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Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature feature production of iHeartRadio. I'm your host

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Speaker 1: of Many Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied psychology and evolutionary biology,

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Speaker 1: and today on the show we are talking about cute, adorable, sweet,

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Speaker 1: patible animals, except maybe not really because they are serial killers.

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Speaker 1: These animals love killing and they're really good at it,

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Speaker 1: from little critters to animals that you might not want

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Speaker 1: to touch either. Joining me today is Animal Lover, children's

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Speaker 1: book author and writer of the book Cute Animals That

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Speaker 1: Could Kill You Dead, Burah Cartman.

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Speaker 2: Welcome, Thank you.

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Speaker 3: This is one of my favorite topics.

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Speaker 2: Love.

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Speaker 1: I both love talking about animals that look terrifying but

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Speaker 1: are really sweet and wonderful, like say a whale shark

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Speaker 1: right looks like something that would eat you, but they're

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Speaker 1: really sweet. They're really hard rmless. And of course the

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Speaker 1: inverse of that is talking about animals that are adorable

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Speaker 1: but are just the most fierce little killers of.

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Speaker 3: The animal kingdom.

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Speaker 2: Exactly.

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Speaker 1: And so your book is it's for children, so it's

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Speaker 1: a little more it's more focused on the animals that

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Speaker 1: kill other little critters like insects or other small animals.

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Speaker 2: Correct, that's true. I mean I tried to make it

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Speaker 2: fun where it's like, okay, kill you dead, maybe you

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Speaker 2: is sort of metaphorically like if you happen to be

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Speaker 2: an avid or you know, a rodench or something like that.

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Speaker 2: But there are a couple of animals in there that

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Speaker 2: you still would definitely not want to mess with that

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Speaker 2: if you didn't have a hospital or at least a

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Speaker 2: very well stocked urgent care nearby, that there was a

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Speaker 2: potential chance of death. Oh do tell your future.

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Speaker 3: Tell what's one of these?

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Speaker 2: I mean, for instance, if you think of this low loris,

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Speaker 2: which I've heard is a very favorite animal of a

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Speaker 2: lot of kids that know what this is, a lot

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Speaker 2: of people have no idea what this lolres is. It's

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Speaker 2: actually a primate. It is adorable. Like if you look

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Speaker 2: at this thing, it looks like it shouldn't exist. It

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Speaker 2: looks like nature was like, let's take a kawai anime

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Speaker 2: of an animal and make it exist like a poke, right,

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Speaker 2: and it's like a panda bear but like cuter. It's

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Speaker 2: so hard to explain until you actually look at a

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Speaker 2: picture of us lolrs. These are the only venomous primates,

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Speaker 2: and so what they do is they have a gland

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Speaker 2: in their armpit, and when they feel threatened, they lick

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Speaker 2: this gland, and the gland has toxins that they produce,

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Speaker 2: and then they put those toxins on their teeth, and

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Speaker 2: so if they bite you, it can cause this like

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Speaker 2: necritizing fasciatus, like a very severe like yeah, so maybe

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Speaker 2: not instant death, but like maybe you should go check that,

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Speaker 2: get that check that pretty soon.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. On a scale of one to go to the hospital,

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Speaker 1: it's like a twelve, right, exactly. Yes, they are extremely

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Speaker 1: cute and you'll see them. Actually, I've seen some videos

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Speaker 1: of people who bewilderingly have them as pets and they'll

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Speaker 1: be like lifting up their armpits and it's like, oh, look,

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Speaker 1: how cute that is. It's like no, that no, that's

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Speaker 1: he's thinking about biting you.

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Speaker 2: And that's an interesting point because one of the sort

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Speaker 2: of behind the scenes purposes of writing this book is

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Speaker 2: that we often see these cute animals in real life

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Speaker 2: because they're out in the wild or are there a zoo,

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Speaker 2: and you know, you people like, oh, I want it

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Speaker 2: as a pet, and it's like, you know, they're adorable,

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Speaker 2: but a lot of wild animals need to just stay

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Speaker 2: wild and the slow Loris is one of them. They're

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Speaker 2: actually being traded on the illegalist sometimes illegally, on the

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Speaker 2: sort of this underground pet trade and what people are doing,

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Speaker 2: and this is kind of horrifying. They're taking out their teeth,

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Speaker 2: the slow Lorus's teeth, because that is how they would

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Speaker 2: distribute this venom. And so they're like, oh, well, I

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Speaker 2: want to slow Loris as a pet, I'll just take

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Speaker 2: not do that.

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Speaker 3: Maybe we leave it not.

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Speaker 1: Maybe we leave the slow lorises alone and let them

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Speaker 1: keep their teeth. Yeah. I've seen them as uh pets, unfortunately,

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Speaker 3: That's awful.

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Speaker 2: I think sometimes they do both. I have heard. I've

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Speaker 2: heard both. I was just on another podcast recently when

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Speaker 2: you're talking about the illegal slow Loris pet trades like

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Speaker 2: the dark Side, No, it's cute animals.

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Speaker 1: I just you know, I'm a huge advocate of pets

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Speaker 1: have had such a long history with us, right as

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Speaker 1: cats and dogs. These are exactly ideal pets because dogs

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Speaker 1: have co evolved with us.

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Speaker 3: And they are so cute.

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Speaker 1: And cats, if you want something wild, more exotic, the cat,

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Speaker 1: which cats is barely domesticated, it is, and yet it's tiger.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like exactly, are like basically a tiger. If you

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Speaker 2: want your own tiger, just go get a house. Just

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Speaker 2: get a cat.

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Speaker 1: Let's get a house cat. And it's a mutually beneficial relationship.

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Speaker 1: If you're feeling real wild, hamster, guinea pig, those are

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Speaker 2: I have a guinea pig in the cage sitting next

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Speaker 2: to me right now, and he would one hundred percent

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Speaker 2: agree with you. He would definitely not like to be

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Speaker 2: turned wild anytime. So it's like I've got my soft

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Speaker 2: fed I've got my pound of veggies that I'm given

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Speaker 2: on a daily basis. I've had this mound of hay

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Speaker 1: They're tiny cows essentially, Yeah, they are.

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Speaker 2: He gets kind of the run of the house. Sometimes

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Speaker 2: we let him like just kind of explore the house

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Speaker 2: as a leisure, but he just prefers his cage most

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Speaker 2: so he's really would not like to be a wild

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Speaker 1: No, they're pretty content sitting there munching on their alfalfa.

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Speaker 1: I had a guinea pig growing up, and its favorite

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Speaker 1: which it's because I think it thought it was like burrowing,

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Speaker 1: but you know, I would scratch the heck out of

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Speaker 3: My leg, so it's not it's not super comfortable.

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Speaker 1: But yeah. So my feeling is that there are a

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Speaker 1: lot of pets that already exist that that need homes.

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Speaker 1: Right you go to your local shelter, there are tons

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Speaker 3: Homes, tons of them so cute.

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Speaker 1: That doesn't require you to remove their teeth so they

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Speaker 2: So, and you're not buying them on an illegal like

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Speaker 2: You're rescuing animals that already need homes. They want to

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Speaker 2: live in your home with you. You are doing them

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Speaker 2: need actually rescued. Now as far as this lolors goes,

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Speaker 2: I mean, they do need assistance in that their habitat

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Speaker 2: have like sanctuaries and wildlife Protection Acts and things like that,

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Speaker 2: like donate to those places, like support those places. You know,

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Speaker 2: a healthy environment where they don't have to get their

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Speaker 2: teeth removed. Yes, they can just live like they want

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Speaker 1: Yes, exactly exactly. I mean I think that people who

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Speaker 1: their poopies and uh but yeah, it's I think that

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Speaker 1: It also does not equal friendly.

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Speaker 2: Uh right.

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Speaker 1: One of my favorite examples is the blackfooted cat.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, which do you know? This one?

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Speaker 1: Is this in your book? I book oh, perfect, perfect, wonderful.

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Speaker 1: I picked this one out. I didn't know realize it

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Speaker 1: was in your book. But that's fantastic.

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Speaker 2: So the world's deadliest cat and it's also one of

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Speaker 2: the world's smallest cats. It's crazy cute, it's adorable.

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Speaker 1: It's got a sixty percent kill success rate. That's that

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Speaker 1: is much better than say a lion. It is really

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Speaker 2: And it will kill things that are bigger than it is. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so if you think about that, that would be like a

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Speaker 1: I think it's pretty rare for a lion to be

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Speaker 3: Usually it works in a group to be able to

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Speaker 2: But yeah, they is just like lone kitty, Yeah, in

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Speaker 1: Than they're around two to four pounds. That's trainy.

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Speaker 2: Like in my book, I liken it to a can

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Speaker 1: Now I'm imagining one extremely angry blackfooted cat inside a

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Speaker 1: would be a way to weaponize them. You have them

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Speaker 2: It's like the world's worst jack in the box. Yes, right, yeah,

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Speaker 2: get nuclear warfare. Let's just unleash a bunch of blackfooted

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Speaker 2: Either that or they would just cute the heck out

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Speaker 2: of them. Yeah, like look at them and they'd be like,

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Speaker 2: oh my gosh, we can't take it anymore. They're adorable.

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Speaker 1: It's like that scene in Shrek where Puss and Boots

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Speaker 1: gives them that really adorable lie and then the cats

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Speaker 2: Least incapacitates them in some fairly brutal way, right right exactly.

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Speaker 1: They're called ant hill tigers because they're so fierce and

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Speaker 1: They do not enjoy the press people. They do not

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Speaker 1: want to be pet They will know if you It's

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Speaker 1: like if you when you try to take if you

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Speaker 1: have a cat, when you try to take your cat

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Speaker 1: to the vet, that murderous energy that you have in

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Speaker 1: your cat. But twenty four to seven seven days a week, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And you think your cat begs for food all the time,

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Speaker 2: like this thing. They have one of the highest metabolisms

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Speaker 1: I will kill it and I will eat it. They

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Speaker 2: Okay, so I have several obviously, I mean I wrote

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Speaker 2: Right, it's crazy. And so it's like your mother nature

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Speaker 1: They look like little balls of fluff. And they do

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Speaker 3: They'll grab it down, pull you down, and eat you.

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, I am writing another cute animal's book.

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Speaker 2: I might have to look these up because I thought

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Speaker 2: that sounds awesome, alley.

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Speaker 1: Because just the sheer terror of your lizard. You're minding

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Speaker 2: With sand, so that the side down, crazy crazy evolutionary

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Speaker 1: Very cute, very strange, and they kill in the most

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Speaker 3: There on the sand, minding your.

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Speaker 2: Own It's it's a hundred percent. It's the sheep. It's

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Speaker 2: the sheep? Exactly? Oh my gosh, I love it.

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Speaker 3: Hit me with another one from your book.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so we can go straight up like poisoned dart frog,

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Speaker 2: you dead. And I mean, I think most people know

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00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,800
Speaker 2: these animals, but the part that I liked writing about

437
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:04,440
Speaker 2: them with my book was just like how deadly they are.

438
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 2: Like it's like, this is no joke. Oh hey, you

439
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,880
Speaker 2: touch them and you'll be fine. It's like, no, they

440
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:14,960
Speaker 2: could kill you, like several times over again, Yes they are.

441
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,879
Speaker 2: Maybe we just slowly mess with them. Yeah, right, And

442
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 2: but it's one of those things again where it's just

443
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 2: these these tiny bright frogs. And the other thing I

444
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 2: talk about in the book is that bright colors often

445
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:29,879
Speaker 2: signify no touchy right, So here as humans and I

446
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,479
Speaker 2: don't know what the joke is that we were involved

447
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,320
Speaker 2: to assume bright colors is awesome, Like let's go touch

448
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,119
Speaker 2: like Easter time, let's go buy all the bright blue

449
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 2: peeps out there, or the jelly beans or something and

450
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 2: eat them, because in nature, if you did that, we

451
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,200
Speaker 2: would all be dead, Like we would just all die,

452
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 2: Like every animal that is bright colored in nature is like,

453
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,440
Speaker 2: that's that's for a reason, because it's like, dude, don't

454
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,399
Speaker 2: mess with me. I will literally kill you. And so

455
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 2: poisoned dart frogs are one hundred percent that, Like, they're

456
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:59,920
Speaker 2: all these pretty jewel colors. Maybe it's bright beady eyes,

457
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 2: and they're just super tiny, and it's just like, oh

458
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 2: my gosh, as people. How many people do you think

459
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 2: in the history of humanity have died bipores and dirt

460
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 2: frogs before they were like, we do not touch these anymore.

461
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:14,119
Speaker 3: Probably quite a few.

462
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:20,160
Speaker 1: It is interesting because with a lot of deadly, brightly

463
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 1: colored animals, something that's called apisimitism. It is actually a

464
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:30,440
Speaker 1: learning process, not just for human beings but for other animals.

465
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:34,639
Speaker 1: And you have this interesting calculation where some of them

466
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 1: are so poisonous to consume that they'll just kill the animal,

467
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,120
Speaker 1: but some of them are poisonous enough that they will

468
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 1: cause a very strong reaction but not actually kill the animal,

469
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:51,640
Speaker 1: which can be beneficial because in that case that animal

470
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 1: then learns I can't mess with these guys, and you

471
00:24:56,000 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 1: have mimics. There are frogs that actually the poison dart

472
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 1: frogs who also have that brightly colored skin, right, and

473
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 1: they take advantage of the fact that, oh, this is

474
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,120
Speaker 1: like a warning sign, right, So I mimic that. Now

475
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 1: I get protection without having to create the toxin, my toxin.

476
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 1: Because the toxin everything, any kind of defensive strategy usually

477
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,880
Speaker 1: has some cost associated with it. For poison dart frogs,

478
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,959
Speaker 1: creating the toxin requires resources, so they actually eat it

479
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 1: in their diet. That's why you might see if you

480
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:32,000
Speaker 1: ever see someone holding a poison dart frog and like

481
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 1: a photo or something, don't think it's safe. Is probably

482
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 1: a pet because they get there most of this toxin

483
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 1: from the diet that they have in if.

484
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 2: They feed them like fruit flies, then it's not a

485
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 2: big deal because exactly they're not ingesting this tox on

486
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 2: a regular basis, and so they're not producing it in

487
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 2: their their.

488
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 1: Skin exactly right, And so there's a cost to producing

489
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:57,400
Speaker 1: that toxin which comes from the nutrition that they get.

490
00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 1: And so for a mimic, they can get the same

491
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,919
Speaker 1: effect of hey, look, I'm dangerous. I have this bold

492
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 1: red and black or yellow and black, without the cost

493
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,679
Speaker 1: of producing the toxin. But what happens is you have

494
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 1: these population fluctuations because of the learning process of animals

495
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 1: testing things eating. If there are too many mimics and

496
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,360
Speaker 1: animals are like, hey, when I eat these guys, nothing happens,

497
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,959
Speaker 1: then you actually have this population shift where the animals

498
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,159
Speaker 1: start to eat more of them, and then the mimic

499
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,880
Speaker 1: population starts to go down as well as a bit

500
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 1: the poisonous population, until the mimic population is low enough

501
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:42,119
Speaker 1: that that signal, the apisomatic signal of brightly colored equals

502
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,399
Speaker 1: zone comes back and play exactly. So there's this really

503
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 1: there's all this math that I'm not going to explain

504
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 1: because I'm underqualified, but it's really it's really really cool

505
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 1: that you can see these relationships. It happens a lot

506
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 1: in butterflies too, because those are yes. But yeah.

507
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:03,400
Speaker 2: And caterpillars, yeah, same exact, same idea exactly. Yeah. I've

508
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,400
Speaker 2: got a couple caterpillars that are in my books. In

509
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 2: my second book, there's the puppy faced saddleback catterlepillar. Oh cute,

510
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 2: and that's adorable. If you have not seen this, I mean,

511
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 2: you can wait for the book to come out next year,

512
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 2: the second book, not the first books books. First book's

513
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:19,640
Speaker 2: already out, but the second book has this in there,

514
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 2: and it's this crazy looking caterpillar. Yeah. These guys, seriously

515
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 2: they look like these it's weird. It's like that's a dog, Like,

516
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,399
Speaker 2: that's a puppy with these big eyes and they're like green,

517
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 2: and then they have these like floppy like ear fuzzy

518
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 2: ear looking things on them and it's like toxic spikes

519
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 2: on your Like, maybe we don't touch this puppy on

520
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 2: its ear.

521
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: It looks like it looks like one of those what

522
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 1: are they called the little little scotty terriers, Yeah, scotty dogs.

523
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 1: But the dog a green blanket on his back.

524
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 2: Or who was lady in the tramp? Oh?

525
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's she's a cocker spaniel, yeah spaniel, a little

526
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 1: like a cocker spanielton and she's got this cute little

527
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,640
Speaker 1: blanket on her back and she's very adorable looking. But yeah,

528
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:09,439
Speaker 1: with those there. It's confusing with caterpillars because some of

529
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 1: them have fuzz and spines that are actually not toxic toxic.

530
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 1: They might not even be rdicating, meaning like these sears

531
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 1: that are kind of irritating, but a lot of them do.

532
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 1: So my advice with caterpillars is just don't touch it.

533
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 1: It looks fluffy and cuddly like that might be the worst.

534
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a wooly slug that I'm currently working on

535
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 2: a third book, and the wooly slug is going to

536
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 2: be in the third books. It looks like this floppy,

537
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 2: like ungroomed shaggy dog. Yeah, I mean it's like this

538
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 2: little it looks goes soft. Yeah, it's like a mop

539
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 2: that somebody like disconnected from the broom, from the handle

540
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 2: and just is like crawling around. But it's the most

541
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,959
Speaker 2: toxic caterpillar in all of North America to cardiac arrest.

542
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: Kind of looks like a two pay a little bit.

543
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

544
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 1: Yes, So if it's if it's fluffy and it's a caterpillar,

545
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: unless you really know what you're doing, probably shouldn't. But

546
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: with this, with the puppy face caterpillar, it's really interesting

547
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: because for us, we have this evolutionary response to big eyes,

548
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: big foreheads. That's cute, and we like a baby. It's

549
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: a baby, and we like it, we want to bab up.

550
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 2: We take care of it with a little baby bottle.

551
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: But in nature, so this evolution was not done for us.

552
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 1: It was not made for our benefit. This was done

553
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: for birds, I would assume, so birds and other potential

554
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 1: predators for this caterpillar. Where a lot of caterpillars will

555
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 1: employ these eye spots where it's like, hey, I am

556
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: a bigger thing than you think I am. So some

557
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: of them have even evolved to have this incredible mimicry

558
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 1: of say a snake, so having the eye spots. Yes,

559
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: and they will move a little bit like a snake

560
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 1: to try to fake out birds, right.

561
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 2: And a lot of time that's on its butt, yes,

562
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 2: like its head is its butt and its butt is

563
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 2: its head, because it's like, attack my butt because you

564
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 2: think it's my head, And then I'll get away because

565
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 2: actually I'll be scooting opposite direction exactly. You might maybe

566
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 2: take a little bit of pecks off my rear end,

567
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 2: but I'll be fine. I'll get away and I'll be

568
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 2: able to reproduce at a later time.

569
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. One of the wildest ones there are the wingtips

570
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: of that Atlas moth.

571
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 2: Have you seen it's I know what an Atlas moth looks?

572
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 1: Yeah?

573
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 2: They Yeah, what tell me about them?

574
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: So, like the if you look at the whole Atlas moth,

575
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 1: it might not be super obvious, but if you look

576
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 1: at just the wing tips. Yeah, it kind of looks

577
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 1: like a snakehead. And yes, yes they can when they

578
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 1: have their wings kind of folded, it looks like these

579
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: snake heads. And it's incredible because it looks like this

580
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 1: detailed art of snakehead. And it's just it's just wild

581
00:30:55,560 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 1: that through millions of years of these yeah mutations, you

582
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: get to this point where it's like these bombs that

583
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 1: tended to have their wing tips look a little bit more,

584
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 1: you know, probably started with a simple eye spot and

585
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: then came a.

586
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 2: Lot more detailed.

587
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly exactly. So yeah, just wild.

588
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 2: Is it's so wild. And I have a gecko actually

589
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 2: a flying gecko in my book, so similarly and kind

590
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 2: of along a different evolutionary path. Geckos, as you know,

591
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 2: as you probably know, you know, their tails can fall off.

592
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 2: So you have the bird attacking this like wiggling looking

593
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 2: tail thing. The tail falls off, it continues to wiggle,

594
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 2: and the gecko just gets away. Yeah it's it grows back,

595
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 2: and so here it's like it's weird. The bird actually

596
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 2: kind of gets a snack out of it, and yet

597
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 2: the fine, Yeah.

598
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: Better than getting entirely eaten exactly. For sure.

599
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 2: I mean you still have to regrow a tail. Yeah,

600
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 2: it takes the time, but at least you're not officially dead.

601
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 1: There's actually a type of scorpion who can lose its

602
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: tail like that, but instead of regrowing it, it's just like, well,

603
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: I've lost my tail, so now I'm just not going

604
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: to have a tail for the rest of my life.

605
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: And it doesn't even it doesn't even poop for the

606
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 1: rest of its life. It just lives as long as

607
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 1: it can hopefully reproduces before it dies and then dies.

608
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. Yeah, that's crazy, you know, core scorpion. Well,

609
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 2: I kind of feel for it. Yeah, sorry, buddy. It's

610
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 2: like those fish that have the the worm that infects

611
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 2: its mouth.

612
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, those are parasitic copapods or not copapods, I'm sorry,

613
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 1: parasitic isopods that hang on because its tongue, the tongue.

614
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: It's actually so like the the tongue is still there,

615
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: but the isopods sort of hang on and they drink

616
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: blood from the tongue and they they and they eat

617
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: part of the tong and the tongue is so the

618
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,959
Speaker 1: problem is that the they are really not that beneficial

619
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 1: to these fish. They don't know, they don't they're not

620
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: it's not yeah exactly. It's not like, oh, now they

621
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: have a tongue, but it's like a little friend, who's

622
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 1: your tongue. The fish don't get as much nutrition. And

623
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 1: then when the parasite completes its life cycle, because usually

624
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: these are females, and then they manage to complete their

625
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: life cycle by laying offspring, they will leave the fish

626
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: and then the fish has this like mangled stump of

627
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 1: a tongue and they usually don't survive. Yeah, so it's

628
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: not a good it's not like a fun thing of

629
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: like eat your tongue and drink your blood.

630
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 2: But it's fine, totally fine. We're all fine.

631
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 3: It's not just like wait what it's.

632
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 2: Like, I'm calling my layer.

633
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 1: I don't think I got a good h It's wild

634
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: to see though, when you open up these fish mouth

635
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: and you just see this little ice of pod and

636
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 1: if you're wondering what it looks like, they kind of

637
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 1: look like a large white version of like a roly poly.

638
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: So they're just like sitting there. It's like, hello, yeah,

639
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: it's gross. Thanks, it is pretty nasty.

640
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 3: Well, we're gonna on that note. We're gonna take a

641
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 3: quick bite.

642
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 1: We're gonna take a quick break and then talk about

643
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 1: cuter animals who are no less menacing. All right, we

644
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 1: are back. And when you were talking earlier about these

645
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 1: poisoned dart frogs, I have to bring up the blue

646
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: ringed octopus because I love I love octopuses. I think

647
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: they are so cute. All I want to do is

648
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 1: pick them up and squeeze them, because they look very squishable.

649
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 1: I wouldn't do that because I respect the octopus. But

650
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: there's one that you should especially not do that, both

651
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: out of respect and also because you will die. This

652
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 1: is the blue ringed octopus. They are adorable looking. They

653
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: only grow to be around five to eight inches. They

654
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 1: are found across the Indian and Pacific Oceans near Australia

655
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,800
Speaker 1: and Japan, and they are covered in the these beautiful

656
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:06,399
Speaker 1: bright blue rings, and they are so so cute, and

657
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 1: the rest of their skin is kind of a model brown,

658
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: so they usually blend in a little bit with their environment.

659
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: But they do have these bright blue rings, and it's like,

660
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: that's interesting, No, why would it have these really bright

661
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 1: beautiful rings on its body. When they are provoked, they

662
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: turn into this brilliant yellow as well. And if that's

663
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: not enough, because it's given you a couple of warning.

664
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 1: It's like, dude, I have these blue rings.

665
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:31,800
Speaker 3: On my body.

666
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 1: Now I'm turning bright yellow, and now I'm flashing my

667
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: blue rings because octopuses have these incredible cells called chromatophores

668
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: that can actually change their pigment dynamically, so they are

669
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: flashing at you like my color is meant to tell

670
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: you bad idea, let me go. And if that doesn't work, finally,

671
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: they will bite you, so ye, which is funny. You'd

672
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: think that maybe it's their skin has some toxin in it, right,

673
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 1: like the poisoned dart frogs. No, they actually have a

674
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: little beak and they will bite you, and they are

675
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 1: chock full of the neurotoxin tetratotoxin, which they will release

676
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: into your bloodstream. And they have enough venom in their

677
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 1: adorable squishy little bodies to kill around thirty adult humans,

678
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:30,320
Speaker 1: which yes, they can kill you within just a few minutes.

679
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:35,280
Speaker 1: So they can cause heart failure, respiratory arrest, or total paralysis.

680
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: So you need treatment yesterday. If one of these guys

681
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: bite you.

682
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 2: You just don't want to present.

683
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 3: You just don't want to touch them.

684
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 2: Don't touch them. They're in my second book, Awesome. I

685
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 2: was like, I gotta put them in here somewhere. Yes,

686
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 2: and they're adorable, cute little octopuses. Like, who doesn't want

687
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 2: to the cute little octopuses? Yes, Oh wait, it's full

688
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 2: of tetritoxin.

689
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 3: It is full of toxins.

690
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,760
Speaker 1: I feel like they're really polite about it, though, because.

691
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,280
Speaker 3: They do give you so much warning. They don't.

692
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 2: They don't like, they don't want to be they don't

693
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 2: want to go after you proactively. They're not hunting you.

694
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 2: They're just like, dude, leave me alone. Okay, I mean, okay,

695
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,879
Speaker 2: unless you're a crab. If you're a crustacean, yes, then

696
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 2: yes they are actually hunting you. And yes they're going

697
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 2: to actually inject you in with that talk, in that talk,

698
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 2: with that toxin intentionally because they want you to die

699
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 2: so that they need them.

700
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, they need that, ye crab bake exactly. Yes, but

701
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: that's actually that is actually the case for venomous snakes

702
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: as well. This is something that animals that use their

703
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: venom both for hunting and for defense are often much

704
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 1: more hesitant to use it for defense because that means

705
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 1: they don't have that for their hunting. So if they

706
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: think they can ward you off, you know, it's like

707
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: how a rattlesnake will rattle at you. It's actually it's

708
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 1: trying to give you a chance, like, please, just don't bother,

709
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: don't bug me. I I just I'm very shy. I

710
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 1: struggle with sort of social situations. I don't want to

711
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 1: be touched. I have boundaries, but trying to establish their boundaries,

712
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: it's very important to listen to them. There's actually also

713
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,399
Speaker 1: a lot of snakes who will do dry bites, so

714
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 1: they have the ability to invenimate you and they will bite,

715
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 1: but sometimes they actually don't release their venom because it's

716
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: a valuable resource and for them, they would rather you

717
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: go away with just a dry bite than have to

718
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 1: waste their venom on you because they need to use

719
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 1: that for hunting. Right, So it's very similar with these

720
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 1: little octopuses. They don't want to waste their venom on you.

721
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: They don't want to antagonize you. They just want to

722
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 1: be left alone. So that's why they use all of

723
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: these various warnings like look, I've got these bright blue rings. Okay,

724
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 1: you're touching me. Now I'm bright yellow. Now my rings

725
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: are flashing. You got to leave me alone. Man.

726
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 2: It's like a stoplight. It's like you've got the green light,

727
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 2: but then you've got the yellow and it's like, oh hey,

728
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 2: slow down, and then you have the red light. And

729
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 2: it's like if you're still going at their red light,

730
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,359
Speaker 2: then maybe we need to have a conversation about, you know,

731
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 2: our impulse control, because let's just stop right, Yeah, don't

732
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 2: go touch the bright blinking octopus that's literally giving all

733
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 2: the flashing warnings.

734
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's not a light show for our benefit,

735
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 1: it is. It is a warning.

736
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 2: So on the chromatic warnings. I have ladybugs in my

737
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 2: first book too, because we think of lady bugs as

738
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,399
Speaker 2: being these adorable little bugs. Right, They're so cute. They're

739
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 2: like little roly poly they're rosy, they have these cute

740
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 2: little spots, but if you look at them under a microscope,

741
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 2: they have these serrated jaws because they are one hundred

742
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 2: percent predator and their rosy color is actually a warning

743
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 2: for other predators to get away from them, because they

744
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 2: have a foul sort of a taste and smell to

745
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 2: them when they are eaten, and so predators are like, okay,

746
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 2: it's like part of that. You know, red means stop

747
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 2: warning that we again, as people who are sometimes dumb,

748
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:55,439
Speaker 2: are like, oh look it's cute. This is cute red,

749
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 2: you know, spotted color. It's adorable, and I have them

750
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 2: in that book because they are hundred present predators to aphids.

751
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 2: Like not only do the adult ladybugs eat tons and

752
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 2: tons and tons of aphods all day long, they just

753
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 2: like want all the aphids, but when they're born, when

754
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 2: they hatch as larvae, they eat aphid larvae, and so

755
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 2: it's like the babies are eating the babies, and then

756
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 2: the adults are baby wore adults and the other baby.

757
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,839
Speaker 2: It's crazy. It's like they're just like these little like

758
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 2: detonating machines. That which is why you know it's lucky

759
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 2: to have them in your garden because you want them

760
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 2: to eat all the aphids. But again that's sort of

761
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 2: evolved into this like oh, the adorable little ladybuget it's

762
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 2: like that's a predator. Like you have a little mini predator, yes,

763
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 2: in your garden, which, yes, you want that, it's great,

764
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 2: but like that's that's it's like, what's cute to us.

765
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 2: If you were an aphid, you would be running away

766
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 2: in sheer terror because these things are like these giant,

767
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 2: massive like megaladons coming at you.

768
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: Also, if you've seen their their larva, like the the

769
00:40:56,640 --> 00:41:04,399
Speaker 1: more juvenile forms of the ladybug, they're horrifying looking, right.

770
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 1: I remember, I remember the first time I saw one

771
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 1: as a kid. I was terrified. Yes, and I think

772
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 1: I showed it to one of my parents. Is this

773
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 1: very scary bug I found? It's like, oh, that's a

774
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 1: baby ladybug? That No, this is again, this looks like

775
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: an alien that's gonna wriggle its way into my ear

776
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,280
Speaker 1: and control my brain. This does not look harmless exactly.

777
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 2: You're like, I saw this on Star Trek. I know what,

778
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 2: I know it's happening. Let's not mess with this thing, right.

779
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 1: Also, I was a very I I loved picking stuff

780
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: up as a kid.

781
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 3: Thank goodness. I did not live somewhere where there were

782
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 3: I was not.

783
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 1: I didn't grow If I grew up in Australia, I

784
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 1: don't know if i'd be sitting here talking to you

785
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 1: right now. So I I did learn not to touch

786
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: black widows, so that's good. Or scorpions another good thing,

787
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 1: but everything else I would try to pick up and

788
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 1: I would pick up a lot of late bugs, and

789
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 1: I would hold them in my hand and I'd be like,

790
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: we're best friends now. And then I'd smell something kind

791
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 1: of nasty and yep like in my hand and there'd

792
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 1: be a little orange fluid and I would think like, Oh,

793
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 1: did they throw up?

794
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:13,240
Speaker 3: Did they poopy?

795
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 1: Did they peepy? I didn't realize when I was a

796
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: kid that this is its defensive mechanism of saying like, look,

797
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,399
Speaker 1: I'm nasty. You don't want to eat me? Of course

798
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 1: I didn't want to eat it. I wanted to be friends,

799
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,839
Speaker 1: best friends with this lady bug. So I didn't get

800
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:27,800
Speaker 1: the message.

801
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 2: But right, nevertheless, I oh left me at present.

802
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like very yeah, and it has it had

803
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: a very almost metallic, unpleasant smell to it.

804
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 2: So a slight detour. Have you ever heard of Jay's

805
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 2: the j Family of Birds doing something called anting?

806
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 1: Yes? I love this, Yeah, sobs.

807
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 2: So and I mean sounds like you totally know what

808
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 2: I'm talking about. So, and I'll just kind of go

809
00:42:58,080 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 2: through it.

810
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 3: No, no, no, explain it because this is antieatic.

811
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 2: So on the when we're talking about the ladybugs and

812
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 2: excreting this like sort of smelly, nasty substance. So ants

813
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 2: also will do this when they're eaten and they kind

814
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 2: of like embody this this kind of gross like toxic substance.

815
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 2: And so to force the ants to excrete it, jays

816
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 2: will pick up the ants and they will rub it

817
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 2: like around themselves and then around like the dirt to

818
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 2: force the ant to push this substance out somewhere else,

819
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 2: and then they will eat the ant because it's like

820
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 2: it's like squishing the seed out of a grape, Like

821
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:36,879
Speaker 2: you eat the grape and then you eat the seed,

822
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, that's gross, like you want to spit

823
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 2: it out, But if you get the seed out first,

824
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 2: then it's like, oh hey, it's a pretty pleasant experience.

825
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 2: And so jay's and probably other birds I only know

826
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 2: about the jays.

827
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 1: There are a lot of species that do this, but

828
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 1: jays are well known for doing it.

829
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 2: And then have they figured out maybe you know this

830
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 2: or not, have they figured out is there a purpose

831
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 2: for them to put because they have been witnessed as

832
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 2: like putting rubbing this toxic substance like on their wings,

833
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 2: and so they don't know if maybe that's like an

834
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 2: anti like a flea or maybe anti parasite, kind of

835
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 2: like almost like putting on a bug dope or bug

836
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 2: spray on your body. They're thinking it's maybe similar to that.

837
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 2: But I saw this in my yard two years ago.

838
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 2: My kids and I were outside and we saw two

839
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 2: stellars js and we saw one of them on the

840
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 2: ground by the window, and we're like, oh my gosh,

841
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 2: what do we hit the window? And then we were

842
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 2: watching it and we're like, well, it's not acting stunned,

843
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 2: like what the heck is it doing? And it had

844
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 2: its wings outstretched along the ground, and it was laying

845
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 2: very down close to the ground, and it's another one

846
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 2: was kind of close by, but it wasn't acting like

847
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 2: it was concerned. It just was like kind of like guarding, like, hey,

848
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 2: you know whatever, you know, finished doing your business and

849
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:50,399
Speaker 2: then we'll fly off.

850
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 1: If you've remember been a girl at a bar and

851
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 1: you go to the bathroom with your friend, like right,

852
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 1: that's the.

853
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 2: Same same situation. So the one that was on the

854
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 2: ground was taking its head and it was running it

855
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 2: along its wings, along its outstretched wings, and like going

856
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 2: off one side and then down the other, and we

857
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 2: were like what And then every once in a while

858
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 2: would like rustle its feathers down into the dirt a

859
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 2: little bit and like rustle them up in the air,

860
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 2: and then it would like put them back down and

861
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 2: it would do the same thing. And then eventually it

862
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 2: like flew off like no big deal. And I was like,

863
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 2: what the heck is that? And I went down an

864
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 2: Internet Google rabbit hole, and at the time that I

865
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 2: researched this, I found one article, a single article, that

866
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 2: was like that we think that they might do this

867
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,240
Speaker 2: thing with ants, and it was because somebody else witnessed

868
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 2: this sometime and they were like, we think we've seen

869
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 2: this before. We think this is what's happening. And I'm like,

870
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:39,919
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure that's what we saw. And then fast

871
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 2: forward to this last summer and there was like a

872
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 2: whole article that came up like Hey, this is what

873
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 2: these birds do and they do this like thing and

874
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:50,320
Speaker 2: it's called anting and this is what it's all about.

875
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh my gosh, like I feel like

876
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:57,320
Speaker 2: I was on some groundbreaking, like ground level research this yeah,

877
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,760
Speaker 2: discovery that these birds do this. It was so crazy,

878
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 2: So yeah, tell me more if you know more about it,

879
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:05,760
Speaker 2: like I want to hear all the things.

880
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that the idea, the theory, because of course

881
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 1: we don't know for sure, but the theory that the

882
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: ants release the formic acid, this little acidic substance that

883
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:17,720
Speaker 1: is a form of defense.

884
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 3: And so the.

885
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,399
Speaker 1: Birds get this two fur right by rubbing the ant,

886
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 1: they make it release this formic acid, and then the

887
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: formic acid, by coating their wings potentially helps them kill

888
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 1: mites that exist on the feathers.

889
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 2: Yea, so it was like some kind of parasite that

890
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 2: its mites, Yes, mites.

891
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:44,359
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's sort of as if you could eat soap. Right,

892
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 1: you rub yourself with the soap, you help groom yourself,

893
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 1: and then you're like.

894
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,399
Speaker 3: Great, yeah, now the soap is right.

895
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure they make that. Somebody somewhere probably

896
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 2: is made of edible soap.

897
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 1: I yeah, I don't know if I would want to

898
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 1: eat something that I've just used to scrub the filled.

899
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:06,839
Speaker 2: Top of my b body and mites and like, yes, right,

900
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 2: scrub parasites off me. Yeah.

901
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:13,760
Speaker 1: Closest will get is take a bath and eat cereal,

902
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 1: but not same time at the same time.

903
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 3: But I don't mix the fluids.

904
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 2: So right, yeah, that might be a little strange, but.

905
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:24,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is that's the theory is. And of course,

906
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 1: I mean one of it is interesting to see, especially

907
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: when you these observations start to happen more. You may

908
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 1: have seen something as a kid or even five or

909
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 1: ten years ago, and then suddenly you see, oh, there's

910
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:38,280
Speaker 1: all this research.

911
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 3: Now on it.

912
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,800
Speaker 1: It seems like we should already know everything about everything

913
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,919
Speaker 1: because we've been on this planet for a long time

914
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 1: and we've been around. But it's hard, especially for behaviors

915
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 1: that may not happen all the time, where we may

916
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 1: not be around when they're happening. It can take some

917
00:47:56,000 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 1: time to not only make formal observations, but to catalog them,

918
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 1: to put them in how to them exactly in a

919
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 1: quantifiable way where we can confidently say this happens, it

920
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 1: happens routinely, and this is why it happens. That takes time,

921
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 1: so and you know, of course, even sometimes once we

922
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 1: come up with a theory, we may have evidence that

923
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:21,800
Speaker 1: supports that theory, but we don't know one hundred percent

924
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 1: for sure why they do it.

925
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 3: But yeah, the leading theory is that they're.

926
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 1: Using the formic alcid to help ward off mites and

927
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 1: then they get a tasty snack out of it.

928
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 2: Right, And how many theories have we had over the

929
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 2: years of not just animals but everything. We're like, yeah,

930
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:40,280
Speaker 2: this is one hundred percent true. And then fast forward five, ten, twenty,

931
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 2: you know, more years, and we're like, oh, wait, no,

932
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 2: we have no idea what we were talking about. We

933
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 2: were idiots. I mean, think about dinosaurs, like, think about

934
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 2: I still see all these pictures of dinosaurs that have

935
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 2: no feathers on them, you know, and it's like, no,

936
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 2: we now know that many of these dinosaurs look like chickens,

937
00:48:56,680 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 2: Like they literally like urn around like with feathers in chickens. Yeah,

938
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 2: they were. They were just the cute.

939
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 1: They were probably t w reck that was probably quite

940
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:10,280
Speaker 1: adorably adorable. The babies, I would imagine, really fluffy, really cute,

941
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:15,399
Speaker 1: and extremely deadly, right, bear like bears are adorable. They

942
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 1: look like something you should be able to hug, but

943
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 1: you really shouldn't.

944
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 2: Actually, growing up in Alaska is part of what inspired

945
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 2: me to write the book that I did. Cute Animals

946
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 2: that so you did. Because we get all these tourists

947
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 2: that come up and they're wonderful, like we love our tourists,

948
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 2: but it never fails. There's always the tourist who does

949
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 2: something really stupid like try to pick up pet the

950
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 2: otter and then gets bit or wants to go move

951
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 2: in with the bears and then they literally die.

952
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 1: Yes, that's the idea, especially do especially some of the

953
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 1: bears you got up in Alaska, Like polar bears are

954
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 1: one of the I mean they're the biggest bear and

955
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 1: they're also the one bear that sees us as food.

956
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:01,359
Speaker 1: Potentially they literally will see you as food, right, I mean,

957
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:03,879
Speaker 1: like you have to be careful because there are people

958
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:06,879
Speaker 1: who work up on the North Slope and they will

959
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 1: be stalked and hunted by polar bears. Yeah, and die,

960
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:13,399
Speaker 1: Like it's just maybe not go at the polar bear. Yeah.

961
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: It's one of the rare examples where we say we

962
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 1: talk about sharks, and sharks don't actually.

963
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:21,760
Speaker 2: See us as food.

964
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 1: We can reassure people even things like alligators usually don't

965
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 1: see you as food unless you go into the water

966
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: and flash around.

967
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 2: Roll around ye brown.

968
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, Grizzly bears and black bears typically don't see you

969
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 1: as food. If you really entice them, they might, but.

970
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 2: Now they might see you as a threat something that

971
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 2: is annoying them, in which case they will still have

972
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 2: no problems ripping your face off'ugging me. It's like you

973
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 2: swatting a fly, Like you don't really want to eat

974
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:57,319
Speaker 2: the fly, You just want it to go away, and

975
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 2: so you're just gonna swat it, and you are way

976
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 2: big and stronger than the fly, and so the fly

977
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:03,800
Speaker 2: is probably going to go to fly heaven.

978
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 1: Yes, also depicting on a grizzly bear's mood. If it

979
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 1: does kill you.

980
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 3: It might be like, well, I don't want to be wasteful.

981
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want to be I don't waste You

982
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 1: have that cool soap with the cereal, right, so you

983
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 1: could have an interesting flavor.

984
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 2: I might enjoy that, right. Yeah.

985
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 1: But yeah, polar bears actively stalk people to kill them,

986
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 1: which is I think we've grown a little bit comfortable

987
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 1: as humans where we don't see ourselves as prey anymore

988
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 1: because we've created societies and taxes, so it seems so

989
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 1: remote that we would be prey.

990
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 3: But yeah, polar bears.

991
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: Definitely, if they have the chance, they might go after you.

992
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 2: If you are alone wandering back and forth to your bunker. Yeah,

993
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 2: out on the Arctic, and they see you and they're hungry,

994
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 2: which a lot of polar bears are these days. They

995
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 2: might be like, well, you know what opportunity strikes, I'm

996
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 2: going to take it.

997
00:51:57,080 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 1: Also, people I think who don't live in the northerly

998
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:05,839
Speaker 1: regions don't realize how enormous moose are.

999
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:07,479
Speaker 3: And yeah they can.

1000
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 2: If they want, deadly they and they are also not

1001
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 2: like incredibly intelligent. I hope that there's no moose listening it.

1002
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 2: Don't mean to offend, but they are really dumb. And

1003
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:21,840
Speaker 2: so the thing with moose is that a couple of

1004
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,840
Speaker 2: things will happen, like a there's a lot of cases

1005
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 2: out there of people feeding moose and the moose is like,

1006
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 2: oh hey, thanks for the snacks, and then you literally

1007
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 2: turn away from the moose and the moose like forgot

1008
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 2: that you have the same thing that was feeding it

1009
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 2: five seconds ago, and is like, oh no, I'm being

1010
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 2: attacked and we'll rewrap and pick you in the head

1011
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 2: and then you die like or have a concussion or

1012
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 2: like our brain dead, like like no, no good things

1013
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 2: happen from being kicked by a moose, right, no, and

1014
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,319
Speaker 2: so and then The other thing that happens is that

1015
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 2: they see themselves as the biggest creature out there, which

1016
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 2: in most cases they are, except for now. We have

1017
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 2: things called cars that have only you know, been in

1018
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:06,839
Speaker 2: existence for the last hundred years, and especially up here

1019
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:09,879
Speaker 2: in Alaska really in the last fifty years. And so

1020
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:14,319
Speaker 2: when most see a car, they just walk out in

1021
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 2: front of it like it's just like, it's no, there's

1022
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 2: no concept of that the car is going to mow

1023
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 2: me down. It's that I am the big animal. So

1024
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:26,479
Speaker 2: if something's coming at me, like come at me, bro, Yeah,

1025
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 2: let's dance.

1026
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 1: They will play chicken and the when you're playing a

1027
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:35,399
Speaker 1: game of chicken with the moose, I mean, you're both

1028
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 1: gonna lose.

1029
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:38,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, nobody wins that.

1030
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:42,360
Speaker 1: Nobody's gonna win that because the moose isn't gonna farewell

1031
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 1: with that, and you're certainly not. Because I mean, I

1032
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:49,320
Speaker 1: would I don't know the statistics of this, but I

1033
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 1: would imagine there are plenty of fatal accidents for both

1034
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:55,840
Speaker 1: the moose and the person drive one hundred percent because

1035
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 1: the moose is so big. It's not like hitting a

1036
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 1: rabbit or I mean, people do die, people do die

1037
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 1: hitting deer, but it's maybe more rare because the deer

1038
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 1: unfortunately it doesn't compete as well with the.

1039
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 3: Car, but a moose can compete even.

1040
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 1: With say like a truck, And so sad energy's got

1041
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:19,319
Speaker 1: to go somewhere, and it's going to be in the

1042
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 1: moose and in you, right.

1043
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:23,399
Speaker 2: And the other thing that people don't consider too when

1044
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:25,240
Speaker 2: they're up here and let's say they rent a car

1045
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 2: or they've just moved up here and they're like, I

1046
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 2: need a vehicle. I'm gonna get a sedan that's low

1047
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 2: to the ground, is that moose are big, and they're tall,

1048
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:34,879
Speaker 2: and they have these long, gangly legs, and so when

1049
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 2: you hit a moose, the brunt of their weight is

1050
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:41,399
Speaker 2: in their body and their body can come up then

1051
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:44,439
Speaker 2: because of the force of the impact and the fact

1052
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:47,399
Speaker 2: that you're hitting them down against their legs, and they

1053
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 2: come up and they land on top of the windshield

1054
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 2: in front of the car area, and so they are crushing.

1055
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 2: That's what happens with a lot of these driver fatalities

1056
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:59,400
Speaker 2: when they hit moose, is that the moose come up

1057
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 2: onto this like they literally their body like flies into

1058
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 2: the sedan and you have all those one hundred pounds

1059
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 2: of weight and they are literally collapsing right down onto

1060
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:11,840
Speaker 2: the front of the car and crushing you know, the windshield,

1061
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 2: the top of the car into the driver. Yeah, no,

1062
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 2: it's not. I had a friend of mine who hit

1063
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 2: a moose many years ago, and she was in a

1064
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 2: super outback I think, is what it was. So not

1065
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:28,840
Speaker 2: like a tiny car, but not like a super huge suv.

1066
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 2: And that's exactly what happened. The moose, you know, came

1067
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 2: up onto the windshield, onto the you know, top of

1068
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 2: the car, crushed it down into her and she ended

1069
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 2: up being in the hospital with multiple stitches, concussion, multiple

1070
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 2: head lacerations that had to be restitched up, and then

1071
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 2: you know, constant like pulling out fragments of flass, even

1072
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 2: over the last over the next several weeks. Yeah, to

1073
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:53,360
Speaker 2: go in there and pull them back out again. So

1074
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 2: it's not a joke. Like moose are just you know,

1075
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't say that they're like they are kind of adorable,

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Speaker 2: depending on like how you look at the movement.

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Speaker 3: I think they're cute.

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00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 2: It can be cute.

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Speaker 1: I'm very happy to appreciate them and admire them from

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00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 1: a distance, from a good distance because as cute as

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00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:17,319
Speaker 1: they are, as snugly as their big floppy faces. Look,

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00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 1: I'm not like do it I personally I'm even when

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00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 1: around horses, I respect the horse a lot because even

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00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:33,280
Speaker 1: though horses are ridiculously chill with people, they are usually

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00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 1: yeah it's they also have very powerful kicking power and

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00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:42,319
Speaker 1: teeth they can bite as well, So I like to

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00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 1: be very respectful of large animals. I don't just feel

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00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 1: cool around a large animal because I assume, hey, this

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00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 1: is an Arab of war, it should be fine. Urban

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00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 1: wars can seriously mess you up because they've got to

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00:56:57,000 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 1: have some defenses against predators. So don't assume it's, oh,

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00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:03,360
Speaker 1: this doesn't meet me, it won't mess with me. It

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00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 1: definitely will. And it's if anything, erbal wares can be

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00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:12,840
Speaker 1: way more dangerous than predators because if they think that

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00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 1: you're gonna kill them, they've got nothing to lose, so

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Speaker 1: they're gonna really mess you up. Where As a predator,

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Speaker 1: if you make it not worth their while, they'll think, Okay,

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Speaker 1: i'll check, I'll find a more edible, right animal.

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Speaker 2: Right right, kind of more worthy meal exactly, or an

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Speaker 2: easy meal that I can just go after.

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00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Well on that note, I like to play

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Speaker 1: a little game called Guess Who's squawking the Mystery Animal

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00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 1: sound game. Every week I play mystery animal sound and

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Speaker 1: you the listener, and you the guest, try to guess

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00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 1: who is making that sound. The hint for last week's

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00:57:51,600 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 1: sound was don't try to cut into this guy for breakfast.

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00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 1: And the other hint is that this is found in

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Speaker 1: New Zealand. So you got any guesses?

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00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 2: Ooh, do I have any guesses? New Zealand?

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00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 1: Do not cut into this guy for breakfast? Hmmm.

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00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of like, what is what is

1112
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 2: the pun? There's the pun in there. I'm like trying

1113
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 2: to figure it out. I like funds, so I'm thinking

1114
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 2: like breakfast, eggs, ham, bacon. Am I even on the

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00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 2: right track?

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00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 1: Not really almost think of a balanced breakfast with your

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00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 1: fruits and see me.

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Speaker 3: Yes there we go.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, New Zealand.

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Speaker 1: I was like, okay, okay, congratulations to Emily M, Nicole L,

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Speaker 1: Miriam R. Trish H. M.

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00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 3: Root K and Marianne D.

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Speaker 2: My brain was on bird of course, and so then

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00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 2: that just wasn't helping me with the Kiwi like at all,

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00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 2: even though it is a bird. It's like it's a

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00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:21,479
Speaker 2: it's a ground loving bird, a little tiny Actually saw

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00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 2: a picture of Kiwi wings the other day. Somebody a

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00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:28,560
Speaker 2: little video and somebody was like pulling up the little

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00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 2: kiwi wings to show you what a kiwi's wing looks like.

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Speaker 2: And they're there, like they're just like these tiny little nublins,

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00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 2: like little furry, like little feathery neblins.

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00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're actually they're actually related to other other ratites,

1133
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 1: so ostriches EMUs, these other non flying.

1134
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 2: Birds, lightless birds. Yeah, interesting and so.

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00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:56,080
Speaker 1: But unlike them, they're very cute, very small and kind

1136
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 1: of they're actually surprisingly big. They're not the size of

1137
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 1: like a kiwi fruit there, they're a handful, right, yeah,

1138
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 1: I like the size of a I don't know, decently sized,

1139
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 1: say bunny rabbit.

1140
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 2: And they My husband was out hiking one day down

1141
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 2: there and actually got one on video, and of course

1142
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 2: my kids and I were all jealous for like, seriously,

1143
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 2: you get to go hiking. He's a pilot for his job,

1144
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 2: so he flies to all these you know, locations, and

1145
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 2: he's like, what should I do today? I guess I'll

1146
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:23,920
Speaker 2: go hiking on this game trail and oh, you know,

1147
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 2: just get a random video of the KeyWe just send

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01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 2: back home.

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01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, not fair. They are really cute. They

1150
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:36,320
Speaker 1: are another one of those animals that look adorable. I

1151
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 1: would love to pet them, but there's absolutely no way

1152
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 1: this thing wants to be pet by me.

1153
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:43,200
Speaker 2: No, it does not. It doesn't want to be messed with.

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01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 2: It's like, leave me alone. I'm going to be over

1155
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 2: here and you just stay over there. Okay, personal space,

1156
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 2: personal space.

1157
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:51,920
Speaker 1: They have to give birth to, well, not birth, but

1158
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:53,920
Speaker 1: they have to lay an egg.

1159
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:55,880
Speaker 2: That is a huge egg.

1160
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 1: Yeh their total body weight. Yeah, an animal that can

1161
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 1: handle that is not going to have patience for your shenanigans.

1162
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:06,720
Speaker 2: I think it's the size of a goose egg if

1163
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:07,680
Speaker 2: I remember correctly.

1164
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:09,360
Speaker 3: I think it might even be larger than that.

1165
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 1: It's it is. It is a ridiculous proportion of their

1166
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 1: total the size.

1167
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 2: Of its body.

1168
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, it's almost It's like it's on the same

1169
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 1: line of ridiculousness as human birth, Like we're we are

1170
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 1: ridiculous animals. The fact that we give birth to a

1171
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:25,720
Speaker 1: baby with such a huge head and is.

1172
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 3: Just sort of risible.

1173
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:32,919
Speaker 1: That compared to a lot of animals that will give

1174
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:37,160
Speaker 1: birth the little blind pink things because it's easier to give.

1175
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:39,440
Speaker 2: Birth to, right, and they can give birth to like

1176
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 2: seventeen of them at once. Yeah.

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01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:44,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're kind of like the key we where we

1178
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:48,320
Speaker 1: give birth to like one very big baby massive, yeah,

1179
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:51,360
Speaker 1: one massive baby, and then invest a lot of resources

1180
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:52,800
Speaker 1: into it and.

1181
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 3: It does it doesn't.

1182
01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 1: There is a benefit to having a large egg harder

1183
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 1: to eat. You know what's a snake's not going to

1184
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:01,680
Speaker 1: have an easy time get not down it scollets. So

1185
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:05,520
Speaker 1: there's benefits to it and there's negatives to it, which

1186
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 1: is you have to.

1187
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 2: Get car around seriously.

1188
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:14,560
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, moms, poor Kiwi moms. All right, onto this

1189
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Speaker 1: week's mister Animal's sound. The hint is this, this bird

1190
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 1: has one of the loudest calls in the world. So

1191
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:24,480
Speaker 1: I'm giving you a lot of information here. Ah, this

1192
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 1: is a bird with one of the loudest calls in

1193
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:34,960
Speaker 1: the world. All right, you got any guesses?

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01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:40,320
Speaker 2: Uh? It sounds like a really annoying alarm, a se

1195
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:41,280
Speaker 2: journey system.

1196
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:45,560
Speaker 1: I think that I should probably replace my alarm clock

1197
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 1: with this sound and I will up.

1198
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:49,720
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, what is that?

1199
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:52,280
Speaker 1: Because I'm someone who sleeps through alarms, So I set

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01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:55,000
Speaker 1: like twenty of them because it's like alarm number one,

1201
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:58,800
Speaker 1: alarm number two, alarm number three. Seriously, get up now, alarm,

1202
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:03,680
Speaker 1: but this would probably wake me up. It is as

1203
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:08,800
Speaker 1: loud as a pneumatic drill, so it is an extremely

1204
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:11,920
Speaker 1: loud creature. If you think you know the answer, you

1205
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:16,120
Speaker 1: can write to me at Creature featurepod at gmail dot com.

1206
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 1: Fork tell people where they can find your book.

1207
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:22,480
Speaker 2: You know, you can find cute animals that can kill

1208
01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:26,400
Speaker 2: you dead just about anywhere. Barnes and Noble, Amazon, Target,

1209
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:28,960
Speaker 2: Walmart online if they don't have it in the store.

1210
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:32,560
Speaker 2: But I like to support local businesses. So if you

1211
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:37,439
Speaker 2: have a favorite local bookstore, go to your bookstore and say, hey,

1212
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 2: if you don't have this book, could you please order

1213
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:41,600
Speaker 2: it for me right now? Then you're getting your book,

1214
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:44,480
Speaker 2: and you know, maybe they'll let you order it online

1215
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:48,160
Speaker 2: if they have that feature with your local bookstore. You

1216
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:50,560
Speaker 2: can also go to your local library and if they

1217
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 2: don't have a book that you want to get you

1218
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:55,320
Speaker 2: I don't know if you know this or not, but

1219
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:57,280
Speaker 2: you can actually go to your library and you can

1220
01:03:57,360 --> 01:04:01,560
Speaker 2: request them to order books. And I believe that it

1221
01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 2: depends on the library, but you can request up to

1222
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:08,400
Speaker 2: maybe five or ten books a year per person. So

1223
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:12,000
Speaker 2: if you have kids and you know, like the library

1224
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:14,040
Speaker 2: doesn't have a book that they want, they can even

1225
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:15,880
Speaker 2: request books that they want as well, and you can

1226
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 2: all request all the books. So sometimes they also have

1227
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:21,520
Speaker 2: a feature where if you request the book, then I

1228
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:25,160
Speaker 2: believe you are the first one to get it. Amazing

1229
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 2: to have the opportunity to check that book out, so

1230
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:28,920
Speaker 2: it's not like they're like, oh, yeah, we got it

1231
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:30,160
Speaker 2: and then we just put it in there and somebody

1232
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 2: else checked it out, so yeah, you Yes, libraries are

1233
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:38,600
Speaker 2: the best. So support your local library, support your local bookstore.

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01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:40,320
Speaker 2: Find all the.

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Speaker 1: Books there amazing, and you're you're coming out with a

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01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:48,000
Speaker 1: couple more of them. So that's fantastic. And thank you

1237
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:51,360
Speaker 1: guys so much for listening to the show. If you're

1238
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:55,640
Speaker 1: enjoying it. Writing and reviewing always helps me. Always appreciate it.

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01:04:56,120 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 1: Read all of them, and thanks to the Space Classics

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01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 1: for their super also song XO. Lumina Creature features a

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01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:06,280
Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts like the one you

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Speaker 1: just heard, visit the iHeartRadio app Apple podcast or Hey

1243
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:12,160
Speaker 1: guess what where have you listened to your favorite shows.

1244
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:12,720
Speaker 3: Not your mother.

1245
01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:15,000
Speaker 1: I can't tell you what to do, but I can

1246
01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:19,200
Speaker 1: tell you. If you find something brightly colored and alive

1247
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:22,800
Speaker 1: in nature, don't put it in your mouth. Leave it alone.

1248
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:25,680
Speaker 1: Not gonna taste like candy. I can tell you that much.

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Speaker 1: See you next Wednesday.