WEBVTT - Killer Cuties

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Creature feature production of iHeartRadio. I'm your host

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<v Speaker 1>of Many Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied psychology and evolutionary biology,

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<v Speaker 1>and today on the show we are talking about cute, adorable, sweet,

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<v Speaker 1>patible animals, except maybe not really because they are serial killers.

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<v Speaker 1>These animals love killing and they're really good at it,

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<v Speaker 1>from little critters to animals that you might not want

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<v Speaker 1>to touch either. Joining me today is Animal Lover, children's

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<v Speaker 1>book author and writer of the book Cute Animals That

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<v Speaker 1>Could Kill You Dead, Burah Cartman.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome, Thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>This is one of my favorite topics.

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<v Speaker 2>Love.

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<v Speaker 1>I both love talking about animals that look terrifying but

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<v Speaker 1>are really sweet and wonderful, like say a whale shark

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<v Speaker 1>right looks like something that would eat you, but they're

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<v Speaker 1>really sweet. They're really hard rmless. And of course the

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<v Speaker 1>inverse of that is talking about animals that are adorable

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<v Speaker 1>but are just the most fierce little killers of.

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<v Speaker 3>The animal kingdom.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>And so your book is it's for children, so it's

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<v Speaker 1>a little more it's more focused on the animals that

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<v Speaker 1>kill other little critters like insects or other small animals.

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<v Speaker 2>Correct, that's true. I mean I tried to make it

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<v Speaker 2>fun where it's like, okay, kill you dead, maybe you

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<v Speaker 2>is sort of metaphorically like if you happen to be

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<v Speaker 2>an avid or you know, a rodench or something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>But there are a couple of animals in there that

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<v Speaker 2>you still would definitely not want to mess with that

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<v Speaker 2>if you didn't have a hospital or at least a

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<v Speaker 2>very well stocked urgent care nearby, that there was a

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<v Speaker 2>potential chance of death. Oh do tell your future.

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<v Speaker 3>Tell what's one of these?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, for instance, if you think of this low loris,

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<v Speaker 2>which I've heard is a very favorite animal of a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of kids that know what this is, a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people have no idea what this lolres is. It's

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<v Speaker 2>actually a primate. It is adorable. Like if you look

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<v Speaker 2>at this thing, it looks like it shouldn't exist. It

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<v Speaker 2>looks like nature was like, let's take a kawai anime

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<v Speaker 2>of an animal and make it exist like a poke, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's like a panda bear but like cuter. It's

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<v Speaker 2>so hard to explain until you actually look at a

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<v Speaker 2>picture of us lolrs. These are the only venomous primates,

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<v Speaker 2>and so what they do is they have a gland

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<v Speaker 2>in their armpit, and when they feel threatened, they lick

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<v Speaker 2>this gland, and the gland has toxins that they produce,

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<v Speaker 2>and then they put those toxins on their teeth, and

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<v Speaker 2>so if they bite you, it can cause this like

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<v Speaker 2>necritizing fasciatus, like a very severe like yeah, so maybe

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<v Speaker 2>not instant death, but like maybe you should go check that,

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<v Speaker 2>get that check that pretty soon.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. On a scale of one to go to the hospital,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like a twelve, right, exactly. Yes, they are extremely

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<v Speaker 1>cute and you'll see them. Actually, I've seen some videos

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<v Speaker 1>of people who bewilderingly have them as pets and they'll

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<v Speaker 1>be like lifting up their armpits and it's like, oh, look,

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<v Speaker 1>how cute that is. It's like no, that no, that's

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<v Speaker 1>he's thinking about biting you.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's an interesting point because one of the sort

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<v Speaker 2>of behind the scenes purposes of writing this book is

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<v Speaker 2>that we often see these cute animals in real life

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<v Speaker 2>because they're out in the wild or are there a zoo,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, you people like, oh, I want it

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<v Speaker 2>as a pet, and it's like, you know, they're adorable,

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<v Speaker 2>but a lot of wild animals need to just stay

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<v Speaker 2>wild and the slow Loris is one of them. They're

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<v Speaker 2>actually being traded on the illegalist sometimes illegally, on the

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<v Speaker 2>sort of this underground pet trade and what people are doing,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is kind of horrifying. They're taking out their teeth,

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<v Speaker 2>the slow Lorus's teeth, because that is how they would

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<v Speaker 2>bite you, and that's what they lick to, like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>distribute this venom. And so they're like, oh, well, I

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<v Speaker 2>want to slow Loris as a pet, I'll just take

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<v Speaker 2>out its teeth. Like it's like, no, maybe we just

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<v Speaker 2>not do that.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe we leave it not.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe we leave the slow lorises alone and let them

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<v Speaker 1>keep their teeth. Yeah. I've seen them as uh pets, unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>and I always assumed that maybe they removed like the

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<v Speaker 1>I realized they took out the teeth.

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<v Speaker 3>That's awful.

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<v Speaker 2>I think sometimes they do both. I have heard. I've

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<v Speaker 2>heard both. I was just on another podcast recently when

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<v Speaker 2>you're talking about the illegal slow Loris pet trades like

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<v Speaker 2>the dark Side, No, it's cute animals.

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<v Speaker 1>I just you know, I'm a huge advocate of pets

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<v Speaker 1>on this show in terms of the pets that are

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<v Speaker 1>have had such a long history with us, right as

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<v Speaker 1>cats and dogs. These are exactly ideal pets because dogs

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<v Speaker 1>have co evolved with us.

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<v Speaker 3>And they are so cute.

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<v Speaker 1>And cats, if you want something wild, more exotic, the cat,

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<v Speaker 1>which cats is barely domesticated, it is, and yet it's tiger.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like exactly, are like basically a tiger. If you

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<v Speaker 2>want your own tiger, just go get a house. Just

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<v Speaker 2>get a cat.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get a house cat. And it's a mutually beneficial relationship.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're feeling real wild, hamster, guinea pig, those are

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<v Speaker 1>good choices too.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a guinea pig in the cage sitting next

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<v Speaker 2>to me right now, and he would one hundred percent

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<v Speaker 2>agree with you. He would definitely not like to be

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<v Speaker 2>turned wild anytime. So it's like I've got my soft

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<v Speaker 2>fed I've got my pound of veggies that I'm given

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<v Speaker 2>on a daily basis. I've had this mound of hay

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<v Speaker 2>that i can lay in or eat as I please.

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<v Speaker 1>They're tiny cows essentially, Yeah, they are.

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<v Speaker 2>He gets kind of the run of the house. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>we let him like just kind of explore the house

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<v Speaker 2>as a leisure, but he just prefers his cage most

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<v Speaker 2>of the time. He's like dude, this is my safe zone. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so he's really would not like to be a wild

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<v Speaker 2>guinea pig anytime soon.

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<v Speaker 1>No, they're pretty content sitting there munching on their alfalfa.

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<v Speaker 1>I had a guinea pig growing up, and its favorite

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<v Speaker 1>thing to do is to run up my pant leg,

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<v Speaker 1>which it's because I think it thought it was like burrowing,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, I would scratch the heck out of

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<v Speaker 1>my cat.

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<v Speaker 3>My leg, so it's not it's not super comfortable.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah. So my feeling is that there are a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of pets that already exist that that need homes.

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<v Speaker 1>Right you go to your local shelter, there are tons

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<v Speaker 1>of pets that need.

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<v Speaker 3>Homes, tons of them so cute.

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<v Speaker 1>That doesn't require you to remove their teeth so they

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<v Speaker 1>don't bite you because they want to invenimate you because

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<v Speaker 1>they're scared of you.

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<v Speaker 2>So, and you're not buying them on an illegal like

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<v Speaker 2>black market pet train. You're just going to your shelter.

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<v Speaker 2>You're rescuing animals that already need homes. They want to

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<v Speaker 2>live in your home with you. You are doing them

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<v Speaker 2>a favor. So please go rescue all the animals that

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<v Speaker 2>need actually rescued. Now as far as this lolors goes,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, they do need assistance in that their habitat

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<v Speaker 2>is endangered because you know, deforestation and all that fun

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<v Speaker 2>not so fun really stuff. But then that's where you

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<v Speaker 2>have like sanctuaries and wildlife Protection Acts and things like that,

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<v Speaker 2>like donate to those places, like support those places. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>go visit your local wildlife sanctuary or you know, you're

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<v Speaker 2>accredited zoos that are doing their best to make sure

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<v Speaker 2>that these animals like are sustained for the future in

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<v Speaker 2>a healthy environment where they don't have to get their

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<v Speaker 2>teeth removed. Yes, they can just live like they want

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<v Speaker 2>to live.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, exactly exactly. I mean I think that people who

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<v Speaker 1>really have this strong need to become directly involved with

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<v Speaker 1>these animals. The best thing to do is to look

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<v Speaker 1>for a career in wildlife conservation and rehabilitation because then

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<v Speaker 1>you can get in there and have to clean up

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<v Speaker 1>their poopies and uh but yeah, it's I think that

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<v Speaker 1>it is really important that cute does not equal harmless.

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<v Speaker 1>It also does not equal friendly.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh right.

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<v Speaker 1>One of my favorite examples is the blackfooted cat.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, which do you know? This one?

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<v Speaker 1>Is this in your book? I book oh, perfect, perfect, wonderful.

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<v Speaker 1>I picked this one out. I didn't know realize it

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<v Speaker 1>was in your book. But that's fantastic.

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<v Speaker 2>So the world's deadliest cat and it's also one of

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<v Speaker 2>the world's smallest cats. It's crazy cute, it's adorable.

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<v Speaker 1>It's got a sixty percent kill success rate. That's that

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<v Speaker 1>is much better than say a lion. It is really

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<v Speaker 1>good at killing.

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<v Speaker 2>And it will kill things that are bigger than it is. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so if you think about that, that would be like a

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<v Speaker 2>lion taking down which I guess this kind of happens,

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<v Speaker 2>but like a water buffalo but on.

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<v Speaker 3>It but on its own.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's pretty rare for a lion to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to take down a water buffalo on its own.

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<v Speaker 3>Usually it works in a group to be able to

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<v Speaker 3>take it.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, they is just like lone kitty, Yeah, in

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<v Speaker 2>its own out there hunting.

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<v Speaker 1>Than they're around two to four pounds. That's trainy.

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<v Speaker 2>Like in my book, I liken it to a can

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<v Speaker 2>of soup. So imagine taking a can of soup and

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<v Speaker 2>that is like how much these things weigh. And yet

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<v Speaker 2>they're out there just like like hunting machines or like

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<v Speaker 2>the terminators.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I'm imagining one extremely angry blackfooted cat inside a

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<v Speaker 1>can of soup. Oh yeah, yeah, that would be That

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<v Speaker 1>would be a way to weaponize them. You have them

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<v Speaker 1>in a can of soup and then you unnourse them

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<v Speaker 1>on your enemies and they scratch their eyes out.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like the world's worst jack in the box. Yes, right, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>get nuclear warfare. Let's just unleash a bunch of blackfooted

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<v Speaker 2>cats on people, like we would win instantly. It'd be

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<v Speaker 2>like we surrender, We're done. We can't take it anywhere.

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<v Speaker 2>Either that or they would just cute the heck out

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<v Speaker 2>of them. Yeah, like look at them and they'd be like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my gosh, we can't take it anymore. They're adorable.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like that scene in Shrek where Puss and Boots

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<v Speaker 1>gives them that really adorable lie and then the cats

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<v Speaker 1>them and I assume kills them all.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't watch all of me at.

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<v Speaker 2>Least incapacitates them in some fairly brutal way, right right exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>They're called ant hill tigers because they're so fierce and

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<v Speaker 1>feisty and they're my gosh, they're not friendly to people.

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<v Speaker 1>They do not enjoy the press people. They do not

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<v Speaker 1>want to be pet They will know if you It's

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<v Speaker 1>like if you when you try to take if you

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<v Speaker 1>have a cat, when you try to take your cat

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<v Speaker 1>to the vet, that murderous energy that you have in

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<v Speaker 1>your cat. But twenty four to seven seven days a week, right, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And you think your cat begs for food all the time,

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<v Speaker 2>like this thing. They have one of the highest metabolisms

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<v Speaker 2>of all the cat family, and so they are constantly

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<v Speaker 2>on the lookout for food. They just like want to

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<v Speaker 2>eat all the time. They're like, well, if it's moving,

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<v Speaker 2>if it's made of some kind of protein, I am

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<v Speaker 2>going to eat.

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<v Speaker 1>I will kill it and I will eat it. They

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<v Speaker 1>walk miles a night, which when you scale that to

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<v Speaker 1>human miles, that's like one of us walking a thousand

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<v Speaker 1>miles a night, right, and then just constantly eating burgers

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Like fitting in every every Jack in the box, every

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<v Speaker 2>in and out burger, every McDonald's on the way, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and then back again exactly exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>And they're great at catching birds mid flight they which

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if you've ever seen your own cat try

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<v Speaker 1>to do that, I don't. I think my cat tried.

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<v Speaker 1>My childhood cat would attempt that she'd wait by the

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<v Speaker 1>water fountain. Now, I don't this was back in the day.

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<v Speaker 1>These days, I would recommend keeping your cat indoors if

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<v Speaker 1>you live near a lot of wild birds. Right back then,

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't think about that so much. So this cat

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<v Speaker 1>would wait by this bird water, found this terrible situation right,

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<v Speaker 1>and would try to ambush these birds. She didn't really

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<v Speaker 1>get them, fortunately, but she would try, and she would

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<v Speaker 1>try to jump and catch the mid air.

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<v Speaker 3>Didn't work. These guys are really.

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<v Speaker 1>Good at it. They can with a pretty chilling accuracy,

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<v Speaker 1>catch a bird mid flight.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. What's funny, though, is in my second Cute Animals

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<v Speaker 2>that Could Kill You Dead book, which is coming out

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<v Speaker 2>next fall, fun with even more cute animals that you

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<v Speaker 2>could kill you dead. I actually have the house cat

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<v Speaker 2>in there because it's like it is, people just don't

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<v Speaker 2>even realize it. Like they kill millions of animals a year,

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<v Speaker 2>of small animals.

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<v Speaker 1>They are, you know, efficient murderers, very far in a

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<v Speaker 1>terrifying way.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not it's not good for the environment.

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<v Speaker 2>I know.

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<v Speaker 1>Earlier I said I'm a big fan of people having

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<v Speaker 1>cats as pets. I'm not a fan of free range cats,

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<v Speaker 1>especially when it is near areas where you have endangered wildlife.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah right, you have a lot of little birds and

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<v Speaker 2>things like that, squirrels that are indigenous to that area.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, like maybe not so much. Maybe keep your

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<v Speaker 2>cat in the house. If you have a mouse and

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<v Speaker 2>you have a mousing cat, like, they will be your

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<v Speaker 2>best buddy. Yes, yeah, yeah, like you on a farm.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, cats, it's a different story because they've got plenty

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<v Speaker 1>of mice to.

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<v Speaker 2>Go after mice exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you live near a place where there are

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<v Speaker 1>endangered birds, it's not not a great situation. It's also

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<v Speaker 1>a lot safer for them if you live in say,

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<v Speaker 1>like a city or somewhere where there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>streets and roads. It is. They trust me. You can

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<v Speaker 1>entertain a cat. If you play with them, they'll be okay.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, no, they are. Cats have been.

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<v Speaker 1>The masterminds behind a lot of bird species either going

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<v Speaker 1>extinct or becoming endangered over the world, yes, the world

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<v Speaker 1>over right, like it is. It's hard to think about

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<v Speaker 1>this because they're adorable and we love them, and it's not.

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<v Speaker 2>Bring them with us right where there are pets. So

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<v Speaker 2>we take them, We take it into this new new

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<v Speaker 2>country or whatever that we're exploring, and then they go

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<v Speaker 2>and they're like, Yay, thanks for introducing me to all

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<v Speaker 2>this new fair. It's like going and taste sampling the

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<v Speaker 2>local fair, right, I mean kind of endangered birds can

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<v Speaker 2>I eat here?

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<v Speaker 1>Right? Especially when the birds have not evolved with predators

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<v Speaker 1>like hat. These birds don't have any natural defenses. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's similar to what happened to the dodo, right. The

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<v Speaker 1>Dodo was not just hunted to extinction. A lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people have this concept that the Dutch just couldn't get

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<v Speaker 1>enough dodo keep eating it until it was extinct. It

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<v Speaker 1>was also the rats and the cats and the dogs

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<v Speaker 1>that came along and they.

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<v Speaker 2>Share eggs, yes, because they lay their eggs in the

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<v Speaker 2>ground because they had no natural predators. They were like, sure,

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<v Speaker 2>we can lay our eggs on the ground. Who's going

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<v Speaker 2>to eat them? And I was like, oh, actually, all

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<v Speaker 2>these things that in case people brought.

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<v Speaker 1>Over exactly exactly. So yeah, it's surprising, but our very

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<v Speaker 1>own Maybe it's.

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<v Speaker 3>Not surprising to people though.

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<v Speaker 1>When you look into a cat's eye and they give

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<v Speaker 1>you that malicious look, right, and.

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<v Speaker 2>You're like, I can't tell if you're gonna murder me.

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<v Speaker 2>In my sleep, or just beg me for some kitty snacks,

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<v Speaker 2>Like what's going to happen here?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Right, the exactly, And then we contemplate murder.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we're gonna take a quick break, and then when

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<v Speaker 1>we get back, we're going to talk about more adorable

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<v Speaker 1>widow animals who do secretly want to murder. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>so we are back, Brook, tell me about another animal

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<v Speaker 1>that is oh so cute and loves to kill.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so I have several obviously, I mean I wrote

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<v Speaker 2>books about them, right, but the grasshopper mouse. Have you

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<v Speaker 2>heard of the grasshopper mouse?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Yeah, So they're adorable. They look a lot like

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<v Speaker 2>a gerbil, but almost slightly cuter. They just are a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit fluffier and like more compact. So these little guys,

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<v Speaker 2>again highly predatory. They will go out. They will kill

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<v Speaker 2>all the things. They will kill things bigger than them, bugs,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, lizards, other rodents, birds, all kinds of stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>It's made out of meat, like, they will go after it.

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<v Speaker 2>They will eat it. However, their favorite food is scorpions,

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<v Speaker 2>so they will eat scorpions. And the way that they

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<v Speaker 2>have evolved is that the more the scorpion stings them,

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<v Speaker 2>the less pain that they feel, they convert. They have

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<v Speaker 2>an enzyme in their body that converts the scorpions venom

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<v Speaker 2>into painkiller. So like they're like, yeah, dude, hit me

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<v Speaker 2>some more then I'll just you know, that was nice.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, yeah, right, that fell good, right off? Yeah yeah, yeah, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that's that's incredible because we actually sometimes do

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<v Speaker 1>that with other types of venoms. So the mouse does

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<v Speaker 1>this naturally, The grasshopper mouse does this naturally. Humans have

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<v Speaker 1>figured out that sometimes you can take venom, even the

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<v Speaker 1>worst venom out there that would cause incredible pain if

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<v Speaker 1>you got stung in the wild. We take it into

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<v Speaker 1>the lab. We isolate certain compounds, and we can actually

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<v Speaker 1>turn it from this awful venom in right, pain killer.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, it's crazy. And so it's like your mother nature

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<v Speaker 2>has done this on its own for this cat mouse. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>And so the other crazy thing about this mouse is

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<v Speaker 2>when it kills something, it rears back its head and

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<v Speaker 2>lets out this little adorable shrieking howl like a wear

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<v Speaker 2>right yeah right, And so they're actually called werewolf mice

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<v Speaker 2>because they howl like a wolf when they like kill

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<v Speaker 2>these things. I mean, it's crazy. It's I mean I

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<v Speaker 2>want to I want to have like there'd be like

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<v Speaker 2>a Twilight remakey except where it's like were wolf mice

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<v Speaker 2>and so it's like everything's in miniature.

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<v Speaker 1>I would be so you can't, like I was never

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<v Speaker 1>super into Twilight. If you manaturized it, if you turned

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<v Speaker 1>it into a mouse love story, I would be so.

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<v Speaker 2>There on board, on board.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're they and they look just like normal mice.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't have any tails. It doesn't look like a

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<v Speaker 1>wolf shrunken down, even though that's how they act.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't look vicious. They look adorable. So you're just like,

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<v Speaker 2>look at the cute mouse and like, oh, never mind

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<v Speaker 2>eat scorpions. It's like immune to venom and it howls

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<v Speaker 2>at you, like what is this thing? What is this

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<v Speaker 2>thing again? Like it's like the Pokemon. It's like this

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<v Speaker 2>weird genetic like crazy amalgamy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and the bush predators too, right, they sneak up

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<v Speaker 1>on things and he pounce on them.

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<v Speaker 3>It's it's so because you don't.

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<v Speaker 1>We do not When we think of ambush predators, we

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<v Speaker 1>think of a lion stalking in tall grass, not a

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<v Speaker 1>little mouse stalking in the medium sized craft, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Right exactly, and yet you know here is just like

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<v Speaker 2>all of that, but in miniature and again taking down

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<v Speaker 2>larger predators than itself.

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<v Speaker 1>So adorable, adorable. I want to ask you, have you

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<v Speaker 1>heard of the marsupial mole.

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<v Speaker 2>I have heard of the marsupial mole.

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<v Speaker 3>They're very cool.

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<v Speaker 1>So they are those moles that they're actually like technically

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<v Speaker 1>not moles, nor are they marsupials. They're or sorry, they

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<v Speaker 1>are marsupials, but they are not moles. A bit confusing,

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<v Speaker 1>right there are. These are found in Australia and the

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<v Speaker 1>desert regions of Australia. There's actually another mole that looks

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<v Speaker 1>similar to them. It's called the golden mole, and that

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<v Speaker 1>is also not a mole. It's really you know, we

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<v Speaker 1>really get. The problem is there's a lot of convergent

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<v Speaker 1>evolution going on with the mole shape being fossorial, digging

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<v Speaker 1>in the earth, having vague claws. That was just a

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<v Speaker 1>really good design for a digger. So you have a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of things that kind of look like moles, but

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<v Speaker 1>they're not true moles. And this one is a marsupial.

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<v Speaker 1>It is in Australia. The hint is if something's in marsupial.

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<v Speaker 1>It's probably in Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>In Acelia, except.

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<v Speaker 1>For the North American poss them awesome. Yes, So these uh,

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<v Speaker 1>these are very cute. They look like these little golden,

0:20:10.720 --> 0:20:16.720
<v Speaker 1>sandy colored adorable hamsters almost, and they are the weird

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<v Speaker 1>thing about them is that they are blind, so their

0:20:19.280 --> 0:20:22.840
<v Speaker 1>eyes are entirely covered by their skin. They only have

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<v Speaker 1>these vestigial lenses, so they kind of look like fine hamsters.

0:20:29.480 --> 0:20:33.160
<v Speaker 1>They look like little balls of fluff. And they do

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<v Speaker 1>have these really capable digging claws. They don't actually create

0:20:37.680 --> 0:20:41.720
<v Speaker 1>burrows there because they live in the sand. They just

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<v Speaker 1>sort of swim under this loose sandy soil like they're

0:20:47.640 --> 0:20:49.040
<v Speaker 1>like tremors exactly.

0:20:49.040 --> 0:20:51.680
<v Speaker 2>They're like they're like.

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<v Speaker 1>Cute tremors or from Dune, you know, the sand words exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>And they will if you are a lizard or an

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<v Speaker 1>insect or something small enough to be grabbed by one

0:21:08.240 --> 0:21:10.160
<v Speaker 1>of these guys, they will trimmers you.

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<v Speaker 3>They'll grab it down, pull you down, and eat you.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness, I am writing another cute animal's book.

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<v Speaker 2>I might have to look these up because I thought

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<v Speaker 2>I had all the animals, but I might have to

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<v Speaker 2>look this guy up to stick him in there like

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<v Speaker 2>that sounds awesome, alley.

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<v Speaker 1>Because just the sheer terror of your lizard. You're minding

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<v Speaker 1>your own business. You're just sitting there on the yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and something comes from beneath the sand and grabs you

0:21:38.840 --> 0:21:41.600
<v Speaker 1>and pulls you down. There's a picture of one of

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<v Speaker 1>these guys with its goofy, little muppety hands with half

0:21:45.880 --> 0:21:51.840
<v Speaker 1>a lizard in its mouth. It's like, oh, oh my gosh, yeah,

0:21:52.000 --> 0:21:56.199
<v Speaker 1>they are yes. Also, because they're marsupials, they do actually

0:21:56.240 --> 0:21:59.359
<v Speaker 1>have a pouch. But the pouch, you know how a

0:21:59.480 --> 0:22:01.800
<v Speaker 1>kangaroo has a pouch that the little pocket that the

0:22:01.880 --> 0:22:05.320
<v Speaker 1>joey goes in. This one is flipped upside down because

0:22:05.359 --> 0:22:08.399
<v Speaker 1>as it's digging, if it was right side up, it

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<v Speaker 1>would fill with sand.

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<v Speaker 2>With sand, so that the side down, crazy crazy evolutionary

0:22:14.960 --> 0:22:19.400
<v Speaker 2>like that. That's just nuts kind of stand exactly, mind

0:22:19.480 --> 0:22:21.320
<v Speaker 2>boggling exactly, so.

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<v Speaker 1>Very cute, very strange, and they kill in the most

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<v Speaker 1>upsetting way right where you're just sitting.

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<v Speaker 3>There on the sand, minding your.

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<v Speaker 2>Own It's it's a hundred percent. It's the sheep. It's

0:22:35.760 --> 0:22:37.960
<v Speaker 2>the sheep minding its own business. You know, there's like

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<v Speaker 2>the random sheep head like standing there, what just happened

0:22:41.520 --> 0:22:44.800
<v Speaker 2>the sheep? Exactly? Oh my gosh, I love it.

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<v Speaker 3>Hit me with another one from your book.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so we can go straight up like poisoned dart frog,

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<v Speaker 2>right if you want to go, like it will keep

0:22:55.200 --> 0:22:57.679
<v Speaker 2>you dead. And I mean, I think most people know

0:22:57.760 --> 0:23:00.800
<v Speaker 2>these animals, but the part that I liked writing about

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<v Speaker 2>them with my book was just like how deadly they are.

0:23:04.720 --> 0:23:08.040
<v Speaker 2>Like it's like, this is no joke. Oh hey, you

0:23:08.160 --> 0:23:10.880
<v Speaker 2>touch them and you'll be fine. It's like, no, they

0:23:10.880 --> 0:23:14.960
<v Speaker 2>could kill you, like several times over again, Yes they are.

0:23:15.200 --> 0:23:18.879
<v Speaker 2>Maybe we just slowly mess with them. Yeah, right, And

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<v Speaker 2>but it's one of those things again where it's just

0:23:21.000 --> 0:23:23.760
<v Speaker 2>these these tiny bright frogs. And the other thing I

0:23:23.760 --> 0:23:26.040
<v Speaker 2>talk about in the book is that bright colors often

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<v Speaker 2>signify no touchy right, So here as humans and I

0:23:29.920 --> 0:23:32.479
<v Speaker 2>don't know what the joke is that we were involved

0:23:32.520 --> 0:23:35.320
<v Speaker 2>to assume bright colors is awesome, Like let's go touch

0:23:35.720 --> 0:23:38.119
<v Speaker 2>like Easter time, let's go buy all the bright blue

0:23:38.160 --> 0:23:40.800
<v Speaker 2>peeps out there, or the jelly beans or something and

0:23:40.880 --> 0:23:42.960
<v Speaker 2>eat them, because in nature, if you did that, we

0:23:43.000 --> 0:23:45.200
<v Speaker 2>would all be dead, Like we would just all die,

0:23:45.440 --> 0:23:48.320
<v Speaker 2>Like every animal that is bright colored in nature is like,

0:23:48.400 --> 0:23:50.440
<v Speaker 2>that's that's for a reason, because it's like, dude, don't

0:23:50.480 --> 0:23:52.399
<v Speaker 2>mess with me. I will literally kill you. And so

0:23:52.480 --> 0:23:55.800
<v Speaker 2>poisoned dart frogs are one hundred percent that, Like, they're

0:23:55.800 --> 0:23:59.920
<v Speaker 2>all these pretty jewel colors. Maybe it's bright beady eyes,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're just super tiny, and it's just like, oh

0:24:01.840 --> 0:24:05.320
<v Speaker 2>my gosh, as people. How many people do you think

0:24:05.400 --> 0:24:08.760
<v Speaker 2>in the history of humanity have died bipores and dirt

0:24:08.840 --> 0:24:12.320
<v Speaker 2>frogs before they were like, we do not touch these anymore.

0:24:12.440 --> 0:24:14.119
<v Speaker 3>Probably quite a few.

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<v Speaker 1>It is interesting because with a lot of deadly, brightly

0:24:20.200 --> 0:24:26.080
<v Speaker 1>colored animals, something that's called apisimitism. It is actually a

0:24:26.160 --> 0:24:30.440
<v Speaker 1>learning process, not just for human beings but for other animals.

0:24:30.760 --> 0:24:34.639
<v Speaker 1>And you have this interesting calculation where some of them

0:24:35.240 --> 0:24:40.520
<v Speaker 1>are so poisonous to consume that they'll just kill the animal,

0:24:40.520 --> 0:24:43.120
<v Speaker 1>but some of them are poisonous enough that they will

0:24:43.119 --> 0:24:47.240
<v Speaker 1>cause a very strong reaction but not actually kill the animal,

0:24:47.280 --> 0:24:51.640
<v Speaker 1>which can be beneficial because in that case that animal

0:24:51.680 --> 0:24:55.840
<v Speaker 1>then learns I can't mess with these guys, and you

0:24:56.000 --> 0:25:01.480
<v Speaker 1>have mimics. There are frogs that actually the poison dart

0:25:01.480 --> 0:25:05.600
<v Speaker 1>frogs who also have that brightly colored skin, right, and

0:25:05.720 --> 0:25:07.800
<v Speaker 1>they take advantage of the fact that, oh, this is

0:25:07.880 --> 0:25:11.120
<v Speaker 1>like a warning sign, right, So I mimic that. Now

0:25:11.200 --> 0:25:14.800
<v Speaker 1>I get protection without having to create the toxin, my toxin.

0:25:15.160 --> 0:25:19.800
<v Speaker 1>Because the toxin everything, any kind of defensive strategy usually

0:25:19.880 --> 0:25:22.880
<v Speaker 1>has some cost associated with it. For poison dart frogs,

0:25:23.160 --> 0:25:25.959
<v Speaker 1>creating the toxin requires resources, so they actually eat it

0:25:26.000 --> 0:25:28.520
<v Speaker 1>in their diet. That's why you might see if you

0:25:28.520 --> 0:25:32.000
<v Speaker 1>ever see someone holding a poison dart frog and like

0:25:32.080 --> 0:25:36.240
<v Speaker 1>a photo or something, don't think it's safe. Is probably

0:25:36.280 --> 0:25:39.359
<v Speaker 1>a pet because they get there most of this toxin

0:25:39.440 --> 0:25:41.720
<v Speaker 1>from the diet that they have in if.

0:25:41.600 --> 0:25:44.320
<v Speaker 2>They feed them like fruit flies, then it's not a

0:25:44.320 --> 0:25:47.560
<v Speaker 2>big deal because exactly they're not ingesting this tox on

0:25:47.600 --> 0:25:49.720
<v Speaker 2>a regular basis, and so they're not producing it in

0:25:49.760 --> 0:25:50.600
<v Speaker 2>their their.

0:25:50.440 --> 0:25:53.760
<v Speaker 1>Skin exactly right, And so there's a cost to producing

0:25:53.800 --> 0:25:57.400
<v Speaker 1>that toxin which comes from the nutrition that they get.

0:25:57.440 --> 0:26:00.720
<v Speaker 1>And so for a mimic, they can get the same

0:26:00.760 --> 0:26:03.919
<v Speaker 1>effect of hey, look, I'm dangerous. I have this bold

0:26:04.000 --> 0:26:08.320
<v Speaker 1>red and black or yellow and black, without the cost

0:26:08.359 --> 0:26:11.679
<v Speaker 1>of producing the toxin. But what happens is you have

0:26:11.720 --> 0:26:16.040
<v Speaker 1>these population fluctuations because of the learning process of animals

0:26:16.560 --> 0:26:20.560
<v Speaker 1>testing things eating. If there are too many mimics and

0:26:20.680 --> 0:26:23.360
<v Speaker 1>animals are like, hey, when I eat these guys, nothing happens,

0:26:23.760 --> 0:26:27.959
<v Speaker 1>then you actually have this population shift where the animals

0:26:28.000 --> 0:26:30.159
<v Speaker 1>start to eat more of them, and then the mimic

0:26:30.200 --> 0:26:32.880
<v Speaker 1>population starts to go down as well as a bit

0:26:33.040 --> 0:26:37.359
<v Speaker 1>the poisonous population, until the mimic population is low enough

0:26:37.760 --> 0:26:42.119
<v Speaker 1>that that signal, the apisomatic signal of brightly colored equals

0:26:42.160 --> 0:26:45.399
<v Speaker 1>zone comes back and play exactly. So there's this really

0:26:45.520 --> 0:26:47.480
<v Speaker 1>there's all this math that I'm not going to explain

0:26:47.560 --> 0:26:52.480
<v Speaker 1>because I'm underqualified, but it's really it's really really cool

0:26:52.480 --> 0:26:54.920
<v Speaker 1>that you can see these relationships. It happens a lot

0:26:54.960 --> 0:26:58.000
<v Speaker 1>in butterflies too, because those are yes. But yeah.

0:26:58.040 --> 0:27:03.400
<v Speaker 2>And caterpillars, yeah, same exact, same idea exactly. Yeah. I've

0:27:03.400 --> 0:27:06.400
<v Speaker 2>got a couple caterpillars that are in my books. In

0:27:06.440 --> 0:27:10.520
<v Speaker 2>my second book, there's the puppy faced saddleback catterlepillar. Oh cute,

0:27:11.040 --> 0:27:13.760
<v Speaker 2>and that's adorable. If you have not seen this, I mean,

0:27:13.760 --> 0:27:15.560
<v Speaker 2>you can wait for the book to come out next year,

0:27:15.760 --> 0:27:17.960
<v Speaker 2>the second book, not the first books books. First book's

0:27:17.960 --> 0:27:19.640
<v Speaker 2>already out, but the second book has this in there,

0:27:20.119 --> 0:27:23.600
<v Speaker 2>and it's this crazy looking caterpillar. Yeah. These guys, seriously

0:27:24.960 --> 0:27:29.359
<v Speaker 2>they look like these it's weird. It's like that's a dog, Like,

0:27:29.480 --> 0:27:32.399
<v Speaker 2>that's a puppy with these big eyes and they're like green,

0:27:32.720 --> 0:27:35.119
<v Speaker 2>and then they have these like floppy like ear fuzzy

0:27:35.160 --> 0:27:40.080
<v Speaker 2>ear looking things on them and it's like toxic spikes

0:27:40.280 --> 0:27:43.359
<v Speaker 2>on your Like, maybe we don't touch this puppy on

0:27:43.400 --> 0:27:43.720
<v Speaker 2>its ear.

0:27:43.840 --> 0:27:46.000
<v Speaker 1>It looks like it looks like one of those what

0:27:46.040 --> 0:27:50.080
<v Speaker 1>are they called the little little scotty terriers, Yeah, scotty dogs.

0:27:50.119 --> 0:27:52.840
<v Speaker 1>But the dog a green blanket on his back.

0:27:53.800 --> 0:27:55.760
<v Speaker 2>Or who was lady in the tramp? Oh?

0:27:55.840 --> 0:27:59.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's she's a cocker spaniel, yeah spaniel, a little

0:28:00.160 --> 0:28:02.440
<v Speaker 1>like a cocker spanielton and she's got this cute little

0:28:02.480 --> 0:28:05.640
<v Speaker 1>blanket on her back and she's very adorable looking. But yeah,

0:28:05.680 --> 0:28:09.439
<v Speaker 1>with those there. It's confusing with caterpillars because some of

0:28:09.480 --> 0:28:14.320
<v Speaker 1>them have fuzz and spines that are actually not toxic toxic.

0:28:15.280 --> 0:28:18.399
<v Speaker 1>They might not even be rdicating, meaning like these sears

0:28:18.400 --> 0:28:21.960
<v Speaker 1>that are kind of irritating, but a lot of them do.

0:28:22.200 --> 0:28:25.920
<v Speaker 1>So my advice with caterpillars is just don't touch it.

0:28:25.960 --> 0:28:29.040
<v Speaker 1>It looks fluffy and cuddly like that might be the worst.

0:28:29.320 --> 0:28:32.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's a wooly slug that I'm currently working on

0:28:32.840 --> 0:28:34.960
<v Speaker 2>a third book, and the wooly slug is going to

0:28:34.960 --> 0:28:38.000
<v Speaker 2>be in the third books. It looks like this floppy,

0:28:38.240 --> 0:28:41.840
<v Speaker 2>like ungroomed shaggy dog. Yeah, I mean it's like this

0:28:41.880 --> 0:28:44.400
<v Speaker 2>little it looks goes soft. Yeah, it's like a mop

0:28:44.440 --> 0:28:47.240
<v Speaker 2>that somebody like disconnected from the broom, from the handle

0:28:47.640 --> 0:28:50.000
<v Speaker 2>and just is like crawling around. But it's the most

0:28:50.000 --> 0:28:53.959
<v Speaker 2>toxic caterpillar in all of North America to cardiac arrest.

0:28:54.360 --> 0:28:56.600
<v Speaker 1>Kind of looks like a two pay a little bit.

0:28:56.560 --> 0:28:59.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly.

0:28:59.680 --> 0:29:02.520
<v Speaker 1>Yes, So if it's if it's fluffy and it's a caterpillar,

0:29:02.560 --> 0:29:07.200
<v Speaker 1>unless you really know what you're doing, probably shouldn't. But

0:29:07.280 --> 0:29:10.200
<v Speaker 1>with this, with the puppy face caterpillar, it's really interesting

0:29:10.200 --> 0:29:14.880
<v Speaker 1>because for us, we have this evolutionary response to big eyes,

0:29:14.920 --> 0:29:18.760
<v Speaker 1>big foreheads. That's cute, and we like a baby. It's

0:29:18.800 --> 0:29:21.040
<v Speaker 1>a baby, and we like it, we want to bab up.

0:29:21.040 --> 0:29:24.640
<v Speaker 2>We take care of it with a little baby bottle.

0:29:25.280 --> 0:29:29.440
<v Speaker 1>But in nature, so this evolution was not done for us.

0:29:29.680 --> 0:29:32.240
<v Speaker 1>It was not made for our benefit. This was done

0:29:32.320 --> 0:29:35.400
<v Speaker 1>for birds, I would assume, so birds and other potential

0:29:35.400 --> 0:29:38.720
<v Speaker 1>predators for this caterpillar. Where a lot of caterpillars will

0:29:38.760 --> 0:29:42.120
<v Speaker 1>employ these eye spots where it's like, hey, I am

0:29:42.120 --> 0:29:46.280
<v Speaker 1>a bigger thing than you think I am. So some

0:29:46.360 --> 0:29:50.400
<v Speaker 1>of them have even evolved to have this incredible mimicry

0:29:50.400 --> 0:29:53.640
<v Speaker 1>of say a snake, so having the eye spots. Yes,

0:29:54.560 --> 0:29:57.080
<v Speaker 1>and they will move a little bit like a snake

0:29:57.120 --> 0:29:58.680
<v Speaker 1>to try to fake out birds, right.

0:29:59.320 --> 0:30:01.720
<v Speaker 2>And a lot of time that's on its butt, yes,

0:30:02.560 --> 0:30:05.480
<v Speaker 2>like its head is its butt and its butt is

0:30:05.520 --> 0:30:08.440
<v Speaker 2>its head, because it's like, attack my butt because you

0:30:08.480 --> 0:30:11.400
<v Speaker 2>think it's my head, And then I'll get away because

0:30:11.520 --> 0:30:14.560
<v Speaker 2>actually I'll be scooting opposite direction exactly. You might maybe

0:30:14.640 --> 0:30:16.560
<v Speaker 2>take a little bit of pecks off my rear end,

0:30:16.640 --> 0:30:18.800
<v Speaker 2>but I'll be fine. I'll get away and I'll be

0:30:18.840 --> 0:30:20.560
<v Speaker 2>able to reproduce at a later time.

0:30:20.960 --> 0:30:24.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. One of the wildest ones there are the wingtips

0:30:24.400 --> 0:30:25.800
<v Speaker 1>of that Atlas moth.

0:30:26.360 --> 0:30:29.200
<v Speaker 2>Have you seen it's I know what an Atlas moth looks?

0:30:29.360 --> 0:30:29.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

0:30:29.720 --> 0:30:31.040
<v Speaker 2>They Yeah, what tell me about them?

0:30:31.120 --> 0:30:33.280
<v Speaker 1>So, like the if you look at the whole Atlas moth,

0:30:33.320 --> 0:30:36.840
<v Speaker 1>it might not be super obvious, but if you look

0:30:36.880 --> 0:30:40.520
<v Speaker 1>at just the wing tips. Yeah, it kind of looks

0:30:40.560 --> 0:30:44.960
<v Speaker 1>like a snakehead. And yes, yes they can when they

0:30:45.000 --> 0:30:47.480
<v Speaker 1>have their wings kind of folded, it looks like these

0:30:48.000 --> 0:30:50.760
<v Speaker 1>snake heads. And it's incredible because it looks like this

0:30:50.920 --> 0:30:55.360
<v Speaker 1>detailed art of snakehead. And it's just it's just wild

0:30:55.560 --> 0:31:00.960
<v Speaker 1>that through millions of years of these yeah mutations, you

0:31:01.360 --> 0:31:04.200
<v Speaker 1>get to this point where it's like these bombs that

0:31:04.440 --> 0:31:06.440
<v Speaker 1>tended to have their wing tips look a little bit more,

0:31:06.520 --> 0:31:08.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, probably started with a simple eye spot and

0:31:08.960 --> 0:31:09.560
<v Speaker 1>then came a.

0:31:09.560 --> 0:31:10.680
<v Speaker 2>Lot more detailed.

0:31:11.080 --> 0:31:14.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly exactly. So yeah, just wild.

0:31:14.880 --> 0:31:18.320
<v Speaker 2>Is it's so wild. And I have a gecko actually

0:31:18.320 --> 0:31:21.640
<v Speaker 2>a flying gecko in my book, so similarly and kind

0:31:21.680 --> 0:31:25.160
<v Speaker 2>of along a different evolutionary path. Geckos, as you know,

0:31:25.560 --> 0:31:28.040
<v Speaker 2>as you probably know, you know, their tails can fall off.

0:31:28.760 --> 0:31:32.200
<v Speaker 2>So you have the bird attacking this like wiggling looking

0:31:32.280 --> 0:31:35.560
<v Speaker 2>tail thing. The tail falls off, it continues to wiggle,

0:31:36.560 --> 0:31:40.520
<v Speaker 2>and the gecko just gets away. Yeah it's it grows back,

0:31:40.600 --> 0:31:44.200
<v Speaker 2>and so here it's like it's weird. The bird actually

0:31:44.280 --> 0:31:46.200
<v Speaker 2>kind of gets a snack out of it, and yet

0:31:46.280 --> 0:31:49.400
<v Speaker 2>the fine, Yeah.

0:31:48.960 --> 0:31:53.160
<v Speaker 1>Better than getting entirely eaten exactly. For sure.

0:31:53.240 --> 0:31:57.240
<v Speaker 2>I mean you still have to regrow a tail. Yeah,

0:31:57.400 --> 0:32:00.800
<v Speaker 2>it takes the time, but at least you're not officially dead.

0:32:01.120 --> 0:32:03.960
<v Speaker 1>There's actually a type of scorpion who can lose its

0:32:04.080 --> 0:32:08.520
<v Speaker 1>tail like that, but instead of regrowing it, it's just like, well,

0:32:09.120 --> 0:32:11.560
<v Speaker 1>I've lost my tail, so now I'm just not going

0:32:11.640 --> 0:32:13.280
<v Speaker 1>to have a tail for the rest of my life.

0:32:13.560 --> 0:32:16.320
<v Speaker 1>And it doesn't even it doesn't even poop for the

0:32:16.360 --> 0:32:20.120
<v Speaker 1>rest of its life. It just lives as long as

0:32:20.120 --> 0:32:23.160
<v Speaker 1>it can hopefully reproduces before it dies and then dies.

0:32:24.000 --> 0:32:28.080
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh. Yeah, that's crazy, you know, core scorpion. Well,

0:32:28.160 --> 0:32:32.640
<v Speaker 2>I kind of feel for it. Yeah, sorry, buddy. It's

0:32:32.720 --> 0:32:36.920
<v Speaker 2>like those fish that have the the worm that infects

0:32:36.920 --> 0:32:37.640
<v Speaker 2>its mouth.

0:32:37.880 --> 0:32:43.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, those are parasitic copapods or not copapods, I'm sorry,

0:32:44.080 --> 0:32:49.280
<v Speaker 1>parasitic isopods that hang on because its tongue, the tongue.

0:32:49.400 --> 0:32:52.600
<v Speaker 1>It's actually so like the the tongue is still there,

0:32:52.760 --> 0:32:55.760
<v Speaker 1>but the isopods sort of hang on and they drink

0:32:55.840 --> 0:32:59.400
<v Speaker 1>blood from the tongue and they they and they eat

0:32:59.440 --> 0:33:01.480
<v Speaker 1>part of the tong and the tongue is so the

0:33:01.560 --> 0:33:04.959
<v Speaker 1>problem is that the they are really not that beneficial

0:33:05.000 --> 0:33:07.720
<v Speaker 1>to these fish. They don't know, they don't they're not

0:33:08.480 --> 0:33:10.720
<v Speaker 1>it's not yeah exactly. It's not like, oh, now they

0:33:10.760 --> 0:33:12.880
<v Speaker 1>have a tongue, but it's like a little friend, who's

0:33:12.920 --> 0:33:15.440
<v Speaker 1>your tongue. The fish don't get as much nutrition. And

0:33:15.480 --> 0:33:18.480
<v Speaker 1>then when the parasite completes its life cycle, because usually

0:33:18.480 --> 0:33:22.320
<v Speaker 1>these are females, and then they manage to complete their

0:33:22.480 --> 0:33:26.800
<v Speaker 1>life cycle by laying offspring, they will leave the fish

0:33:27.400 --> 0:33:29.840
<v Speaker 1>and then the fish has this like mangled stump of

0:33:29.840 --> 0:33:33.360
<v Speaker 1>a tongue and they usually don't survive. Yeah, so it's

0:33:33.400 --> 0:33:34.840
<v Speaker 1>not a good it's not like a fun thing of

0:33:34.880 --> 0:33:38.040
<v Speaker 1>like eat your tongue and drink your blood.

0:33:38.240 --> 0:33:41.640
<v Speaker 2>But it's fine, totally fine. We're all fine.

0:33:41.800 --> 0:33:44.840
<v Speaker 3>It's not just like wait what it's.

0:33:44.680 --> 0:33:45.680
<v Speaker 2>Like, I'm calling my layer.

0:33:45.720 --> 0:33:48.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't think I got a good h It's wild

0:33:48.800 --> 0:33:50.800
<v Speaker 1>to see though, when you open up these fish mouth

0:33:50.880 --> 0:33:52.480
<v Speaker 1>and you just see this little ice of pod and

0:33:52.600 --> 0:33:54.080
<v Speaker 1>if you're wondering what it looks like, they kind of

0:33:54.080 --> 0:33:57.560
<v Speaker 1>look like a large white version of like a roly poly.

0:33:58.720 --> 0:34:02.120
<v Speaker 1>So they're just like sitting there. It's like, hello, yeah,

0:34:02.160 --> 0:34:04.040
<v Speaker 1>it's gross. Thanks, it is pretty nasty.

0:34:04.600 --> 0:34:06.520
<v Speaker 3>Well, we're gonna on that note. We're gonna take a

0:34:06.600 --> 0:34:07.080
<v Speaker 3>quick bite.

0:34:07.440 --> 0:34:09.800
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna take a quick break and then talk about

0:34:09.960 --> 0:34:15.319
<v Speaker 1>cuter animals who are no less menacing. All right, we

0:34:15.400 --> 0:34:18.839
<v Speaker 1>are back. And when you were talking earlier about these

0:34:18.880 --> 0:34:21.960
<v Speaker 1>poisoned dart frogs, I have to bring up the blue

0:34:22.040 --> 0:34:26.480
<v Speaker 1>ringed octopus because I love I love octopuses. I think

0:34:26.520 --> 0:34:29.200
<v Speaker 1>they are so cute. All I want to do is

0:34:29.200 --> 0:34:32.319
<v Speaker 1>pick them up and squeeze them, because they look very squishable.

0:34:32.719 --> 0:34:37.480
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't do that because I respect the octopus. But

0:34:37.960 --> 0:34:41.000
<v Speaker 1>there's one that you should especially not do that, both

0:34:41.000 --> 0:34:44.960
<v Speaker 1>out of respect and also because you will die. This

0:34:45.040 --> 0:34:49.359
<v Speaker 1>is the blue ringed octopus. They are adorable looking. They

0:34:49.400 --> 0:34:52.560
<v Speaker 1>only grow to be around five to eight inches. They

0:34:52.800 --> 0:34:56.880
<v Speaker 1>are found across the Indian and Pacific Oceans near Australia

0:34:56.880 --> 0:35:00.800
<v Speaker 1>and Japan, and they are covered in the these beautiful

0:35:00.920 --> 0:35:06.399
<v Speaker 1>bright blue rings, and they are so so cute, and

0:35:06.640 --> 0:35:08.840
<v Speaker 1>the rest of their skin is kind of a model brown,

0:35:08.960 --> 0:35:11.640
<v Speaker 1>so they usually blend in a little bit with their environment.

0:35:11.640 --> 0:35:14.120
<v Speaker 1>But they do have these bright blue rings, and it's like,

0:35:14.160 --> 0:35:18.200
<v Speaker 1>that's interesting, No, why would it have these really bright

0:35:18.360 --> 0:35:22.839
<v Speaker 1>beautiful rings on its body. When they are provoked, they

0:35:22.920 --> 0:35:26.560
<v Speaker 1>turn into this brilliant yellow as well. And if that's

0:35:26.600 --> 0:35:28.680
<v Speaker 1>not enough, because it's given you a couple of warning.

0:35:28.719 --> 0:35:31.080
<v Speaker 1>It's like, dude, I have these blue rings.

0:35:30.880 --> 0:35:31.800
<v Speaker 3>On my body.

0:35:32.640 --> 0:35:36.880
<v Speaker 1>Now I'm turning bright yellow, and now I'm flashing my

0:35:37.239 --> 0:35:41.759
<v Speaker 1>blue rings because octopuses have these incredible cells called chromatophores

0:35:41.800 --> 0:35:46.120
<v Speaker 1>that can actually change their pigment dynamically, so they are

0:35:46.160 --> 0:35:50.200
<v Speaker 1>flashing at you like my color is meant to tell

0:35:50.239 --> 0:35:56.640
<v Speaker 1>you bad idea, let me go. And if that doesn't work, finally,

0:35:57.560 --> 0:36:01.640
<v Speaker 1>they will bite you, so ye, which is funny. You'd

0:36:01.680 --> 0:36:05.520
<v Speaker 1>think that maybe it's their skin has some toxin in it, right,

0:36:05.640 --> 0:36:08.799
<v Speaker 1>like the poisoned dart frogs. No, they actually have a

0:36:08.800 --> 0:36:12.040
<v Speaker 1>little beak and they will bite you, and they are

0:36:12.760 --> 0:36:17.880
<v Speaker 1>chock full of the neurotoxin tetratotoxin, which they will release

0:36:17.920 --> 0:36:21.640
<v Speaker 1>into your bloodstream. And they have enough venom in their

0:36:21.719 --> 0:36:25.719
<v Speaker 1>adorable squishy little bodies to kill around thirty adult humans,

0:36:26.280 --> 0:36:30.320
<v Speaker 1>which yes, they can kill you within just a few minutes.

0:36:30.520 --> 0:36:35.280
<v Speaker 1>So they can cause heart failure, respiratory arrest, or total paralysis.

0:36:35.800 --> 0:36:40.000
<v Speaker 1>So you need treatment yesterday. If one of these guys

0:36:40.000 --> 0:36:42.080
<v Speaker 1>bite you.

0:36:41.160 --> 0:36:42.120
<v Speaker 2>You just don't want to present.

0:36:42.440 --> 0:36:43.680
<v Speaker 3>You just don't want to touch them.

0:36:43.960 --> 0:36:46.960
<v Speaker 2>Don't touch them. They're in my second book, Awesome. I

0:36:47.040 --> 0:36:48.799
<v Speaker 2>was like, I gotta put them in here somewhere. Yes,

0:36:49.040 --> 0:36:51.279
<v Speaker 2>and they're adorable, cute little octopuses. Like, who doesn't want

0:36:51.280 --> 0:36:53.600
<v Speaker 2>to the cute little octopuses? Yes, Oh wait, it's full

0:36:53.640 --> 0:36:54.400
<v Speaker 2>of tetritoxin.

0:36:54.560 --> 0:36:56.200
<v Speaker 3>It is full of toxins.

0:36:56.480 --> 0:36:59.760
<v Speaker 1>I feel like they're really polite about it, though, because.

0:36:59.360 --> 0:37:02.280
<v Speaker 3>They do give you so much warning. They don't.

0:37:02.920 --> 0:37:04.640
<v Speaker 2>They don't like, they don't want to be they don't

0:37:04.640 --> 0:37:07.040
<v Speaker 2>want to go after you proactively. They're not hunting you.

0:37:07.160 --> 0:37:10.759
<v Speaker 2>They're just like, dude, leave me alone. Okay, I mean, okay,

0:37:10.840 --> 0:37:13.879
<v Speaker 2>unless you're a crab. If you're a crustacean, yes, then

0:37:14.000 --> 0:37:16.680
<v Speaker 2>yes they are actually hunting you. And yes they're going

0:37:16.719 --> 0:37:19.160
<v Speaker 2>to actually inject you in with that talk, in that talk,

0:37:19.160 --> 0:37:22.120
<v Speaker 2>with that toxin intentionally because they want you to die

0:37:22.160 --> 0:37:23.000
<v Speaker 2>so that they need them.

0:37:23.040 --> 0:37:28.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they need that, ye crab bake exactly. Yes, but

0:37:28.080 --> 0:37:31.480
<v Speaker 1>that's actually that is actually the case for venomous snakes

0:37:31.520 --> 0:37:33.680
<v Speaker 1>as well. This is something that animals that use their

0:37:33.760 --> 0:37:37.960
<v Speaker 1>venom both for hunting and for defense are often much

0:37:38.000 --> 0:37:41.680
<v Speaker 1>more hesitant to use it for defense because that means

0:37:41.719 --> 0:37:45.200
<v Speaker 1>they don't have that for their hunting. So if they

0:37:45.200 --> 0:37:47.560
<v Speaker 1>think they can ward you off, you know, it's like

0:37:47.680 --> 0:37:50.120
<v Speaker 1>how a rattlesnake will rattle at you. It's actually it's

0:37:50.239 --> 0:37:52.680
<v Speaker 1>trying to give you a chance, like, please, just don't bother,

0:37:53.040 --> 0:37:57.719
<v Speaker 1>don't bug me. I I just I'm very shy. I

0:37:57.760 --> 0:38:01.840
<v Speaker 1>struggle with sort of social situations. I don't want to

0:38:01.880 --> 0:38:05.200
<v Speaker 1>be touched. I have boundaries, but trying to establish their boundaries,

0:38:05.239 --> 0:38:08.160
<v Speaker 1>it's very important to listen to them. There's actually also

0:38:08.239 --> 0:38:11.399
<v Speaker 1>a lot of snakes who will do dry bites, so

0:38:11.520 --> 0:38:16.360
<v Speaker 1>they have the ability to invenimate you and they will bite,

0:38:16.440 --> 0:38:20.319
<v Speaker 1>but sometimes they actually don't release their venom because it's

0:38:20.360 --> 0:38:24.120
<v Speaker 1>a valuable resource and for them, they would rather you

0:38:24.520 --> 0:38:28.120
<v Speaker 1>go away with just a dry bite than have to

0:38:28.680 --> 0:38:30.799
<v Speaker 1>waste their venom on you because they need to use

0:38:30.800 --> 0:38:33.719
<v Speaker 1>that for hunting. Right, So it's very similar with these

0:38:33.760 --> 0:38:36.920
<v Speaker 1>little octopuses. They don't want to waste their venom on you.

0:38:37.280 --> 0:38:39.640
<v Speaker 1>They don't want to antagonize you. They just want to

0:38:39.640 --> 0:38:42.239
<v Speaker 1>be left alone. So that's why they use all of

0:38:42.280 --> 0:38:45.600
<v Speaker 1>these various warnings like look, I've got these bright blue rings. Okay,

0:38:45.640 --> 0:38:48.800
<v Speaker 1>you're touching me. Now I'm bright yellow. Now my rings

0:38:48.800 --> 0:38:51.200
<v Speaker 1>are flashing. You got to leave me alone. Man.

0:38:51.480 --> 0:38:53.759
<v Speaker 2>It's like a stoplight. It's like you've got the green light,

0:38:53.760 --> 0:38:55.520
<v Speaker 2>but then you've got the yellow and it's like, oh hey,

0:38:55.520 --> 0:38:56.920
<v Speaker 2>slow down, and then you have the red light. And

0:38:56.920 --> 0:38:58.719
<v Speaker 2>it's like if you're still going at their red light,

0:38:58.840 --> 0:39:01.359
<v Speaker 2>then maybe we need to have a conversation about, you know,

0:39:01.440 --> 0:39:05.960
<v Speaker 2>our impulse control, because let's just stop right, Yeah, don't

0:39:05.960 --> 0:39:09.200
<v Speaker 2>go touch the bright blinking octopus that's literally giving all

0:39:09.239 --> 0:39:10.200
<v Speaker 2>the flashing warnings.

0:39:10.280 --> 0:39:12.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's it's not a light show for our benefit,

0:39:12.840 --> 0:39:14.080
<v Speaker 1>it is. It is a warning.

0:39:15.320 --> 0:39:19.279
<v Speaker 2>So on the chromatic warnings. I have ladybugs in my

0:39:19.320 --> 0:39:21.359
<v Speaker 2>first book too, because we think of lady bugs as

0:39:21.360 --> 0:39:23.399
<v Speaker 2>being these adorable little bugs. Right, They're so cute. They're

0:39:23.440 --> 0:39:26.520
<v Speaker 2>like little roly poly they're rosy, they have these cute

0:39:26.560 --> 0:39:30.040
<v Speaker 2>little spots, but if you look at them under a microscope,

0:39:30.040 --> 0:39:33.400
<v Speaker 2>they have these serrated jaws because they are one hundred

0:39:33.440 --> 0:39:37.400
<v Speaker 2>percent predator and their rosy color is actually a warning

0:39:37.520 --> 0:39:39.920
<v Speaker 2>for other predators to get away from them, because they

0:39:39.960 --> 0:39:43.160
<v Speaker 2>have a foul sort of a taste and smell to

0:39:43.200 --> 0:39:46.759
<v Speaker 2>them when they are eaten, and so predators are like, okay,

0:39:46.760 --> 0:39:49.480
<v Speaker 2>it's like part of that. You know, red means stop

0:39:49.719 --> 0:39:53.600
<v Speaker 2>warning that we again, as people who are sometimes dumb,

0:39:53.640 --> 0:39:55.439
<v Speaker 2>are like, oh look it's cute. This is cute red,

0:39:55.520 --> 0:39:58.719
<v Speaker 2>you know, spotted color. It's adorable, and I have them

0:39:58.760 --> 0:40:02.719
<v Speaker 2>in that book because they are hundred present predators to aphids.

0:40:02.760 --> 0:40:06.120
<v Speaker 2>Like not only do the adult ladybugs eat tons and

0:40:06.160 --> 0:40:07.960
<v Speaker 2>tons and tons of aphods all day long, they just

0:40:07.960 --> 0:40:09.920
<v Speaker 2>like want all the aphids, but when they're born, when

0:40:09.920 --> 0:40:14.319
<v Speaker 2>they hatch as larvae, they eat aphid larvae, and so

0:40:14.520 --> 0:40:16.960
<v Speaker 2>it's like the babies are eating the babies, and then

0:40:17.000 --> 0:40:19.400
<v Speaker 2>the adults are baby wore adults and the other baby.

0:40:19.400 --> 0:40:22.839
<v Speaker 2>It's crazy. It's like they're just like these little like

0:40:22.920 --> 0:40:26.200
<v Speaker 2>detonating machines. That which is why you know it's lucky

0:40:26.239 --> 0:40:28.239
<v Speaker 2>to have them in your garden because you want them

0:40:28.280 --> 0:40:31.480
<v Speaker 2>to eat all the aphids. But again that's sort of

0:40:31.520 --> 0:40:34.279
<v Speaker 2>evolved into this like oh, the adorable little ladybuget it's

0:40:34.320 --> 0:40:37.279
<v Speaker 2>like that's a predator. Like you have a little mini predator, yes,

0:40:37.400 --> 0:40:40.400
<v Speaker 2>in your garden, which, yes, you want that, it's great,

0:40:40.680 --> 0:40:44.759
<v Speaker 2>but like that's that's it's like, what's cute to us.

0:40:44.800 --> 0:40:46.960
<v Speaker 2>If you were an aphid, you would be running away

0:40:47.000 --> 0:40:49.920
<v Speaker 2>in sheer terror because these things are like these giant,

0:40:50.080 --> 0:40:52.640
<v Speaker 2>massive like megaladons coming at you.

0:40:53.160 --> 0:40:56.600
<v Speaker 1>Also, if you've seen their their larva, like the the

0:40:56.640 --> 0:41:04.399
<v Speaker 1>more juvenile forms of the ladybug, they're horrifying looking, right.

0:41:05.080 --> 0:41:07.839
<v Speaker 1>I remember, I remember the first time I saw one

0:41:07.880 --> 0:41:11.160
<v Speaker 1>as a kid. I was terrified. Yes, and I think

0:41:11.200 --> 0:41:13.799
<v Speaker 1>I showed it to one of my parents. Is this

0:41:14.160 --> 0:41:16.360
<v Speaker 1>very scary bug I found? It's like, oh, that's a

0:41:16.400 --> 0:41:21.440
<v Speaker 1>baby ladybug? That No, this is again, this looks like

0:41:21.480 --> 0:41:25.200
<v Speaker 1>an alien that's gonna wriggle its way into my ear

0:41:25.320 --> 0:41:28.280
<v Speaker 1>and control my brain. This does not look harmless exactly.

0:41:28.440 --> 0:41:30.719
<v Speaker 2>You're like, I saw this on Star Trek. I know what,

0:41:31.600 --> 0:41:35.640
<v Speaker 2>I know it's happening. Let's not mess with this thing, right.

0:41:35.800 --> 0:41:38.799
<v Speaker 1>Also, I was a very I I loved picking stuff

0:41:38.880 --> 0:41:39.520
<v Speaker 1>up as a kid.

0:41:39.880 --> 0:41:42.520
<v Speaker 3>Thank goodness. I did not live somewhere where there were

0:41:42.800 --> 0:41:43.239
<v Speaker 3>I was not.

0:41:43.560 --> 0:41:45.719
<v Speaker 1>I didn't grow If I grew up in Australia, I

0:41:45.760 --> 0:41:47.360
<v Speaker 1>don't know if i'd be sitting here talking to you

0:41:47.480 --> 0:41:51.160
<v Speaker 1>right now. So I I did learn not to touch

0:41:51.400 --> 0:41:55.680
<v Speaker 1>black widows, so that's good. Or scorpions another good thing,

0:41:55.800 --> 0:41:58.520
<v Speaker 1>but everything else I would try to pick up and

0:41:58.560 --> 0:42:01.239
<v Speaker 1>I would pick up a lot of late bugs, and

0:42:01.320 --> 0:42:03.279
<v Speaker 1>I would hold them in my hand and I'd be like,

0:42:03.440 --> 0:42:06.040
<v Speaker 1>we're best friends now. And then I'd smell something kind

0:42:06.040 --> 0:42:08.160
<v Speaker 1>of nasty and yep like in my hand and there'd

0:42:08.160 --> 0:42:11.640
<v Speaker 1>be a little orange fluid and I would think like, Oh,

0:42:11.680 --> 0:42:12.480
<v Speaker 1>did they throw up?

0:42:12.520 --> 0:42:13.240
<v Speaker 3>Did they poopy?

0:42:13.280 --> 0:42:15.480
<v Speaker 1>Did they peepy? I didn't realize when I was a

0:42:15.560 --> 0:42:18.640
<v Speaker 1>kid that this is its defensive mechanism of saying like, look,

0:42:18.680 --> 0:42:21.399
<v Speaker 1>I'm nasty. You don't want to eat me? Of course

0:42:21.400 --> 0:42:23.360
<v Speaker 1>I didn't want to eat it. I wanted to be friends,

0:42:23.560 --> 0:42:26.839
<v Speaker 1>best friends with this lady bug. So I didn't get

0:42:27.120 --> 0:42:27.800
<v Speaker 1>the message.

0:42:27.960 --> 0:42:31.120
<v Speaker 2>But right, nevertheless, I oh left me at present.

0:42:31.360 --> 0:42:34.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I like very yeah, and it has it had

0:42:34.960 --> 0:42:39.200
<v Speaker 1>a very almost metallic, unpleasant smell to it.

0:42:41.520 --> 0:42:46.400
<v Speaker 2>So a slight detour. Have you ever heard of Jay's

0:42:46.680 --> 0:42:49.680
<v Speaker 2>the j Family of Birds doing something called anting?

0:42:50.000 --> 0:42:52.840
<v Speaker 1>Yes? I love this, Yeah, sobs.

0:42:54.400 --> 0:42:56.200
<v Speaker 2>So and I mean sounds like you totally know what

0:42:56.200 --> 0:42:58.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm talking about. So, and I'll just kind of go

0:42:58.080 --> 0:42:58.319
<v Speaker 2>through it.

0:42:58.360 --> 0:43:00.600
<v Speaker 3>No, no, no, explain it because this is antieatic.

0:43:01.600 --> 0:43:04.400
<v Speaker 2>So on the when we're talking about the ladybugs and

0:43:04.440 --> 0:43:08.480
<v Speaker 2>excreting this like sort of smelly, nasty substance. So ants

0:43:08.719 --> 0:43:11.040
<v Speaker 2>also will do this when they're eaten and they kind

0:43:11.080 --> 0:43:16.120
<v Speaker 2>of like embody this this kind of gross like toxic substance.

0:43:16.560 --> 0:43:20.680
<v Speaker 2>And so to force the ants to excrete it, jays

0:43:20.760 --> 0:43:23.759
<v Speaker 2>will pick up the ants and they will rub it

0:43:23.960 --> 0:43:27.279
<v Speaker 2>like around themselves and then around like the dirt to

0:43:27.400 --> 0:43:31.000
<v Speaker 2>force the ant to push this substance out somewhere else,

0:43:31.520 --> 0:43:33.080
<v Speaker 2>and then they will eat the ant because it's like

0:43:33.120 --> 0:43:35.000
<v Speaker 2>it's like squishing the seed out of a grape, Like

0:43:35.040 --> 0:43:36.879
<v Speaker 2>you eat the grape and then you eat the seed,

0:43:36.920 --> 0:43:38.279
<v Speaker 2>you're like, oh, that's gross, like you want to spit

0:43:38.320 --> 0:43:40.040
<v Speaker 2>it out, But if you get the seed out first,

0:43:40.160 --> 0:43:42.080
<v Speaker 2>then it's like, oh hey, it's a pretty pleasant experience.

0:43:42.120 --> 0:43:45.520
<v Speaker 2>And so jay's and probably other birds I only know

0:43:45.560 --> 0:43:46.120
<v Speaker 2>about the jays.

0:43:46.680 --> 0:43:48.279
<v Speaker 1>There are a lot of species that do this, but

0:43:48.400 --> 0:43:50.480
<v Speaker 1>jays are well known for doing it.

0:43:51.520 --> 0:43:53.920
<v Speaker 2>And then have they figured out maybe you know this

0:43:54.040 --> 0:43:56.000
<v Speaker 2>or not, have they figured out is there a purpose

0:43:56.080 --> 0:43:58.600
<v Speaker 2>for them to put because they have been witnessed as

0:43:58.640 --> 0:44:03.120
<v Speaker 2>like putting rubbing this toxic substance like on their wings,

0:44:03.560 --> 0:44:05.560
<v Speaker 2>and so they don't know if maybe that's like an

0:44:05.640 --> 0:44:10.560
<v Speaker 2>anti like a flea or maybe anti parasite, kind of

0:44:10.560 --> 0:44:13.080
<v Speaker 2>like almost like putting on a bug dope or bug

0:44:13.120 --> 0:44:16.960
<v Speaker 2>spray on your body. They're thinking it's maybe similar to that.

0:44:17.280 --> 0:44:21.160
<v Speaker 2>But I saw this in my yard two years ago.

0:44:21.760 --> 0:44:24.279
<v Speaker 2>My kids and I were outside and we saw two

0:44:24.320 --> 0:44:27.120
<v Speaker 2>stellars js and we saw one of them on the

0:44:27.200 --> 0:44:29.680
<v Speaker 2>ground by the window, and we're like, oh my gosh,

0:44:29.840 --> 0:44:31.880
<v Speaker 2>what do we hit the window? And then we were

0:44:31.920 --> 0:44:34.560
<v Speaker 2>watching it and we're like, well, it's not acting stunned,

0:44:34.560 --> 0:44:36.000
<v Speaker 2>like what the heck is it doing? And it had

0:44:36.040 --> 0:44:40.000
<v Speaker 2>its wings outstretched along the ground, and it was laying

0:44:40.200 --> 0:44:42.560
<v Speaker 2>very down close to the ground, and it's another one

0:44:42.640 --> 0:44:45.440
<v Speaker 2>was kind of close by, but it wasn't acting like

0:44:45.480 --> 0:44:48.000
<v Speaker 2>it was concerned. It just was like kind of like guarding, like, hey,

0:44:48.040 --> 0:44:49.680
<v Speaker 2>you know whatever, you know, finished doing your business and

0:44:49.680 --> 0:44:50.399
<v Speaker 2>then we'll fly off.

0:44:50.800 --> 0:44:52.759
<v Speaker 1>If you've remember been a girl at a bar and

0:44:52.760 --> 0:44:54.640
<v Speaker 1>you go to the bathroom with your friend, like right,

0:44:54.760 --> 0:44:55.319
<v Speaker 1>that's the.

0:44:55.239 --> 0:44:59.400
<v Speaker 2>Same same situation. So the one that was on the

0:44:59.400 --> 0:45:02.120
<v Speaker 2>ground was taking its head and it was running it

0:45:02.200 --> 0:45:05.160
<v Speaker 2>along its wings, along its outstretched wings, and like going

0:45:05.200 --> 0:45:07.160
<v Speaker 2>off one side and then down the other, and we

0:45:07.160 --> 0:45:08.799
<v Speaker 2>were like what And then every once in a while

0:45:08.840 --> 0:45:10.880
<v Speaker 2>would like rustle its feathers down into the dirt a

0:45:10.880 --> 0:45:12.960
<v Speaker 2>little bit and like rustle them up in the air,

0:45:13.000 --> 0:45:14.080
<v Speaker 2>and then it would like put them back down and

0:45:14.080 --> 0:45:15.400
<v Speaker 2>it would do the same thing. And then eventually it

0:45:15.440 --> 0:45:17.000
<v Speaker 2>like flew off like no big deal. And I was like,

0:45:17.120 --> 0:45:19.799
<v Speaker 2>what the heck is that? And I went down an

0:45:19.840 --> 0:45:23.000
<v Speaker 2>Internet Google rabbit hole, and at the time that I

0:45:23.040 --> 0:45:27.560
<v Speaker 2>researched this, I found one article, a single article, that

0:45:27.719 --> 0:45:30.279
<v Speaker 2>was like that we think that they might do this

0:45:30.320 --> 0:45:33.240
<v Speaker 2>thing with ants, and it was because somebody else witnessed

0:45:33.239 --> 0:45:35.640
<v Speaker 2>this sometime and they were like, we think we've seen

0:45:35.680 --> 0:45:37.680
<v Speaker 2>this before. We think this is what's happening. And I'm like,

0:45:37.719 --> 0:45:39.919
<v Speaker 2>I'm pretty sure that's what we saw. And then fast

0:45:39.960 --> 0:45:43.880
<v Speaker 2>forward to this last summer and there was like a

0:45:43.920 --> 0:45:46.279
<v Speaker 2>whole article that came up like Hey, this is what

0:45:46.320 --> 0:45:48.200
<v Speaker 2>these birds do and they do this like thing and

0:45:48.239 --> 0:45:50.320
<v Speaker 2>it's called anting and this is what it's all about.

0:45:50.320 --> 0:45:52.080
<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, oh my gosh, like I feel like

0:45:52.120 --> 0:45:57.320
<v Speaker 2>I was on some groundbreaking, like ground level research this yeah,

0:45:57.480 --> 0:46:00.760
<v Speaker 2>discovery that these birds do this. It was so crazy,

0:46:02.000 --> 0:46:04.239
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, tell me more if you know more about it,

0:46:04.280 --> 0:46:05.760
<v Speaker 2>like I want to hear all the things.

0:46:06.000 --> 0:46:08.919
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so that the idea, the theory, because of course

0:46:08.920 --> 0:46:11.480
<v Speaker 1>we don't know for sure, but the theory that the

0:46:11.600 --> 0:46:16.120
<v Speaker 1>ants release the formic acid, this little acidic substance that

0:46:16.480 --> 0:46:17.720
<v Speaker 1>is a form of defense.

0:46:19.040 --> 0:46:20.600
<v Speaker 3>And so the.

0:46:20.400 --> 0:46:23.399
<v Speaker 1>Birds get this two fur right by rubbing the ant,

0:46:23.719 --> 0:46:26.920
<v Speaker 1>they make it release this formic acid, and then the

0:46:26.960 --> 0:46:31.640
<v Speaker 1>formic acid, by coating their wings potentially helps them kill

0:46:31.760 --> 0:46:33.920
<v Speaker 1>mites that exist on the feathers.

0:46:34.160 --> 0:46:36.920
<v Speaker 2>Yea, so it was like some kind of parasite that

0:46:36.960 --> 0:46:39.480
<v Speaker 2>its mites, Yes, mites.

0:46:39.840 --> 0:46:44.359
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, it's sort of as if you could eat soap. Right,

0:46:44.440 --> 0:46:47.120
<v Speaker 1>you rub yourself with the soap, you help groom yourself,

0:46:47.160 --> 0:46:47.759
<v Speaker 1>and then you're like.

0:46:47.680 --> 0:46:50.399
<v Speaker 3>Great, yeah, now the soap is right.

0:46:51.520 --> 0:46:53.880
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm sure they make that. Somebody somewhere probably

0:46:54.000 --> 0:46:56.080
<v Speaker 2>is made of edible soap.

0:46:56.360 --> 0:46:59.480
<v Speaker 1>I yeah, I don't know if I would want to

0:46:59.520 --> 0:47:03.440
<v Speaker 1>eat something that I've just used to scrub the filled.

0:47:03.239 --> 0:47:06.839
<v Speaker 2>Top of my b body and mites and like, yes, right,

0:47:07.040 --> 0:47:10.000
<v Speaker 2>scrub parasites off me. Yeah.

0:47:10.200 --> 0:47:13.760
<v Speaker 1>Closest will get is take a bath and eat cereal,

0:47:14.560 --> 0:47:16.120
<v Speaker 1>but not same time at the same time.

0:47:16.120 --> 0:47:17.920
<v Speaker 3>But I don't mix the fluids.

0:47:18.000 --> 0:47:21.600
<v Speaker 2>So right, yeah, that might be a little strange, but.

0:47:21.640 --> 0:47:24.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that is that's the theory is. And of course,

0:47:24.600 --> 0:47:27.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean one of it is interesting to see, especially

0:47:27.960 --> 0:47:31.200
<v Speaker 1>when you these observations start to happen more. You may

0:47:31.239 --> 0:47:34.200
<v Speaker 1>have seen something as a kid or even five or

0:47:34.200 --> 0:47:37.080
<v Speaker 1>ten years ago, and then suddenly you see, oh, there's

0:47:37.080 --> 0:47:38.280
<v Speaker 1>all this research.

0:47:37.920 --> 0:47:39.080
<v Speaker 3>Now on it.

0:47:39.080 --> 0:47:41.800
<v Speaker 1>It seems like we should already know everything about everything

0:47:41.880 --> 0:47:44.919
<v Speaker 1>because we've been on this planet for a long time

0:47:44.960 --> 0:47:49.680
<v Speaker 1>and we've been around. But it's hard, especially for behaviors

0:47:49.719 --> 0:47:52.480
<v Speaker 1>that may not happen all the time, where we may

0:47:52.520 --> 0:47:55.880
<v Speaker 1>not be around when they're happening. It can take some

0:47:56.000 --> 0:48:01.520
<v Speaker 1>time to not only make formal observations, but to catalog them,

0:48:01.719 --> 0:48:04.520
<v Speaker 1>to put them in how to them exactly in a

0:48:04.600 --> 0:48:08.680
<v Speaker 1>quantifiable way where we can confidently say this happens, it

0:48:08.719 --> 0:48:11.719
<v Speaker 1>happens routinely, and this is why it happens. That takes time,

0:48:12.000 --> 0:48:15.239
<v Speaker 1>so and you know, of course, even sometimes once we

0:48:15.400 --> 0:48:18.600
<v Speaker 1>come up with a theory, we may have evidence that

0:48:18.680 --> 0:48:21.800
<v Speaker 1>supports that theory, but we don't know one hundred percent

0:48:22.120 --> 0:48:23.480
<v Speaker 1>for sure why they do it.

0:48:23.520 --> 0:48:25.880
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, the leading theory is that they're.

0:48:25.760 --> 0:48:29.799
<v Speaker 1>Using the formic alcid to help ward off mites and

0:48:29.800 --> 0:48:31.799
<v Speaker 1>then they get a tasty snack out of it.

0:48:32.360 --> 0:48:34.600
<v Speaker 2>Right, And how many theories have we had over the

0:48:34.719 --> 0:48:37.040
<v Speaker 2>years of not just animals but everything. We're like, yeah,

0:48:37.040 --> 0:48:40.280
<v Speaker 2>this is one hundred percent true. And then fast forward five, ten, twenty,

0:48:40.600 --> 0:48:42.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, more years, and we're like, oh, wait, no,

0:48:43.080 --> 0:48:44.799
<v Speaker 2>we have no idea what we were talking about. We

0:48:44.840 --> 0:48:47.480
<v Speaker 2>were idiots. I mean, think about dinosaurs, like, think about

0:48:47.760 --> 0:48:51.080
<v Speaker 2>I still see all these pictures of dinosaurs that have

0:48:51.160 --> 0:48:53.400
<v Speaker 2>no feathers on them, you know, and it's like, no,

0:48:53.560 --> 0:48:56.640
<v Speaker 2>we now know that many of these dinosaurs look like chickens,

0:48:56.680 --> 0:49:00.680
<v Speaker 2>Like they literally like urn around like with feathers in chickens. Yeah,

0:49:00.920 --> 0:49:02.520
<v Speaker 2>they were. They were just the cute.

0:49:02.560 --> 0:49:05.880
<v Speaker 1>They were probably t w reck that was probably quite

0:49:06.160 --> 0:49:10.280
<v Speaker 1>adorably adorable. The babies, I would imagine, really fluffy, really cute,

0:49:10.440 --> 0:49:15.399
<v Speaker 1>and extremely deadly, right, bear like bears are adorable. They

0:49:15.440 --> 0:49:17.960
<v Speaker 1>look like something you should be able to hug, but

0:49:18.000 --> 0:49:19.120
<v Speaker 1>you really shouldn't.

0:49:20.160 --> 0:49:22.880
<v Speaker 2>Actually, growing up in Alaska is part of what inspired

0:49:22.920 --> 0:49:26.080
<v Speaker 2>me to write the book that I did. Cute Animals

0:49:26.080 --> 0:49:28.840
<v Speaker 2>that so you did. Because we get all these tourists

0:49:28.880 --> 0:49:31.319
<v Speaker 2>that come up and they're wonderful, like we love our tourists,

0:49:31.760 --> 0:49:34.279
<v Speaker 2>but it never fails. There's always the tourist who does

0:49:34.360 --> 0:49:37.400
<v Speaker 2>something really stupid like try to pick up pet the

0:49:37.440 --> 0:49:40.319
<v Speaker 2>otter and then gets bit or wants to go move

0:49:40.320 --> 0:49:42.600
<v Speaker 2>in with the bears and then they literally die.

0:49:42.960 --> 0:49:48.000
<v Speaker 1>Yes, that's the idea, especially do especially some of the

0:49:48.000 --> 0:49:51.480
<v Speaker 1>bears you got up in Alaska, Like polar bears are

0:49:51.880 --> 0:49:54.480
<v Speaker 1>one of the I mean they're the biggest bear and

0:49:54.520 --> 0:49:58.080
<v Speaker 1>they're also the one bear that sees us as food.

0:49:58.200 --> 0:50:01.359
<v Speaker 1>Potentially they literally will see you as food, right, I mean,

0:50:01.480 --> 0:50:03.879
<v Speaker 1>like you have to be careful because there are people

0:50:03.920 --> 0:50:06.879
<v Speaker 1>who work up on the North Slope and they will

0:50:06.920 --> 0:50:10.520
<v Speaker 1>be stalked and hunted by polar bears. Yeah, and die,

0:50:10.560 --> 0:50:13.399
<v Speaker 1>Like it's just maybe not go at the polar bear. Yeah.

0:50:13.719 --> 0:50:17.560
<v Speaker 1>It's one of the rare examples where we say we

0:50:17.600 --> 0:50:21.040
<v Speaker 1>talk about sharks, and sharks don't actually.

0:50:20.800 --> 0:50:21.760
<v Speaker 2>See us as food.

0:50:21.960 --> 0:50:27.200
<v Speaker 1>We can reassure people even things like alligators usually don't

0:50:27.200 --> 0:50:29.960
<v Speaker 1>see you as food unless you go into the water

0:50:30.040 --> 0:50:31.560
<v Speaker 1>and flash around.

0:50:31.560 --> 0:50:33.400
<v Speaker 2>Roll around ye brown.

0:50:34.040 --> 0:50:38.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Grizzly bears and black bears typically don't see you

0:50:38.320 --> 0:50:42.520
<v Speaker 1>as food. If you really entice them, they might, but.

0:50:42.680 --> 0:50:45.400
<v Speaker 2>Now they might see you as a threat something that

0:50:45.520 --> 0:50:48.239
<v Speaker 2>is annoying them, in which case they will still have

0:50:48.280 --> 0:50:52.600
<v Speaker 2>no problems ripping your face off'ugging me. It's like you

0:50:52.680 --> 0:50:55.080
<v Speaker 2>swatting a fly, Like you don't really want to eat

0:50:55.080 --> 0:50:57.319
<v Speaker 2>the fly, You just want it to go away, and

0:50:57.400 --> 0:50:59.719
<v Speaker 2>so you're just gonna swat it, and you are way

0:50:59.719 --> 0:51:02.040
<v Speaker 2>big and stronger than the fly, and so the fly

0:51:02.239 --> 0:51:03.800
<v Speaker 2>is probably going to go to fly heaven.

0:51:04.040 --> 0:51:07.279
<v Speaker 1>Yes, also depicting on a grizzly bear's mood. If it

0:51:07.320 --> 0:51:08.040
<v Speaker 1>does kill you.

0:51:07.960 --> 0:51:10.239
<v Speaker 3>It might be like, well, I don't want to be wasteful.

0:51:10.719 --> 0:51:14.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't want to be I don't waste You

0:51:14.160 --> 0:51:17.040
<v Speaker 1>have that cool soap with the cereal, right, so you

0:51:17.120 --> 0:51:18.560
<v Speaker 1>could have an interesting flavor.

0:51:18.680 --> 0:51:20.319
<v Speaker 2>I might enjoy that, right. Yeah.

0:51:20.320 --> 0:51:24.080
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, polar bears actively stalk people to kill them,

0:51:24.120 --> 0:51:28.400
<v Speaker 1>which is I think we've grown a little bit comfortable

0:51:28.719 --> 0:51:32.120
<v Speaker 1>as humans where we don't see ourselves as prey anymore

0:51:32.200 --> 0:51:36.759
<v Speaker 1>because we've created societies and taxes, so it seems so

0:51:37.239 --> 0:51:38.719
<v Speaker 1>remote that we would be prey.

0:51:38.800 --> 0:51:40.160
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, polar bears.

0:51:39.960 --> 0:51:43.520
<v Speaker 1>Definitely, if they have the chance, they might go after you.

0:51:44.200 --> 0:51:48.000
<v Speaker 2>If you are alone wandering back and forth to your bunker. Yeah,

0:51:48.040 --> 0:51:50.680
<v Speaker 2>out on the Arctic, and they see you and they're hungry,

0:51:50.719 --> 0:51:52.680
<v Speaker 2>which a lot of polar bears are these days. They

0:51:52.760 --> 0:51:56.080
<v Speaker 2>might be like, well, you know what opportunity strikes, I'm

0:51:56.120 --> 0:51:56.680
<v Speaker 2>going to take it.

0:51:57.080 --> 0:52:01.799
<v Speaker 1>Also, people I think who don't live in the northerly

0:52:02.000 --> 0:52:05.839
<v Speaker 1>regions don't realize how enormous moose are.

0:52:06.560 --> 0:52:07.479
<v Speaker 3>And yeah they can.

0:52:09.000 --> 0:52:11.680
<v Speaker 2>If they want, deadly they and they are also not

0:52:11.960 --> 0:52:15.880
<v Speaker 2>like incredibly intelligent. I hope that there's no moose listening it.

0:52:15.920 --> 0:52:18.359
<v Speaker 2>Don't mean to offend, but they are really dumb. And

0:52:18.480 --> 0:52:21.840
<v Speaker 2>so the thing with moose is that a couple of

0:52:21.880 --> 0:52:24.840
<v Speaker 2>things will happen, like a there's a lot of cases

0:52:24.840 --> 0:52:28.000
<v Speaker 2>out there of people feeding moose and the moose is like,

0:52:28.040 --> 0:52:31.440
<v Speaker 2>oh hey, thanks for the snacks, and then you literally

0:52:31.560 --> 0:52:35.719
<v Speaker 2>turn away from the moose and the moose like forgot

0:52:36.440 --> 0:52:39.120
<v Speaker 2>that you have the same thing that was feeding it

0:52:39.239 --> 0:52:41.600
<v Speaker 2>five seconds ago, and is like, oh no, I'm being

0:52:41.640 --> 0:52:43.799
<v Speaker 2>attacked and we'll rewrap and pick you in the head

0:52:44.320 --> 0:52:47.080
<v Speaker 2>and then you die like or have a concussion or

0:52:47.200 --> 0:52:49.600
<v Speaker 2>like our brain dead, like like no, no good things

0:52:49.640 --> 0:52:53.319
<v Speaker 2>happen from being kicked by a moose, right, no, and

0:52:53.000 --> 0:52:55.319
<v Speaker 2>so and then The other thing that happens is that

0:52:56.280 --> 0:52:58.560
<v Speaker 2>they see themselves as the biggest creature out there, which

0:52:58.600 --> 0:53:01.000
<v Speaker 2>in most cases they are, except for now. We have

0:53:01.080 --> 0:53:04.440
<v Speaker 2>things called cars that have only you know, been in

0:53:04.480 --> 0:53:06.839
<v Speaker 2>existence for the last hundred years, and especially up here

0:53:06.840 --> 0:53:09.879
<v Speaker 2>in Alaska really in the last fifty years. And so

0:53:10.239 --> 0:53:14.319
<v Speaker 2>when most see a car, they just walk out in

0:53:14.440 --> 0:53:17.160
<v Speaker 2>front of it like it's just like, it's no, there's

0:53:17.200 --> 0:53:20.680
<v Speaker 2>no concept of that the car is going to mow

0:53:20.760 --> 0:53:23.560
<v Speaker 2>me down. It's that I am the big animal. So

0:53:23.719 --> 0:53:26.479
<v Speaker 2>if something's coming at me, like come at me, bro, Yeah,

0:53:26.760 --> 0:53:27.360
<v Speaker 2>let's dance.

0:53:27.400 --> 0:53:31.400
<v Speaker 1>They will play chicken and the when you're playing a

0:53:31.440 --> 0:53:35.399
<v Speaker 1>game of chicken with the moose, I mean, you're both

0:53:35.440 --> 0:53:36.040
<v Speaker 1>gonna lose.

0:53:36.800 --> 0:53:38.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, nobody wins that.

0:53:38.560 --> 0:53:42.360
<v Speaker 1>Nobody's gonna win that because the moose isn't gonna farewell

0:53:42.400 --> 0:53:46.640
<v Speaker 1>with that, and you're certainly not. Because I mean, I

0:53:46.680 --> 0:53:49.320
<v Speaker 1>would I don't know the statistics of this, but I

0:53:49.400 --> 0:53:53.160
<v Speaker 1>would imagine there are plenty of fatal accidents for both

0:53:53.200 --> 0:53:55.840
<v Speaker 1>the moose and the person drive one hundred percent because

0:53:55.880 --> 0:53:59.080
<v Speaker 1>the moose is so big. It's not like hitting a

0:53:59.160 --> 0:54:02.560
<v Speaker 1>rabbit or I mean, people do die, people do die

0:54:02.640 --> 0:54:05.520
<v Speaker 1>hitting deer, but it's maybe more rare because the deer

0:54:05.960 --> 0:54:10.160
<v Speaker 1>unfortunately it doesn't compete as well with the.

0:54:10.080 --> 0:54:14.000
<v Speaker 3>Car, but a moose can compete even.

0:54:13.800 --> 0:54:17.279
<v Speaker 1>With say like a truck, And so sad energy's got

0:54:17.320 --> 0:54:19.319
<v Speaker 1>to go somewhere, and it's going to be in the

0:54:19.360 --> 0:54:20.719
<v Speaker 1>moose and in you, right.

0:54:21.239 --> 0:54:23.399
<v Speaker 2>And the other thing that people don't consider too when

0:54:23.400 --> 0:54:25.240
<v Speaker 2>they're up here and let's say they rent a car

0:54:25.400 --> 0:54:27.160
<v Speaker 2>or they've just moved up here and they're like, I

0:54:27.200 --> 0:54:29.520
<v Speaker 2>need a vehicle. I'm gonna get a sedan that's low

0:54:29.560 --> 0:54:32.640
<v Speaker 2>to the ground, is that moose are big, and they're tall,

0:54:32.680 --> 0:54:34.879
<v Speaker 2>and they have these long, gangly legs, and so when

0:54:34.880 --> 0:54:38.279
<v Speaker 2>you hit a moose, the brunt of their weight is

0:54:38.320 --> 0:54:41.399
<v Speaker 2>in their body and their body can come up then

0:54:41.600 --> 0:54:44.439
<v Speaker 2>because of the force of the impact and the fact

0:54:44.440 --> 0:54:47.399
<v Speaker 2>that you're hitting them down against their legs, and they

0:54:47.440 --> 0:54:50.520
<v Speaker 2>come up and they land on top of the windshield

0:54:50.600 --> 0:54:53.920
<v Speaker 2>in front of the car area, and so they are crushing.

0:54:54.200 --> 0:54:57.080
<v Speaker 2>That's what happens with a lot of these driver fatalities

0:54:57.080 --> 0:54:59.400
<v Speaker 2>when they hit moose, is that the moose come up

0:54:59.440 --> 0:55:02.080
<v Speaker 2>onto this like they literally their body like flies into

0:55:02.120 --> 0:55:05.120
<v Speaker 2>the sedan and you have all those one hundred pounds

0:55:05.120 --> 0:55:08.880
<v Speaker 2>of weight and they are literally collapsing right down onto

0:55:08.960 --> 0:55:11.840
<v Speaker 2>the front of the car and crushing you know, the windshield,

0:55:11.920 --> 0:55:15.239
<v Speaker 2>the top of the car into the driver. Yeah, no,

0:55:15.360 --> 0:55:17.480
<v Speaker 2>it's not. I had a friend of mine who hit

0:55:17.520 --> 0:55:21.040
<v Speaker 2>a moose many years ago, and she was in a

0:55:21.160 --> 0:55:24.920
<v Speaker 2>super outback I think, is what it was. So not

0:55:25.000 --> 0:55:28.840
<v Speaker 2>like a tiny car, but not like a super huge suv.

0:55:29.560 --> 0:55:32.000
<v Speaker 2>And that's exactly what happened. The moose, you know, came

0:55:32.080 --> 0:55:34.920
<v Speaker 2>up onto the windshield, onto the you know, top of

0:55:34.960 --> 0:55:37.239
<v Speaker 2>the car, crushed it down into her and she ended

0:55:37.280 --> 0:55:42.520
<v Speaker 2>up being in the hospital with multiple stitches, concussion, multiple

0:55:42.560 --> 0:55:45.080
<v Speaker 2>head lacerations that had to be restitched up, and then

0:55:45.120 --> 0:55:47.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, constant like pulling out fragments of flass, even

0:55:48.000 --> 0:55:51.680
<v Speaker 2>over the last over the next several weeks. Yeah, to

0:55:51.800 --> 0:55:53.360
<v Speaker 2>go in there and pull them back out again. So

0:55:53.440 --> 0:55:56.279
<v Speaker 2>it's not a joke. Like moose are just you know,

0:55:56.800 --> 0:55:59.080
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't say that they're like they are kind of adorable,

0:55:59.080 --> 0:56:00.560
<v Speaker 2>depending on like how you look at the movement.

0:56:00.600 --> 0:56:01.360
<v Speaker 3>I think they're cute.

0:56:02.640 --> 0:56:03.279
<v Speaker 2>It can be cute.

0:56:03.440 --> 0:56:07.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm very happy to appreciate them and admire them from

0:56:08.120 --> 0:56:12.279
<v Speaker 1>a distance, from a good distance because as cute as

0:56:12.320 --> 0:56:17.319
<v Speaker 1>they are, as snugly as their big floppy faces. Look,

0:56:18.040 --> 0:56:22.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm not like do it I personally I'm even when

0:56:23.000 --> 0:56:27.400
<v Speaker 1>around horses, I respect the horse a lot because even

0:56:27.400 --> 0:56:33.280
<v Speaker 1>though horses are ridiculously chill with people, they are usually

0:56:33.800 --> 0:56:39.480
<v Speaker 1>yeah it's they also have very powerful kicking power and

0:56:39.680 --> 0:56:42.319
<v Speaker 1>teeth they can bite as well, So I like to

0:56:42.360 --> 0:56:45.680
<v Speaker 1>be very respectful of large animals. I don't just feel

0:56:45.760 --> 0:56:48.920
<v Speaker 1>cool around a large animal because I assume, hey, this

0:56:49.040 --> 0:56:51.640
<v Speaker 1>is an Arab of war, it should be fine. Urban

0:56:51.719 --> 0:56:56.920
<v Speaker 1>wars can seriously mess you up because they've got to

0:56:57.000 --> 0:57:00.560
<v Speaker 1>have some defenses against predators. So don't assume it's, oh,

0:57:00.640 --> 0:57:03.360
<v Speaker 1>this doesn't meet me, it won't mess with me. It

0:57:03.560 --> 0:57:09.440
<v Speaker 1>definitely will. And it's if anything, erbal wares can be

0:57:09.680 --> 0:57:12.840
<v Speaker 1>way more dangerous than predators because if they think that

0:57:12.880 --> 0:57:15.040
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna kill them, they've got nothing to lose, so

0:57:15.080 --> 0:57:17.160
<v Speaker 1>they're gonna really mess you up. Where As a predator,

0:57:17.200 --> 0:57:19.680
<v Speaker 1>if you make it not worth their while, they'll think, Okay,

0:57:19.720 --> 0:57:25.000
<v Speaker 1>i'll check, I'll find a more edible, right animal.

0:57:25.000 --> 0:57:28.440
<v Speaker 2>Right right, kind of more worthy meal exactly, or an

0:57:28.480 --> 0:57:30.200
<v Speaker 2>easy meal that I can just go after.

0:57:30.400 --> 0:57:35.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, Well on that note, I like to play

0:57:35.680 --> 0:57:40.360
<v Speaker 1>a little game called Guess Who's squawking the Mystery Animal

0:57:40.440 --> 0:57:44.360
<v Speaker 1>sound game. Every week I play mystery animal sound and

0:57:44.400 --> 0:57:46.800
<v Speaker 1>you the listener, and you the guest, try to guess

0:57:46.840 --> 0:57:51.600
<v Speaker 1>who is making that sound. The hint for last week's

0:57:51.600 --> 0:58:07.000
<v Speaker 1>sound was don't try to cut into this guy for breakfast.

0:58:10.600 --> 0:58:13.440
<v Speaker 1>And the other hint is that this is found in

0:58:13.560 --> 0:58:16.400
<v Speaker 1>New Zealand. So you got any guesses?

0:58:18.000 --> 0:58:22.040
<v Speaker 2>Ooh, do I have any guesses? New Zealand?

0:58:25.120 --> 0:58:30.440
<v Speaker 1>Do not cut into this guy for breakfast? Hmmm.

0:58:30.680 --> 0:58:33.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to think of like, what is what is

0:58:33.520 --> 0:58:36.720
<v Speaker 2>the pun? There's the pun in there. I'm like trying

0:58:36.720 --> 0:58:40.040
<v Speaker 2>to figure it out. I like funds, so I'm thinking

0:58:40.080 --> 0:58:45.240
<v Speaker 2>like breakfast, eggs, ham, bacon. Am I even on the

0:58:45.320 --> 0:58:45.800
<v Speaker 2>right track?

0:58:46.160 --> 0:58:52.000
<v Speaker 1>Not really almost think of a balanced breakfast with your

0:58:52.200 --> 0:58:54.360
<v Speaker 1>fruits and see me.

0:58:54.920 --> 0:58:56.080
<v Speaker 3>Yes there we go.

0:58:57.880 --> 0:58:58.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, New Zealand.

0:58:59.320 --> 0:59:04.080
<v Speaker 1>I was like, okay, okay, congratulations to Emily M, Nicole L,

0:59:04.320 --> 0:59:06.720
<v Speaker 1>Miriam R. Trish H. M.

0:59:06.800 --> 0:59:08.400
<v Speaker 3>Root K and Marianne D.

0:59:09.400 --> 0:59:11.760
<v Speaker 2>My brain was on bird of course, and so then

0:59:11.840 --> 0:59:14.320
<v Speaker 2>that just wasn't helping me with the Kiwi like at all,

0:59:14.480 --> 0:59:17.160
<v Speaker 2>even though it is a bird. It's like it's a

0:59:17.280 --> 0:59:21.479
<v Speaker 2>it's a ground loving bird, a little tiny Actually saw

0:59:22.400 --> 0:59:26.440
<v Speaker 2>a picture of Kiwi wings the other day. Somebody a

0:59:26.480 --> 0:59:28.560
<v Speaker 2>little video and somebody was like pulling up the little

0:59:28.600 --> 0:59:31.080
<v Speaker 2>kiwi wings to show you what a kiwi's wing looks like.

0:59:31.120 --> 0:59:33.720
<v Speaker 2>And they're there, like they're just like these tiny little nublins,

0:59:33.880 --> 0:59:35.880
<v Speaker 2>like little furry, like little feathery neblins.

0:59:35.960 --> 0:59:41.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're actually they're actually related to other other ratites,

0:59:42.080 --> 0:59:47.320
<v Speaker 1>so ostriches EMUs, these other non flying.

0:59:47.000 --> 0:59:50.520
<v Speaker 2>Birds, lightless birds. Yeah, interesting and so.

0:59:50.600 --> 0:59:56.080
<v Speaker 1>But unlike them, they're very cute, very small and kind

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<v Speaker 1>of they're actually surprisingly big. They're not the size of

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<v Speaker 1>like a kiwi fruit there, they're a handful, right, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I like the size of a I don't know, decently sized,

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<v Speaker 1>say bunny rabbit.

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<v Speaker 2>And they My husband was out hiking one day down

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<v Speaker 2>there and actually got one on video, and of course

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<v Speaker 2>my kids and I were all jealous for like, seriously,

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<v Speaker 2>you get to go hiking. He's a pilot for his job,

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<v Speaker 2>so he flies to all these you know, locations, and

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<v Speaker 2>he's like, what should I do today? I guess I'll

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<v Speaker 2>go hiking on this game trail and oh, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>just get a random video of the KeyWe just send

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<v Speaker 2>back home.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, yeah, not fair. They are really cute. They

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<v Speaker 1>are another one of those animals that look adorable. I

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<v Speaker 1>would love to pet them, but there's absolutely no way

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<v Speaker 1>this thing wants to be pet by me.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it does not. It doesn't want to be messed with.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, leave me alone. I'm going to be over

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<v Speaker 2>here and you just stay over there. Okay, personal space,

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<v Speaker 2>personal space.

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<v Speaker 1>They have to give birth to, well, not birth, but

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<v Speaker 1>they have to lay an egg.

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<v Speaker 2>That is a huge egg.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeh their total body weight. Yeah, an animal that can

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<v Speaker 1>handle that is not going to have patience for your shenanigans.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's the size of a goose egg if

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<v Speaker 2>I remember correctly.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it might even be larger than that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it is. It is a ridiculous proportion of their

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<v Speaker 1>total the size.

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<v Speaker 2>Of its body.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, it's almost It's like it's on the same

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<v Speaker 1>line of ridiculousness as human birth, Like we're we are

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<v Speaker 1>ridiculous animals. The fact that we give birth to a

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<v Speaker 1>baby with such a huge head and is.

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<v Speaker 3>Just sort of risible.

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<v Speaker 1>That compared to a lot of animals that will give

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<v Speaker 1>birth the little blind pink things because it's easier to give.

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<v Speaker 2>Birth to, right, and they can give birth to like

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<v Speaker 2>seventeen of them at once. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we're kind of like the key we where we

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<v Speaker 1>give birth to like one very big baby massive, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>one massive baby, and then invest a lot of resources

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<v Speaker 1>into it and.

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<v Speaker 3>It does it doesn't.

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<v Speaker 1>There is a benefit to having a large egg harder

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<v Speaker 1>to eat. You know what's a snake's not going to

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<v Speaker 1>have an easy time get not down it scollets. So

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<v Speaker 1>there's benefits to it and there's negatives to it, which

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<v Speaker 1>is you have to.

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<v Speaker 2>Get car around seriously.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, moms, poor Kiwi moms. All right, onto this

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<v Speaker 1>week's mister Animal's sound. The hint is this, this bird

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<v Speaker 1>has one of the loudest calls in the world. So

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<v Speaker 1>I'm giving you a lot of information here. Ah, this

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<v Speaker 1>is a bird with one of the loudest calls in

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<v Speaker 1>the world. All right, you got any guesses?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh? It sounds like a really annoying alarm, a se

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<v Speaker 2>journey system.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that I should probably replace my alarm clock

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<v Speaker 1>with this sound and I will up.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, what is that?

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<v Speaker 1>Because I'm someone who sleeps through alarms, So I set

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<v Speaker 1>like twenty of them because it's like alarm number one,

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<v Speaker 1>alarm number two, alarm number three. Seriously, get up now, alarm,

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<v Speaker 1>but this would probably wake me up. It is as

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<v Speaker 1>loud as a pneumatic drill, so it is an extremely

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<v Speaker 1>loud creature. If you think you know the answer, you

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<v Speaker 1>can write to me at Creature featurepod at gmail dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>Fork tell people where they can find your book.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you can find cute animals that can kill

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<v Speaker 2>you dead just about anywhere. Barnes and Noble, Amazon, Target,

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<v Speaker 2>Walmart online if they don't have it in the store.

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<v Speaker 2>But I like to support local businesses. So if you

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<v Speaker 2>have a favorite local bookstore, go to your bookstore and say, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>if you don't have this book, could you please order

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<v Speaker 2>it for me right now? Then you're getting your book,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, maybe they'll let you order it online

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<v Speaker 2>if they have that feature with your local bookstore. You

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<v Speaker 2>can also go to your local library and if they

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<v Speaker 2>don't have a book that you want to get you

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you know this or not, but

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<v Speaker 2>you can actually go to your library and you can

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<v Speaker 2>request them to order books. And I believe that it

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<v Speaker 2>depends on the library, but you can request up to

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<v Speaker 2>maybe five or ten books a year per person. So

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<v Speaker 2>if you have kids and you know, like the library

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't have a book that they want, they can even

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<v Speaker 2>request books that they want as well, and you can

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<v Speaker 2>all request all the books. So sometimes they also have

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<v Speaker 2>a feature where if you request the book, then I

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<v Speaker 2>believe you are the first one to get it. Amazing

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<v Speaker 2>to have the opportunity to check that book out, so

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<v Speaker 2>it's not like they're like, oh, yeah, we got it

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<v Speaker 2>and then we just put it in there and somebody

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<v Speaker 2>else checked it out, so yeah, you Yes, libraries are

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<v Speaker 2>the best. So support your local library, support your local bookstore.

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<v Speaker 2>Find all the.

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<v Speaker 1>Books there amazing, and you're you're coming out with a

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<v Speaker 1>couple more of them. So that's fantastic. And thank you

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<v Speaker 1>guys so much for listening to the show. If you're

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<v Speaker 1>enjoying it. Writing and reviewing always helps me. Always appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 3>Not your mother.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't tell you what to do, but I can

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<v Speaker 1>tell you. If you find something brightly colored and alive

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<v Speaker 1>in nature, don't put it in your mouth. Leave it alone.

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<v Speaker 1>Not gonna taste like candy. I can tell you that much.

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<v Speaker 1>See you next Wednesday.