WEBVTT - Ep. 76: Piano Wire and Power Bait 0:00:05.920 --> 0:00:07.440 I will not be handed a rod with a fish 0:00:07.480 --> 0:00:09.840 already on. And I hate that. I hate that. If 0:00:09.840 --> 0:00:11.960 I were on a sinking boat and I had a 0:00:12.000 --> 0:00:14.840 Great White on the starboard side and I had a 0:00:14.920 --> 0:00:17.639 Mako on the port side, I would jump off the 0:00:17.680 --> 0:00:19.400 side of the Great White. Did you ever try and 0:00:19.440 --> 0:00:20.840 catch any of the fish in your fish tank when 0:00:20.840 --> 0:00:22.720 you're a kid? You can't flush because it would be 0:00:22.760 --> 0:00:25.279 like flushing a metal porcupine. You can run it over 0:00:25.360 --> 0:00:29.280 with a truck and it'll be fine. Good morning to 0:00:29.360 --> 0:00:31.960 generate anglers. And welcome to Bend the Fishing podcast that 0:00:32.200 --> 0:00:33.559 Jess wants you to go to the end of the 0:00:33.560 --> 0:00:36.120 pulpit so you can give the dink Walleye had just 0:00:36.159 --> 0:00:39.559 called a little more scale. I'm Joe Surmelie, and I'm 0:00:39.600 --> 0:00:45.040 hating samac and I have a sneaking suspicion. I guess 0:00:45.159 --> 0:00:49.080 what's about to happen. Well, look, you kind of set 0:00:49.120 --> 0:00:51.080 yourself up for it a few weeks ago when I 0:00:51.159 --> 0:00:53.120 when I said I'm not talking about bull trout and 0:00:53.120 --> 0:00:55.960 I'm talking about shark and and and what what was 0:00:56.000 --> 0:00:58.640 perhaps a moment of weakness for you on the show. 0:00:59.120 --> 0:01:01.240 You said you didn't know what I was talking about 0:01:01.440 --> 0:01:04.640 that is what you said at the time. Yeah, yeah, 0:01:04.640 --> 0:01:07.720 I know I did say that, and uh yes, following 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:11.199 that episode, I actually there were like four or five 0:01:11.240 --> 0:01:13.199 folks who like lift me up on the old ins 0:01:13.240 --> 0:01:15.920 to slam, like just giving me a ship for not 0:01:16.120 --> 0:01:19.360 instantly recognizing that that was from It was the bull 0:01:19.440 --> 0:01:21.600 trout thing that threw me off, you know what I mean. 0:01:23.440 --> 0:01:25.920 And I defended myself and let everyone know that I 0:01:26.000 --> 0:01:29.600 have in fact, i've seen Jaws. Well I know, I 0:01:29.640 --> 0:01:32.720 know that you did that, but but I know and 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:37.520 I know you is my favorite. Oh god, that's terrible. 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:40.520 You did jump on there and and defend yourself and 0:01:40.520 --> 0:01:42.240 say I have seen it. But it wasn't good enough, 0:01:42.360 --> 0:01:48.360 was it? No? No, no, and you're an asshole. Uh. 0:01:48.600 --> 0:01:51.040 There was one guy that said, uh that we need 0:01:51.080 --> 0:01:53.440 to have a Jaws quiz or something on Ben to 0:01:53.480 --> 0:01:57.920 test my knowledge. And I mean we talked a little 0:01:57.920 --> 0:02:00.400 bit earlier, but I think that that's where or this is. 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:03.600 You asked me a question that was very like niche Jaws, 0:02:03.640 --> 0:02:08.799 and I was like, shit, he's lining up a quiz, dude, 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:12.080 I absolutely am uh. And that one guy specifically was 0:02:12.160 --> 0:02:15.720 at Money Mustache and I don't need more than one 0:02:15.800 --> 0:02:18.600 listener comment to get me to create a Jaws quiz. 0:02:18.960 --> 0:02:21.320 And I think that this is important, man, right, your 0:02:21.320 --> 0:02:24.480 reputation is a bit on the line. And I'm not 0:02:24.560 --> 0:02:26.680 saying you haven't seen Jaws, but around here, like you 0:02:26.680 --> 0:02:29.320 don't just see Jaws, like you absorb it. You make 0:02:29.400 --> 0:02:33.480 life decisions around its teachings. It becomes a part of you. 0:02:34.080 --> 0:02:37.520 So we're gonna We're gonna see, thanks to money mustache, 0:02:38.760 --> 0:02:46.560 how well you really know Jaws? Fine? Thanks? What do 0:02:46.639 --> 0:02:48.960 I win if I, like, say, I hit it out 0:02:49.000 --> 0:02:51.000 of the park? What do I win if you? If 0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:54.000 you get them all right? All right? I will send you. 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:56.079 I will send you a selection of hard baits from 0:02:56.080 --> 0:02:59.880 our glorious sponsors thirteen Fishing, including one of their locos 0:03:00.000 --> 0:03:03.440 special jerk bits that I added a hint of customization to. 0:03:03.840 --> 0:03:08.000 About that. You know, I have pretty much all of 0:03:08.480 --> 0:03:13.880 th stuff. I want a I want a Jaws inspired 0:03:14.320 --> 0:03:19.200 articulated streamer deal. That's why I will come up with that. 0:03:19.320 --> 0:03:22.880 And and one more thing. Getting them all right is 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:25.679 a high bar. I need like some leeway, Like what 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:27.720 what is like the passing grade here? What is my 0:03:27.800 --> 0:03:31.440 c plus? I would say, so, all right, So here's 0:03:31.440 --> 0:03:35.119 what I've done. I've devised four questions and they're they're 0:03:35.240 --> 0:03:38.680 ranging in in a degree of difficulty. Will start easy 0:03:38.760 --> 0:03:41.560 and get harder. Um, And I would I would like 0:03:41.600 --> 0:03:43.440 to say, first of all, I want you to succeed. 0:03:43.600 --> 0:03:46.080 I want you to ace this. But so you know, 0:03:46.320 --> 0:03:49.280 there's no inside baseball here. They're not like things that 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:51.840 like only like the highest caliber Jaws freak would know 0:03:51.960 --> 0:03:54.720 happened behind the scenes or anything like that. Like these 0:03:54.760 --> 0:03:58.080 can all be answered simply by watching the film and 0:03:58.120 --> 0:04:01.160 paying attention. And I would say, a, I don't know, man, 0:04:01.160 --> 0:04:04.280 it's only four questions. Three out of four want to fail? 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:09.040 That fair? Okay? All right, okay, so here we go. 0:04:09.400 --> 0:04:12.840 H folks at home, please play along. I'm I'm god, 0:04:12.880 --> 0:04:15.920 I'm enjoying this so much. This was so fun, alright, 0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:18.720 question number one? UM. And also, I'm not giving you 0:04:18.800 --> 0:04:21.719 multiple choice because that might jog your memory. You might 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:24.440 just guess, and that's not that's not proof positive that 0:04:24.520 --> 0:04:26.919 you know the answer to these questions. So you know, 0:04:27.320 --> 0:04:29.280 maybe take a wild stab if you don't know one. 0:04:29.960 --> 0:04:33.680 Question number one, tell me on which naval warship did 0:04:33.760 --> 0:04:37.440 quint serve during World War Two. Um, okay, it was 0:04:37.480 --> 0:04:41.680 the one that went down by sharks, and that's the 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:44.600 origin of his hatreot or. It didn't go down by sharks, 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:46.039 but it was the one I think it was in 0:04:46.040 --> 0:04:53.240 the Pacific Japanese sub slam two torpedoes in the water. Yeah, yeah, 0:04:53.240 --> 0:04:56.919 I know, I know, I remember it. Um. I wish 0:04:56.920 --> 0:04:58.920 the people could see you on the computer right now, 0:04:58.960 --> 0:05:02.480 like he is legit agonizing. There's a beat of sweat. 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:11.600 I guess I could give you partial credit. Remember I 0:05:11.600 --> 0:05:13.600 remember like that, I forget what the ship is called. 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:19.760 What is the ship called? Give me? Give me that one? 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:23.560 So like if I half asked another one? Okay, I 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:28.640 give is the USS Indianapolis? Say, I wish I just 0:05:28.720 --> 0:05:31.120 knew my naval history better, man, I remember the event 0:05:31.200 --> 0:05:33.200 I couldn't recall, like the name. Al right. Next question, 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:37.520 that was the easy one, all right. How much was 0:05:37.600 --> 0:05:45.160 Quint charging the mayor to catch and kill the shark? Oh? 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:47.640 You got that one? Good on yet that is correct. 0:05:47.800 --> 0:05:50.080 He'd find it for three kill and catch it and 0:05:50.160 --> 0:05:53.400 kill it for ten okay, good, alright, alright, doing good, 0:05:53.600 --> 0:05:59.840 doing good? All right? What specific material did Quint use 0:06:00.360 --> 0:06:06.160 as a bite leader in his shark rigs that would 0:06:06.160 --> 0:06:12.240 be the question, man um piano wire, that's correct. It 0:06:12.320 --> 0:06:15.600 was that a guess. I remembered it. I remembered it 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:20.440 being like something obscure, and then I thought, what was 0:06:20.560 --> 0:06:23.520 like the only thing that would be obscure and that 0:06:23.560 --> 0:06:25.360 could also be used as a leader, And I thought 0:06:25.360 --> 0:06:28.800 piano wire. So so there's a talking about inside Baseball. 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:31.640 There's the leaded scene where they show him buying spools 0:06:31.640 --> 0:06:33.640 of it in the local music shop that got cut. 0:06:33.680 --> 0:06:36.599 But even on the boat, he gives Hooper a hard 0:06:36.600 --> 0:06:38.600 time when when Hooper says it was a stingray and 0:06:38.640 --> 0:06:41.840 he says stingray bit through that piano wire. So it 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:45.120 is mentioned the film piano wires correct and serious shark guys. 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:47.320 After the fact, we're like, that's the dumbest thing. Piano 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:50.080 wire sucked. Like that was just you know, completely for 0:06:50.600 --> 0:06:54.600 you know, drama and spice. Nobody ever really used piano wire. Okay, 0:06:54.960 --> 0:06:58.120 last one, you're you're you're doing You're doing good. I 0:06:58.160 --> 0:07:01.800 like it. In the scene Hooper and Brody are dissecting 0:07:02.000 --> 0:07:04.360 the tiger shark that they thought was the man eater, 0:07:05.000 --> 0:07:08.880 Hooper pulls a license plate from its stomach. What state 0:07:08.960 --> 0:07:17.040 is it from? Okay? Well, and it is supposed to 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:21.040 be in Massachusetts, right, correct, But I don't think it 0:07:21.080 --> 0:07:27.880 would be from Massachusetts. M remember where they said it 0:07:27.960 --> 0:07:40.680 swam up from? Well y New York. I'm saying New York. 0:07:40.760 --> 0:07:46.480 I don't know. Okay, it was Louisiana sportsman's paradise. Oh, 0:07:46.560 --> 0:07:49.080 it's a tiger shark, not a white shark. The tiger shark, 0:07:49.160 --> 0:07:52.080 they said, probably swam up from the Gulf Stream, from 0:07:52.120 --> 0:07:56.360 southern waters. And you know you can buy those license 0:07:56.400 --> 0:08:01.480 plates online there. It's it's very cool. That wasn't bad, though, Dude, 0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:03.600 that wasn't bad. I'm a little I'm more. I'm more 0:08:03.600 --> 0:08:06.400 depressed about the Indianapolis than the license plate. That was 0:08:06.440 --> 0:08:09.360 a hard one. You gotta really be paying attention to 0:08:09.440 --> 0:08:12.200 know the license plate. Yeah, that was pretty good. Yeah. 0:08:12.760 --> 0:08:14.600 Can I get like a bonus question? I really wanted 0:08:14.600 --> 0:08:19.480 this streamer. I will tell you what. I will tie 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:22.800 you the streamer anyway, just for being a good sport 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:26.720 and playing along. Oh thanks, Joe, I appreciate that. That 0:08:26.320 --> 0:08:30.400 that was. That was pretty fun. Man. All I'm gonna 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:32.160 do is cut some yellow foam into the shape of 0:08:32.160 --> 0:08:34.240 a barrel and superglue it to a hook so it 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:36.480 will only take a hot minute. As long as articulated. 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:39.600 I don't care, you know. Actually that would be the ultimate. 0:08:39.840 --> 0:08:44.120 You tie a bunch of little barrels onto and articulate 0:08:44.160 --> 0:08:47.240 like the whole thing making the chain of barrels. Oh man, 0:08:47.280 --> 0:08:48.920 you're gonna get me in trouble because now people are 0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:50.480 gonna be like, you have to do that, and I'm 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:53.439 gonna have to spend time doing that. Anyway, that was fun. 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:58.760 Uh money munstache, there you go. Okay, it was if 0:08:58.760 --> 0:09:00.000 we give him a little bit for the first one, 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:02.720 but hell, look why not keep the fun and the 0:09:02.760 --> 0:09:06.079 trivia going. This all rolls beautifully into a trivia segment 0:09:06.120 --> 0:09:09.240 I recorded a while back. Um pre hating times. That's 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:12.479 okay with our good buddy and and Mako Angler extraordinary 0:09:12.559 --> 0:09:16.840 Conway Bowman and like Jaws, these questions Marry Shark fact 0:09:17.320 --> 0:09:22.080 with Hollywood Shark Fiction. Started from the bottom. Now we're here, 0:09:22.280 --> 0:09:26.480 started from the bottom. Now the whole team here, uh 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:29.880 joining me today for trivia. My old buddy Conway Bowman 0:09:30.000 --> 0:09:32.400 is back. What's going on? Man? How are you Joe? 0:09:32.480 --> 0:09:35.880 I'm doing well? Man, hanging in there. Excellent, excellent. So 0:09:36.160 --> 0:09:39.560 just to recap, you're a pioneer fly fishing from Mako sharks, 0:09:39.559 --> 0:09:41.800 guided all over the world, written all kinds of books, 0:09:41.800 --> 0:09:43.440 been in all kinds of TV shows, And the first 0:09:43.440 --> 0:09:45.640 time I had you on, we did covering Water, we 0:09:45.640 --> 0:09:47.800 did the rapid Fire thing, and really got to know 0:09:47.880 --> 0:09:50.079 who you were. We learned that you don't like large 0:09:50.080 --> 0:09:53.800 mouth bass, that you love body and point break and 0:09:53.960 --> 0:09:57.080 um are big. You took black Flag over social distortion, 0:09:57.120 --> 0:09:59.480 if I remember correctly, and I admired that. So we're 0:09:59.520 --> 0:10:03.240 gonna do We're gonna do regular trivia today. So this 0:10:03.320 --> 0:10:05.800 is multiple choice, right, not rapid fire. You can take 0:10:05.840 --> 0:10:09.040 all the time that you need, sort of bar room style. 0:10:09.760 --> 0:10:12.640 Um and uh, just so you know that there's there's 0:10:12.679 --> 0:10:15.440 there's nothing to You can lose some dignity, but you 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:18.080 win nothing. I have no prize for you if you 0:10:18.160 --> 0:10:21.480 if you ace both of these. But um, I think 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:24.360 I think, well, I really try to like tailor these 0:10:24.440 --> 0:10:26.920 questions to my guests, you know, like really drill down 0:10:26.960 --> 0:10:29.360 on on who you are. So hopefully I I did 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:32.760 a good job here. So are you ready to play trivia? All? Right? 0:10:33.040 --> 0:10:35.240 Here we go we'll do two questions today. Here comes 0:10:35.360 --> 0:10:38.320 number one. Short fin Mako sharks are one of the 0:10:38.320 --> 0:10:40.640 fastest sharks in the ocean. As you know, they can 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:43.560 also be very aggressive, which has led people to wonder 0:10:43.600 --> 0:10:47.120 how dangerous they are to humans. The International Shark Attack 0:10:47.200 --> 0:10:49.439 File or I s a F, is kept up to 0:10:49.520 --> 0:10:52.400 date by the Florida Museum. So the question is, between 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:56.640 the years of fifteen eighty and seventeen, how many unprovoked 0:10:57.200 --> 0:11:00.280 mako attacks on humans does I s a F have 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:02.840 on file? Keep in mind, we're not talking about Marty 0:11:02.880 --> 0:11:05.840 and already getting bit bringing one into the boat off Montauk. 0:11:06.160 --> 0:11:10.559 These are completely unprovoked attacks. Is it A three, B 0:11:11.120 --> 0:11:16.960 ten C one or D six three? Uh? The answer 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:21.080 is actually ten. Now I question the accuracy of those 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:23.440 distant records. They say this is accurate going back to 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:27.679 the late fifteen hundreds, But according to the I s 0:11:27.720 --> 0:11:31.400 a F ten people have had unprovoked attacks by makos 0:11:31.400 --> 0:11:34.120 and a whopping four and thirty seven years. So actually, 0:11:34.360 --> 0:11:36.439 like they're one of even though they're mean looking bastards, 0:11:36.480 --> 0:11:38.719 they're one of the least dangerous sharks to humans. Well 0:11:38.720 --> 0:11:43.400 that's really interesting, I think. Um. Uh. The because they 0:11:43.440 --> 0:11:46.319 inhabit deeper water. If you believe me, if I make 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:50.320 a shark inhabited shallower water, right, they would be right. 0:11:50.320 --> 0:11:52.720 They're they're just really not where people are as part 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:54.280 of the deal. They're an open water fish. To be 0:11:54.320 --> 0:11:56.600 honest with you, if I were on a sinking boat 0:11:56.920 --> 0:11:59.920 and I had a Great White on the starboard side, 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:02.040 and I had a Mako on the port side, and 0:12:02.080 --> 0:12:04.880 they were a people size, I would jump off the 0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:08.360 side of the Great White hands down, wow, just because 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:10.760 because that was a hot tip right there. If ever 0:12:10.880 --> 0:12:15.559 that sharks are so crazy, unpredictable, goofy, they are, like, 0:12:16.240 --> 0:12:19.719 they're right, they're scary. Okay, Well, speaking of having a 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:21.439 shark on the starboards side, we'll go on to our 0:12:21.480 --> 0:12:23.480 next question here we'll keep up with our shark theme. 0:12:23.520 --> 0:12:27.640 Ready for this one. In the classic rom com Joe 0:12:27.760 --> 0:12:30.480 versus the Volcano, Tom Hanks and Meg Ryan do a 0:12:30.480 --> 0:12:33.120 little trolling off the sailboat that's taking them to the 0:12:33.160 --> 0:12:35.240 island of Wa pony Wou, where you might recall the 0:12:35.280 --> 0:12:39.160 natives drank nothing but orange soda. Anyway, Hanks only catches 0:12:39.200 --> 0:12:41.880 one fish during that trolling session, and it's a shark, 0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:44.800 which kind of shark. Was it a a great white, 0:12:44.880 --> 0:12:47.320 be a tiger shark, see a black tip? D a 0:12:47.360 --> 0:12:52.160 hammer head? Hammer head? Did you get Is that a 0:12:52.200 --> 0:12:56.800 guest or do you know that that's correct? That's correct 0:12:57.400 --> 0:13:00.480 because that's so Hollywood because it looks cool. It's a well, 0:13:01.520 --> 0:13:03.719 I'm getting the impression you're not too faglary with Joe 0:13:03.800 --> 0:13:06.320 Versus the Volcano, where many people are not. Oh, that's 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:08.760 a shame. It's not really because it's a shitty movie. 0:13:08.800 --> 0:13:10.439 But I think it's a shame because I was gonna say, 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:12.520 bonus question, what does the hammer head shark do when 0:13:12.559 --> 0:13:15.080 Hanks hooks it? You wouldn't know that, but it bends 0:13:15.120 --> 0:13:18.760 its eyes inward to look right at him and it roars, 0:13:19.160 --> 0:13:23.360 which is very very Hollywood. Um anyway, dude, um No. 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:25.920 So that's your your one for two, your one for two. 0:13:26.120 --> 0:13:28.680 You just got lucky on Joe Versus Volcano. Your homework 0:13:28.720 --> 0:13:30.640 next time we talk is you have to see that 0:13:30.720 --> 0:13:32.679 movie and watch all the bonus features if there are 0:13:32.679 --> 0:13:34.760 any on the Blue Red tonight. I'll be watching with 0:13:34.800 --> 0:13:44.000 the kids. Are you gonna tell me that I have 0:13:44.040 --> 0:13:48.199 to watch Joe Versus the Volcano? No? I mean I 0:13:48.240 --> 0:13:50.720 mean you should, right, it's no turner and hooch, but 0:13:50.760 --> 0:13:54.200 I do highly recommend it. But no, no, no, no. 0:13:54.200 --> 0:13:56.840 Knowing knowing Joe versus the volcano inside and out is 0:13:56.880 --> 0:13:59.320 not a requirement to be my friend. So it's okay, 0:13:59.800 --> 0:14:02.800 you don't have to you don't have the I don't 0:14:02.840 --> 0:14:06.040 want to be your friend, man, I don't want to 0:14:06.040 --> 0:14:08.079 be your friend, at least not for the next twenty 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:11.120 five minutes while I'm kicking your ass in that weekly 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:18.800 competition we like to call fish news. Fish news. That 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:23.120 escalated quickly. So before we get all news, e guess 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:26.120 what we are happy to inform you, in case you 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:28.800 haven't figured it out already, that there is now a 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:35.080 line of new Bent merchandise in the Meat Eaters store. Yes, sir, 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:39.360 we've We've been getting asked about that since about a 0:14:39.360 --> 0:14:43.320 week after this podcast first launch, but anyway, it's finally here. 0:14:43.640 --> 0:14:45.840 So what have we got. We've got the Degenerate Angler 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:49.200 hoodie with the Bent logo over the back shoulder, which 0:14:49.200 --> 0:14:52.040 I find that to be like very Boston hardcore. I 0:14:52.080 --> 0:14:55.120 love the placement of the logo on the back shoulder. 0:14:55.160 --> 0:14:58.120 We've got Degenerate Angler T shirts and we also have 0:14:58.200 --> 0:15:01.560 a fresh design courtesy of um noted fish tattoo artist 0:15:01.680 --> 0:15:05.720 Drew Wilson. I'm pretty pumped about. Yeah, it really captures 0:15:06.160 --> 0:15:07.880 what Ben is all about. I'd say, you know, it's 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:10.920 a small amountain in its mouth. It's a broken off 0:15:10.960 --> 0:15:15.360 streamer and a popper and and alive helgramite. Yeah. Yeah, 0:15:15.360 --> 0:15:17.920 because like we were kind of like, we don't give 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:19.880 a ship. How you fish, That's what we're all about here, 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:22.840 Like all are welcome, uh, peace, love and harmony. If 0:15:22.840 --> 0:15:25.680 you throw flies, poppers and live it on the same day, 0:15:25.920 --> 0:15:28.240 that's totally cool with us. So that designed from Jews 0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:30.760 sort of sort of captures the Ben ethos. I would say, 0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:34.440 I I agree, and uh a Joe before we move 0:15:34.480 --> 0:15:38.000 on here, man, Um yeah, yeah, we gotta kind of 0:15:38.000 --> 0:15:41.400 address something. This is sort of serious um at Ben here, 0:15:41.480 --> 0:15:45.400 Like we like to joke around, and I've realized recently 0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:50.840 that we've crossed the line with something that we've said. Um, 0:15:50.880 --> 0:15:53.080 you're making me extremely nervous because I could think of 0:15:53.120 --> 0:15:58.920 like ten things in the last three episode we at 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:03.400 Ben uh continuously joke about how unfun wally or to 0:16:03.440 --> 0:16:05.400 catch And I gotta say, Joe, I was totally don't 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:11.640 apologize that they don't fight. That's the big apology. I 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:17.240 stand by Seth and Chester in particular because Man, I 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:18.800 was out on the ice the other day and Joe, 0:16:19.000 --> 0:16:23.320 I caught my first walleye ever through the ice. Congratulations 0:16:23.480 --> 0:16:27.200 and you'll never forget it. Your arms still hurt, honestly, Man, 0:16:27.360 --> 0:16:29.880 you know, I was kind of delighted. Man, you know 0:16:30.240 --> 0:16:36.200 we so first off, it's ridiculous first off, And I mean, 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:38.560 I know that may surprise people that I've never caught 0:16:38.640 --> 0:16:43.280 a walleye. Um. I think that there are a lot 0:16:43.360 --> 0:16:46.720 of fish that, you know, people would expect folks to catch, 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:49.520 and like you're just like kind of like a I 0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:51.800 don't know, a species that just kind of evades them 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:54.000 for like one reason or another. Maybe it was like 0:16:54.040 --> 0:16:56.760 a lack of interest in going out for maybe it 0:16:56.840 --> 0:16:59.200 was something you've tried a couple of the more interesting 0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:03.680 fish swimming in shot. What's what's a fish? Joe? Actually, 0:17:03.680 --> 0:17:06.920 this would be a good question for our listeners. What 0:17:07.080 --> 0:17:10.880 is a fish that it seems like everybody but you 0:17:11.520 --> 0:17:14.560 has caught, well, like like like a fish that you 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:17.160 would be expected to catch, but for whatever reason have not, 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:21.240 Like maybe like a catfish like a flathead or something 0:17:21.280 --> 0:17:24.679 like that. Maybe, uh, maybe somebody would expect you to 0:17:24.720 --> 0:17:26.679 have caught I don't know, pike or something. Do you 0:17:26.720 --> 0:17:30.400 have one of those, um man, the one that comes 0:17:30.400 --> 0:17:32.920 to mind. People are always surprised that I've never caught 0:17:32.920 --> 0:17:37.119 a bourbon. I um, I recently saw my first bourbon 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:41.040 being caught, uh two days ago with my buddy Sam 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:45.399 longren Um. You know I called bourbon. No, I've just 0:17:45.440 --> 0:17:49.000 never been on the ice where they are northern Michigan. 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:51.399 I've had some invites. I've had some invites. I just 0:17:51.440 --> 0:17:54.719 haven't gotten there. But don't let's enough about me. I 0:17:54.760 --> 0:17:57.320 want I want to hear more quickly about why this 0:17:57.400 --> 0:18:00.920 walleye was so memorable and why you're apologize, Because every 0:18:00.920 --> 0:18:02.960 time I've caught a walleye through the ice, even a 0:18:02.960 --> 0:18:06.400 big one, right, you were you using a flasher? Yes, 0:18:06.440 --> 0:18:09.280 I was, okay, So that's exciting. You see him on 0:18:09.320 --> 0:18:11.320 the flash, You're like, oh, well there he is, boom, 0:18:11.359 --> 0:18:13.120 got him And before you can even say got him, 0:18:13.160 --> 0:18:15.440 his head is coming up through the ice. Every time 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:19.080 I did it, well, it's like that's done. Yeah. I 0:18:19.080 --> 0:18:23.000 mean to me, as a lot of things and fishing 0:18:23.000 --> 0:18:27.399 tend to be. This was the more of a realization 0:18:27.440 --> 0:18:29.800 of a long time goal. When I first got into 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:32.560 ice fishing, like as a kid, it was on a 0:18:32.640 --> 0:18:35.320 lake called Lake wall and Pop back in Pennsylvania, and 0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:37.680 I remember when we were going to visit this lake, 0:18:38.240 --> 0:18:40.159 my dad told me that there were a wallly in 0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:43.479 this lake. And up until then, I had primarily fished 0:18:43.520 --> 0:18:47.040 for where like you know, trout and bass and like 0:18:47.160 --> 0:18:50.040 sunfish and just ship like that, because that's what was 0:18:50.080 --> 0:18:52.560 accessible in most of the bodies of water that we 0:18:52.640 --> 0:18:56.560 had gone to. Up until this point in time. I 0:18:56.600 --> 0:19:00.720 had never like gone to like a species sort of destination, 0:19:01.000 --> 0:19:02.800 you know what I mean. Like I'd never like gone 0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:04.840 somewhere with like the promise of, oh, by the way, 0:19:04.880 --> 0:19:07.680 there's something that you don't normally come in contact with 0:19:08.119 --> 0:19:12.320 swimming around on the bottom. So we got into ice 0:19:12.400 --> 0:19:16.639 fishing that year, and the first goal that I ever 0:19:16.680 --> 0:19:18.320 had ice fishing was like, I'm gonna set all these 0:19:18.359 --> 0:19:19.800 tip ups and I'm gonna catch a wall that was 0:19:19.840 --> 0:19:22.959 like eleven ten years old, and uh, you know, I 0:19:23.000 --> 0:19:27.400 just never did it, and I ended up not ice 0:19:27.440 --> 0:19:29.919 fishing very much more because it doesn't seem like we 0:19:29.960 --> 0:19:32.840 get that much ice in Pennsylvania, you know, as of 0:19:32.920 --> 0:19:37.560 late anyhow, And um so pulling a wal live through 0:19:37.600 --> 0:19:40.240 the ice was like ten year old me was real 0:19:40.320 --> 0:19:43.320 excited about it. And you catch this one on a 0:19:43.320 --> 0:19:47.280 tip up jagged and I jagged it with a thirteen 0:19:47.400 --> 0:19:52.120 flashbang no less. Oh nice. Nice. We got a bunch 0:19:52.160 --> 0:19:55.520 of pictures of it. Um yeah, man, Because I'm no 0:19:55.640 --> 0:19:58.280 Wally Ice expert, but all the Wally Ice guys that 0:19:58.320 --> 0:20:00.920 I've hung out with, they're like, tip ups isn't the 0:20:00.960 --> 0:20:03.440 way to go for wall No, Like you gotta tease them, 0:20:03.440 --> 0:20:05.400 you gotta make them, you gotta make them want it, 0:20:05.640 --> 0:20:07.280 you know what I mean. Yeah, And another like kind 0:20:07.280 --> 0:20:10.200 of like unique challenge out here is that we can't 0:20:10.280 --> 0:20:12.880 use live bait in the form of shiners or anything 0:20:12.920 --> 0:20:16.040 like that. So basically all your tip ups are dead sticks. 0:20:16.080 --> 0:20:18.480 I mean, we do like nightcrawlers for trout, which like 0:20:18.560 --> 0:20:20.280 move around a little bit, but it's not like the 0:20:20.320 --> 0:20:24.440 same as you're having a shiner on there. But anyhow, Yeah, 0:20:24.560 --> 0:20:28.280 I really issue that apologies more of a way to 0:20:28.880 --> 0:20:31.399 kind of segue into talking about my first walleye And 0:20:31.520 --> 0:20:35.520 that was pretty great experience and I think my attitude 0:20:35.640 --> 0:20:37.480 is going to change on them. I kind of do 0:20:37.600 --> 0:20:40.359 see the appeal of the walleye, particularly when you eat them. Dude, 0:20:40.720 --> 0:20:43.440 Holy crap, that is a good inating fish. Anybody who's 0:20:43.440 --> 0:20:45.080 a walle eye through the ice or like the best 0:20:45.160 --> 0:20:48.480 eating fish man, I think you're probably right. Anyhow, any 0:20:48.520 --> 0:20:50.560 any fresh water fish for the ice is better eating. 0:20:50.560 --> 0:20:53.080 I'll give you that much cold water baby, that's where 0:20:53.119 --> 0:20:55.679 it's at. So cool. So you're a walleye guy, now 0:20:56.000 --> 0:20:58.320 you could you could just transcribe everything you just said 0:20:58.320 --> 0:21:00.359 for the fore whatever your book walleye and me by 0:21:00.359 --> 0:21:04.000 hating samac when that comes out a memoir. Anyway, you've 0:21:04.040 --> 0:21:06.720 gone on way long enough here. Um, you know, so 0:21:06.760 --> 0:21:09.320 you're you're patting yourself against those walleyes. Now we're peating 0:21:09.320 --> 0:21:12.240 ourselves against each other. Let's not forget this is a competition. 0:21:12.280 --> 0:21:14.639 At the end of this Dog and Pony Show, and 0:21:14.880 --> 0:21:19.320 while I extravaganza, our mentor colleague and Audio Addonna's Phil 0:21:19.400 --> 0:21:23.119 Taylor will declare a winner and uh you, sir, have 0:21:23.200 --> 0:21:28.160 the floor to lead off this week with news. Okay, dook, 0:21:28.920 --> 0:21:33.280 So this morning we're gonna talk a little bit about 0:21:33.400 --> 0:21:36.240 hatchery steelhead because I'm sick of talking about how bad 0:21:36.280 --> 0:21:40.320 it is for wild steelhead in the Pacific Northwest. Oh okay, 0:21:40.800 --> 0:21:42.239 of course we are going to talk a little bit 0:21:42.240 --> 0:21:46.200 about that too, of course you are. So this is 0:21:46.200 --> 0:21:47.960 gonna be a little bit of a non traditional fish 0:21:48.000 --> 0:21:50.280 news story, as I'm going to kind of touch on 0:21:50.400 --> 0:21:53.600 a couple of different stories to paint a bigger picture. 0:21:54.000 --> 0:21:57.119 The overarching theme of this story comes from the news 0:21:57.200 --> 0:22:00.960 motion who reported on researchers explore new ways to make 0:22:00.960 --> 0:22:04.879 hatchery steelhead more like wild fish. Now, we all know 0:22:04.960 --> 0:22:09.240 that hatchery steelhead, uh, they don't spawn even kind of 0:22:09.400 --> 0:22:12.840 as well as wild steel head. Spawning ability, or the 0:22:12.880 --> 0:22:16.479