WEBVTT - #490 - Maggie Rose on Being Nominated for a Grammy This Year After Being Dropped from Her Label + Performing While Pregnant + Getting to Do Late Night for the First Time 0:00:06.760 --> 0:00:09.560 I think Seth England had a falling out with Morgan 0:00:09.600 --> 0:00:12.000 Ballin freaked out and dropped me and a lot of 0:00:12.039 --> 0:00:14.640 other people who had stuff going on. And I also 0:00:14.720 --> 0:00:17.040 think that they realized that they didn't have the capacity 0:00:17.320 --> 0:00:21.079 within their staff to work the kind of music I 0:00:21.120 --> 0:00:22.119 was releasing. 0:00:24.600 --> 0:00:27.400 Episode four to ninety with Maggie Rose, who's really one 0:00:27.400 --> 0:00:30.760 of the best singers in town, and she definitely chose 0:00:30.760 --> 0:00:32.839 her own path to do it. She's always been kind 0:00:32.840 --> 0:00:36.479 of on the fringe of what is considered mainstream, and 0:00:36.479 --> 0:00:38.880 that's always what's made her so cool, kind of ahead 0:00:38.880 --> 0:00:42.839 of her time even And what's hilarious we talk about this, Well, 0:00:42.920 --> 0:00:45.360 she got a Grammy nomination, and that's not hilarious, but 0:00:45.440 --> 0:00:47.840 what happened right before the Grammy nomination, So I don't 0:00:47.840 --> 0:00:50.120 want to spoil what we talked about in this episode, 0:00:50.440 --> 0:00:53.720 but she was just nominated for Grammy for Best Americana Album, 0:00:53.960 --> 0:00:57.400 which is super cool. What was fun to me, Like 0:00:57.480 --> 0:00:59.680 I've known Maggie for a decade. It's crazy to say 0:00:59.680 --> 0:01:01.560 that word because I've even been here for a decade. 0:01:01.680 --> 0:01:03.440 But when I first moved to town and we were touring, 0:01:03.480 --> 0:01:05.520 she was on the road with us a lot, and 0:01:05.760 --> 0:01:07.680 I didn't know some of the stories that she told 0:01:07.840 --> 0:01:11.400 from pre me moving here, Like I didn't know that 0:01:11.520 --> 0:01:15.399 she had a whole different name. Yeah, I had no idea. 0:01:16.080 --> 0:01:19.759 So Maggie Rose, I'm super happy for her. I think 0:01:19.800 --> 0:01:21.120 she had some stuff she wanted to get off her 0:01:21.160 --> 0:01:22.920 chest here as well. Yeah, I could tell us. She'd 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:25.640 be like, wait to talk about that stuff. Honored. She 0:01:25.680 --> 0:01:27.399 wanted to do it here with me, and she trusted 0:01:27.440 --> 0:01:30.440 me that, you know, I would walk through her with it. 0:01:31.600 --> 0:01:34.040 I you know, full transparency. Had had some talks with 0:01:34.080 --> 0:01:36.679 her about it during the process where she'd call and 0:01:36.760 --> 0:01:38.880 be like, what do you think? And I'm no expert 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:41.440 on record labels for sure, but that even that really 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:42.760 wasn't what I was talking to her about. It was 0:01:42.800 --> 0:01:45.920 kind of like, don't worry about other folks at all, 0:01:45.959 --> 0:01:48.600 Like do you and let all the chips fall? At 0:01:48.640 --> 0:01:51.440 least you can be proud of that. But man, she's awesome. 0:01:51.680 --> 0:01:54.080 On January tenth, she released a cover of I Can't 0:01:54.080 --> 0:01:57.320 Make You Love Me featuring Vince Gill. I Can't Make 0:01:57.520 --> 0:01:59.520 You Love Me? Maybe I should do a cover of 0:01:59.520 --> 0:02:02.800 that with Maggie very Good featuring featuring Maggie No One 0:02:02.880 --> 0:02:05.240 Gets out Alive. That's a record. I hope you check 0:02:05.240 --> 0:02:07.720 it out. I hope you like this interview. She's expecting 0:02:07.760 --> 0:02:10.960 a baby April with her husband Austin Marshall. She has 0:02:10.960 --> 0:02:13.280 a podcast called Salute the Songbird, and she's all over 0:02:13.280 --> 0:02:16.240 the road. And here she is on Instagram at I 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:18.720 am Maggie Rose. Here is Maggie Rose. 0:02:19.560 --> 0:02:23.920 A lot of labels would say like, we love what 0:02:23.960 --> 0:02:25.600 you do, we just don't know what to do with you. 0:02:25.680 --> 0:02:27.440 And I would be met with that all the time. 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:33.440 And so I think you just got to keep making music. Well, 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:37.040 and you know, this whole Big Loud thing, Like I talked. 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:40.360 To you after that happened, And do you want to 0:02:40.360 --> 0:02:42.360 say what that is before you talk about it? Do 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:43.760 you mind talking what saying? 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:45.520 Well, I haven't gotten to talk about it. 0:02:45.560 --> 0:02:46.640 Would you like to talk about it? 0:02:46.800 --> 0:02:47.320 Yeah? 0:02:47.600 --> 0:02:50.799 So then let's let's back up. And first of all, 0:02:50.800 --> 0:02:55.320 Big Loud is a label. Yes, it's also management. It's all. 0:02:55.320 --> 0:02:55.760 It's a thing. 0:02:55.800 --> 0:02:58.840 But they signed you, they signed me, and like they are, 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:05.600 you know, by all conventional standards, crushing it. They at 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:08.320 the time that I signed with them, had Morgan Wallen 0:03:08.560 --> 0:03:14.639 and Hardy and Earnest, and they were trying to expand 0:03:15.120 --> 0:03:17.600 and I had already made No One Gets Out Alive. 0:03:18.160 --> 0:03:22.080 The record was done, it was mastered. I was probably 0:03:22.120 --> 0:03:24.440 going to just release it the way I'd released my 0:03:24.520 --> 0:03:28.239 previous two albums, which is change the whole thing. 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:30.440 No no, no, you say, released it as you did 0:03:30.440 --> 0:03:31.600 your last two albums. 0:03:31.240 --> 0:03:35.000 Just independently, like with A. I have a good team 0:03:35.080 --> 0:03:38.400 of publicists and distributors, and you know, we would hire 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:41.520 independent promotion and everything more for Triple A Radio and 0:03:42.400 --> 0:03:48.600 Americana focuses. But Nate Yetton heard this record and he 0:03:48.680 --> 0:03:51.680 was hired as an A and R, which is kind 0:03:51.680 --> 0:03:54.120 of the could be the coolest job ever. Your job 0:03:54.160 --> 0:03:55.680 is to cultivate. 0:03:55.920 --> 0:03:57.600 Yeah, let's go find it and build it. 0:03:58.160 --> 0:04:01.960 He His specific Fick objective with Big Loud was to 0:04:02.880 --> 0:04:09.600 broaden their musical roster to find critical acclaim Like he 0:04:09.720 --> 0:04:13.160 told me and my husband Austin, He's like, you know, 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:14.440 we want a Grammy. 0:04:14.680 --> 0:04:20.320 Critical acclaim by the way, artists that you're respected for 0:04:20.400 --> 0:04:23.560 having but may not be commercially as viable. But you're like, 0:04:23.600 --> 0:04:27.320 they're really good and the critics love them. But and 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:30.720 there's a difference but they wanted something that wasn't populous. 0:04:30.920 --> 0:04:33.360 Yes type, because Morgan's killing a Harty's killing it, and 0:04:33.480 --> 0:04:36.600 people will be like, well, you got people that are 0:04:36.600 --> 0:04:40.200 making hits. They wanted a symphony. Yeah, and that's you. 0:04:40.240 --> 0:04:40.880 They wanted you. 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:45.520 I was totally flattered and inspired by the vision and 0:04:45.600 --> 0:04:49.960 it was surprising to me. I don't feel like I 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:54.039 was definitely the outlier on their roster, and in terms 0:04:54.080 --> 0:04:58.480 of critical acclaim like, no, I'm not shy about saying 0:04:58.520 --> 0:05:00.760 that we've had no shortage of that the last couple 0:05:00.800 --> 0:05:02.760 of records. And that goes back to your question about 0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:06.880 you know, frustration and myself and people. It's like, yeah, 0:05:06.960 --> 0:05:07.480 that was there. 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:09.359 But I think credibility is another word I would use. 0:05:09.480 --> 0:05:10.560 Not to interrupt you, I just want to make sure 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:12.320 our audience knows what's going on. I think they wanted 0:05:12.360 --> 0:05:16.800 credibility from music with depth. Yeah, not that the other 0:05:16.839 --> 0:05:20.040 guys don't have it, but they're killing it again, I 0:05:20.160 --> 0:05:23.320 use work populous in a very populous way. They want 0:05:23.320 --> 0:05:25.159 a credibility, right, Yeah. 0:05:25.279 --> 0:05:28.039 When I think they're a young enough company that that 0:05:28.200 --> 0:05:31.040 was the right time for them to then take that 0:05:31.040 --> 0:05:33.039 step in the direction to say okay, we can do 0:05:33.120 --> 0:05:38.080 more than just have these massive streaming darlings and you know, 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:41.800 go direct to consumer and have a hit. And I 0:05:41.839 --> 0:05:45.920 have no doubt that they love this record. Like that's 0:05:46.000 --> 0:05:50.719 not something that I negate and I appreciate their vision 0:05:50.760 --> 0:05:54.680 in it, but like it was an undeniable offer. It 0:05:54.760 --> 0:05:59.120 was like, we're going to acquire this whole album. We 0:05:59.240 --> 0:06:03.600 made beautiful music videos, We did all this incredible artwork 0:06:03.680 --> 0:06:08.600 and packaging, you know, with Sofia Matanezade and Nikki Fletcher 0:06:08.600 --> 0:06:12.560 shooting these videos, and they talked about partnering with Polydor 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:14.800 out of UK and just how like this was going 0:06:14.880 --> 0:06:22.000 to be, you know, an adult contemporary pop album, and 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:24.400 they were really going to strategize on the marketing plan, 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:25.160 like and. 0:06:25.120 --> 0:06:28.120 They were promising and using resources, yes, and. 0:06:28.080 --> 0:06:32.039 It wasn't like they implemented those resources in a lot 0:06:32.040 --> 0:06:35.360 of ways. And you know, I'd already waited to put 0:06:35.440 --> 0:06:39.919 this music out, so with that promise of this plan, 0:06:40.480 --> 0:06:42.800 I waited a little longer. And it came out in 0:06:42.839 --> 0:06:49.279 April of twenty four and they put billboards all over 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:52.320 East Nashville, and we did these showcases in New York 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:58.320 City in LA and you know, we got on like 0:06:58.400 --> 0:07:02.800 these great reviews upon the release, and then it was 0:07:02.839 --> 0:07:04.760 like radio silence, which is. 0:07:04.720 --> 0:07:06.560 What they were looking for, by the way, to have 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:10.400 an artist that would be reviewed wonderfully by critics. Right, 0:07:10.520 --> 0:07:14.360 this this snobby part which is important. Yeah, yeah, the 0:07:14.400 --> 0:07:16.480 people that. Yeah, so so you get ever, you get 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:19.960 what they brought you to do. You've created something, and 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:22.160 what you created was exactly what they had asked you 0:07:22.200 --> 0:07:24.080 to do. You went and did it all and then 0:07:24.800 --> 0:07:27.000 silent Yeah from who what do you mean? Silent? 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:31.200 Like from And there's a lot of people like I 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:35.560 think Candice Watkins is amazing there. She was really engaged, 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:38.760 and I'm not sure that she she liked me. I 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:42.640 think was blindsided about the whole thing. But I'm out 0:07:42.640 --> 0:07:44.280 on the road. I'm on the No One Gets Out 0:07:44.320 --> 0:07:49.560 Alive tour. I find out that like some of the 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:53.800 digital marketing spending is comparable to like what I did 0:07:53.800 --> 0:07:56.600 on my own with one song on the previous record, 0:07:57.200 --> 0:08:00.800 And it's like all this investment leading up to the 0:08:00.880 --> 0:08:05.320 release and then it's like someone freaked out or something happened, 0:08:07.200 --> 0:08:09.840 and I can speculate, and I can only speculate because 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:12.520 no one's called me and told me what's happened? 0:08:12.800 --> 0:08:13.880 What happened? 0:08:14.080 --> 0:08:17.240 I think Seth England had a falling out with Morgan 0:08:17.280 --> 0:08:21.440 Ballin and freaked out and dropped me and a lot 0:08:21.440 --> 0:08:24.280 of other people who had stuff going on. And I 0:08:24.320 --> 0:08:26.200 also think that they realized that they didn't have the 0:08:26.240 --> 0:08:32.120 capacity within their staff to work the kind of music 0:08:32.200 --> 0:08:36.040 I was releasing. So they are great with Spotify and 0:08:36.080 --> 0:08:39.199 these streaming services and all that stuff, but like the 0:08:39.320 --> 0:08:42.480 nuance that they talked about using with this music, they 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:45.480 didn't have it. They just didn't have the stuff. And 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:50.320 it was three months after we put this record out. Like, 0:08:50.360 --> 0:08:53.199 it can't be based on metrics. It can't be based 0:08:53.240 --> 0:08:56.200 on analytics of how the music is performing. It hasn't 0:08:56.200 --> 0:08:57.240 even been out long enough. 0:08:58.000 --> 0:08:59.439 So I want to speculate, and I want to be 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:01.800 a very uneducated with my speculation. And if I'm wrong, 0:09:02.320 --> 0:09:02.920 tell me I'm wrong. 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:05.080 Yeah, they can call me if they want to correct me. 0:09:05.640 --> 0:09:06.640 I'd happily here. 0:09:06.800 --> 0:09:08.600 Well I know less than you because I'm not involved 0:09:08.640 --> 0:09:11.920 in this. But when you say Seth and Morgan had 0:09:11.920 --> 0:09:15.559 a falling out, my belief is Morgan did not want 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:19.480 to be managed anymore by Big Loud, which was his label, 0:09:19.800 --> 0:09:23.760 and they have a multi if I'm right, they manage, 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:29.800 they produce, they do it all. And to lose that money. 0:09:30.040 --> 0:09:33.360 If Morgan's like, it's devastating, devastating, because I'll just talk 0:09:33.400 --> 0:09:40.440 about my management. My management makes RAG makes ten fifteen percent. Yeah, 0:09:40.520 --> 0:09:43.320 so think about that millions of dollars and fifteen percent 0:09:43.360 --> 0:09:45.480 of that is now gone. And again they may have 0:09:45.520 --> 0:09:50.079 had a deal where instead of the twenty five or whatever, 0:09:50.520 --> 0:09:52.120 we'll just say fifteen percent because that's what I know. 0:09:52.320 --> 0:09:54.760 That's a lot of money, Yeah, which I'm sure they 0:09:54.880 --> 0:09:58.880 are budgeting to have and to use in other places, 0:09:58.880 --> 0:10:00.840 and now they don't have it. I guess what sucks 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:03.360 is you weren't communicated that. 0:10:04.000 --> 0:10:09.000 No. I felt like I was. Also, they were signing 0:10:09.080 --> 0:10:12.880 up a storm, like there were so many new acts 0:10:12.880 --> 0:10:19.080 getting signed after my initial signing, and I felt like 0:10:19.960 --> 0:10:23.040 my guy Nate Gyetten, who I felt I was very 0:10:23.040 --> 0:10:26.640 close to, like he took his eye off the ball. 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:29.280 For sure, on you because of they were signing everyone 0:10:29.280 --> 0:10:31.160 else or because they had not figure how to make money. 0:10:31.160 --> 0:10:34.560 You think, well, I think he was very ambitious about 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:38.560 finding these new acts to build the roster. And you 0:10:38.600 --> 0:10:41.560 know that is his prerogative and that was his job 0:10:41.600 --> 0:10:44.080 and what he was asked to do. But there were 0:10:44.200 --> 0:10:47.439 I look back at, like my correspondence, like I was 0:10:47.480 --> 0:10:53.160 sending new songs for just starting to toss out stuff 0:10:53.160 --> 0:10:55.760 that I'd want to record for the next project, and 0:10:56.720 --> 0:10:58.520 like not really getting a lot of engagement. 0:10:58.800 --> 0:11:02.559 What would your team sake if that happens, And it's 0:11:02.559 --> 0:11:04.959 happened a version of this has happened with me and 0:11:05.040 --> 0:11:07.600 TV Networks, Right if I become not the shiny toy, 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:11.720 two different things. You know, they don't call back as much, 0:11:11.800 --> 0:11:13.760 they won't answer, So I'll just go to my team, like, hey, 0:11:13.760 --> 0:11:15.920 what's up. If you're doing that with your team, what 0:11:15.960 --> 0:11:16.600 are they telling you? 0:11:17.400 --> 0:11:21.600 Well, I think we did talk to them. I had 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:26.800 a show in May in Nashville, and you know, Austin 0:11:27.679 --> 0:11:32.559 sat down with Candace and was like, what's going on, 0:11:32.760 --> 0:11:34.839 Like we just feel like there's a lag in communication 0:11:34.960 --> 0:11:37.400 where it was full court press leading up to that, 0:11:38.120 --> 0:11:42.280 and Candace said, this record's a baby, like we're just 0:11:42.280 --> 0:11:47.560 getting started, and that immediately put us at ease, and like, 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:50.960 I thought this was my home for a long time 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:53.839 based on the creative freedom they had given me. How 0:11:53.920 --> 0:11:55.200 much I knew that they. 0:11:55.120 --> 0:11:57.280 Love this record money they'd spent. 0:11:57.840 --> 0:12:00.800 Yeah, I mean, and I've gotten all those masters back. 0:12:01.440 --> 0:12:04.440 I've gotten all those assets back. They made me whole lot. 0:12:04.520 --> 0:12:05.320 Did you have to buy back? 0:12:05.559 --> 0:12:11.920 No, I did, like a royalty override, which I think 0:12:12.000 --> 0:12:16.760 that's pretty telling too, that it was that I was 0:12:16.800 --> 0:12:18.600 able to reacquire all of that. 0:12:18.880 --> 0:12:20.160 Explain a royalty override. 0:12:20.559 --> 0:12:23.560 So basically, if they want to see any of the 0:12:23.640 --> 0:12:27.800 returns on their investment, that music has to perform well, 0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:31.760 and they get like the investment that maybe I made 0:12:31.760 --> 0:12:34.520 in the recording and a little bit of interest on 0:12:34.600 --> 0:12:37.319 top of that, but not on the videos, not on 0:12:37.400 --> 0:12:40.160 like all this other stuff. So it really is a shame. 0:12:40.400 --> 0:12:43.440 I wanted to win with them, and I ended up 0:12:43.440 --> 0:12:47.520 submitting for the Grammys by myself. But I get to 0:12:47.600 --> 0:12:51.360 take all of those things, and I've gone to I've 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:54.880 signed now with one Riot and Virgin Music Group, and 0:12:54.920 --> 0:12:57.080 now they get to use all that stuff that I 0:12:57.120 --> 0:13:02.520 got to make with Loud, but also with the creative 0:13:02.520 --> 0:13:05.480 director and music video director who were outsourced, who I 0:13:05.559 --> 0:13:07.040 have relationships with already. 0:13:07.080 --> 0:13:09.440 Anyway, how did the conversation, When did the conversation happen? 0:13:09.480 --> 0:13:11.840 Where it's like, Okay, we're breaking up, because again it 0:13:11.840 --> 0:13:14.080 sounds like they were kicking they can't or they just 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:15.839 didn't want to have that difficult conversation with. 0:13:15.840 --> 0:13:20.319 You they didn't have it, or it was July twenty second. 0:13:20.720 --> 0:13:25.079 I had gotten back from a pretty gnarly run. It 0:13:25.200 --> 0:13:27.920 was a tough My sound guy was sick, it was 0:13:28.880 --> 0:13:32.680 the gigs were tough. And then that Monday morning, I 0:13:32.720 --> 0:13:36.240 go into Narvel Blackstock's office. Noarvel's been managing me with 0:13:36.320 --> 0:13:39.320 Austin for eight years now, and he's a pro, like 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:42.439 he was married to Reba and he's seen it all. 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:46.600 And I sit in his office and his eyes are 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:50.200 so watery, and I'm just like, oh God, what is 0:13:50.480 --> 0:13:52.360 what am I about to hear? I thought I was 0:13:52.360 --> 0:13:55.880 going to hear news. I didn't know what I was 0:13:55.920 --> 0:13:58.679 going to hear. And he just said, I've been holding 0:13:58.720 --> 0:14:01.400 this all weekend last third. I went to the office 0:14:01.480 --> 0:14:05.240 and Big Loud and I sat with Seth and Nate 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:09.760 and we walked into the conference room kind of made 0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:12.960 small talk. We're figuring out how to work the lights. 0:14:13.040 --> 0:14:16.200 And then after we got done talking about postmone or 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:18.520 whatever they said, I say, so we're not moving forward 0:14:18.559 --> 0:14:21.640 with Maggie, and he said he was just in a daze, 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:25.040 like didn't even know how to respond because it was 0:14:25.120 --> 0:14:29.880 such a quick, like abrupt cutting off of this long 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:32.760 term plan, like it took us longer to negotiate this deal. 0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:36.800 I feel like then I was actually with them, and 0:14:38.120 --> 0:14:40.080 I really felt and I'm not this is not my 0:14:40.120 --> 0:14:43.640 first time around the block, like I'm not so trusting 0:14:44.040 --> 0:14:50.880 of any organization, and I really do feel like I 0:14:50.960 --> 0:14:53.800 had friendships at this at this label, and we all 0:14:53.800 --> 0:14:57.880 were excited about the opportunity, and then it just was 0:14:57.920 --> 0:15:02.760 like like I even feel some part of my heart 0:15:02.800 --> 0:15:06.160 feels sympathy for Nate, even though I wish he had 0:15:06.200 --> 0:15:10.240 communicated with me more. That like this was pulled on 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:15.160 him quickly, and Marvelle finally said he snapped back into 0:15:15.240 --> 0:15:17.080 it and was like, well, you're gonna give her a 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:19.960 master's back, right. They didn't even have a plan for that. 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:23.600 So it took about six weeks to figure that out. 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:28.560 And I still hadn't heard directly from anyone, No one 0:15:28.640 --> 0:15:29.160 talked to me. 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:31.760 That part, to me, is crazy. 0:15:31.840 --> 0:15:35.280 I just that's I do not operate that way. Ghosting 0:15:35.440 --> 0:15:39.480 and all that crazy stuff is like I don't know. 0:15:39.560 --> 0:15:45.000 It's like for early twenties dating behavior. It's not how 0:15:45.000 --> 0:15:51.480 you conduct business. And I like, obviously I'm still sore 0:15:51.520 --> 0:15:54.960 about it, and I have all these great things to 0:15:55.280 --> 0:15:58.400 have ended the year with, but it's and then I 0:15:58.440 --> 0:16:01.360 found out two weeks later I was pregnant, and it 0:16:01.480 --> 0:16:07.040 was just like, you know, truly, not that that wasn't 0:16:07.240 --> 0:16:10.520 an amazing, happy piece of news, but it was definitely 0:16:10.560 --> 0:16:12.720 like an oh crap. 0:16:14.400 --> 0:16:18.960 Yeah, So what kind of closure do you feel like? Now, 0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:21.240 I'm not gonna say neat because you don't need it, 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:23.840 but what kind of closure would you like? 0:16:26.280 --> 0:16:29.560 I think I've gotten it in so many ways. I 0:16:29.600 --> 0:16:32.080 love my new team. 0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:35.040 Yeah, there's still resentment there. I'd be way worse than you. 0:16:35.240 --> 0:16:38.600 I mean I would be I'd be on fire. 0:16:38.640 --> 0:16:43.360 Still, you know, I did get a text and I 0:16:43.440 --> 0:16:46.440 usually don't get into this kind of like conversation talking 0:16:46.480 --> 0:16:49.880 about texts and correspondence, but it is that's everything at 0:16:49.920 --> 0:16:52.080 the end of the day. Like I've worked with so 0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:57.600 many people over all these years I've been here, and 0:16:57.680 --> 0:17:00.880 not a whole lot of bridges burned because there's mutual respect. 0:17:01.200 --> 0:17:05.159 If we had gone through the process of really working 0:17:05.160 --> 0:17:07.920 this music and it just didn't work, and we had 0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:13.159 to say, like, all right, like we tried, then that 0:17:13.200 --> 0:17:16.359 would be fine. Or if they leveled with me and said, 0:17:18.280 --> 0:17:22.040 this is happening with us, and you know, apparently there 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:26.240 was some suggestion this has nothing to do with Maggie 0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:29.879 Da Da Da too, Norvel, but they left me open 0:17:29.920 --> 0:17:32.040 to all this speculation. I think I said this to 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:35.919 you when I was trying to deal with like what 0:17:36.000 --> 0:17:39.280 are people thinking out there about this? They left me 0:17:39.359 --> 0:17:43.040 open to people just kind of wondering, oh, what did 0:17:43.080 --> 0:17:47.840 she do to mess that up? Because no one they 0:17:47.880 --> 0:17:50.119 just didn't say anything. It's like, we put this record 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:53.200 out in such a big way or what could have 0:17:53.280 --> 0:17:57.639 been a big way, and then we just weren't working 0:17:57.680 --> 0:18:01.920 together anymore. And the text I finally got in September 0:18:02.760 --> 0:18:06.960 from Nate probably instigated by the fact that other artists 0:18:06.960 --> 0:18:09.240 at Big Loud were starting to figure out. They're like, wait, 0:18:09.280 --> 0:18:13.280 what the hell happened? It was like urging him to 0:18:13.400 --> 0:18:16.040 then finally reach out. He's like, sorry, we haven't spoken 0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:19.480 since we parted ways. I just was told not to 0:18:19.480 --> 0:18:21.800 reach out until we reached a master's agreement. Well, at 0:18:21.800 --> 0:18:24.760 that point we had reached it. A long time ago, 0:18:24.880 --> 0:18:29.280 and the implication of parting ways is so such a 0:18:29.280 --> 0:18:31.520 cop out to me because it would imply that it 0:18:31.560 --> 0:18:36.080 was mutual and that it was humane and that it 0:18:36.160 --> 0:18:38.640 was done with respect. So I guess that's the closure. 0:18:38.720 --> 0:18:43.720 It's like, let's not rewrite the narrative this was. This 0:18:43.840 --> 0:18:50.640 could have been a really devastating blow to my career, 0:18:50.960 --> 0:18:54.639 to my will to keep doing this. And I think 0:18:54.720 --> 0:18:58.320 about other artists who were dropped from Big Loud around 0:18:58.359 --> 0:19:00.480 the same time, who, like I would I could sit 0:19:00.560 --> 0:19:04.560 down and talk to because they might be attributing so 0:19:04.680 --> 0:19:07.800 much value to that opportunity that was given to them 0:19:08.119 --> 0:19:10.480 and then have it taken away and that could be 0:19:10.520 --> 0:19:13.800 such a deterrent for them to keep making music in 0:19:13.880 --> 0:19:17.560 the future. And it's just like, there are there are 0:19:18.000 --> 0:19:19.840 repercussions for doing that to people. 0:19:20.000 --> 0:19:22.159 Do you just wish you knew why? Like if someone 0:19:22.200 --> 0:19:24.440 that made the decision would say, all right, for real, 0:19:24.480 --> 0:19:27.560 here's the thing. Either nice, you know it's good we 0:19:27.640 --> 0:19:30.879 thought you were, yeah, or we're not making it as 0:19:30.920 --> 0:19:32.440 much much as thought we would and we couldn't afford 0:19:32.440 --> 0:19:35.560 it like that. I feel like that would be nice. Yeah, 0:19:35.760 --> 0:19:37.840 just that whatever it is, like the real answer. 0:19:38.400 --> 0:19:44.440 Yeah, I I think I want to know what they 0:19:44.440 --> 0:19:46.760 think their reasons were. But if it were any of 0:19:46.800 --> 0:19:53.240 those reasons, I mean we're getting all the things that 0:19:53.280 --> 0:19:57.960 they wanted in terms of critical claim or validation, and 0:19:58.000 --> 0:20:04.360 then in terms of performance find financially like how premature 0:20:04.760 --> 0:20:05.960 well the move to make. 0:20:05.920 --> 0:20:08.600 And unfair if that's what they're saying, because again they 0:20:08.680 --> 0:20:11.520 knew going into it. I assumed they knew going into 0:20:11.520 --> 0:20:14.399 it that again they wanted critical acclaim and it's not 0:20:14.440 --> 0:20:16.480 like an n Sync album. This does two million records 0:20:16.480 --> 0:20:19.720 in the first week, right with critical acclaim that takes 0:20:19.760 --> 0:20:23.040 a while, which is why that can't possibly beat it 0:20:23.440 --> 0:20:27.200 because it's not like you're expecting on week one streams 0:20:27.200 --> 0:20:32.119 to be able to you know, a ten multiply on 0:20:32.160 --> 0:20:35.080 the investment. So yeah, I would want to know even 0:20:35.119 --> 0:20:37.679 if it was I always don't like it anymore, like 0:20:37.720 --> 0:20:39.320 I would like to know something because I think I 0:20:39.320 --> 0:20:40.399 wouldt are doubting myself. 0:20:40.960 --> 0:20:42.919 Yeah, I mean, there was a there was a danger 0:20:42.960 --> 0:20:47.080 of that for a minute, and I mean I think 0:20:47.440 --> 0:20:54.040 I started to regain my confidence in like October, but 0:20:54.119 --> 0:20:56.720 it was also so weird because Bobby I got the 0:20:56.800 --> 0:21:00.359 Master's back and I was walking into my house and 0:21:00.440 --> 0:21:04.960 serious exem you know they do those bumpers. They're like, Hi, 0:21:05.040 --> 0:21:08.160 this is Maggie Ro's and this my song Fake Flowers, 0:21:08.280 --> 0:21:11.399 and like it was. They were playing it like every hour, 0:21:11.640 --> 0:21:15.199 and I'm busy dealing with attorneys, like just feeling like 0:21:15.800 --> 0:21:19.960 what's going on. And the first gig that we did 0:21:20.000 --> 0:21:21.679 when I got that text, I was out at the 0:21:21.680 --> 0:21:25.240 Gorge with Dave Matthews and I just felt like it 0:21:25.320 --> 0:21:28.520 was working and finally taking hold. And then all this 0:21:28.560 --> 0:21:35.720 stuff was I was navigating behind the scenes, and luckily 0:21:37.880 --> 0:21:42.600 I have such a great partnership with Austin. I love 0:21:42.680 --> 0:21:45.520 my band. I was trying not to freak them out. 0:21:45.560 --> 0:21:47.200 There was a lot that like I couldn't tell them 0:21:47.280 --> 0:21:52.200 right away, and like I love this music and people 0:21:52.280 --> 0:21:55.320 were showing up and things were happening. I felt like 0:21:55.359 --> 0:21:58.040 I was just not able and music row can be 0:21:58.080 --> 0:22:00.760 that way. They're like so in their own bubble that 0:22:01.920 --> 0:22:07.479 they don't see these other things that are happening around 0:22:07.560 --> 0:22:09.480 a lot of artists who just because they make music 0:22:09.520 --> 0:22:12.919 in Nashville, it doesn't mean that it's going to manifest 0:22:13.320 --> 0:22:16.679 or perform in those spaces the way they want it to, 0:22:16.920 --> 0:22:18.200 but it's happening elsewhere. 0:22:18.880 --> 0:22:23.480 It's I go back to Irony. You canniinated for a Grammy. 0:22:24.560 --> 0:22:30.800 That is the exact reason that that label wanted a relationship. 0:22:30.960 --> 0:22:35.160 I know, I know, I know it's weird and that's 0:22:35.440 --> 0:22:37.840 and all these award shows have their flaws, but like, 0:22:38.119 --> 0:22:41.560