Speaker 1: Episode four fifty three is episode two thirty eight, What
Speaker 1: Diet Culture is Costing You.
Speaker 2: Welcome to the Frugal Friends podcast, where you'll learn to
Speaker 2: save money, embrace simplicity, and live a life here your
Speaker 2: hosts Jen and Jill.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the Frugal Friends podcast. My name is Jen,
Speaker 1: my name is Jell, and today we are re airing
Speaker 1: an episode that was one of my favorites. And normally
Speaker 1: we only reair our most popular episodes, but there is
Speaker 1: maybe once a year where I pick one that was
Speaker 1: just one of my favorites and we reair that one instead.
Speaker 3: Because it's our podcast, you get to do what you want.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's all of our podcas you listening included,
Speaker 1: but we have like big sister energy, so we're going
Speaker 1: to guide you also in the direction you may not
Speaker 1: want to go, but we believe is a good place
Speaker 1: for you to visit. And that's what this episode is.
Speaker 1: It's talking about our ideas of diet like diet culture.
Speaker 1: But since this episode even aired, we've found a lot
Speaker 1: of correlations between how we think about spending money and
Speaker 1: how we think about consuming food because both are consuming.
Speaker 1: You're consuming products and services with your money or you're
Speaker 1: consuming food with your body, and because nobody talks about
Speaker 1: spending money, we just use these unhealthy ideas that we
Speaker 1: have from diet culture that has been drilled into us
Speaker 1: for decades. We use those same ideas to influence how
Speaker 1: we can asume products and services with our money. And
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Speaker 1: So that's great, so true. So this episode is very
Speaker 1: near and dear to my heart as somebody who has
Speaker 1: been literally like hit over the head with this stuff
Speaker 1: since I was probably eleven, maybe younger, I don't know, uh,
Speaker 1: And we're looking today really at the side of what
Speaker 1: it's costing you now in adulthood. But I've also been
Speaker 1: really fascinated at the correlation between how it impacts our
Speaker 1: consumption and our personal our understanding of personal finance. And
Speaker 1: so that's what we talk about in the book We
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Speaker 1: about this. So even since and we'll talk about some
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Speaker 1: So it's an.
Speaker 3: Important one approaching this to with the understanding, like approaching
Speaker 3: this episode with the understanding that mindset is mindset across
Speaker 3: the board. And so if we've got a mindset around
Speaker 3: diet culture and non beneficial ideas about the way that
Speaker 3: we approach caring for ourselves, that mindset's going to carry
Speaker 3: over into the way that we budget, so not even
Speaker 3: I know we talk a lot in this episode that
Speaker 3: we're about to hear on just the ways diet culture
Speaker 3: costs us, but adding in this extra layer and lens
Speaker 3: that you can take with you into this episode of
Speaker 3: and in what ways does it also carry over into
Speaker 3: the ways that we look at and approach finances if
Speaker 3: this is our mindset around our physical health, So that
Speaker 3: I think is really helpful to recognize we are whole people.
Speaker 3: We say it all the time. So if we've got
Speaker 3: a non beneficial mindset in one aspect of our lives,
Speaker 3: more than likely it's going to impact this other area
Speaker 3: of our lives. So when we are able to align
Speaker 3: it in a beneficial way and experience helpful patterns of thinking,
Speaker 3: it will cause benefit in all other areas.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that was a super long intro. Sorry for that,
Speaker 1: but let's stop bearing the lead. Let's get into it.
Speaker 1: So diet culture, this one hits very close to home
Speaker 1: for me because I grew up in a house where
Speaker 1: we were always be like, we were always giving into
Speaker 1: the lie that we needed to lose weight all the
Speaker 1: time for whatever reason, and nobody in my house was
Speaker 1: like obese. But still because of just growing up in
Speaker 1: the nineties, early two thousands, my parents, like in the
Speaker 1: seventies and eighties, like thin was healthy and so like,
Speaker 1: we have these mindsets about health and wellness that have
Speaker 1: been ingrained in our heads for decades and enforced by
Speaker 1: our parents and our insecurities, and so much of it
Speaker 1: transfers into budgeting. So I really am excited to look
Speaker 1: into this because even with the rise and body positivity,
Speaker 1: which is amazing, Like I'm I'm so glad that the
Speaker 1: next generation is growing up with this, the diet industry
Speaker 1: is still a seventy two billion dollar and growing into
Speaker 1: it is still growing and that's the weight loss specific
Speaker 1: part of it. And so while the trend to body
Speaker 1: positivity is great, like, we really need to identify and
Speaker 1: reprogram our mindsets around health and wellness so that we
Speaker 1: can opt out of the unnecessary part that just praise
Speaker 1: on our ever present insecurities and prioritize the life giving
Speaker 1: parts of actual wellness that are worth spending money on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's I think at the end of the day,
Speaker 3: it's going to be no shock to people that we
Speaker 3: land in the radical middle on this. But the extremes
Speaker 3: go so far in so many directions. I wouldn't even
Speaker 3: say that it's a linear spectrum. It's almost this cube
Speaker 3: spectrum of where people can fall in the midst of this,
Speaker 3: and that's fine. We're all on a journey and hopefully
Speaker 3: finding the thing that are going to point us as
Speaker 3: individuals towards well being and an acceptance and a care
Speaker 3: and value for ourselves as we care and value others
Speaker 3: around us. I think the thing that I see in
Speaker 3: our generation and maybe the younger generation, it's not as
Speaker 3: much the counting calories get super thin, which is fantastic,
Speaker 3: but it's not as if, oh, now we've landed on
Speaker 3: the exact right thing. There's also this whole how healthy
Speaker 3: can you get and be? And there's still some shame
Speaker 3: wrapped up in that too, like if you're not doing
Speaker 3: the latest whatever it is that helps you identify health,
Speaker 3: whether it's oh, you're you're doing smoothies instead of juice.
Speaker 1: Or your Yeah, I definitely think it's a The goal
Speaker 1: is to combat the extremist of anything, because that's what
Speaker 1: gets you spending more money. So like whenever any anyone's like,
Speaker 1: how do I eat healthy on a budget? I kind
Speaker 1: of laugh because it is not expensive to eat healthy,
Speaker 1: but it is expensive to be on a diet, to
Speaker 1: follow a to follow the food on a diet plan,
Speaker 1: for sure. And so it when we reject the extremism
Speaker 1: of diet culture and we can find our own radical middle,
Speaker 1: our own balance, then we can not just I mean
Speaker 1: not just save money, but just overall feel like a
Speaker 1: lot better about ourselves and about people, and we can
Speaker 1: focus that energy that we focus on. And I'm when
Speaker 1: I say we are you like I am directly talking
Speaker 1: to me like I should probably have a mirror in
Speaker 1: for I could I could just look at myself in
Speaker 1: the zoom screen and say, like, if you spend as
Speaker 1: much energy like thinking about things as you do about
Speaker 1: like walking by the mirror and twice a day, one
Speaker 1: time saying like, oh wow, I look great and the
Speaker 1: other time saying like, dang, if I could just like
Speaker 1: get that last ten to fifteen pounds of baby weight off,
Speaker 1: then it would be perfect. And even before I had
Speaker 1: Kai and I was still saying, oh, if I could
Speaker 1: just get like ten more pounds off, Like if you
Speaker 1: spent as much energy building your income study like learning
Speaker 1: how to invest in all that as you did on
Speaker 1: worrying about being the perfect size then you could get
Speaker 1: so you could reach financial freedom. Probably a year too faster.
Speaker 1: I won't say it's like decades, but a year or two.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, just well being in a version of kindness
Speaker 3: to ourselves rather than shame and yeah, putting ourselves down constantly.
Speaker 3: Of course, there are so many caveats to be mentioning,
Speaker 3: and we're gonna we're not gonna get them all. And
Speaker 3: so here we are we're talking to ourselves and anticipating
Speaker 3: that the general population is listening to us. So of
Speaker 3: course there's a ton of ways that the term diet
Speaker 3: can be used. We are using it primarily in reference
Speaker 3: to a choice that we make for like the main
Speaker 3: goal of losing weight. Of course, there's a way to
Speaker 3: use the term diet that talks about just the type
Speaker 3: of food that you need to eat because you know
Speaker 3: it's best for your body. Like we're not discounting if
Speaker 3: you need to be gluten free, dairy free, whatever free
Speaker 3: because of an actual medical concern, or you just know
Speaker 3: yourself at this point in adulthood that that's not the
Speaker 3: best thing for you. That's not what we're talking about here.
Speaker 3: And of course, where there are even greater levels of
Speaker 3: concern where we know that body dysmorphia and food difficulties
Speaker 3: and eating discord are a very real reality for a
Speaker 3: good portion of the population. And we are also not
Speaker 3: talking to those more acute needs and concerns. That's more
Speaker 3: where the mental health clinician, therapist, counselor support system community
Speaker 3: is going to be helpful. We're talking general diet fads
Speaker 3: and what it's costing the general population. So there's my caveat.
Speaker 3: As much as I can make it, I know that
Speaker 3: I'm missing something in there. So please have grace on
Speaker 3: us in this conversation about food because it's very layered.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we are not nutritionness. We are not personal trainers,
Speaker 1: so we are not This isn't a alternative, This isn't
Speaker 1: a health episode. This is how can we rewire some
Speaker 1: of the mindsets that might be unhealthy and be affecting
Speaker 1: us financially and which will naturally bleed over into some
Speaker 1: other things. But we are focusing on the financial aspect.
Speaker 1: So this first article that we've got is called do
Speaker 1: or Diet. It's for money Guru, and it's the true
Speaker 1: cost of diet culture. And this is money Guru is
Speaker 1: a UK site, so everything's in euros. But after some research,
Speaker 1: I saw that the numbers that they're using are almost
Speaker 1: identical if you just switch out that little euro sign
Speaker 1: for a dollar sign. So yeah, what did you think
Speaker 1: about this one, Jill?
Speaker 3: This was really shocking, and I loved how it began
Speaker 3: because it does feel so congruent with what I see
Speaker 3: on social media. I mean, I blow right past ads.
Speaker 3: I actually did a little bit of a research project
Speaker 3: yesterday where I'm like, what are the ads that they're
Speaker 3: trying to target me with? Because I can't honestly remember
Speaker 3: any of the ads, which is a problem. But also
Speaker 3: I never purchase anything, so it's obviously not working. But
Speaker 3: I have seen this where or they're like this new
Speaker 3: and effective way to get the body that you want.
Speaker 3: This is the absolute last method that you're ever going
Speaker 3: to engage in, because we promise long term results and
Speaker 3: if you're doing this, it's wrong. And if you're doing this,
Speaker 3: it's wrong. Like all these like tried and true methods
Speaker 3: that you've heard for decades, all of a sudden, someone's
Speaker 3: like that's out the window, and you're going to discover
Speaker 3: that the problem is really you, and it's just like,
Speaker 3: oh my gosh, this is the messaging, like they nailed it,
Speaker 3: and for that reason, it can draw us into whatever
Speaker 3: it is that the person is promising us, whether it's
Speaker 3: a product or a method or a gym membership or whatever,
Speaker 3: just a lifestyle that we want to engage in. And
Speaker 3: how over the years this can cost money. And I
Speaker 3: appreciate how they pointed out not just the cost of
Speaker 3: joining something like a weight watchers, but what it can
Speaker 3: all cost us in the rest of our lifestyle and
Speaker 3: long term effects related to whether or not it was
Speaker 3: actually good for us, Like they talk about there being
Speaker 3: a reality to some of these fads not actually being
Speaker 3: good for all parts of us and leading to various
Speaker 3: medical issues that can also cost money. So there's almost
Speaker 3: this element of we may never know the true cost
Speaker 3: of this, yo, yo, this pendulum swinging, this chasing after
Speaker 3: like the next thing, but at least at the lowest level,
Speaker 3: even if we're just okay buying this product, buying that method,
Speaker 3: buying that membership, there's a cost to that long term
Speaker 3: that's massive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So in this one, and I did, I did
Speaker 1: verify some of this, like just to compare to the US.
Speaker 1: So first he looks at these actual like memberships, so
Speaker 1: he uses weight Watchers and Slimming World. So I didn't
Speaker 1: look at Slimming World because that's not in the US,
Speaker 1: but weight Watchers is. Uh. And so if you're doing
Speaker 1: face to face meetings, you're going to spend about two
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty eight dollars for a six month like
Speaker 1: membership and one hundred and thirty one if you're doing
Speaker 1: just digital and so they they worked that out. Plus,
Speaker 1: if you're getting a gym membership every month, which is
Speaker 1: about average of forty dollars a month in the UK.
Speaker 1: For the US it's about thirty seven, so close enough.
Speaker 1: And they said, if the average person works from eighteen
Speaker 1: to sixty, so we're looking at the average working life,
Speaker 1: then if you're doing every month of gym membership and
Speaker 1: weight Watchers, which doesn't include the food, then you could
Speaker 1: be spending over thirty thousand dollars on this stuff over
Speaker 1: your working life, which is crazy and typically nobody's going
Speaker 1: to be in Weight Watchers from eighteen to sixty. But
Speaker 1: this doesn't count like cookbooks or like food and magazines,
Speaker 1: So like if you did something like Jenny Craig, then
Speaker 1: you're buying food from that place, or if they even
Speaker 1: say weekly raffle tickets, I don't know what that means,
Speaker 1: but like there are extras, and so no, you're probably
Speaker 1: not going to be part of this for decades at
Speaker 1: a time, but take a few, like take some years off,
Speaker 1: and then add the extras that you would also pay
Speaker 1: on a monthly basis, And it's not crazy to think
Speaker 1: that this is about the number that somebody could be spending.
Speaker 3: Right yeah, in a variety of things. I know we're
Speaker 3: using weight Watchers or Jenny Craig as examples, and I
Speaker 3: recognize that that may not be the case for those
Speaker 3: in like the millennial or the gen Z populations, those
Speaker 3: maybe aren't the brands that they're going for.
Speaker 1: They are Jill. I Now, since doing this research, I
Speaker 1: have gotten so many Instagram ads from not weight Watchers,
Speaker 1: but it's Instagram influencers and they're promoting weight Watchers. So
Speaker 1: weight Watchers is putting money behind it, and they've like
Speaker 1: rebranded to like WW and and there are people like
Speaker 1: it is still common, like it is not just our mothers.
Speaker 3: Right, Well, I mean I'm not and maybe it is
Speaker 3: that exact brand, but I'm also saying there's other options
Speaker 3: out there too for this type of engagement in diet culture,
Speaker 3: and the research is showing that more than half the
Speaker 3: population would consider themselves to be on a diet for
Speaker 3: some of those reasons, like you know, losing weight and
Speaker 3: wanting to look a certain way is like the primary
Speaker 3: reason in that regard, again, not just using the diet
Speaker 3: and like the oh, I'm cutting out sugar kind of way.
Speaker 3: And again, yeah, I think we can get caught up
Speaker 3: in the trap of well, if I'm not on one
Speaker 3: of those other big brands, then this doesn't apply to me.
Speaker 3: But yeah, if you're like doing the juicing thing, or
Speaker 3: you purchase something to do a thirty day cleanse, and
Speaker 3: you're buying the books, and you're like, that's part of
Speaker 3: what we're talking about here, and I'm again, I'm down
Speaker 3: with the journey for understanding what your body needs and health,
Speaker 3: but also keeping a pulse on how far does it
Speaker 3: go and how much money are we actually putting into
Speaker 3: this and does it work? Because this article is also
Speaker 3: talking about how long term these things don't actually give
Speaker 3: us the results that we want, which is mind boggling.
Speaker 3: And some of that has to do with what the
Speaker 3: articles also pointing out that our weight does not equate
Speaker 3: to how healthy we are. Just the measurement of BMI
Speaker 3: doesn't actually dictate whether or not in many cases we
Speaker 3: are quote unquote healthy. And again that's part of the
Speaker 3: societal messaging of here's what the body needs to look like.
Speaker 3: And we realize, we're coming to realize, thankfully, that there's
Speaker 3: so many different body types that can be healthy and
Speaker 3: look different, and so for that reason, we need to
Speaker 3: be able to engage in a lifestyle that works for us,
Speaker 3: because it's not a one size fits all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And they're saying, so the some of the negative
Speaker 1: effects from these fad diets, Like, so I will I
Speaker 1: will start with this and say, like I've been listening
Speaker 1: to this podcast called fed Up about this woman who
Speaker 1: has a fad diet which is like all fiber and
Speaker 1: how bowl are wrecking their digestive systems because they are
Speaker 1: in taking too much fiber and that's gonna have long
Speaker 1: term negative effects. And so typically these fad diets will
Speaker 1: just latch onto one really healthy nutrient, whether it's protein
Speaker 1: or fats or fiber and really emphasize that as the cure.
Speaker 1: All this is what you've been looking for this is
Speaker 1: what's going to help you lose weight. And yes, it
Speaker 1: will because you're cutting out foods that have typically carbs.
Speaker 1: Uh but yeah, but they will inherently have long term
Speaker 1: effects if you do it long term. Thankfully, like not
Speaker 1: a lot of people stick with these things long term.
Speaker 1: But if you go hard and heavy or you know,
Speaker 1: do it for a long time, that can have negative effects.
Speaker 1: And so some of the negative effects that they're saying
Speaker 1: that these diets have is it can weaken your immune system.
Speaker 1: It can cause dehydration, especially with the that's the one
Speaker 1: that got me thinking with the fiber one, because if
Speaker 1: you're just excreting everything all the time you were going
Speaker 1: to it doesn't matter how much water you're drinking, you
Speaker 1: were gonna get dehydrated. It can damage hair and skin,
Speaker 1: It can disturb your bowel habits, and it can make
Speaker 1: you grumpy and irritable. That should probably be number one.
Speaker 3: Number one reason, not to number one reason.
Speaker 1: I am always grumpy and irritable if I don't get carbs.
Speaker 1: So that's man. I wish they just had a carb
Speaker 1: carb lifestyle. I wish they had a carb lifestyle magazine.
Speaker 3: It would be and I think what's being highlighted. Here
Speaker 3: is just some red flags, like some water marks of
Speaker 3: fads that would indicate it's a fad and maybe not
Speaker 3: for me if it is just focused on one thing,
Speaker 3: like we found them magic trick and it's fiber. We've
Speaker 3: found the magic trick and it's protein. We found the
Speaker 3: magic trick and it's magnesium. Like whatever it is, it's
Speaker 3: probably not just one thing, because our bodies and our
Speaker 3: lifestyles need more than just one thing. So there you go.
Speaker 3: Red flag number one. Number two is if it requires
Speaker 3: a lot of will power. I know when it comes
Speaker 3: to dieting and exercise, a lot of times willpower gets
Speaker 3: thrown around like this morality term, like oh I didn't
Speaker 3: have the willpower. You need to have the willpower to
Speaker 3: do this and this very pull yourself up by the bootstraps.
Speaker 3: And in reality, willpower can only go so long. Willpower
Speaker 3: is something that yes, we can harness, but for a
Speaker 3: very short period of time. There's not much longevity to it.
Speaker 3: And it doesn't mean that there's something wrong with us
Speaker 3: if we can't stick to something really extreme for a
Speaker 3: really long time. So if it's requiring that, there you go.
Speaker 3: There's another red flag that you know what, maybe this
Speaker 3: isn't for me. Maybe there's a way that I can
Speaker 3: care for myself and value myself that doesn't require extremes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I will leave. I have one last thing that
Speaker 1: I wanted to highlight from this episode, and it doesn't
Speaker 1: It doesn't cover the long term medical effects on the
Speaker 1: costs of these long term effects, because it could be
Speaker 1: different for everyone. But I love that it's it's mostly
Speaker 1: focused on like kind of the immediate costs. And so
Speaker 1: this one says almost half of all new gym members
Speaker 1: stop going to the gym after six months, wasting about
Speaker 1: two hundred and forty dollars a year. And it says
Speaker 1: that of one hundred percent of gym members, twenty nine
Speaker 1: percent are actively going, twenty seven percent are going like
Speaker 1: four times a month, so they have low usage, and
Speaker 1: then forty four percent drop out completely and so annually
Speaker 1: they've it's been proven annual plans won't motivate you to
Speaker 1: go to the gym. So this is one of those
Speaker 1: if you if you do want to start a gym membership,
Speaker 1: which is great, like we fully support I fully support
Speaker 1: gym memberships. I go to CrossFit, I pay much more
Speaker 1: than forty dollars a month for CrossFit, but I love it.
Speaker 1: I use ego four times a week. Don't choose an
Speaker 1: annual plan unless you have proven that you will go
Speaker 1: for six months or more. Pay more for the monthly
Speaker 1: plan and prove to yourself, Okay, yes I will go,
Speaker 1: I will continue. This is something I love and enjoy
Speaker 1: and want to do. Then sign up for the annual
Speaker 1: plan because and this is honestly with a lot of
Speaker 1: things that have annual plans, it is worth the money
Speaker 1: to pay extra per month to do the monthly plan
Speaker 1: so you can figure out if you like it and
Speaker 1: you'll stick to it because most of the time you
Speaker 1: don't get that unused money back. So yeah.
Speaker 3: Gym memberships too, can be the hardest thing to cancel
Speaker 3: because if you're realizing I'm not utilizing it, to cancel
Speaker 3: it means to almost relinquish the fantasy of self that
Speaker 3: someday I'll get into it. So yeah, starting off small
Speaker 3: is helpful making sure that you're going to go and
Speaker 3: utilize it, but then also giving yourself grace if you're realizing,
Speaker 3: you know what, this isn't the style or method that's
Speaker 3: working for me. It's not a failure I've just learned
Speaker 3: more about myself and I am going to cancel regardless
Speaker 3: of like whatever meaning I may attach to that. If
Speaker 3: I'm not going, then it is wasted money.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think this article really emphasizes that the
Speaker 1: diet portion. Yeah, it can be expensive if you're doing
Speaker 1: like a diet. If you're just trying to you know, eat,
Speaker 1: then you can get like an unprocessed food for a
Speaker 1: similar price as a processed food, and like, especially if
Speaker 1: you're looking at frozen and stuff like that does take
Speaker 1: a smidge more work. I understand that. But there are
Speaker 1: ways to eat healthy for not a lot of money,
Speaker 1: but not if you're following like a very specific rigid diet.
Speaker 1: If the definition of healthy eating to you is no
Speaker 1: carbs or no this or know that, and you have
Speaker 1: to get specialty stuff, that is going to be more expensive.
Speaker 1: Now I will say a caveat to that are meats. Obviously,
Speaker 1: if you choose to go you know, the organic, free
Speaker 1: range that sort of thing, then that is quite more expensive.
Speaker 1: But even if you're choosing to do organic produce and
Speaker 1: doing just the dirty dozen, then it still can be affordable,
Speaker 1: especially if you're choosing more like vegetarian.
Speaker 3: But chances are if you are someone who is operating
Speaker 3: under a more strict diet cutting out certain things prioritizing
Speaker 3: you know, organic grass fed meats, then it's probably a
Speaker 3: high value and values based spending. There is room and
Speaker 3: permission for that. Depending on what your income looks like,
Speaker 3: it might mean cutting other things, but if it's something
Speaker 3: you want to afford, then we can look to find
Speaker 3: ways to be able to do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's such a great point because if you're if
Speaker 1: you highly value that really high quality meat and produce,
Speaker 1: and you're asking, how do I save money on groceries
Speaker 1: I only want to get like free range, grass fed
Speaker 1: organic wag, you like, that's not where you should be asking,
Speaker 1: because you've already decided what you want. You've already decided
Speaker 1: what you value, and the question is how do I
Speaker 1: cut other things out that I care less about to
Speaker 1: afford more of what I want in this area? So
Speaker 1: you just I mean, there's a place for everyone to
Speaker 1: eat healthy, and eating healthy isn't one type of grocery list.
Speaker 1: It can look there can be hundreds of different grocery
Speaker 1: lists and they can all be healthy, And I think
Speaker 1: that's what we really want to get through. That's the
Speaker 1: radical middle of health. When it comes to to being
Speaker 1: healthy with food and then also getting active, you can
Speaker 1: there's an array of things to move your body.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, there's not.
Speaker 1: One type of workout that is better than another, or
Speaker 1: that will you know, solve all your problems where another
Speaker 1: I see I see all the time, like these these
Speaker 1: YouTube ads scream at me like cardio, stop doing cardio,
Speaker 1: tolose Wait what is with that push right right now right?
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, I get their marketing. I understand where
Speaker 1: they're basing it off of, but I was like, that's
Speaker 1: not the whole picture. But of course you're not going
Speaker 1: to say the whole picture because you want to be
Speaker 1: like revolutionary and extreme. So yeah, like it's about what
Speaker 1: you're going to do and extremes sell.
Speaker 3: So even I mean, I know we mentioned a couple
Speaker 3: of episodes to go back to, but even also going
Speaker 3: back into our archives to the marketing episodes, recognizing that
Speaker 3: we are being marketed to people aren't necessarily just looking
Speaker 3: out for our best interest in what's going to be
Speaker 3: most healthy for our bodies, Like they are trying to
Speaker 3: sell something extreme, sometimes not caring about how much it's
Speaker 3: going to mess with our bowel movements? But what's going
Speaker 3: to make the most money Because it's just an ad.
Speaker 3: They're just they're selling a product.
Speaker 1: They know they can pray on insecurities and they're doing it.
Speaker 1: And that's why we spend money every year at an
Speaker 1: increase rate. Like the weight loss industry is a growing industry,
Speaker 1: and now some subsets of that have decreased, like boutique
Speaker 1: weight loss like centers, you know, those are getting less popular.
Speaker 1: But it's just the rise of like internet, like online
Speaker 1: courses for different fad diets are increasing, so you're just
Speaker 1: seeing like different the money is just going to different places.
Speaker 1: So let's just get off of the bandwagon. Let's just leave.
Speaker 3: Just let's leave.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there are but but when you say just leave,
Speaker 1: it's like where do you go? Like where? How what
Speaker 1: do you do? Because we've got decades of programming to
Speaker 1: say thinn is healthy or extreme diets are healthy.
Speaker 3: So this is just.
Speaker 1: Like one option that we're going to like throw out here.
Speaker 1: And this is an article from Healthline and it's called
Speaker 1: a Quick Guide to Intuitive Eating. And people call intuitive
Speaker 1: eating the anti diet, and I think, I mean, I thought,
Speaker 1: because we're very on board with intuitive spending, kind of
Speaker 1: like values based spending and intuitive spending, that this might
Speaker 1: be a good thing to go through to start to
Speaker 1: at least start to get in I don't know, not
Speaker 1: in control, but just like mindful about what you're eating
Speaker 1: and how you're eating. Because for so many years of
Speaker 1: counting calories, counting macros, we've been relying on other people
Speaker 1: to tell us what to eat and how to eat,
Speaker 1: that we have not developed the skills needed to identify hunger,
Speaker 1: to identify fullness, to identify foods that make us feel
Speaker 1: good and ones that don't.
Speaker 3: Like I think, you know, yes, this is one method,
Speaker 3: but I feel so much like this isn't just another fad.
Speaker 3: Of course, put whatever word you want on it, but
Speaker 3: to me, this strikes me as back to the basics.
Speaker 3: If we were to throw off all the trappings of
Speaker 3: societal messaging and marketing and extremes and what we as
Speaker 3: women feel we need to be looking like, acting like,
Speaker 3: sounding like, then this is it. What does healthy relationship
Speaker 3: with our behaviors and the things that we engage in
Speaker 3: and how we nourish our body look like? How do
Speaker 3: we pay attention to ourselves and our needs as we
Speaker 3: move through the world, So this doesn't This isn't like, oh,
Speaker 3: here's the next new thing. This is just how have
Speaker 3: we done it in the past, Like what how do
Speaker 3: we eat again? Like how do we get back to
Speaker 3: the basics of just like not making this super complicated.
Speaker 3: That's how this article is striking me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, how do I find what's right for me?
Speaker 1: Because I don't know what's right for me because I've
Speaker 1: been listening to other people tell me what's right for me,
Speaker 1: which sounds like the same thing that we say about spending.
Speaker 1: Even this first part where it's like, first you need
Speaker 1: to distinguish between physical and emotional hunger, So the biological
Speaker 1: urge telling you need to replenish nutrients versus hunger driven
Speaker 1: by emotional needs, and the same thing. It's like, we
Speaker 1: need to figure out like needs and true values versus
Speaker 1: emotional spending.
Speaker 3: And listen just like spending, just like money, just like budgeting.
Speaker 3: This is calling us to the deeper messaging, the deeper
Speaker 3: ideas mental that it's not just about the behaviors. It's
Speaker 3: not just about what exercise regimen you engage in, what
Speaker 3: food you eat, but your association with those things. The
Speaker 3: relationship that you have with yourself and with your ideas
Speaker 3: about food, with your ideas about body movement. And so
Speaker 3: this idea of intuitive eating, it's promoting a healthy attitude
Speaker 3: towards food, towards body image. It's getting at some of
Speaker 3: those deeper things, and for some of us maybe relearning
Speaker 3: how to trust ourselves, how to be in tune with
Speaker 3: our body, with how the various stimuli around us again,
Speaker 3: whether exercise or food or otherwise is impacting us, and
Speaker 3: how then we want to respond and engage with that thing.
Speaker 3: But before the behavior, learning these things, and so they
Speaker 3: go through ten key principles, which I think are fantastic.
Speaker 3: I think it's worth us going through all ten. Yeah
Speaker 3: they're very short, Yeah, yeah, exactly, there's not paragraphs attached
Speaker 3: to it. And so the first one is this need
Speaker 3: to reject a diet mentality that that extremist thinking that
Speaker 3: we've been talking about, that it's not necessarily a diet
Speaker 3: that's going to work for us, and diets don't have
Speaker 3: long term sustainability. Maybe it's like a quick fix, but
Speaker 3: we want a mentality that is for a lifetime sustainable rhythmic.
Speaker 3: So that's we talk a lot about mindset that's going
Speaker 3: to be part of that, that we're not on a diet,
Speaker 3: we are just engaging in our life in the world
Speaker 3: around us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, part I mean it sounds like I don't know, honestly,
Speaker 1: part of me doesn't want to give up the diet
Speaker 1: mentality because I feel like I can be part of
Speaker 1: the five percent that can succeed, like one hundred percent
Speaker 1: of people feel like they can be part of the
Speaker 1: five percent that actually like succeeds with a diet, which
Speaker 1: is so funny and that statistic made me laugh because
Speaker 1: that's me. And but it is in order to have
Speaker 1: like to be fully okay with your body that you
Speaker 1: have to give up the diet mentality, like they don't.
Speaker 1: They cannot coexist.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I hear you in that, Jen, But then
Speaker 3: is it for the diet or is it for you?
Speaker 3: I think sometimes we have to look at how much
Speaker 3: of this do I want to do this just for
Speaker 3: achievement or to say that I did this to or
Speaker 3: is it actually to aim at health and well being.
Speaker 1: It's not to aim at health and well being for sure,
Speaker 1: absolutely not. I can tell you that.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So that's just starting off with the first one is
Speaker 1: going to be very hard. Two is to honor your hunger.
Speaker 1: Hunger is not your enemy, so respond to your early
Speaker 1: signs of hunger by feeding your body. If you let
Speaker 1: yourself get excessively hungry, then you are likely to overeat.
Speaker 3: Yes, and this comes with preparation, same with how we
Speaker 3: approach impulse spending, having some of those foods prepared already
Speaker 3: that you know you're gonna enjoy, that you feel good
Speaker 3: about eating, and eat when you're hungry.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it'll It can also help you, like save
Speaker 1: you from takeout, because if you eat when you're hungry,
Speaker 1: then you don't let it bottle up all day so
Speaker 1: that you just like get so hungry you want to
Speaker 1: get takeout instead of eat the food you have at home.
Speaker 3: The third one is make peace with food. I love
Speaker 3: how they just say call a truce in the war
Speaker 3: with food. Getting rid of ideas about what you should
Speaker 3: or shouldn't eat again. Oh gosh, there's so many correlations
Speaker 3: and parallels to money, like thinking money is good or bad,
Speaker 3: or debt is good or bad. It's neutral, how do
Speaker 3: you want to engage with it? Food is neutral? How
Speaker 3: do you want to engage with it?
Speaker 1: I loved this Instagram post that I read and it's
Speaker 1: from I think it was from kids Eating Color, but
Speaker 1: it's one of the toddler like eating profiles and it
Speaker 1: was like how to explain foods to your kids, and
Speaker 1: it's like a series and I think this one was
Speaker 1: for like cupcakes or something or dessert, and it's like,
Speaker 1: the foods are neutral, but some foods give us more
Speaker 1: energy and longer energy than others. Cupcakes give us energy
Speaker 1: for a short amount of time, but we also need
Speaker 1: to eat foods that give us energy for a longer
Speaker 1: amount of time. So all the foods are neutral. It's
Speaker 1: just let's make sure we're getting enough energy. We're getting
Speaker 1: enough of the right energy.
Speaker 3: Yes, I love that. Not late food is good or bad.
Speaker 3: That's like not the best version of messaging for ourselves
Speaker 3: or our children.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Four is to challenge the food police again. Yeah,
Speaker 1: food is not good or bad, and you are not.
Speaker 1: You are not good or bad for what you eat
Speaker 1: or don't eat. Yeah, because you are the food police.
Speaker 1: You are the food police in your head, and you
Speaker 1: are not good or bad for what you eat or
Speaker 1: don't eat. So challenge the thoughts that tell you otherwise.
Speaker 3: This is I feel like this, you're speaking directly to me,
Speaker 3: particularly how I might police my loved ones. Sorry, Eric,
Speaker 3: mostly my husband. He does want to eat so many
Speaker 3: French fries though, and I support that. But you know,
Speaker 3: like anything in excess is excessive.
Speaker 1: But you know what value you? Too much of it? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's too much of anything is no longer a special thing.
Speaker 3: Watch I'll find out that like according to his body composition,
Speaker 3: like he needed so many potatoes and salt, like it's
Speaker 3: what he actually got. I mean, look at.
Speaker 1: Him, he is tall and thin, and I assure you
Speaker 1: he probably needs more French fries than you think he does.
Speaker 1: All right, all right, one for you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go, Eric, I'll stop being your food police.
Speaker 3: Number five is respect your fullness, And this is going
Speaker 3: to come back to a more mindful approach and connection
Speaker 3: with our whole selves and our personhood and learning to
Speaker 3: trust our body. I know some of that might sound
Speaker 3: like a little out there, but I think we are connected.
Speaker 3: These things don't exist in a vacuum, and so learning
Speaker 3: what it feels like to be full, slowing down, enjoying
Speaker 3: the food that we're choosing to put into our bodies,
Speaker 3: and then noticing, Okay, I think that's enough, that's gonna
Speaker 3: be helpful. Versus blowing past all of those natural boundaries
Speaker 3: and warning signs can so many correlations to other parts
Speaker 3: of life. We just aren't paying attention, and we blow
Speaker 3: past ourselves and end up potentially hurting ourselves. So slow down,
Speaker 3: be mindful, pay attention, and honor your fullness.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you do this so well, Travis and I do not,
Speaker 1: and Travis especially he will. So everyone was taught like
Speaker 1: clean your plate, like everyone had to finish everything on
Speaker 1: their plate growing up, and he lives by that now.
Speaker 1: He can't just finish his plate. He has to make
Speaker 1: sure all the plates are clean. And like, I know
Speaker 1: there have been times where I have made enough for
Speaker 1: us to eat meals and then have leftovers for each
Speaker 1: of us the next day, and I'll go to package
Speaker 1: and there's only one meal worth of leftovers, and that's like,
Speaker 1: I mean, that means one of us is buy and
Speaker 1: lunch the next day. So it's like a financial thing too,
Speaker 1: Like when you are in tune with your fullness and
Speaker 1: you can identify I'm full, I don't have to finish
Speaker 1: what's on my plate. I can package it up and
Speaker 1: eat it tomorrow. That's like another way to save money.
Speaker 1: And obviously eat until full, but I know so more often,
Speaker 1: like nine times out of ten, the problem isn't not
Speaker 1: eating enough, it's eating too much.
Speaker 3: Well that's the thing that I'm Yeah, I think it's
Speaker 3: tied into number six too, the satisfaction factor. I don't
Speaker 3: even know if it's eating to fullness. I think it's
Speaker 3: eating to satisfaction, Like I don't eat until I wait
Speaker 3: until I feel stuffed, Like I eat what I believe
Speaker 3: is it a reasonable amount of food for me? And
Speaker 3: I don't keep going until it's like, oh yeah, roll
Speaker 3: me out of here. And I think that's a mentality
Speaker 3: thing too, that I mean I've developed over years. But
Speaker 3: I think it's connected to this concept of like learning
Speaker 3: what what we need? What's enough, gollee. We got to
Speaker 3: learn that with our money, what's enough and be satisfied
Speaker 3: in those things. Learn degrees of contentment while learning yourself.
Speaker 3: But yeah, and we're not going to know that that
Speaker 3: we're full or we're satisfied until we've given ourselves time
Speaker 3: to like sit with it versus like shoveling shoveling food in. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but that so the satisfaction factor too. I want to
Speaker 3: talk a little bit about that, not just eating until
Speaker 3: like yeah fullness and just what's satisfying, but also engaging
Speaker 3: in an enjoyable experience with food, like making sure that
Speaker 3: what we're eating we can enjoy, and even if it's
Speaker 3: just veggies, there are some fantastic ways to make veggies
Speaker 3: taste really good. One of the things that's also helped
Speaker 3: me in this satisfaction factor is if I'm craving something,
Speaker 3: honoring that craving, recognizing like I can have that thing
Speaker 3: even if it's labeled by society as bad or not
Speaker 3: good for you or something to avoid. I can have it,
Speaker 3: but have it just for the purpose of the satisfying flavor,
Speaker 3: not that I need to have the whole thing. So
Speaker 3: a lot of times this is like dessert for me
Speaker 3: that I personally don't have, like a big sweet tooth,
Speaker 3: but like catch me with some bread and butter, and
Speaker 3: that's going to be where I struggle. But sometimes I'll
Speaker 3: want something but it doesn't mean that like I need
Speaker 3: a whole big handful of cake. I just want a
Speaker 3: bite of it. It doesn't mean I need a whole
Speaker 3: chocolate bar. I just want a bite of it. And
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that that's going to work for everybody.
Speaker 3: But that's how the satisfaction factor has looked for me,
Speaker 3: is just a little taste of the thing that I
Speaker 3: want and being satisfied with that while also eating all
Speaker 3: the other nutrients that I need. I'm not saying that
Speaker 3: I'm starving myself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm paying attention to how you feel after you
Speaker 1: eat and when you wake up in the morning. Like,
Speaker 1: I think, a big problem. And I don't want to
Speaker 1: throw Travis under the bus, but he has I mean,
Speaker 1: he eats a lot of unhealthy food that doesn't make
Speaker 1: him feel great, makes him feel tired, but he doesn't
Speaker 1: want to admit that that that's why he's tired and
Speaker 1: that's why he's flemmy and stuff. So he has like
Speaker 1: total capability of changing and stopping food and he will
Speaker 1: eat healthy like when I cook for him, but it's
Speaker 1: it's all the other it's when he's out in the
Speaker 1: wild you mean work, Yeah, So like I mean, also
Speaker 1: pay attention to how the body feels after eating something,
Speaker 1: because if you feel yucky, that's not satisfying. And I
Speaker 1: think that's what's going to move us more in the
Speaker 1: direction of healthier food, especially for somebody with a I
Speaker 1: think mindfulness and intention about that observation is what can
Speaker 1: steer us in the direction of foods that have longer
Speaker 1: lasting energy sources. So seven is to also honor your
Speaker 1: feelings without using food. This one will save you money
Speaker 1: too when you use free ways to honor your feelings.
Speaker 1: So whether it's like a negative feeling or a positive feeling,
Speaker 1: so taking a walk, meditating, journaling, and calling a friend
Speaker 1: versus eating, then you can also become more like become
Speaker 1: aware of the times when a feeling that you might
Speaker 1: call hunger is actually emotion based, and this helps with
Speaker 1: that too. And it's just identifying so that we don't
Speaker 1: because out of emotion, we're never going for the foods
Speaker 1: with more energy. We're always going for the short energy foods.
Speaker 1: So I think this is a really good one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we can spend, we can eat unnecessarily. There's so
Speaker 3: many things we can do when we're sad, but finding
Speaker 3: the coping strategies that are going to work, and then
Speaker 3: respecting our body rather than criticizing ourselves for how we
Speaker 3: look or perceiving it as wrong. This is a mentality
Speaker 3: shift of gratitude for what is your body capable of
Speaker 3: what are the parts that you like about how you're
Speaker 3: formed and the uniquenesses of who you are. And as
Speaker 3: we can be grateful for our abilities and respect ourselves,
Speaker 3: then we are likely to move into better relationships with
Speaker 3: food and body movement behaviors and all that kind of thing.
Speaker 3: But again, it's going to start with our minds and
Speaker 3: the story and the narrative that we're telling ourselves. There
Speaker 3: was a recent podcast where the book where we talked
Speaker 3: about books book Club, and I was talking about children's books.
Speaker 3: So I remembered another one that I almost mentioned on
Speaker 3: that podcast. But here you go. Here's another children's book
Speaker 3: that I love that breaks down this concept. It's called
Speaker 3: I Like Me by Nancy Carlson. I was just at
Speaker 3: my mom's house recently going through like old childhood books,
Speaker 3: and this was one of my favorites as a kid,
Speaker 3: and she read it to me often. And maybe it's
Speaker 3: a part of why, like a small part. There's probably
Speaker 3: a lot of layers, like I do feel like I've
Speaker 3: got a good relationship with food and myself, and like,
Speaker 3: thank you mom for reading books like this to me
Speaker 3: as a young kid. It's like this little piglet who
Speaker 3: is just like she likes herself, and it's all the
Speaker 3: things that she lists off that she likes about herself.
Speaker 3: Of course, you know, we could go to extremes with
Speaker 3: that of like, oh man, you're thinking so highly of yourself,
Speaker 3: But I don't know. I think it just promotes such
Speaker 3: a positive outlook and a tempered approach. So there you go.
Speaker 3: If you want a message for yourself or for your kids.
Speaker 3: It's a really cute little book.
Speaker 1: I agree. It's much better than my dad like every
Speaker 1: month saying we all need to get on a diet.
Speaker 1: That was what I grew up with during childhood.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna come over. I'm gonna read you that book, Jen.
Speaker 1: Oh, thank you. Respecting your body can also save you
Speaker 1: money on clothes, because I know we're all holding onto
Speaker 1: clothes that we want to fit into that we used to.
Speaker 1: We're all holding onto this like you know, former self,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Or buying goal pants, which is something
Speaker 1: I did as a teen, Like I would buy something
Speaker 1: that was a little too tight and be like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'll work and I'll fit into them, and I never
Speaker 1: did because I was a growing human. So this and
Speaker 1: just buying things that look good in other people, but
Speaker 1: and you want them to look good on you because
Speaker 1: you want to look like other people. But your body
Speaker 1: isn't like theirs. So respect your body and dress it
Speaker 1: how you feel good about, not what society is telling
Speaker 1: you to look like or what you know you have
Speaker 1: an idea of how you should dress and look like.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Ninth is to exercise. Move your body. This is like
Speaker 1: very very important. And not to move your body for
Speaker 1: the sake of burning calories, but to move it because
Speaker 1: of all, because you want to move it in a
Speaker 1: way that you want to. Whether it's you know, whether
Speaker 1: it's the running that's gonna you know, burn a bunch
Speaker 1: of calories, or maybe just some light yoga like consistency
Speaker 1: is key. So move your body in a way that
Speaker 1: you enjoy and that you will stick with sustainably. So
Speaker 1: it may that the season you are in life may
Speaker 1: determine how you're moving your body. Yeah, but just just
Speaker 1: do something that you like and can actually fit into
Speaker 1: your schedule.
Speaker 3: With my counseling clients, I've called exercise body movement. At
Speaker 3: this point, I think we have such a poor association
Speaker 3: with the term exercise when really it's learning ways to
Speaker 3: move our body that we enjoy, there will be no
Speaker 3: sustainability in it unless we enjoy it. So if you
Speaker 3: like playing soccer, or playing tennis, or swimming, or if
Speaker 3: you like running great, if you like the quick spurts,
Speaker 3: like hit whatever it is, biking walking, find something that
Speaker 3: you enjoy and move your body and call it that
Speaker 3: if that helps, get rid of the vernacular if it's
Speaker 3: becoming a hindrance. And then finally, number ten, honor your health.
Speaker 3: And I love this term gentle nutrition. This speaks such kindness.
Speaker 3: Finding the foods that taste good to you, make you
Speaker 3: feel good, recognizing that one meal, one snack isn't gonna
Speaker 3: make or break your overall health. Just be kind to yourself.
Speaker 3: And you know what else is kind?
Speaker 1: Something that allows me to move my body and gives
Speaker 1: me so much joy and fulfillment.
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Speaker 3: was just like a twenty dollars a month reason to stay. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think a lot of people overestimate some of
Speaker 1: the benefits offered by employers, and it's always a good
Speaker 1: idea to actually list out the benefits you're using the
Speaker 1: cost per month that they are on their own, uh,
Speaker 1: and then using that as a template to go out
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Speaker 1: see what else you could get by not just improving
Speaker 1: your work life, but like you could get improved benefits
Speaker 1: and improved pay. But sometimes people will hold on to
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Speaker 1: I don't think it's selfish at all.
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Speaker 1: So I like this one. If you could only eat
Speaker 1: one thing for a year, what would it be?
Speaker 3: Are we assuming that like it's giving us all the nutrition, that.
Speaker 1: All the nutrients, or so I like maybe this version better.
Speaker 1: If you could have an unlimited supply of one food,
Speaker 1: what would it be? Don't say gum. You cannot consume gum.
Speaker 1: Gum's not your answer, thank you.
Speaker 3: I really believe that I could subsist off of bread
Speaker 3: and wine, like bread, bread, butter, bread and salted butter
Speaker 3: and wine. Ah, that would be if that, if that provided,
Speaker 3: like I didn't need anything else and it was like
Speaker 3: all that my body needed. God, I love bread.
Speaker 1: All right Jesus, So for me, just take a communion
Speaker 1: every day so everything? Wow, you are you are really
Speaker 1: someone to be looked up to. Uh, Mine is not
Speaker 1: as biblical. Mine is the tear massou from public and
Speaker 1: people who only people with publics will know, and only
Speaker 1: a certain number of people with access to publics will know.
Speaker 1: But if you know, you know, the tier messou from
Speaker 1: publics is tops like it is sometimes better than actual
Speaker 1: tear missus. It's not like authentic Italian like if you're
Speaker 1: looking for authentic Italian tear missuit, it's not this, but
Speaker 1: it is so good it's sometimes like better than that.
Speaker 3: Okay, but like, are you understanding the question, like could.
Speaker 1: You unlimited apply all day every day.
Speaker 3: If you only ever could, if you could only eat
Speaker 3: that for a yearly I get it that it might
Speaker 3: be your favorite dessert, but like no, could you eat
Speaker 3: it all day every day?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 3: Wow?
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I feel I feel like the way more
Speaker 1: practically don't.
Speaker 3: Like bread is like enough that you know, there's it's
Speaker 3: just bland enough but just flavorful that Like, I don't
Speaker 3: think I could ever get tired of it, But you
Speaker 3: don't think you could ever get tired of tira massou.
Speaker 1: I won't say that, but I will say if I
Speaker 1: think of all the foods out there, yeah, it would
Speaker 1: be the last one for me to get tired of.
Speaker 3: That's amazing. Wow, Okay, I don't think I realized how
Speaker 3: deep this went for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's good to know it's deep. And if you're
Speaker 1: ever at a Publix, go to the bakery refrigerated section,
Speaker 1: just a little tear massous with little chocolate corners.
Speaker 3: It's in the bakery section at Publics.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in like yeah, so yeah, that's my place. Puglis
Speaker 1: doesn't pay me to say that.
Speaker 3: But if they want to, apparently they could. They could
Speaker 3: give Jennie I please and then just like keep sending
Speaker 3: baggettes my way. Yes.
Speaker 1: So, I do have some sad news that Publics did
Speaker 1: change its recipe for tear missoux, so it is not
Speaker 1: as good as it used to be. I will In
Speaker 1: the past two years, that was always a fear everything good.
Speaker 1: There was my favorite muffin at Kawa for years, and
Speaker 1: that one changed its recipe and then now publics with
Speaker 1: the tear Missus. So I have moved on from that,
Speaker 1: but I do fondly remember that tear Missus.
Speaker 3: I could still live on bread, wine and butter.
Speaker 1: This is so true.
Speaker 3: Nothing's changed for.
Speaker 1: Me except you started making sour dough since this episode.
Speaker 1: Have I Yeah, yeah, I think I don't think you
Speaker 1: were making it when we recorded, and you have. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's in your French.
Speaker 3: Wow, I've just dove even deeper into my session. I'm
Speaker 3: not making my own wine or butter yet, but stay tuned.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but so thank you so much for sticky through
Speaker 1: this episode. It's a it's a little diversion, I think
Speaker 1: from what we normally talk about. It's a little maybe
Speaker 1: even controversial, I don't know, but it is when we
Speaker 1: need to. We need to challenge our mindset around these
Speaker 1: things that are peripheral to finance, because, like Jill said,
Speaker 1: we are whole people and while it is peripheral to finance,
Speaker 1: it does have a direct effect on how we think
Speaker 1: about it, just because we talk about stuff like this
Speaker 1: a lot more openly than we do about money, and honestly,
Speaker 1: I think it should be opposite way. I think we
Speaker 1: should talk a lot more openly about our money and
Speaker 1: how we're consuming products and services than how we're eating.
Speaker 1: But I have I still believe that the intuitive eating
Speaker 1: thing and the intuitive spending it's it's a great way
Speaker 1: if you can, and I think we tried to do
Speaker 1: in buy what you love without going broke. Maybe set
Speaker 1: up like values based spending is almost like a cousin
Speaker 1: to intuitive eating. It's definitely not intuitive spending. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: call it that, but I think they share the same
Speaker 1: root belief that you can consume anything. Nothing is inherently
Speaker 1: good or bad. I mean, there are some things, maybe
Speaker 1: like bad chemicals that hurt people, that's probably inherently bad,
Speaker 1: But for the most part, it's just how you consume things.
Speaker 1: And so we're looking at root costes about of why
Speaker 1: we consume. And when you can look at that, that's
Speaker 1: a much better way to improve spending habits, improve eating
Speaker 1: habits than just getting down on ourselves for how much
Speaker 1: we eat or spend.
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Speaker 3: Did I tell you the chickens are gone? No spill,
Speaker 3: no more chickens. Yeah. So after learning that the chickens
Speaker 3: that were terrorizing our little neighborhood aren't any one side chickens,
Speaker 3: they don't believe. And it's not just it was the
Speaker 3: rooster right there, there was one rooster, four chickens. The
Speaker 3: rooster would cock at all hours of the night, not
Speaker 3: just the morning.
Speaker 1: I I really you talked about it on the show,
Speaker 1: but I didn't believe it till I saw it. How
Speaker 1: they were wrecking your.
Speaker 3: Front lawn and they were reckless.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, it looked like a hurricane had through, like.
Speaker 3: A tiny tornado just through the front yard. It was
Speaker 3: yeah much everywhere. It was insane. Well turns out it
Speaker 3: wasn't anybody on our roads. So we have neighbors next
Speaker 3: door that have nine children. They were the ones who
Speaker 3: I thought that they had gotten the chickens, and they didn't.
Speaker 3: But they usually keep their windows open at night, and
Speaker 3: it's waking up all of the kids, the parents through
Speaker 3: the night. And again, once they knew this isn't anybody's
Speaker 3: actual chickens, they rounded them up. Apparently they texted us
Speaker 3: that they captured the chickens and just took them to
Speaker 3: another park. They just relocated them a few miles away,
Speaker 3: probably to terrorize some other neighborhood.
Speaker 1: Another countryside. They come to the animal rescue. If you
Speaker 1: were gonna go through all that work, why not take
Speaker 1: them to a place.
Speaker 3: Don't you know that they knew. It's just you know, true.
Speaker 3: An eight year old and a ten year old, and
Speaker 3: a fourteen year old and a sixteen year old, I'll
Speaker 3: just problem solving, that's what they decided to do. I
Speaker 3: would love to have that video footage though, of these
Speaker 3: kids capturing chickens.
Speaker 1: Chickens are not that easy to catch. I mean, you're not.
Speaker 1: They're vicious, but.
Speaker 3: They did it, and we haven't been woken up in
Speaker 3: the middle of the night anymore. I should get on
Speaker 3: the next door app and see if our neighbor's a
Speaker 3: few miles away are now complaining about a mysterious route.
Speaker 1: You know, honestly, you know that's what happened. They were
Speaker 1: someone else's and they took them to the park by
Speaker 1: your house to drop them off.
Speaker 3: Huh.
Speaker 1: And then it was your problem. And those kids were like,
Speaker 1: m m, it's not my problem anymore. Make it somebody
Speaker 1: else's problem. And they're just gonna neighborhood hop.
Speaker 3: Yeah, until we see all the little chickies show up someday.
Speaker 1: Oh, they're gonna multiply. Wow, Well, good job. I mean,
Speaker 1: I didn't do anything.
Speaker 3: I've just been here for.
Speaker 1: Saying to them, like good for them. They really they banded.
Speaker 1: They could get so much done banding together. If they
Speaker 1: choose good. Typically they choose evil. But when they choose good,
Speaker 1: they did.
Speaker 3: Public service for the whole neighborhood, not for the neighborhood
Speaker 3: a few miles away, but for us. They took that
Speaker 3: problem to their own hands and solved it the only
Speaker 3: way they knew how. I hope if you imagine seeing
Speaker 3: a bunch of kids walking down the road holding chickens.
Speaker 1: They couldn't even.
Speaker 5: They wo.
Speaker 3: To a different park.
Speaker 1: That's right. I didn't think about that. Wow. Good for them.
Speaker 1: Make them some cookies or something.
Speaker 3: Wow, Florida, So thank you Colorida Life. Yes, that's a
Speaker 3: good idea.