:22:21,560 --> 01:22:25,200
Speaker 2: should say durability to the body is questionable, yes.

1828
01:22:25,360 --> 01:22:27,760
Speaker 4: And Tim Bradley, who I think is really starting to

1829
01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:29,400
Speaker 4: stand out. I know he's got some shtick that people

1830
01:22:29,439 --> 01:22:32,120
Speaker 4: don't like, but Tim Bradley on the ESPN call at

1831
01:22:32,120 --> 01:22:35,080
Speaker 4: the start of round one said Dubois only chances by

1832
01:22:35,080 --> 01:22:36,759
Speaker 4: going to the body, and he gave all the reasons

1833
01:22:36,840 --> 01:22:38,880
Speaker 4: why you would want to do that. I think it

1834
01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:42,439
Speaker 4: plays into this. Part of what makes what Usik is

1835
01:22:42,479 --> 01:22:47,000
Speaker 4: doing at heavyweight so beautiful, so incredible, so extreme art

1836
01:22:47,560 --> 01:22:49,439
Speaker 4: is that he's so small for heavy I know he's

1837
01:22:49,439 --> 01:22:52,160
Speaker 4: six ' three, but you know he's a cruiserweight physically, Luke.

1838
01:22:52,200 --> 01:22:54,920
Speaker 4: He takes on a lot of damage to win these fights,

1839
01:22:54,960 --> 01:22:57,200
Speaker 4: like Pakia Pakia when he was running up all the

1840
01:22:57,200 --> 01:22:59,160
Speaker 4: way to Margarito. You know, on that one hundred and

1841
01:22:59,160 --> 01:23:01,880
Speaker 4: fifty pound catch found catchweight fight. He took a beating

1842
01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:04,400
Speaker 4: in that fight, even though he dominated Margarito, because he's

1843
01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:07,720
Speaker 4: facing such bigger guys. I think at times Usik has

1844
01:23:07,720 --> 01:23:09,760
Speaker 4: looked a little bit more human in some of these

1845
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:12,640
Speaker 4: heavyweight fights, particularly the Derk Chasaur fight, which was his

1846
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:16,559
Speaker 4: first big test in the division. Because styles make fights,

1847
01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:18,640
Speaker 4: and the guys that are able to use their physicality

1848
01:23:18,640 --> 01:23:21,519
Speaker 4: on him you know, he's got a really good chance

1849
01:23:21,560 --> 01:23:25,080
Speaker 4: and he's bitten down on some big shots, but it's

1850
01:23:25,120 --> 01:23:27,840
Speaker 4: physically taxing. He even said after that first AJ win

1851
01:23:28,120 --> 01:23:30,040
Speaker 4: that he was hurt. He didn't show it, but he was.

1852
01:23:30,120 --> 01:23:32,280
Speaker 4: You know, he was beat up in that fight. So

1853
01:23:32,320 --> 01:23:34,960
Speaker 4: I think that, you know, the box, look, the body

1854
01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:37,840
Speaker 4: thing is smart because he's a mover for the most part, usik,

1855
01:23:38,080 --> 01:23:40,000
Speaker 4: especially if he's ever going to be in trouble, you're

1856
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:42,160
Speaker 4: gonna really see him move. But look, I think what

1857
01:23:42,280 --> 01:23:46,680
Speaker 4: makes him great is he's welcoming so much risk and

1858
01:23:46,720 --> 01:23:49,680
Speaker 4: bigger men across from him. But dude, he operates right

1859
01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:51,639
Speaker 4: in front of you. For being a guy who's known

1860
01:23:51,680 --> 01:23:54,720
Speaker 4: as a trickster, a classy box or a technical you

1861
01:23:54,720 --> 01:23:57,240
Speaker 4: know fiend, he does stand right in front of you

1862
01:23:57,280 --> 01:23:59,800
Speaker 4: and he's there for you to take big swings at.

1863
01:23:59,800 --> 01:24:02,120
Speaker 4: Like he he dares to be great and dares to

1864
01:24:02,160 --> 01:24:05,559
Speaker 4: take on danger in such an extreme way that being

1865
01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:07,840
Speaker 4: physical with him and slowing him down is the only

1866
01:24:07,840 --> 01:24:08,559
Speaker 4: way you're gonna be.

1867
01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:11,400
Speaker 3: I will tell you what though, was kind of interesting.

1868
01:24:11,439 --> 01:24:13,600
Speaker 2: So in the ninth when it all finally stopped, he

1869
01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:15,439
Speaker 2: gets hit with the jab. But you know, I'm saying

1870
01:24:15,479 --> 01:24:17,479
Speaker 2: a jab like it just popped his head back. It

1871
01:24:17,520 --> 01:24:19,519
Speaker 2: was at an angle where it actually twisted it, so

1872
01:24:19,560 --> 01:24:22,360
Speaker 2: he actually got hit with a nice hard jab. Okay

1873
01:24:22,360 --> 01:24:24,960
Speaker 2: in fairness to du Boi, but he gets counted out

1874
01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:26,640
Speaker 2: and then stands as the basically the count is over

1875
01:24:26,680 --> 01:24:29,320
Speaker 2: and they called it okay boy, let me ask you

1876
01:24:29,320 --> 01:24:31,000
Speaker 2: something to be see because it's something I just don't

1877
01:24:31,040 --> 01:24:37,599
Speaker 2: fully understand. Boxing media fucking trashed him, trashed him, and

1878
01:24:37,640 --> 01:24:40,040
Speaker 2: I just a a lot of other boxers on Twitter too,

1879
01:24:40,520 --> 01:24:43,080
Speaker 2: and they're like, Duboy may have had whatever he had

1880
01:24:43,120 --> 01:24:45,559
Speaker 2: in the fifth, but in the ninth when he got dropped,

1881
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:48,120
Speaker 2: he could have stood up and he just quit. Calling

1882
01:24:48,160 --> 01:24:51,639
Speaker 2: him a I saw boxing media calling him a quitter.

1883
01:24:52,439 --> 01:24:55,639
Speaker 2: How come you don't like you see people trash MMA fighters,

1884
01:24:55,680 --> 01:24:59,439
Speaker 2: but you don't typically see like credentialed MMA media calling

1885
01:24:59,479 --> 01:25:03,560
Speaker 2: someone a calling someone a clown or trash.

1886
01:25:04,160 --> 01:25:05,920
Speaker 3: Why does boxing media do that.

1887
01:25:06,320 --> 01:25:09,200
Speaker 4: Boxing's cutthroat in a lot of ways. I mean mmas too,

1888
01:25:09,240 --> 01:25:11,840
Speaker 4: but it's really brutal and I think also, look, this

1889
01:25:11,880 --> 01:25:15,040
Speaker 4: is a fighter from the UK in a big fight

1890
01:25:15,080 --> 01:25:17,800
Speaker 4: in Europe, and in the UK media in particularly, the

1891
01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:21,040
Speaker 4: culture is much more cutthroat in that regard. But you're right,

1892
01:25:21,160 --> 01:25:24,280
Speaker 4: you don't see anyone hesitating in American media from saying

1893
01:25:24,320 --> 01:25:27,760
Speaker 4: that because it's true. Luke. So, here's the deal. When

1894
01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:31,000
Speaker 4: Dubois lost to Joe Joyce in that Battle of Unbeatens,

1895
01:25:31,400 --> 01:25:33,320
Speaker 4: in the moment, it looked like he quit, and he

1896
01:25:33,400 --> 01:25:35,760
Speaker 4: got a lot of criticism for it. It looked like

1897
01:25:35,760 --> 01:25:40,839
Speaker 4: he could have continued despite the intense swelling on his eye.

1898
01:25:41,080 --> 01:25:44,200
Speaker 4: We would come to find out, like Vitali Klitschko when

1899
01:25:44,240 --> 01:25:46,519
Speaker 4: he quit against Chris Bird, and we found out after

1900
01:25:46,560 --> 01:25:48,519
Speaker 4: that his shoulder was basically that in you know, that

1901
01:25:48,600 --> 01:25:51,519
Speaker 4: far away from ripping from the bone, in his career

1902
01:25:51,560 --> 01:25:55,120
Speaker 4: being over. We found out no, you know, Duboi's face

1903
01:25:55,439 --> 01:25:57,840
Speaker 4: was like I was badly broken, like anybody would have

1904
01:25:57,920 --> 01:26:00,760
Speaker 4: quit there, and rightfully, so we all said, let's let's

1905
01:26:00,760 --> 01:26:03,479
Speaker 4: not talk about that. Like should we talk about that

1906
01:26:03,479 --> 01:26:06,320
Speaker 4: in general, Luke, No, probably not. But we do see something.

1907
01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:09,040
Speaker 4: I don't know if you remember Andrew Ruiz against tor Hamer.

1908
01:26:09,280 --> 01:26:11,080
Speaker 4: I mean, at the at the highest level, sometimes some

1909
01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:13,560
Speaker 4: guys just sometimes just quit. They just quit. They're like

1910
01:26:13,600 --> 01:26:14,960
Speaker 4: no more, there's no mos.

1911
01:26:16,640 --> 01:26:17,120
Speaker 3: Crawford.

1912
01:26:17,880 --> 01:26:21,519
Speaker 4: Yes, So I think people gave Duba a pass, and

1913
01:26:21,600 --> 01:26:24,200
Speaker 4: yet here he is back in a much bigger fight

1914
01:26:24,240 --> 01:26:27,040
Speaker 4: against the unified heavyweight champion, in a fight that he

1915
01:26:27,200 --> 01:26:29,599
Speaker 4: may have actually had a case in making an argument

1916
01:26:29,800 --> 01:26:31,920
Speaker 4: that he should that he could have or did knock

1917
01:26:31,960 --> 01:26:35,160
Speaker 4: out Usick based on that debate we just had. And

1918
01:26:35,200 --> 01:26:37,680
Speaker 4: then when the fight started to really not go his

1919
01:26:37,720 --> 01:26:39,840
Speaker 4: way with the first knockdown in the eighth round and

1920
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:43,080
Speaker 4: then eventually the ninth round stoppage, when they saw what

1921
01:26:43,240 --> 01:26:47,840
Speaker 4: seemed to be teasing elements of quit again. It's sort

1922
01:26:47,880 --> 01:26:49,519
Speaker 4: of like, oh, I told you so. I told you

1923
01:26:49,640 --> 01:26:51,120
Speaker 4: he was a quitter. We had to give him a

1924
01:26:51,160 --> 01:26:53,639
Speaker 4: pass last time. But right there, But Luke, even though

1925
01:26:53,680 --> 01:26:57,240
Speaker 4: that's extremely harsh, dude, it's true he quit. Now. I'm

1926
01:26:57,240 --> 01:26:59,519
Speaker 4: not going to say that he didn't get hit. Really,

1927
01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:01,800
Speaker 4: you said that jab was more than a jab. It

1928
01:27:01,840 --> 01:27:04,120
Speaker 4: was like a power cross. It was like Usik squared

1929
01:27:04,160 --> 01:27:06,160
Speaker 4: up and then with his right hand came with a cross.

1930
01:27:06,600 --> 01:27:09,639
Speaker 4: And for a guy who's same eye was already broken

1931
01:27:09,640 --> 01:27:11,280
Speaker 4: in the past, could that have hit him and hurt

1932
01:27:11,320 --> 01:27:12,960
Speaker 4: him in a way that it's sort of like, oh,

1933
01:27:13,000 --> 01:27:14,719
Speaker 4: I'm not going down that road for my own health.

1934
01:27:15,080 --> 01:27:16,920
Speaker 4: I got no issue with that if that's the case,

1935
01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:19,320
Speaker 4: and that turned out to be the case against Joe Joyce.

1936
01:27:20,040 --> 01:27:22,800
Speaker 4: But he absolutely took the knee, waited till ten and

1937
01:27:22,840 --> 01:27:24,760
Speaker 4: then stood up. There's no question about it. Could he

1938
01:27:24,800 --> 01:27:28,840
Speaker 4: have continued, Luke, yes, Did he have legit reasons why

1939
01:27:28,840 --> 01:27:30,720
Speaker 4: he shouldn't have. I mean, that's his call. And when

1940
01:27:30,760 --> 01:27:33,280
Speaker 4: you're talking about health, especially your I I'm not going

1941
01:27:33,360 --> 01:27:35,879
Speaker 4: to come out here and use it as a negative

1942
01:27:35,920 --> 01:27:38,000
Speaker 4: and say, oh, Dubois always been a quittor. No, he's

1943
01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:40,439
Speaker 4: a warrior. And he went in there against arguably the

1944
01:27:40,439 --> 01:27:42,240
Speaker 4: best hovyweight in the world and one of the top

1945
01:27:42,240 --> 01:27:44,880
Speaker 4: five pound for pound of the world and had a moment,

1946
01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:47,680
Speaker 4: had some moments was okay, But Luke, I think it

1947
01:27:47,720 --> 01:27:50,439
Speaker 4: was fatigue and I think all of that got once

1948
01:27:50,720 --> 01:27:53,120
Speaker 4: Usick really started to zoom in. Just so people know,

1949
01:27:53,400 --> 01:27:56,880
Speaker 4: Usk stood so close to Dubois, swiveled with his head

1950
01:27:57,120 --> 01:28:00,040
Speaker 4: to you know, misshots, and then just sticking him. And

1951
01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:02,160
Speaker 4: even though Musik is not known as a big puncher

1952
01:28:02,200 --> 01:28:05,280
Speaker 4: at heavyweight, his punching is so accurate, so clean, so

1953
01:28:05,479 --> 01:28:08,439
Speaker 4: fast that he beat the fight out of him. Did

1954
01:28:08,680 --> 01:28:10,920
Speaker 4: Usik did? And so that's why you see people pile

1955
01:28:11,040 --> 01:28:13,320
Speaker 4: on dubs in that regard. I'm not going to pile

1956
01:28:13,360 --> 01:28:15,040
Speaker 4: on Luke. But if he asked me if he quit,

1957
01:28:15,080 --> 01:28:16,040
Speaker 4: he quit, it's the truth.

1958
01:28:16,479 --> 01:28:16,759
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1959
01:28:16,800 --> 01:28:18,200
Speaker 2: I mean I think he did quit as well, but

1960
01:28:18,240 --> 01:28:20,360
Speaker 2: again if he had something wrong with his eye, and

1961
01:28:20,680 --> 01:28:24,519
Speaker 2: you know, who knows what his reasons are for quitting ultimately,

1962
01:28:24,600 --> 01:28:25,719
Speaker 2: But yeah, I do think agreed.

1963
01:28:25,880 --> 01:28:29,440
Speaker 3: It was just jarring to see. It was jarring to see.

1964
01:28:29,360 --> 01:28:32,400
Speaker 2: Normally mild manner and media members there's a lot of

1965
01:28:32,520 --> 01:28:35,320
Speaker 2: m's there, but uh, just fucking.

1966
01:28:35,040 --> 01:28:35,840
Speaker 3: Trash him the guy.

1967
01:28:35,920 --> 01:28:38,960
Speaker 2: I was like, whoa this is this is new. I

1968
01:28:39,000 --> 01:28:42,360
Speaker 2: hadn't seen something quite like this before. But okay, neither

1969
01:28:42,400 --> 01:28:44,080
Speaker 2: here nor there. Last thing I'll say on this and

1970
01:28:44,160 --> 01:28:47,759
Speaker 2: we'll put a bow on this conversation. Does the result

1971
01:28:47,840 --> 01:28:50,800
Speaker 2: of this and the controversy in terms of maybe some

1972
01:28:50,840 --> 01:28:55,479
Speaker 2: of the weaknesses shown about Usik, does it make a

1973
01:28:55,520 --> 01:28:58,840
Speaker 2: fight with Fury after Anganu more likely or does it

1974
01:28:58,920 --> 01:29:00,000
Speaker 2: not really have an effect.

1975
01:29:00,640 --> 01:29:03,280
Speaker 4: I think it may end up not having effect, but

1976
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:07,080
Speaker 4: if forced to choose either way, I think it'll help it.

1977
01:29:07,120 --> 01:29:09,439
Speaker 4: I think it shows the path to victory, It shows

1978
01:29:09,439 --> 01:29:12,400
Speaker 4: some vulnerability. Fury will always be a favorite against Usick.

1979
01:29:12,439 --> 01:29:14,920
Speaker 4: Most of us are gonna end up picking Fury when

1980
01:29:15,000 --> 01:29:17,920
Speaker 4: you know, if and when this actually happens. There is

1981
01:29:17,960 --> 01:29:20,519
Speaker 4: some element to the idea of Fury realizing that Usik's

1982
01:29:20,560 --> 01:29:22,960
Speaker 4: the only guy that could beat him truly. Now, look

1983
01:29:23,000 --> 01:29:25,320
Speaker 4: a while, they'll land a big punch, right, could Joshua

1984
01:29:25,439 --> 01:29:28,240
Speaker 4: Land won big punch? It's possible, But reality, Luke, who's

1985
01:29:28,280 --> 01:29:30,880
Speaker 4: actually beating this version of Tyson Fury at heavyweight? The

1986
01:29:30,920 --> 01:29:33,640
Speaker 4: only guy who has a legitimate chance is Usick, even

1987
01:29:33,680 --> 01:29:35,760
Speaker 4: though he wouldn't be the betting favorite. I do wonder

1988
01:29:35,800 --> 01:29:37,880
Speaker 4: if Fury's just trying to wade him out USI's not young?

1989
01:29:37,880 --> 01:29:38,200
Speaker 3: Who is he?

1990
01:29:38,479 --> 01:29:40,880
Speaker 4: Is he thirty six or thirty seven? Loke not young

1991
01:29:40,960 --> 01:29:41,400
Speaker 4: at all?

1992
01:29:42,280 --> 01:29:42,599
Speaker 3: Here.

1993
01:29:42,720 --> 01:29:47,120
Speaker 4: He does take heavy physical damage even in wins, even

1994
01:29:47,120 --> 01:29:49,479
Speaker 4: in some one sided wins, because he's a daring fighter

1995
01:29:49,720 --> 01:29:53,400
Speaker 4: who stands so close right there in the pocket. I

1996
01:29:53,439 --> 01:29:55,920
Speaker 4: do wonder if Furies, even though we don't panic about

1997
01:29:55,960 --> 01:29:58,559
Speaker 4: age at heavyweight, if Fury's just like, look, I'll cash

1998
01:29:58,560 --> 01:30:00,599
Speaker 4: out in Ganu here, I got my re reality show

1999
01:30:00,640 --> 01:30:02,840
Speaker 4: here that the thing is, Luke, We not only want

2000
01:30:02,880 --> 01:30:07,080
Speaker 4: Fury to act the part of being heavyweight champion and

2001
01:30:07,080 --> 01:30:10,240
Speaker 4: welcoming all comers to take on history. We want it

2002
01:30:10,360 --> 01:30:13,120
Speaker 4: in our timetable, and we want it. We want him

2003
01:30:13,120 --> 01:30:15,640
Speaker 4: to be honest. He's not doing any of the of

2004
01:30:15,680 --> 01:30:17,559
Speaker 4: the sort right because every time he speaks he goes

2005
01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:20,360
Speaker 4: in ten different directions. But the reality is after this

2006
01:30:20,439 --> 01:30:24,000
Speaker 4: in Gano fight, there would be no other excuse. They

2007
01:30:24,080 --> 01:30:26,519
Speaker 4: gotta do this fight. It could happen let's say spring

2008
01:30:26,560 --> 01:30:29,439
Speaker 4: of next year, and I think Fury probably saw a

2009
01:30:29,479 --> 01:30:31,479
Speaker 4: little bit more to give more confidence that if he

2010
01:30:31,520 --> 01:30:33,960
Speaker 4: comes in with a style meant to lean on Fury,

2011
01:30:33,960 --> 01:30:35,880
Speaker 4: which Aj was never able to do, never able to

2012
01:30:36,160 --> 01:30:38,320
Speaker 4: cross that line and be more physical to the point

2013
01:30:38,320 --> 01:30:41,160
Speaker 4: where it was like potentially helping him win. Now, he

2014
01:30:41,240 --> 01:30:44,320
Speaker 4: did bother Usik. He did push him physically, couldn't get

2015
01:30:44,360 --> 01:30:46,680
Speaker 4: over the hump. Could Fury do that? Could he lean

2016
01:30:46,720 --> 01:30:48,519
Speaker 4: on him and go to the body with giant hooks?

2017
01:30:48,640 --> 01:30:50,840
Speaker 4: You're damn right, he could, Luke. So I wonder if

2018
01:30:50,880 --> 01:30:52,720
Speaker 4: in the long run this is a net positive for

2019
01:30:53,360 --> 01:30:56,240
Speaker 4: Usik to finally get the fight. Now, just to remind you,

2020
01:30:56,560 --> 01:30:59,479
Speaker 4: Usik had to sign with that Saudi Arabian based boxing

2021
01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:01,439
Speaker 4: promotion and a lot of people thought that was a

2022
01:31:01,479 --> 01:31:06,320
Speaker 4: prerequisite to get in line to fight Fury ringside in Poland?

2023
01:31:06,439 --> 01:31:10,080
Speaker 4: Was a mere abdallah that from that promotion in Saudi Arabia?

2024
01:31:10,280 --> 01:31:12,840
Speaker 4: Does that mean that that does that have connections to Fury?

2025
01:31:12,880 --> 01:31:15,080
Speaker 4: Does that mean that we're still likely to see Fury

2026
01:31:15,080 --> 01:31:18,240
Speaker 4: and Usik early next year? It makes sense right? Also, Luke,

2027
01:31:18,280 --> 01:31:20,880
Speaker 4: did you notice Jake Paul and Nikisa Badarian were there?

2028
01:31:20,960 --> 01:31:22,559
Speaker 3: I did as well, and.

2029
01:31:22,560 --> 01:31:24,439
Speaker 4: Jake had a couple of social videos out with Lusik.

2030
01:31:24,479 --> 01:31:25,599
Speaker 4: What do you think that was about?

2031
01:31:27,680 --> 01:31:28,200
Speaker 3: I don't know.

2032
01:31:28,280 --> 01:31:31,439
Speaker 2: I mean part of me wonders, like, you know, is

2033
01:31:31,479 --> 01:31:33,880
Speaker 2: he a genuine boxing fan and you know he's obviously

2034
01:31:33,920 --> 01:31:35,880
Speaker 2: a multi millionaire so he can just go to big

2035
01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:37,320
Speaker 2: boxing events when he wants.

2036
01:31:38,120 --> 01:31:39,040
Speaker 3: But I tend to think.

2037
01:31:38,880 --> 01:31:41,519
Speaker 2: It's probably not just that there's got to be some

2038
01:31:41,600 --> 01:31:43,479
Speaker 2: sort of business component. But if you have a better

2039
01:31:43,680 --> 01:31:45,160
Speaker 2: read on it than I do, by all means, let

2040
01:31:45,160 --> 01:31:45,400
Speaker 2: me know.

2041
01:31:45,600 --> 01:31:47,280
Speaker 4: No, I think it was just that there was some

2042
01:31:47,400 --> 01:31:49,920
Speaker 4: level of business component with somebody, right whoever it could

2043
01:31:49,920 --> 01:31:51,479
Speaker 4: be Saudi Arabia, could be anybody who.

2044
01:31:51,320 --> 01:31:53,479
Speaker 2: Knows they were there to do business with someone and

2045
01:31:53,600 --> 01:31:57,000
Speaker 2: also see the Usk and Duboi fight, But what the

2046
01:31:57,040 --> 01:31:59,280
Speaker 2: business is I don't know. I guess we'll find out

2047
01:31:59,479 --> 01:32:01,920
Speaker 2: all right now. Wow, BC, that's it for our top five.

2048
01:32:02,040 --> 01:32:04,960
Speaker 2: Normally we would do d ms here, but I think

2049
01:32:05,000 --> 01:32:08,559
Speaker 2: what might make more sense is maybe to push those

2050
01:32:08,600 --> 01:32:11,880
Speaker 2: to Wednesday and we just get to what I'm told

2051
01:32:11,960 --> 01:32:13,920
Speaker 2: is an absolutely epic bag over.

2052
01:32:14,040 --> 01:32:16,680
Speaker 4: Oh, I don't know about epic. It has a chance, Luke,

2053
01:32:16,720 --> 01:32:18,280
Speaker 4: it has a chance to be great. This this this

2054
01:32:18,360 --> 01:32:19,920
Speaker 4: batch of shit we got here. So I beg you

2055
01:32:20,760 --> 01:32:23,240
Speaker 4: giving me Clarence in the runway because right after we

2056
01:32:23,280 --> 01:32:25,040
Speaker 4: filmed this, Look, I'm gonna get on a plane anyway

2057
01:32:25,640 --> 01:32:28,080
Speaker 4: for l a big business to come. So I'm gonna

2058
01:32:28,120 --> 01:32:30,080
Speaker 4: hit you right now with what I did yesterday, Luke,

2059
01:32:30,080 --> 01:32:32,519
Speaker 4: which was scouring the globe, actually did it on Saturday, right.

2060
01:32:32,560 --> 01:32:34,080
Speaker 4: I looked for the highs and the lows, the good,

2061
01:32:34,080 --> 01:32:36,839
Speaker 4: the bad, the ugly, and combat sports and in between

2062
01:32:36,880 --> 01:32:39,160
Speaker 4: two and there's some elder abuse and there's some you know,

2063
01:32:39,200 --> 01:32:41,519
Speaker 4: really weird stuff going on. It's called have you seen

2064
01:32:41,520 --> 01:32:41,800
Speaker 4: this ship?

2065
01:32:41,920 --> 01:32:42,240
Speaker 5: Let's do.

2066
01:32:51,479 --> 01:32:53,280
Speaker 4: All right, Luke, there's our new theme song on there,

2067
01:32:53,280 --> 01:32:54,680
Speaker 4: which I by the way, I dig it.

2068
01:32:54,760 --> 01:32:56,280
Speaker 3: I love it. It's so much better.

2069
01:32:56,479 --> 01:32:59,760
Speaker 4: It's better than than us making uh, you know, like

2070
01:32:59,800 --> 01:33:02,120
Speaker 4: the kind of non Let's go to UFC Singapore, Luke.

2071
01:33:02,520 --> 01:33:05,200
Speaker 4: Apparently Max Holloway is the heat? Did you see this

2072
01:33:05,280 --> 01:33:08,680
Speaker 4: pre fight? What are we doing here? Max? Let's listen, hey, guys, guys,

2073
01:33:08,800 --> 01:33:11,719
Speaker 4: this guy told me bring to eat tomorrow. The jokes

2074
01:33:11,720 --> 01:33:15,120
Speaker 4: on him? I am day hey.

2075
01:33:16,600 --> 01:33:18,559
Speaker 3: But that with Joe Rogan was there, so that couldn't

2076
01:33:18,560 --> 01:33:19,480
Speaker 3: have been Singapore?

2077
01:33:20,360 --> 01:33:21,920
Speaker 4: Uh? Oh really did was that? That?

2078
01:33:22,040 --> 01:33:23,479
Speaker 3: Was that an old one again?

2079
01:33:24,120 --> 01:33:24,280
Speaker 4: Oh?

2080
01:33:24,320 --> 01:33:26,879
Speaker 3: I got hey guys, guys, this guy.

2081
01:33:26,760 --> 01:33:29,559
Speaker 4: Told me bring the heat tomorrow, the jokes on him?

2082
01:33:29,640 --> 01:33:33,840
Speaker 4: I am day hey, Luke, the jokes on me? You're right,

2083
01:33:33,880 --> 01:33:35,439
Speaker 4: the jokes on me. That's an old clip.

2084
01:33:35,479 --> 01:33:38,760
Speaker 2: But uh there it was a coreball dad joke.

2085
01:33:38,800 --> 01:33:40,599
Speaker 4: But I was into it for Max though, So thank

2086
01:33:40,640 --> 01:33:43,240
Speaker 4: you very much. Uh, the Giga Show is back, Luke.

2087
01:33:43,280 --> 01:33:46,080
Speaker 4: Let's listen in on Chakadz giving the nice fool job

2088
01:33:46,120 --> 01:33:46,719
Speaker 4: on us.

2089
01:33:47,920 --> 01:33:53,080
Speaker 6: And I have a big announcement today to say, huh

2090
01:33:54,040 --> 01:34:00,360
Speaker 6: so he's been a long time and uh hi.

2091
01:34:01,800 --> 01:34:04,120
Speaker 4: You guys always back about the buck guns. I'm coming

2092
01:34:04,160 --> 01:34:07,439
Speaker 4: by everybody, gotcha helpless? He guy.

2093
01:34:09,760 --> 01:34:12,759
Speaker 3: Six, I want up? Then I never bought the paper,

2094
01:34:13,560 --> 01:34:13,960
Speaker 3: see t.

2095
01:34:15,760 --> 01:34:17,719
Speaker 4: Look that was pretty good. I popped for that.

2096
01:34:17,720 --> 01:34:18,800
Speaker 3: That's pretty good. I popped.

2097
01:34:18,880 --> 01:34:20,360
Speaker 2: I popped for it to Actually I would like to

2098
01:34:20,360 --> 01:34:22,200
Speaker 2: tell you that I didn't, but I did. It worked

2099
01:34:22,800 --> 01:34:24,840
Speaker 2: all right, he just took it from Connor. But hey,

2100
01:34:24,880 --> 01:34:26,559
Speaker 2: if it works, just keep doing it.

2101
01:34:26,720 --> 01:34:29,880
Speaker 4: There it is park Reporter, Connecticut's finest. Luke finished his

2102
01:34:29,960 --> 01:34:32,800
Speaker 4: tour of TAFA, and he finished it face down, Luke,

2103
01:34:32,800 --> 01:34:35,639
Speaker 4: which helped me on. Okay, bed, here's a little looking

2104
01:34:35,720 --> 01:34:36,760
Speaker 4: here as just.

2105
01:34:36,680 --> 01:34:37,639
Speaker 3: The worst ever.

2106
01:34:37,760 --> 01:34:41,200
Speaker 4: I mean, but look, you have alluded that there are

2107
01:34:41,240 --> 01:34:45,599
Speaker 4: actually two other combat sports TAFA brothers. What how awesome

2108
01:34:45,640 --> 01:34:48,200
Speaker 4: would it be if this guy can retire having fought

2109
01:34:48,240 --> 01:34:50,400
Speaker 4: John Jones in all four tafas.

2110
01:34:50,920 --> 01:34:53,440
Speaker 2: It would be uh he would go into the Connecticut

2111
01:34:53,439 --> 01:34:55,599
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame or maybe Zealand Hall of Fame.

2112
01:34:55,640 --> 01:34:56,320
Speaker 3: I don't know, but.

2113
01:34:57,080 --> 01:34:59,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was That was a tough ending for old

2114
01:34:59,000 --> 01:35:03,160
Speaker 4: Parker Porter. Let's go to heavyweight Waldo Costez a Costa. Luke.

2115
01:35:03,200 --> 01:35:05,639
Speaker 4: I made the really bad godfather joke of him sending

2116
01:35:05,920 --> 01:35:08,920
Speaker 4: Luca Sebreski to live with the fishes, but it turned

2117
01:35:08,960 --> 01:35:10,920
Speaker 4: out to be true. Face first, bro.

2118
01:35:11,000 --> 01:35:13,240
Speaker 2: Dude, not just that like that could have been bad

2119
01:35:13,280 --> 01:35:15,720
Speaker 2: the way he landed. First of all, this this this

2120
01:35:15,800 --> 01:35:18,160
Speaker 2: dount came right over the top. Nice shot and then

2121
01:35:18,200 --> 01:35:20,040
Speaker 2: look at him. That's like me on the dance floor

2122
01:35:20,160 --> 01:35:25,000
Speaker 2: right there. Dude, Yo, dude landing on your head like that,

2123
01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:27,640
Speaker 2: that is insanely dangerous.

2124
01:35:27,920 --> 01:35:28,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's bad.

2125
01:35:28,600 --> 01:35:34,639
Speaker 3: That's insanely dangerous. After I've had Arby's.

2126
01:35:34,320 --> 01:35:39,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, post whippets in the back. Yeah, there you go. Uh,

2127
01:35:39,439 --> 01:35:42,040
Speaker 4: PFL playoff time, Luke. This is a holdover from Wednesday

2128
01:35:42,040 --> 01:35:45,040
Speaker 4: from New York City Biaggio. Ali Walsh, the grandson of

2129
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Speaker 4: the Greatest, scored a pretty gnarly ko. They've been featuring

2130
01:35:47,920 --> 01:35:50,320
Speaker 4: him pretty high. That's that's Ali Walsh in the red.

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01:35:50,800 --> 01:35:51,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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01:35:51,000 --> 01:35:53,240
Speaker 2: I'm gonna guess the guy, the white guy with dreadlocks

2133
01:35:53,320 --> 01:35:55,120
Speaker 2: is not a Ali descendant.

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01:35:56,439 --> 01:36:00,559
Speaker 4: Luke. His brother uh and boxing lost on over the weekend.

2135
01:36:00,640 --> 01:36:02,040
Speaker 4: See that in the top rank under dude, I.

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01:36:02,320 --> 01:36:05,679
Speaker 2: Do He closed or in some places as a minus

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01:36:06,600 --> 01:36:09,959
Speaker 2: two thousand favorites and then lost a decision.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean he's been shaky in some wins. He's

2139
01:36:12,520 --> 01:36:14,479
Speaker 4: gone through a ton of different trainers. He can punch

2140
01:36:14,520 --> 01:36:16,160
Speaker 4: a little bit, but yeah, that was a Uh.

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01:36:16,360 --> 01:36:18,559
Speaker 3: He's gonna fight, He's gonna fight Jake Paul right, like

2142
01:36:18,600 --> 01:36:19,400
Speaker 3: that's gonna happen.

2143
01:36:19,600 --> 01:36:23,080
Speaker 4: Oh, oh dude, I didn't even consider that. Yeah, oh

2144
01:36:23,120 --> 01:36:26,840
Speaker 4: my gosh, okay, Luke, future wifler or no, let's go

2145
01:36:26,880 --> 01:36:28,000
Speaker 4: to the ballgame. You tell me.

2146
01:36:39,000 --> 01:36:41,439
Speaker 3: Play that one more time, Play that one more time.

2147
01:36:42,880 --> 01:36:44,120
Speaker 4: Do you think it's staged? Luke?

2148
01:36:48,000 --> 01:36:49,080
Speaker 3: Is it my imagination?

2149
01:36:49,479 --> 01:36:53,640
Speaker 2: Or is she just eating sausage and then washing it

2150
01:36:53,720 --> 01:36:55,839
Speaker 2: down with Tito's vodka?

2151
01:36:56,120 --> 01:36:58,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, she's drinking. She's eating at Joey Chestnut style. Just

2152
01:36:58,920 --> 01:37:00,960
Speaker 4: raw dog in it, Luke, just just gross.

2153
01:37:01,479 --> 01:37:02,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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01:37:02,520 --> 01:37:08,000
Speaker 2: Wife material, No, not wife material, but uh Friday Night

2155
01:37:08,040 --> 01:37:10,200
Speaker 2: material material.

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01:37:10,439 --> 01:37:14,320
Speaker 4: Yes, uh, Luke. Remember that those famous kickboxers that went

2157
01:37:14,360 --> 01:37:16,479
Speaker 4: tip on tip and it started the revolution and we

2158
01:37:16,520 --> 01:37:19,080
Speaker 4: put their poster up on the Bomb Shelter studio.

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01:37:19,280 --> 01:37:22,519
Speaker 3: Yes, this is all one that you know, you say,

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01:37:22,640 --> 01:37:24,639
Speaker 3: we I don't know that.

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01:37:25,080 --> 01:37:28,240
Speaker 2: It's a wee thing more than this same massion project

2162
01:37:28,240 --> 01:37:29,120
Speaker 2: of yours.

2163
01:37:29,560 --> 01:37:32,880
Speaker 4: Like that frozen rope McGregor had for Mayweather at their way,

2164
01:37:32,880 --> 01:37:35,280
Speaker 4: and these two men were so jacked up at the

2165
01:37:35,280 --> 01:37:37,960
Speaker 4: idea of fighting each other that they got aroused. The

2166
01:37:38,040 --> 01:37:41,559
Speaker 4: same thing happened in this Queensberry Promotions boxing bout over

2167
01:37:41,600 --> 01:37:43,200
Speaker 4: the weekend, Luke, look at that guy in the red

2168
01:37:43,280 --> 01:37:48,439
Speaker 4: holy cract youn it on that guy.

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01:37:49,720 --> 01:37:52,599
Speaker 2: I cannot believe we have a podcast where we encourage

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01:37:52,640 --> 01:37:54,320
Speaker 2: readers to look at men's dicks.

2171
01:37:54,439 --> 01:37:58,240
Speaker 4: Dude, I've been sent that video probably three hundred and

2172
01:37:58,280 --> 01:38:00,400
Speaker 4: fifty times in the past like week for people.

2173
01:38:00,760 --> 01:38:01,680
Speaker 3: Know what the other guys in.

2174
01:38:02,560 --> 01:38:04,720
Speaker 2: Here's the thing, Okay, I'm gonna do. I promise, I

2175
01:38:04,720 --> 01:38:06,840
Speaker 2: want to do this for everyone. Show one more time.

2176
01:38:06,880 --> 01:38:08,920
Speaker 2: We don't have to show the whole thing, but just

2177
01:38:09,000 --> 01:38:11,360
Speaker 2: check this out. It's you're saying to touch it. It's

2178
01:38:11,400 --> 01:38:12,840
Speaker 2: really just the guy on the left.

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01:38:13,280 --> 01:38:15,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, but they're touching tips. Luke, this has happened, I know.

2180
01:38:15,479 --> 01:38:16,800
Speaker 3: But if you're the guy on the right, you got

2181
01:38:16,920 --> 01:38:17,839
Speaker 3: to back up a couple.

2182
01:38:17,640 --> 01:38:19,920
Speaker 4: Of steps, right, Yeah you do, Yeah you do. And

2183
01:38:20,000 --> 01:38:20,479
Speaker 4: let's I.

2184
01:38:20,400 --> 01:38:23,040
Speaker 3: Mean, you know, you gotta you gotta lose the battle

2185
01:38:23,120 --> 01:38:23,920
Speaker 3: to win the war.

2186
01:38:23,760 --> 01:38:25,599
Speaker 4: Here, like you know, you gotta find out if you're

2187
01:38:25,640 --> 01:38:27,560
Speaker 4: really about that. Life turned out he was though it

2188
01:38:27,680 --> 01:38:30,240
Speaker 4: turned out he was. Uh, time for your KOs of

2189
01:38:30,320 --> 01:38:32,920
Speaker 4: the week. Let's watch this referee closely here. I don't

2190
01:38:32,920 --> 01:38:33,960
Speaker 4: think i've seen this before.

2191
01:38:35,920 --> 01:38:38,560
Speaker 3: Oh he got hit with the thunder.

2192
01:38:38,560 --> 01:38:43,720
Speaker 4: Yes he did. They're gonna need an land or whatever. Yeah, yikes.

2193
01:38:43,840 --> 01:38:45,320
Speaker 4: Oh wow, all right.

2194
01:38:45,320 --> 01:38:48,400
Speaker 2: That's amateurs, bro, they'd be doing the spazy stuff.

2195
01:38:48,400 --> 01:38:52,000
Speaker 4: You gotta yeah, regional mma too. Anything can happen. That's crazy.

2196
01:38:52,200 --> 01:38:53,960
Speaker 4: Let's go to the hockey game here. Let's see. We

2197
01:38:53,960 --> 01:38:55,599
Speaker 4: haven't seen a good hockey fight in a while on

2198
01:38:55,640 --> 01:38:56,080
Speaker 4: this show.

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01:38:56,680 --> 01:38:58,880
Speaker 3: Caps open up in forty six days.

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01:38:59,040 --> 01:39:03,120
Speaker 4: Oh he's it. Oh shit, Yeah, that's a double.

2201
01:39:03,280 --> 01:39:04,840
Speaker 3: That's a good hockey fight.

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01:39:05,320 --> 01:39:08,200
Speaker 4: That was like Fador and Matreon and Metreon on ice. Luke,

2203
01:39:08,360 --> 01:39:14,960
Speaker 4: that was great, dude, that was That was great Russian mma.

2204
01:39:15,120 --> 01:39:16,720
Speaker 4: I think this is like a way in show of

2205
01:39:16,760 --> 01:39:19,000
Speaker 4: some kind. They always fight on this show, Luke, watch this.

2206
01:39:19,240 --> 01:39:25,840
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, okay, real question, real question. How much more

2207
01:39:25,960 --> 01:39:29,599
Speaker 4: popular would UFC be if there was an ESPN show

2208
01:39:29,640 --> 01:39:32,840
Speaker 4: equivalent to this and they were like regularly bringing on

2209
01:39:32,880 --> 01:39:34,320
Speaker 4: people that hate each other and they were fighting and

2210
01:39:34,320 --> 01:39:36,840
Speaker 4: brawling before the fights, like regularly.

2211
01:39:36,960 --> 01:39:40,760
Speaker 3: Oh damn, she got dude, she gets hit. Yes, I'll

2212
01:39:40,760 --> 01:39:41,720
Speaker 3: tell you what. You know what.

2213
01:39:42,479 --> 01:39:45,960
Speaker 2: Instead of press conferences, they should just allow UFC fighters

2214
01:39:45,960 --> 01:39:47,920
Speaker 2: to do Palace at the Malice and just start beating

2215
01:39:47,960 --> 01:39:49,960
Speaker 2: the fuck out of fans. You know I'm talking about

2216
01:39:50,000 --> 01:39:51,720
Speaker 2: because the fans get up there and be like, hey,

2217
01:39:51,760 --> 01:39:54,120
Speaker 2: my question is for isy. I just wanted to know

2218
01:39:54,240 --> 01:39:54,920
Speaker 2: why are you pat.

2219
01:39:54,720 --> 01:39:56,320
Speaker 3: Your nails like a bitch by ba And they'll do

2220
01:39:56,360 --> 01:39:57,920
Speaker 3: all that stuff and then the crowd goes crazy.

2221
01:39:58,160 --> 01:40:00,040
Speaker 2: But the rules should be if you ask a question

2222
01:40:00,200 --> 01:40:01,840
Speaker 2: like that, he gets to run into the stands like

2223
01:40:01,920 --> 01:40:04,519
Speaker 2: run our test and just fuck your ship up, doesn't he?

2224
01:40:04,600 --> 01:40:07,840
Speaker 4: Are you talking about Captain jack Stack five our colleague looke,

2225
01:40:07,880 --> 01:40:09,479
Speaker 4: He went in there and gave that kuy of the business.

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01:40:09,560 --> 01:40:12,400
Speaker 2: Okay, hey, Meta world piece. He wasn't he was run

2227
01:40:12,439 --> 01:40:14,000
Speaker 2: our test at the time. A medal World Peace will

2228
01:40:14,040 --> 01:40:16,120
Speaker 2: fucking shit up too. They'll be throwing water bottles at

2229
01:40:16,160 --> 01:40:16,920
Speaker 2: with metal World Peace.

2230
01:40:17,240 --> 01:40:19,880
Speaker 4: And when we're working with Stephen Jackson at the boxing fights,

2231
01:40:20,000 --> 01:40:23,320
Speaker 4: we're very polite because we'll let Stephen Jackson kick your ass.

2232
01:40:23,320 --> 01:40:26,160
Speaker 4: There's no question our final k O the Week nominee

2233
01:40:26,200 --> 01:40:27,719
Speaker 4: comes in this backyard fight.

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01:40:30,320 --> 01:40:34,080
Speaker 3: All right, just what? Oh fuck god, dude. I like

2235
01:40:34,120 --> 01:40:36,040
Speaker 3: how he just posts up on his elbow. He's like, no,

2236
01:40:36,160 --> 01:40:37,120
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna go to the beach.

2237
01:40:37,439 --> 01:40:40,200
Speaker 4: He just turned into a pet container. That's insane. Look

2238
01:40:40,240 --> 01:40:41,000
Speaker 4: at the way that next.

2239
01:40:41,000 --> 01:40:42,680
Speaker 2: No, I don't think he one more time, Mike, you

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01:40:42,760 --> 01:40:44,519
Speaker 2: I don't think he had the sturdiest chin.

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01:40:44,600 --> 01:40:45,760
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna.

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01:40:45,520 --> 01:40:47,679
Speaker 4: Oh, I don't think he had a chin or a neck.

2243
01:40:47,840 --> 01:40:50,080
Speaker 3: I gotta tell you. I like how he just posts

2244
01:40:50,120 --> 01:40:51,639
Speaker 3: up right, Harry, He's like, yeah, I'm good.

2245
01:40:52,040 --> 01:40:52,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm dead.

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01:40:52,680 --> 01:40:53,120
Speaker 3: I'm dead.

2247
01:40:53,600 --> 01:40:56,599
Speaker 4: Look the great workout gloves debate, it's continuing, it's an

2248
01:40:56,600 --> 01:40:58,919
Speaker 4: ongoing thing. Let's go to a new member of ESPN's

2249
01:40:58,960 --> 01:41:00,760
Speaker 4: first take, Shannon Are.

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01:41:01,120 --> 01:41:03,439
Speaker 3: I like Shannon Sharp too. I like Shannon Sharp. That's

2251
01:41:03,760 --> 01:41:04,400
Speaker 3: what kills me.

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01:41:04,760 --> 01:41:06,800
Speaker 4: That man's gotta be like fifty years old, and.

2253
01:41:06,760 --> 01:41:09,360
Speaker 3: He is jacked as Yeah, he's jacked as shit.

2254
01:41:09,479 --> 01:41:12,439
Speaker 2: He's mid fifties. Those are one fifteen's. The range of

2255
01:41:12,479 --> 01:41:15,400
Speaker 2: motion isn't full, but it's pretty good. And this is

2256
01:41:15,520 --> 01:41:17,439
Speaker 2: incline on top of that, and.

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01:41:17,320 --> 01:41:18,320
Speaker 3: He's in his fifties.

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01:41:19,000 --> 01:41:21,439
Speaker 2: You know, I can't say my man's not strong. He's

2259
01:41:21,439 --> 01:41:24,840
Speaker 2: strong as shit. I think the glove also also, I

2260
01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:30,120
Speaker 2: will say this, constantly wearing a belt is a little much.

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01:41:30,320 --> 01:41:31,200
Speaker 3: It's a little much.

2262
01:41:31,800 --> 01:41:33,720
Speaker 4: You're not gonna say shit to him about gloves when

2263
01:41:33,720 --> 01:41:34,320
Speaker 4: he's this jack.

2264
01:41:34,360 --> 01:41:37,400
Speaker 3: There's no I would. I would be like, Shannon, you're

2265
01:41:37,439 --> 01:41:38,200
Speaker 3: too good for this.

2266
01:41:39,000 --> 01:41:43,160
Speaker 7: The gloves friend, I wonder if situationally you will allow

2267
01:41:43,200 --> 01:41:46,479
Speaker 7: gloves at the gym, Like, maybe not near the machines

2268
01:41:46,560 --> 01:41:49,160
Speaker 7: or weights, but what about in the bathroom if something

2269
01:41:49,200 --> 01:41:49,920
Speaker 7: big is brewing?

2270
01:41:50,000 --> 01:41:51,960
Speaker 4: Let's go to the next one. Luke had to max

2271
01:41:52,000 --> 01:41:54,120
Speaker 4: out the toilet at the gym? Are you okay with

2272
01:41:54,200 --> 01:41:55,639
Speaker 4: the straps in this case? Look?

2273
01:41:55,800 --> 01:41:57,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is not a glove. This is a

2274
01:41:57,720 --> 01:42:00,719
Speaker 2: strap which is used to lift heavyweight. That's pretty funny

2275
01:42:00,720 --> 01:42:03,400
Speaker 2: that the guy is in the uh the disabled person

2276
01:42:03,520 --> 01:42:05,519
Speaker 2: stall and using that to wrap so he could take

2277
01:42:05,560 --> 01:42:06,040
Speaker 2: his protein.

2278
01:42:06,120 --> 01:42:07,720
Speaker 3: Shit. Yeah, there you go.

2279
01:42:07,800 --> 01:42:09,479
Speaker 4: Look. Look, I don't know if you knew this during

2280
01:42:09,520 --> 01:42:11,400
Speaker 4: your vacation, but apparently you went to home depot and

2281
01:42:11,400 --> 01:42:13,719
Speaker 4: got in a fight, and every one of our audiences sent.

2282
01:42:13,600 --> 01:42:13,840
Speaker 3: It to me.

2283
01:42:13,960 --> 01:42:16,240
Speaker 4: Let's let's let's look at it in a bit. Tell

2284
01:42:16,320 --> 01:42:17,200
Speaker 4: me this isn't you, Luke?

2285
01:42:17,280 --> 01:42:17,639
Speaker 3: Please?

2286
01:42:20,360 --> 01:42:22,000
Speaker 4: Looks a lot like you. I'm telling you.

2287
01:42:22,439 --> 01:42:24,920
Speaker 2: Wait, is this after the Montgomery brawl that the white

2288
01:42:24,920 --> 01:42:27,520
Speaker 2: folks are learning how to get around the chairs?

2289
01:42:29,439 --> 01:42:31,479
Speaker 4: Dude, that's you. That's Spider Man meme.

2290
01:42:31,560 --> 01:42:35,160
Speaker 2: Come on, I know I wish it wasn't. I wish

2291
01:42:35,240 --> 01:42:38,439
Speaker 2: it wasn't, but it is fucking hell. People send that

2292
01:42:38,479 --> 01:42:39,960
Speaker 2: to me, I just immediately block him.

2293
01:42:39,960 --> 01:42:41,280
Speaker 3: You know, time for some.

2294
01:42:41,320 --> 01:42:44,479
Speaker 4: Extreme We love that on this show. I call this

2295
01:42:44,560 --> 01:42:46,120
Speaker 4: two ice cream cups, one man.

2296
01:43:01,479 --> 01:43:04,080
Speaker 2: All right, Uh, I gotta tell you, man, I gotta

2297
01:43:04,120 --> 01:43:09,200
Speaker 2: tell you, like, how do we feel about constant if

2298
01:43:09,240 --> 01:43:13,840
Speaker 2: not so much molestation, but constant use of fast food

2299
01:43:13,880 --> 01:43:15,960
Speaker 2: workers first for our TikTok videos?

2300
01:43:15,960 --> 01:43:16,840
Speaker 3: Do we feel like that's fair?

2301
01:43:16,880 --> 01:43:20,200
Speaker 4: How do we feel that more than as a former

2302
01:43:21,080 --> 01:43:22,240
Speaker 4: drive considerate?

2303
01:43:22,640 --> 01:43:22,920
Speaker 3: Yeah?

2304
01:43:23,040 --> 01:43:25,559
Speaker 4: All right, uh luke. I used to be that teenage

2305
01:43:25,640 --> 01:43:27,920
Speaker 4: kid who would put so much ketchup on his plate

2306
01:43:27,960 --> 01:43:30,240
Speaker 4: that I would dip the entire burger into it and

2307
01:43:30,240 --> 01:43:31,960
Speaker 4: it would be like dripping when I take a bite.

2308
01:43:32,080 --> 01:43:34,960
Speaker 4: I was a savage, but I wasn't this savage.

2309
01:43:36,320 --> 01:43:38,880
Speaker 5: Okay, you want to do this for a long time.

2310
01:43:39,439 --> 01:43:52,000
Speaker 5: Double cheeseburger, h ketchup. It's beautiful, just like that, go

2311
01:43:52,080 --> 01:43:53,680
Speaker 5: all the way to the bottom.

2312
01:43:53,880 --> 01:44:14,400
Speaker 2: Oh m hm, like me trying to clean myself in

2313
01:44:14,400 --> 01:44:16,400
Speaker 2: Columbia after my bout with diarrhea.

2314
01:44:16,960 --> 01:44:20,200
Speaker 4: Oh the guy's so gross, right, so gross? Yeah, you

2315
01:44:20,240 --> 01:44:20,880
Speaker 4: don't even like.

2316
01:44:21,200 --> 01:44:23,040
Speaker 2: Here's the thing about it, like you're laughing about that,

2317
01:44:23,080 --> 01:44:25,160
Speaker 2: but where exactly is the humor.

2318
01:44:26,400 --> 01:44:29,280
Speaker 3: He's just being he's just being stupid, right.

2319
01:44:29,400 --> 01:44:31,920
Speaker 4: Like this is what those people do, those dubt's, Luke,

2320
01:44:32,560 --> 01:44:34,559
Speaker 4: that guy looks like every dad from my hometown. By

2321
01:44:34,560 --> 01:44:36,880
Speaker 4: the way, I'll say that our final extreme.

2322
01:44:36,600 --> 01:44:38,960
Speaker 3: E the burger looked quite nice. He just ruined it.

2323
01:44:39,000 --> 01:44:40,920
Speaker 3: But you know what, yeah, I mean.

2324
01:44:40,800 --> 01:44:42,559
Speaker 4: But let's check out this guy trying to take down

2325
01:44:42,600 --> 01:44:44,720
Speaker 4: the whole car in his mouth. Watch this.

2326
01:44:53,880 --> 01:44:56,679
Speaker 2: Okay, that's a little better. That's a little better. That's

2327
01:44:56,720 --> 01:45:00,280
Speaker 2: definitely Joey Joey Chestnut, the grossest person in America. Yeah,

2328
01:45:01,920 --> 01:45:05,400
Speaker 2: himself with hot dog buns every July fourth.

2329
01:45:05,439 --> 01:45:07,519
Speaker 4: Imagine having a French kiss that guy. If you're if

2330
01:45:07,560 --> 01:45:10,200
Speaker 4: you're like dating him, Luke, that's gotta be just there's

2331
01:45:10,200 --> 01:45:12,400
Speaker 4: so much fork in there. That's gross. All Right, it's

2332
01:45:12,400 --> 01:45:14,120
Speaker 4: time to rate that tat Luke. This is where you

2333
01:45:14,120 --> 01:45:17,599
Speaker 4: do your best work. You and Cheeto vera big trouble,

2334
01:45:18,000 --> 01:45:19,800
Speaker 4: big tattoo. Check this out, Luke.

2335
01:45:20,400 --> 01:45:22,800
Speaker 3: That is a ten out of ten. I wouldn't want it.

2336
01:45:22,840 --> 01:45:23,680
Speaker 3: I wouldn't get it.

2337
01:45:24,720 --> 01:45:26,600
Speaker 2: Kurt Russell got a bit of a weird nose, but

2338
01:45:27,520 --> 01:45:31,000
Speaker 2: in general, that is Kim Katrall.

2339
01:45:31,080 --> 01:45:32,960
Speaker 3: Wow, you got Kim katrol I got the whole nine

2340
01:45:32,960 --> 01:45:33,240
Speaker 3: on there.

2341
01:45:33,360 --> 01:45:35,760
Speaker 1: Huh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

2342
01:45:36,560 --> 01:45:38,959
Speaker 2: That's very By the way, a couple of the faces

2343
01:45:39,120 --> 01:45:41,439
Speaker 2: below near the ankle are a little bit jacked up,

2344
01:45:41,479 --> 01:45:45,360
Speaker 2: but in general, in general, this is an extremely good tattoo,

2345
01:45:45,720 --> 01:45:46,519
Speaker 2: very very good.

2346
01:45:46,760 --> 01:45:49,639
Speaker 4: Dan Hooker's had a big twenty twenty three adding ink

2347
01:45:49,720 --> 01:45:53,520
Speaker 4: to his body. Here's the latest, Luke, your thoughts.

2348
01:45:53,360 --> 01:45:56,320
Speaker 3: It's a lot. It's a lot.

2349
01:45:58,600 --> 01:46:01,000
Speaker 4: To be quite candid with you, I would agree. Look, yeah,

2350
01:46:01,080 --> 01:46:01,880
Speaker 4: that is.

2351
01:46:02,439 --> 01:46:04,519
Speaker 3: You know, it's hard to go to the PTA meeting

2352
01:46:04,560 --> 01:46:05,400
Speaker 3: with that, you know what I mean?

2353
01:46:06,439 --> 01:46:08,920
Speaker 4: That's right, all right. What do you think about vegan tats?

2354
01:46:15,720 --> 01:46:18,360
Speaker 4: Looks like when you go to Columbia eat everything? Yeah

2355
01:46:18,400 --> 01:46:19,599
Speaker 4: all right, all right.

2356
01:46:19,520 --> 01:46:21,200
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, same.

2357
01:46:21,040 --> 01:46:24,519
Speaker 4: Rule time for your car bumper sticker of the week

2358
01:46:25,600 --> 01:46:27,240
Speaker 4: or it's not quite a bumper sticker, Luke, what do

2359
01:46:27,280 --> 01:46:27,640
Speaker 4: you think of that?

2360
01:46:29,720 --> 01:46:35,959
Speaker 2: Okay, you know, if you're gonna deface your own property,

2361
01:46:36,000 --> 01:46:37,479
Speaker 2: that's probably the best way to do.

2362
01:46:37,479 --> 01:46:38,639
Speaker 3: It, totally. Yeah.

2363
01:46:38,680 --> 01:46:40,400
Speaker 4: Look, you ever go to a high school football game

2364
01:46:40,400 --> 01:46:43,240
Speaker 4: and see those old ass newspaper reporters. They've been covering

2365
01:46:43,280 --> 01:46:46,040
Speaker 4: the same local area for fifty two years, and they

2366
01:46:46,160 --> 01:46:49,240
Speaker 4: you know, they smoke cigarettes in bed like before, and

2367
01:46:49,520 --> 01:46:51,559
Speaker 4: you know it's just the worst. Watch this guy's luck

2368
01:46:51,560 --> 01:46:53,519
Speaker 4: on the sideline here. You got to watch out when

2369
01:46:53,520 --> 01:46:54,679
Speaker 4: they run that sweep.

2370
01:46:55,880 --> 01:47:03,360
Speaker 1: Oh no, oh no, that's worst case scenario in every

2371
01:47:03,360 --> 01:47:04,000
Speaker 1: possible way.

2372
01:47:04,080 --> 01:47:04,280
Speaker 3: Right.

2373
01:47:06,280 --> 01:47:09,799
Speaker 2: Oh dude, does this motherfucker not have suspenders or a belt?

2374
01:47:11,720 --> 01:47:14,080
Speaker 4: He dropped his dungarese for the world to see there.

2375
01:47:14,000 --> 01:47:15,960
Speaker 3: Luca, Yeah, I want to point out something.

2376
01:47:16,120 --> 01:47:19,719
Speaker 2: Listen one more time, Micky, if you can one more dude,

2377
01:47:19,800 --> 01:47:23,479
Speaker 2: look at the size of my man's underwear. You could,

2378
01:47:23,720 --> 01:47:27,000
Speaker 2: you could, You could use his underwear as a raft

2379
01:47:27,040 --> 01:47:28,719
Speaker 2: to get from Cuba to Florida.

2380
01:47:28,760 --> 01:47:29,800
Speaker 3: You could absolutely do that.

2381
01:47:30,400 --> 01:47:34,000
Speaker 4: Le Lenardo DiCaprio's character could have survived with underwear like that. Luke,

2382
01:47:34,040 --> 01:47:37,200
Speaker 4: and Titanic, for sure. Let's go to the punch machine.

2383
01:47:37,280 --> 01:47:43,160
Speaker 4: It's instant comedy at all times. Right maybe, oh, we

2384
01:47:43,160 --> 01:47:45,800
Speaker 4: don't have that one, But what we do have just

2385
01:47:45,880 --> 01:47:48,920
Speaker 4: in its place, Luke is Oscar de l Joya being weird.

2386
01:47:48,920 --> 01:47:51,520
Speaker 4: What do you think about this?

2387
01:47:58,920 --> 01:47:59,719
Speaker 3: What is he saying?

2388
01:48:00,120 --> 01:48:07,559
Speaker 4: Uh?

2389
01:48:09,000 --> 01:48:12,639
Speaker 2: Uh Oscar staying sober these days?

2390
01:48:12,680 --> 01:48:12,920
Speaker 6: You know.

2391
01:48:15,960 --> 01:48:18,800
Speaker 4: His his Uh, social media has been in it's just

2392
01:48:18,880 --> 01:48:19,679
Speaker 4: been out of control.

2393
01:48:19,920 --> 01:48:20,720
Speaker 5: Is it me?

2394
01:48:20,920 --> 01:48:23,720
Speaker 3: Or is he picking more fights than ever these days? Ever?

2395
01:48:23,960 --> 01:48:25,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, he is all right. Time for your fails of

2396
01:48:25,960 --> 01:48:28,080
Speaker 4: the week. Uh, this is why old people shouldn't jump

2397
01:48:28,160 --> 01:48:29,599
Speaker 4: rope for this reason, right, har Luke?

2398
01:48:29,720 --> 01:48:38,360
Speaker 3: Oh no, what the fuck? Dude? That did not go

2399
01:48:38,520 --> 01:48:40,320
Speaker 3: how I thought it was gonna go. I was getting

2400
01:48:40,360 --> 01:48:42,840
Speaker 3: ready for a face plant. My man just teleported through

2401
01:48:42,880 --> 01:48:44,559
Speaker 3: the goodbye.

2402
01:48:45,120 --> 01:48:47,680
Speaker 4: Look, speaking of place face plants, you ever try to

2403
01:48:47,760 --> 01:48:55,760
Speaker 4: jump a stream with a with a BMX Oh no,

2404
01:48:59,400 --> 01:49:02,280
Speaker 4: well you ended up where you belong the whole time,

2405
01:49:02,640 --> 01:49:03,400
Speaker 4: six feet under.

2406
01:49:03,439 --> 01:49:04,040
Speaker 3: That's dude.

2407
01:49:04,040 --> 01:49:05,840
Speaker 2: Look at this, by the way, that that white guy

2408
01:49:05,880 --> 01:49:10,280
Speaker 2: could barely leap across, I mean just enough speed to

2409
01:49:10,280 --> 01:49:12,600
Speaker 2: get I want to point out this motherfucker had just

2410
01:49:12,720 --> 01:49:14,120
Speaker 2: enough speed to get paralyzed.

2411
01:49:14,360 --> 01:49:18,559
Speaker 4: That's all right. Let's go over the back nine here

2412
01:49:18,560 --> 01:49:20,439
Speaker 4: for our third fail of the week. But this is

2413
01:49:20,439 --> 01:49:25,719
Speaker 4: actually on purpose. Pretty funny though. Yeah, great open field

2414
01:49:25,720 --> 01:49:26,519
Speaker 4: tackle right there.

2415
01:49:26,600 --> 01:49:28,720
Speaker 3: Look that's great, dude. That was golf. Was more of

2416
01:49:28,760 --> 01:49:30,559
Speaker 3: that I'd be would watch.

2417
01:49:31,920 --> 01:49:35,000
Speaker 4: Okay, Hey, Luke, I know you stand by d C

2418
01:49:35,400 --> 01:49:38,000
Speaker 4: at all times. Have ever been to u Street in Washington.

2419
01:49:38,160 --> 01:49:39,320
Speaker 3: Yeah. U Street is famous.

2420
01:49:39,400 --> 01:49:43,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, well let's go on and see the ladies

2421
01:49:43,439 --> 01:49:44,679
Speaker 4: on U Street, Luke.

2422
01:49:55,160 --> 01:49:56,760
Speaker 3: Ladies of the Night on you by the way.

2423
01:49:56,840 --> 01:49:59,080
Speaker 2: So that area you see that warby Parker there, that's

2424
01:49:59,080 --> 01:50:01,759
Speaker 2: actually where I got the glasses. That's a real true story.

2425
01:50:02,040 --> 01:50:05,760
Speaker 2: Nice the uh, that area is actually pretty nice. But

2426
01:50:06,080 --> 01:50:08,640
Speaker 2: it's right near this like sports bar where all of

2427
01:50:08,640 --> 01:50:13,360
Speaker 2: this craziness happens called Nelly's. And uh, dude, motherfuckers be acting.

2428
01:50:13,439 --> 01:50:15,200
Speaker 2: They act wild out there, they act while out there.

2429
01:50:15,240 --> 01:50:16,240
Speaker 2: You're too old for that ship.

2430
01:50:16,320 --> 01:50:17,360
Speaker 3: Now, I can't do it.

2431
01:50:17,600 --> 01:50:19,439
Speaker 4: Look you and I will be back in studio this

2432
01:50:19,479 --> 01:50:22,280
Speaker 4: week in Jersey, and I already petitioned a Malca to

2433
01:50:22,320 --> 01:50:24,599
Speaker 4: pick this item up. This is the only way I'll

2434
01:50:24,600 --> 01:50:26,000
Speaker 4: sit next to you is if you're wearing this.

2435
01:50:26,160 --> 01:50:37,960
Speaker 2: Okay, dude, I literally let a fart go this morning.

2436
01:50:38,720 --> 01:50:43,280
Speaker 2: I got up and my wife goes, don't assault me.

2437
01:50:44,160 --> 01:50:48,000
Speaker 2: Don't assault me with your fart. That's how bad it was.

2438
01:50:48,120 --> 01:50:50,679
Speaker 4: Wow, she she had Dutch Oven flashbacks right there.

2439
01:50:51,479 --> 01:50:53,040
Speaker 3: It was. It was. It was ugly.

2440
01:50:53,320 --> 01:50:55,200
Speaker 4: Hey, I got good and bad news about Gary Busey.

2441
01:50:55,320 --> 01:50:55,519
Speaker 3: Luke.

2442
01:50:57,520 --> 01:50:58,840
Speaker 4: The good news is still alive.

2443
01:50:59,360 --> 01:51:01,719
Speaker 3: What he got sober. That would be the bad news.

2444
01:51:01,760 --> 01:51:03,880
Speaker 4: Oh no, the good news is he's still alive. The

2445
01:51:03,960 --> 01:51:06,120
Speaker 4: bad news is Luke buttered sausage.

2446
01:51:06,560 --> 01:51:08,559
Speaker 3: First of all, Gary, thank you for being on. Let's

2447
01:51:08,560 --> 01:51:10,360
Speaker 3: talk about the current real estate market, and we.

2448
01:51:10,439 --> 01:51:13,720
Speaker 5: Talk about buttered sausage, talk about buttered sausage, where it

2449
01:51:13,760 --> 01:51:14,280
Speaker 5: comes from.

2450
01:51:14,200 --> 01:51:16,240
Speaker 3: What it does, Why is it doing what it's doing?

2451
01:51:16,280 --> 01:51:20,560
Speaker 3: Get it out of my face, buttered sausage, buttered sausage.

2452
01:51:21,360 --> 01:51:23,639
Speaker 3: I take it real estate. It's not your jam. It's

2453
01:51:23,680 --> 01:51:25,880
Speaker 3: not my jam. I don't buy jam, buy honey, and

2454
01:51:25,920 --> 01:51:31,800
Speaker 3: I kiss it on the lips. Oh my god, hold on,

2455
01:51:32,680 --> 01:51:35,639
Speaker 3: is that? What is that? What is is that real?

2456
01:51:36,040 --> 01:51:38,519
Speaker 4: I don't think so. But it's brilliant just I mean, no,

2457
01:51:38,640 --> 01:51:40,679
Speaker 4: it is kind of real, right like I believe Gary

2458
01:51:40,720 --> 01:51:44,200
Speaker 4: Busey said that. But the interview feels set up. It

2459
01:51:44,240 --> 01:51:44,880
Speaker 4: does feel like.

2460
01:51:46,120 --> 01:51:47,519
Speaker 3: Let me see that one more time. I gotta go

2461
01:51:47,680 --> 01:51:49,960
Speaker 3: see I gotta see crazy Gary one more. First of all, Gary,

2462
01:51:49,960 --> 01:51:51,960
Speaker 3: thank you for being on. Let's talk about the current

2463
01:51:52,000 --> 01:51:54,960
Speaker 3: real estate market, and we talk about buttered sausage. Talk

2464
01:51:55,000 --> 01:51:57,400
Speaker 3: about buttered sausage. Where it comes from, what it does,

2465
01:51:57,560 --> 01:51:59,320
Speaker 3: why is it doing what it's doing. Get it out

2466
01:51:59,320 --> 01:52:04,360
Speaker 3: of my face. Buttered sausage, buttered sausage. I take it,

2467
01:52:04,439 --> 01:52:06,880
Speaker 3: real estate. It's not your jam, it's not my jam.

2468
01:52:06,880 --> 01:52:08,960
Speaker 3: I don't buy jam by honey and I kiss it

2469
01:52:09,000 --> 01:52:13,400
Speaker 3: on the lips. Oh my god, that's how. That's how

2470
01:52:13,400 --> 01:52:16,040
Speaker 3: BC ends every phone call. I don't boy jam, I'll

2471
01:52:16,040 --> 01:52:17,439
Speaker 3: buy honey and I kiss it on the lip.

2472
01:52:17,640 --> 01:52:21,479
Speaker 4: Spy, Oh so good. Look, if I end up that like,

2473
01:52:21,520 --> 01:52:23,719
Speaker 4: the grandfather version of me will probably look and sound

2474
01:52:23,720 --> 01:52:24,960
Speaker 4: exactly like that, inevitably.

2475
01:52:25,040 --> 01:52:26,400
Speaker 3: Right, let me explain something to you.

2476
01:52:26,479 --> 01:52:29,599
Speaker 2: Ending up that way would be infinitely better than how

2477
01:52:29,600 --> 01:52:30,880
Speaker 2: I'm probably going to end.

2478
01:52:31,360 --> 01:52:34,320
Speaker 4: Which, yeah, yeah, you're right, you're right, all right, I

2479
01:52:34,320 --> 01:52:36,960
Speaker 4: got one more or I got one more for you, Luke,

2480
01:52:37,080 --> 01:52:38,640
Speaker 4: I don't know if you ever ordered a coke and

2481
01:52:38,680 --> 01:52:41,240
Speaker 4: a drive through. I don't know if you ever ordered

2482
01:52:41,240 --> 01:52:45,519
Speaker 4: a coke and drive through like this guy did. Let's listens, well,

2483
01:52:45,560 --> 01:52:53,880
Speaker 4: only have coke. I'll take a gram, just a coffee's good.

2484
01:52:56,880 --> 01:52:57,559
Speaker 3: See what I mean?

2485
01:52:57,920 --> 01:53:03,000
Speaker 2: Harassing these these fast food and yes, your dumbass tiktoks.

2486
01:53:02,760 --> 01:53:04,720
Speaker 4: That was brought to you by coach Craig Jones. Thank

2487
01:53:04,720 --> 01:53:07,000
Speaker 4: you very much. That's all the ship that can that's

2488
01:53:07,000 --> 01:53:10,320
Speaker 4: fit to print. Look, do you remember to close here?

2489
01:53:11,120 --> 01:53:14,880
Speaker 4: M K doncumentary number two, which still arguably the best one,

2490
01:53:15,200 --> 01:53:17,519
Speaker 4: and it closed with a song. A member of our

2491
01:53:17,600 --> 01:53:21,920
Speaker 4: Donka verse wrote saying, uh, I can be your co

2492
01:53:22,000 --> 01:53:23,639
Speaker 4: host baby by Ricky Martin.

2493
01:53:23,960 --> 01:53:25,480
Speaker 3: Yes, or Enrique.

2494
01:53:25,160 --> 01:53:29,320
Speaker 4: Iglesias Junior, one of the two. Yeah, and that guy's

2495
01:53:29,360 --> 01:53:34,320
Speaker 4: name is Damien O'Hara, I believe, Ohannah. This guy started

2496
01:53:34,360 --> 01:53:37,920
Speaker 4: his own podcast and interviewed John S Nash about the

2497
01:53:37,960 --> 01:53:41,760
Speaker 4: anti trust and fighter relations. So ah. Another podcaster has

2498
01:53:41,800 --> 01:53:45,600
Speaker 4: been birth Luke from the charred remains of m. Kllins

2499
01:53:45,640 --> 01:53:46,840
Speaker 4: And I'm very happy to see that.

2500
01:53:48,000 --> 01:53:49,160
Speaker 3: All right, very good.

2501
01:53:49,680 --> 01:53:51,760
Speaker 4: It looks like I don't know that guy. I don't care.

2502
01:53:52,479 --> 01:53:55,679
Speaker 2: That's more good publicity than you've than I've ever gotten

2503
01:53:55,680 --> 01:53:56,960
Speaker 2: from you about my personal channel.

2504
01:53:56,960 --> 01:53:57,920
Speaker 3: I just want to point that out.

2505
01:53:57,960 --> 01:54:01,320
Speaker 4: I've never told people of where they can send their money, Luke,

2506
01:54:01,360 --> 01:54:03,639
Speaker 4: and whether in the value that they can get.

2507
01:54:03,479 --> 01:54:05,000
Speaker 3: You want to shove it up their ass is what

2508
01:54:05,040 --> 01:54:05,320
Speaker 3: you want?

2509
01:54:05,439 --> 01:54:06,720
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

2510
01:54:06,760 --> 01:54:08,719
Speaker 3: By the way, how's the cameo business is it still?

2511
01:54:09,240 --> 01:54:11,040
Speaker 4: Yeah? I got to I got too in the whole

2512
01:54:11,040 --> 01:54:13,120
Speaker 4: store right now. I gotta I gotta knock out it's

2513
01:54:13,120 --> 01:54:14,360
Speaker 4: still it's still moving product.

2514
01:54:14,439 --> 01:54:14,559
Speaker 3: Luke.

2515
01:54:14,600 --> 01:54:15,400
Speaker 4: You know, it's a nice way.

2516
01:54:15,520 --> 01:54:18,679
Speaker 2: I'm gonna make you do a cameo, and I'm gonna

2517
01:54:18,920 --> 01:54:21,160
Speaker 2: I'm gonna, I gotta figure exactly how I'm gonna do it.

2518
01:54:21,200 --> 01:54:22,519
Speaker 3: But you're not gonna like it.

2519
01:54:22,960 --> 01:54:24,400
Speaker 4: Okay, Okay, I'm into that.

2520
01:54:24,439 --> 01:54:26,519
Speaker 3: What's the cheapest cameo? What's the cheapest one?

2521
01:54:28,320 --> 01:54:30,479
Speaker 4: You mean? I mean you set your own prices.

2522
01:54:31,560 --> 01:54:33,480
Speaker 2: You don't have like a I don't don't they have like, oh,

2523
01:54:33,480 --> 01:54:35,560
Speaker 2: it's one hundred bucks for this person, that's fifty.

2524
01:54:35,240 --> 01:54:36,000
Speaker 3: Bucks for that person.

2525
01:54:36,040 --> 01:54:38,640
Speaker 4: You have one price for a regular cameo. Then there's

2526
01:54:38,640 --> 01:54:41,160
Speaker 4: a really expensive price if you're doing a corporate version,

2527
01:54:41,200 --> 01:54:43,960
Speaker 4: like for another company. And then they can add they

2528
01:54:43,960 --> 01:54:47,200
Speaker 4: can order off the menu and add on special requests,

2529
01:54:47,320 --> 01:54:49,320
Speaker 4: or they can DM you for a couple of bucks.

2530
01:54:49,880 --> 01:54:51,200
Speaker 4: I don't know, Luke. There's a lot of ways to

2531
01:54:51,240 --> 01:54:52,960
Speaker 4: scam your audience there, but at least I try to

2532
01:54:52,960 --> 01:54:53,760
Speaker 4: do it consentually.

2533
01:54:53,800 --> 01:54:56,760
Speaker 3: You know, what's the most anyone's paid you for a cameo?

2534
01:54:58,680 --> 01:55:01,200
Speaker 4: Well, they can tip you after so I've been tipped

2535
01:55:01,680 --> 01:55:03,800
Speaker 4: the full amount that they paid for the cameo because

2536
01:55:03,800 --> 01:55:05,440
Speaker 4: they were so happy. Luke, I mean, look, you know

2537
01:55:05,720 --> 01:55:08,640
Speaker 4: two X read my reviews. The proof is in the putting,

2538
01:55:08,800 --> 01:55:10,520
Speaker 4: as Floyd would say, Luke, Okay.

2539
01:55:10,440 --> 01:55:11,400
Speaker 3: Yes, it certainly is.

2540
01:55:11,480 --> 01:55:13,320
Speaker 2: All right, let's remind people about the putting we've been

2541
01:55:13,320 --> 01:55:15,200
Speaker 2: putting in that work. So why don't you vote for

2542
01:55:15,320 --> 01:55:18,520
Speaker 2: us if you can? For the World MMA Awards. There

2543
01:55:18,680 --> 01:55:20,800
Speaker 2: is the graphic right there. You can put your phone

2544
01:55:20,880 --> 01:55:22,480
Speaker 2: up to the screen, you can do all the voting.

2545
01:55:23,000 --> 01:55:25,840
Speaker 2: You can vote for Morning Combat Best MMA Programming for

2546
01:55:25,880 --> 01:55:29,720
Speaker 2: the fifteenth annual World MMA Awards, and of course WORLDMEMA Awards.

2547
01:55:29,800 --> 01:55:32,400
Speaker 2: Dot Com is gonna be the place to do that.

2548
01:55:32,480 --> 01:55:36,560
Speaker 2: Of course, Showtime dot Com is the label that pays.

2549
01:55:36,880 --> 01:55:40,320
Speaker 2: You can go there too for all the Showtime stuff.

2550
01:55:41,160 --> 01:55:44,120
Speaker 2: Let's see Morning Combat at gmail dot com for fan subs.

2551
01:55:44,120 --> 01:55:44,520
Speaker 3: Did it wrong?

2552
01:55:44,640 --> 01:55:46,440
Speaker 2: Now, b see, we should do this. I'm kind of

2553
01:55:46,440 --> 01:55:48,600
Speaker 2: calling an audible here, but I do want your participation

2554
01:55:48,680 --> 01:55:51,800
Speaker 2: if we can very quickly. Yeah, we have toyed with

2555
01:55:51,920 --> 01:55:55,040
Speaker 2: the idea of doing like a DMS from Donks kind

2556
01:55:55,080 --> 01:55:58,640
Speaker 2: of segment where people send in either audio clips that

2557
01:55:58,640 --> 01:56:02,640
Speaker 2: they've recorded of themselves yes, or video clips. Would you

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01:56:02,760 --> 01:56:04,960
Speaker 2: like to kick the tires on that for you.

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Speaker 4: I would day, I would. So here's what we need

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01:56:07,440 --> 01:56:09,840
Speaker 4: from you, folks. We need you to utilize that email

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01:56:09,960 --> 01:56:11,560
Speaker 4: dress where you send in your fan subs and dead

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01:56:11,560 --> 01:56:13,760
Speaker 4: wrongs Morning Combat at gmail dot com. Mikey's on the

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Speaker 4: other end. But we need some multimedia. Like Luke said,

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Speaker 4: if you if you got a face for a radio

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01:56:18,120 --> 01:56:20,480
Speaker 4: and you can only do audio, that's cool, but you

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01:56:20,520 --> 01:56:22,440
Speaker 4: want to get fun. You want to get cool, you

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01:56:22,480 --> 01:56:25,080
Speaker 4: want to get your question answered. You can send them

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01:56:25,160 --> 01:56:27,800
Speaker 4: in over video. You can roast us, you can do

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01:56:27,840 --> 01:56:31,200
Speaker 4: whatever you want. Go to Morningcombat at gmail dot com

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Speaker 4: and look, this could be the beginning of taking that

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Speaker 4: segment to the next level.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yes, I would love to do this. So BC

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01:56:37,640 --> 01:56:39,720
Speaker 2: gave you all the info. Just take a you can

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01:56:39,840 --> 01:56:42,000
Speaker 2: use your phone record it, send an MP three to

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Speaker 2: us at Morning Coombat or Morningcombat at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 2: Do all of that, or take a video. We would

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Speaker 2: you know, I'll be honest. Video preferred but not required,

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01:56:50,720 --> 01:56:52,680
Speaker 2: not required, And if you want to do that, we

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Speaker 2: would love We would love to do more of that

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Speaker 2: kind of stuff with you, guys.

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Speaker 3: I think it'd be a lot of fun.

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Speaker 4: It would also help like that trivia challenge ahead while

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01:57:00,880 --> 01:57:03,280
Speaker 4: you were gone, Luke for Shack to try to I

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01:57:03,320 --> 01:57:05,240
Speaker 4: was meant to just solictit. How many ten out of

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01:57:05,240 --> 01:57:07,080
Speaker 4: ten responses we can get to find out who are

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Speaker 4: the real p ones that will most likely try the harvest?

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Speaker 4: Jorgan's in a pool, inside a tub, and in an

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Speaker 4: abandoned building. So now if we get video footage of

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Speaker 4: them speaking, it'll help the authorities win this show. Inevitably,

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Speaker 4: Kay ends my co host death.

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Speaker 3: So love just tragic tragic stabbing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, all right, I gotta go to the bathroom,

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01:57:25,960 --> 01:57:28,640
Speaker 4: get on a plane. Look, I'll be hosting the Canelo

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Speaker 4: Charlo pay per view Undercolord press conference tomorrow in La.

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Speaker 4: We got your Dennis Ugas, we got ericson Lubin, we

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01:57:35,520 --> 01:57:38,440
Speaker 4: got Jesus Ramos Junior. We got so many big names,

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Speaker 4: Mario Barrios, Elijah Garcia, on and on. So tomorrow afternoon,

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Speaker 4: people can check that out on the Showtime Sports YouTube channel.

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Speaker 2: All right, so BC's got to catch a bird. We're

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Speaker 2: done for the day. We're gonna have some fun on Wednesday.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna be in studio on Friday, and a whole

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Speaker 2: lot of stuff between.

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Speaker 3: Now and then. Thank you guys so much for watching

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Speaker 3: for showtime for CBS. Thank you Mike.

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Speaker 2: Yeah know, we busted your balls up front, but you

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Speaker 2: did a great job today. Thank you, Mike, you, thank

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Speaker 2: you everyone else involved in the process. We'll see you

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Speaker 2: guys on Wednesday, and until then, may all of your

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Speaker 2: gains be loyal.