1 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: Welcome into another edition of Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks, 2 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: JP Shadwick, John Oser from the Hyundai studios at the 3 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: Miller Electric Center in Jacksonville. Bucky Brooks with us from 4 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: the Los Angeles. We've got plenty to get to today. 5 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:22,440 Speaker 1: The NFL Annual Meeting review. John Oser was there in Orlandos. 6 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: Some major rule changes coming out of those meetings. And 7 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: of course Doug Peterson. We'll hear from the head coach 8 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: from the AFC Coach's Breakfast at the Annual Meeting earlier 9 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: this week. And it is mock draft season. Bucky's latest 10 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 1: mock just dropped, and another player coming to the Jaguars. 11 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:43,240 Speaker 1: All that in just a little bit. First of all, Bucky, 12 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: good afternoon. 13 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 2: How the heck are you? 14 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 3: I'm great, man, It couldn't be fine. 15 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 4: We got the league years kicked off. I mean, John 16 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:53,279 Speaker 4: Orish has been working hard at the owners meetings. I'm 17 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 4: trying to listen in and see whatever he puts out 18 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 4: to make sure that I'm up to date on all 19 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 4: the happenings. And just wait for the drest man, just 20 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 4: wait for the draft to come, you know. 21 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 5: And but you had pro days the next couple of days, 22 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 5: right where are you? 23 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, so pro days we have l s U Jayde 24 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:09,960 Speaker 4: and Damimes is going to put on a show down 25 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 4: in Baton Bruge. And then we have Drake may Uh, 26 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 4: the vaunted tarhell going the next day on Thursday. See 27 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 4: if we can shake up these quarterback rankings? 28 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 5: Are there vaunted tar hills in football? 29 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 4: Some el some of the best players to ever do it? 30 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 4: And there's lt And then you think of Julius Peppers. 31 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 5: Famous Amos Famous. 32 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 4: Yeah, famous, amous, Like you have to be local products 33 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 4: to understand who famous as is the famous Bucks. 34 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 3: I mean, like there are a lot of guys. 35 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 5: I mean, come on, famous Amos back in the day, 36 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 5: man was like a big deal, but just. 37 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 4: For the name, just for the grew up on him 38 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 4: right that I had. 39 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 5: He was in your wheelhouse growing up. 40 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, I had little pictures of me and Amos, Lawrence 41 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 4: and Kelvin Bryant, who Kevin Bryant was really. 42 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 5: My guy, really good. 43 00:01:58,640 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 3: Yeah for a while. 44 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I'm sure Jacks fans wanted to hear 45 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 4: about all this tar heel lord, but yeah, famous SAMs. 46 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 2: We'll get to some of that coming up in just 47 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 2: a little bit. 48 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: And of course the latest mock draft just dropped, I 49 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 1: believe yesterday on NFL dot Com from Bucky Brooks. Well, 50 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 1: the biggest news coming out of the annual meeting earlier 51 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: this week in Orlando were some of. 52 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 2: The major rule changes. 53 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 1: And I mean, let's start with this kickoff rule, the 54 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: XFL style rule. Head coach Doug Peterson was asked about 55 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,359 Speaker 1: it before the vote to make it official. 56 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 2: His thoughts on the possible change. 57 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 6: I think there was around twenty percent of the kickoffs 58 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 6: twenty one percent of the kickoffs last year. We're returned, right, 59 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 6: zero out of thirteen kickoffs in the Super Bowl. I 60 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 6: think we're obviously not returned. You know, they were all touchbacks. 61 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:52,079 Speaker 6: I just think it's a it's a play that has 62 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 6: gone away in football. But we also got to remember, 63 00:02:55,800 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 6: you know, it can also be a high injury rate play, 64 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 6: you know, and so we got to think about player 65 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:06,239 Speaker 6: health and safety and keeping our guys healthy. 66 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 2: So, you know, it's a unique proposal. 67 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 6: Obviously, I think there's more questions that have to be asked, 68 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 6: and you know, we'll see. 69 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 2: Where it goes, all right. 70 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 1: So apparently those questions were asked and answered by at 71 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:21,519 Speaker 1: least to the fulfillment of twenty nine owners because it 72 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: was a twenty nine to three vote just the next day. 73 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 1: So in general, the kickers at the thirty five. The 74 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 1: other ten players from the kicking team will line up 75 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 1: at the opposing team's forty. The receiving team will have 76 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: at least nine players between the thirty five and thirty 77 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: yard lines. So the returners are in a landing zone, 78 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: which is essentially in the red zone from the twenty 79 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: to the goal line. Nobody can move until the ball 80 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 1: is received and then there you go. So that's the 81 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: basic XFL rules. A few tweaks to that, Bucky. So 82 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 1: first off, I mean, this is a huge change in 83 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: the way the game will look. And John, you've talked 84 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 1: about this before. Well you want to kind of see 85 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: it when you're sitting in a bar and make it 86 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: look like football. That's kind of the goal on a 87 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: lot of these rules. Bucky, what's your reaction to this 88 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: as a former player. 89 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 4: I actually like the fact that they're bringing the kickoff back. 90 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 4: I think it's really important. Growing up in the league, 91 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 4: they felt like the kickoff return was an offensive play, 92 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 4: and you know, the league has had great kickoff returners 93 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 4: over the years. In the last few years, the kickoff 94 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 4: was just a ceremonial play. People would tee it up 95 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 4: and go through the end zone. We start and put 96 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 4: the ball down in the offensive play. 97 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:32,720 Speaker 3: Well, now we have an. 98 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 4: Opportunity to see the return game. And I think anyone 99 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 4: who appreciates football can appreciate how special some of these 100 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 4: returners in the league are. Well, now they get a 101 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 4: chance to do it. Before we came on, I had 102 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 4: a chance to look at some of those XFL numbers 103 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 4: from kickoff returners. You had guys over thirty yards of 104 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,799 Speaker 4: return guys in the high twenties. That's kind of where. 105 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 3: Football was during this heyday. 106 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 4: It it takes some time for special teams coaches to 107 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:57,479 Speaker 4: adapt to kind of teaching a different technique when it 108 00:04:57,520 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 4: comes to the new formation. 109 00:04:59,000 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 3: But I like. 110 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 4: Seeing guys have an opportunity to create big plays in 111 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 4: the kicking game. If you're gonna talk about the third 112 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 4: phase being an equal equal part of the game plan 113 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 4: and how you must win on the kicking game and 114 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 4: those things where you got to give those guys an 115 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 4: opportunity to have an impact. This new proposal gives them 116 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 4: an opportunity to have an impact on the kickof and 117 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 4: turning game. 118 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 5: It's not an equal part. But but I get yours 119 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 5: three phases, three phases, it's part of a phase. Let's 120 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 5: go in this day and age, Let's go fifty five 121 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 5: percent offense thirty because that's the way. Clearly with the 122 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:40,159 Speaker 5: hip drop rule, the league is clearly just all offense. 123 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 5: But that's another topic. Look my senses. I'm with Bucky. 124 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 5: I like the fact that they are trying to bring 125 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 5: this back into the game. I was kidding about the 126 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:55,919 Speaker 5: special team saying earlier, Uh, I get the idea Buck 127 00:05:56,000 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 5: that probably there's gonna be some clun keyness to it 128 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 5: for the first year of it, and probably my guess 129 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:09,480 Speaker 5: is some things they have to revisit to make sure 130 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 5: that it looks right and it's being done as they 131 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 5: want it. But if you're going to adapt and you're 132 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 5: going to get the league overall safer, which I think 133 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 5: to save the league over the next fifty years, it 134 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 5: has to be safer. It can't be perceived as a 135 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 5: concussion league, a megadangerous league. Parents have to want their 136 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 5: kids to play the sport all that's involved with all this. 137 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:40,280 Speaker 5: If you're gonna have the league still be the league, 138 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 5: you have to make some of these changes. So I 139 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 5: think this is a nice step toward getting it back. 140 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 5: My sense is it may look a little different in 141 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 5: twenty twenty eight than it does in twenty twenty four. 142 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean some of that is. 143 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:56,479 Speaker 4: Yeah, you talk about like making it safe and for 144 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 4: the parents and those things, but a lot of it 145 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 4: is the head off the lawsuits' death are We're coming 146 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 4: from former players, I mean. 147 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 3: That's what a lot of that is. Hey, we put 148 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:04,720 Speaker 3: legislation in. 149 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:07,599 Speaker 4: We've taken some of these things out because the hip 150 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:10,239 Speaker 4: drop tackle, like while it's nice to bandon in theory, 151 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 4: is harder and practical turns. 152 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 3: Because when you're a player and from you. 153 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 4: One hundred and ninety five pounds and Derrick Henry's coming 154 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 4: around the corner and they're saying, hey, just wrap them 155 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:25,239 Speaker 4: up at two hundred and fifty pounds and take them down, 156 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 4: that's not a realistic way to do it. Well, it's 157 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 4: going to happen, and no one wants to do this 158 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 4: because the league has always existed where there was a 159 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 4: gentleman's agreement between players. Hey man, I won't hit you 160 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 4: in your knees, I. 161 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 3: Won't chop you down. 162 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 4: I won't cut you down unless I absolutely have to. Well, now, 163 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 4: when you take away being able to hit people up high, 164 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 4: you now can't kind of rustle and grab them down 165 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 4: without swiveling. The only recourse for players is to just 166 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 4: chop and roll everybody at the knees and so like, 167 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 4: we hate it, but as a defensive player, you really 168 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 4: don't have a choice because I'm not gonna get a 169 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 4: penalty and I'm not gonna get paying significant finds. The 170 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 4: one thing that I do know I can do is 171 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 4: I can just torpedo everybody right at the knees and 172 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 4: there are no penalties for that. 173 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 5: But it's sort of the problem about that they're taking 174 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 5: so many things away. They've taken so many things away 175 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 5: from defensive guys in the interest of player safety, And 176 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 5: I don't know the answer. I mean, I'm with you. 177 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 5: They had to do a lot of these things to 178 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 5: prevent the lawsuits and in the long run save the NFL. 179 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 5: I think, you know, or or at least have it 180 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 5: look somewhat like it looks, but they've taken a lot 181 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 5: away from defensive players. 182 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, and as you said, at fifty five percent, leaning 183 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:40,959 Speaker 4: towards the offense, you have owners who want to see 184 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 4: look points light up because that is what fans appreciate. 185 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 4: They want to see quarterbacks have big numbers because we've 186 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 4: romnticized the quarterback position and those things. 187 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:53,439 Speaker 3: So we get all that. 188 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:57,439 Speaker 4: But the one thing that continues to adapt and change defenses. 189 00:08:57,920 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 4: A couple of years ago, scoring up now, scoring is 190 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 4: back down the defensive coordinator. Defensive players are guys that adapt, 191 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 4: and so they'll adapt to this. We may not like 192 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 4: what it looks like when they adapt, but I would say, 193 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:11,319 Speaker 4: if I'm a coach, the only thing that I can 194 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 4: coach my guys to do is to take everybody out 195 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 4: below the knees to get them down. You got to 196 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 4: practice it. But you'll see more of those tackles than 197 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 4: the traditional wrap, squeeze, roll them down because a lot 198 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 4: of that crocodile death roll stuff that we're seeing was 199 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:28,839 Speaker 4: kind of a byproduct of some of the stuff that the. 200 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 3: Seahawks did when they took the head of the game. 201 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:34,679 Speaker 4: With the Hawks roll tackle. Now you will see other 202 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:36,839 Speaker 4: measures to tackle because you got to be able to 203 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 4: tackle play good defense, and at some point you got 204 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 4: to get guys down by any means necessary. 205 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: Would you even bring in like a rugby style instructor 206 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: for that? Yeah? 207 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 2: Too much? 208 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think you certainly bring those guys 209 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 4: in and people that have gone down that road over 210 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 4: the last decade because part of what the Seahawks were 211 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 4: doing with Pete Carroll had the initiative with the Seahawks 212 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 4: tackle that kind of came from rugby style tackling. Now, 213 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 4: what I would have to ask rugby experts do they 214 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 4: have issues with the hip drop tackle? Is that a 215 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 4: part of their game? If it's not a part of 216 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 4: their game, well, how do they make similar tackles? When 217 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 4: you're dealing with guys at those angles, the guy's heavier 218 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 4: than you, he's running side by side, how do I 219 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 4: get him down? All those things has to be discussed 220 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 4: and talked about, and really the onus is on the 221 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 4: coaches and the players to figure out how to drill it, 222 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 4: how to wrap it so guys can get comfortable making 223 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 4: these things. But I mean, you're asking guys who played 224 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:37,559 Speaker 4: football a certain way for twenty years for some guys 225 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 4: like to now change at the drop of a hat. 226 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 4: It's kind of nuts. But look, I get it, But 227 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 4: I also understand the consequences that are gonna happen when 228 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 4: god defenders have to kind of change how they go 229 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:49,839 Speaker 4: about doing their business. 230 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 5: We're gonna have knee injuries. Then in two years they're 231 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 5: gonna take that away. 232 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 2: Yeah that's right. 233 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 4: Well, I mean, yeah, they're gonna have to do something. 234 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 4: But that's what you're gonna do because people got mad 235 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 4: when years ago when Rob Greg Krowski got hit low, 236 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 4: the defenders like, man, what do you want me to do? 237 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 4: I can't hit you up high. I can't hit you 238 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 4: and the thing you have a fifty sixty pounds way difference. 239 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 4: The only thing I can do is to get you down. 240 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:11,679 Speaker 3: You go see it. 241 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 4: It's unfortunate and it's not a player driven thing, which 242 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 4: makes it tough because I think if you ask most 243 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 4: opfensive players, they will tell you like, hey, man, like 244 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 4: if you can take care of my knees and audit 245 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 4: other stuff like hit me high whatever. But now you 246 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 4: put it in the hands of others, and so guys 247 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 4: have to adapt. The players are the last ones to 248 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 4: kind of know what's going on, but they'll adapt. They'll 249 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:34,199 Speaker 4: a just the figure out a way to make it right. 250 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:38,319 Speaker 1: It's the Huddle Up Podcast. JP Shadwick Choanozer Bucky Brooks. 251 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:41,679 Speaker 1: Also at the NFL annual meeting this week in Orlando, 252 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 1: head coach Doug Peterson at the AFC Coach's Breakfast talking 253 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: about the Jaguars culture and what he wanted to instill 254 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 1: and explaining some of the signings in this free agency process. 255 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 6: This is the culture that I want to establish in Jacksonville, 256 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 6: and this is the reason why you go get guys 257 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 6: like Mitch Morse and Eric Armstead's and the Darknell Savages 258 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 6: and guys that have been to the postseason. 259 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 2: These guys have been captains. 260 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 6: On their teams, and you know, they've been to Super Bowls, 261 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 6: They've they've been to AFC Championship games. You know, so 262 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:13,199 Speaker 6: these guys know how to win. 263 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 5: And that's that's kind of the influx of. 264 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 6: Talent that we want to bring on to this our 265 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 6: young roster. Guys that have been there, done that. And 266 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 6: I've got to continue to message the team in the 267 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:24,599 Speaker 6: right way. And and you know, there's got to be 268 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 6: a sort of a confidence about you that you know 269 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 6: when you when you take the field on game day 270 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 6: that hey, you know, yeah, there's gonna be game. 271 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 2: You're gonna get beat. 272 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 6: I understand that, but you've got to have that confidence 273 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:35,559 Speaker 6: and that swagger that you know you're gonna get the 274 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 6: job done, you know, on game day. And I think 275 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 6: bringing in some of these free agents we did this 276 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 6: this spring are gonna help that. 277 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: The full press conference available at Jaguars dot com. John, 278 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:47,719 Speaker 1: you were sitting right there with them. 279 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, and Bucky to me the money quote there, Yes, 280 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 5: the free agents. I think the stat that I've found was, 281 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 5: you know, the Bills, Packers, Raven and forty nine ers, 282 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 5: which is where the bulk of this free agency class 283 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 5: is from seventeen playoff appearances in the last five years combined. 284 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 5: So clearly that was a thing. But to me, the 285 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 5: money word there was swagger. It felt in the last 286 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 5: six or seven games of last year, Doug really felt 287 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 5: the team lack that that ability to sort of grab 288 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 5: the season by its throat and make sure it didn't 289 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 5: go down the tank. You talk to him in like, 290 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 5: you know the key moments. Am I reading that right? 291 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, You're absolutely reading it right. And I think you 292 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 4: will not only be reflected in the free agents that 293 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:41,320 Speaker 4: are brought in, but I think you will see a 294 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 4: change in the guys that are drafted in terms of 295 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 4: where they come from, how much success they had as 296 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 4: collegiate players. The one thing that you're trying to do 297 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 4: when you flip a program is you want to locker 298 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:54,200 Speaker 4: room full of winners, Guys that have won at every level, 299 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:57,319 Speaker 4: Guys that understand the commitment, the sacrifice that it takes 300 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 4: to win. Guys that are willing to kind of back 301 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 4: for the greater good of the team to make sure 302 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 4: that the team has success. So it takes the right 303 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 4: kind of guys to fit that in, and so it's 304 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 4: not necessarily assembling the most talented roster. Is building the 305 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:14,599 Speaker 4: best team, and then building the best team, all the 306 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 4: pieces of the puzzle have to kind of fit together. 307 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 3: I think part of what. 308 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 4: Doug is looking for guys that have won, Guys that 309 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 4: understand how to play well in these high pressure moments. 310 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 3: And you hope that you have enough of those. 311 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 4: Older players that can teach and show the younger players 312 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 4: how to handle those moments. 313 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 3: Because you only get experienced by playing. 314 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 4: In those games. 315 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 3: And the Jaguars are hopefully. 316 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 4: That they will play in more of those meaningful games, 317 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 4: but you got to have people to show the young 318 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 4: guys how to get it. 319 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 2: Down, putting ahead. 320 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 1: We're back in a moment with a look at the 321 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 1: offseason program and Bucky Brooks's latest mock draft. This is 322 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 1: the Huddle Up pot. Welcome back to the Huddle Up Podcast. 323 00:14:56,840 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: The Jaguars are celebrating their thirtieth season, and the time 324 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: to get your twenty twenty four season ticket membership is 325 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 1: right now. Be at the bank for every touchdown and 326 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 1: secure your seats at Jaguars dot com slash tickets. We're 327 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 1: called nine oh four six three three two thousand eight 328 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 1: P Shadwick, John Osher, Bucky Brooks. 329 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 5: And JP. You're about to give me off season dates, right, Well, yeah, 330 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 5: that's yeah, all right, Well I can't wait. Please tell 331 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 5: me when OTA start. 332 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 2: Well, April fifteenth is strength and conditioning. 333 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 5: Okay, it's big. 334 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 3: Oh I like that. Yeah, so they get some there. 335 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, wait, let's start with that. I'll look for the 336 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 1: official date of OTAs, but it's coming. I think it's 337 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: like two or three weeks after that. 338 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I. 339 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 4: Can't Yeah, it's a few yeah, a few weeks after that. 340 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 4: Normally right after the draft, a week after the draft, 341 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 4: you have Ricky Minicamp. 342 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 3: That Ricky Minicamp will. 343 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 4: Kind of lead right into like OTA's depending on how 344 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 4: you break it up. I can't wait for John Oh 345 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 4: to update me with those daily reports of who how 346 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 4: many completions, many balls at the ground, who's starring, who's 347 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 4: gonna make the team gets off of their performances, and 348 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 4: O always reporting that from jail. 349 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 5: JP can vouch for you because he's here. You're out 350 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 5: in Los Angeles and sunshine Bucky. But the six I 351 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 5: mean four or five weeks leading into O TAS, it's 352 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 5: like being around a kid at Christmas. For me, I 353 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 5: can't wait and to build up the night before ot AS, 354 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 5: I don't see you. It's really what I love for. 355 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 5: It's kind of my favorite. 356 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, hopefully you're doing just like the players. You're you're 357 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 4: working yourself in the shape that that peak fitness. So 358 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 4: when you're standing around watching everybody like you are just 359 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 4: like them, you're ready to go. You're in championship for. 360 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 5: Unfortunately, I am in peak fitness. This is this is 361 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 5: about as peak as it gets. 362 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 2: For the record. 363 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 1: Phase one is two weeks long and it's just strength 364 00:16:56,800 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: and conditioning. Phase two is three weeks long, but there 365 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 1: are coaches a lot on the field. Individual drills there's 366 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 1: no offense versus defense. Then Phase three is three weeks 367 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 1: of ten total O t as and that's a four 368 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: week span, so they have. 369 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 2: We're looking at, you know, about a month and a 370 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:19,880 Speaker 2: half until. 371 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:23,200 Speaker 5: It's gonna it's gonna be special this year. 372 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 4: It's gonna be different. This would be the best off 373 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 4: season that we've had. We gonna hear people talk about 374 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 4: it is the best they've been, the best shape they've 375 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 4: ever been in. Ready to go? 376 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 5: Draft time? 377 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:34,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, bucking. 378 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: Your latest mock draft dropped, I believe, yesterday on NFL 379 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 1: dot Com and it's all over NFL network. The pants, 380 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: the pundits are discussing it. They did it on Good 381 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 1: Morning Football. They went all through it. 382 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 5: I mean the three point Oho. 383 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 2: This is it. This is You don't even remember? You 384 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 2: probably did this one, don't you put it in the bank. 385 00:17:57,640 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't. I don't even remember. I might have 386 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,439 Speaker 3: done this one at the cart I don't know. 387 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:04,199 Speaker 2: Well, let me refresh your memory. 388 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:09,120 Speaker 1: At number seventeen, the Jaguars are selecting Alabama cornerback Terry 389 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 1: and Arnold in your three point zero draft. 390 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 3: Look. I like Taron Arnold coming from Alabama. He's a 391 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:16,880 Speaker 3: high IQ player. 392 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 4: He is someone who has position flexibility, meaning he can 393 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,119 Speaker 4: bounce all over the secondary and play. 394 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 3: At Alabama, he spent some time. 395 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 4: Playing their star position, which would be the nickel position 396 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:30,440 Speaker 4: for US, but he's also played outside And I heard 397 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 4: Doug talk about this when he was describing Darnell Savage 398 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 4: and Antonio Johnson. He talked about just having the ability 399 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:38,440 Speaker 4: to kind of reshuffle the deck when it comes to 400 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 4: nickel situations. Teams are in nickel about seventy five percent 401 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:43,880 Speaker 4: of the time, so on Honored, you have a guy 402 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:46,439 Speaker 4: that can start our outside, he can slide inside. It 403 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 4: just gives you a lot of versus like a lot. 404 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 3: Of flexibility in terms of how you want. 405 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 4: To match up with the teams. 406 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 3: And the fact that he's a really high IQ player 407 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 3: with great technique. 408 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 4: I think he really fish what they're looking for the position. 409 00:18:58,280 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 5: And Bucky, I'll give you a lot of credit where 410 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 5: it's do. I've been talking for two or three weeks 411 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 5: about having to maybe rethink how we talk about this 412 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:11,359 Speaker 5: defense and not talk about it so much as a 413 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:15,639 Speaker 5: four to three four, but talk about it more. As 414 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 5: you know, I've been saying four to five, but maybe 415 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 5: you just talk about it as a four man front, 416 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 5: and then the back is going to be so many 417 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 5: things that it's hard to really define. It's a four 418 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 5: to seven Yeah, I mean it's it's talk about that 419 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 5: a little bit because you educated me on that a 420 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 5: few weeks ago. That's not just this defense. It's really 421 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:37,159 Speaker 5: the entire league right now. But how does it really 422 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 5: apply to this defense? 423 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:39,360 Speaker 3: Yeah? 424 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 4: No, I mean the entire league is living in sub packages, 425 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 4: and so what you mean by subpackages substitution packages where 426 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 4: you're putting different persons on on the field to match up. 427 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 4: So sometimes that might mean five defensive backs on the field. 428 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:54,360 Speaker 4: Sometimes it could mean six defensive backs on. 429 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 3: The field and one linebacker. 430 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 4: And for D linemen, people change and vary up what 431 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 4: they you want to have. Sometimes you have two D linemen, 432 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 4: two linebackers, and like a bunch of dbs on the field. 433 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:07,679 Speaker 4: It really depends on who you're playing and what you 434 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:09,879 Speaker 4: have and what the strengths of the team are. Is 435 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 4: important when you're trying to make that transition and shift 436 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,640 Speaker 4: to being a team that's a little more adaptable and 437 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 4: a little more matchup centric. You have to have enough 438 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 4: pieces and enough weapons to give the defensive coordinator that flexibility. 439 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 3: You've heard Doug talk. 440 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 4: About position versatility and how important that is. It's important 441 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 4: because it allows you to kind of get your best 442 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:35,120 Speaker 4: eleven on the field at all times, and the more 443 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 4: that you can do enhances your opportunity. 444 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 3: To get on the field. That might be maybe. 445 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 4: The biggest shift in the defense. Being able to be 446 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 4: a little more adaptable and creative while staying within the 447 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 4: framework of a system and a scheme has been fairly 448 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:50,160 Speaker 4: successful throughout the league. 449 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 5: So how do you do that? Bucky, Pete Prisco and 450 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 5: I were talking about it on the podcast yesterday. I think, 451 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 5: you know, I think realistically you're going to see some 452 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 5: safeties in what outsiders think of as quote the Nickel roll, 453 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 5: Antonio Johnson and Savage. It almost feels to me like 454 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 5: it's going to be sort of weird to even call 455 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,639 Speaker 5: them quote safety and or nickel. It's just going to 456 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:19,439 Speaker 5: be a position that's maybe, as you say, a hybrid position, 457 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 5: but at some point you sort of need to cover 458 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:27,360 Speaker 5: nickel too, right, I mean, like, I guess that's the 459 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:30,640 Speaker 5: art of being a defensive coordinator within this is sort 460 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,640 Speaker 5: of knowing how to get those guys into positions where 461 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:37,680 Speaker 5: they don't get exposed where they're in the right look 462 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 5: for the right time. You know what I'm getting that. 463 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,439 Speaker 4: Yeah, No, it's a challenge, and yeah, you have multiple 464 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 4: guys that can play that. 465 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 3: So when you and Peter having. 466 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 4: That conversation, a lot of it is, hey man, we 467 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 4: can do all these things on the whiteboard, but how 468 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 4: much of it can we practice because we have to 469 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 4: rep it to be able to be good at it 470 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:57,639 Speaker 4: in games, and how much can our guys handle when 471 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:01,160 Speaker 4: it comes to processing. That's why the high IQ part. 472 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:03,680 Speaker 4: We'll come into these situation now when you think about 473 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 4: changing the defense, you can need smart players to be 474 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 4: able to do heavy volume, high volume stuff. So I 475 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 4: think you'll see a shift in that. We've already seen 476 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 4: some of those things. But to put the best eleven 477 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 4: on the field, yeah, you're gonna have to ask some 478 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 4: guys that can go inside and are comfortable playing inside. 479 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,399 Speaker 4: It is a different position playing the nickel or the 480 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 4: dim position. Because you're inside. You got to be physical 481 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 4: enough in the run game to. 482 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 3: Add like a linebacker, but you need to be nimbling. 483 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 4: Athletic enough to be able to play guys in space, 484 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:37,680 Speaker 4: those quick jitterbugs that are in the slot. Everybody can't 485 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 4: handle that job description. I think that is a huge 486 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 4: need for the Jags. You got to try and find 487 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 4: who can be that slot defender that can get it done. 488 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 5: Who else do you consider it? Seventeen? Everybody's got Tarnald 489 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 5: this week. He's the flavor of the month. 490 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 4: Yeah, tearing on it because I think Quinnyon Mitchell won't 491 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 4: be there, But I look, if he's not there, they're 492 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 4: a handful of corners that play there. Nate Wiggins is 493 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 4: a really good player from Clemson. Super Fast, obviously he 494 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 4: ran super fast at the Combine, but he's really thin, 495 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 4: one hundred and seventy five pounds. That can be problematic 496 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 4: when you're playing against some of these big bodied wide receivers, 497 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 4: not only in the league but within the division. Nate 498 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 4: Wiggins will be considered. 499 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 3: You're here. 500 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 4: Cooper dejen talked about the kid from Iowa who's a 501 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 4: super athlete. Can play anywhere on the field, corner of safety, 502 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 4: nickel don whatever it is, can return kicks and punts. 503 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:30,679 Speaker 4: He's a fantastic player. Got hurt at the end of 504 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 4: the Iowa season, but he'll be in consideration. 505 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 3: You're here. 506 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 4: Kamari Lassiter, his name Banditdaballo, kool Aid, McKinstry. So they're 507 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,680 Speaker 4: a handful of guys that can go there. But if 508 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 4: you ask me, I think this is a situation where 509 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 4: the Jags need to double up at the position, meaning 510 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 4: take one early, then come back and take another one 511 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 4: in the mid round, so maybe a first round corner, 512 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 4: then come back and take a third round corner like 513 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:56,119 Speaker 4: a Max Milton, like a Dick one Hardy. So there 514 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 4: are a bunch of guys that can play. How committed 515 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,880 Speaker 4: are you to overhauling your depth chart to make sure that. 516 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 3: You have enough players to play the style? 517 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:10,159 Speaker 4: And Ryan Nelson wants to play, Yeah. 518 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:14,680 Speaker 3: Well look at it, look at this draft. 519 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, you spent you spent your money in free agency 520 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:22,160 Speaker 4: on the front line, right and hopefully h Josh Allen 521 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 4: will get done. But if you think about it, you 522 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 4: got high price free agent and Eric Armstead you have 523 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,199 Speaker 4: another high price homegrown free agent, and Josh Allen you 524 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 4: got a first round pick and Trayvon Walker. I mean 525 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 4: that that's a lot of capital upfront. 526 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:36,400 Speaker 3: Now in the back game you have. 527 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:38,120 Speaker 4: To figure out how to do it, I would say, 528 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,440 Speaker 4: on the cheap and on the cheap would be through 529 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,639 Speaker 4: the draft. So even though it's significant draft capital to 530 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 4: take some money in the first round, on paper, it's 531 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:47,920 Speaker 4: a lot cheaper to do that than to get into 532 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 4: Lugarious Snead business. 533 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:50,880 Speaker 3: And we saw the contrary b sign. 534 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 4: So you have to make those choices, and you also 535 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 4: have to make those choices with an eye towards paying 536 00:24:56,760 --> 00:25:00,119 Speaker 4: your quarterback because once Trevor Larrence gets paid, a. 537 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 3: Whole lot of other people that's gonna get paid. 538 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 4: So you're gonna have to do it with draft and 539 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 4: developed type players on both sides of the ball. 540 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:10,119 Speaker 1: The mock Draft three point oh Bucky Brooks available now 541 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 1: NFL dot Com. 542 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 5: Almost a bible, really, I mean it's almost a draft 543 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 5: Bible version three point I mean. 544 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,880 Speaker 4: I mean some of that just wait till. 545 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 5: If you ate. Three point oh was something just wait 546 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,679 Speaker 5: for you. 547 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:33,359 Speaker 3: Wait you wait the four oh comes out. That's one you've. 548 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:39,160 Speaker 5: Been saving it. You've been saving the good stuff. 549 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,160 Speaker 2: Bucky, great stuff. As always. We'll talk to you again 550 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 2: next week. 551 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 4: I mean, it was a lot of fun, you guys. 552 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 2: Thank Bucky Brooks, John Ozer, I'm j P. Shadicker. 553 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 1: Thanks to Joe Fortunado and Brent Reeber, and thanks to 554 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 1: you for listening to the Huddle Up podcast.