1 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:05,280 Speaker 1: Hey's your listeners. I'm Christine, one of the producers on Zero. 2 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: Today we're sharing an episode from another climate podcast that 3 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: you might like. It's called the Anti Dread Climate Podcast 4 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: from KCRW. Please enjoy and if you like what you hear, 5 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:17,960 Speaker 1: check them out wherever you get your podcasts. 6 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 2: Candice, what is your experience if you try to get 7 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 2: somebody on board with like composting or bringing a reusable 8 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 2: water bottle to the office, or like any kind of 9 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 2: those like climate friendly life changes. 10 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:33,239 Speaker 3: Oh, that's my life right. As an environmental educator, I 11 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 3: spend so much time going and just answering, mostly answering questions. 12 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 3: I will say that it's not always me running up 13 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:41,200 Speaker 3: people going stop, yeah in the name of the climate. 14 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 3: It's a lot of answering questions like well, what's better 15 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:46,240 Speaker 3: a fake Christmas tree or a real Christmas tree? And 16 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 3: answer that question all the time. So these are the 17 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 3: sorts of things that happened. So my experience is that 18 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 3: I try to be a resource, not a regulator. That's 19 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 3: my perspective. 20 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 2: That is a really hard line to tread. I think 21 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 2: it really depends on you know, like if they ask 22 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 2: me like, oh, well, should this go in this bin, 23 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:08,680 Speaker 2: or if I'm showing up and being like, hey, did 24 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:10,959 Speaker 2: you know you put that in the wrong spot? Yes, 25 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 2: I don't mind being either one of them. Right. And 26 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 2: actually this is sort of the topic that Karina wrote 27 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 2: in about because she is trying to tread that really 28 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 2: fine line too. She she lives in North Hollywood. She 29 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:25,919 Speaker 2: works in a at a dramatic arts college in Los Angeles, 30 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 2: and so because she works in office space, she sees 31 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 2: a lot of plastic and paper waste come through every day. 32 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:32,479 Speaker 3: I see. 33 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 4: I was wondering if there are any like tips or 34 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 4: tricks about how I can influence people in the faculty 35 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 4: lounge to be more eco conscious every day. 36 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 2: So she really cares. She really wants to bring this 37 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 2: up to her manager and her coworkers. 38 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 4: But I don't want to be like that person that's 39 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 4: like policing the faculty lounge and being like, are you 40 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 4: going to reuse that paper cover? Are you going to 41 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 4: recycle that plastic bottle? Because we have recycling bins over here. 42 00:01:57,560 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 4: You know it doesn't have to go in the trash, 43 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 4: it could go in don't want to be that person. 44 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 2: It's hard. Being a climate cop is hard. 45 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 3: Well, I would much rather be a climate Charlie's Angel. 46 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 2: Than Charlie's angel. 47 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 3: Surely that that's how I picture myself. But no, that 48 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:14,359 Speaker 3: is so difficult, and you don't want to be that person, 49 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 3: and eventually people stop listening to that person, so then 50 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 3: you're not evening effective as being that person. So I 51 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 3: get it again what she's asking about. 52 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, so, Karina, as you can tell, this really resonates 53 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 2: with us. I find myself in your shoes all the time. 54 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 2: I have gently nudged and not so gently nudged my 55 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 2: family and my coworkers and my friends, and I get it. Like, 56 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,639 Speaker 2: doing this without being annoying is really not easy, absolutely, 57 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 2: but let's give it a shot anyway. From KCRW, this 58 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 2: is the Anti Dread Climate Podcast, Your practical personal guide 59 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 2: to protecting the Planets. I'm Kaylie Wells, kcw's climate reporter. 60 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 3: And I'm Candasick and Trustle environmental educator and CEO at 61 00:02:56,440 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 3: Friends in the La River. So this is really a 62 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 3: behavioral psychology of question. You're trying to alter behavior in 63 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 3: a way that doesn't make people resistant or mad, or 64 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 3: annoyed or just stop listening to you after a. 65 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 2: While, exactly, And that's what makes this so tough, which 66 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:17,799 Speaker 2: is why I talked to this guy named Ken Donnelly. 67 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 2: He is president of a group called Beyond Attitude Consulting, 68 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 2: which is exactly the kind of business that you hire. 69 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 2: If say you're a company and you've decided you're going 70 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 2: to be really climate friendly, and you're trying to get 71 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 2: all your employees on board with these climate friendly changes. 72 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 5: We know from behavioral research that just because somebody thinks 73 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 5: something is a good idea and they know all the 74 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 5: reasons is it's a good idea, it doesn't mean they'll 75 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 5: do it. 76 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 2: And sort of the way he made that point to 77 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 2: me is, think about donating blood. We all agree that 78 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 2: donating blood is probably a good thing to do, but 79 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 2: then when you look around at all the people who 80 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 2: have actually donated blood, it's something like less than four 81 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 2: percent of people actually do it. Absolutely, So an easy 82 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 2: place to start is to make this more eco friendly 83 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 2: thing the default. 84 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 3: Yes, that definitely is the answer. So putting the coffee 85 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 3: mugs out on the table, but the paper cups like 86 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 3: in a drawer. That's kind of a way make people 87 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 3: work for the least desirable option a little more. 88 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, have you because I know you've worked in 89 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 2: more offices than I have. Have you done anything like that? 90 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 2: Does it work? 91 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 5: Yeah? 92 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 3: It does work. I remember when at my last office 93 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 3: we had a kurrig and those are just you know, 94 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 3: everything that goes with being having a kurag. And you 95 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 3: have these little disposable ca cups that people were using, 96 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 3: and we were people were taking turns of buying them, 97 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 3: et cetera. Well, I bought this little green, reusable ca 98 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 3: cup that you could refill with coffee, and I bought 99 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 3: really nice coffee to go in there and just kind 100 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 3: of put the cacups off to the side, and eventually 101 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 3: people stop buying cacups and would just come in and 102 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 3: fill up the little reusable cakeup and use it over 103 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 3: and over again. So it was perfect. So it's this 104 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 3: gradual phasing out through. 105 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 2: It's like positive reinforcement. 106 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 3: It's like positive reinforcement, yes, kind of making the negative 107 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 3: harder to do. 108 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I mean the 109 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:08,159 Speaker 2: kind of things that Donnelly mentioned were make it so 110 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 2: that lights turn off automatically in a room, or that 111 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 2: the printer automatically prints double sided so it doesn't take 112 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 2: extra effort for somebody to do something more climate friendly. 113 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:20,479 Speaker 2: That's just sort of the default. And if you want 114 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 2: to be worse to the planet, you have to try 115 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 2: harder to be worse to the planet. 116 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 3: Right, right, So it makes perfect sense to do things 117 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 3: that are automatic in default, but not every climate friendly 118 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 3: thing is automatic or can be put on the default. 119 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 2: That's true. I mean a lot of helping the planet 120 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 2: is going to require some effort. So he said, start 121 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 2: with the small asks, like hey, do you mind turning 122 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:43,599 Speaker 2: off the lights in the room that does not turn 123 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 2: off automatically before you leave? And when people start doing 124 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,720 Speaker 2: those smaller things, they look at themselves like, hey, I'm 125 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 2: a good steward of the earth. And so you just 126 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 2: have to get them on board with the smaller things 127 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 2: before they are more likely to get on board with 128 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 2: these harder things because that aligns with this new identity 129 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 2: that they have for themselves. 130 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 3: Interesting. 131 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 2: His other point is try to get people committed. So 132 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 2: don't just say hey, could you bring your own water 133 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:11,919 Speaker 2: bottle to work? Be like, hey, can I can? I 134 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 2: count on you to be one of these people who 135 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 2: brings your own water bottle to work. 136 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 3: One of these beacons that's doing the right thing exactly 137 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 3: that we can kind of share with. 138 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 2: Them, yeah, like a role model, right, And if they 139 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 2: say yes, they're more likely to do that because in 140 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 2: our society your word means a lot. 141 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 5: The important thing is that verbal commitments are strong, written 142 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 5: commitments are stronger, and the public commitment is the strongest. 143 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:40,039 Speaker 5: So if people think that their name might be used, 144 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 5: they're much more likely to do it. 145 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 2: Meaning like Okay, you could say, hey, do you mind 146 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 2: putting your food waste in this organic bin and they'll 147 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 2: say sure. But if you get them to sign a petition, 148 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 2: or if you get them to like be on a 149 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 2: bulletin board with the list. 150 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 3: Of greens, Yeah, which are the people who are going 151 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 3: to be helping lead us into this new future. 152 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 2: It's better than a wall of It's like a wall 153 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 2: of virtual reorment. 154 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 3: Yes, the virtuous loop. I like it. There's also this 155 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 3: aspect of peer pressure, and that can be really useful. 156 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 3: So if everyone around you is using a mug and 157 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 3: you're the one person still going into the cabinet and 158 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 3: reaching the back of the door to get a paper cup, 159 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 3: you start to feel awkward about it. So if you 160 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 3: get a bunch of people on your side, then suddenly 161 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 3: that process begins to happen a lot faster. Yeah, a 162 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 3: little bit of a tipping point. 163 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I remember what you're talking about with the 164 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 2: tipping point. And this is sort of getting to one 165 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 2: of his other main points that you can kick start 166 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 2: that tipping point process by creating like a sustainability committee. 167 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:37,559 Speaker 3: Right, yes, that green team. 168 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 5: Find some other people within your group that have similar 169 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 5: concerns and want to see change, and set up a 170 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 5: little committee that meets every so often. Not a great 171 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 5: big deal, but then you start introducing the low hanging fruit, 172 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 5: the things that are really easy to do but they 173 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 5: make a difference. 174 00:07:57,880 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 2: This is sort of that point you made about not 175 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 2: wanting to be climate cop. 176 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 5: Right. 177 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 2: Here are your climate Charlie's angels, that's. 178 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 3: Right, and they're all working together and they are examples 179 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 3: for everyone else. So people see them doing it and 180 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 3: they see, Okay, that's not that hard. It's not that 181 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 3: hard to bring your water bottle, it's not that hard 182 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 3: to put waste in its place, right, And that becomes 183 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 3: this little bit of a spiral, right, can happen. 184 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 2: And it's no longer Karina being the annoying person, the 185 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 2: annoying squeaky wheel, it's like, well, Karina's part of this 186 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 2: whole movement right now. 187 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 3: And we're all going in that direction together. Time for takeaways? Okay, Karna, 188 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 3: how do you make your office more eco friendly without 189 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 3: causing an uproar. Make a team of like minded people 190 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 3: so you're no longer a lone nagger. 191 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 2: Try to get people to commit. You could get them 192 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 2: to sign something or at least say that they'll do something, 193 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 2: because that is way going to increase the chance that 194 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 2: they'll actually follow through with that commitment. 195 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 3: And make that climate friendly behavior easier. If you take 196 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 3: away one option, fill it with another option that's more convenient. 197 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 2: Like your reusable kickups. Yeah, that's way cooly. Can't just 198 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 2: tell me what the good news is this week? 199 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 3: Oh the good news so California is suing big oil. 200 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I've heard about this. 201 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 3: On September fifteenth, the state claimed that the actions of 202 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 3: the biggest oil companies have caused tens of billions of 203 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 3: dollars in damage and that they downplayed and deceive the 204 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 3: public about the risks of fossil fuels. So the five 205 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 3: companies that have been targeted are Exonmobile, Shell, BP, Conicle, Phillips, 206 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 3: and Chevron, and the American Petroleum Institute is also in 207 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 3: there somewhere. They're an industry trade group and their list 208 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 3: is a defendant as well. So the lawsuits trying to 209 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:40,079 Speaker 3: get the oil companies to set aside of fun so 210 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:43,239 Speaker 3: that when, not if things go terribly wrong for California 211 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:45,839 Speaker 3: because of climate change, it's the oil companies that will 212 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:47,679 Speaker 3: have to pay for it, will have to contribute to 213 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 3: cleaning up and mitigating that problem. 214 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:52,679 Speaker 2: Okay, And it makes sense that California joining this effort 215 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 2: is a really big deal because you know, there're been 216 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 2: other states that have done lawsuits like this, but we 217 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:01,959 Speaker 2: are the most populous state to file this suit, and 218 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 2: California is this big producer of fossil fuels, so there 219 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 2: are a lot of affected parties. Basically, the stakes are 220 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:10,239 Speaker 2: just a lot higher now, I guess. 221 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 3: And we get the job done. When California does something 222 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 3: like this, it's meaningful. 223 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, wow, great, And that's it this week on 224 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 2: the Anti Dread Climate Podcast. If you haven't, please subscribe 225 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 2: to this podcast and share it with the friend. We've 226 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:28,319 Speaker 2: got a newsletter that will have our advice every week. 227 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:31,559 Speaker 2: That's at KCRW dot com. Slash Climate. 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I'm curious whether composting is actually 235 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 6: worth it, and if so, is there a difference between 236 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,679 Speaker 6: the different composting programs like the green bins that are 237 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 6: provided by the city versus volunteer programs like La Compost. 238 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 3: I'm Kandae Sikons Russell, environmental educator and CEO of Friends 239 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 3: of the La River. 240 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:12,679 Speaker 2: I'm Kaylie Wells, climate reporter at KCRW. Our executive producer 241 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 2: is Sonia Geiss, Our production assistant is Selene Mendiola. Technical 242 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 2: director is John Meek and music by Carolyn Pennypacker Riggs. 243 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 2: The Anti Dread Climate podcast is a KCRW production.