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Speaker 1: the numbers of fish that behave as if they were

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Speaker 1: wild and hopefully increase the population to self sustaining numbers.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about the I'm gonna wait for the

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Speaker 1: end here. I want to hear the conclusion. But I

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Speaker 1: mean what you just said, Like, you know, there's a

427
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Speaker 1: lot of people listening in the Pacific Northwest who are

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Speaker 1: totally disagreeing with Oh yeah, I mean, I mean sure,

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Speaker 1: and real quick like to touch on that I understand,

430
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Speaker 1: and like, yeah, I am. I'm of the mind that

431
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Speaker 1: habitat restoration and like aggressive environmental policy is probably the

432
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Speaker 1: way to go in order to maintain these wild steel headstocks.

433
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Speaker 1: And you can look at other examples in wildlife management,

434
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Speaker 1: like for instance, um, you know, one of our great

435
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Speaker 1: success stories in American conservation, right is the reintroduction of

436
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Speaker 1: the wild turkey. And when they first tried to reintroduce

437
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:22,199
Speaker 1: the wild turkey, uh, they would raise these pulse you know,

438
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:25,359
Speaker 1: in captivity and then they would release them. And you

439
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 1: know what would essentially had there was a put in

440
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Speaker 1: take program, because those wild turkeys wouldn't really develop, you know,

441
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Speaker 1: populations that could sustain themselves, Like they weren't reproducing in

442
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Speaker 1: meaningful ways and it's just kind of a waste of

443
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Speaker 1: time and money. Then what they did was they recaptured

444
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Speaker 1: a lot of wild wild turkeys in like strongholds like

445
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 1: I think in Alabama, like places like that, and then

446
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 1: they repopulated their native range with these captured birds. A

447
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 1: couple decades later, you know, we got wild turkeys everywhere.

448
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Speaker 1: So I don't think that like stocking basically stocking a

449
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:07,879
Speaker 1: bunch of steelhead is the answer. But then I also

450
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Speaker 1: don't think that, you know, raising I'm not sure it's

451
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Speaker 1: entirely analogous, Like just because it didn't work in that

452
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Speaker 1: instance doesn't mean it won't work in this instance. And

453
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Speaker 1: you also got to think about the purity of the

454
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Speaker 1: stocks and the specific strains, and you know, I, I

455
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Speaker 1: don't know, man, I I think it's like a discussion

456
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Speaker 1: to be had. I'm not maybe not the one to

457
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Speaker 1: have a discussion about that. If you know a fisheries

458
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Speaker 1: biologists in the Pacific Northwest, I talked to him or her.

459
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,359
Speaker 1: So anyway, all that aside, we're going to try and

460
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Speaker 1: talk about a an instance where these programs aimed at

461
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Speaker 1: giving hatchery steelhead wild qualities is like kind of being

462
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 1: implemented and and we're so because of that, we're going

463
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 1: to talk about the American River in northern coast essentially. Right,

464
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Speaker 1: it's like, for lack of a better way to put it,

465
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Speaker 1: they're trying to make better the hatchery fish. Yeah, yeah,

466
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 1: that's a good way to put it, right, Okay, So,

467
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 1: per the stocking record, the California Department of Fish and

468
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 1: Wildlife have already observed over nine hundred fish a mix

469
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Speaker 1: of wild hatchery bread and juvenile fish entering the hatchery,

470
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Speaker 1: which is up from just like three hundred fish counted

471
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Speaker 1: at the same time last year. Now they're siting, Yeah,

472
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 1: they're siting higher than average flows as one of the

473
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Speaker 1: main reasons these fish are having a good year. So

474
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Speaker 1: earlier we talked about fitness and fecundity. Again we see

475
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 1: reduced fecundity of these hatchery fish because they don't have

476
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Speaker 1: the same fitness as wild steelhead. Basically, hatchery fish going

477
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Speaker 1: to the ocean get their asses kicked. This returning population

478
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Speaker 1: of steelhead is a good thing and the reason that

479
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Speaker 1: it's a good thing is that the American River Fish

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Speaker 1: Hatchery seems to be experimenting with ways to reduce negative

481
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Speaker 1: consequences associated with hatchery fish and it I guess it

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Speaker 1: appears to be working. Um. According to the c d

483
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Speaker 1: f W it's California Department Fish and Wildlife Fisheries, biologists

484
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Speaker 1: at the American River Fish Hatchery are hoping to perpetuate

485
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Speaker 1: a specific strain of steelhead, and that's the Eel River steelhead,

486
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Speaker 1: which is it's a it's a larger strain, right, Whereas

487
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:17,399
Speaker 1: a lot of these wild fish get up to like,

488
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 1: you know, eight ten pounds. These ones kind of tend

489
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,360
Speaker 1: to top out at fifteen, sixteen, seventeen pounds so they

490
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: can fight off the giant squids and stuff when they're out. Yeah, yeah, exactly,

491
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 1: they were larger and therefore presumably tougher. The American River

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Speaker 1: Fish Hatchery is doing this by selecting fish exclusively of

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Speaker 1: the Eel River strain. Like when they return, they okay,

494
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 1: that's a Neel River strain, that's anil River strain, and

495
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 1: they're only spawning returning hatchery origin fish, right, so they're

496
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,120
Speaker 1: kind of going, Okay, this one went out of the ocean,

497
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 1: it came back big and strong. That's probably a good one.

498
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: So they're like, you know, working on selection there. Um.

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Speaker 1: So it's an example of ways that we're trying to

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Speaker 1: use the hatcheries system, or fisheries bologists are trying to

501
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: use the hatchery system and put a hand in selecting

502
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Speaker 1: these fish that are gonna have higher levels of fitness

503
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: and higher levels of fecundity and hopefully, because of that,

504
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 1: make a a stronger strain of fish that could one

505
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Speaker 1: day have self sustaining stocks. So, I mean, is this

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Speaker 1: good news for steelhead on the level of a complete

507
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: return of a wild run. No, But is it a

508
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Speaker 1: step in the right direction for hatchery fish looking to

509
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Speaker 1: create a sustainable population of Steele's Like maybe? Um. Either way,

510
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: it's a big year for steelhead in the American River.

511
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: And no matter how you look at it, that's a

512
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 1: good thing for anglers. It's it's very interesting and I

513
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: appreciate what they're doing. And I feel like, no matter

514
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 1: how you slice it, you're gonna get a different answer

515
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 1: from anglers out there. This is good or this is bad.

516
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 1: And you know what, I I fully understand it. I'm

517
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 1: not well versed in West coast steel but I will

518
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: say and I think most anglers would agree. Wild fish

519
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 1: are it's cooler, They're sexier. That's always what we want

520
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: to catch. You love great legs, steel, I love great

521
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 1: lakes steel. Are they fun? Hell? Yeah? But like is

522
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: that as cool as catching a wild No? It's not so, man,

523
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 1: It's kind of like, is this is this really? Maybe?

524
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: Sort of the the best thing we can hope for

525
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 1: is building a better hatchery fish based on fish that

526
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Speaker 1: are going to the ocean. Maybe. But then if I

527
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: look at it, like if my beloved striped bass all

528
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Speaker 1: went away, all those wild runs up to Delaware, I mean,

529
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: everything we have here. If it was just like down

530
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Speaker 1: to nothing and somebody was like, m, we can create

531
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Speaker 1: hatchery fish, and and maybe it's hard to say like it.

532
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 1: I would say, yes, it's better than nothing, but it

533
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: would never it would still never be the same. You're

534
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 1: still not fixing like the big problem. But that doesn't

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00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 1: mean it's not cool science. Like I said, I appreciate

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00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 1: what they're doing. Um, there comes a point with like

537
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: any sort of wildlife management, right where you have to

538
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: look at what you have and what you can reasonably

539
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 1: expect to regain. Right In a lot of cases, you're saying, okay,

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00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 1: I would rather have wildfish, and I think everybody would

541
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 1: agree with you. There is not a single fisheries a

542
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 1: boulogist that would be like, no, we'd rather have hatchery fish,

543
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: of course, of course. But the question I would pose

544
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Speaker 1: to them is this, if you could have a strain

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Speaker 1: of wild steel head, because you know, like the Eel

546
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Speaker 1: River steel head, that's where a lot of these like

547
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: stocks are coming from. If you could have that strain

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Speaker 1: of steel head preserved in such a way that like

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00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 1: they continued to exist, even if the genesis of that

550
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 1: was an artificial hatchery condition. If you don't have nothing anyway,

551
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: why not have that? I completely agree, and I think

552
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying, like, like, it would be foolish

553
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 1: to be like stop this madness were wildfish like you, like,

554
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: these people are doing some cool stuff, and it is

555
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: there is a preservation tactic there. And again we're not

556
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 1: talking about like putting it in uh you know, we're

557
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: talking about the American River here, and if you don't know,

558
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: like the American River, it's like it's in Sacramento, you

559
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: know what I mean. We're not we're not talking about

560
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: doing it like the you know, the babbying. But it

561
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 1: could be a model for that if it ever got

562
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 1: to that that. I think, as with so many tools

563
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 1: in conservation, I think it can be tailored to like

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00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: the fishery in which the biologists are discussing, like, is

565
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: the model for the American River going to be the

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00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 1: same model that like you know they take to the Frasier. No,

567
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 1: of course it's not gonna be the same model. Well yeah,

568
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 1: I will say, like I know, we've got some steelheaders

569
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: listening right in. Let us know what you think I would.

570
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 1: I'd be happy to read some of those responses known

571
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Speaker 1: to show down the road. Please enter your pass word.

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00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: You have one unheard message hidden. Where are you? What

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Speaker 1: we were supposed to be at? My parents? Has an

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Speaker 1: hour on my way with the dog. You're out fishing.

575
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: We need to have a conversation when you get home,

576
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: because this is getting absolutely ridiculous. Community. At this end

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Speaker 1: of the message, delete press seven save deleted. So I'll

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00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 1: move it over here. From fish, we're trying to get

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Speaker 1: more of two fish. We are completely trying to get

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Speaker 1: rid of about that. Uh and and I will I

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00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: gotta say I was tempted to grab a story for

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Speaker 1: for this week with the following headline. Hamas claims it

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00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: has captured and Israeli spied dolf and equipped with weapons

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00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: and capable of assassinating its fighters off of Gaza. Because

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00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: the image of the dolphin with the spear gun on

586
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: its head is just straight Austin powers. You know, I

587
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: have one simple request, and that is to have sharks

588
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: with freaking later beans attached to their heads. But while

589
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: I was intriguing, it was just too far off the mark,

590
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: Like it was just too far off mark. Plus so

591
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: many of you sent along the catfish story out of Texas.

592
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: I felt covering it was the right thing to do.

593
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: So let's go to Texas and learn about um an

594
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: invasive species that's a real pain in the ask and

595
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 1: offers zero benefit to anglers, absolutely none. So we are

596
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: talking about the sucker mouth armored catfish, otherwise known as

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00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: plecos in the aquarium trade. And according to the story

598
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Speaker 1: on Yahoo Knews, a team of researchers from Texas, A

599
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: and M in Texas State recently pulled four six sucker

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Speaker 1: mouth armored catfish from the San Marcos River quote during

601
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: a dewatering event at a public park. So scientists are

602
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: hoping that studying some of the fish collected will help

603
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 1: them figure out how best to control them um. The

604
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 1: story says, originating from the waters of South America, the

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00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 1: sucker mouth is an aquarium fish that was released into

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Speaker 1: the wild and has grown out of control of the

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00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: Texas Parks and Wildlife Department said. The armored catfish is

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Speaker 1: a long way from home swimming around Texas waterways, but

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00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: it has thrived anyway to the detriment of the state's

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00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:09,320
Speaker 1: natural ecology. Um So now these fish might be commonly

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Speaker 1: labeled as Pleco's at the pet Smart. I don't know

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00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 1: if you had these as a kid. I always called

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00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: them algae eaters. Yeah. I had these as a kid.

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00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: And um, if you remember a couple of months ago,

615
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: I told a story about the fish tank that burned

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00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: your house down almost the fish tank that almost you know,

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00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: killed my entire family, and uh, there were plecas swing

618
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 1: around that thing. Yeah, those are always my favorite ones.

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Speaker 1: Oh see really, because I was gonna say, like if

620
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 1: a lot of people had these when they were a kid,

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00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: and the appeal was they were supposed to eat all

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00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 1: the green and brown algae in your tanks, which was

623
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 1: great because cleaning fish tank sucks and when you're a kid,

624
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,359
Speaker 1: a lot of times your tank just goes to complete hell.

625
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: It's just like, you know, disgusting. But I was gonna say,

626
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 1: other than that, like they were I thought they were

627
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 1: the most useless, ugly, boring addition to any tank. They

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Speaker 1: don't they don't do anything, man, I see. The appeal

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Speaker 1: to me was like they kind of look like sharky. Yeah,

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00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: I mean, but I don't know. I thought they were

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00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: just like an eyesore, like just sucked onto the glass

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00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,399
Speaker 1: somewhere like they would move overnight once and not again

633
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:13,919
Speaker 1: all day. But that's neither here nor that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

634
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: Did you ever try and catch any of the fish

635
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: in your fish tank when you're a kid? No? I

636
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 1: never did, And I even had later in life some

637
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: game fish in the tank. I love feeding them, but no,

638
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 1: I never caught them. My brother and I did try

639
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 1: and catch that plico once or twice. Yeah, but it

640
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 1: was but it was hard, Which is kind of going

641
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:33,399
Speaker 1: to tie into the rest of this story, because the

642
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 1: thing is, they are apparently indestructible. So according to the piece,

643
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 1: and doesn't this sound familiar snakehead lovers, they can breathe

644
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: out of water for quote at least twenty hours and

645
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 1: walk on land. How they would calculate this at roughly

646
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:50,359
Speaker 1: two point three miles per hour one of them, Yeah,

647
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 1: that's what that's that's what okay? For how long? Like

648
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: if it can move apparently up to twenty hours, If

649
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,280
Speaker 1: it can breathe out of water for at least twenty

650
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 1: hours and walk two point three I would I have

651
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: friends that cannot maintain a two point three base. They

652
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: can get from Center City to the Philly Airport in

653
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: thirteen point nine minutes. I don't know, um anyway, One

654
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: of the most common ways they get moved is by birds,

655
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 1: because plecos are really easy targets, but they are so

656
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: sharp and hard and spiky that a bird usually drops

657
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: them pretty quickly, and assuming they survived the fall, depending

658
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 1: on how high up they are um quote, the fish

659
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: could potentially walk for hours until it finds a body

660
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 1: of water that's horrifying. That sucks. They can't swim for

661
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: more than ten minutes straight, so how they can walk

662
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: for hours? I don't understand. They're a lazy as fish. Um. Now.

663
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,959
Speaker 1: While these fish are primarily eating algae and plant matter,

664
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: they do compete with some native species for food. But

665
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: the story says they've also taken over in parts of Florida,

666
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 1: and they're so many in some places they'll actually swarm

667
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,879
Speaker 1: manatees to eat the algae off their skin. And there

668
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 1: can be so many plecos on on the manateee that

669
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 1: it gets severely stressed out like mad manatees stress. So

670
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: that's clearly an issue. If you're in the manatees story,

671
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,320
Speaker 1: to tell you when we're off the air in a minute, Okay,

672
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 1: fair enough, I do too, kind of now, everybody's gonna

673
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 1: be curious. Yeah, mine ends with a cracked transom on

674
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 1: a flat skiff anyway. Um So, a bigger issue with

675
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: the catfish than what they eat is actually how they

676
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: like to burrow in soft banks, and the people in

677
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: Texas are worried that's gonna ramp up bank erosion and

678
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:46,839
Speaker 1: like destabilized river banks and things more quickly. Uh So,

679
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 1: you know invasives never good, right of course, but this

680
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 1: one has absolutely no silver lining. And I'm not surprised

681
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: this happened because those fish, I don't know about yours,

682
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 1: but they eventually get big in your tank and they

683
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: live forever. So whether it outgrows the tank, you just

684
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:04,399
Speaker 1: decide to like go to college, and you don't want

685
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 1: your tank anymore, like pet stores don't want those things back. Right,

686
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: you can't flush it because it would be like flushing

687
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: a metal porkupin Right, you can run it over with

688
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 1: a truck and it'll be fine. Um, but in the wild,

689
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,760
Speaker 1: it's not good for bait. It's nothing you can target.

690
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 1: It's just pretty worthless. So my opinion banned them, like, honestly,

691
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: if they're that much of a problem, we've banned so

692
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:29,320
Speaker 1: many other aquarium fish that were much prettier and more interesting,

693
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like hashtags stop the pleco

694
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 1: Uh they're stupid fish anyway, So you know, it really

695
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,760
Speaker 1: is like an interesting thing. Um, it's weird to think

696
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 1: that when you're talking about buying like mamillion creatures or

697
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: like like like a like a servile cat or something

698
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: like that spider monkey. Yeah, there's so much red tape

699
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:57,320
Speaker 1: and like, right of those things finding each other in

700
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 1: the wild, even if you were to release them is

701
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: not particularly high up there. Yet you can buy like

702
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 1: all sorts of like invasive fish, and you can buy

703
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 1: breathing populations basically of invasive fish. Yep, there could easily

704
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: find their way into a waterway, and like that's like

705
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,959
Speaker 1: still totally okay because it's fish, dude, it's underwater. Only

706
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,839
Speaker 1: certain people care. People in the neighborhood will be worried

707
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: about a couple of loose spider monkeys. They don't give

708
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 1: a ship that there's armored catfish in the pond out there.

709
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: That's just that's just the reality. That's just the reality. Anyway. Um, Yeah,

710
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 1: there you go. Everybody who wrote in thank you for

711
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:37,359
Speaker 1: that one armored catfish. Done and done, Let's go to Phil.

712
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 1: What does he want swimming in his river? Hatchery steelhead

713
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,320
Speaker 1: or plecos And after we hear from Phil, we're actually

714
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 1: gonna hit end of the line. And this segment is

715
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 1: kind of the antithesis of an article I published this

716
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: week on the Meat Eater site for misconceptions about mousing

717
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 1: for trout. About that, so give that a read. And

718
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 1: if you decide mousing for trout sounds like too much work,

719
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: forget that article and pay even closer attention and to

720
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 1: the forthcoming end of the line segment. Hey, Hayden, you're

721
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:12,280
Speaker 1: the winner this week. I just can't help but feel

722
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 1: bad for these hatchery steelhead. I mean, that would be

723
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: kind of like if a human were to spend most

724
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 1: of their formative years playing trombone and video games, and

725
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 1: then eventually down the road, maybe they got a job

726
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 1: in an office full of self sustaining hunters and outdoors people.

727
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 1: I mean, can you imagine what that would do to my,

728
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 1: I mean, this person's self esteem. M hm, well that's

729
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 1: not loud enough, Burt. If you listen to my last

730
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 1: end of the line on Swiss wings, you know I

731
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 1: have a soft spot for fishing related nostalgia, So it

732
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 1: should come as no surprise that we're going to walk

733
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,879
Speaker 1: down those familiar back roads again now with a bait.

734
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: I believe every angler has had an experience with at

735
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 1: one point or another. I think everyone knows the smell

736
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 1: that musty, sweet, funky odor emanating from pretty much every

737
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: tackle box you know. It just smells like fishing. I

738
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 1: also think that everyone who has used this particular item

739
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 1: has had the shared experience where after a day on

740
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,359
Speaker 1: the water, you walk in and a loved one gives

741
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 1: you a kind of amused look, then gets closer and

742
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 1: says you have glitter on your face. Of course, I'm

743
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 1: talking about power Bait. Now. Power Bait is actually the

744
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:37,240
Speaker 1: brand name for a bunch of Berkeley Soft plastic creations,

745
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: but the forum I'm talking about is known as power

746
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 1: Bait Dough. Before we get into power Bait, let's clarify something.

747
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: Berkeley has been around for a while. The company was

748
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:51,240
Speaker 1: founded in seven by a young man named Berkeley Biddell,

749
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: selling flies in Spirit Lake, Iowa. Let's fast forward it's

750
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 1: the mid eighties and Berkeley has since been taken over

751
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 1: by Berkeley Baddell's son, Tom, looking out for the next

752
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 1: big thing. Tombadel becomes focused on attractings and unless the

753
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: help of Dr Hermann Clear Cooper, a fisheries biologist from

754
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 1: Texas A and M who invents Strike. Berkeley's first scent product, Strike, however,

755
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: had a major flaw. It was a topical scent product

756
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 1: and washed off baits easily. But Dell knew he needed

757
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:27,240
Speaker 1: to develop a longer lasting attracting and puts chemist John

758
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: proc Now and fisheries biologist Dr. Keith Jones up to

759
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 1: the task. Through meticulous research, over the span of three years,

760
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 1: proc Now and Jones began to develop what become power

761
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: bait by reverse engineering natural prey, breaking that prey down

762
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 1: into basic molecular components and amino acids. To test the

763
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 1: palatability of these individual elements, they soak cotton balls in

764
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 1: their formulas and fed them to fish in their lab.

765
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: They soon discovered that no single element was having the

766
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: effect that they wanted, so they began testing combinations of

767
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 1: natural and synthetic compounds. These combinations proved to be more effective,

768
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 1: and they eventually landed on an attractive formula we know

769
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 1: today as power bait. Power bait comes in many forms,

770
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 1: notably it's integrated into Berkeley Soft Plastics. But the form

771
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 1: I'm most familiar with is the power bait dough. As

772
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 1: any stocker fisherman knows, those pellet has just can't seem

773
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 1: to resist that sent and fused plato floating, tantalizing lee

774
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 1: just off the bottom. I still remember fishing Salt and

775
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: Creek with my grandpa and him carefully showing me how

776
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: to need little corn kernel size balls of this stuff,

777
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 1: then how to carefully mold it around my hook. An

778
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: interesting note about Berkeley power Bait dough. Many folks seem

779
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 1: to think it's toxic, and that's not the case. The

780
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 1: dough itself is made of a heat treated mixture of

781
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 1: PVC powder and oil resin and is completely digestible, although

782
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 1: it is very obviously not for human consumption, so please

783
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 1: leave leading to the fish. If you've got something on

784
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 1: the end of your line that you think belongs on

785
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,320
Speaker 1: the end of our line, feel free to write into

786
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: Bent at the meat eater dot com with your suggestions,

787
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:06,919
Speaker 1: and if you got a good story about power bait,

788
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: send that into you know what man. I vividly remember

789
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 1: the very first time I ever used power bait for trout.

790
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,800
Speaker 1: Like I remember hanging out at my grandparents house the

791
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:20,800
Speaker 1: night before opening day of the trout season in Jersey,

792
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: and my grandfather, Um, he'd just gotten back from the

793
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 1: bait shop, and you know, he picked up our nightcrawlers

794
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 1: and mealies and salmon eggs and he busted out this

795
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,399
Speaker 1: jar of power bait and said something like, you know, here,

796
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: here's some here's some new ship. That guy was saying,

797
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 1: we'll catch more trout than anything, like super skeptical. Like

798
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 1: it was almost like an ad on sale, like the

799
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: guy got him here. Sorry, you should try this, you

800
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 1: know how it works. You know, I honestly don't recall

801
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:49,720
Speaker 1: if that O G bottle of orange PB caught trout

802
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 1: or not an opening day, but it must have, because

803
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 1: like my grandfather was never without it again, you know

804
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like from there on out he had

805
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 1: power bait, and I even think he kind of phased

806
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: out salmon eggs in favor of it. So I definitely

807
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: called fish. I just don't remember if it did the

808
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 1: first time out, you know. Yeah. Yeah. The thing that

809
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 1: you know, I I mentioned this and the thing but

810
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 1: the thing that I think about when I think of

811
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 1: power bait is like it was almost like every person

812
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 1: used power bait to try and like seam seal the

813
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: inside of pockets, and they're like old school fishing vests,

814
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like everything it would be

815
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,959
Speaker 1: like it just had a way of like crusting in there,

816
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,479
Speaker 1: and like I just feel like every like cre would

817
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 1: be in your zippers, yeah, be everywhere that Yeah, because

818
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: you would you would get it on your fingers and

819
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: like wipe it here, and then it would lock into

820
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: the FACTI I feel like I can smell it right now.

821
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 1: But you know, whatever gets your limit right, yeah, oh totally, totally. Well,

822
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: you know it's perfect that you bring up trout fishing

823
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: is a little kid, because we've got a question the

824
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: bent Helpline this week that speaks to any parents or

825
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: grandparents out there that have a little limit catching machines,

826
00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 1: like young Joe used to be. What do you laughing at?

827
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: You're not an idiot, you're not a gamblooning help more,

828
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 1: You're a fisherman. What's your emergency? All right? Uh So

829
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 1: today on the bent Helpline, we have a question from

830
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: Evan Taylor, who writes Dear Ben. Let's say I am

831
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 1: fishing in a state where human does not need a

832
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 1: fishing license until there are fourteen. That's an interesting way

833
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 1: to say a kid. It's a very interesting way to

834
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: put it. Yeah, and let's say I like how this

835
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: all like framed and hypothetical. And let's say the daily

836
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 1: limit for bluegill and said state is twenty five for

837
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: easy math per day. If I have my kids who

838
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 1: are seven and five out fishing, does that mean my

839
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,720
Speaker 1: cooler could theoretically have seventy five blue gill in it?

840
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 1: Or is the limit twenty five because I am the

841
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,359
Speaker 1: only one who paid for a license. Now, of course,

842
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 1: anyone who's fished with kids, no, you're never going to

843
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 1: limit with them along. But SI signed Evan Taylor. M hmm,

844
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 1: you got any thoughts on that? Because I do you

845
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 1: know what, man, I don't have kids. This is something

846
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 1: that has never come up for me. I'm gonna let

847
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: you deal with this one entirely. I'm just gonna sit

848
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,879
Speaker 1: back and listen. Yeah, And dear God, I hope I'm

849
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 1: not giving out wrong information here. But my understanding has

850
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 1: always been that if that basically legal is legal. In

851
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 1: other words, if you don't need a license within your

852
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: state till your fourteen. I think in some states it's

853
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 1: it's fifteen, maybe thirteen, it varies. But point being, if

854
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 1: you are not of legal age for a license, you

855
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 1: are still legal in the state's eyes to be out fishing.

856
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,839
Speaker 1: So just thinking back to when I was growing up

857
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: and you know, fishing with my dad, Like on opening

858
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 1: day at trout, I would have my stringer and he

859
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 1: would have his stringer. You know what I mean? Um,

860
00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:01,839
Speaker 1: you know, I yes, I in theoretically you know now

861
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:05,399
Speaker 1: where where it gets gray is Um, I I've I've

862
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: I've seen instances where you know, the kids aren't really

863
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 1: fishing too hard, Dad puts his twelve on the stringer.

864
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 1: That's shitty, Like that's that's that's sort of Also that

865
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 1: um you know, gets into that argument of like when

866
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 1: your saltwater fishing, is it cool for the captain to

867
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 1: keep his limit for the day too if you want

868
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 1: to bring home more whatever fluke or salmon on the

869
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: Great Lakes? But I think I mean, if you're if

870
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 1: your aim is true and your heart is pure, okay,

871
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 1: and um you you really you really want your seventy

872
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 1: five blue gills or whatever, and your kids are legit

873
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 1: catching them. Um. Yeah, legally, I think absolutely, your your

874
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 1: child is legal to fish and pretty sure that the

875
00:48:54,000 --> 00:49:00,120
Speaker 1: same limits would would apply there. Yeah. Um, now, what

876
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:01,879
Speaker 1: if you were hooking the fish and the kids were

877
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:03,840
Speaker 1: reeling them in? And I have a follow up question

878
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 1: of this you have? But see, now you're getting into

879
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 1: semantics like that's the that's the problem with this, like

880
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 1: is it? Let me ask you this, Let me ask

881
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:14,240
Speaker 1: you this. Here's the follow up. What is the difference

882
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 1: between that and being on a charter fishing where the

883
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 1: first mate is the one hooking all the fish and

884
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:24,919
Speaker 1: you're just reeling them in and gripping, grinning with them.

885
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 1: Plenty of people do that and keep well, sure they do.

886
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 1: But but again, man like, so in that scenario, if

887
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:36,879
Speaker 1: you're out on a charter boat, right, and uh, I mean,

888
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 1: first of all, if I'm on a charter boat where

889
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 1: the maid is hooking the fishing hand, he's gonna that

890
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: is like a pet peeve of mine. I will not

891
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 1: take a a rod. I will not take I will

892
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 1: not be handed a rock. I got you. God, I

893
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,439
Speaker 1: hate that, right, I hate that. But I would say, um,

894
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 1: you know, if you're if you're newbies, rookies, you booked

895
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 1: a charter somewhere, you know, and the maids setting the

896
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: hook on the troll or whatever it may be on

897
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter, on the bottom, and he's handing you

898
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 1: the rod and you're okay with that, like that doesn't

899
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 1: bother you. As long as you're only taking your limit

900
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 1: as the angler, then what's the difference? You know what

901
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But what I'm comparing that too is like

902
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:23,760
Speaker 1: the kid on opening day where his dad is hooking

903
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 1: the trout and like letting him reel the trout in.

904
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 1: Now you kind of implied that you didn't think like

905
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 1: maybe that was so cool. No, no, no no, no, you're

906
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:38,879
Speaker 1: misunderstanding completely. What I'm saying is, no, you are misunderstanding

907
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. What I'm saying is there's I think

908
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:46,760
Speaker 1: there's a little more leeway in taking your kid fishing

909
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 1: and your kids standing there fishing with you in the

910
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 1: water wade and sitting in the lawn chair whatever, and

911
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:53,760
Speaker 1: maybe he's too little, so you hook one and handing

912
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 1: the rod. I mean, this is something I never have

913
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,280
Speaker 1: to worry about because I'm I don't care about keeping

914
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 1: a limit right now of anything that my young kids

915
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 1: would catch. Like we're not doing that right, so that

916
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 1: that that's one thing what I'm saying is you go fishing,

917
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 1: you bring your kid, Your kids off running around in

918
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:15,919
Speaker 1: the woods, are looking for fairies, flipping rocks and completely

919
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 1: unengaged in what you're doing. But you're going to keep

920
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:23,399
Speaker 1: his or her six trout to if you're using them

921
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: as a body, so that if somebody flagged you, you'd

922
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 1: be like, well, I caught these six, and a little

923
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 1: timmy here caught the other six. You know. But it's

924
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's getting in the it's ultimately getting

925
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 1: in the weeds, you know. It's it's it's about you.

926
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 1: It's about effort. If you put in the effort, then

927
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 1: it's like whatever. If you're using them is like a

928
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:47,280
Speaker 1: justification to keep you know, X amount of fish without

929
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,840
Speaker 1: the expectation that they're going to be actively involved in

930
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 1: catching said fish, then that's what you don't like. Yeah,

931
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 1: I mean, all all Evans question really spoke to more

932
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,720
Speaker 1: was the legality of it. Can I keep that a limit?

933
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 1: You know? Again, my two kids, I hope Evans not

934
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 1: like rounding up all the kids in the neighborhood. I'm

935
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:05,840
Speaker 1: taking them all fishing. I don't know what the guy's

936
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 1: m O is, right, we can't. We don't read minds.

937
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 1: I'm sure that's not it. It's actually it's it's a

938
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:14,280
Speaker 1: good question, you know. Yeah. And if he's a listener

939
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 1: to Ben, I'm sure that he is just an upstanding

940
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 1: member of society. Or he could be a degenerate angler.

941
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 1: Degenerate angler, you don't know, but yeah, listen, I just

942
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:27,760
Speaker 1: just to sort of cover our asses. Maybe this varies

943
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 1: in different states. I'm not sure, but I mean I

944
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 1: I hold licenses in multiple states every year for freshwater.

945
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 1: You know, grew up traveling fish and fished all over.

946
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: I've never heard of such a thing where, you know,

947
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 1: a legal a legal unlicensed angler, meaning a little kid

948
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 1: I couldn't keep fishing, couldn't couldn't keep their fish or

949
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:52,800
Speaker 1: keep their limits. Yeah, no rules there, it sounds right. Well. Anyway,

950
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 1: that's a great question, Evan, Thank you very much for

951
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: sending it into Ben. If you have questions yourself, you

952
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 1: can send him to either Joe on his Instagram, you

953
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 1: can send them to me on my Instagram. You can

954
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 1: send him into the bent inbox at bent at the

955
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 1: Meat Eater dot com. Um and yeah, send your question

956
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 1: via text, send in a voice memo. We like those

957
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 1: and you could hear yourself. You're texting them to my number?

958
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:19,320
Speaker 1: Did you give out your number? Who did you text

959
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 1: them to? You said, send him in via text? Did

960
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 1: you give out your number publicly? Yeah? My number five

961
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 1: F five I meant in in a text based format. Yeah. Yeah. Look,

962
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 1: send your questions in and we'll do our best to

963
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 1: answer him on the Bent helpline. So that's it for

964
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 1: this week. Remember if you're taking the kids out with

965
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 1: the power bait looking for your makeo limbit, if it roars,

966
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 1: set it free. Also, please please keep those sale band items,

967
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 1: awkward photos, helpline questions, bar nominations, and all that good

968
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 1: stuff coming to Bent at the Meat Eater dot com. Yeah,

969
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 1: and keep using those Bent podcasts and degenerate angler hashtags.

970
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,800
Speaker 1: And for the love of God, please stop suggesting quizzes

971
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 1: for me. No, no, keep suggesting them. What other movies

972
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:13,879
Speaker 1: should we quiz? Haden on Perfect Storm, Mighty Ducks, Open Everything. Yeah,

973
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 1: I'm open to everything except Half Baked, because that would

974
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 1: just be too easy. He