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Speaker 1: On today's episode the Command Centered Podcast, We've got Doug

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Speaker 1: Williams in the building and we're talking about our shared

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Speaker 1: love of football that all starts right now.

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Speaker 2: Stories are crazy.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Command Center Podcast. I'm Logan Pulse here

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Speaker 1: with Fred Smooth and Tantana Moss and a very special

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Speaker 1: guest joins us today, the legend Doug Williams. Doug, how

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Speaker 1: you doing, Bud? Yeah, thanks for coming. Yeah, that's probably

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Speaker 1: not you probably could be doing better things. But glad

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Speaker 1: you're here. So we got some housekeeping things to take

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Speaker 1: care of before we get into the show. First off,

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Speaker 1: Happy birthday, Santana. Yes, right, happy birthday a year older? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I did, man like you. We came into the office

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Speaker 1: and Tana was like, hey, where were you at the party?

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Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, I didn't put on my calendar.

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Speaker 1: I guess I don't know. I just missed it.

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Speaker 3: I knew, I knew I want your type of Yeah,

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Speaker 3: but we had I would love to come.

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Speaker 1: I would have love to come.

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Speaker 2: It was funny.

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Speaker 4: We had three older women there that I didn't and

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Speaker 4: it was fans. And the first thing there where Logan

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Speaker 4: saw Fred, they saw me and they they asked about

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Speaker 4: looking for.

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Speaker 5: Logan the Doug go no one. Yeah, but Tory Hope

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Speaker 5: was there. What was there to hold what I played?

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Speaker 5: And I played the Pro Bowl with Tory Hope.

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Speaker 1: But I yeah, but I mean like I didn't know

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Speaker 1: you were like tight like that.

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Speaker 3: Know, we we don't hang out.

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Speaker 4: But he heard he was in the area, that was

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Speaker 4: something going on, and he popped up that was received.

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Speaker 1: Morgan was there too, Yeah, Josh, he comes a lot

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Speaker 1: of stuff, Josh, George Norman.

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Speaker 3: Norman was there. Yeah, I stand party, man, I will

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Speaker 3: have my brothers in town. So nurse Jeff had a

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Speaker 3: good time, man, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I know someone else had a good time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I did.

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Speaker 1: Because I saw Fred's speech. I don't know if we

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Speaker 1: can link that appropriately.

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Speaker 3: It was good.

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Speaker 2: It was it was more him hip or right, you know?

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Speaker 1: For what were you talking about in that thing?

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Speaker 2: They just gave me to mind you send me let it.

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Speaker 6: Now you see the Doug shouting, I can imagine what

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Speaker 6: it was Fred, me and Fred.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know, happy birthday, said Fred. You know

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Speaker 1: that was it was one of Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Fred walked by me every five seconds say you.

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Speaker 3: Did your job. You did your job, so obviously I

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Speaker 3: did my job.

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Speaker 1: What were you talking about?

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Speaker 2: Bringing people together? That that's what you look for with

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Speaker 2: somebody invite you somewhere. Yeah, you know you hate to

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Speaker 2: get the invite. Do you go somewhere and be like,

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Speaker 2: hey man, I'm ready to go.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: I always get props. When I got there, I was like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm here for I'm gonna be here for something.

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Speaker 1: I know one thing.

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Speaker 7: If I got a party, I want fresh food.

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Speaker 1: Yeahs Doug anytime, anytime, any party. All right, So after

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Speaker 1: Santana's party, we also have our live show coming up

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Speaker 1: June fourteenth, Franklin Hall, d C, seven pm. Right, we'll

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Speaker 1: be giving out free merch right, so shirts like this

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Speaker 1: with our faces on it, and then we will be

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Speaker 1: giving out our five side shirts. Look at that. All

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Speaker 1: the signats show on there, Fred, Look at that pan.

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Speaker 1: Great job. If you can't see it on if you're

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Speaker 1: not watching on YouTube, there's a shirt that hawk outside

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Speaker 1: the three signatures five winners. If you didn't win, that's

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Speaker 1: intern Caroline's problem. So you should send an anger an

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Speaker 1: anger email to that hawk outside at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 1: Let her know how you feel about it. Okay, So

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Speaker 1: that's happening so make sure you guys show up to that.

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Speaker 1: We're really excited to meet everybody and you guys can

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Speaker 1: see the show in person. We've got a lot of

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Speaker 1: We'll see what happens. Still working through some of that.

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Speaker 1: And then the reason our guy, one of the reasons

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Speaker 1: our guy Doug is here just because Doug. There's no

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Speaker 1: reason heavy here because you're a legend. So it's always

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Speaker 1: nice to have you come in. There is an historic

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Speaker 1: podcast coming out. It's called Hail Tails by Hannah Liechtenstein,

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Speaker 1: and she does a great job recapping kind of the

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Speaker 1: low years of the Washington football team. And the first

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Speaker 1: episode I got to listen to it ahead of time

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Speaker 1: because I'm pretty cool. Jason looked it up just to

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Speaker 1: guy Jason, and they talk a lot about you and

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Speaker 1: your journey and the team's journey leading up to that

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Speaker 1: super Bowl, which is pretty exciting.

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Speaker 7: I know, Hannah, Hannah the great job. Yeah, believe me,

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Speaker 7: he asked me Courts now even.

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Speaker 2: Remember I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And as like a fan of football, it was

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Speaker 1: cool to kind of get some inside baseball like cause

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl logan, I know them all. I know, I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but love to throw down. But like you

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Speaker 1: had like a root canal like the day before the game,

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Speaker 1: like all sorts of crazy stories. Are some crazy Dexter

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Speaker 1: Manley stories in there. So it's a good time, man.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, how was that process recording that?

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Speaker 7: You know what?

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Speaker 1: It was great? Man?

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Speaker 7: You know when you look back and you think about

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Speaker 7: those days and the people that I played with, you know,

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Speaker 7: we talk about characters, you know I had? Yeah, I

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Speaker 7: mean we had the best of the best of them. Character.

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Speaker 1: Is there anybody in particular that stuck out to you?

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Speaker 7: Is like next to Manago always stick out with me?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: I mean because I enjoy watching dex A just walking

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Speaker 7: dressing room before a game, said Joelaka, you know you

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Speaker 7: had a show. He breayed it up and down, hitting

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Speaker 7: on blockers and hitting on the wall, and so I

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Speaker 3: They was in for one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's awesome. So this show is going to kind

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Speaker 1: of be a not a preview of that because that's

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Speaker 1: only on the podcast that's coming out the week of

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Speaker 1: July fourth, right, So where we get your podcast, Make

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Speaker 1: sure you guys liking subscribe so you don't miss that,

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Speaker 1: because that's gonna be awesome. We're going to kind of

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Speaker 1: talk about all of our football journeys, starting with Doug

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Speaker 1: Tanne Fred, kind of talking about where we got our

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Speaker 1: we had some comments about like, hey man, we don't

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Speaker 1: all know, fans don't all know like where we started,

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Speaker 1: and yeah, where we're going, So why don't we start

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Speaker 1: with Doug? And I think this is very apropos like

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Speaker 1: what is your first memory of football? They were like, man,

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Speaker 1: I'm in it. Let me tell you my first memory.

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Speaker 1: I didn't.

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Speaker 7: I didn't play football. So I was eight grade the

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Speaker 7: I was pistol Pete as a basketball you know heballo. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Yeah it was.

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Speaker 7: So I was, you know, eighth grade. I had floppy socks,

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Speaker 7: I had everything. And the reason why I thought I

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Speaker 7: I shot him. But but my first time playing football,

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Speaker 7: you know, I didn't want to play my older brother

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Speaker 7: Back then you heard the Rotata cup. You was done.

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Speaker 7: So he came back and became coach at my high

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Speaker 7: And uh, he came to me when when the head coach,

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Speaker 7: And I thought, I'm not playing no quarterback. And he

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Speaker 7: playing football. Wowa whipped him. He's gonna whip me, you know,

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Speaker 7: well I didn't know that.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know. That's how I went.

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Speaker 3: Put hands on you.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's gonna put hands on me.

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Speaker 1: So what can offense? Were you playing back? Then?

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Speaker 7: Hey, it was football today, man would be awesomely. Nobody

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Speaker 7: even do no stuff like we did. But it worked.

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Speaker 2: They weren't in the Georgia Tate Wet High School.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we didn't have to win you. Yeah, it's like

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Speaker 1: So this is getting into some nerdy football stuff, so

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Speaker 1: I'm really sorry about that. There's the single wing, which

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Speaker 1: And then there's the straight T, which is what Doug played.

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Speaker 1: So you were like a read kind of dive pitch.

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Speaker 7: Let me tell you something I ain't never You couldn't

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Speaker 7: nons it was a quarterback sneak.

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Speaker 7: Other than that, I didn't run. I gave it to

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Speaker 7: But that's the only reason why I played football, because

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Speaker 1: I got you, So eighth grade. Eighth grade, Tana, w

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Speaker 1: what did you start? That's a good story too. I

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Speaker 1: didn't start into sixth grade. Really, I didn't started assist grade. Now,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to play football out in the wound. Oh really, But.

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Speaker 4: Like you know, like I think when I first discovered

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Speaker 4: uncle was outside telling me, you know, about the Dolphins.

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Speaker 4: Because where I lived at in Miami at the time,

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Speaker 4: down in Liberty City, my grandmother's hore sat on sixth Avenue,

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Speaker 4: ninety five, and to the left bus was seven ninth Street.

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Speaker 3: Cross seven ninth Street was I believe it was.

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Speaker 4: A holiday in Big Tall, Big Holiday Inn hotel, and

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Speaker 4: the Dolphins stayed there the nights before games.

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Speaker 4: Now, I'm a kid and I'm always hearing sirens on

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Speaker 3: So I was sitting.

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Speaker 4: I was just sit on the porch, like, why these

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Speaker 3: Mama said, you know that's the Miami Dolphins.

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Speaker 4: They stay at that hotel. So not every month, every weekend,

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Speaker 2: And I told him then, I like, I will be

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Speaker 7: I was five five. I couldn't hardly see over the center.

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Speaker 7: Like I grew I grew to six folk. I'm six fold,

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Speaker 2: I totally understand because ninth grade I was five five

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Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, that's crazy. So like, what did you guys

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Speaker 7: Baseball was, like I said, was always all the way

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Speaker 7: I had never seen Coach Robbins, he never seen me play,

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Speaker 7: but this guy did all coach recruiting back then. Alumni

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Speaker 7: But when I went to Grammar and I was probably

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it kind of sounds like you're built like

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Speaker 7: Bowl last year. He's in Atlanta now. Yeah, but he

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Speaker 2: So you built like a picture because I was. I

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Speaker 7: My oldest brother was a picture. So I wanted to

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Speaker 1: So is that when you knew like I could play,

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Speaker 7: Oh? No, I had munster Man Gramlin Now let me

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Speaker 2: But I know who got on y'all. Jackson State, Jacksonsissippi

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Speaker 7: I beat Walter Payton in Brazil and Slaton thirteam Yeah

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Speaker 7: State yeah all of them. See they don't understand when

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Walter Payton, Edie Peyton, Yeah, Jackie Slater and Ral

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I did hear about grammle that more than I heard

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Speaker 7: You talking about the coach, talking about the coach who

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Speaker 2: No, the Swack period was like that at the time.

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Speaker 3: You know what?

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Speaker 4: That's one of those questions like there's how are you accident?

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Speaker 4: What I tell you like this, every level you play

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Speaker 4: no longer I'm here just to play football. I'm trying

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Speaker 4: And it's crazy the way I got into college. You know,

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Speaker 3: Looking at you like you're supposed to be that.

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Speaker 3: So I can honestly tell you when I knew that

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Speaker 4: Was when I laced them up to go to practice

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Speaker 3: Hey, y'all saw the number forty eight. You know I

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Speaker 3: And look I'm not. I'm putting my uniform on every

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Speaker 1: So you know. They were hazing me.

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Speaker 3: They were doing all type of stuff to me. But

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Speaker 4: Sit and smile, knowing that Okay, I'm here, they know

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Speaker 4: week four, you know I was supposed to be red shirted.

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Speaker 3: They threw me in a game my first play ever

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Speaker 4: I go out and run a corner ride and get

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Speaker 4: So that was kind of like, man, I'm here, I'm here,

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Speaker 4: there and recruited me every week saying you stupid boy,

443
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Speaker 4: you're going to the going to play football. You'll you'll

444
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Speaker 4: be with us in a year. Even if they don't

445
00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:48,760
Speaker 4: believe it, you have to believe it. And that's why

446
00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:50,800
Speaker 4: I feel. I feel like I always believe it. So

447
00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:53,000
Speaker 4: it wasn't it wasn't no mystery that I was going

448
00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:53,720
Speaker 4: to end up here, you know.

449
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Speaker 1: And I'm I'm hesitant to ask you, Fred when you

450
00:18:58,119 --> 00:18:59,720
Speaker 1: knew you were going to play, because I'm sure it

451
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Speaker 1: was like when I came.

452
00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:05,080
Speaker 2: Out, I feel, say, when that doctor slaty to make

453
00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:07,720
Speaker 2: sure I was alive, I'm playing for But no, I

454
00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:10,520
Speaker 2: had a very I think my first time was I

455
00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:13,679
Speaker 2: kind of was brought to earth, like back to like

456
00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:15,800
Speaker 2: I was humble, and I was like, oh I might

457
00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:19,000
Speaker 2: can make it. Steve McNair used to throw this camp

458
00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:21,640
Speaker 2: called Dream Camp in Jackson, Mississippi, every.

459
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Speaker 1: Year for Tennessee.

460
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Speaker 2: Yes, he's a legend down south where in Mississippi where

461
00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:28,560
Speaker 2: I'm from, the mcnail boys is like ten of them,

462
00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:30,760
Speaker 2: and you got to understand they won't start coming. It's

463
00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:34,040
Speaker 2: like stepping on the amba. And he throwd this this

464
00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:36,560
Speaker 2: Dream Camp every year in Jackson, Misissippi. He throwed it

465
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Speaker 2: on the field that I played my high school games.

466
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Speaker 2: I'm going to the eleventh grade feeling good about myself

467
00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:48,639
Speaker 2: after mc grosberg. And now when they come back, Jimmy

468
00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,720
Speaker 2: Smith is at this camp. Rice is at this camp,

469
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Speaker 2: like all the Mississippi boys is at this camp, and

470
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Speaker 2: they going at the young guy. They like y'all. No,

471
00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:59,600
Speaker 2: y'all practice against us. We don't want y'all to watch.

472
00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,480
Speaker 2: So I'm going against Jimmy and Jimmy just tossing me

473
00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:05,399
Speaker 2: all over the place. I'm going against Jerry and he

474
00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:09,560
Speaker 2: just round me up. But after that, I totally did terrible.

475
00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:12,919
Speaker 2: But afterwards they did. Jimmy came in. Jimmy said, boy,

476
00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:16,600
Speaker 2: you're sticky. Just keep on doing what you're doing. Understand

477
00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:18,960
Speaker 2: that you might not can check us, but you could

478
00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:20,159
Speaker 2: check the guys in high school.

479
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Speaker 1: How old are they were.

480
00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:23,760
Speaker 2: Just starting their NFL careers.

481
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Speaker 1: So they were like, could you imagine doing that?

482
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Speaker 4: No, I would have loved to be able to go

483
00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:30,800
Speaker 4: and say that I actually practiced with NFL pro.

484
00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:33,239
Speaker 3: Like you like even was that close up?

485
00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:33,480
Speaker 1: Yeah?

486
00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:34,639
Speaker 3: I mean to say I touched them, you know what?

487
00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:38,280
Speaker 2: They did this. So we were like, it was so

488
00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:40,080
Speaker 2: much that the dude is fighting to be a part

489
00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:41,960
Speaker 2: of the camp that they got to turn dudes down.

490
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Speaker 2: So and in that camp, like I said, I didn't

491
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Speaker 2: really I made a couple of plays.

492
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Speaker 3: You get a chance to be a part of that camp, though,

493
00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:48,480
Speaker 3: because your coach, my.

494
00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:51,240
Speaker 2: Coach, My coach made sure like five or six us

495
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Speaker 2: got in the camp. Just like the other high school

496
00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:54,359
Speaker 2: they'd be like, I got to get these three in

497
00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:56,359
Speaker 2: here in these three. Before you know it, it's like

498
00:20:56,560 --> 00:21:01,080
Speaker 2: seventy US and then it's like fourteen pros and we're talking. Lineing,

499
00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:04,560
Speaker 2: were talking, running backs, were talking everybody and you of course,

500
00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,200
Speaker 2: Jared Rice is about the bell of the ball time.

501
00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,920
Speaker 2: But they was really working us. They wasn't out there

502
00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:13,720
Speaker 2: just I'm here to speak to you. They was out

503
00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,240
Speaker 2: there really like taking it to us. Like when I

504
00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:19,040
Speaker 2: say taking it to us, they was burning us and

505
00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,320
Speaker 2: talking trash.

506
00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:22,600
Speaker 3: Fred Smooth one fress move black niggas you.

507
00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:24,480
Speaker 2: I was yeahing. I was.

508
00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:27,879
Speaker 1: Like, I can't. It's sorry for me to wrap my

509
00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:29,920
Speaker 1: head around. Can you imagine like Justin Jefferson was like

510
00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:31,040
Speaker 1: routing high school kids up.

511
00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:33,360
Speaker 4: I couldn't like, well, I see I see Tyreek Hill

512
00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:37,520
Speaker 4: do it, but he's having fun with yeah, yeah, but

513
00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:38,480
Speaker 4: these dudes was working.

514
00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:39,800
Speaker 1: I'm saying like, could you imagine?

515
00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:41,600
Speaker 3: Like I couldn't imagine it, Like I don't.

516
00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:45,000
Speaker 2: Like I said, they set the bar for you, because

517
00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:46,840
Speaker 2: it was like, you know what, I thought I was.

518
00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:49,160
Speaker 3: Good, but you thought I ain't good. You gotta think too.

519
00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,320
Speaker 4: It seemed to me just hearing knowing Fred who Fred is,

520
00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,440
Speaker 4: I'm sure that it was a bunch of knuckleheads out

521
00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:56,960
Speaker 4: there that thought they can check those.

522
00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:58,760
Speaker 3: Guys, you know what I mean? So they probably egg

523
00:21:58,800 --> 00:21:59,320
Speaker 3: and moan.

524
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Speaker 2: Enough, but they was can't know out there.

525
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:02,040
Speaker 3: I wasn't.

526
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:04,840
Speaker 7: But the other thing to you, you say, what if

527
00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:08,560
Speaker 7: Jeffer Jefferson was out there? The thing here is you

528
00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:12,160
Speaker 7: got guys like McNair and Jimmy Smith and Jared Rice

529
00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:15,159
Speaker 7: back then they went back and gave back to them kids.

530
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:16,560
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, they.

531
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Speaker 7: Don't do that today. See that's the difference. It's not

532
00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:21,560
Speaker 7: that well yeah, I'm just saying, but they would like

533
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,240
Speaker 7: to go back to that camp Mississippi. I mean because

534
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:28,480
Speaker 7: Walter Payton made going back to Mississippi popular him season.

535
00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,159
Speaker 7: And what what Peyton used to go is run that

536
00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,359
Speaker 7: hill all the time, so Mississippi they wanted to be.

537
00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,160
Speaker 7: You know when Jared Rice and Jimmy Smith showed up,

538
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:38,640
Speaker 7: you know the kids came.

539
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:42,000
Speaker 2: Is no that the hill is actually it's two hills,

540
00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:45,080
Speaker 2: but they both buy the Mississippi River and then Mississippi.

541
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Speaker 2: You ain't you because Jerry from the Delta, so they

542
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,879
Speaker 2: it's a pilgrimag. Have you ran the Jerry Rice out

543
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,119
Speaker 2: of Walter Payton Hill Because if you ain't ran it,

544
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 2: you can't go to the league Mississippi. I had to

545
00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:01,360
Speaker 2: take the pilgrimage after the man after they did me bad.

546
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,439
Speaker 2: Like I'm gonna go run this date. How hard is it?

547
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:06,399
Speaker 1: It's vertical? Have you done it? I did it?

548
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:10,120
Speaker 7: One vertical? You almost gotta go. Yeah, you gotta got

549
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:11,960
Speaker 7: camp and you go up there, and everybody who was

550
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 7: in the camp followed Walter.

551
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:15,400
Speaker 2: Yeah to the hill, Yeah, to the hill.

552
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:19,320
Speaker 1: I ran it one time. I did.

553
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:21,120
Speaker 3: Never did I.

554
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 2: Want to come out there with them kangaroos. Man, he's

555
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 2: gonna take out and put that He's gonna open that

556
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 2: little packet right there and put something there, some chewing

557
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:35,200
Speaker 2: gum and the heill is almost vertical, like you.

558
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 3: I had me up pair of them kangaroos too.

559
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 4: I'm proud to say I had wanted to slip on

560
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:41,960
Speaker 4: the side, right on the side of it.

561
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 2: What about you, when did you know besides college?

562
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Speaker 1: So yeah, I basically I sign up for football high

563
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 1: school because dad wanted me to have friends in high school. Yeah,

564
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Speaker 1: I was. I was very quiet, like all my whole life.

565
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,119
Speaker 1: So like my parents were just so you don't have

566
00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 1: a lot of friends, but you're gonna play a lot

567
00:23:58,280 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 1: of sports. Yeah, So they signed me up because I

568
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 1: went to football. So I did football and I didn't

569
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 1: know anything. So I remember the first day like who

570
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,439
Speaker 1: like they said the positions like dB linebacker, and I

571
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 1: was like, I don't know any of those are. So

572
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:10,360
Speaker 1: I just stood with the biggest group of people, which

573
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 1: was like a dB, and I remember the seniors came

574
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 1: back and were like, you're no way, You're a dB. Yeah,

575
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,440
Speaker 1: because I was like six ' four, like one ninety.

576
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 1: They were like, come on with the d lineman tight ends.

577
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 1: So I went over there with the tight ends and

578
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 1: I was like my first day. And then in terms

579
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,399
Speaker 1: of what I knew, I mean I didn't really know no,

580
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,880
Speaker 1: Like I've never been a confident player, especially in high school.

581
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 1: But I had twenty two sacks my junior year. Wow,

582
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 1: I broke the school record.

583
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:32,160
Speaker 2: So then I was like, did you play the wrong

584
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 2: position in the league.

585
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 1: So I look at the defensive ends now, and I'm like,

586
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:36,640
Speaker 1: probably not.

587
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,119
Speaker 2: Talking about when you played it. When you just say

588
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:41,639
Speaker 2: you went a bit of passch you could have been

589
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:42,439
Speaker 2: a runch now yea.

590
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,200
Speaker 1: So when I got to college, like I was playing

591
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 1: tight end like, and I remember the strength coach saying, hey,

592
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 1: if you want to play defensive end, like, I think

593
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 1: you're probably a better three technique because like I wasn't

594
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 1: like twitchy the way those guys are, you know, but

595
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 1: I could. I got a big frame. I could have

596
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,359
Speaker 1: been like probably two ninety three hundred pounds and that

597
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 1: that just wasn't that appealing to me. But the one

598
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 1: I knew I had a shot was John Ambry, who

599
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:05,919
Speaker 1: was a coach here was my tight end coach in college,

600
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 1: and he was basically like, you know here, you're gonna

601
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:09,920
Speaker 1: start as a sophomore. And I had a one hundred

602
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 1: yards receiving against Utah and I was like that wasn't

603
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 1: that bad and like maybe And then after that, like

604
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 1: our quarterback left or oc left and the offense changed,

605
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 1: and I was like, well maybe not because situational, but

606
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,120
Speaker 1: worked out, you know what I'm saying. So but yeah,

607
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 1: that was the moment I was like maybe maybe I

608
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:25,640
Speaker 1: could do So.

609
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,640
Speaker 2: We can all agree that all less was doubted. It's

610
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,439
Speaker 2: something oh yeah, but at some point you like somebody

611
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 2: looked us in the face and see it, Yeah, you can't.

612
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 7: Do this one because I didn't want to play.

613
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:39,160
Speaker 2: Greatness.

614
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,440
Speaker 1: It's funny, like I feel that story that Doug said,

615
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 1: because like I was a soccer player and I remember

616
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:46,880
Speaker 1: the football coach came out because I was thinking about

617
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 1: maybe quit, like you know, focusing on that. I had

618
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,959
Speaker 1: a scholarship offer to play soccer, and the football coach

619
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 1: came out my software and was like man like I

620
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 1: will get you, I will get you recruited. Just come

621
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,159
Speaker 1: out and play. And I was like all right, you know,

622
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 1: and like but it's like if he had to your point,

623
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 1: if he hadn't seen something and pushed me, like, yeah,

624
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:06,159
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have been anywhere.

625
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 4: You know, it's crazy because I talked to my to

626
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,199
Speaker 4: my youngest boy about this all the time, and I

627
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 4: can kind of honestly, you know how like when you've

628
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 4: been around footballers, it's been around athletes for a while,

629
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 4: you can see who the late bloomers is and see

630
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 4: the guys who they might not have it now as

631
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 4: long as they stay on it.

632
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 1: You know.

633
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,640
Speaker 3: I was doubted so much that if I was weak

634
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,919
Speaker 3: minded broold, never known who the hell I was. I mean,

635
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 3: I was told from the day one, boy you ain't.

636
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 4: I mean every time I said I was gonna do something,

637
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 4: boy you ain't gonna do that.

638
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:34,919
Speaker 3: Boy. You just too smart.

639
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:35,120
Speaker 1: Boy.

640
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 4: You just I had coaches, don't get me wrong, I

641
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:38,640
Speaker 4: would never forget this.

642
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 3: This coach. I ain't gonna say his name. I'm just

643
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 3: gonna put it out there there.

644
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:42,160
Speaker 2: Hey, coach.

645
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,160
Speaker 4: I had a coach that in my face told me, oh,

646
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 4: your mama had one. She got one talking about my baby,

647
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,159
Speaker 4: my baby brother to you.

648
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 3: Me all he was in front of him, He's like, well,

649
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 3: at least we could say your mama had one.

650
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:56,399
Speaker 1: And I'm right there.

651
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 3: I'm like, boy, you shouldn't you said that to the

652
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 3: wrong person, And honestly, but that.

653
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 4: It wasn't that he feeled my fight. It was always

654
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 4: ready sure that I was gonna do something.

655
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,400
Speaker 3: You know what I mean. I'm his big brother.

656
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 4: I'm the one to get him up in the morning,

657
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 4: to have him out here with me right now.

658
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 3: This is what I want to do.

659
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 2: You see what I'm saying.

660
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,919
Speaker 4: I'm running track with you because they running track with

661
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 4: you because I started running track, you know what I mean.

662
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:22,199
Speaker 4: So that stuff, man, I hear it so much and

663
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 4: I tell my son all the time. I say, Bro,

664
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:25,719
Speaker 4: if you don't have a reason to be out here,

665
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 4: if you don't have a reason to get up in

666
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 4: the morning, if you're waiting on somebody to tell you that,

667
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 4: then you shouldn't be You shouldn't.

668
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 2: You made me think about something time I'll never forget.

669
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:38,679
Speaker 2: That was in high school. My teammate is mister football

670
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 2: in Mississippi, number one playering like number team playing in

671
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 2: the Nation. He signs with Florida. But I remember sitting

672
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 2: on the sewer in my neighborhood because he's like a

673
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 2: year older than me, and just watching all the colleges

674
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 2: the sewer on the sewer you know, you know how

675
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 2: you sit on the sewer top.

676
00:27:59,119 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

677
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 2: So I'm sitting in this are top on it in

678
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 2: the neighborhood and I'm watching all these colleges go by.

679
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 2: I'm watching, know to dang, I'm watching and I'll never forget.

680
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 2: I'm sitting in the yard across from him. When Coach

681
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 2: Spurrier comes to see him, and when Coach get out

682
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 2: the car. Yeah, Coach, I know you see number one

683
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 2: on that film. Don't pass me by. Are you gonna

684
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 2: have to play me?

685
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 1: You are so confident, man, I.

686
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 8: Feel like sometimes if you don't, because because I'm thinking

687
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 8: to myself, like, I know they all come to see him,

688
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 8: but I need to steal some of this lick.

689
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 2: I need to make sure they see me. And I

690
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 2: remember Coach Sperry Grant at me and I said, I'll

691
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 2: never forget that grin. And you know when I got

692
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 2: the Mississippi State what I had on my mind already

693
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 2: and I want him.

694
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: Cool cool story. So yeah, that's a that's an interting question,

695
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: like how did you how did you pick grambling? Like

696
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: what you're like, this is the way? And then Tanel

697
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: obviously Maamy.

698
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 7: You know grambling. Yeah, It's it was easy back then.

699
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: Really.

700
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, every Sunday morning you saw grambling on TV Eddi Robinson,

701
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 7: all they did was one.

702
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: That's so because it's such a different time period.

703
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah, let me tell you, man, I mean,

704
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 7: that was an easy choice. It was only one other

705
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 7: school I wanted to go to. And it's so fortunately

706
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 7: I told my daughter. I tell my daughter this. Now

707
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 7: she's going to USC to play basketball, and I told

708
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 7: her the only other school I wanted to play for

709
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 7: was USC. Really, why Jimmy Jones played quarterback back in

710
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 7: nineteen sixty nine for j John McKay. Yeah, black quarterback. Yeah,

711
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 7: the black quarterback wasn't going to LSU, Mississippi, old mess,

712
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 7: none of them, not mane of that and you can

713
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 7: get that there.

714
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: I'm not sure the stigma was huge.

715
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 7: You forget about that. So it was either John McKay

716
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 7: or Eddie Robinson.

717
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 2: Did you feel a pigeon hole at that time? Like

718
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 2: you know what, No, they don't want to see what

719
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 2: you just like, you know what, I do it.

720
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 7: Because let me say, I'm gonna say this today and

721
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 7: a lot of people probably won't agree with me. Yeah,

722
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 7: but we probably could have played anybody in the in

723
00:29:58,840 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 7: the country.

724
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 2: No, I yeah, I.

725
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 7: Look back now my month sophomore year, we played Argus

726
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 7: State in Portland.

727
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, we beat August.

728
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 7: State even if they called one back. We beat them

729
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 7: nineteen twelve in Portland August. They never wanted to do that.

730
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: Twice. Yeah, and we.

731
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 7: Beat Temple Ones and we lost the Temple one. So

732
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 7: I mean we we we had players. This is this

733
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 7: is doing my time. I'm talking about before me. Yeah,

734
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 7: before Integrat Shevel came up, it wouldn't have been close.

735
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 7: And I can say that somebody might argue with me, but.

736
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 1: I got it. Yeah, that's it's unbelievable that that's like

737
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 1: the level of talent unbelievable. And they were on TV

738
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: when your hometown every weekend, that's your.

739
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 7: Had a playback. Coach Rob had a playback every Sunday

740
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 7: morning all across the country. Oldmobile you sponsored kidding? Oh,

741
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 7: And I think it should be one of the one

742
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 7: or two of on YouTube today you go and say,

743
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 7: Anie Robinson ose mobile, that's awesome.

744
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's that's that's a great story of Miami

745
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 1: walked on right.

746
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, so you know it's it's it's strange because people

747
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 4: look at it and be like, damn boy, you got lucky.

748
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 4: But when I look at it the way I look

749
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 4: at it, even though Miami was the walk on thing

750
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 4: for me, did you offer I had Western Michigan, I

751
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 4: had Utah, I had Eastern Michigan.

752
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: I went to Western End would you have been there

753
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 1: for with Antonio Brown?

754
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 3: Wait for him?

755
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 4: And I also had Pittsburgh that was in the Big East. Also,

756
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 4: Pittsburgh wanted me and a guy. If I would have

757
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 4: signed to Pittsburgh, it was gonna take our safety.

758
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 3: Who was a hard hitting safety.

759
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 4: He ended up going to the Mac and he was

760
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 4: and I think it bothered him a look at like

761
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 4: damn telling you would have went to Pittsburgh. But at

762
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 4: the time I'm not thinking about nobody.

763
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

764
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 4: So I got a chance to go to Western Michigan

765
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 4: and the only reason Miami, you know, ended up happening

766
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 4: for me because see, Miami told me before I even

767
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 4: got recruited for football that hey, we want you for track.

768
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 3: I got a call from the football recruiter.

769
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 4: Coach Shannon, like, hey, you know, I came to see

770
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 4: y'all running back and your safety and all the guys

771
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 4: that you who grew up in your neighborhood. We had

772
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 4: a guy named Rob Mack, and we had a guy

773
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 4: in Nate Wester. Both of these guys linebackers.

774
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 3: I grew up with Nate.

775
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 4: Wester in Liberty City and I grew up with Rob

776
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 4: Mack in my neighborhood that I was living in now

777
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 4: in Carroll City. And Rob Mack knew how we played football.

778
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 4: They come get me out of the house to play football,

779
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 4: all the older guys. So Rob Mack four years older

780
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 4: than me, and he's at um already, Like, man, go

781
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 4: get Sentana, go get Santanamo. Like he can play Karosely,

782
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 4: you don't throw the football, but he can play football.

783
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 4: So he come watch a game and he brings the receiver.

784
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 4: Coach Curtis Johnson. CJ just told me the story. Shej say,

785
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 4: man Kaross, he went throwing the ball, but in the

786
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 4: warm ups he washed my warm ups and he say

787
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 4: he washed my routes and he watched how explosive.

788
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 3: I well, he said, oh yeah, I like him.

789
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 4: If he gonna walk on, if we're gonna let him

790
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 4: come in for track, I want him to walk on

791
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 4: our team. So when they told me the whole Hey,

792
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 4: we're gonna track team already, give me a full ride.

793
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 4: You can just walk on with us, dude, I hung

794
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 4: up the phone. I take my visit to Western Michigan.

795
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 4: I just say that started to end with I come

796
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 4: back home with a slip wrist with stitches. Had too

797
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 4: much fun, sounded like a college thing, and Western Michigan

798
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 4: was willing to make me like anybody else would have

799
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 4: off with their top top five five star wide receiver.

800
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 2: They wanted me.

801
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 4: They was like, man, look whatever it takes to get you.

802
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 4: If you got a girlfriend, we'll bring her to That's

803
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 4: how big I was for Western Michigan. Their coach saw

804
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 4: everything that these other coaches didn't see. And if it

805
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 4: was like a better situation far as weatherwise and close

806
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 4: to the home, that would have been something out easily

807
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 4: said yeah too.

808
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 3: But with the circumstances of like, man, I'm not I

809
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 3: saw ten inches of snow when I went on that business.

810
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 3: I'm like, bro, I never saw snow in my life.

811
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I.

812
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 2: Saw enough snow.

813
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 4: For the rest of my life. And I told me

814
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 4: my homeboy bowl. You know, well, me Bo and our

815
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 4: running back we went. We went on a visit together,

816
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:09,240
Speaker 4: all us committed. When I got home, I changed my mother,

817
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 4: I said.

818
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 3: Again, and Miami called me again. I was waiting for them,

819
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 3: Please mind, I done hung up the phone on Miami.

820
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 3: Oh they called me again.

821
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 4: And they called me again and coach and like, what

822
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:19,760
Speaker 4: listen here, knuckle ahead.

823
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 3: I ain't saying you can you can leave track alone

824
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 3: once you walk on.

825
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 4: We just want to get you in there because they say,

826
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 4: you know, if you're good enough, you make the team.

827
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,800
Speaker 4: And it's crazy. You know, the whole ordeal was supposed

828
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 4: to be for a whole year. I supposed to this

829
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 4: red shirt that shre which it didn't happen for week

830
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 4: four the season when our guys couldn't play.

831
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 3: It's like, we're moving you up to a scholarship.

832
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 1: In your hometown. Is was Miami, like Grambling was for

833
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: Doug Like everyone wanted to go to Miami.

834
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:50,439
Speaker 4: So no, come Florida, Florida State, Florida and Miami. You

835
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:54,399
Speaker 4: could pick your poison, like and me being a Miami guy.

836
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 3: True, I rooted it for all three of them.

837
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 4: But I went to Carroll City Senior High and if

838
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,359
Speaker 4: you know Carroll City, if if you ever down there,

839
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:03,399
Speaker 4: we got that chat.

840
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 7: Uh Seminoles, one of those guys that have come along

841
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 7: my time, he probably would have been at Jackson State.

842
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 7: He probably would have been at Florida And.

843
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:16,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so so so back in them days

844
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 4: as far as black college wise, fam you was our

845
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,879
Speaker 4: thing that was in Tallahassee to with with Florida State.

846
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 4: So Florida State was really my choice to go to.

847
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 4: Like I would have picked Florida State over school just

848
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 4: because of the champ Deon Sanders with somebody who I admired,

849
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 4: and then then I also admired Charlie Ward and worked

850
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 4: un like when.

851
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:37,800
Speaker 3: I was in high school.

852
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I went to the National Championship game. My cousin, Uh, Kendra,

853
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 4: she's up here now, she's a judge.

854
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 3: She got sworn in. Remember I told yeah, she.

855
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 4: Got sworn in last year. I believe last year. Kendrack Briggs,

856
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 4: she's a she's a judge here in d C, Washington,

857
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 4: d C. She was a student at Florida State at

858
00:35:58,000 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 4: the time. I was a ninth grade. I remember like

859
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 4: it was yesterday. She gave me the experience of her lifetime.

860
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 4: She's called home and said, hey, you know, we made

861
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 4: it to the National Championship. I got a ticket for you, Tam.

862
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 4: I was in heaven. She brought me to the game

863
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 4: where after the game, they took me to Charlie Ward

864
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,839
Speaker 4: and worked on all room and I was I came

865
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:19,839
Speaker 4: back to high school like, boy, I'm gonna beat them

866
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 4: guys one day. Like it was just something that like

867
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 4: not now that I look back on it, it was

868
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 4: memories like that.

869
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 3: It's what this matched us to, you know, be who

870
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 3: we are.

871
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 2: Because it becomes reality. Like it become reality. I remember

872
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 2: coming out high school. The first thing everybody said to me,

873
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 2: you got a red shirt? Because I was so skinny.

874
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:40,839
Speaker 1: Was it always Mississippi State free? Though?

875
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 3: No?

876
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 2: Because I signed with Old Miss out of high school.

877
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 2: That's the thing about got to.

878
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 1: Think about it.

879
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I signed with Old Miss out of high school

880
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 2: because of Tuberville. I went to a camp up there,

881
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 2: me Deuce Mecatis to Ken Lucas, Terrence mccamp. This dk

882
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 2: day that all of us went to this Old Mis

883
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 2: camp and kind of made a bun, you know how

884
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 2: you make fun. We all gonna come here, but Tellbville

885
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 2: was just hell being through and he's like, you're gonna

886
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 2: have the red shirt. Like I don't on red shirt.

887
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 2: I want I need to play football, Like I ain't

888
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 2: gonna get better watching people play football. I need to

889
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 2: play football. So he was like, now you're on red

890
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 2: shirt here side like all right, no problem. So then

891
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,479
Speaker 2: my uncle was like, if you go to Old Miss,

892
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 2: I ain't coming to no game. So I was like, well,

893
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 2: I guess I can get to him all of that.

894
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 2: And then so I was like you know what, Oh no,

895
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:30,240
Speaker 2: because my head coach played for Jackson State when Walter played,

896
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,879
Speaker 2: and my high school is walking distance from Jackson State,

897
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 2: so he wanted all of us to go to jack State.

898
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:36,840
Speaker 2: So I was like, nah, I ain't.

899
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 3: Gonna do it.

900
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 2: He won't eat it. I'm gonna go to All Coin.

901
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 2: So I got yeah, I'm gonna go to the SWAT.

902
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 2: I talked to the All Coin coach. You're like, no,

903
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 2: it ain't gonna be no red shirt in here. Matter

904
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:46,839
Speaker 2: of fact, you can play whatever you want to play.

905
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 2: So I was like, you know what, I'm gonna go

906
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 2: to All Coin and I'll never forget it. My teammate,

907
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 2: he was gonna be like, nah, man, I'm going to

908
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 2: junior college. Just push the reset button. He like, man,

909
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 2: you want to play and just keep on playing. Come on,

910
00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 2: win the national championship right quick?

911
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: Like I do that.

912
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 2: I went the highest community college, won the national championship.

913
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 2: I was the number one dB in junior college. Left

914
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 2: there and now everybody here comes everybody.

915
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 1: Now, and how many offers that Jeff.

916
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:18,280
Speaker 2: Leaving junior college? I had maybe seventeen sixteen.

917
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 3: So let me get this straight done, because this is real.

918
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 4: Because guys like myself when we here at jamim call

919
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:25,760
Speaker 4: be like, damn, I got to go to that route.

920
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:27,399
Speaker 3: You was willing to go there?

921
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: I had, and he had a scholarship. I'm like, boy,

922
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 1: he was like, and you were like But.

923
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,439
Speaker 2: Because I knew that, I don't want that. Because I looked,

924
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 2: I weighed my options. I said, do I want to

925
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 2: be stuck at All Coin just because I'm a play freshman?

926
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 1: I do?

927
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 2: I just want to say, you know what, I could

928
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 2: play here and then get recruited all.

929
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 1: Over your old mess too, right, Yeah.

930
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 2: But they wanted me the red shirt, so that's what

931
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 2: that was nothing negotiable for me. At the time, I

932
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 2: did not want a red shirt, but I understood.

933
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 3: Can say the fresh s move kicked in when we

934
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 3: heard the red shirt.

935
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 4: Oh no, no, he want to go play junior college.

936
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 2: Guess what. I went to junior college one in national championship.

937
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 2: Now I'm all over the place. And then now I

938
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 2: got to go through my recruiting again. And that's how

939
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 2: I chose Mississippi State with coach Cheryl because I knew

940
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,839
Speaker 2: I couldn't choose Old Miss because it had just left

941
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 2: U unless you and I'm like, you know what, Aubury

942
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,320
Speaker 2: because Tupaville had left Old Miss and went to Auburn.

943
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 2: So now he's like, come to Auburn, let's do this.

944
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 2: I was like, no, I hate you.

945
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: I see you.

946
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,760
Speaker 2: I see you on Saddy and the rest of y'all.

947
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 2: And that's how I end up at Missisippi State. Missippi

948
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 2: State based.

949
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 3: Decision boy said I'm going to I'm going to junior

950
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 3: I gotta.

951
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 2: Push the reset.

952
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 4: But but I'm just saying, like, for you to have

953
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,359
Speaker 4: that awareness about yourself because most of us so young,

954
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 4: we don't even want to make that decision. I mean

955
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 4: to us, that's like a setback, a setback because I

956
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 4: remember I had guys like, hey, man, you probably ain't

957
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 4: gonna make it, you know, to know, d one.

958
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 3: So you know, the junior college, junior college and or

959
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 3: go to the army. You know what I mean.

960
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 4: I gotta keep telling you telling me. But I looked

961
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 4: at dream cars like high school. To me, I'm like

962
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 4: man's high school all over again.

963
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 3: Like you got them ship.

964
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 2: Uniforms, you got playing them dirt piles. But see this

965
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 2: is the but you know Mississippi jew Coos some of

966
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 2: the biggest Yeah, yeah, I went to the biggest school, right,

967
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,439
Speaker 2: which you gotta realized when I went there, we had

968
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 2: just we were three pee. I three peated there, great

969
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 2: Jackson and all them big great they.

970
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 4: Play league like seven. US made it to the NFL

971
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:27,879
Speaker 4: from the one team you see. You see ju COEs

972
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 4: wasn't even in Florida. Yeah, so lorda Florida guys have

973
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 4: to come to missip Mississippi.

974
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:36,879
Speaker 7: Most people coming to Mississippi the recruit junior conal.

975
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh you're right right.

976
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:42,760
Speaker 1: That's wild. Okay, So that's college, y'all were good players

977
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: in college, Doug, you can start this off. How was

978
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:49,399
Speaker 1: it going from college to professional football? Because you didn't

979
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: go to the NFL right away, you went to you

980
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: go to a different league or were you going to

981
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay? And then yeah, talking to your journey little

982
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: bit open.

983
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 7: I was the seventeen pick in the first round, which

984
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 7: actually like talking to June Jones all the time, he said,

985
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 7: you should have been a number one pick. Tampa had

986
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 7: the number one pick that year, but they knew black

987
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,919
Speaker 7: quarterback coming into the NFL. Trade Now, nineteen seventy eight,

988
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 7: I can trade him, he'll still be there. Yeah, And

989
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 7: we made a trade with with Houston, and Houston picked

990
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 7: Earl Cammell and that the same year Earl Camera won

991
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 7: the Heisman. I finished fourth.

992
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:27,760
Speaker 1: It's fourth in the hospital.

993
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 3: So one overall, yes to Houston.

994
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I finished fourth in the Heisman. That's that's harder

995
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 1: than Fred.

996
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 4: That's hard than f I finished ninth there I was, Yeah,

997
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:38,280
Speaker 4: that's seven.

998
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 3: I was seven in the Hey.

999
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,879
Speaker 2: Just the guy you did her homework on them telling

1000
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 2: you now.

1001
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: No, no.

1002
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 7: But I went to Tampa where said a lot of

1003
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 7: people don't know this. See I knew Joe Gibbs from

1004
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 7: everybody up before everybody up here. Really, Joe Gibbs here

1005
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 7: was running back coach when I got drafted. Yeah, and

1006
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 7: that's and only one coach in the National Football League

1007
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:07,280
Speaker 7: come to see me in Gramblin. It was Joe Gibbs,

1008
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 7: no kidding. Spent two days, bro spent two days with

1009
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 7: me Monroe, Louisiana.

1010
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: How was that good?

1011
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,320
Speaker 7: I was a student teaching and coach Gibbs sat in

1012
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,879
Speaker 7: the back of the room every two days.

1013
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 1: And the student teaching. Yeah, what class were you teaching?

1014
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 3: He?

1015
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 6: Physical education? Come on with I bet you that would

1016
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 6: have been pretty cool though. If I if I'm a coach,

1017
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:30,399
Speaker 6: let me tell you the kids. I had a ball

1018
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 6: and Coach Robinson's son was a coach up there. I

1019
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,399
Speaker 6: was up under him. So you know, Coach Gibbs came

1020
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 6: and spent two days there, and when the kids left

1021
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 6: the classroom, him and I said, and we talked about football.

1022
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 6: We weren't talking about his offense. We talked about my offense.

1023
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:46,720
Speaker 6: He wanted to know how much did I know about

1024
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:47,479
Speaker 6: what we was doing?

1025
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, real, well, we're pretty locked in with your offense.

1026
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 7: Sorry, yeah, I knew I can go to sleep and

1027
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:55,919
Speaker 7: talk about the wing team.

1028
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 2: But that was but that was that was running Coach Gibbs.

1029
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:00,720
Speaker 2: When that before he went with Air Courriel.

1030
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 7: And when I got drafted in Tampa, Kenny he Rocks

1031
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 7: was a Germ magic. Coach Gibbs came back and told

1032
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 7: coach McKay that if we want a franchise quarterback, we

1033
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 7: got to drap the kid from GRANMLA. And when I

1034
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 7: got there my first day, I was a week late

1035
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 7: because of negotiation. Still didn't get no more money. So

1036
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 7: so my first day I practiced. Bill Nelson blessed his

1037
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 7: soul was the quarterback coach. And I did something wrong

1038
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 7: and he screamed to the top of his voice, you know,

1039
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 7: and Coach Gibbs. I looked down there and Coach GiB

1040
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,839
Speaker 7: was jogging down. He was at that time he could

1041
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 7: run a little bit. He was running down the field

1042
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 7: and he got face to face with Bill Nelson. He

1043
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 7: told me to say, don't holler at him no more.

1044
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 7: You really a guy here, don't holler at him no more.

1045
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:50,320
Speaker 1: Wow.

1046
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 7: And from that day on, every day too a day.

1047
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 7: We had real two a day. Yeah, we had real

1048
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 7: two a days. And after two a days when they

1049
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 7: go to meeting, I went home with Coach Gibbs every night.

1050
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 1: Really he like he like had your back. I said that.

1051
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: I said that.

1052
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 7: Coach Gibb table with his wife, Pat, j D and

1053
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 7: card blessed their soul. We hate and they went to bed.

1054
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 7: Coach Gibbs and I sat there and we went through

1055
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 7: the playbook and he bring me back to the hotel.

1056
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: How was the offense in Tampa Bay compared to what

1057
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 1: you're running a grambling like.

1058
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:24,280
Speaker 7: Totally different, like totally I was sure it was totally different,

1059
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,320
Speaker 7: totally different, you know, we was. We were so basic

1060
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 7: in Tampa. I never never took a shotgun snap in

1061
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 7: my whole life. Really all know what a shotgun is black,

1062
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 7: you know. And and then town in Tampa we were straight,

1063
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 7: you know, tight end z X full back, tail back, Yeah,

1064
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 7: nothing nothing fancy might have moved to Z every now

1065
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 7: and then John McKay was pitched right, pitch left, blast

1066
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 7: up the middle and if it's third and Dougie, you

1067
00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 7: got to find a way to get it to Jimmy Johns. No,

1068
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 7: we was basic, you know. It was the five step

1069
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 7: or seven step drought.

1070
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 2: Now, now that you can sit back and look at

1071
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 2: that Temple team, what's the talent level?

1072
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 3: On that team.

1073
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 2: Did y'all not have a.

1074
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 7: You know, from a receiver now, Jimmy Giles to me

1075
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 7: is a Hall of Fame tight end.

1076
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:23,720
Speaker 1: Jimmy.

1077
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 7: Jimmy was about two point fifty, ran about a full six,

1078
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 7: full five five. Man could catch the catch. It b

1079
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 7: be in the dark, my white outs. I had white out.

1080
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 2: The faceless men out. Yeah, I mean, you know they.

1081
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 7: Had Kevin House. When we got Kevin House. All they

1082
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 7: can do is run a post or fly.

1083
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:46,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, couldn't stop.

1084
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 7: Couldn't come on me. Two tall Jones from Pittsburgh or

1085
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 7: Garden Jones. You know, he probably was the toughest guy

1086
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,760
Speaker 7: we had across the middle when he was full six five.

1087
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, at best.

1088
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 7: Larry Marco probably was full seven, and mars Os probably

1089
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:02,399
Speaker 7: was a full six five.

1090
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 2: Oh, y'all needed Jesus dug.

1091
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,839
Speaker 7: John McKay was probably all day. Yeah, he took him

1092
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 7: all day to get across the middle. Yeah. So the

1093
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:13,359
Speaker 7: coach and son was the wide receiver too.

1094
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:15,359
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. We had Ricky Bell.

1095
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 7: I remember running bail now, Ricky Grun the year we

1096
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 7: went to the championship game against the Rams. Ricky ran

1097
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,240
Speaker 7: for like twelve hundred and sixty three yards. Yeah, yeah,

1098
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 7: probably five hundred was at the contact. Yeah, but you

1099
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 7: know we had a great defense. Now, yeah, we had

1100
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 7: a defense, you know with with with the Douey board

1101
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 7: do his Salemon, Yeah yeah, and Leroy Salmon, Leroy Salmon,

1102
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 7: to be honest, which is in the Hall of Fame.

1103
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 7: And I do think we did him unjust by playing

1104
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 7: a three man front. If you had to be in

1105
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 7: the four man front, he'd have been a wrecking crew.

1106
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:54,280
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, wow, that's crazy. And then Tana obviously jets right.

1107
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, just I mean, you've told your story a bunch

1108
00:46:58,640 --> 00:46:59,839
Speaker 1: about how you got up there, I got hurt, all

1109
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 1: that stuff, but like, what was that process like and

1110
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 1: then going yeah, because you weren't stoked about it, right,

1111
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: you were kind of upset about it.

1112
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 3: I wouldn't never upset to be drafted, just dislike going

1113
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 3: to New York.

1114
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:14,359
Speaker 4: Like I told you, once I saw western Michigan snow

1115
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 4: and then knowing New York was going, yeah, I think

1116
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 4: I'm not.

1117
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:19,760
Speaker 1: But it snow's here though, too, and you were happy

1118
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:21,720
Speaker 1: to come here, you saying.

1119
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 2: New York was dirty.

1120
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:24,839
Speaker 4: It's it's a different kind of snow. But no, I'm

1121
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 4: gonna get to that New York was so dreary to me,

1122
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:33,839
Speaker 4: like it just had like an overcast that never suited me. Well,

1123
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, I'm an energy person, like

1124
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 4: I you know, I meet people to this day. If

1125
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 4: I can that energy wrong, I won't even how you

1126
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 4: doing and keep it moved. I stay away from always.

1127
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 4: I'm always been an energy guy. So for you, first round,

1128
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 4: sixteenth pick seventeenth. Yeah, so, and so this is the

1129
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 4: craziest part about it. So, you know, like I say

1130
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 4: what I probably haven't shared with people. I was a

1131
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 4: forty nine er fan growing up because of Jared Rice

1132
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 4: and Joe Montana them to there was you know, that's

1133
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:04,360
Speaker 4: another guy who drove me to be great. I remember

1134
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 4: I'm being what I was four nine in ninth grade, five.

1135
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 3: One or something like that.

1136
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 4: I'm gonna just say five one, five two, and gods

1137
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 4: used to be like, boy, you ain't playing no football.

1138
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 4: And I'm like, I'm like, man, I'm faston than Jared Rice.

1139
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. I just say stuff like that.

1140
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 3: It's kind of like and they like boy, okay boy.

1141
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 4: And then so like my homeboys in the neighborhood, they

1142
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:26,919
Speaker 4: were like, go deep town.

1143
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 3: Remember Joe my Tenant Jr.

1144
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 4: Right there, throw it to me deep, so fast forward.

1145
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 4: I get drafted first round sixteen pick. Guess what draft pick.

1146
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 4: Jerry Rice was first round sixteen pick. So you know

1147
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:40,839
Speaker 4: what I mean, All this stuff lines up and I'm

1148
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 4: sitting there seeing like them. I've been talking that I'm

1149
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 4: gonna be Jered Rice one day, and this is my

1150
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:47,280
Speaker 4: This is the closest I got to Jared Rice by

1151
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 4: being drafted in his same slot.

1152
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 3: I ain't gonna be Jared Rice because I ain't tall enough.

1153
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 4: But and at the same time, the numbers he put up,

1154
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 4: it just was probably one of them things that hey, man,

1155
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 4: you can try.

1156
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 2: I know how you try.

1157
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, but York Man, I embraced it. It kind of

1158
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 4: started off bumpy. That made me feel like, see, he

1159
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 4: got my superstition coming in now, Like damn, you know,

1160
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 4: I kid off. I can't even I can't make it

1161
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:13,359
Speaker 4: to the a damn preseason game without getting hurt, hurt

1162
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 4: my knee and fan appreciation night.

1163
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 3: But like I said before, through my whole journey, I

1164
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 3: had so many ups, downs.

1165
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 4: Roadblocks, you know what I mean. I had so much

1166
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 4: that I dealt with. It was just another day in

1167
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 4: my life, you know what I mean. I looked at

1168
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 4: the new things, like, okay, you know, New York wanted

1169
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:32,320
Speaker 4: to carve me up real quick. I had a miniscus,

1170
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 4: tell a lot of the monistic stuff they wanted to

1171
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 4: shave me and say said, hey, you'll be back in

1172
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 4: four weeks. And my agent was like, can we get

1173
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,320
Speaker 4: a second opinion. So my agent, you know, Drew Rosenhause,

1174
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 4: you know, he's that guy, and he say telling him,

1175
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 4: let's go back to Miami to the people that took

1176
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:46,280
Speaker 4: care of y'all down there.

1177
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:47,760
Speaker 3: And we went back to Miami.

1178
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 4: I came back with with surgery, and I think that

1179
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 4: started that started the bumpy road even more bumpy or with.

1180
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 2: The team because now they like, you're doing stuff itself.

1181
00:49:58,440 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 3: I mean.

1182
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 4: But at the same time, if you look at the

1183
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 4: decision I made, it was a better decision for my career,

1184
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 4: not for what they wanted to do because I'm their

1185
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,839
Speaker 4: first round draft pick. But when I look back at

1186
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 4: that time, man, it was just something that molded me

1187
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 4: a little more, building up a little more to be

1188
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 4: the guy who I became when I got here, Bingo.

1189
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 4: You know, when I got here, I was a new man.

1190
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 4: Because I had been through the fly and I overcame

1191
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 4: all the mischief and all the stuff that was presented

1192
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 4: to me. I got through it and still was one

1193
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 4: of the guys that they hated to see leave.

1194
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.

1195
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 4: It's one thing of people saying you got traded, you

1196
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 4: wasn't wanted. It was man when I left through New York.

1197
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 4: When I left from New York's true story. I'm riding

1198
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:39,800
Speaker 4: my hummer. I go through the turnpike.

1199
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 3: I ain't have I ain't have no coins.

1200
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,879
Speaker 4: So I blast through that police picked me up, pulled

1201
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 4: me over. He say, look at you, Moss. You can't

1202
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 4: even pay when you leave. And he tells me, say, Man,

1203
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 4: you know what, Man, we hate to see you go. Man,

1204
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 4: you was one. He was one eyed guys, bro if

1205
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 4: you look at my last the first year was the

1206
00:50:59,080 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 4: only bumper year from me.

1207
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 1: Everything.

1208
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:04,320
Speaker 4: My first year, I played my second my second season.

1209
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:07,799
Speaker 4: First year I played two thousand and two, three thousand.

1210
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 3: And four, I put up numbers.

1211
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:10,840
Speaker 4: I was All Pro as a plumb return of my

1212
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 4: first year playing. I was a Pro Bowl offton at

1213
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 4: my first year as a receiver. And then my last

1214
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 4: year we got to the second round playoffs where I

1215
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 4: put up numbers in both of those playoff games.

1216
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 3: So it's just like one of those things. Man, to

1217
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 3: see this guy go.

1218
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 4: That's not a good thing for that team, but it

1219
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 4: was the best thing for me, you know what I'm saying.

1220
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 1: And then Fredd, you think you're gonna be first round

1221
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:29,319
Speaker 1: pick too? Right?

1222
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I messed it up myself on one of

1223
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:36,760
Speaker 2: them wild nights on campus. Oh yeah, that's how I happened.

1224
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 2: The think about me is I left Missisippi State just

1225
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 2: some fire, like I was that boy. Like it wasn't

1226
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 2: no question, like me and Tannity did everything from my

1227
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 2: junior year old is the top players in college football.

1228
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 2: I think the wildest thing with me was I was

1229
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 2: so happy because I thought I was actually because I

1230
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 2: had talked to the Seattle Seahawks most of the time,

1231
00:51:58,239 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 2: which had the eighteenth pick.

1232
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 4: Uh.

1233
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 2: I thought I was going to Seattle. I end up

1234
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 2: coming to a different Washington. So when I got here,

1235
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 2: my guy who I had already been talking to, Deon Sanders,

1236
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:12,879
Speaker 2: who patterned my whole life after word, So now I'm

1237
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 2: like it hit me the next day after dream you know,

1238
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:18,840
Speaker 2: you fulling euphoria that first night. Then yeah, I'm in

1239
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:21,400
Speaker 2: the league. That's all that mattered. But then I thought

1240
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 2: for a second, like my god, I'm either gonna have

1241
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 2: to try to take my idle job. Uh darn green

1242
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 2: a Champainly, this might not work out. So I'll never

1243
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 2: forget coming in, you know, Like we come in a

1244
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 2: week later, they introduce everybody to the team, and I'm

1245
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 2: just sitting in my meaning room and I'm looking around

1246
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 2: like why did they waste this dram pick? Like why?

1247
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 3: Why? Why?

1248
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:48,439
Speaker 1: Why?

1249
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 2: And I went talked to marts Shawneemen, who's my coach

1250
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 2: that draft, and he like, boy, just chill, just go

1251
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 2: in there and soak up everything you can from the

1252
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:57,799
Speaker 2: mold the guys we gonna it's gonna work his own

1253
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:01,879
Speaker 2: self out. So we three weeks into you know, little

1254
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 2: mini camps and stuff in prime time, ain't feeling Marty Scheinenhaimer,

1255
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 2: I'm not doing it, Like what you mean, Like I'm

1256
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 2: not playing for him? I like, well, what you're gonna do?

1257
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 2: He's like I'm leaving. Like you can't just leave? He's like, nah,

1258
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 2: what do you want to leave? Was the practice to

1259
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 2: or see? You can't get these two guys at the

1260
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 2: peak of their career, and you bring in a dB

1261
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 2: grel rule like Seawenheimer who liked the mold people. And

1262
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 2: he looking at me and Champ like, look at these youngsters.

1263
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 2: I can mold him into whoever I want to. Now,

1264
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 2: these too older dogs, they gonna do stuff the way

1265
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 2: that they always did it. So Prime was like, you

1266
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 2: know what I'm leaving here?

1267
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 1: Come on.

1268
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 2: He gave me his locker. He gave me twenty one.

1269
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 2: People never knew I wote twenty three for my first

1270
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 2: three weeks here. I woe to Michael Joy. He gave

1271
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 2: me twenty one.

1272
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 1: He gave me.

1273
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:53,240
Speaker 2: He gave me literally everything. So that day I felt

1274
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 2: like I was or dained. I was all day like

1275
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 2: I see a little light, come over to the locker room.

1276
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 8: This is gonna be okay.

1277
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 2: I am loving it so once second, once thing got

1278
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 2: to going on and training, Kim got to going, and

1279
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 2: you know, now I'm gonna start on the team. It's

1280
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 2: me and Champ and Dare Green is the third cornerback.

1281
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 2: But now I never forget this though, because Brown used

1282
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 2: to catch me. Just I studied film, but I'm not

1283
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 2: studying myself. I'm studying him.

1284
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 3: In d Green and Champ.

1285
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 2: He was like, Dude, I'm gonna tell you something. You

1286
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:28,840
Speaker 2: could probably study me and Champ and pick up some habits,

1287
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 2: but only D Green can d Green? Yeah, like you cannot.

1288
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 2: Don't try to mimic him because he don't play like

1289
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 2: nobody else. He plays like himself. So mine was full up.

1290
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,879
Speaker 2: I was so happy, but then I got humble because

1291
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:46,359
Speaker 2: I'm like, I might not even start. Then it all

1292
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 2: broke itself and worked itself out. So I thought everything

1293
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 2: happened the way it should have happened.

1294
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 1: Did you guys have like a welcome to the NFL moment?

1295
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 1: We were like, oh, I'm here, and like, it's a

1296
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 1: little bit shocking, Doug when you.

1297
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 7: Got it In my first game when Gary Gena up

1298
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:04,360
Speaker 7: the Giants slammed me on the sideline and separated my shoulder.

1299
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, my first game.

1300
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:09,280
Speaker 1: What happened?

1301
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:10,360
Speaker 4: You know?

1302
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:12,359
Speaker 7: I didn't know, you know, being trying to be tough,

1303
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 7: I got up, went to the huddle, called the play,

1304
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 7: went to the line of scrimmage, and when I moved

1305
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 7: my arm it was some mudy's pain. I fell to

1306
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:23,839
Speaker 7: the ground and coachmay say, Lord, somebody don't shot him.

1307
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:29,240
Speaker 1: Was it just an a c spring.

1308
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 7: Yeah, I missed one game. Did those are rough?

1309
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 4: Hurt?

1310
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 1: Hurt real bad? So that was that was the moment. Yeah,

1311
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 1: it was kind of tough, was that when cut you

1312
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:41,799
Speaker 1: that one time?

1313
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:44,840
Speaker 4: No, No, that wasn't a welcome because I was slaying

1314
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 4: hurt right. Yeah, I was playing pretty good football by

1315
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 4: that time, but it was just rough for me to

1316
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 4: even gauge my my moment, you're welcome to the NFL,

1317
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 4: because I felt like even you know, the year when

1318
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 4: I got hurt, I didn't play until week twelve, you

1319
00:55:58,480 --> 00:55:58,839
Speaker 4: know what I mean.

1320
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 1: Think about you got four.

1321
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 4: You know that, and I literally wasn't playing. I was

1322
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 4: hurt still, like my knee won't right. They forced me

1323
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 4: out there. I go out there.

1324
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 3: I blow him a quad the next day because my

1325
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:11,319
Speaker 3: knee ain't right.

1326
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 2: You see what I'm saying.

1327
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 4: So it's like my first ship was like that, this ball,

1328
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 4: this paper up and throw it in the trail and

1329
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 4: he you got your first round draft pick, looks nothing

1330
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 4: like the guy who you draft him. And I can

1331
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 4: say the next year was kind of like my welcome

1332
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:27,319
Speaker 4: to the league. And it wasn't on nothing that was

1333
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:27,879
Speaker 4: really bad.

1334
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 3: That happened.

1335
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 4: It was just how I was able to overcome all

1336
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 4: that and become all pro.

1337
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 3: You know, I was All Pro.

1338
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 4: As a puppet turner first, you know, first team All

1339
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 4: Pro as a puppet turner. And I ran back two punts,

1340
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 4: you know, back to back one game I could, I

1341
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 4: should have had two. I let the damn They had

1342
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 4: this big old rugby kicker for San Diego.

1343
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:49,439
Speaker 3: I forgot his name.

1344
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:52,799
Speaker 4: I break through everything, and I'm like this, put your

1345
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 4: foot in the ground, Tannhem. But he was sitting there,

1346
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 4: he was trying his head to make that. I didn't

1347
00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 4: have what side to go. And when I finally wanted

1348
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 4: to put my foot in the ground, I spun him around.

1349
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:04,399
Speaker 4: He just for dear life and just threw it, threw

1350
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:06,279
Speaker 4: his hand up and caught me by the damn collar

1351
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 4: That saved my third touch, third punt return that year.

1352
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 3: And I'm like this, mother, you know what I mean.

1353
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 4: But like to me, that was like tell you here,

1354
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:15,799
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like, here go the guy

1355
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 4: who they.

1356
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 3: Wanted, you know, here go the guy run these punts back.

1357
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 4: And you know what folks fail to realize is too

1358
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 4: the Jets really didn't pick me to be their number

1359
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 4: one receiver.

1360
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 3: It picked me to be a.

1361
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 4: Pupp returner, and they was pissed that when I started

1362
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 4: being the number one receiver, I started saying, hey, I

1363
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 4: don't want to.

1364
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 3: Return that punne return.

1365
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 4: And you know, so they was more upset with me

1366
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 4: as a put return than they was as anything else

1367
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 4: because they was like, bro, you know.

1368
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 1: I didn't know this.

1369
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 3: I'm like, but why would you want me to be

1370
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 3: out here catching punts when I'm the guy that you

1371
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 3: you want to go deep in? Want of them sit

1372
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 3: across the middle? You know what I'm saying. I never

1373
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 3: had one of them things.

1374
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 4: Another thing too, that stood out to me that that

1375
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 4: was rare all my life leading leading to the NFL,

1376
00:57:57,520 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 4: I was, you know, people told me, yeah, you'll be

1377
00:57:59,520 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 4: a guy and.

1378
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:03,439
Speaker 3: If you make it, you be You're too small, you'll

1379
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 3: be a guy in the slot. You know. I didn't

1380
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 3: touch the slot until my tenth year playing football.

1381
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 1: That's crazy playing for you know, your journey as a

1382
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 1: receiver is that's always kind of mind blowing to me

1383
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 1: because you, like were such a trendsetter. You and like

1384
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:16,919
Speaker 1: Seve Smith, like for the smaller guys to come out

1385
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 1: and be as exposive as as as dynamic. You were

1386
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 1: was really cool. So friend, it sounds like you're wal

1387
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 1: from the NFL moments when you met your idle. Is

1388
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 1: that true or was there another time where you got

1389
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 1: like righted.

1390
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 2: Up my whole locker room? Stop study. I had the

1391
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 2: old folks home in Ashburn. Here, I had Bruce Smith,

1392
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 2: like I had like my first team had five number

1393
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:38,440
Speaker 2: one picks on it, number one picks up the draft,

1394
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 2: and I had a lot of dudes on it, but

1395
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 2: mine probably was I got an interception early in my

1396
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 2: rookie year against the Cowboys and I'm running down the

1397
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 2: sideline and blissede sol Larry Allen just passed away and

1398
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 2: he just came out of nowhere and Larry Alley hit

1399
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 2: me in my ear hole and I was like, you

1400
00:58:56,440 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 2: know what I might need to be a lawyer, like

1401
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 2: listen to me. One I didn't see him, yeah. Two,

1402
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 2: I was like, this dude is because I remember Bruce

1403
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:12,600
Speaker 2: telling me before the game a smug watch all our

1404
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 2: defensive line and get that Larry Allen flu I was like,

1405
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 2: what's Larry Allen flu watch? They don't play And I

1406
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:21,080
Speaker 2: was like, what is he talking about? And when I

1407
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 2: got in that game and watched Larry Allen attacking. He

1408
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 2: was he was the first officsive line I seen when

1409
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 2: this ball was He was literally attacking our defensive lineman

1410
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 2: in manhandling him, throwing, kicking him out the club. And

1411
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 2: when he got hold of me after the interception, I

1412
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 2: got up and you know, they got that hole. They

1413
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 2: had the hole in the state of attack. I was like, God,

1414
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 2: bless him.

1415
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 1: Mary.

1416
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:44,920
Speaker 2: I thought the man was gonna take me out. And

1417
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:47,640
Speaker 2: I like, this cannot be an office alignment running like this,

1418
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 2: And I was like, Yeah, the NFL is different. That's

1419
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 2: when I knew it's a different beast when the fat

1420
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 2: boys are running like that.

1421
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. For me, it was one of my first game

1422
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 1: in Dallas that I was playing a little bit and

1423
00:59:58,000 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Sware just put his hand on me. Ever told

1424
00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 1: you this right before?

1425
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 2: Please damn, I like to.

1426
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:03,440
Speaker 1: I was out there and I was like, you know,

1427
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 1: it's the markets where it's it's loud. In Dallas, it's

1428
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 1: a new stadium, and like you got to like all

1429
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 1: these different tricks to see the ball and like looking

1430
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 1: through people's legs and I turn out to go block them,

1431
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:14,120
Speaker 1: and it was just like someone took a baseball bat

1432
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 1: and just stabbed it in my chest and kept me

1433
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 1: in arms like, and I couldn't. I could not reach him.

1434
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 1: I could. I was like grabbing his bicep and I

1435
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 1: was like, oh no, and he just walked me right

1436
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 1: back with his arms straight, threw me over a pilot.

1437
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 1: I remember looking up at that big jumbo Trump being like,

1438
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 1: this is the first play of the game, Like, I

1439
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:35,919
Speaker 1: got it, I got I gotta figure something out. I'm

1440
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:38,680
Speaker 1: not gonna I'm about to get cut on Monday. So

1441
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 1: that was that was why walking NFL moment when when

1442
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 1: I realized, like, man, these dudes are just like they different.

1443
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:46,520
Speaker 1: They're built different, man, they did different. So Doug, after Tampa,

1444
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:49,440
Speaker 1: you go where What's what's your story there? You had

1445
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 1: to get to Washington. I feel like I should know this.

1446
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 7: I went five years and Tampa and then in eighty

1447
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:56,200
Speaker 7: three I didn't play in that one down football.

1448
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:59,120
Speaker 1: Really Oh yeah, it's the whole year injury or.

1449
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 7: Just was contract. Back then, we didn't have free agent.

1450
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:09,720
Speaker 7: If somebody else had to sign, mean, they would have

1451
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 7: had to give up to number one.

1452
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 2: Picks because you were a number one pick.

1453
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 1: No, yeah, because because I was free. That was the rule.

1454
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:19,480
Speaker 1: Yeah right, I see draft Right.

1455
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:21,960
Speaker 7: So I went and played two years in the USFL,

1456
01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:24,880
Speaker 7: played with the Oklahoma Laws and the Arizona I was up.

1457
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:29,160
Speaker 7: You know what, that was some talent. We wasn't the

1458
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 7: most talented team. Like the Philadelphia Stars and the Michigan Panthers.

1459
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:36,400
Speaker 7: They had all the talent. They had a lot of

1460
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 7: guys that Reggie White. I played against the Reggie White

1461
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:43,560
Speaker 7: and all those guys in the USFL. The USFL had

1462
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 7: a lot of talent, but not the backups. Yeah, that's

1463
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:50,320
Speaker 7: when you lost the backup. And you know the team

1464
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:52,640
Speaker 7: I had, we we had. We had a bunch of

1465
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 7: old folks that coming from other teams and the NFL

1466
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 7: coming in to play, and a couple of young linemen.

1467
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:01,560
Speaker 7: They had one one like av In Power I never

1468
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:04,360
Speaker 7: forget from Winston Seldom State was probably the best and

1469
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:07,080
Speaker 7: Carl Roberts from Jackson State was probably the two best

1470
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:08,040
Speaker 7: linemen I played with.

1471
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:12,080
Speaker 1: I got beat up a lot for two years. And

1472
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:13,960
Speaker 1: was it? Do you think it was helpful for your

1473
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 1: development or was it? It wasn't.

1474
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 7: It wasn't about development me because you know I had

1475
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:21,040
Speaker 7: been playing. I was years and it was just the

1476
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:25,640
Speaker 7: opportunity to play again, and the usfl offered me had opportunity.

1477
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:27,840
Speaker 1: That was the money. The money was good.

1478
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:30,160
Speaker 2: Because they were trying to compete with you.

1479
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 7: That there.

1480
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 1: The money was good.

1481
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:38,040
Speaker 7: But but I remember one day in Arizona, I went

1482
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:39,960
Speaker 7: to my own and my own was probably a year

1483
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:42,800
Speaker 7: younger than me. His daddy brought the team from wim

1484
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:46,720
Speaker 7: Tatum and I told him, I say, man, you know what,

1485
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:49,920
Speaker 7: I went to a mall in Arizona to be honest

1486
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 7: with you, and I walked to mall in Arizona. I

1487
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 7: didn channeled somewhere and it was only I saw one

1488
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:57,480
Speaker 7: black guy in the whole mall.

1489
01:02:58,400 --> 01:02:59,240
Speaker 1: So I went to him.

1490
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:02,360
Speaker 7: He was the pool at the hotel and I told him,

1491
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:06,720
Speaker 7: I say, Bill, man, look just let me go. I

1492
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:08,640
Speaker 7: don't want to play no more. And plus I had

1493
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:10,960
Speaker 7: a problem with the coach who was who wanted to

1494
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 7: start somebody else because he told him told coach coach

1495
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:17,000
Speaker 7: out and uh, I can't think his name. Arizona State

1496
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:20,080
Speaker 7: used to be Aristona State coach for a long time.

1497
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:22,360
Speaker 7: He just passed away not long ago. But he told

1498
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:24,480
Speaker 7: him I couldn't play. Roger Theater was the quarterback.

1499
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 1: Coach.

1500
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:27,760
Speaker 7: I told him and say, hey, he said, I can't play,

1501
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 7: so let me go. So he said, no, man, we

1502
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 7: not gonna let you go. He said, look at this weather,

1503
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:34,560
Speaker 7: look at the sunshine. Laying by the pool. He said,

1504
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:38,240
Speaker 7: just lay back, man and get a tan. And I

1505
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:40,640
Speaker 7: looked at him. I said, Bill, do.

1506
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:41,840
Speaker 1: I look like I.

1507
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:45,320
Speaker 2: Was born with a team, you know?

1508
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:49,800
Speaker 7: And you know, he just started laughing. And then everything

1509
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:52,480
Speaker 7: worked out. I came back and started playing and Roger

1510
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:55,520
Speaker 7: Theater actually when we wanted the Super Bowl here, he

1511
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:58,200
Speaker 7: was the first coach to call me and told me that,

1512
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:01,680
Speaker 7: you know, he was wrong, he know. But and after that,

1513
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:04,720
Speaker 7: when it folded, Joe Gibbs called me again.

1514
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it just seems like you had such

1515
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:10,360
Speaker 1: a great relationship with It's still so great relationship. He

1516
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 1: called me.

1517
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:14,000
Speaker 7: He asked me, could Joe Joe Thiamond just hurt it?

1518
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:17,680
Speaker 7: I ain't go the year before uh and he asked

1519
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:20,240
Speaker 7: me could I come to Washington to be a backup

1520
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 7: Jay Trader? What's going to be the start? And I

1521
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:25,000
Speaker 7: told coach, I said, Coach, I can be in it up.

1522
01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:28,520
Speaker 7: You won't because I don't have a job. So I

1523
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:31,000
Speaker 7: came in eighty six through one pass in eighty six

1524
01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:33,440
Speaker 7: and I was a backup and.

1525
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:36,240
Speaker 1: Then the rest is history. Yeah, rest history. So given

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Speaker 1: all of that wealth of experience and knowledge, all the

1527
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:40,880
Speaker 1: stories you guys just shared, we got all these rookies

1528
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:43,000
Speaker 1: coming in. They're going through their first OTA, is their

1529
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:45,439
Speaker 1: first season coming up. Is there any advice you would

1530
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:47,120
Speaker 1: give me? Say, man, I got this piece of advice

1531
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:48,600
Speaker 1: back in the day, and I wish I would have

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01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:49,680
Speaker 1: had and I want to give it to you now.

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01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:53,960
Speaker 4: It's crazy because I got so much from older guys,

1534
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:55,640
Speaker 4: and I was one of those guys that play on

1535
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:58,920
Speaker 4: the team with a bunch of veterans. One of the

1536
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:01,640
Speaker 4: things that I would say that I didn't do initially

1537
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:04,080
Speaker 4: and I had to get hurt. I had to go

1538
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:06,000
Speaker 4: through a lot of stuff I went through to understand

1539
01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:09,440
Speaker 4: it is let it slow down, like like.

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Speaker 2: Soak it up.

1541
01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:10,720
Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 4: I never I never sat still and said okay, I'm here.

1543
01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:18,040
Speaker 4: I never embraced it as a guy that had to

1544
01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:20,120
Speaker 4: just say okay. I tried to come in this thing

1545
01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 4: full speed running like it was just me coming from

1546
01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:25,640
Speaker 4: college and it's just another day in practice.

1547
01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:28,080
Speaker 3: I never just sat and let it all soak up.

1548
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:30,000
Speaker 4: I never soaked the moment up, so I would tell

1549
01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:32,480
Speaker 4: him to soak it up and don't be so fast,

1550
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:35,040
Speaker 4: like trust me, like Wayne Qubeck, you just say stuff

1551
01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:37,560
Speaker 4: to me. Marvin Jones used to say stuff to me.

1552
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:39,760
Speaker 4: Mo Lewis, you just say stuff to me. And I

1553
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:42,120
Speaker 4: was just, man, I ain't listening to the old heads.

1554
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:44,560
Speaker 4: But I didn't listen to Wayne a lot because he

1555
01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 4: was a receiver. So I'm gonna watch the guy who

1556
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:49,480
Speaker 4: you know, who's telling me all this stuff. But when

1557
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:52,160
Speaker 4: I got through a year or so, I looked back

1558
01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:53,360
Speaker 4: at it, and I'm like, you know what they was

1559
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:56,040
Speaker 4: telling me things that was gonna be official. So I

1560
01:05:56,080 --> 01:05:58,120
Speaker 4: would just say, listen to these old heads, man, listen

1561
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:00,920
Speaker 4: to whatever person and that's trying to give you the

1562
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:02,520
Speaker 4: best advice, and just just soak it up.

1563
01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:02,720
Speaker 1: Man.

1564
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 4: Don't think you got to come in here and you know,

1565
01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:08,480
Speaker 4: go so fast and be that guy. You know it's

1566
01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:09,840
Speaker 4: gonna happen, but it takes time.

1567
01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:13,800
Speaker 2: You Finnah, get your education in football. Like this what

1568
01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:16,080
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell him right now, Like because we all

1569
01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:20,520
Speaker 2: leave college, its demand and we think we're at the

1570
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:24,360
Speaker 2: top our game until you actually practice with pros like

1571
01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:27,640
Speaker 2: so at the end of the day, understand you still

1572
01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:31,400
Speaker 2: got so far to go. Like most people that at

1573
01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:34,560
Speaker 2: our draft class that I failed, I think they failed

1574
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:36,560
Speaker 2: because they thought they had already made it and we

1575
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:39,880
Speaker 2: hadn't done nothing yet. Your stack line in the league today,

1576
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:43,600
Speaker 2: you get here zero zero zero zero zero. Until you

1577
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:46,800
Speaker 2: build that resume slowly, until you understand this game. And

1578
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:50,080
Speaker 2: Twna said something, until this game slowed down for you,

1579
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:52,160
Speaker 2: you will never be to reach your peak.

1580
01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:55,760
Speaker 7: Yeah, Dorg, what you got? I think the same thing basically,

1581
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:58,959
Speaker 7: you know. I mean they got to understand that those

1582
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:02,040
Speaker 7: people that played the game before them and played it well,

1583
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:04,720
Speaker 7: and just because you hear it don't mean that you

1584
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:07,280
Speaker 7: made it. I mean, no matter what your first round

1585
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:09,920
Speaker 7: or your seven round, you still got to learn how

1586
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:12,040
Speaker 7: to play the game. And I think the most important

1587
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:15,800
Speaker 7: thing is get into playbook, get your mind in it.

1588
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:17,800
Speaker 7: Don't worry about all the things out there. You know,

1589
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:19,920
Speaker 7: the money is a little different now. A lot of

1590
01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:22,600
Speaker 7: guys different. A lot of guys think they got the money,

1591
01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:24,520
Speaker 7: they can do whatever they want to do. Forget about

1592
01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:27,120
Speaker 7: the playbook, and that's where they lose it at. And

1593
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:29,280
Speaker 7: I think that's the most important thing is the know

1594
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:32,920
Speaker 7: everything that you're supposed to know about your position, and

1595
01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:35,600
Speaker 7: then the guy next to you, because you're going to

1596
01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:36,320
Speaker 7: be working together.

1597
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:39,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I would just reiterate that it's just the professionalists,

1598
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:41,840
Speaker 1: you know, like you're a professional football player for a reason,

1599
01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:45,520
Speaker 1: like you know, the nightlife, girls, the women in the cars,

1600
01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:46,960
Speaker 1: all that stuff's going to be there, like this is

1601
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:48,880
Speaker 1: here for a short period of time, So take care

1602
01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:50,840
Speaker 1: of business while you can take care of it. Doug,

1603
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:53,440
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us. I can't wait

1604
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:55,360
Speaker 1: to listen to that Hells Tales podcast. Right, we got

1605
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:57,480
Speaker 1: you on their, We got Dexter Manley stories, we got

1606
01:07:57,560 --> 01:07:59,640
Speaker 1: Joe Gibbs stuff, we got the dentist that did your

1607
01:07:59,720 --> 01:08:03,200
Speaker 1: rook He talks on there, Yeah, talks, Yeah, gives the

1608
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:04,560
Speaker 1: whole inside information on there.

1609
01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:04,800
Speaker 3: Wow.

1610
01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:07,120
Speaker 1: So that comes out the first week of July. Make

1611
01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:09,120
Speaker 1: sure you like and subscribe wherever you get your podcast

1612
01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:11,200
Speaker 1: to make sure you don't miss that, because that's excellent stuff.

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01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:13,760
Speaker 2: And uh, that's it, Jackson State.

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Speaker 1: The views and opinions expressed by our podcast guests and

1615
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:25,000
Speaker 1: or hosts are their own and do not necessarily reflect

1616
01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:27,760
Speaker 1: the views or positions of the Washington commanders or any

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