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Speaker 1: this is Newt Gingrich. I just talked with Sarah Carter,

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Speaker 1: an amazing journalist. She spent years and years studying the

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Speaker 1: Mexican drug cartels, and we had a really in depth

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Speaker 1: discussion about what happened to the nine American citizens, six

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Speaker 1: of whom were children, who were killed in northern Mexico,

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Speaker 1: and we talked about the whole problem of drug cartels. Originally,

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Speaker 1: Sarah and I were going to do this for my

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Speaker 1: but I thought this was so important and such a

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Speaker 1: and let you know that this is really one of

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Speaker 1: the key topics of the next few years. What are

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Speaker 1: cartels and the war that we're in now, both in

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Speaker 1: conversation with Sarah Carter. I hope you'll consider joining the

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Speaker 1: Inner Circle, but more importantly, I hope you'll think about

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Speaker 1: how this applies to what we need to do to

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Speaker 1: make sure our country safe. We're delighted to have a

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Speaker 1: the whole question of the drug cartels, and it's extraordinarily

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Speaker 1: knowledgeable and in fact I'm talking with her the day

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Speaker 1: you for talking with us when you must have at

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Speaker 1: least a little bit of just travel exhaustion. It's great

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Speaker 1: and it's a global issue, but more importantly, it's a

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Speaker 1: And I think that it's a terrible tragedy which led

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Speaker 1: for these kind of moments. But you've been looking at

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Speaker 1: us understand how to contextualize this story. I'm very familiar

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Speaker 1: especially inside Mexico, inside Central America. When they have a

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Speaker 1: that's separate from this incident what happened here. I'm not

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Speaker 1: that these people are brutal murderers. They are terrorists. What

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Speaker 1: The problem is is that there are so many people

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