1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: Hey, guys, ready or not, twenty twenty four is here, 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:06,280 Speaker 1: and we here at breaking points, are already thinking of 3 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: ways we can up our game for this critical election. 4 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:11,719 Speaker 2: We rely on our premium subs to expand coverage, upgrade 5 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 2: the studio ad staff give you, guys, the best independent. 6 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 3: Coverage that is possible. 7 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 2: If you like what we're all about, it just means 8 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:20,080 Speaker 2: the absolute world to have your support. 9 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 3: But enough with that, let's get to the show. So, 10 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 3: as part of. 11 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:26,159 Speaker 1: Our coverage of the Hollywood shutdown with the actors and 12 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: writers on strike, we brought to you some colorful commentary 13 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: from Ron Pearlman spelling out exactly how we felt about 14 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 1: the studio execs saying they were going to keep the 15 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 1: writers out on strike until they start losing their homes. 16 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 4: And we are very excited to be. 17 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:41,199 Speaker 1: Joined now by Ron Perlman himself. 18 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 3: Welcome. 19 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 5: I'm just glad ed large the events of the last 20 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 5: few days. 21 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 4: Well judge us a little bit. 22 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 6: Thanks for yeah, thanks for having It's. 23 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: Our pleasure, really grateful you took the time just talk 24 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: to us a little bit about some of the emotions 25 00:00:58,480 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: that animated what you. 26 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:00,080 Speaker 3: Had to say. 27 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 6: It's savage. 28 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:12,039 Speaker 5: When especially people who are colleagues of yours, or reported 29 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 5: to be colleagues of yours, in the same industry as you, 30 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:19,680 Speaker 5: with the same wants and needs and hopefully visions as 31 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 5: you two have to not I mean, saying feeling is bad, 32 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 5: saying it out loud is is completely unacceptable. We're not 33 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 5: going to come to the bargaining table until people start 34 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:44,559 Speaker 5: losing their houses. And it just pushes a lot of buttons, 35 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 5: and it's indicative of. 36 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 6: A kind of. 37 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 5: A struggle that's been going on since labor decided to 38 00:01:56,600 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 5: organize and and force man to at least address giving 39 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 5: us a modicum of recognition. Yeah, there's a lot of 40 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 5: other things we want, but recognition that we're. 41 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 6: Humans and then we have families, and that. 42 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 5: We're doing all the work that gives you, guys the 43 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:23,799 Speaker 5: right to give you heavy, big golden parachutes and whatever 44 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 5: all other toys that you're obsessed with having. But we 45 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 5: just would like to be treated with some dignity and 46 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 5: respect and humanity, right, And if you give us those things, 47 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 5: you'll be amazed at how far that kind of good 48 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 5: will goes with working stiffs. We're pretty loyal people. We're 49 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:46,679 Speaker 5: not out for golden parachutes. We're just out for a 50 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 5: good day's pay, for a good day's work, and the 51 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 5: ability to raise our families with dignity. 52 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 2: Right Ron, your comments were kind of misconstrued by a 53 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:00,359 Speaker 2: lot of people in the media. You issue to quote claireification. 54 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:02,639 Speaker 2: I actually didn't think what you were saying was all 55 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 2: that threatening. What do you think that the reception to it, 56 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 2: though sparked in terms of people putting a quote on 57 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 2: T shirts, it really becoming a rallying Crist shows about 58 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 2: the way that the writers and the actors are standing 59 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 2: tall in the current strike. 60 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 5: Well, there was a movie called Network on Peter f 61 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 5: Peter Finch said, I want you to go to your windows, 62 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:28,519 Speaker 5: open them up, and stick your head out and say, 63 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 5: I'm Matt as Helen. 64 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 6: I'm not going to take it anymore. 65 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 5: And I think we're at this point in our society 66 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 5: where the haves and the have nots are almost at 67 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 5: the miserob levels. The disparity is so great, the threat 68 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 5: to the very existence of a middle class is really 69 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 5: palpable and really real. And so I think when you 70 00:03:56,320 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 5: respond to it kind of a visceral, no holes bar 71 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 5: shoots from the hip kind of way, people go fuck. Yeah, yeah, 72 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 5: I wish i'd said that, you know, so that's what 73 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 5: it was, but it you know, but I noticed that, 74 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 5: you know, I've been taking to Instagram live for the 75 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 5: five days hence, and none of that's making the news. 76 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 5: It's just, you know, they want to the way that 77 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 5: the medium the media is set up, they they go 78 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 5: for the clickbait, they go for the stuff. It's incendiary 79 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 5: and bordering on unacceptable. And the reason why I went 80 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 5: back on and clarified my comments and said that I 81 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 5: don't really wish anybody any harm, but I hope the 82 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 5: motherfucker who made that statement also doesn't wish anybody any harm, 83 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 5: is because I didn't want it to be taken as 84 00:04:55,680 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 5: as this one dimensional, out of control, very dismissible kind of. 85 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 6: Ramps. It was. 86 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: It was. 87 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 5: It was a call to decency and it needed to 88 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 5: be put in a perspective where it wasn't used in 89 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 5: some kind of incendiary clickbait fashion. 90 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: Right, Ron, what do you have to say to studio 91 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 1: heads who say listen streaming has taken a big bite 92 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 1: on of our Apple We're struggling to figure out. 93 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:29,039 Speaker 4: This new business model. 94 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: And as Bob Iger said from from Disney, the demands 95 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: from actors aren't reasonable, they're unreasonable. What's your response to 96 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: those claims? 97 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 6: Fuck you? I mean I listened to the salaries of 98 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 6: the ten Guys. The second. 99 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:54,119 Speaker 5: You know it's up, it's up in the two hundred 100 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 5: and thirty five miggion dollars a year range. You can't 101 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 5: tell me you can't flete poverty and from your yacht, 102 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 5: and and and and be credible. 103 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 6: You come off like a Dickens villain. 104 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 5: And if that's the conversation that needs to be had 105 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 5: to it said something else, you know, in the aftermath 106 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 5: of those initial comments, which is that this uh, this 107 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 5: strike is is nothing more than a symptom of a 108 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 5: kind of a cynicism that has taken hold. 109 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 6: Between the people who. 110 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 5: Only get their ill gotten gains by devaluing other people. 111 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:46,720 Speaker 5: And it's kind of a gas lighting that we don't 112 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 5: just see it in in the motion picture industry. We 113 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:53,719 Speaker 5: see it everywhere. There's an entire party that runs on 114 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 5: making sure we hate each other, making sure we devalue 115 00:06:59,080 --> 00:06:59,479 Speaker 5: each other. 116 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 6: That's the way. 117 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 5: That's that's their their route into controlling us, which is, 118 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 5: you know, people who are. 119 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 6: Power hungry, that's that's that's the game plan. 120 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 5: So a guy who tells me we don't have the 121 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 5: resources and then writes himself a fucking check for two 122 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 5: hundred and thirty five million dollars, you know, I mean, 123 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 5: come on, come on, you run your you know, don't 124 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 5: don't push it down my back and tell me it's raining. 125 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 2: Right, You're in a lucky position. Ron. People know your name, 126 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 2: you're able. You know we can talk here. We've talked 127 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 2: previously with Susan Saran In just a couple of minutes ago. 128 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 2: We were talking about how many of the people who 129 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 2: are in the union. You know, these people are barely 130 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 2: struggling in order to get health insurance. So why do 131 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 2: you think it's important for people like you and others 132 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 2: who are maybe more well known by the public in 133 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 2: order to speak out on behalf of those people? 134 00:07:57,320 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 5: You think all we're all we're really looking for is 135 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 5: is a level playing here. 136 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 6: And I think that, you know, what we're hoping for is. 137 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 5: Some sort of recognition that we're kind of in different 138 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 5: size boats. 139 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 6: We're all on the same seas, and. 140 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 5: We're all growing in the same direction, and we you know, 141 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 5: we we the conclusion I ultimately came to after many 142 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 5: days of grappling with all this is that. 143 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 6: We should be loving each other. 144 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 5: We recognize your value, we hope that you renize ours. 145 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 5: And that's something that just needs to be said in 146 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 5: terms of taking the temperature down in the country and stop, 147 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 5: you know, having having a class of people who are orchestrating. 148 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 6: Nothing but defeats and tension. And that comes from just. 149 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:13,359 Speaker 5: Following the Golden rule and loving your neighbor and realizing 150 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:20,839 Speaker 5: that everybody's got families and everybody's got parents that need 151 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 5: medicine care. And I just I think that that needs 152 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 5: to be the conversation and it plugs into this particular issue. 153 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 5: If you if you get all that stuff right, then 154 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 5: everything else kind of falls into place. 155 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I think that is very well said. 156 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 3: Ron. 157 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: We're really grateful for your time and grateful for you 158 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: you know, speak in your minds. It's powerful here and 159 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's been really I think important to 160 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: see really prominent people such as yourself speaking out not 161 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: just on behalf of this particular struggle, but connecting it 162 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: to broader ruggles and to the overall greed of corporate 163 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 1: CEOs and the way that this impacts working people. 164 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 3: Across the country. 165 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:08,319 Speaker 4: So thank you so much for your time, sir, Thank you. 166 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 6: Ron, thank you, thank you, thanks for having me. Goods. 167 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 1: Absolutely, we've been caught following closely here what is going 168 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 1: on in Hollywood with what is now basically a complete shutdown. 169 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 1: You have the writers and the actors out on strike. 170 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 1: So joining us now, we're really lucky to have Michelle Hurd. 171 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 1: She's a negotiating committee member and she's also sag After 172 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: National Vice president of Los Angeles. And we're also joined 173 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 1: by Susan Sarandon, who, of course is an Academy Award 174 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 1: winning actress and political activist whose words have been said 175 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 1: to be so powerful that she swayed an entire presidential election. 176 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 7: Ladies, great to have you both. 177 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: Welcome, Thank you, Chris, thank you, yes, thank you for 178 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: absolutely Michelle. If you could just start by sort of 179 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 1: laying out, you know, the status of negotiations and what 180 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: are some of the key demands that you all have 181 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 1: asked for that are not being met. 182 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 7: Yeah, So this is really all about economics, because you know, 183 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 7: we actors, we are laborers, we are working class people, 184 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 7: and this is all about fair working wages so that 185 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 7: we can make a living to pay our rent. You know, 186 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 7: there's a misconception of actors that we're sort of all 187 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:17,679 Speaker 7: these elitists that are living in penthouses and riding around 188 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 7: in yachts. 189 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 3: But I really want to clarify this. 190 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:23,199 Speaker 7: All the TV shows that you love watching, all those 191 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:25,679 Speaker 7: different characters, those actors that you say, oh, there's that 192 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 7: person that guide from that show. You don't necessarily know 193 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 7: their names. You may see me and go that curly 194 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 7: haired actress. You could see me do three or four 195 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 7: guest stars on your favorite shows, and you're thinking, Wow, 196 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 7: that actress is working so much. You know, she must 197 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 7: be feeling really good right now. In order for me 198 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 7: to qualify for my health insurance, I need twenty six 199 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 7: thousand dollars. I could do four guest spots on your 200 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 7: favorite shows. And because there's something called TAPA show, which 201 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 7: the AMPTP introduced to us, it's a salary that is 202 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 7: the minimum. We can't negotiate any higher. They say, this 203 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 7: is what you have to take, be five thousand to 204 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 7: eight thousand. I could do those four episodics in my 205 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 7: year and I still don't qualify for health insurance. This 206 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 7: is this is the majority of our union eighty seven 207 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 7: percent of our union, which by the way is one 208 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 7: hundred and sixty thousand people, eighty seven percent don't qualify 209 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:24,959 Speaker 7: for health insurance because of these caps are caps, by 210 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 7: the way, which are there where the employees contributions to 211 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 7: the SAG after Health Plan, the SAG pension and after 212 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 7: Retirement Fund are limited to episodic contributions which haven't. 213 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 3: Been raised since nineteen eighty three. 214 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 7: That's the reason why we had such a terrible thing 215 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 7: in having people fall off their health insurance since nineteen 216 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 7: eighty three. You guys, that is not reflective of any 217 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 7: kind of insurance, other job, any other vocation that this happens. 218 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 7: We've had situations where our AMP top in this proposal 219 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 7: have asked that when background artists come to do work, 220 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 7: they can be scanned for their one day to make 221 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 7: an avatar of their person. That one day of work 222 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 7: is under two hundred dollars one hundred and fifty bucks. 223 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 7: That avatar stays in their library and they can use 224 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 7: my avatar on any show that they want, anything that 225 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 7: they want, in perpetuity, and I will get not one 226 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 7: penny from that. The self tape actors are paying for 227 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 7: the access to audition. I mean, the list goes on 228 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 7: and on. You know, I could spend an hour telling 229 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 7: you all these things. So the bottom line here is 230 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 7: that what we're doing is we're fighting to have a 231 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 7: living wage. We are working paycheck to paycheck. There's nothing 232 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 7: to lead us here. We're talking about fairness, and when 233 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:51,080 Speaker 7: there's billion dollars being made and we can't even make 234 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 7: our insurance, which is just twenty six thousand a year 235 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 7: to qualify, something's wrong. 236 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 6: Yeah. 237 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 3: Absolutely. 238 00:13:57,200 --> 00:13:59,959 Speaker 2: And Susan, you were talking a bit before we started 239 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 2: about how even a listers you have been involved in 240 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:06,679 Speaker 2: a lot of independent films. A lot of people's knowledge 241 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 2: of Hollywood really relies on like big blockbusters. Could you 242 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 2: give people insight into why these negotiations are key for 243 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 2: movies that you know, may not be household names. We're 244 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 2: spilled vital to art and also to making sure that 245 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 2: people in the future also get paid what's a fair wage. 246 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 4: Well, I also want to say I have two sons, 247 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 4: one who is an a writer, director and the other 248 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 4: one who's an actor, and they both went off their 249 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 4: insurance for the longest time because even though they were working, 250 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 4: they weren't working making enough money for them to again 251 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 4: hold on to their insurance. So you know, you see 252 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 4: it everywhere. Everybody's prices are down. Of course, you get 253 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 4: a script, you want to do it if it's a 254 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 4: special script, and then you say, well, maybe we could 255 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 4: do a backend deal, you know, so that we get 256 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 4: something at the end. But having a good property actors 257 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 4: will always take it. Cruise will work. There's so many 258 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 4: things that I do that are kind of labors of love, 259 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 4: and you hope that at the back end you'll see something. 260 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 4: But of course with streaming, those deals don't really mean 261 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 4: anything anymore because you know they'll take it straight and 262 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 4: put it on a stream. So even though you've taken 263 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 4: minimum which also minimum wage is ridiculous because that's also 264 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 4: not been touched. The basic problem is that whatever the 265 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 4: whatever was worked out in terms of the business agreements 266 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 4: in the sixties whenever, obviously they're obsolete with what has 267 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 4: happened to the business. And there was something I don't know, Michelle, 268 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 4: if you want to talk about, but this paramount, what 269 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 4: is it? This thing that in the that expired in 270 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 4: twenty twenty in the midst of all of the pandemic, 271 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 4: and you know, the election and everything that was going on. 272 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 4: We weren't paying attention to this thing that expired, which 273 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 4: changes again the business model and made it more difficult. 274 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 4: Can you explain that, because that's a very interesting thing 275 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 4: that I didn't know about. 276 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 7: Yeah, well, I'm trying to remember what you're referring to. 277 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 7: I will say to clarify all of the differences of 278 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 7: what we used to have. So everybody's used to linear television, right, 279 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 7: we had twenty two to twenty four, twenty six episodes. 280 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 7: That's ten months of work, right, So that's ten months 281 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 7: of work that your actor gets. Then we have residuals, 282 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 7: which is you know, this is a cash cow for 283 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 7: the AMPTP. They were making handover fist and actors were 284 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 7: making a sustainable living. What has been introduced to us now, 285 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 7: which is the streaming platforms, the new media, which Sarah 286 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 7: Susan was literally referring to that if she does a film, 287 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 7: maybe she does this independent film and you know there 288 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 7: might be a back end that independent film now is going. 289 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 3: To go straight to a streamer. Those platforms don't give 290 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 3: us residuals. 291 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 7: And the insidious thing about this new business plan that 292 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 7: was forced upon actors is that we were now introduced 293 00:16:57,240 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 7: to this concept of short series. 294 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 3: We would be taken away, probably going to. 295 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 7: Some other state that we don't live on, so we're 296 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 7: already going to be paying us two rents. We would 297 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 7: shoot for five months, ten episodes. Then those streaming platforms 298 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 7: would hold that show. You guys have seen this because 299 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 7: you watch it. You're waiting for your favorite shows to drop. 300 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 7: They wait till they decide to drop it. Then they 301 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 7: drop it. Then they can wait one, two, three, four 302 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 7: years to inform me as to whether that show is 303 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 7: going to get picked up, let alone whether I'm picked 304 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 7: up with that show. So in that time, I can't 305 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 7: procure another series, regular job. I can't do something that 306 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 7: might help my career to get me level. 307 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:34,120 Speaker 3: My up what Susan was referring to. 308 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 7: Instead of shows films being staying in the theaters for longer, 309 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:41,119 Speaker 7: they're shortening it so they can put it on streaming platforms. 310 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:42,919 Speaker 7: I bet you guys are always wondering, why do my 311 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:45,679 Speaker 7: favorite show get, you know, just Get, have their final 312 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 7: season at the third season, even though I was loving 313 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:48,400 Speaker 7: it and. 314 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 3: Everybody was liking it. 315 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 7: Our streamers basically only commit to a three season maybe 316 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 7: four season because then they're going to wrap that and 317 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 7: they want to create a new shiny show so that 318 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 7: they can get more subscribers. They're telling us that our 319 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 7: audiences won't watch more than three seasons. 320 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:04,399 Speaker 3: We know that's not true. 321 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:06,400 Speaker 7: They also are doing that because if they go into 322 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 7: four or five seasons, then they have to pay us 323 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 7: more syndications these and more money and residuals. 324 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 3: So they literally are. 325 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,199 Speaker 7: Working us till the point where they don't have to 326 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:18,880 Speaker 7: pay anymore than scrapping us and bringing up a new 327 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 7: shiny object to draw eyes. 328 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 4: I mean, it's all sound familiar because basically what you're 329 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:28,160 Speaker 4: seeing that's playing out within our world is what you're 330 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 4: seeing everywhere, you know, seeing in every union. And it's 331 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:36,639 Speaker 4: gotten to the point now where it's so ridiculous that 332 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:40,400 Speaker 4: people have nothing to lose because it's now we're never 333 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:43,360 Speaker 4: to solve these problems, right, We're not going to drive 334 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 4: your shot. And that's why the resolve on the part 335 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 4: of actors and writers is so strong right now, and 336 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:53,920 Speaker 4: the ups and teachers and you know, all of these 337 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 4: people that are rising up. The railroad workers should have there. 338 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 4: I mean, that was horrible what happened to that union, 339 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:03,920 Speaker 4: because we are now even more unsafe, and it's all 340 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 4: about changing again the means of how they operate in 341 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 4: order to buy back their stock or pay their you know, 342 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 4: not put it back into the business and not make 343 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 4: it accessible, to just give people a few days off, 344 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 4: and therefore making everything so unsafe within the railroads. And 345 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:27,119 Speaker 4: it's happening on all these jobs. This is what the 346 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 4: ups thing is about. And the teamsters are so strong, 347 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:34,119 Speaker 4: We'll see what happens with them. I think what you're seeing, 348 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 4: what this is a good example of, is something that's 349 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:41,919 Speaker 4: very healthy, which is the rising up of Amazon workers, 350 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 4: the unionization of all of these different areas where people 351 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 4: are saying, you know, this is just impossible. This is 352 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 4: just it has gotten so so huge that the gap 353 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:58,400 Speaker 4: between working people and those that control things and don't 354 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 4: contribute to it. You know, it was pretty funny they asked. 355 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:04,120 Speaker 4: I saw the street where they asked a computer, which 356 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 4: do you feel more qualified to replace the actors or 357 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 4: the CEOs? And the computers gave this response about, oh, 358 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:14,440 Speaker 4: I'm we're much we can easily do the CEO job. 359 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 4: You know, it's all about, you know, figure servant. It's 360 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 4: not there's nothing human in that job. Really, I hope 361 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:23,880 Speaker 4: they heard that. 362 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 3: I hope no CEO has heard that. 363 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 7: That's right. 364 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 4: This is a double nighted sword. You know, the bubble 365 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:35,120 Speaker 4: that exists around these people that are spending their money 366 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:38,119 Speaker 4: going up in space for four minutes, as opposed to 367 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 4: what what has happened to empathy? What has happened to 368 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 4: the idea of giving your people the means to live 369 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 4: a dignified life so they can do the best job, 370 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 4: so that they wanted there, so that they they're excited 371 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 4: about working, you know, not making them super rich, but 372 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:58,159 Speaker 4: just a decent way so you can have a house 373 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 4: and feed your family and not have to take you know, 374 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 4: teachers are taking three jobs. I mean, this is crazy. 375 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 4: What has happened to the working class in this country? 376 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:06,919 Speaker 4: They're just gone. 377 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 3: And I think that. 378 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 4: It's a very hopeful sign that people recognize that. Our first, well, 379 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 4: it was really the writer's first thing. When I went 380 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:21,399 Speaker 4: to stand with them, and I stood with the miners, 381 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 4: and I stood when they see that other unions are there, 382 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:28,159 Speaker 4: when people were speaking from all kinds of unions and 383 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:31,919 Speaker 4: now there's a Broadway element that's talking. And when the 384 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 4: teamsters came to ours and when the students came to ours. 385 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 4: This is what America was built on, if you remember, 386 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 4: and people died to try to get safe and fair 387 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:47,440 Speaker 4: places to work, and I think strange we were back 388 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:48,640 Speaker 4: where we were. 389 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:55,439 Speaker 1: I think connecting all of those struggles together is so 390 00:21:55,640 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 1: incredibly important, because the fight for your own livelihood is 391 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 1: essential and compelling and important and courageous in and of itself. 392 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 1: But you're obviously part of a larger ground swell of 393 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:12,640 Speaker 1: labor activism and labor militancy which I frankly haven't seen 394 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 1: in my lifetime, from the Starbucks workers unions to potentially 395 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 1: the ups Teamsters going out on strike. 396 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:19,680 Speaker 3: You mentioned teachers. 397 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 1: I mean, there's so many actions that are happening right now, Michelle. 398 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 1: I also wanted to get your view on something that 399 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: I just think it's very indicative of the contempt and 400 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,719 Speaker 1: the sort of tactics that are leveled against workers who 401 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 1: are trying to exercise their rights. Going to put this 402 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: first element up on the screen of these trees that 403 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:46,239 Speaker 1: were inexplicably aggressively trimmed right where the picket lines were 404 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 1: going on, I mean, we're all suffering through this horrific 405 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: heat wave, so people are already out there in these 406 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: extreme temperatures, but they were at least getting a little 407 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 1: bit of shade from these trees. And the studio goes 408 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,639 Speaker 1: ahead and cuts these things back to basically nothing. The 409 00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: city council is sayingle so we had nothing to do 410 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,120 Speaker 1: with this. You didn't permit it whatsoever. You might say, 411 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,879 Speaker 1: all right, this is this a big deal, But I 412 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 1: feel like this is so revealing of the type of 413 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 1: attitude and contempt that is shown towards working herough. You 414 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 1: see the pictures here up on the screen of the 415 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 1: book at before and after there. 416 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,680 Speaker 7: It's so it's horrific. 417 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:20,400 Speaker 3: It's horrific. 418 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,159 Speaker 7: And across the street, you know, the trees have not 419 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 7: been touched because this is just in front of the studios. 420 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 7: I mean, this is the same kind of people who said, 421 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,679 Speaker 7: let's wait till the writers get are kicked out of 422 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:34,479 Speaker 7: their homes, become homeless, and then they'll come to the table. 423 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 7: These are the types of people that we are talking about. 424 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:39,440 Speaker 3: You know, when you have to. 425 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 7: Negotiate with someone who's making seventy eight thousand dollars a 426 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 7: day and you're actors one hundred and sixty thousand, which 427 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 7: consists of voiceover artists, singers, dancers, background artists, stunt coordinators, 428 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 7: principal actors are can't make twenty six thousand in a year. 429 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,880 Speaker 7: This is a about inhumane treatment. 430 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:04,160 Speaker 3: And you're absolutely right. 431 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 7: And thank you Susan for bringing that up, because this 432 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,439 Speaker 7: is we are literally a labor union. We are fighting 433 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 7: for all of us because that divide between corporate greed 434 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,719 Speaker 7: and the working individual is so vast. 435 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 3: Now that you know. 436 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,640 Speaker 7: I'm sure I hope some of the people have seen 437 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,120 Speaker 7: the article in Orange is the New Black. When that 438 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 7: came out, everybody was like, wow, this is an amazing show. 439 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 3: Everybody saw it. 440 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 7: Eyes were on that streaming platform. Majority of those actors 441 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 7: did not give up their day job because they were 442 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 7: being paid below a minimum for a weekly series regular. 443 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 3: On a big streaming show show. You know, I think. 444 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,919 Speaker 7: Snoop Dogg posted something that I thought was fabulous. He 445 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:45,679 Speaker 7: was like, I don't understand this. Show me the money. 446 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 7: If you're having a show that's getting billions of eyes 447 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:50,440 Speaker 7: people watching. 448 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 3: It, how come there's no money? 449 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 7: How come there is no money for the artist that 450 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 7: you know, these streaming platforms, which basically came busted out 451 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 7: about fifteen years ago, they're still called new media. It's 452 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 7: not new media. It's been here for a while. They 453 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:07,639 Speaker 7: have become as powerful and as popular as you know 454 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 7: it on the backs of writers, of actors, of the creatives. 455 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:17,680 Speaker 7: If it wasn't for the creatives, we are the engine 456 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 7: of that car. If we weren't there, there would be 457 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:24,959 Speaker 7: no streaming platforms. If we could just get two percent, 458 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:30,879 Speaker 7: one percent of the revenue profits, our unions would be 459 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:36,200 Speaker 7: so solid. Those eighty seven percent of our members. 460 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 3: Who haven't qualified for. 461 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:42,119 Speaker 7: Health insurance, ninety eight percent of our one hundred and 462 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 7: sixty thousand members work below the minimums. If we had 463 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 7: that that little bite, that tiny, little you know, nibble 464 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:54,439 Speaker 7: of the revenue shares, all of our unions would be solid. 465 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 3: Our health insurance would be stronger. 466 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 7: You know, our sets would be more respected. You know, 467 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 7: when you're talking to people who are making billions of 468 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 7: dollars and we're just a tiny bit of their portfolio. 469 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 7: I think that there's a disconnect between humanity and what 470 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 7: is right and what is wrong, and these people do 471 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 7: to be holding it tight what's wrong. 472 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:22,120 Speaker 4: You have to remember too, that when a show is filming, 473 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:27,639 Speaker 4: you're connected to a community that's making food and putting 474 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 4: people up and travel right. It's you know, it's like 475 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,919 Speaker 4: you pitch your tent and it's affecting a lot of people, 476 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:38,119 Speaker 4: not just the actors. I mean, you got the crew members, 477 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 4: but you've also got the outreach into the community that's 478 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 4: supporting the film no matter where it's made. You know, 479 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 4: it's bringing the new in. So now that's all stopped too, 480 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:52,399 Speaker 4: everything that's connected. I can't go to the opening of 481 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 4: my film mid August. That would have been a big 482 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 4: thing that was going on in LA that affected everybody. Hotels, 483 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 4: you know, all kinds of services, durings of you know 484 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 4: what months here, three months there. In a small town 485 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,439 Speaker 4: in New Jersey. You don't think that that, you know, 486 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:13,159 Speaker 4: the local guy making us sandwiches was affected by that. 487 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,239 Speaker 7: So exactly every state that we go through, we have 488 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 7: a we have a huge outreach to the you know, 489 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 7: every state we come to dry cleaners, you know, street 490 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 7: clean I mean, it's it's I think people don't realize 491 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 7: how long the tentacles are when a production comes to 492 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 7: your your state. 493 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:29,919 Speaker 6: You know. 494 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 7: I think there was also just because I have to 495 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,399 Speaker 7: drill it in during the WGA strike. I think I 496 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 7: wonder if people saw that tweet or article that the 497 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 7: Netflix CEOs were still asking for their bonuses even during 498 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 7: the WGA strike, and we were able to find out 499 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 7: those funds. So those bonuses for CEOs were like fifteen million, 500 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 7: seventeen million, ten million, fourteen million, on top of their 501 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:55,639 Speaker 7: multimillion dollar salaries. Now that cobbled together for just that 502 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,639 Speaker 7: one streamer or just Netflix, those CEOs would have been 503 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,919 Speaker 7: about one hundred and sixty eight million dollars. The contract 504 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 7: that the WGA was requesting that would make their entire 505 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:10,199 Speaker 7: union solvent, that would help all those WGA writers be 506 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,479 Speaker 7: able to live and pay their rent and take care 507 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 7: of their children and and pay you know, put food 508 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 7: on their table was sixty million. 509 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 6: Wow. 510 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 3: Where where can you find that money? Wow? I think 511 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 3: we can just. 512 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 4: Where we can right in the bonuses. 513 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 1: Susan, let me let me ask you one last question, 514 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: which is, you know, you and I share a lot 515 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 1: of political perspective. You know, we have a very similar ideology, 516 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 1: and you know, you don't always see actors in Hollywood 517 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 1: really speaking out on behalf of labor, and it would 518 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 1: be incredibly powerful, and it is incredibly powerful right now 519 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 1: to see names with huge cultural power and Cachet, you know, 520 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 1: really talking about corporate greed, really talking about the struggles 521 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 1: of working people. 522 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 4: Do you think that after this strike is over, you'll. 523 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 1: Continue to see some of that energy on Hollywood with 524 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 1: regards to other labor struggles across the country, the type 525 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 1: that you routinely support. 526 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 4: I hope. So, I mean, I think that it's I 527 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 4: think that it's taken a bit for a lot of 528 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 4: people in my business to understand what a union means 529 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 4: and that they're in a union until something like this happens. 530 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 3: You know. 531 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,960 Speaker 4: I do remember that when there was the long strike 532 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 4: that had to do with commercials, and they called in 533 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 4: some more visible people like us, and you know, explaining 534 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 4: to people that you can't cross a picket line was 535 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 4: something that they hadn't really understood, and that you should 536 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 4: never cross a picket line, whether or not it's hotel 537 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:44,480 Speaker 4: workers or whatever. This lack of knowledge about your history 538 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 4: feeds into this too, you know. And also you don't 539 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 4: see in mainstream media a lot of the uprising of 540 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 4: the middle class or the working class in other countries. 541 00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 4: You know, that is really played down, so they don't 542 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 4: even want you to imagine, and you can't really expect 543 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 4: change unless you can imagine that there's something different. This 544 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 4: is where artists have their strengths. You know, we want 545 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 4: to give you stories. We want to give you examples 546 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 4: of people who've become the protagonist in their own life 547 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 4: and who make a difference in their circumstances by just 548 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 4: demanding what really is due them. And I think it's 549 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 4: you know, I saw on Bernie's campaign, when you're talking 550 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 4: about healthcare, what needed to be done to change the 551 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 4: language of that because we've been in such a terrible relationship, 552 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 4: you know, where we were Nobody thought they deserved healthcare. 553 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 4: That was something that the other people had. So I 554 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 4: think that all of these concepts now. And this is 555 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 4: an example where you're saying no, you know, when people say, oh, 556 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 4: nobody wants to work, that pisses me off so bad 557 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 4: because basically what you're saying is you don't want to 558 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 4: pay them. People don't want to pay don't want to 559 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 4: be in jobs anymore where they're working for slave wages 560 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 4: and treated bad, have ridiculous hours, and aren't safe. Yeah, 561 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 4: they learned during COVID they were supposed to be special 562 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 4: and supposed to be you know, taken care of in 563 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 4: order to make the other people's lives go smoothly, and 564 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 4: then bam, the middle of the moment that's over with. 565 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 4: They're dispensable. You know, that's not you know. I hope 566 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 4: that it's an awakening and I hope that the members 567 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 4: of my union, now that they've been activated, understand that 568 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 4: we have to look out for everybody. This is where 569 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 4: our strength comes from. This is the as again, this 570 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 4: is what the basis of America moving forward came from. 571 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 4: All the changes that stopped child labor and gave us 572 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 4: a forty hour work week and all of these things. 573 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 4: That's how that happened. It's never going to be the 574 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 4: top giving up power. It's going to always to be that. 575 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:03,960 Speaker 4: You know, and and when you stand up for your 576 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 4: teamster driver or your taxi driver or the person that's 577 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 4: working in the hotel, when you show up there, they're 578 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,960 Speaker 4: so grateful. And I was so grateful on one of 579 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 4: our earlier demonstrations to look around and have people speaking 580 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 4: and see the students you know there and Broadway there, 581 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,880 Speaker 4: and this was before we went out and the Teamsters 582 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 4: saying we're going to be there for you. This is 583 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 4: I mean, this moves you to see that kind of 584 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 4: we've been too isolated. The thing that Americans just do 585 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 4: no one to ever talk about, and I've had this 586 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,720 Speaker 4: come up and press for films that I've done, is class. 587 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 4: They don't you know, they distract with all these other 588 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 4: cultural things that don't affect affect a small portion of 589 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 4: the population, but they don't want to really look at 590 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 4: what's going on in this in the way our lives 591 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 4: are structured, which is all about class and make getting 592 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 4: super super super rich, in this part getting less and 593 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:02,440 Speaker 4: less and less viable. 594 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 1: Well, ladies, you're both extraordinary. We're really grateful for both 595 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 1: of you taking the time out, and I hope you'll 596 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,080 Speaker 1: come back and keep us updated as things progress. 597 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 4: Absolutely, thank you, Thank you guys for having us on. 598 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 4: And also maybe we'll give you what Maybe you could 599 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,480 Speaker 4: run something that just says the fund that you can 600 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 4: contribute to if anybody. 601 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 1: Yes, please please do that and. 602 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 7: We'll put it yeah, yeah, after a foundation dot org 603 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,120 Speaker 7: would be awesome. It'll help with emergency assistance for all 604 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 7: of our members, because you know that a bunch of 605 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 7: our one hundred and sixty thousand members are going to 606 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:40,480 Speaker 7: be hurting in these next copy. 607 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,640 Speaker 4: This is going to go on for quite a while. 608 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:44,840 Speaker 3: Happy, happy to support you. 609 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 4: They're not even talking about the core issues. They refuse 610 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 4: to even talk, so they're just literally but it loses 611 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 4: their houses and can eat, so we need everyone. 612 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 7: Quote yeah, like what you Susan said, They literally dragged 613 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:03,520 Speaker 7: their feet negotiations. It was so disrespectful, so disrespectful. 614 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 1: Unbelievable, unbelievable. Well, ladies, like I said, keep us updated everybody. 615 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,719 Speaker 1: We will have that link in the description. And thank 616 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,799 Speaker 1: you so much, thank you, thank you, thank you for 617 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:12,800 Speaker 1: the time to see you. 618 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:13,640 Speaker 4: Our pleasure.