1 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: Welcome to Prognosis. I'm Laura Carlson, a producer on the show. 2 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 1: We had planned to launch our new season, a deep 3 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:17,240 Speaker 1: dive into the history of pandemics, in April, but then 4 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 1: the world changed. COVID nineteen has paralyzed countries, forced families 5 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 1: into their homes, and wiped out billions in the world's wealth, 6 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: and this is just the beginning. Extraordinary times like this 7 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: call for a few changes in programming, So Prognosis is 8 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:39,880 Speaker 1: becoming a daily show for as long as it makes 9 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: sense to be one. Every weekday afternoon. We'll talk you 10 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 1: through the most important developments in the COVID nineteen outbreak. 11 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: I'll be hosting this daily edition with the help of 12 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 1: Bloomberg's Jason Gale in Australia. Before we move on, one 13 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: more announcement. When you're done listening to the Daily Report today, 14 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: stick around for another special episode. It's an in depth 15 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: profile of the doctors and scientists who are leading the 16 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:12,960 Speaker 1: fight to understand and beat global scourges like the new coronavirus. 17 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:17,320 Speaker 1: If you're subscribed, that episode's in your feed right now. 18 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 1: Let's get started. It's day sixteen since the World Health 19 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 1: Organization declared COVID nineteen a global pandemic. As of the 20 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: latest reports, there are half a million known cases worldwide, 21 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:39,039 Speaker 1: and the disease has killed over twenty two thousand. Today's 22 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: main story what went wrong with testing? But first, here's 23 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 1: the latest news. Spain reported a surge in cases, though 24 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: the country had fewer deaths than a day earlier. Infections 25 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: also climbed in the Lombardy region of Italy, the epicenter 26 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: of the crisis in Europe. Europe now accounts for seven 27 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: out of ten reported fatalities, the World Health Organization said. 28 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: In the US, the virus is causing a total economic 29 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 1: system shock that's showing up in new economic indicators. Three 30 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: point to eight million Americans filed for unemployment benefits last 31 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 1: week after much of the U s economy ground to 32 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 1: a halt. That's more than four times the highest number 33 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: ever recorded back in nineteen eighty two, according to Labor 34 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: Department data release today. To offset the pandemic's destructive effect 35 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:37,799 Speaker 1: on workers and businesses, the Senate passed a historic two 36 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: trillion dollar rescue plan late last night. The package includes 37 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 1: expanded and extended unemployment benefits, loans, and assistance to large 38 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: and small businesses and billions for airlines, hotels, and the 39 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 1: retail industry. It is expected to pass the House easily 40 00:02:55,160 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 1: in a vote Friday morning. And finally, some encouraging minds 41 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: that we may soon be able to diagnose cases much faster. 42 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: Companies are rolling out COVID nineteen tests that can deliver 43 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: results in hours or even minutes. A new blood test 44 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 1: from medical supply firm Henry Shine takes nothing more than 45 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 1: a pin prick and can tell patients whether they are 46 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 1: infected in just fifteen minutes. Other companies like Robert Bosch 47 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: and The Logic Limited are also prototyping and developing quick 48 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 1: turnaround tests that diagnosed cases and a couple of hours 49 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 1: or a few minutes. Previously, it had taken days to 50 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 1: receive results. Even as companies race to invent smarter, faster 51 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: tests at the speed of the virus, the situation with 52 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 1: testing has varied widely around the world, which brings us 53 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: to our main story today, what went wrong with testing? 54 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 1: Health officials around the world have urged countries to step 55 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 1: up testing for the new coronavirus. They say we need 56 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: widespread tests to help under stand and reduce the transmission 57 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: of the virus. But some nations, like the United States, 58 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: have been slow to respond. When is testing everyone the 59 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 1: right thing to do? And why have some countries sprung 60 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 1: into action with aggressive testing while others seem so unprepared 61 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 1: to get tests on on a massive scale. It turns 62 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 1: out that resources are only part of the answer. Senior 63 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: editor Jason Gale reports, Dr ted Ross I don't know 64 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: Gabriezos is the World Health Organizations Directed General. On March sixteenth, 65 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 1: the delivered a stock warning to countries battling the coronavirus. 66 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: You cannot fight a fire unfolded, and we cannot stop 67 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: this pandemic if we don't know who is infected. We 68 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: have a simple message for all countries, test Test Test. 69 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:05,679 Speaker 1: Dr Tras was sending this message because not all countries 70 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 1: are testing for the virus on a massive scale. As 71 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 1: of last week, the US had carried out just over 72 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 1: ten tests per hundred thousand people in the population. The 73 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: testing rate in South Korea, on the other hand, is 74 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 1: more than sixty times higher. South Korea is often pointed 75 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 1: to as the biggest case for why widespread testing is 76 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 1: a success story. It was one of the first countries 77 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: outside of China to experience a large scale epidemic of 78 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 1: COVID nineteen. Last month, the disease rest veerying out of control, 79 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 1: with infections rising thirtyfold in just ten days. In response, 80 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 1: South Korea tested more than three hundred and twenty thousand 81 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: people in less than a month. It was a diagnostic 82 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 1: blitz creek, and it helped bring down the daily tally 83 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: of new infections to less than one hundred. That was 84 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 1: a big slowdown from just a few weeks earlier, when 85 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: new infections topped eight Here to day, South Korea shows 86 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: that scaling up testing and putting in place measures to 87 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:12,599 Speaker 1: stop onward transmission can put the epidemic in reverse. But 88 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:16,039 Speaker 1: lots of countries aren't doing the kind of widespread testing 89 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: south Korea has done. One reason we live an incredibly 90 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: short supply around the world. That's Dr Mike Catton. He's 91 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: the director of the Victorian Infectious Diseases Reference Laboratory in Melbourne. 92 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: He tested and diagnosed the first COVID nineteen case in Australia. 93 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: A coronavirus test requires certain chemicals or reagents to perform. 94 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:41,720 Speaker 1: Mike says all of the testing around the world has 95 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:45,839 Speaker 1: created intense demand for these chemicals and they're made in 96 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 1: Europe and in in Asia and America, which are both 97 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 1: heavily manufacturing capacity smashed, and their desperate to use those 98 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: very same reagents themselves. So there's a lot of competition 99 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: for our supply chains. Were all provably stockpiled, but we're 100 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 1: going through those tests. That an enormous right. Doctors want 101 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: more tests because it helps them tracks spread in communities. 102 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 1: It also allows hospital workers to identify patients for whom 103 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: they need to take extra precautions. In a city like 104 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: New York, which is more than a quarter of cases 105 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: in the United States, that spread is wide. Deborah Burke's, 106 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 1: the State Department doctor who is advising Vice President Mike Pants, 107 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: said this week that of tests in New York City 108 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: and surrounding areas are coming back positive. That compares with 109 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: less than eight and the rest of the country and 110 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 1: suggests a high prevalence of COVID nineteen. That makes it 111 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: even more important to find infected people. But that alone 112 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: isn't enough. So the first thing is you have to 113 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 1: have testing. But testing is only a good investment if 114 00:07:55,400 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: that leads to case isolation and to contact tracing. This 115 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: is doctor Analyze Wilder Smith. She's a professor of Emerging 116 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: infectious Diseases at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine. 117 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 1: In the absence of plentiful testing kids, there's been a 118 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 1: focus on only testing severe cases or people at risk 119 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 1: of developing serious complications. Analie says that's not sufficient to 120 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: turn the epidemic around. She says even people with mild 121 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: symptoms should get tested and then isolate themselves until the 122 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: result comes back negative. It's something she's trying to create 123 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 1: awareness about among the medical community in Switzerland, where she lives. 124 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 1: If you look at what China did, despite totally being 125 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: overwhelmed more than we are, they continued with isolation of 126 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 1: mild case cases whilst we stopped it. In total. In total, 127 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: there's no case. There's no isolation of milder cases in Singapore. 128 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: I visit a Singapore a week ago. Mild cases are 129 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: even in negative pressure rules and they dress up for 130 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:05,559 Speaker 1: them like like like demola. So that's how serious Singapore 131 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: takes mild cases because it's about not the case, it's 132 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 1: about transmission. So you need to have the facilities in 133 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: place to do isolation of mild cases. It's no coincidence 134 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 1: China and Singapore took similar approaches to COVID nineteen. Analy 135 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 1: says she was working in Singapore seventeen years ago when 136 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 1: the city state experienced an outbreak of another coronavirus from China, 137 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:36,599 Speaker 1: Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome or SARS. The lessons from SARS 138 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: have put many Asian countries ahead of Europe, not just 139 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: in the speed of their response, but also their capacity 140 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 1: to deal with it. Europe mistake was that we pulled 141 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: from the experience of influenza Asius advantage was they pulled 142 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 1: from the experience of stars. The flu mindset of European 143 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: county trees meant they failed to heed the warning signs 144 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 1: coming from China as early as January. We failed to 145 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 1: stock up on testing, to stock up on face masks 146 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 1: and and and to prepare true contact tracing in Europe. 147 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 1: In Europe, we failed. So it seems the big difference 148 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 1: between the countries which got testing right and the ones 149 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 1: that didn't is the infrastructure they had in place. Asian 150 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: countries had a semblance of what they'd be dealing with. 151 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: All nations in the West were preparing for flu. Analy 152 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: says it's not too late to learn from Asia the 153 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: lockdowns imposed in many countries provide a window of opportunity 154 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: for health authorities to bolster capacity for not just detecting cases, 155 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 1: but also for early isolation regardless of severity. That was 156 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: Jason Gale in Melbourne. 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