1 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:12,120 Speaker 1: Hey there are folks. 2 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 2: It is Sunday, February twenty second, and what a show 3 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 2: she just put on at the Olympics. She's twenty two 4 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:23,319 Speaker 2: years oh born and raised in San Francisco. She's a 5 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 2: Stanford student. And now this American born darling has now 6 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:34,840 Speaker 2: won six Olympic medals for China. And with that, welcome 7 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 2: to this episode of Amy and TJ. She I was 8 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 2: proud of her. I was rooting for Eileen Goo. And folks, 9 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 2: no matter who you've been seeing, from Lindsey Vaughn to 10 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 2: Ilia Mallinin and whatever else, the most talked about athlete 11 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:48,919 Speaker 2: has been Aileen Goo at these Olympics. 12 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 3: Uh yeah, she just won gold in the free ski halfpipe. 13 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 3: I missed it this morning because I was sleeping, but 14 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 3: you saw it all happen in real time. 15 00:00:58,840 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: It was delayed. 16 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 2: It was supposed to happened yesterday day before. They asked 17 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 2: some whether so happened today? And she has now picked 18 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 2: up this other goal. 19 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: But roades. 20 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 2: This is the reason this young lady she is. She 21 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 2: is as American as it gets as far as her 22 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:14,320 Speaker 2: story goes. But she has been competing for several years 23 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 2: now for China and to see this young lady pick 24 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:19,759 Speaker 2: up a gold medal today, her third of these games, 25 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:22,919 Speaker 2: third medal of these games, and immediately wrap a Chinese 26 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 2: flag around her and go to the Chinese fans that 27 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 2: were rooting for her. It makes your stopping, at least 28 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 2: ask a couple questions. It does. 29 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 4: Look her mother is Chinese born, her grandmother, those were 30 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 4: the two biggest influences in her life. They raised her. 31 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 3: Her father is American, but he's not in her life 32 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 3: according to her and others. So yes, she is American, 33 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 3: but clearly she identifies with the Chinese heritage and culture 34 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 3: in terms of her upbringing. 35 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 4: But yes, China is. 36 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 3: China, and we are the United States, and we are 37 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 3: not necessarily allies, so to speak. 38 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 4: So it does pull at your your heart a little bit. 39 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 4: Who do you root for? 40 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 3: Is it okay to root for an American who's competing 41 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 3: under the Chinese flag. 42 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 4: Of course, people are conflicted. 43 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 2: And that's okay to ask questions. I think the questions 44 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 2: are fair. The criticism is not. Because if you don't 45 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 2: know this young lady and her background and her story, 46 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 2: and her motives and her desire and all this, I 47 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 2: think your opinion would be different. If you just see, well, 48 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 2: what you don't love America if you're competing for China. 49 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 2: She also makes the point and if you all don't 50 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 2: know Aileen Gou at this point twenty two years old, 51 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 2: but she has been a star. She is the most 52 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 2: decorated woman in her field. She does the free ski, 53 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:39,119 Speaker 2: she does the halfpipe, she does the aerials, and what's 54 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 2: the third one? 55 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: She does? Ropes? The one she slopes style. 56 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 2: And again those aren't things weren't necessarily familiar with in 57 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 2: this country because we don't watch one of the X Games, 58 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 2: but robes. 59 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:50,640 Speaker 1: She is a representative of. 60 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 2: A sport in which she is a superstar everywhere other 61 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 2: than America. 62 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 3: Almost Yeah, she's like, as you point out, she's a 63 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 3: six time medallist, three goals, three silvers in two Olympics. 64 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 3: She's been duped the snow princess. And you're right, I 65 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 3: didn't know her name. Now, look, the twenty twenty two 66 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 3: Winter Games were in Beijing, and you can understand why 67 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 3: at that point. That is when she made the decision 68 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 3: correct leading into those games. 69 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 4: I think in twenty nineteen that was for you. 70 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 2: I mean, she was eighteen going into those games, but 71 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 2: she made this decision at fifteen sixteen to change because 72 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 2: she used to be Yes spokes Aileen U used to 73 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 2: be with USA Skiing and Snowboarding. She made the switch 74 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 2: and wants to start representing China. Her motive, she said, 75 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 2: was to why do I need to be in America 76 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 2: where people already have access to resources, They have access 77 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 2: to X Games, they have access to facilities and whatnot. 78 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 2: She said, no, no, no, I can have more of an 79 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 2: impact if I go take my heritage and take this 80 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 2: face and this look, attached it to some skis and 81 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 2: go be a representative of China. That was always She 82 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 2: has stuck to that as her motivation. 83 00:03:57,840 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 1: Ropes Yes. 84 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 3: This was actually her instant a post in twenty nineteen 85 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 3: when she made the switch from Team USA to Team China. 86 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 3: She said, the opportunity to help inspire millions of young 87 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 3: people where my mom was born during the twenty twenty 88 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 3: two Beijing Olympic Winter Games is a once in a 89 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 3: lifetime opportunity to help promote the sport. 90 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:18,280 Speaker 4: I love through skiing. 91 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 3: I hope to unite people, promote common understanding, create communication, 92 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 3: and forge friendships between nations. If I can help to 93 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,040 Speaker 3: inspire one young girl to break a boundary. 94 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 4: My wishes will have come true. 95 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 3: And she said this before she was the medalist, that 96 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 3: she is the Olympian that she has become. 97 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 2: Look, I don't know who was in her head and 98 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 2: who was advising her as a teenager, but it was 99 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 2: good advice, some would argue financially, we will get into 100 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 2: why some are questioning just her the sincerity of her motives. 101 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 2: I'm not knock yourself out, do you think, but she 102 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 2: has been, no doubt controversial in these games. She's being 103 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 2: controversial for a reason that quite frankly doesn't even come 104 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 2: up during the Olympic for so many other athletes. This 105 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 2: is just commonplace ropes. A lot of athletes who were 106 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:13,160 Speaker 2: born here, born there, compete for another country, compete from 107 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 2: the country of their parents' birth, their heritage, whatever else. 108 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 2: Sometimes times they can't make the cut for the US 109 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 2: team and they go to another team. 110 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 1: That's cool. 111 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 2: Part of the problem, heroes, is that she is that good, 112 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 2: exactly the best in the world, and she is American 113 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:29,720 Speaker 2: born and raised and bred, and you're gonna take your 114 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,720 Speaker 2: skills and go represent another country. 115 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:35,159 Speaker 3: That annoy some people, and not just another country, but 116 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 3: what many people would perceive as one of our enemies, 117 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 3: one of our non allies, at least to put it mildly. 118 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:44,359 Speaker 2: So, yeah, it's our biggest adversary. Two most populoust countries 119 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 2: in the world and the two biggest economies in the world. 120 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, she's choosing them. 121 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 4: Feels like Rejectionally, it feels like rejection. 122 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:57,479 Speaker 3: And then her adversaries are the people who are pointing 123 00:05:57,480 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 3: fingers at her and feel. 124 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 4: Some sense of anger and betrayal. 125 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 3: I really think it feels like a sense of betrayal, 126 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 3: like you've betrayed your country to go then bring home 127 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:09,919 Speaker 3: medals for our adversary. But on top of that, she 128 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 3: is the highest paid athlete at the Olympics. And some 129 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 3: would say because of her allegiance to China. 130 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 2: We say allegiance like it's a bad thing, right, we 131 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 2: talk about some secret agent that's allegiance. Right, her mom, 132 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:25,280 Speaker 2: this is where I'm this is her homeland. I mean, 133 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 2: this is where she has a family connection. So I'm 134 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 2: not mad at her for that. Now, if you want 135 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 2: to make the argument that the answer she's giving robes 136 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 2: about I'm doing this strictly because of my heritage for 137 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 2: my family and my mother and I want to spread 138 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 2: the sport. If you don't want to take her at 139 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:47,720 Speaker 2: her word, then I think it's also fair to say, Okay, 140 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 2: she's getting a lot of money from that market. 141 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 3: Yes, I didn't realize this. According to Fortune magazine. You 142 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 3: found this out too, she is the fourth highest paid 143 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 3: woman in sports period, in all of sports, making more 144 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:04,359 Speaker 3: than twenty million dollars a year. And so yes, people 145 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 3: pointed at and say we yeah, Okay, your heritage, honoring 146 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 3: your mother and your grandmother. Okay, you're making a lot 147 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 3: of money, but so. 148 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 2: Much of that money the argument is coming directly from 149 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 2: the Chinese government. There was a federation there reported by 150 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 2: the World Street Wall Street Journal, that has given Aileenu 151 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 2: and another athlete who is competing for China some fourteen 152 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 2: million dollars over the past three years to compete. That 153 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 2: is directly being reported by the Wall Street Journal and 154 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 2: not necessarily being refuted by anyone necessarily Robes, Robes, I am. 155 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 2: I have a very difficult time of criticizing a woman 156 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 2: who is taking advantage of what is the most American 157 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 2: of ideals capitalism. Go get paid, and so what gets 158 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 2: you paid better? A different flag? Knock yourself out if 159 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 2: you can do that again. You want to argue about 160 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 2: human rights abuses, you want to argue about you not speak? 161 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 2: How could you represent such a country? Okay, represent the 162 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 2: United States. Maybe she's taken issue with something here as well. 163 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 2: It's okay, folks, that's her mom. I have zero I 164 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 2: have a question, but I don't have any criticism for 165 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 2: this young lady taking advantage of a market for money 166 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 2: if she wants to. But also, so yeah, she might 167 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 2: feel a direct pull and a connection to that place. 168 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 2: Is her mom in her ear talking? We just don't know, 169 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 2: and so question sure criticism, Eh yeah. 170 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 4: And do you I completely agree with you. 171 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 3: And she genuinely, genuinely has a connection to China, genetically 172 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 3: and genuinely, and that makes a lot of sense. And 173 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 3: we don't know the relationship. It sounds like there is none. 174 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 3: Maybe there's even some bitterness. 175 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 4: In her relationship to her American white father. So maybe 176 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:58,119 Speaker 4: that makes her feel even. 177 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 3: More proud to be an ash female living in the 178 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 3: United States and not wanting necessarily as much to connect 179 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:05,679 Speaker 3: to him. 180 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 4: Maybe that plays an emotional part of it too. 181 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 3: We just don't know what's inside her head or inside 182 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 3: her heart, But certainly I love what you just said. 183 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 3: As an American, is there anything more American than having 184 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 3: the freedom to choose how you make your money, how 185 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 3: you choose to represent yourself, and who you choose. 186 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 4: To align yourself with. 187 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 3: We have freedoms in this country to make choices that 188 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 3: can benefit us for whatever reason, even if it's emotionally 189 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 3: or financially, whatever it is. It's well within her right 190 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 3: as an American to choose who she decides to compete for. 191 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 2: I think it's cool that Eileen put Eileen first in 192 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 2: whatever this decision was. I do not mind that, and 193 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 2: people have My first reference in this moment was about 194 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 2: Lebron James. People are he has changed the NBA is 195 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 2: such a way to players have more power to say. 196 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 1: Where they're going to go. Right. 197 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 2: They used to just be moved around like chess pieces, 198 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 2: but he is. He became so powerful and other athletes 199 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 2: followed his lead because he wasn't thinking about allegiance to 200 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 2: the Heat, to the Cavaliers, to the Lakers. I'm gonna 201 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 2: go where it works out best for me. And she's 202 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 2: doing that kind of with her countries. And some people 203 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 2: say that's not how you should toy around and play, 204 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 2: but Robes. 205 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 1: This is the thing. 206 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 2: Her experience in the United States of America is different 207 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 2: from somebody else's who might born, raised, all their family 208 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:27,199 Speaker 2: history is here. I am a Black American. I view 209 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 2: the United States of America differently from someone whose ancestry 210 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 2: was different than mine and heard different stories. 211 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 1: I had a different experience. That's okay, it's all American. 212 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 4: That makes you make such a good point. 213 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: It's all American. 214 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:42,719 Speaker 3: You can't apply your mentality and your experience and your 215 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 3: genealogy to hers. Everyone has a unique story, and yes, 216 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 3: that is what makes America the melting pot that it is. 217 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 3: But you can't directly apply what you would do based 218 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 3: on your experience and your family history and put it 219 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 3: on her and say she should do and react and 220 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 3: make decisions exactly. 221 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 4: Like I would. That's not why we're the United States 222 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 4: of America. 223 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 2: But we're sitting here talking about what plenty of people 224 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 2: do think it should be one thing that yet you 225 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 2: can you cannot criticize your own country and still be 226 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 2: called a patriot. And that's just okay, fine, We're not 227 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 2: going down that rope. But Eileen gou she has been Robes. 228 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 2: She has been on the cover of magazines, fashion magazines. 229 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 2: She has walked not just red carpet, she has walked runways. 230 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:27,680 Speaker 4: She's the gorgeous girl. 231 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 2: She is as intelligentic and photogeniccause you're going to get 232 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 2: She has a golden smile. She knows how to answer 233 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 2: every question perfectly with charm and intelligence and a sly 234 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 2: little smile and sarcasm sometimes is needed. She is the 235 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:46,199 Speaker 2: perfect poster person for anything you want to sell, whatever. 236 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 4: And you know what she is learning and has learned. 237 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 3: I mean, she's been facing criticism for her choices, or 238 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 3: for her this one specific choice since twenty nineteen, seven years. 239 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 4: She's heard it. 240 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 3: I don't think there's anything that anyone's hurling toward wards 241 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 3: her that she hasn't already dealt with and hasn't already Basically, 242 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 3: she's just said who she is, what she's doing, and 243 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 3: she's made no apologies for it. 244 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 1: She hasn't it. 245 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:13,199 Speaker 2: She continues not to apologize, even when the Vice President 246 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,840 Speaker 2: of the United States has some criticism to hurl her way. 247 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 1: Stay here for this. 248 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 2: Right we continue here on Amy and TJ final day 249 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 2: of the Olympics clothing ceremony coming up here in just 250 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 2: a little bit. But we watched Eileen Goo, the American Girl, 251 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:40,439 Speaker 2: win another medal for China. We say American girl because 252 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 2: Robes her, her story, her even her demeanor, her attitude, 253 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 2: her all of who she this powerful, strong, smart, athletic, 254 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 2: brilliant woman. She's as all American as they get. 255 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 1: But is she American? 256 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 4: Well, she's competing for China. 257 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:03,959 Speaker 2: Technically, she's raised the United States. She was obviously birthright citizenship, she. 258 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 4: Was born here, right, but the medals go into China's count. 259 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 2: Here is the question, Robes, and that's the ones she 260 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:12,439 Speaker 2: won't answer. Are you still an American citizen? 261 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 3: We don't know, we don't know, We don't know the 262 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 3: answer to that. And you pointed this out. I didn't realize. 263 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 3: I've never had to do a deep dive on what 264 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 3: it is to be a Chinese citizen or what it 265 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 3: is to compete for the country of China. Apparently they 266 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 3: don't allow dual citizenship. You did the research. 267 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 2: No, I'm just saying, this is what raises the big question, 268 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:33,680 Speaker 2: this is what's been out there, And she won't answer, 269 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:37,079 Speaker 2: how are you able to compete for China? Because you 270 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 2: should only be able to compete for China if you 271 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 2: are a Chinese citizen, and if you are, that means 272 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 2: you're not a US citizen. 273 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: So what was up? 274 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 3: Now? 275 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:48,559 Speaker 1: That's what I mean by a question? Is fine? Criticism 276 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:49,959 Speaker 1: not so much. And if she. 277 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 2: Looks me in the face and said, TJ is none 278 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 2: of your damn business what my citizenship is? 279 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 4: Cool? 280 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 2: Well I don't have a follow up. It's okay for 281 00:13:58,679 --> 00:13:59,839 Speaker 2: her to keep that quiet. 282 00:13:59,840 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 3: Now. 283 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 2: Now she has to understand the heat that comes with it, 284 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 2: and she's getting some. But what does she owe anybody 285 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:07,319 Speaker 2: at this point? 286 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 4: Nothing? 287 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 3: Actually, And look in terms of pr maybe I don't 288 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 3: know how it's playing out, but certainly I just read 289 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:15,559 Speaker 3: an article this morning. 290 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 4: I was telling you it. 291 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 3: Was like the Tale of two Asians and they were 292 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 3: comparing a Lissa Lou to Eileen Goo, two gold medallists, 293 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 3: two darlings from America. And you have a Lissa Lou 294 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 3: whose father is from China, Tianeman Square escaped the Chinese government, 295 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 3: came to the United States, a classic American immigrant story, 296 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 3: and Alissa Lou comes up under that umbrella of yes, 297 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 3: being an American but surviving Chinese communism, and she's competing 298 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 3: for America, wins the gold and then you have Eileen Gou, 299 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 3: who is now competing for tries. 300 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 4: So they're saying good Asian, bad Asian. All of these 301 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 4: hashtags are trending. 302 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 3: Believe me that those are all attributed to what's happening 303 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 3: on social media, and so yes, I Goo might just 304 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 3: write it out and say this too shall pass. 305 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 4: She who knows what she feels like, she needs to 306 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 4: add to the conversation, if anything at all. 307 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 2: She's literally in figuratively winning, Like what do what do 308 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 2: you have to say? 309 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 3: Uh? 310 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 2: She has six Olympic medals to her name, three of 311 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 2: them are gold. She has twenty three billion dollars in 312 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 2: the bank just from last year, and she's really something 313 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 2: she's doing is working, keep going, Eileen. 314 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 4: Well what I was going to? 315 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 3: Come on, Eileen, I was laughing because she's actually only 316 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 3: dealing with this criticism because she's so successful. Yeah, nobody 317 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 3: if she wasn't winning gold medals, nobody would care. We 318 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 3: care because we want her as hours. We want to 319 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 3: claim her as hours. We're pissed off that China gets 320 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 3: that medal Chi Ching instead of us because we want 321 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 3: to claim her. So, yes, she's only in the middle 322 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 3: of it, in the thick of it, because she's so 323 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 3: damn good. 324 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 1: What is this? 325 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 2: What is this absolute? This idea that you're with us 326 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 2: or against us? There is nothing in the middle. You're 327 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 2: this or that, and that you're you're all American or 328 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 2: you are anti American. 329 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 1: It's not. It's just not the case. 330 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 2: I assure you plenty of folks. Can you not take 331 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 2: one issue with your country and not be a patriot. 332 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 2: I'm just this is this young lady, Okay, she is not. 333 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: She's not. 334 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 2: It feels that way if you don't research. It feels 335 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 2: like she's Chuning choosing Chinese culture, heritage, ideas, politics, all 336 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 2: of this over what we think is the gold standard 337 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 2: of all those things, which is our idea of what 338 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 2: American life should be. So I guess that feels like 339 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 2: a rejection. I just I wish we could be more diverse. 340 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 2: It's crazy as it sounds, this melting pot. We don't 341 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 2: seem very diverse in thought when it comes to what 342 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 2: America and being an American is. 343 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 3: Well, and having jd vance way in the way he 344 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 3: did certainly doesn't help. In that conversation on Fox Right Fox, Yeah, 345 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 3: he could have gone harder than he did. Look, I mean, 346 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 3: he's somebody who obviously towse the administration line, but does 347 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:04,440 Speaker 3: it a. 348 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:07,919 Speaker 4: Little bit more delicately than others. I would say the 349 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 4: way he words things. 350 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 3: But this is what jd Vance had to say about 351 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 3: Eileen Goo on Box News. He said, I certainly think 352 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:16,400 Speaker 3: that somebody who grew up in the United States of America, 353 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 3: who benefited from our education system, from the freedoms and 354 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 3: liberties that make this country a great place, I would 355 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 3: hope that they would want to compete with the United 356 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 3: States of America. So I'm going to root for American athletes, 357 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 3: and I think part of that is people who identify 358 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 3: themselves as Americans. That's who I'm rooting for this Olympics. Look, 359 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 3: that wasn't he could have gone much harder and much 360 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 3: much harsher as some people have certainly online. But I 361 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:43,360 Speaker 3: do think that's so funny now in this world where 362 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 3: we're living in where we all identify as things. Now 363 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 3: we identify as Americans or not, regardless of whether or 364 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 3: not we were born here or our citizens, we can 365 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 3: either identify. Just that term made me laugh that a 366 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:57,400 Speaker 3: Republican was using it, just because it's something that typically 367 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 3: is used in other avenues or areas. 368 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 4: But look, Jade. 369 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 3: Vance weighed in. President Trump wighed in on Hess like 370 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 3: we've had you know, we'll wait and see. I think, look, 371 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:13,640 Speaker 3: our men, the US hockey team just won an incredible 372 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 3: victory over Canada. Maybe that'll take all the heat off 373 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 3: of Eileen Gou or any anyone else who said something 374 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 3: that seemed anti American at the Olympics. Maybe this big 375 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 3: victory we had today will just overshadow any negativity that 376 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:29,879 Speaker 3: we've seen happen the last couple of days. 377 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 2: This isn't going anywhere because Eileen Goo isn't going anywhere. 378 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:36,920 Speaker 2: She's twenty two. You're going to be here a lot 379 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 2: about her the next time you hear about her. Might 380 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 2: have nothing to do with sports. It might have to 381 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 2: do with a fashion line. It might have to do 382 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 2: with She is wildly popular in China, as you might imagine, 383 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 2: she is a superstar over there and robes the look. 384 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:55,680 Speaker 2: You I know, folks, you've been watching her great sweet, 385 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 2: cute smile, but she's got all this stuff on her. 386 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: Look at her ads. 387 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:04,919 Speaker 2: She's wearing far less and she looks like an absolute supermodel. 388 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:06,200 Speaker 1: She does. 389 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:08,160 Speaker 4: That's why she's making well. 390 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 3: She is the highest paid Olympic athlete at the Games, 391 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 3: and you'll understand why. 392 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 4: In performance and in fashion and in function. 393 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:18,360 Speaker 3: Basically we could say both, but certainly, as you point out, 394 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:23,679 Speaker 3: just twenty two, she has a long, potential, wonderful career 395 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 3: ahead of her and we will be rooting her on. 396 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 3: Thank you, though, for listening to us. As always, we 397 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 3: appreciate you. I'm Amy Roboc alongside TJ. Holmes, where the 398 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 3: rain has turned to snow here in New York City 399 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:37,880 Speaker 3: as we hunk her down for this nor'easter. 400 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 4: We hope you'll keep listening. We will talk to you 401 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 4: very soon.