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Speaker 2: So we got a great show for everybody today. We've

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Speaker 2: got Ukraine. We're going to talk a little bit about

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Speaker 2: what's going on Belgo Rod Russia, some crazy stuff cross

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Speaker 2: border activity, accusations flying across the border, and then some

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Speaker 3: We're going to talk about the debt ceiling.

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Speaker 2: Ryan, You're going to give us your extensive Capitol Hill

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Speaker 2: actually flagged some interesting stuff going on in Florida, well

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Speaker 2: Tim Scott, we're always, of course covering twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 2: Here Tim Scott officially announcing.

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Speaker 2: Glenn youngin also thinking about throwing his hat there in

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Speaker 3: Then they called her manager. They actually were the Karens.

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Speaker 3: That's the most of it. This is a great story.

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Speaker 2: We're going to break it down and just to follow

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Speaker 2: to the show. As I alluded to. With Ukraine, extraordinary

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Speaker 2: action happening yesterday, let's go this. Throw this up from

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Speaker 2: the Wall Street Journal. Ukrainian backed troops have staged a

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Speaker 2: cross border incursion into Russia. The Ukrainian military intelligence identified

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Speaker 2: of like those little green men that walked into CRIMEA

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Speaker 2: right Ryan So what they said is that President Putin

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Speaker 2: intelligence suggested that there was some major cross border activity

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Speaker 2: happening in the Belgarad region of Russia. For those who

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Speaker 2: these two groups, who they call themselves Ryan were like

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Speaker 3: Or right the Free Russia legion.

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Speaker 2: But that is part of the overall foreign legions that

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Speaker 3: So what do you make of the attack Ryan?

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Speaker 2: Approximately eight people or so were injured, doesn't appear to

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Speaker 5: Right, and they're not really trying to hide it now

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Speaker 5: That is that is an escalation, even though it's just words,

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Speaker 2: Are we really going to say that this didn't have

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Speaker 3: He gave me an assurance we won't use it to.

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Speaker 2: Attack Rush like the day after you see the most

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Speaker 2: Everyone's like, how can you blame Ukraine for I can't.

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Speaker 2: what though, if you experience the risk of you know,

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Speaker 2: And instead we're the ones who are supplying this army.

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Speaker 3: And here's the other thing. They never even apologized.

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Speaker 2: They still deny that it was ever them, and we're

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Speaker 3: So how do we know?

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Speaker 2: Here's the other question too, how much command and control

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Speaker 5: Sure, and Zelensky fair fairly new leader, Yes, overseeing a disorganized,

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Speaker 5: young kind of military and country. So you could imagine

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Speaker 2: Could you kind of explain that, because I think that

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Speaker 2: In developing countries and specifically post Soviet republics, power is

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Speaker 5: Point, because Israel has sort of de facto NATO membership

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Speaker 5: Just like if we ever see anybody saying like, no Spanish,

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Speaker 4: Is a melting pot.

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Speaker 5: If they won't speak Spanish, they can speak Spanish, So,

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Speaker 5: The vision that some war policymakers here in the United

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Speaker 5: And it's not crazy, like it's no, this is actually

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Speaker 2: And also people forget this, we have spent billion, hundreds

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Speaker 4: Right after World War.

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Speaker 3: The coups until seven.

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Speaker 5: Yes, absolutely brutal, horrific place to live for anybody who

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Speaker 4: They're constantly under threats.

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Speaker 5: Because it makes sense, like Abraham Lincoln was not the

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Speaker 3: Ain't know why.

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Speaker 2: It's like I just said, because they got cool companies

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Speaker 5: Like this is not what Ukraine will do too, will

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Speaker 3: They're certainly that.

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Speaker 2: But there's what I would posit is, I don't see

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Speaker 5: Of like a well, maybe they'll get wiped out, but

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Speaker 4: So you're right back.

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Speaker 3: But a lot of them left. They don't live in

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Speaker 4: They had connections already.

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Speaker 2: Here, or they went to the West, they already had

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Speaker 2: you know, one of our major cities, Los Angeles or

441
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Speaker 2: Hawaii for example, one of our states is literally at

442
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Speaker 2: risk of annihilation because of our relationship with that country.

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Speaker 2: I think that's a balance and a trade that is

444
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Speaker 2: probably worth it in the long run, given the amount

445
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Speaker 2: of economic activity and cross cultural connection and all that

446
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Speaker 2: we have. But that needs to be a conscious choice

447
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Speaker 2: by the American people. And I don't think that is

448
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Speaker 2: a conscious choice right now for Ukraine. And if they

449
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Speaker 2: want it to be that way, well you got to

450
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Speaker 2: sell it to us. Then you've got to come out

451
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Speaker 2: and say, like, all right, guys, we're signing up for

452
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Speaker 2: one hundred year commitment here and that we're going to

453
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Speaker 2: we're going to turn Ukraine in the next South Korea.

454
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Speaker 2: It's like, okay, well, are we all ready for you know,

455
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Speaker 2: a billion or not a trillion dollars or so to

456
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Speaker 2: be spent in terms of economic development there. That seems

457
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Speaker 2: like a big, big lift and not something necessarily that

458
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Speaker 2: has a democratic support.

459
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Speaker 3: So they have to sell it to us first.

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Speaker 5: Right, None of these wars were like declared and voted on, right, NGO,

461
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Speaker 5: And so Kevin McCarthy and Joe Biden met in the

462
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Speaker 5: White House yesterday. Here's Kevin McCarthy House Speaker. After that

463
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Speaker 5: meeting the President, he said that he's willing to cut spending,

464
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Speaker 5: but he also wants to raise revenue as well.

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Speaker 6: Are you willing to talk about that?

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Speaker 7: No, Just to be clear, why when you talk about

467
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Speaker 7: raising revenue. If you look at the fifty year average

468
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Speaker 7: of America, how much money have we brought in by revenue?

469
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Speaker 7: That would be roughly about seventeen percent of GDP. Right

470
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Speaker 7: now we're bringing almost twenty percent of GDP in revenue. Now,

471
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Speaker 7: how many times does that happen in modern history? Only

472
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Speaker 7: twice in nineteen forty four and in two thousand. So

473
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Speaker 7: you're bringing in more money at a higher percentage than

474
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Speaker 7: any other time.

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Speaker 3: Can you explain?

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Speaker 2: First of all, that was his reaction right outside of

477
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Speaker 2: the White House. But we have a thread, Ryan, could

478
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Speaker 2: you break this down, I think for the audience, let's

479
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Speaker 2: put it up there on the screen. These are just

480
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Speaker 2: about what exactly the GOP wants and can you put

481
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Speaker 2: it in plain English for everybody.

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Speaker 5: So basically, what the what Republicans are saying is that

483
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Speaker 5: spending increased significantly under the Biden administration. So therefore it's

484
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Speaker 5: unfair to say that we're going to do the normal

485
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Speaker 5: cost of living inflation adjustments because we did such significant

486
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Speaker 5: bumps over the last couple of years. So therefore we

487
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Speaker 5: need to spend less and that that's the thing that

488
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 5: might get Republicans hung up completely is that and you

489
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Speaker 5: can move to the next one.

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Speaker 4: So people, if they want to read this while we're talking.

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Speaker 5: They're saying Republicans are saying, we want to spend absolutely less,

492
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Speaker 5: like not just as a percentage, not just a slower

493
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Speaker 5: rate of growth, but less than the year before nominal right,

494
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Speaker 5: and they want to spend that. They want to spend

495
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Speaker 5: more on the Pentagon. So if you want to give

496
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Speaker 5: more to the military and you want to give less overall,

497
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Speaker 5: then you have to give a huge amount less. And

498
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Speaker 5: if you have already agreed accidentally in a state of

499
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Speaker 5: the Union not to touch medicare and soil security, that

500
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Speaker 5: limits you to discretionary spending, which is like the EPA.

501
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Speaker 4: The Bureau of Indian Affairs, it's veterans.

502
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Speaker 5: A lot of that is veterans, which is what is

503
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Speaker 5: also getting Republicans hung up because they're like, oh, no, no,

504
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Speaker 5: of course we're not going after veterans, Like okay, So

505
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Speaker 5: you keep saying that all these things you're not going after,

506
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Speaker 5: and that leaves them with rights app and then they

507
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Speaker 5: want to go after some of the some of the

508
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Speaker 5: climate tax credits in IRA and for Biden, that's a

509
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Speaker 5: red line he's and he wouldn't have the votes for

510
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Speaker 5: that in the House, House or Senate anyway.

511
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Speaker 4: And so then they're stuck.

512
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Speaker 5: Now they're back to then, well, okay, what can we

513
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Speaker 5: do about food stamps again? And then they're going to say, well,

514
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Speaker 5: and we're only going to do work requirements for able

515
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Speaker 5: bodied people without dependence. Okay, the number of people getting

516
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Speaker 5: food stamps in that situation is very slim, really and there,

517
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Speaker 5: and the amount they get is like nineteen dollars or something, okay,

518
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Speaker 5: twenty dollars a month.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So this is this is where he's talking about

520
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Speaker 2: if we can go to the talking about both are

521
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Speaker 2: agreeing on permitting reform. This is one where I'm pretty

522
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Speaker 2: pro permitting reform.

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Speaker 3: Ryan. Can you steal mean?

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Speaker 6: Okay?

525
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Speaker 4: Can?

526
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Speaker 2: I was gonna say, can you at least steal man?

527
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Speaker 2: Or where else I am on this for because I

528
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Speaker 2: don't think people understand this.

529
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Speaker 3: It has to do with it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, it's framed by its detractors as just about oil,

531
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Speaker 2: but it's not just about It has to do with

532
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Speaker 2: all clean energy. And so as somebody who is very

533
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Speaker 2: anti the current regulatory regime around wind, solar, and nuclear,

534
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Speaker 2: especially nuclear, permitting reform to me actually does look like

535
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Speaker 2: an incredibly good idea, but maybe explain it to why

536
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Speaker 2: people are opposed.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm a kind of a heretic on this right.

538
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Speaker 5: But to make the argument against permitting reform, what people

539
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Speaker 5: say is like, look, they're already telling us we have

540
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Speaker 5: five or ten years to cap emissions at what are

541
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Speaker 5: already catastrophic levels that are putting humanity at risk, like

542
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Speaker 5: existent of an existential crisis like that.

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Speaker 4: That's the that's the argument.

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Speaker 5: And there's a lot of climate sciences that says, yeah,

545
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Speaker 5: actually that could be right, and that if you do

546
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Speaker 5: permitting reform that is geared toward fossil the fossil fuel industry,

547
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Speaker 5: and the fact that API of the American Petrolium Institute

548
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Speaker 5: left its watermark on Joe Mansions, permitting reform really poisoned it. Well,

549
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Speaker 5: So to explain that, so to speak, So oftentimes legislation

550
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 5: is written on K Street by lobbyists, and Newt Gingrich

551
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 5: helped bring this about in nineteen ninety four by when

552
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Speaker 5: he took over, he gutted the amount of staff that

553
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Speaker 5: the public has, so the public gets what it pays for,

554
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Speaker 5: and so members of Congress outsource a lot of their

555
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Speaker 5: legislative writing to k streets. So the American Petroleum Institute

556
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Speaker 5: wrote Joe Manchin's permitting reform legislation, put their watermark on it,

557
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Speaker 5: and forgot to take it off when they circulate it.

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Speaker 3: So what is your pro case for permitting?

559
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Speaker 5: So the pro case is that we have learned from

560
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Speaker 5: recent in inflation politics and also from the yellow vest

561
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Speaker 5: protests in France that turning around climate politics by forcing

562
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Speaker 5: working class people to pay more for energy is just

563
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Speaker 5: maybe in an ideal world where you're an authoritarian and

564
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Speaker 5: you can just crush all dissent.

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Speaker 4: Can do it, but it's not going to work.

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Speaker 5: It's going to produce popular revolt, and your policies are

567
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Speaker 5: going to be repealed. So what's the point of trying

568
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 5: to force through a policy that's just going to get

569
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Speaker 5: repealed amid anger. The only way you're going to get

570
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:09,919
Speaker 5: there is if renewables and clean energy can compete and

571
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Speaker 5: are cheap cheaper than fossil fuels, and so you're not

572
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Speaker 5: going to be able to keep everything in the ground

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Speaker 5: by force. The way you're going to keep things in

574
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Speaker 5: the ground is the way you're keeping coal in the

575
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Speaker 5: ground now in the United States, which is companies look

576
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Speaker 5: at it, and they're like, it's not worth the money

577
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,159
Speaker 5: it takes to dig that out of the ground keep to.

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Speaker 3: Burn natural gas, and so we'll do. No one is

579
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Speaker 3: saying natural gas is great, but it's a hell of

580
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Speaker 3: a lot better than coal.

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Speaker 5: And so the argument for permitting reform is you can't

582
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Speaker 5: you can't get enough wind, solar, geothermal, and other renewables

583
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Speaker 5: online at scale in order to drive the price down.

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Speaker 5: If every single neighborhood can look at a transmission line

585
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Speaker 5: and say, you know what, we prefer actually not to

586
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Speaker 5: have a transmission line. Oh really, that's that's interesting. That's surprising.

587
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Speaker 5: We've never met anybody who would you rather not have

588
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Speaker 5: construction in your backyard.

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00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:03,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what. That's our choice. Yeah, it's And if.

590
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Speaker 5: We want to have nine billion people on the planet

591
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Speaker 5: who are using this much energy, we're going to have

592
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Speaker 5: to get the energy from somewhere.

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Speaker 2: This is important for people to get because this is

594
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Speaker 2: like one of the biggest wars in Washington right now.

595
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Speaker 2: And that's another reason why I was pretty annoyed with

596
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Speaker 2: Biden whenever he phrased it as like some massive giveaway

597
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Speaker 2: to the oil industry. Sometimes two things can be true.

598
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 2: Industry can want something, it can also still be good,

599
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Speaker 2: you know, whenever it comes to cost, and like what

600
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Speaker 2: you're laying out here, the way our regulatory regime. I've

601
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Speaker 2: talked about this before in terms of like nuclear reactors,

602
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Speaker 2: Like we haven't had a new nuclear reactor built in

603
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Speaker 2: the United States or at least has come online in

604
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Speaker 2: the United States as the nineteen seventies. There's one currently

605
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Speaker 2: in the works. It takes it way too long to build,

606
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 2: and it costs way too much money. Now, some of

607
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 2: that is definitely on the companies itself. A lot of it, though,

608
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 2: is also on the government. And there's some crazy breakthrough

609
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 2: technology happening right now in the world of nuclear reactors.

610
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Speaker 2: They're looking at him that are so small they can

611
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Speaker 2: fit literally inside of a truck, I mean nuclear fission technology.

612
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Speaker 2: And most of it is happening the research not in

613
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Speaker 2: the US, and it's specifically because they don't think they

614
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 2: can do business here. Unfortunately, the Europeans, while they sometimes

615
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 2: have a better permitting regime, they also are anti nuclear ideologically,

616
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Speaker 2: and so we're really not seeing the uptake on this

617
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Speaker 2: in the world's most developed economies. The Asians are the

618
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Speaker 2: ones instead who are like, hey, come over here except Japan.

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Speaker 6: You know.

620
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Speaker 3: Now Japan is.

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Speaker 4: Out also because they had a little bit of a situation.

622
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Speaker 2: Well it was their fault, Okay, I'll maintain that, but

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Speaker 2: that was one percent on them. The problem though, also Ryan,

624
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Speaker 2: is that the way that this all fits is, as

625
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Speaker 2: I understand it, this is a major Republican priority, but

626
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Speaker 2: they are also not willing to trade on some revenue raisers.

627
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Speaker 2: And this is where let me call out the Republicans

628
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 2: here because this stuff drives me absolutely crazy. They specifically

629
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 2: shot down closing the carried interest loophole, which is literally

630
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 2: only beneficial for people who work in private equity and

631
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 2: venture capital who.

632
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 3: Are multi multi multimillion.

633
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Speaker 2: Just so they don't have to pay a tax which

634
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Speaker 2: is equivalent to income tax like you or I or

635
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 2: anybody else would and can pay dramatically lower on their

636
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 2: millions of profits.

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Speaker 3: So, like, let's be clear, that's number one.

638
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Speaker 2: Number two where they're talking about here is wonky, But

639
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Speaker 2: it's about pharmacy benefit managements.

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Speaker 3: Can you explain that one? So the people and these these.

641
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Speaker 5: Are the new folks who are really in the cross

642
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 5: hairs of everybody in Washington because like some of the

643
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Speaker 5: Earth Insurance companies and drug makers, who are some of

644
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Speaker 5: the two of the most powerful lobbies in Washington, were.

645
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Speaker 4: Like, who can we take out?

646
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Speaker 5: Right, it's like a pharmacy benefic managers And these are

647
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Speaker 5: the folks who are basically middlemen and are negotiating.

648
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Speaker 2: All they do is at cost, right, Like that is

649
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Speaker 2: literally all they do is at cost of prescription drug.

650
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Speaker 4: And it's true.

651
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Speaker 5: And yes, sure, you know, nuke the pharmacy benefit manag

652
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Speaker 5: It's not going to save everything, but it'll it'll do something, right,

653
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Speaker 5: uh And and it's it's hilarious because the public is

654
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 5: clamoring for something, and the insurance industry, in the pharma

655
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 5: school industry like here's something you can do.

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00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 6: Yeah.

657
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 4: And finally Congress is like, yes, sir, yes.

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Speaker 2: And there was a really funny part of Ryan here

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Speaker 2: that we were talking about yesterday. Let's put it up

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Speaker 2: there on the screen about how there is a growing

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Speaker 2: sense of regret within Democratic ranks that the party missed

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Speaker 2: an opportunity to neutralize the debt limit when they fully

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Speaker 2: controlled Congress and White House for two years.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you think what a stupid you know.

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Speaker 2: My favorite part, Ryan is that the best it's been

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Speaker 2: explained to me. The reason why they didn't do it

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Speaker 2: is because they would have had to put a number

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Speaker 2: on it, and by putting a number on it, they

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Speaker 2: would have thought they thought that would be a bad headline.

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Speaker 2: So they were not willing to sacrifice one bad headline

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Speaker 2: for having to now cut all the programs that the

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Speaker 2: past while they were in office. And look, the ball

673
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Speaker 2: is in the Republican's court, there's no question. I mean,

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Speaker 2: they are completely controlling the playbook here. You know, Biden

675
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Speaker 2: and all them bent the knee almost in every way.

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Speaker 2: Speaker McCarthy also spoke at the Capitol yesterday after he

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Speaker 2: returned from the White House.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen to what he said.

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Speaker 8: So what we would like to do is, sit down.

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Speaker 8: We have to spend less than we spent last year.

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Speaker 8: And you got to know why the Democrats spent six

682
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Speaker 8: trillion dollars. They brought us inflation more dependent on China.

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Speaker 8: We've had three of the biggest four banks failures just

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Speaker 8: in the last couple of months. So what we want

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Speaker 8: to do is a limit of the amount of spending

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Speaker 8: that we could do in the future, about one percent.

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Speaker 8: That is an idea by Joe Manchin. Get our supply

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Speaker 8: chain working again, so work requirements for only able body

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Speaker 8: people with no dependence.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So what do you get from that, Ryan is

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Speaker 2: that he's drawing it out when he said able body people.

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Speaker 2: But the problem is, I just don't see how you

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Speaker 2: reach the overall top line numbers here. So I think

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Speaker 2: that the TLDR is we're trying to explain to everybody

695
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Speaker 2: here like what exactly they want, Well, the White House

696
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Speaker 2: doesn't want. And the consequences, I mean, we've talked about

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Speaker 2: ad nauseum at this point, but are very grave from

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Speaker 2: what I have seen. One current estimates as one point

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Speaker 2: five million people could lose their job within just the

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Speaker 2: first forty hours that we would have Medicare and Social

701
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Speaker 2: Security payments that would stop on June eighth if they

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Speaker 2: let the crisis drag on, not to market, not to

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Speaker 2: mention a very likely market drop of some twenty percent

704
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Speaker 2: or so on the S and P five hundred. But

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Speaker 2: here's the other thing. Nobody knows it could know. Absolutely

706
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Speaker 2: nobody knows how it would go. Even the fourteenth Amendment

707
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Speaker 2: now and all the consideration on that stuff, it's up

708
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Speaker 2: in the air. Because Biden decided that he wouldn't do it,

709
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Speaker 2: and now it's maybe on the table. So overall it's

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Speaker 2: a very chaotic situation and it's not good. Where do

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Speaker 2: you think things will progress from now?

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Speaker 5: I think it depends on what Republicans are willing to

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Speaker 5: say yes to, because I think that Democrats, if Biden

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Speaker 5: agrees to something, there will be enough Democrats to that.

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Speaker 5: You know, you get a hundred you maybe get a

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Speaker 5: hundred Democrats in the House right to go with it.

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Speaker 5: So what's your sense on how many Republicans there are

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Speaker 5: who would take a deal that is good for them.

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Speaker 5: Let's say your freezing spending and you've got two years

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Speaker 5: worth of caps and that you can fight it out

721
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Speaker 5: in the next election against you know what the status

722
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Speaker 5: quote was. It's a huge win, but it's not everything

723
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Speaker 5: they wanted. Do you think that there will be a revolt?

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Speaker 5: That seems to be the big question.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. There's no quote. You know.

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Speaker 2: The other idea that I heard floated to me by

727
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Speaker 2: somebody was, hey, man, I don't think we'll DeVault. They'll

728
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Speaker 2: probably just do some one month extension or something like

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Speaker 2: that to September, which I mean it's possible.

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Speaker 3: I'm not so sure.

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Speaker 2: Though that the the you know, far right people when

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Speaker 2: like the freedom caucused type people in the House would

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Speaker 2: go for that. So I genuinely don't know. I don't

734
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Speaker 2: know what they would be willing to agree to.

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Speaker 4: It could get an extension, like Democrats vote for an extent.

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Speaker 2: Dems would definitely vote for an extension, and it's possible

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Speaker 2: they could say.

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Speaker 4: Look.

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Speaker 2: The other thing is that I kind of said this

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Speaker 2: to Crystal yesterday, is I really think that nobody's gonna

741
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Speaker 2: budge until the markets crash.

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Speaker 3: I think something's going to really crash.

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Speaker 2: That was by the way, I kept wondering, why do

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Speaker 2: they keep holding these meetings at four thirty pm or five?

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Somebody looked at me like it was an idiot, and

747
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Speaker 2: I was like, does they don't want the markets to crash?

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Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, that's so obvious. That actually

749
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Speaker 3: makes ten.

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Speaker 2: So the reason why everyone, if you're wondering, why these

751
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Speaker 2: are taking a place later in the day, is because

752
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Speaker 2: they have to wait until markets closed so that there's

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Speaker 2: no reaction to what they do.

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Speaker 4: For Biden, he's like four o'clock, man, I'm done.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know. The guy never works passed forth there.

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Speaker 2: That's why I was shocked sin since one is Biden

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Speaker 2: have a five thirty pm meeting on his calendar. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: this apparently is the answer. Let's go to the next

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Speaker 2: one here. These are some interesting polling Ryan around the

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Speaker 2: border crisis and probably one of the more vulnerable areas

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Speaker 2: for Democrats right now.

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Speaker 3: Let's put it up there on the screen.

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Speaker 2: CBS poll asks directly, do you think the Biden administration

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Speaker 2: should be tougher or easier on migrants who are trying

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Speaker 2: to cross at the US Mexico border? Fifty eight percent

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Speaker 2: actually plus four from April say tougher easier, only twenty percent.

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Speaker 2: You know what's fascinating is that even amongst Democrats, you've

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Speaker 2: got forty one percent saying tougher, twenty percent easier. GOP

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Speaker 2: is eighty four eleven, Indy is fifty four to twenty five.

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Speaker 2: And then you've got the racial breakdown. Ironically, Hispanic as well,

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Speaker 2: which is often held up as some monolith, you know, community,

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Speaker 2: is also at forty one percent tougher, just so everybody knows.

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Speaker 2: I think it's an interesting breakdown, Ryan, in terms of

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Speaker 2: broader and how much people are thinking about it. Put

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Speaker 2: the next one up there on the screen, because people's

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Speaker 2: feelings on this are more nuanced than you would think.

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Speaker 2: So for example, if you ask people, would you favor

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Speaker 2: housing migrants or think there are facilities to do so,

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Speaker 2: there at fifty two to thirty seven. If you say

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Speaker 2: housing migrants willingness versus space concern, most people are very

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Speaker 2: much in favor of housing them. However, in terms of

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Speaker 2: some of the bigger breakdown, like do you think that

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Speaker 2: you should be tougher, well, then yeah, the vast majority

784
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Speaker 2: actually say yes. For example, you know Ron DeSantis got

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Speaker 2: a lot of heat for sending migrants to Martha's Vineyard.

786
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Speaker 2: They say, do you approve of migrants to sending northern states?

787
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Speaker 2: They say, yes, you think we should involve parts of

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Speaker 2: the country those places have more space and resources. People

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Speaker 2: don't like it whenever it sends a political statement, but

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Speaker 2: on his face they're very much okay. Kind of what's

791
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Speaker 2: spreading migrants to places which don't have to bear the brunt?

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Speaker 2: For example, I know it was a big thing with

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Speaker 2: Martha's Vineyard, and they're like, yeah, you're dealing in you

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Speaker 2: know with what we deal with literally in like thirty

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Speaker 2: minutes in l Pass or in Ego Pass or any

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Speaker 2: of these other places.

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Speaker 3: They say, in.

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Speaker 2: General, what you find is a more nuanced view of

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Speaker 2: the migrant immigration situation than I think is genuinely presented

800
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Speaker 2: by the media.

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Speaker 3: So what do you make of it?

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Speaker 5: I mean, one of the big concerns that the left

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Speaker 5: has been forecasting over the last decade is what they

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Speaker 5: call eco fascism, that there's going to be so much

805
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Speaker 5: popular resentment toward migrants driven by climate collapse around the

806
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Speaker 5: World war in climate collapse, that you're going to have

807
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Speaker 5: countries in the developed world, you know, the haves are

808
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Speaker 5: going to keep out the have nots, and that you're

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Speaker 5: not going to just see demagogues pushing for walls in

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Speaker 5: the United States. You're going to see that, you know,

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Speaker 5: all over the western and developed world outside of the

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Speaker 5: Western world. And so I think that this is a

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Speaker 5: step in that direction. I think you're going to see this.

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Speaker 5: I think this is going to be where popular opinion is.

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Speaker 5: At the same time, we're facing labor shortages and we're

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Speaker 5: facing you know, birthright issues that are going to make

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Speaker 5: it so that ironically, the countries that are able to

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Speaker 5: bring in the most young people who are able to

819
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Speaker 5: work are going to be the ones that are going

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Speaker 5: to grow in the twenty first century.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, this is where I'm not so sure.

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Speaker 2: I always this is this is a quasi libertarian argument

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Speaker 2: that I hear sometimes and it's like, well, what's wrong

824
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Speaker 2: with higher wages? I think higher wages are great. I mean,

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Speaker 2: there's no real you know, labor shortage has frankly been

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Speaker 2: one of the best thing that's ever happened for the

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Speaker 2: American working class. There's a lot of dispute on this,

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Speaker 2: but there is some evidence, some evidence, is what I'm saying,

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Speaker 2: And again it is in dispute. I should be honest

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Speaker 2: that part of the Trump administrations at least reduction in

831
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Speaker 2: overall migration had an impact on the overall wage inflator

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Speaker 2: had an impact on overall wage increase from twenty seventeen

833
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Speaker 2: till twenty twenty. Obviously, twenty twenty things got a little

834
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Speaker 2: bit wonky posts that I don't think you can say

835
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Speaker 2: that the current wage conditions really had anything to do

836
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Speaker 2: with immigration or not, just because of the madness of

837
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Speaker 2: what happened with COVID and everything. But from before that period, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think there's good evidence on the birth rate question

839
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Speaker 2: that one is where and look, I think all of

840
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Speaker 2: this presumes that this is almost puts like immigration on

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Speaker 2: the same footing as legal versus illegal, and I think

842
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Speaker 2: that that is where some people like me and I

843
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Speaker 2: have the most objection. It's like, look, I think it's

844
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Speaker 2: not necessarily the best position, but I think it's a

845
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Speaker 2: defensible one to say, oh, we need more immigrants in

846
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Speaker 2: order to take jobs, et cetera. It's like, okay, well,

847
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Speaker 2: then you need to come here in an orderly process,

848
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Speaker 2: like it can't be. For example, you know, we had

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Speaker 2: thirty thousand slots for asylum that people are allowed to

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Speaker 2: apply for. We had one point five million people apply

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Speaker 2: for that. That's insane, you know. And then here's the

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Speaker 2: other thing. It's not fair to them either. These are

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Speaker 2: people don't even speak any English, paying some coyote to

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Speaker 2: drag them across Mexico, many of them being raped and

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Speaker 2: killed in the process.

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Speaker 3: Then they get.

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Speaker 2: Here because they think they can just like waltz across

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Speaker 2: and go to work, and it's like, oh, it turns

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Speaker 2: out you're living in a shantytown in Mexico for the

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Speaker 2: next two years. So I mean, that's not a good

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Speaker 2: situation for them. For child, for a single mom or

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Speaker 2: single adult male either. I mean these none of these

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Speaker 2: things are good I think right now for.

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Speaker 5: Anyone, right right, we say you got to go through

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Speaker 5: an orderly process, but our system is incapable, it's insane

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Speaker 5: or uninterested in producing an orderly process for them to

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Speaker 5: go through. And so so you're seeing states start to

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Speaker 5: respond to. Governor Ron DeSantis earlier in May sign into

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Speaker 5: law in new immigration bill which by July is going

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Speaker 5: to require all companies to use Everify, which is basically

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Speaker 5: requires you to run your employees through the federal system.

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Speaker 5: If you don't, the fines are extraordinarily largely I think

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Speaker 5: ten thousand dollars a pop or something like that.

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Speaker 4: Also requires hospitals to take kind of the.

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Speaker 5: Immigration information from patients who come in, and other ways

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Speaker 5: to tighten the screws around the immigrant population. Here's how

877
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 5: some of the local reporting has been unfolding even before

878
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 5: it has gone into actual official effect.

879
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 9: But a new immigration crackdown by the Florida legislature and

880
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 9: Governor Ronda Santis is.

881
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 10: Now making it harder for them to live and work

882
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 10: in the States.

883
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,240
Speaker 11: And even though the policy is not yet an effect,

884
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 11: CBS do's Miami's Garberto Arzola shows us how it has

885
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:43,399
Speaker 11: already shaken the undocumented community along with employers they work for.

886
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 9: Our recent survey from the Migration Policy Institute says they're

887
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 9: around eight hundred thousand undocumented immigrants right here in the

888
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 9: state of Florida, many taking jobs like construction and agriculture,

889
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 9: but that may not be for long. Around South Florida,

890
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 9: labor workers are becoming more and more scarce by the day.

891
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 3: According to some employees.

892
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 12: People aren't showing up to work because they're scared of

893
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 12: being deported.

894
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,760
Speaker 9: And critics say Senate Bill seventeen eighteen.

895
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 4: Is to blame none of the desk, mister speaker.

896
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 9: According to the bill, businesses could face up to a

897
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:25,800
Speaker 9: ten thousand dollars fine per undocumented employee, and the state

898
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 9: could revoke their license For construction workers like Jose, he says,

899
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 9: half of the workers are already gone.

900
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 5: Many workers are leaving thinking they're going to be deported,

901
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 5: so they're going to other states.

902
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 4: And if you notice, that was TikTok, So this is

903
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 4: a this is a big thing on top. It's a

904
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 4: local news.

905
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 5: Report that went on a TikTok and these types of

906
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 5: reports have been going viral and it's creating an impression.

907
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 4: That might not quite yet be justified by the numbers.

908
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 5: But I wanted to play one more just so people

909
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 5: have a sense of what's going around.

910
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 4: TikTok.

911
00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 5: Here's here's one more that's really been making the rounds

912
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:01,320
Speaker 5: roll this side.

913
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 12: Hello everyone, this is an update. Today is Tuesday, May

914
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 12: the sixteenth. It's not Sunday. There is my truck with

915
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 12: grass and this is a construction site here in Davenport, Florida,

916
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 12: twenty miles from Orlando.

917
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:20,359
Speaker 4: And this is all you see.

918
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 12: It's nine am. Usually at this time. There's a lot

919
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 12: of people here working, all kinds of contractors doing their job.

920
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:35,240
Speaker 12: Roofs of course, a lot of noise and loud Mexican music.

921
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 12: This is what you hear today. So it is happening.

922
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 12: It is not fake. It is not a joke. You

923
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 12: see one contractor there. This is all thanks to run the.

924
00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 2: Santas anecdotal obviously, but we don't know if it's fully there.

925
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 2: That said, it's probably not a surprise, I mean, because

926
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 2: this was long predicted. I mean, looking here at Tampa

927
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 2: Bay Business Journal, they have a headline that just came

928
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 2: out literally yesterday saying immigration law could significantly impact Florida's

929
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 2: construction and agriculture industries. Here Again, though, I'm just like, Okay, yeah,

930
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 2: that's true. It is true that enforcing the law will

931
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 2: have consequences. That doesn't mean that it's a bad idea.

932
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 2: It just means like, okay, well, then we need a

933
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 2: process through which we can rectify this mismatch in the

934
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:35,879
Speaker 2: way that apparently all construction and agriculture operates with under

935
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 2: the table illegal labor and we're all just supposed to

936
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 2: be cool with that. That does just doesn't seem like

937
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 2: a good status quo. And look, I'm not saying it

938
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 2: doesn't have consequences, but you know, maybe consequences are worth it.

939
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:50,879
Speaker 5: Well, we have a Yeah, people have a couple significant

940
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 5: complaints about life in America right now. One is that

941
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 5: housing is too expensive, very true. Two is that food

942
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 5: is too expensive.

943
00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 3: All true.

944
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 4: This policy, we'll.

945
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Speaker 5: Drive up the prices of all of those things substantially.

946
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 4: I think.

947
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 5: I think the big mistake we made came actually ironically,

948
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 5: when we hardened the border and made it much more

949
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,840
Speaker 5: difficult for seasonal laborers to go back and forth between

950
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 5: Mexico and Central America and the United States. Because we

951
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 5: had this incorrect sense that people who were coming here

952
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 5: to work the fields, to work construction jobs and sending

953
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 5: money home didn't want to live in Mexico or El

954
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 5: Salvador in Honduras.

955
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 4: They really really wanted to live in the United States.

956
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 5: And it's kind of a chauvinistic, almost quaint cute like

957
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 5: the idea that really, our country is so awesome that

958
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:40,479
Speaker 5: everybody wants to move here. No, in fact, they wanted

959
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 5: to come here, work really really hard for four months,

960
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 5: send money back home, relaxed back at home with their families,

961
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 5: you know, do work back there, and then come back

962
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:54,359
Speaker 5: make American money again, you know, send money back home

963
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 5: and keep that going. We did that. That worked for

964
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 5: like one hundred years or something like that, and then

965
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 5: we said, no, not doing that anymore. So now all

966
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 5: of a sudden you had all of these migrant labors

967
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 5: who are now trapped north of the wall, north of

968
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 5: this hard, hard border. So then they send their they

969
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 5: send for their families to come up with them too,

970
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 5: and you start then then they start building roots here

971
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 5: in the country. And so we've always had a system where,

972
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 5: you know, we don't pay fifteen to thirty dollars an

973
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 5: hour for fruit pickers like.

974
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 2: That, but I think we should and I look if

975
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 2: strawberries cost more, like they cost more, and I think

976
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 2: that's kind of where I'm getting at. It's like, I

977
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 2: just feel like some of this is almost reverse chauvinism,

978
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 2: as in the idea is that strawberries can only be

979
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 2: picked by people who don't aren't from here.

980
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:43,399
Speaker 3: It's like, well, wait, why not. I mean people will

981
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 3: do anything for the right wage. It's just that the

982
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 3: wage is.

983
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 5: Low and the second, but we have a system that

984
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 5: the second that wages start to rise, our system, our

985
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 5: our fed chair whoever it is, and whatever party is

986
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 5: going to watch it. Like, you know what, we have

987
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 5: too many people working. We need to push wages back down.

988
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:02,879
Speaker 5: So we have built a system in which wages can't

989
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 5: go up. And so the only thing you can do

990
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 5: is then allow people to do labor arbitrage, where you know,

991
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 5: the amount of money that they're making in the field

992
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 5: isn't a lot if they're going to live full time

993
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 5: in Florida, but would also but it would allow them

994
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 5: to actually have a nice life and send enough money

995
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 5: back to Guatemala.

996
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 2: No defense here of the Federal Reserve or I'm more

997
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:26,399
Speaker 2: saying like you have got look, something has got to give.

998
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 3: In my opinion, i'd rather the FED give and not you.

999
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 2: Know, US immigration law, where you actually effectively have a

1000
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 2: complete lawless system and we have no idea how many

1001
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 2: people are even here in the US illegally literally none,

1002
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 2: because it's no proper census. And then yet somehow we

1003
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 2: do have a census, and yet they also count. Whenever

1004
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 2: it comes to the electoral college. Some would go and

1005
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 2: riddle me even though they can't vote, Riddle me that one.

1006
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 2: I still have never exactly gotten in my head around that,

1007
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 2: and I think that generally comes. And look, you know,

1008
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 2: I hate bringing personal stuff into this, but you know,

1009
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,800
Speaker 2: it costs my parents thousands of dollars to become citizens

1010
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 2: of this country. It's a pain in the ass to

1011
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 2: go through the green car process. You can't just waltz

1012
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 2: into any other country on Earth and just say, you

1013
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 2: know what, I'm staying here, I want to go to work,

1014
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 2: and you know, and you can't do anything to me.

1015
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 2: Try doing that in literally anywhere else, and they will,

1016
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 2: they will laugh at you and throw you out almost immediately.

1017
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 3: Do I think we should be above that?

1018
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, But that doesn't mean that we have to have

1019
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 2: such a permissive system as.

1020
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 3: What we have right now.

1021
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 2: I have nothing but empathy and compassion for people who

1022
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 2: want to come here. Obviously everybody on earth, a lot

1023
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 2: of people on Earth at least want to come to

1024
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 2: the United States. But that also doesn't mean you have

1025
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 2: a right to do it based on your terms. It's

1026
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 2: supposed to be a mutually beneficial transaction, not something where

1027
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 2: it's just up to one person. And you know, I

1028
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 2: guess you know of what populous itself doesn't get a

1029
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 2: real vote, And I think that's where some of the

1030
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 2: what you referenced earlier, that is where the tougher mindset

1031
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 2: comes from. You're like, hey, hold on, They're like, this

1032
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 2: is not fair. And I think that's that's what's reflected

1033
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 2: I think in the polling line.

1034
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 5: And I guess who's going to do who's going to

1035
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 5: do these jobs?

1036
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,319
Speaker 4: I mean, I just see no.

1037
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 2: Reason why Americans got I mean, listen, I mean if

1038
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 2: they were paying, if I was younger and I came

1039
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:14,799
Speaker 2: from a different background, and if it was eighteen dollars

1040
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 2: an hour, like maybe I would do it, you know,

1041
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 2: or maybe a lot a lot of Americans would do it,

1042
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 2: like there's a lot of there's no reason why American

1043
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 2: citizens can't do these jobs.

1044
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 3: It's just a lot of them don't want to because

1045
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:24,359
Speaker 3: then we're cheap.

1046
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 5: Then strawberries and orange juice just become luxury items for

1047
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 5: the super rich.

1048
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 2: And I agree that that doesn't necessarily mean. I mean, listen, eggs,

1049
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 2: for example, have not gone up in priced since nineteen seventy.

1050
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 2: You want to know why, and it's because of an

1051
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 2: aggressive government subsidy program.

1052
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:38,839
Speaker 3: Well, I see no reason why.

1053
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,240
Speaker 2: Recently when we had to kill a build, well we had,

1054
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 2: we had crazy egg inflation.

1055
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 3: We're actually below overall inflation.

1056
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:48,359
Speaker 2: Fun update for everybody, but overall, in the aggregate, egg

1057
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 2: prices have not risen for a long period. Why because

1058
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 2: we just decided to society. We're like, yeah, you know what,

1059
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 2: we're just not going to So I don't know why

1060
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 2: you don't necessarily can't do the same thing for other products.

1061
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 2: Although you know that's the big government part of me.

1062
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 5: Now you're talking if you want massive government subsidies to

1063
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 5: lift low income people up into a middle class.

1064
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 3: I've always wanted that. That's all I've ever advocated for

1065
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 3: on the show.

1066
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 2: Works for me, Let's go to the next one. Here

1067
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 2: Tim Scott throwing his hand in the ring. We put

1068
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 2: together a compilation of his pitch. While he thinks he

1069
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 2: can be the guess the new Reagan in this race

1070
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 2: against Donald Trump.

1071
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:30,320
Speaker 3: Here's what he had to say, Oh.

1072
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 13: Nor Charleston, And for those of you who wonder if

1073
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 13: it's possible for a broken kid and a broken home

1074
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 13: to rise beyond their circumstances, the answer is yes. And

1075
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 13: our nation our standing at a time.

1076
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 14: For choosing victimhood or victory. Victimhood or victory victimhood or victory,

1077
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,240
Speaker 14: grievance or greatness.

1078
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:24,839
Speaker 13: I choose freedom and hope and opportunity.

1079
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 6: Will you choose it with me?

1080
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:35,720
Speaker 15: Will you join me as messengers of hope, as missionaries

1081
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 15: to believe that the strength of our ideas can change

1082
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:44,280
Speaker 15: our nation again?

1083
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 14: I will.

1084
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 15: Let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go.

1085
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 4: Certainly something is he running for vice president?

1086
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 6: There?

1087
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 4: What's your read?

1088
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,479
Speaker 2: I think he's genuinely running for president. So I don't

1089
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 2: know if a lot of people understand this, But people

1090
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 2: who are in the Senate love Tim Scott. They love

1091
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 2: this guy personally.

1092
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 3: I don't get it.

1093
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 2: But John Thune the number two Republican in the GOP caucus.

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Speaker 2: He spoke at the introduction for Tim Scott, endorsed him.

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00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:22,799
Speaker 2: A lot of others fellow senators really want him to run.

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00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 2: On a personal level. He's built up a lot of

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00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 2: relationships with them. But honestly, I think he believes it.

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Speaker 2: And here's the thing. It only takes maybe one billionaire,

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00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:35,800
Speaker 2: maybe named Larry Allison to underrate your entire campaign. For

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00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 2: where the guy who's worth like what is he worth today?

1101
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:40,720
Speaker 2: Like ninety billion or something like that, the founder of Oracle.

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00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,240
Speaker 2: Here's the other thing. Trump himself is welcoming Tim Scott

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00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 2: into the race. Put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 2: Trump says, good luck to Senator Tim Scott entering the

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00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:51,759
Speaker 2: Republican presidential race. It is rapidly loading up with lots

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00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 2: of people. Tim is a big step up from Ron

1107
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 2: to sanctimonious, who is totally unelectable. I got opportunity zones

1108
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 2: done with Tim, a big deal that has been highly successful.

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00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 3: Good luck Tim.

1110
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 2: Here's the thing everyone was trying to understand, like, why

1111
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 2: is Trump not attacking Tim Scotty attacks Roun DeSantis. It's

1112
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 2: obvious Ryan, because he knows Tim Scott is not a

1113
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 2: threat to him, and DeSantis actually is. Thus, the more

1114
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 2: people who jump in the race, the better off he is.

1115
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 2: He even alludes to it. It is rapidly loading up

1116
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 2: with lots of people. He's not an idiot.

1117
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 3: He knows that. That's why he won in twenty sixteen.

1118
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 2: And guess what they're proving him right, Tim Scott's in

1119
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 2: the race, Chris Christie's want to throw his hat in

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00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 2: the ring. Chris Sinunu, the governor of North Dakota, will

1121
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:39,359
Speaker 2: save you the next one. Glenn youngin plot twist, will

1122
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:41,720
Speaker 2: do a whole block on that in a second, also

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00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 2: thinks that he wants to throw his hat there in

1124
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 2: the ring. And you know, look, I gotta be honest here,

1125
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 2: this down market Reagan pitch from the nineteen eighties, It's like,

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00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 2: who is this for?

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00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 3: I get why stan At.

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00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 2: GOP voters wanted, but how can you look at the

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00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:58,720
Speaker 2: politics of Donald Trump and his popularity with the GOP

1130
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:02,399
Speaker 2: base and think that's what people want right now?

1131
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 3: Even DeSantis, what do we just do.

1132
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 2: A whole block on immigrates one of the strictest immigration

1133
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:08,240
Speaker 2: laws in the country.

1134
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 3: Why Because he knows that's what GOP voters want.

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00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 2: This comes from a place of being on the back foot,

1136
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 2: of feeling like we got to take something like that's

1137
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 2: not the forward message that that people are want.

1138
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 3: I mean, it didn't win in twenty sixteen, and.

1139
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:25,400
Speaker 2: It's not nineteen, you know, nineteen seventy nine right now,

1140
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:26,399
Speaker 2: It's a very different time.

1141
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 5: And I think Tim Scott there is doing a bit

1142
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 5: of a kind of racial politics bank shot. So what

1143
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 5: I what I hear from that is he's telling Republican

1144
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 5: voters that a you are none of you are racist

1145
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 5: or bigoted because you're all supporting me. And you know,

1146
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 5: you saw Herman Caine rising in what twenty twelve, nine

1147
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:52,280
Speaker 5: ninety nine, like yeah, in ways that were very explicit

1148
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 5: where people are very explicit in their in their support

1149
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:58,240
Speaker 5: from But then secondly, look at the rhetoric.

1150
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:04,840
Speaker 4: That he used, vic versus victory, victimhood and then grievance.

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00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 2: See I read that as a shot is Trump. I'm

1152
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 2: surprised you read that as a shot at the left.

1153
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 2: I read I mean, it can be both, but I

1154
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 2: do think that Trump is locked into that.

1155
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 5: I read it as as playing into the kind of

1156
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 5: Trump supporter or Republican mindset that look, yes, slavery was bad,

1157
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:24,280
Speaker 5: Yes redlining was bad, but we had the civil rights

1158
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:28,280
Speaker 5: movement and everyone is equal now in the United States.

1159
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 5: Stop playing victim and stop just leading with your grievances.

1160
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:34,880
Speaker 5: Let's be more optimistic, let's look, let's look for opportunities.

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00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:38,279
Speaker 3: I guess when you put it that way, I thought that.

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00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 5: That was kind of how he was coding himself. But

1163
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 5: I feel like it's a much more of a twenty

1164
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 5: twelve message.

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00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 4: Yes, and that's than a twenty twenty four right.

1166
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm totally with you. I think that I will

1167
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 2: I would say it said. I read it as a

1168
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,720
Speaker 2: shot at Trump. At least that's how I saw the initial.

1169
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 4: Report and I could see that.

1170
00:55:57,080 --> 00:56:01,400
Speaker 5: But because the grievances, maybe it's double Yeah.

1171
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 2: It's a double entendre. Let's put this up there on

1172
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 2: the screen. It's important. As I noted before, some of

1173
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 2: the people who were spotted at the VIP section, one

1174
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:12,919
Speaker 2: of them Mark Sanford, uh, which is a yeah appellation trail,

1175
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 2: Mark John Thune, as I alluded to, and billionaire Larry Ellison,

1176
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:22,800
Speaker 2: the multi billionaire Republican donor who loves Tim Scott. Scott

1177
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 2: is like made in a lab to appeal to some

1178
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:26,879
Speaker 2: of these Republican voters who are like, we just want,

1179
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 2: you know, a really nice guy, like somebody who's not

1180
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 2: like Trump. And the problem is is that that's not

1181
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 2: what the voters want. And you know, even if you

1182
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:35,319
Speaker 2: saw the energy, I mean, there was not a whole

1183
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 2: lot of at least to me, you could Yeah, my

1184
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 2: personal observation, I was not seeing a lot of organic

1185
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 2: enthusiasm there. And he really kind of had to go

1186
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 2: the crowd into cheering, whereas Ryan. I'm not sure if

1187
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 2: you've been, but if you ever been to a Trump event,

1188
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 2: you don't have to go.

1189
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 3: Those people been doing anything all right, Like.

1190
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:54,760
Speaker 5: They're like, yeah, they've been tailgated, Yeah, they've.

1191
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:57,359
Speaker 2: Been tail And it's so hard to explain to people

1192
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 2: who haven't been to various different political events, but Trump

1193
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 2: events are something like literally it's like being at a concert,

1194
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 2: it's like being at a football game. You if you've

1195
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 2: covered politics professionally as you and I have, there is

1196
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 2: nothing else in all of politics like it. Some Bernie

1197
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:13,759
Speaker 2: rallies came close, I will give him that.

1198
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:14,320
Speaker 3: Bert.

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00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 2: Bernie also kind of became a bit of a lifestyle thing.

1200
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 2: But Trump and Bert like they are in another league

1201
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 2: compared to what I'm seeing at right.

1202
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 5: And the concert and analogy is a good one because

1203
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 5: you have a lot of people in the crowd who

1204
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 5: are hoping he'll play certain stuff.

1205
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 3: Yes, that's right, play the hits me.

1206
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's got his You know, you can't always get

1207
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 2: what you want. That he walks out or what walks

1208
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 2: away from.

1209
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 3: They love it.

1210
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 5: Then some of them then go to all of them,

1211
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 5: but then some of his rifts they want to hear

1212
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 5: those two.

1213
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 4: It's like, oh, is he is he going to do

1214
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 4: the toilet riffs? Right? That's a good point.

1215
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 2: Snake that one. I used to know the snake by heart.

1216
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 2: I can't say it anymore for those who don't know.

1217
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 2: It's a great old Trump is. Let's go to the

1218
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 2: next part here that you flagged Force Ryan and put

1219
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 2: it up there on the screen of Virginia Governor Glenny

1220
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:01,280
Speaker 2: Younkin is reconsidering his twenty two twenty four bid.

1221
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 16: Now.

1222
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 2: The reason why this is interesting is he had already

1223
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 2: ruled it out in April. Whenever he was asked whether

1224
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 2: he was going to run for president, he said, quote, listen,

1225
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 2: I didn't write a book. I'm not in Iowa, on

1226
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 2: New Hampshire or South Carolina. I am wholly focused on

1227
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 2: the Commonwealth of Virginia. However, apparently that has changed in

1228
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 2: the last few months. Why well, it's exactly what we

1229
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 2: covered yesterday. It's because DeSantis, apparently to youngin in too

1230
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 2: many others, is looking rockier, and Youngkin is thinking, Hey,

1231
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 2: why not me?

1232
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:30,479
Speaker 3: He says.

1233
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 2: Quote one of his top advisors told Axios he's reconsidering.

1234
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 3: He'd be in his own lane.

1235
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 2: He's not never Trump and he's not Trump lt a

1236
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 2: top Virginia GOP strategist, told Axios there are quote serious

1237
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:45,919
Speaker 2: discussions happening on re engaging in the presidential race.

1238
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 3: I did take.

1239
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 2: Notice, and that definitely Ryan after he dropped this like

1240
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 2: Morning in America type video on Twitter two days ago,

1241
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 2: and I was like, what are we doing here? You

1242
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 2: know this ain't about Virginia, and can you also explain

1243
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 2: the convoluted gubernatorial process in Virginia?

1244
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 3: Right, this is why you kind of would want to

1245
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 3: run for president.

1246
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 5: Right, you can be governor again, but not consecutively exactly.

1247
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 5: So he's out after this one term and so yeah,

1248
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 5: he's got to find something.

1249
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 4: Else to do or go back to Carlisle.

1250
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 5: And yeah, so I think that if you think about

1251
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 5: Ron De Santis as sort of like a quirk that

1252
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:25,439
Speaker 5: was keeping the kind of Champagne of the Republican primary.

1253
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 4: In the bottle.

1254
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 5: Without this, without his strength anymore, it's uncorked and everybody,

1255
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 5: everybody's coming out because now, like, we're not going to

1256
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 5: hold back for DeSantis anymore, because DeSantis seems kind of

1257
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:41,440
Speaker 5: blood in the water, which is a real quite a

1258
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 5: reflection because that if you think back to when he

1259
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 5: was saying he wasn't going to challenge Trump or De

1260
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 5: santas DeSantis was, he was doing better, doing much.

1261
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 3: Better, I mean, and look, a lot can change.

1262
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:55,120
Speaker 2: De Santa is literally not even in the race, and

1263
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 2: apparently we're writing his obituary, which you know, we have

1264
00:59:57,160 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 2: to be careful of, right, be like, look, he is

1265
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 2: certainly entering at a disadvantage, but you know, we've never

1266
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 2: seen him go up against Trump. At the same time, though,

1267
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 2: I view it in the same way that I look

1268
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 2: at the Tim Scott decision, which is, at the end

1269
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 2: of the day, Tim Scott entering the race is it's

1270
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 2: a zero sum game. He thinks I'm better than Ron DeSantis,

1271
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 2: I'm the guy who can go up against Nikki Haley

1272
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:21,520
Speaker 2: doing the same thing. I Vivike Ramaswami doing the same thing,

1273
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 2: Asa Hutchinson doing the same thing. And what do we

1274
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 2: learn from all of those people? At an individual level,

1275
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 2: all of them are doing the right thing. But on

1276
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 2: a macro level, if you really believe that Trump is

1277
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:36,320
Speaker 2: such so awful, then you're actually drawing votes away from

1278
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 2: Ron DeSantis. There's no question about it. You're just splitting

1279
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 2: the field and Younkin. Look, I don't think Youngkin would

1280
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:46,560
Speaker 2: ever place that high in a Republican primary, but four percent,

1281
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 2: five percent?

1282
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:48,240
Speaker 3: Why not?

1283
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 2: Also, I don't know people remember this, Virginia is a

1284
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 2: very important Super Tuesday state and of which Marco Rubio

1285
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 2: won last time. I believe it was the only state

1286
01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:00,400
Speaker 2: that even won in twenty sixteen. Well, they've got a

1287
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:03,400
Speaker 2: decent amount of delegates. So now you just robbed Desanta's

1288
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 2: of a headline probably or maybe reduced his headline that

1289
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:09,440
Speaker 2: he would have gotten otherwise in a sweeping victory. So

1290
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:14,080
Speaker 2: again pointed this out yesterday. Obama is the reason that

1291
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 2: the Klobachar and Budaj edge dropped out in twenty twenty. Right,

1292
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:21,080
Speaker 2: But the GOP does not have that same forcing function

1293
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 2: for somebody to come in and be like, hey man,

1294
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:25,200
Speaker 2: you had your chance, it's time to go.

1295
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:28,440
Speaker 3: Nobody's doing that. No, RNC has no credibility.

1296
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:30,920
Speaker 2: And Trump himself he wants as many people in there

1297
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 2: as possible, and it looks like he's getting his wish right.

1298
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 5: And one thing that was keeping people out was the

1299
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:39,920
Speaker 5: nervousness that Trump was going to turn them toxic, right

1300
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 5: like he did the Rubio Yes, or to Christie it's

1301
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:43,360
Speaker 5: to some degree.

1302
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:44,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1303
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 5: And so for him to welcome Tim Scott and tells

1304
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:49,200
Speaker 5: other candidates come on in and.

1305
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:52,720
Speaker 4: I bask in my love, that's right. I only hate

1306
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:54,840
Speaker 4: Ron de sanctimonious, not you. You're fine.

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Speaker 3: Yes, And look, I think it's a problem for Ron.

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Speaker 2: I think it's a big The biggest loser in all

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01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:05,280
Speaker 2: of this is Ron DeSantis, especially if Young Cain comes in,

1310
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:08,560
Speaker 2: because what do we just point out? Young Kin not

1311
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:10,600
Speaker 2: only could draw from him politically more important, he could

1312
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 2: draw him from the money like he has. You know,

1313
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 2: not only is he personally wealthy, but he knows a

1314
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 2: lot of these traditional GOP donors. Northern Virginia is like

1315
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:22,280
Speaker 2: the hotbed of you know GOP consultants number one too,

1316
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:24,840
Speaker 2: literally used to work for the Carlisle Group of private

1317
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 2: equity defense contractors and all that. So he would have

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01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:30,640
Speaker 2: money well enough to draw stay in the race, and

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01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 2: he would have enough money to stay throughout the time

1320
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:36,600
Speaker 2: period and also draw money away that would otherwise go

1321
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 2: to Ron DeSantis for donors who otherwise would not want

1322
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 2: Trump to run. So overall this would be a huge

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01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:43,600
Speaker 2: blow to DeSantis.

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01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:45,520
Speaker 3: For Youngkin himself, I'm not sure.

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01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:47,440
Speaker 2: I'm not sure what he has to lose by running, actually,

1326
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:50,160
Speaker 2: since he can't be governor anyways, so he's in a

1327
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 2: tougher spot than most.

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01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 3: Let's go, oh if you want.

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Speaker 4: We got a new dispatch from the de I Chronicles.

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Speaker 2: Right, that's right, we have our favorite dispatch from the

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01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:01,240
Speaker 2: DEI Chronicles. And what's happening here? I just I love this.

1332
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:03,560
Speaker 2: It's everything to me. Put this up there on the screen.

1333
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:09,520
Speaker 2: Uber has now put its Asian diversity chief on leave

1334
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:14,080
Speaker 2: after employees, mostly led by some black employee groups, complained

1335
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:18,400
Speaker 2: about sessions called Don't Call Me Karen that were intended

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01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:22,640
Speaker 2: to explore the American white woman experience. So she was

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01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:26,520
Speaker 2: put on leave after black employee or I should not

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01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:30,240
Speaker 2: say black employees. Some black employee groups, which maybe represent

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01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:33,920
Speaker 2: some portion of black employees at Uber, complained to management

1340
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:37,280
Speaker 2: that they felt like they were being lectured about the

1341
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:40,920
Speaker 2: American white woman experience and that it was inappropriate for

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01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:44,800
Speaker 2: that to be included because they did not view Karen

1343
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:48,960
Speaker 2: as a slur. Now, I would not put that in

1344
01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:54,080
Speaker 2: a racial slur category. But if the overall, if the

1345
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:58,520
Speaker 2: overall ethos of Uber is we don't judge people by

1346
01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:01,360
Speaker 2: the color of their skin, and we want all employees

1347
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:05,160
Speaker 2: to be aware of the personal, individual struggles that each

1348
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 2: individual human being is outside of their race, then don't

1349
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:14,080
Speaker 2: call me Karen Session seems perfectly appropriate and fine, now,

1350
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:17,480
Speaker 2: especially given you the amount of sixteen nineteen nonsenses most

1351
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:23,080
Speaker 2: of these companies force upon their employees on a weekly basis.

1352
01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:25,560
Speaker 2: So one, you know, don't call me Karen Session though,

1353
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:28,960
Speaker 2: was apparently though enough Ryan to trigger some of these

1354
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:32,040
Speaker 2: groups and has now led to the capitulation by the

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01:04:32,080 --> 01:04:36,439
Speaker 2: CEO of Uber, who has put this lady on leave

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01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:39,840
Speaker 2: and is now ignited a crisis within the company and

1357
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:44,440
Speaker 2: is causing lots of consternation. It is also humorous to

1358
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 2: me because it shows you that the DEI in practicality

1359
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:56,280
Speaker 2: really means basically like whatever white fragility Robin diallonjello nonsense

1360
01:04:56,440 --> 01:05:00,000
Speaker 2: that it is, it doesn't actually mean real diversity, equity inclusion.

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01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:03,080
Speaker 2: And that's why I reject the term and the entire practice,

1362
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:05,000
Speaker 2: and I think it's a complete grift in a farce.

1363
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:05,720
Speaker 3: What did you make of this?

1364
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:09,800
Speaker 5: The kind of funniest part of it was the way

1365
01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:14,120
Speaker 5: that the language was the same, going in both directions,

1366
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:15,520
Speaker 5: just with the shoes on the other foot.

1367
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:17,160
Speaker 4: You have this.

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01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:21,240
Speaker 5: So the DEI boss responded to the complaints by quote

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01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:25,240
Speaker 5: telling the women that while the conversation may have been uncomfortable,

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01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:28,600
Speaker 5: sometimes being pushed out of your own strategic ignorance is

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01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:33,200
Speaker 5: the right thing to do. That is exactly what DEI

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01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:39,680
Speaker 5: bosses say to white people who go through these sessions

1373
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:42,000
Speaker 5: and come out and say it's you made me feel

1374
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:45,360
Speaker 5: bad about being why And they say, look too bad.

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01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:46,720
Speaker 4: Got to be uncomforted. You have to be.

1376
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:50,520
Speaker 5: Uncomfort because in that discomfort is where you find your insights.

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01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:53,560
Speaker 2: Instead, all evidence says that in the discomfort you become

1378
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:56,240
Speaker 2: more racist, right right.

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01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:58,280
Speaker 5: Right, So I mean forget the actual evidence, but what

1380
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:00,720
Speaker 5: they say is that the discomfort is a good thing.

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01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:04,240
Speaker 5: So she used that same line back to these women

1382
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:07,080
Speaker 5: who are protesting, saying, sometimes being pushed out of your

1383
01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:09,000
Speaker 5: own strategic ignorance is the right thing to.

1384
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:11,880
Speaker 4: Do, okay, And that didn't work for her. That blew

1385
01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:13,320
Speaker 4: upright in her face.

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01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:15,040
Speaker 3: So they're not allowed.

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01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:17,720
Speaker 2: To be uncomfortable, but you have to be uncomfortable, got it,

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01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:19,800
Speaker 2: So it seems like discomfort.

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01:06:20,040 --> 01:06:23,240
Speaker 5: And then to go later one later, as they're applauding

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01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:25,440
Speaker 5: the fact that they got her suspended, one of the

1391
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:28,280
Speaker 5: women is like, this sounds a little bit too much

1392
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:31,560
Speaker 5: like what police do. Oh so there there was a

1393
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:37,000
Speaker 5: little bit of maybe the kind of regret at their victory. Yes,

1394
01:06:37,560 --> 01:06:41,440
Speaker 5: that it might have creeped into the carceral territory, because

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01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:45,800
Speaker 5: then you're reproducing the same abolition anti abolitionist tendencies that you.

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01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:47,040
Speaker 4: Are fighting against.

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Speaker 6: Got it.

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01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:52,080
Speaker 5: But separately, can we step back for a second and

1399
01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:57,160
Speaker 5: note that all of these managers and workers at uber

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01:06:57,800 --> 01:07:01,200
Speaker 5: are getting paid by the exploited labor.

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01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:03,240
Speaker 4: I was a mouse, Sadie Black and Brown. I was

1402
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:04,520
Speaker 4: about to say that which.

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01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:07,000
Speaker 5: Is their job is to figure out how to extract

1404
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:11,280
Speaker 5: as much money from struggling gig workers as possible so

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01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:14,360
Speaker 5: that they can then pay to have these sessions where

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01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 5: they accuse each other.

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01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:17,040
Speaker 3: That's the great irony of it all, isn't it?

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01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:19,600
Speaker 2: Is that all of that is built upon ten nine

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01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:23,240
Speaker 2: to nine contract labor of which they have spent and

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01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:27,360
Speaker 2: built a multi billion dollar business exploiting. Now maybe you're

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01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:30,080
Speaker 2: okay with that, but I would just say that when

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01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:32,080
Speaker 2: you look at the at the very basics on the

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01:07:32,120 --> 01:07:34,960
Speaker 2: both on the consumer level and on the worker level,

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01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:37,840
Speaker 2: we have gotten to a very bad place Because has

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Speaker 2: anyone taken an Uber lately? They're actually really expensive. They're

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01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:43,360
Speaker 2: just as expensive as cabs. So now ubers are just

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01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:46,320
Speaker 2: as expensive as cabs, except now the driver doesn't have

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01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:48,680
Speaker 2: any benefits. And it's like, yeah, I mean, look, I

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01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:52,280
Speaker 2: like the technology. It's nice and it's convenient. But somewhere

1420
01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:56,320
Speaker 2: in the happy middle, we disaggregated driver from benefits and

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01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:59,400
Speaker 2: we basically rolled up that benefit into a company stock

1422
01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:02,880
Speaker 2: called Uber, and that is what is paying for all

1423
01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:07,200
Speaker 2: of this nonsense happening when they're supposed to be doing work.

1424
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:10,959
Speaker 2: So it's this is a good view into what's real

1425
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:15,960
Speaker 2: exploitation being you know, a highly paid black executive at

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01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:18,519
Speaker 2: Uber having to sit through it. Don't call me Karen

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01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:24,400
Speaker 2: or somebody who loses their job has no opportunities except

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01:08:24,439 --> 01:08:27,400
Speaker 2: but to drive for Uber, and you know, just burns

1429
01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:29,800
Speaker 2: their car into the ground in terms of its depreciating

1430
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:32,720
Speaker 2: value while driving from two am to you know, the

1431
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:35,559
Speaker 2: two am to six am shift for drunk people.

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Speaker 3: Right, sounds pretty miserable.

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01:08:37,280 --> 01:08:39,240
Speaker 4: And absorbing all the risks.

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01:08:39,280 --> 01:08:41,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, like right that the people who are executives at

1435
01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:43,439
Speaker 5: Uber are not the ones who are going to get

1436
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:44,960
Speaker 5: vomit in the back of the.

1437
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:47,760
Speaker 2: Car and then be like, no, they only vomitated on

1438
01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:50,439
Speaker 2: half the car, so here's half the reimbursement or something

1439
01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:52,280
Speaker 2: like that. And look, yeah, sure there's some benefit or

1440
01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:54,040
Speaker 2: whatever to some people who want to drive Uber and

1441
01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:56,400
Speaker 2: all that, but you know, we have to still get

1442
01:08:56,439 --> 01:08:59,760
Speaker 2: to a better medium as a society about making sure

1443
01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:03,000
Speaker 2: that people who are not people are not taken advantage

1444
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:05,840
Speaker 2: of and don't have access to the very basics of

1445
01:09:06,320 --> 01:09:09,320
Speaker 2: benefits and are protected, you know, even from you know,

1446
01:09:09,320 --> 01:09:10,880
Speaker 2: they're the ones who have to buy the cars, maintain

1447
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:12,840
Speaker 2: the cars and all that, and it can be it's

1448
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:14,519
Speaker 2: a real issue, you know that I've seen for a

1449
01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:16,200
Speaker 2: lot of people and what is Uber.

1450
01:09:16,280 --> 01:09:20,000
Speaker 5: It's Google Maps with PayPal on it. The actual innovation

1451
01:09:20,360 --> 01:09:24,360
Speaker 5: of Uber is exploitation. They're just figuring out ways to

1452
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:28,320
Speaker 5: take all of the risk involved in the actual work

1453
01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:30,720
Speaker 5: right and put it put on them the work or

1454
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:32,719
Speaker 5: the contract or they don't want to call them an employee,

1455
01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:34,719
Speaker 5: and on a more metal and extract all the profits.

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01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:35,040
Speaker 3: One of the.

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01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:37,200
Speaker 2: Reasons why you know a session like don't call Me

1458
01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:39,400
Speaker 2: Karen may be valuable for people.

1459
01:09:39,280 --> 01:09:41,320
Speaker 3: Is what did we all just go through? Put this

1460
01:09:41,400 --> 01:09:42,160
Speaker 3: up there on the screen.

1461
01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:45,400
Speaker 2: This lady in New York City who was accused in

1462
01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:49,519
Speaker 2: a viral video of like stealing a city bike from

1463
01:09:50,240 --> 01:09:53,559
Speaker 2: a couple of black teenagers or young men who had

1464
01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:59,080
Speaker 2: surrounded her, was ridiculed and defamed really online called the

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01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:03,519
Speaker 2: New York City. Well, it turns out that records provided

1466
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:07,320
Speaker 2: to media outlets and to others show that she genuinely

1467
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:10,320
Speaker 2: did pay for the city bike in question at the

1468
01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:14,320
Speaker 2: center of this viral fight, and now is looking to

1469
01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:17,520
Speaker 2: actually sue some of the people who defamed her online

1470
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:21,160
Speaker 2: as some sort of racist, which is leading to ryan

1471
01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:25,000
Speaker 2: a bunch of deleted tweets across the Internet from people

1472
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:27,479
Speaker 2: like no, I never said that, and from media outlets

1473
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:31,639
Speaker 2: adding to substantial and large corrections as to what happened here.

1474
01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:33,320
Speaker 2: And you know this, every time I see one of

1475
01:10:33,320 --> 01:10:34,880
Speaker 2: these things, I think the same thing. It's like, yeah,

1476
01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:37,519
Speaker 2: you know, not a great look for either party. But

1477
01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:39,880
Speaker 2: I wasn't there. I have no idea what preceded it

1478
01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:42,639
Speaker 2: or came after. I'm gonna withhold judgment. And it turns out, yeah,

1479
01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:45,600
Speaker 2: that's exactly the right move. And so jumping on some

1480
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:48,360
Speaker 2: viral venue and immediately, you know, Karen, and all of

1481
01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:51,960
Speaker 2: that doesn't genuinely lead to the best results. You know,

1482
01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:55,120
Speaker 2: if anything, what have you underscored? For a lot of people,

1483
01:10:55,640 --> 01:10:59,680
Speaker 2: There probably are scenarios where people are not Probably they're

1484
01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:04,760
Speaker 2: definitely our scenarios where people falsely accused black youths of

1485
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:08,080
Speaker 2: committing crimes. And now though you have set up a

1486
01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:10,640
Speaker 2: situation where people who always want to disbelieve that are

1487
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:12,880
Speaker 2: because like, no, this is just like the NYC cam

1488
01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:17,160
Speaker 2: or vice versa, where every single time that you see

1489
01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:20,000
Speaker 2: somebody in this scenario, you're like, oh, well that person

1490
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:21,880
Speaker 2: is lying or you know, we want to try. And

1491
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:24,960
Speaker 2: we've gotten to the point now where the default whenever

1492
01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:28,160
Speaker 2: you see these videos is I'm gonna withhold judgment and

1493
01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:30,360
Speaker 2: I'm not going to jump to conclusions because we've been

1494
01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:33,679
Speaker 2: burned so many times on fakes, which was the exact

1495
01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:36,559
Speaker 2: point of the Don't call Me Karen session.

1496
01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:39,560
Speaker 5: And it reminds I think everybody a little bit of

1497
01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:43,360
Speaker 5: the Nicholas Sandman case, the little kid with the maga hat.

1498
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:46,040
Speaker 4: Yes who and the drums is one of the richest

1499
01:11:46,040 --> 01:11:47,160
Speaker 4: people in the country.

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01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:48,920
Speaker 3: Now because yeah, he's good for him.

1501
01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:51,720
Speaker 5: But one thing they both had in common, and I

1502
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:53,680
Speaker 5: don't say this in a diffamatory way. You watch the

1503
01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:55,400
Speaker 5: video and they both they both look like.

1504
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:59,080
Speaker 4: Punks in the video, right, what's happening here? Yeah? Like

1505
01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:01,320
Speaker 4: none of them, neither, neither of them looked good in

1506
01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:01,639
Speaker 4: the end.

1507
01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:03,880
Speaker 3: To me, I was just like, what are your odd situation? Yeah,

1508
01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:04,920
Speaker 3: to find yourself?

1509
01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:09,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, and the nurse the crying, and they're like,

1510
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:11,639
Speaker 4: she seems all yeah, seems.

1511
01:12:11,439 --> 01:12:14,080
Speaker 3: To me it seemed a bit historyonic, although apparently she's pregnant.

1512
01:12:14,120 --> 01:12:15,519
Speaker 3: You know, she's willing to.

1513
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:19,920
Speaker 5: Pregnant and just finished a twelve hour shift, Like, that's

1514
01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:21,479
Speaker 5: more more work than I've done in twenty years.

1515
01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:24,320
Speaker 4: Rre including never been pregnant. Yes, it's not doing it.

1516
01:12:24,280 --> 01:12:28,599
Speaker 5: Pregnant, so but so, and just to explain to people

1517
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:32,320
Speaker 5: how how this all unfolded. So the way that these

1518
01:12:32,360 --> 01:12:34,639
Speaker 5: city bikes work, you know, you you use them, everybody's

1519
01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:35,040
Speaker 5: used them.

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01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:37,720
Speaker 4: Probably you put your phone in there, you pay for

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01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:39,559
Speaker 4: it, it's yours, you unlock it.

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01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:44,240
Speaker 5: Apparently the kids like grabbed her bike or and kind

1523
01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:48,080
Speaker 5: of like nudged her until it locked again. She then

1524
01:12:48,280 --> 01:12:51,040
Speaker 5: like unlocked it a second time, pulled it out.

1525
01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:53,280
Speaker 4: And if she would have lost it to that.

1526
01:12:53,320 --> 01:12:54,800
Speaker 5: Kids, if she would have said, you know what, fine,

1527
01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:57,719
Speaker 5: you take it, she's liable for like twelve hundred dollars

1528
01:12:58,040 --> 01:12:59,800
Speaker 5: if the kids don't return that bike.

1529
01:13:00,280 --> 01:13:02,800
Speaker 4: And if you're the kids and you didn't sign one,

1530
01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:04,599
Speaker 4: just keep it at that point.

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01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:07,439
Speaker 5: And so what she was able to show through her

1532
01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:11,240
Speaker 5: lawyer was a receipt that she had it for two

1533
01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:14,080
Speaker 5: minutes and then ended the trip, and then a receipt

1534
01:13:14,160 --> 01:13:16,759
Speaker 5: again that she got it and took it home.

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01:13:16,680 --> 01:13:17,040
Speaker 6: Got it.

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01:13:17,160 --> 01:13:20,280
Speaker 5: And so that really fits with the story that it

1537
01:13:20,360 --> 01:13:23,840
Speaker 5: was hers, because that changes everything because now now these

1538
01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:26,040
Speaker 5: are this is these are people in an urban environment

1539
01:13:26,120 --> 01:13:29,599
Speaker 5: who are competing for scarce resources. She had it first,

1540
01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:32,080
Speaker 5: like those are the rules, Like she had at first,

1541
01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:33,599
Speaker 5: go get your go, get your own scooter.

1542
01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:36,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, I look, I think it's sad. I hope that

1543
01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:36,760
Speaker 3: you know.

1544
01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:39,640
Speaker 2: I think public confrontations of any kind a make me

1545
01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:40,560
Speaker 2: deeply uncomfortable.

1546
01:13:40,600 --> 01:13:43,360
Speaker 3: And b I do my absolute best to avoid them

1547
01:13:43,400 --> 01:13:44,240
Speaker 3: at all costs.

1548
01:13:44,240 --> 01:13:46,599
Speaker 2: And right as that was going to say, that would

1549
01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:49,240
Speaker 2: be my advice is and I would just walk away.

1550
01:13:49,320 --> 01:13:52,280
Speaker 3: You know, you really don't want it sucks, but it sucks.

1551
01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:53,160
Speaker 3: It sucks.

1552
01:13:53,160 --> 01:13:55,040
Speaker 2: I've been there, you know where you're just all you

1553
01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:57,559
Speaker 2: want to do is say something or whatever, and you're like,

1554
01:13:57,600 --> 01:13:59,160
Speaker 2: you know what this is. You know, all this is

1555
01:13:59,160 --> 01:14:01,480
Speaker 2: going to lead to is trouble. That's not a justification

1556
01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:05,000
Speaker 2: for the behavior. It's more on an individual love. Yeah.

1557
01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:10,519
Speaker 2: And uh, the meta takeaway is that the don't call

1558
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:12,640
Speaker 2: me Karen session seems.

1559
01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:14,200
Speaker 4: Perfectly via people. People needed it.

1560
01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:16,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, it turns out people did need it because.

1561
01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:17,880
Speaker 4: Strategy ignorance backfired here.

1562
01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:18,959
Speaker 3: There's major strategy.

1563
01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:20,400
Speaker 2: It turns out all of us do need to be

1564
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:24,360
Speaker 2: or instead of being uncomfortable and having this, we can

1565
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:28,920
Speaker 2: have more helpful societal wide lessons, which is, hey, why

1566
01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:31,679
Speaker 2: are we all talking about diversity, equity inclusion at UBER

1567
01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:34,160
Speaker 2: when we have a black workforce.

1568
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:34,720
Speaker 3: Which is struggling.

1569
01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:38,160
Speaker 2: Maybe we if we flip things on that end, it

1570
01:14:38,200 --> 01:14:39,120
Speaker 2: would be a little bit better.

1571
01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:41,000
Speaker 5: We could also be like, look, imagine if this is

1572
01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:44,800
Speaker 5: your mama, and like when you're on a train, you

1573
01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:47,080
Speaker 5: see a pregnant woman, you stand up, you give them

1574
01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:47,360
Speaker 5: a seat.

1575
01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:50,960
Speaker 3: Why you would hope So even if unfortunately people even

1576
01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:51,240
Speaker 3: if it.

1577
01:14:51,200 --> 01:14:55,400
Speaker 5: Is your scooter, Yeah, the pregnant nurse coming out, you

1578
01:14:55,400 --> 01:14:56,760
Speaker 5: know what, damn and thank you.

1579
01:14:56,720 --> 01:14:57,320
Speaker 4: For your service.

1580
01:14:58,040 --> 01:14:59,160
Speaker 3: I'm with you one hundred percent.

1581
01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:03,040
Speaker 4: Hi Stager, what are you looking at?

1582
01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:03,360
Speaker 3: Well?

1583
01:15:03,400 --> 01:15:05,720
Speaker 2: There's been a lot of media lying about Ukraine over

1584
01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:08,040
Speaker 2: the last few days, somehow trying to spin their defeat

1585
01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:10,320
Speaker 2: in Bachmann as some sort of real victory, trying to

1586
01:15:10,360 --> 01:15:12,479
Speaker 2: say giving them F sixteen's.

1587
01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:13,439
Speaker 3: No risks to the United States.

1588
01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:16,960
Speaker 2: But perhaps the most insane story that has received basically

1589
01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:20,400
Speaker 2: no scrutiny is a dishonest trick pulled by the Biden

1590
01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:24,320
Speaker 2: administration to send them even more weapons and illegally usurp

1591
01:15:24,400 --> 01:15:27,400
Speaker 2: the power of Congress. Let's dive in the news broke

1592
01:15:27,479 --> 01:15:30,040
Speaker 2: over the weekend. The Pentagon is claiming, with a straight face,

1593
01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:34,280
Speaker 2: it has suddenly discovered it accidentally overvalued the amount of

1594
01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:38,160
Speaker 2: aid sent to Ukraine. This miraculous discovery means that they

1595
01:15:38,160 --> 01:15:41,400
Speaker 2: can actually send three billion dollars more to Ukraine than

1596
01:15:41,479 --> 01:15:44,519
Speaker 2: previously thought. The way they achieved this was an illegal

1597
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:48,040
Speaker 2: accounting gimmick by claiming that they had accidentally priced weaponry

1598
01:15:48,120 --> 01:15:51,479
Speaker 2: sent from US stocks to Ukraine at too high a value. Now,

1599
01:15:51,479 --> 01:15:54,759
Speaker 2: how exactly did they accomplish that? According to their methods,

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01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:59,000
Speaker 2: they originally price all Ukraine aid based on the dollar

1601
01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:02,880
Speaker 2: value it would cost US taxpayers to replace it, which

1602
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:06,120
Speaker 2: you know, seems like the right definition when you pay

1603
01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:08,439
Speaker 2: for something and then you give it to somebody else.

1604
01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:12,360
Speaker 2: But the new definition instead price is the weapons not

1605
01:16:12,600 --> 01:16:16,920
Speaker 2: at the original price, but then depreciates those assets over time,

1606
01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:20,040
Speaker 2: as if this is some real estate or heavy equipment

1607
01:16:20,240 --> 01:16:23,160
Speaker 2: that you can sell in the future, and not literal guns,

1608
01:16:23,320 --> 01:16:26,599
Speaker 2: bullets and bombs. A more simple way of describing this

1609
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:29,720
Speaker 2: is bs. Of course, they have given themselves plenty of

1610
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:32,400
Speaker 2: breathing room. The Pentagon now says that three billion is

1611
01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:35,400
Speaker 2: just what they found so far. They told reporters in Congress,

1612
01:16:35,439 --> 01:16:38,240
Speaker 2: if they go back and depreciate all the weapons, they

1613
01:16:38,240 --> 01:16:39,679
Speaker 2: can probably find even more.

1614
01:16:40,080 --> 01:16:41,160
Speaker 3: It's just a coincidence.

1615
01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:43,800
Speaker 2: That because of the current political makeup of Congress that

1616
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:46,600
Speaker 2: no more aid can pass to Ukraine legally, and the

1617
01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:49,719
Speaker 2: Ukraine itself says that they're running out of bullets and AMMO. Further,

1618
01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:52,679
Speaker 2: it just so happened to come in May, just months

1619
01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:55,760
Speaker 2: before the projected expenditure of all USAID was likely to

1620
01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:58,840
Speaker 2: run out for Ukraine. So what is so disgusting about

1621
01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:01,640
Speaker 2: this is not just the pen goan's accounting trick, is

1622
01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:06,000
Speaker 2: that this is illegal. Congress decides the power of the purse.

1623
01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:09,000
Speaker 2: They have given the administration a lot of leeway, zero

1624
01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:11,559
Speaker 2: restrictions really on the type of eight. But even on this,

1625
01:17:11,640 --> 01:17:15,080
Speaker 2: the White House cannot stop listen to their ridiculous explanation

1626
01:17:15,320 --> 01:17:16,400
Speaker 2: when they are asked about it.

1627
01:17:16,720 --> 01:17:18,760
Speaker 17: There was this very bizarre admission from the Pentagon this

1628
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:22,240
Speaker 17: week of an accounting error that suggested that the US

1629
01:17:22,240 --> 01:17:24,680
Speaker 17: has at least three billion dollars that it didn't know

1630
01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:27,840
Speaker 17: it had that it can use for Ukraine aid. That's

1631
01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:30,040
Speaker 17: a hell of an accounting error and it provides a

1632
01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:30,599
Speaker 17: lot of.

1633
01:17:30,520 --> 01:17:32,960
Speaker 4: Fodder to critics of.

1634
01:17:33,200 --> 01:17:35,320
Speaker 17: Usaids the Ukraine and critics who say there's not enough

1635
01:17:35,320 --> 01:17:38,760
Speaker 17: oversight going on. Are you concerned about this accounting error.

1636
01:17:40,720 --> 01:17:41,519
Speaker 4: Well, one thing I just.

1637
01:17:41,479 --> 01:17:43,040
Speaker 18: Want to make clear that is not money that went

1638
01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:45,840
Speaker 18: out the door and disappeared. That is not a waste

1639
01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:46,880
Speaker 18: of that three billion dollars.

1640
01:17:47,040 --> 01:17:47,840
Speaker 4: It is simply a.

1641
01:17:47,720 --> 01:17:50,240
Speaker 18: Tallly of how much military equipment we have given them.

1642
01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:52,479
Speaker 18: And the way that the Pentagon was counting it was

1643
01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:55,679
Speaker 18: what's the replacement cost for the equipment we provide rather

1644
01:17:55,720 --> 01:17:57,680
Speaker 18: than just the actual cost of that equipment. Once you

1645
01:17:57,680 --> 01:18:00,200
Speaker 18: make that adjustment, it turns out we have and ational

1646
01:18:00,240 --> 01:18:03,559
Speaker 18: three billion dollars that we can spend to provide even

1647
01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:04,240
Speaker 18: more weapons.

1648
01:18:04,439 --> 01:18:06,600
Speaker 2: Yup, turns out that's all you gotta do. They're not

1649
01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:09,439
Speaker 2: even lying about it. They're so brazen about their illegal

1650
01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:12,360
Speaker 2: costerer convention. The reason this is nuts is because three

1651
01:18:12,479 --> 01:18:14,920
Speaker 2: billion out of the forty billion dollars in appropriate funds

1652
01:18:14,920 --> 01:18:18,080
Speaker 2: from military aid. Do the math, that's seven point five percent.

1653
01:18:18,320 --> 01:18:20,960
Speaker 2: So are we really saying the entire military budget is

1654
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:23,799
Speaker 2: so fudgy that you can make it look basically however

1655
01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:26,719
Speaker 2: you want plus or minus eight percent. If that's the case,

1656
01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:28,759
Speaker 2: why do we keep giving them so much damn money

1657
01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:30,519
Speaker 2: just make them inflate their own books?

1658
01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:32,040
Speaker 3: Also, how much should we.

1659
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:35,400
Speaker 2: Really even trust the Pentagon's accounting team. Seven months ago,

1660
01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:38,479
Speaker 2: they failed their fifth audit in a row where they

1661
01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:41,680
Speaker 2: weren't only able to account for thirty nine percent of

1662
01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:45,400
Speaker 2: three point five trillion dollars in assets under management. Not

1663
01:18:45,439 --> 01:18:48,559
Speaker 2: only that, after failing their fourth audit in twenty twenty one,

1664
01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:50,800
Speaker 2: they promised that they would do better, and it turns

1665
01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:53,639
Speaker 2: out they made zero progress in that audit at all.

1666
01:18:53,680 --> 01:18:55,800
Speaker 2: In one year, the same number of areas that they

1667
01:18:55,800 --> 01:18:58,400
Speaker 2: were unable to account for did not change whatsoever.

1668
01:18:58,479 --> 01:19:00,320
Speaker 3: And in one year period's a.

1669
01:19:00,240 --> 01:19:03,679
Speaker 2: Pentagon grules account for this you already know they pretend

1670
01:19:03,800 --> 01:19:06,519
Speaker 2: it literally doesn't exist. Let's just relive one of my

1671
01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:09,559
Speaker 2: favorite clips from John Stewart's confrontation with a number two

1672
01:19:09,560 --> 01:19:11,320
Speaker 2: official at the Pentagon.

1673
01:19:11,439 --> 01:19:12,880
Speaker 16: Doing like there is a lot of waste, fraud and

1674
01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:14,559
Speaker 16: abuse within assistance audits.

1675
01:19:14,720 --> 01:19:16,920
Speaker 10: Waste broad abuse are not the same thing, So let's

1676
01:19:17,280 --> 01:19:18,000
Speaker 10: decompose these.

1677
01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:19,160
Speaker 16: Please educate me on all.

1678
01:19:19,200 --> 01:19:21,360
Speaker 10: Sorry, So an audit is exactly what you just described,

1679
01:19:21,400 --> 01:19:23,759
Speaker 10: which is, do I know what was delivered to which place?

1680
01:19:24,200 --> 01:19:26,320
Speaker 10: The ability to pass an audit or in the fact

1681
01:19:26,320 --> 01:19:27,840
Speaker 10: that the det has not passed on it is not

1682
01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:31,320
Speaker 10: suggestive of waste frauden abuse. That is completely false right

1683
01:19:31,360 --> 01:19:34,880
Speaker 10: there now is a question of it's suggestive that we

1684
01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:37,720
Speaker 10: can't we don't have an accurate inventory that we can

1685
01:19:37,760 --> 01:19:41,400
Speaker 10: pull up of what we have where That is not

1686
01:19:41,439 --> 01:19:43,479
Speaker 10: the same as saying we can't do that because waste,

1687
01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:44,599
Speaker 10: frauden abuse has occurred.

1688
01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:48,040
Speaker 16: So in my world, yeah, that's waste.

1689
01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:49,479
Speaker 3: How is that waste?

1690
01:19:49,560 --> 01:19:51,400
Speaker 16: If I give you a billion dollars and you can't

1691
01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:54,120
Speaker 16: tell me what happened to it, that to me is wasteful.

1692
01:19:54,120 --> 01:19:56,720
Speaker 16: That that means you are not necessarily responsible. But if

1693
01:19:56,760 --> 01:19:59,160
Speaker 16: you can't tell me where it went, then what am

1694
01:19:59,160 --> 01:20:01,679
Speaker 16: I supposed to say? And when there has been reporting,

1695
01:20:01,680 --> 01:20:04,080
Speaker 16: I mean, this is not Look I'm not saying this

1696
01:20:04,120 --> 01:20:07,000
Speaker 16: is on you and that you cause this. But I

1697
01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:09,439
Speaker 16: think it's a tough argument to make that gos it

1698
01:20:10,240 --> 01:20:12,920
Speaker 16: an eight hundred and fifty billion dollar budget to an

1699
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:15,880
Speaker 16: organization that can't pass an audit and tell you where

1700
01:20:15,880 --> 01:20:19,479
Speaker 16: that money went. Like I think most people would consider

1701
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:22,000
Speaker 16: that somewhere in the realm of waste, fraud or abuse

1702
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:25,720
Speaker 16: because they would wonder why that money isn't well accounted for.

1703
01:20:26,360 --> 01:20:28,720
Speaker 2: Stewart goes on to blast her to her face for

1704
01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:31,960
Speaker 2: justifying corruption, but you get the point you really believe

1705
01:20:31,960 --> 01:20:34,679
Speaker 2: they're just doing their due diligence or are they cooking

1706
01:20:34,720 --> 01:20:37,240
Speaker 2: the books for Ukraine? Maybe you're okay with that in

1707
01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:39,600
Speaker 2: this case if you're one of those NAFO people, But

1708
01:20:39,720 --> 01:20:42,880
Speaker 2: ask yourself this, what about the next conflict or the

1709
01:20:42,920 --> 01:20:43,559
Speaker 2: one after that?

1710
01:20:43,880 --> 01:20:45,200
Speaker 3: What if you oppose that one?

1711
01:20:45,520 --> 01:20:48,080
Speaker 2: You want to set the continued global war on terror

1712
01:20:48,120 --> 01:20:50,360
Speaker 2: precedent where the office of the President can just do

1713
01:20:50,439 --> 01:20:52,479
Speaker 2: whatever they want whenever it comes to fighting wars in

1714
01:20:52,520 --> 01:20:54,840
Speaker 2: places that you did not even vote for. That is

1715
01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:57,360
Speaker 2: basically where we are right now with Ukraine, and given

1716
01:20:57,400 --> 01:20:59,519
Speaker 2: what we have covered this morning in terms of Ukraine's

1717
01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:02,760
Speaker 2: cross border activities, it's new F sixteens will soon make

1718
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:05,519
Speaker 2: their way there their recent loss of Bachmun, you can

1719
01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:08,599
Speaker 2: rest assured this is only the latest last ditch effort

1720
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:10,760
Speaker 2: to ship everything that is not nailed down to the

1721
01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:11,920
Speaker 2: floor over there.

1722
01:21:12,120 --> 01:21:12,880
Speaker 3: For those who are.

1723
01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:15,960
Speaker 2: Silent on this, I hope and I pray you live

1724
01:21:16,240 --> 01:21:19,200
Speaker 2: to see this same authority used by a president that

1725
01:21:19,320 --> 01:21:22,080
Speaker 2: you hate to prop up a conflict that you don't support,

1726
01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:24,920
Speaker 2: because that is how principles are supposed to work, and

1727
01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:27,320
Speaker 2: why you didn't violate them in the first place. I mean,

1728
01:21:27,320 --> 01:21:30,040
Speaker 2: it's just so obvious, Ryan, you know, it's basically there.

1729
01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:32,879
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1730
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1731
01:21:39,080 --> 01:21:40,120
Speaker 3: Ran what are you taking a look at?

1732
01:21:40,240 --> 01:21:43,120
Speaker 5: From the moment Joe Biden announces candidacy for president, the

1733
01:21:43,200 --> 01:21:46,080
Speaker 5: biggest risk the country faced was that he would wind

1734
01:21:46,160 --> 01:21:49,559
Speaker 5: up in high stakes negotiations with Republican congressional leaders and

1735
01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:53,320
Speaker 5: those Republicans would fleece him blind. Now, for months, Biden

1736
01:21:53,360 --> 01:21:56,160
Speaker 5: insisted that he wouldn't ever be in that room because

1737
01:21:56,200 --> 01:22:00,000
Speaker 5: he simply wasn't going to negotiate with Republicans overlifting the debts,

1738
01:22:00,840 --> 01:22:03,679
Speaker 5: except he also poured cold water on the fourteenth Amendment

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Speaker 5: and the Platinum Coin and all the other things which

1740
01:22:05,960 --> 01:22:09,439
Speaker 5: handed Republicans all of the leverage. Biden also had the

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01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:12,439
Speaker 5: chance to lift the debt ceiling when Democrats controlled Congress,

1742
01:22:12,760 --> 01:22:15,880
Speaker 5: and he didn't do so. This was a rare opportunity

1743
01:22:15,880 --> 01:22:19,160
Speaker 5: for Biden to actually deliver this line and mean.

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01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:21,960
Speaker 3: It, Senative, you can have my ins and how if

1745
01:22:21,960 --> 01:22:22,320
Speaker 3: you mike.

1746
01:22:24,120 --> 01:22:26,360
Speaker 4: My offer is dith nothing.

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01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:31,439
Speaker 5: Instead, Biden went into negotiations and also didn't make a

1748
01:22:31,479 --> 01:22:34,400
Speaker 5: serious offer of his own. He's made a few half

1749
01:22:34,439 --> 01:22:36,960
Speaker 5: hardened suggestions that a way to cut the deficit that

1750
01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:39,040
Speaker 5: would be better is to target hedge fund managers and

1751
01:22:39,080 --> 01:22:41,920
Speaker 5: the super rich, but when McCarthy objected, he just dropped it.

1752
01:22:42,520 --> 01:22:44,800
Speaker 5: So now he's negotiating the size of the cut and

1753
01:22:44,840 --> 01:22:48,360
Speaker 5: Democrats only hope is that Republicans can't get their own

1754
01:22:48,439 --> 01:22:50,880
Speaker 5: party together to agree on what they want. And they

1755
01:22:50,880 --> 01:22:52,680
Speaker 5: failed to seize the moment the same way they did

1756
01:22:52,720 --> 01:22:55,400
Speaker 5: back in twenty eleven. And all of this reminds me

1757
01:22:55,400 --> 01:22:58,479
Speaker 5: of the last time Biden as Vice President intervened in

1758
01:22:58,520 --> 01:23:02,760
Speaker 5: high stakes Capitol Hill negotiation. Afterwards, Harry Reid ordered the

1759
01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:06,479
Speaker 5: White House to never send him down Pennsylvania Avenue again.

1760
01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:08,400
Speaker 4: He did such a poor job.

1761
01:23:08,680 --> 01:23:11,240
Speaker 5: He got a worse deal out of Mitch McConnell than

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01:23:11,320 --> 01:23:15,560
Speaker 5: McConnell had already agreed to give Harry Reid. The circumstances

1763
01:23:15,560 --> 01:23:17,920
Speaker 5: were similar. I covered this moment in my last book,

1764
01:23:17,960 --> 01:23:21,800
Speaker 5: We've Got People, and this came at the end of

1765
01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:25,519
Speaker 5: the year twenty twelve, so Obama had just stumped Republican

1766
01:23:25,560 --> 01:23:27,760
Speaker 5: Mitt Romney at the polls. If you remember in a

1767
01:23:27,800 --> 01:23:31,960
Speaker 5: post Occupy Wall Street campaign that centered on economic inequality.

1768
01:23:32,320 --> 01:23:35,120
Speaker 5: Democrats picked up two seats in the Senate, expanded their

1769
01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:38,320
Speaker 5: majority to fifty three, adding Elizabeth Warren to their ranks.

1770
01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:42,040
Speaker 5: The Democrats won more House folks nationwide and picked up

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01:23:42,040 --> 01:23:44,760
Speaker 5: a net of eight seats. Republicans still held onto the

1772
01:23:44,800 --> 01:23:48,640
Speaker 5: House narrowly. Now, the Bush tax cuts were set to

1773
01:23:48,720 --> 01:23:51,439
Speaker 5: expire at the end of twenty twelve, creating what was

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01:23:51,479 --> 01:23:55,800
Speaker 5: called a fiscal cliff. If Congress did nothing, taxes would

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01:23:55,800 --> 01:23:59,040
Speaker 5: go up on everybody, but especially on the rich. Harry

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01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:01,200
Speaker 5: Reid told me in an inner for that book that

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01:24:01,280 --> 01:24:02,280
Speaker 5: going over the.

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01:24:02,160 --> 01:24:04,160
Speaker 4: Cliff was precisely his plan.

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01:24:04,320 --> 01:24:06,720
Speaker 5: Reid said, quote, I thought that would have been the

1780
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:09,519
Speaker 5: best thing to do, because the conversation would not have

1781
01:24:09,560 --> 01:24:12,479
Speaker 5: been about raising taxes, which it became. It would have

1782
01:24:12,520 --> 01:24:15,840
Speaker 5: been about lowering taxes. In other words, let all the

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01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:18,839
Speaker 5: rates go up and then bargain with Republicans to reduce

1784
01:24:18,920 --> 01:24:21,639
Speaker 5: taxes just for the middle class and the working poor.

1785
01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:26,000
Speaker 5: MINORITI leader Mitch McConnell similarly knew that the difficult position

1786
01:24:26,080 --> 01:24:28,120
Speaker 5: going over the cliff would put him in, and in

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01:24:28,160 --> 01:24:30,639
Speaker 5: talks with Reid, he agreed to let rates on people

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01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:32,920
Speaker 5: making more than two hundred and fifty thousand dollars per

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01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:36,240
Speaker 5: year go back up. McConnell had a strong sense that

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01:24:36,280 --> 01:24:38,720
Speaker 5: Reid intended to go over the cliff and put Republicans

1791
01:24:38,800 --> 01:24:43,160
Speaker 5: up against the wall. Reid felt like he had successfully.

1792
01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:43,880
Speaker 4: Pushed McConnell to the brink.

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01:24:44,160 --> 01:24:47,200
Speaker 5: So it was now Sunday, December thirty of twenty twelve,

1794
01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:50,400
Speaker 5: and Democrats only had to hold out until that Tuesday

1795
01:24:50,680 --> 01:24:54,200
Speaker 5: to find themselves in a dramatically improved political position, as

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01:24:54,240 --> 01:24:55,880
Speaker 5: the dawning of the new year would mean the tax

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01:24:55,960 --> 01:24:59,040
Speaker 5: cuts expired and automatically reverted to pre Bush levels. At

1798
01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:01,080
Speaker 5: that point, it would be Republicans who would be left

1799
01:25:01,120 --> 01:25:05,400
Speaker 5: pleading for those rate cuts. In desperation, Mitch McConnell reached

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01:25:05,400 --> 01:25:08,280
Speaker 5: out directly to Joe Biden, calling him on the phone

1801
01:25:08,320 --> 01:25:11,880
Speaker 5: and explaining that Reid was refusing to be reasonable. Over

1802
01:25:11,920 --> 01:25:14,759
Speaker 5: the course of the day, McConnell and Biden struck a deal,

1803
01:25:15,160 --> 01:25:18,920
Speaker 5: a form McConnell aide told me, Biden gave Republicans everything

1804
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:23,200
Speaker 5: they wanted in exchange for fixing the fiscal cliff problem.

1805
01:25:23,560 --> 01:25:26,639
Speaker 5: But just like today, the fiscal cliff problem was only

1806
01:25:26,680 --> 01:25:29,440
Speaker 5: a problem because Biden allowed it to be a problem.

1807
01:25:29,640 --> 01:25:32,840
Speaker 5: Harry Reid was happy to drive the car off the

1808
01:25:32,840 --> 01:25:35,360
Speaker 5: cliff and then fight it out amid the wreckage. In

1809
01:25:35,400 --> 01:25:38,040
Speaker 5: the same way, Biden could just ignore the debt ceiling,

1810
01:25:38,080 --> 01:25:41,040
Speaker 5: invoke the fourteenth Amendment, and dare John Roberts to then.

1811
01:25:41,080 --> 01:25:42,800
Speaker 4: Blow up the global economy.

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Speaker 5: On the morning of New Year's Eve, Reid was still

1813
01:25:45,920 --> 01:25:48,400
Speaker 5: feeling good about his position, ignorant of what Biden had

1814
01:25:48,400 --> 01:25:51,719
Speaker 5: given away. Then Mitch McConnell took to the Senate floor

1815
01:25:51,960 --> 01:25:54,439
Speaker 5: and announced that he'd been in talks with the Vice President.

1816
01:25:54,640 --> 01:25:57,160
Speaker 5: They were progressing well and he was hopeful that they'd

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01:25:57,200 --> 01:25:58,479
Speaker 5: have legislation.

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01:25:58,000 --> 01:25:59,240
Speaker 4: To move by the end of the day.

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01:26:00,040 --> 01:26:03,120
Speaker 5: As details of the deal began leaking out, Progressive Democratic

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01:26:03,160 --> 01:26:07,000
Speaker 5: senators were floored. A large group of them, including Bernie Sanders,

1821
01:26:07,120 --> 01:26:11,240
Speaker 5: Shared Brown, Jeff Merkley, Sheldon Whitehouse, Al Franken, and Tom

1822
01:26:11,280 --> 01:26:14,320
Speaker 5: Harkin of Iowa, stormed over to Harry Reid's office.

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01:26:14,600 --> 01:26:17,000
Speaker 4: The deal was awful, they told Reed, and it had

1824
01:26:17,040 --> 01:26:17,799
Speaker 4: to be stopped.

1825
01:26:18,360 --> 01:26:20,519
Speaker 5: Reid told them what had happened, that it was out

1826
01:26:20,560 --> 01:26:22,760
Speaker 5: of his hands, and then McConnell had gone around him

1827
01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:25,559
Speaker 5: directly to Biden. He said he was working on improving

1828
01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:28,320
Speaker 5: it and would be in touch throughout the day. Now,

1829
01:26:28,360 --> 01:26:30,320
Speaker 5: none of the senators had any business scheduled. It was

1830
01:26:30,360 --> 01:26:33,240
Speaker 5: New Year's Eve, after all, so Bernie Sanders invited them

1831
01:26:33,240 --> 01:26:36,000
Speaker 5: back to his office in the Dirkson Building. The Heart

1832
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:38,960
Speaker 5: Building has a popcorn machine, so our Harken asked his

1833
01:26:39,040 --> 01:26:41,839
Speaker 5: staff to bring some buy. The crew ended up spending

1834
01:26:41,840 --> 01:26:45,200
Speaker 5: several hours together in Sanders's office, thinking through potential strategies

1835
01:26:45,200 --> 01:26:48,280
Speaker 5: of opposition, waiting to hear from Reed, and chewing on

1836
01:26:48,320 --> 01:26:52,920
Speaker 5: popcorn instead. One senator's phone rang and it was Joe Biden,

1837
01:26:53,040 --> 01:26:55,479
Speaker 5: calling to sell the deal that he had cut. In

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01:26:55,560 --> 01:26:58,120
Speaker 5: classic Biden fashion, he offered up a ten to fifteen

1839
01:26:58,160 --> 01:27:01,760
Speaker 5: minutes soliloquy, a meander argument that largely boiled down to

1840
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:04,400
Speaker 5: you can trust me, I'm your friend, this is a

1841
01:27:04,439 --> 01:27:07,160
Speaker 5: good deal. The senator could barely get a word in

1842
01:27:07,200 --> 01:27:11,160
Speaker 5: before the conversation ended. Moments after he hung up, another

1843
01:27:11,200 --> 01:27:13,960
Speaker 5: cell phone rang and it was Biden again. Unaware that

1844
01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:16,439
Speaker 5: the group was altogether, Biden proceeded to call each of

1845
01:27:16,479 --> 01:27:20,280
Speaker 5: them one after the other, delivering the same spiel. Ultimately,

1846
01:27:20,400 --> 01:27:23,880
Speaker 5: it fell to read to drag the progressive senators into line.

1847
01:27:24,040 --> 01:27:25,720
Speaker 5: Once it was clear that the White House was on

1848
01:27:25,800 --> 01:27:28,479
Speaker 5: board with Biden's deal and McConnell was all in. That

1849
01:27:28,600 --> 01:27:30,639
Speaker 5: meant that there would be at least seventy or eighty

1850
01:27:30,720 --> 01:27:33,400
Speaker 5: votes for it. The Progressive block could vote no, but

1851
01:27:33,400 --> 01:27:35,320
Speaker 5: it would only send a message of discord and have

1852
01:27:35,360 --> 01:27:38,040
Speaker 5: no effect on the outcome. Reid told them, coaxing them

1853
01:27:38,080 --> 01:27:40,960
Speaker 5: to support the deal he himself loathed. In the end,

1854
01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:44,479
Speaker 5: all the Progressive Senators, including Bernie except for Tom Harkin,

1855
01:27:45,000 --> 01:27:47,439
Speaker 5: voted for the deal. It passed eighty nine to eight.

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01:27:48,080 --> 01:27:51,080
Speaker 5: Years later, Reid still regretted how it went down. He

1857
01:27:51,160 --> 01:27:53,559
Speaker 5: told me, quote, if we'd have gone over the cliff,

1858
01:27:53,680 --> 01:27:55,880
Speaker 5: we'd have had resources to do a lot of good

1859
01:27:55,920 --> 01:27:58,480
Speaker 5: things in this country, infrastructure development.

1860
01:27:58,600 --> 01:27:59,920
Speaker 4: But it didn't work out that way.

1861
01:28:00,560 --> 01:28:02,920
Speaker 5: Letting all the tax rates go back to pre Bush

1862
01:28:03,040 --> 01:28:06,080
Speaker 5: levels would have yielded the Treasury around three trillion dollars

1863
01:28:06,120 --> 01:28:09,840
Speaker 5: over ten years. Without the deal, taxes on dividend payments

1864
01:28:09,880 --> 01:28:12,000
Speaker 5: to the rich would have been set at thirty nine

1865
01:28:12,040 --> 01:28:14,840
Speaker 5: point six percent. Under the terms of the deal, they

1866
01:28:14,840 --> 01:28:17,519
Speaker 5: would be set at twenty percent instead, meaning that the

1867
01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:20,360
Speaker 5: super wealthy would be paying lower taxes on their passive

1868
01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:23,839
Speaker 5: dividend income than many working people pay on their wages.

1869
01:28:24,360 --> 01:28:27,000
Speaker 5: It helped fuel the inequality that keeps getting worse, and

1870
01:28:27,000 --> 01:28:29,240
Speaker 5: it added trillions to the debt at the same time.

1871
01:28:29,760 --> 01:28:31,679
Speaker 5: Now Biden has another chance to be in the room,

1872
01:28:31,720 --> 01:28:35,479
Speaker 5: and so far he's getting out maneuvered, Sager by Kevin McCarthy.

1873
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Speaker 4: Dot com dot com?

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Speaker 2: All right, lefong dot com, which we will have a

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Speaker 4: Lee.

1884
01:29:04,840 --> 01:29:06,479
Speaker 3: You're here to talk about very important story.

1885
01:29:06,520 --> 01:29:08,800
Speaker 2: Let's put it up there on the screen, which is

1886
01:29:08,960 --> 01:29:14,320
Speaker 2: FBI surveillance contractors probed anti vaccine mandate activist. Lee, You've

1887
01:29:14,320 --> 01:29:16,400
Speaker 2: been on the forefront of exposing a lot of the

1888
01:29:16,439 --> 01:29:19,719
Speaker 2: hygiens that the US intelligence community the FBI have been

1889
01:29:20,080 --> 01:29:23,679
Speaker 2: doing by infiltrating groups and under the name of national

1890
01:29:23,720 --> 01:29:25,680
Speaker 2: security and others. So what did you find in this

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01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:28,080
Speaker 2: story and what bigger pattern is it part of?

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01:29:29,120 --> 01:29:30,360
Speaker 6: Hey, thanks for having me.

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01:29:31,160 --> 01:29:33,040
Speaker 19: This is the story is part of a two part

1894
01:29:33,240 --> 01:29:37,400
Speaker 19: series on the threat intelligence industry. This is a subset

1895
01:29:37,439 --> 01:29:40,000
Speaker 19: of the cyber security industry. And you know, when you

1896
01:29:40,240 --> 01:29:43,960
Speaker 19: hear the term cyber security, you might think authentication or

1897
01:29:44,280 --> 01:29:45,599
Speaker 19: passwords or what have you.

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01:29:45,880 --> 01:29:48,679
Speaker 6: But this is actually a surveillance industry.

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01:29:48,720 --> 01:29:51,439
Speaker 19: You know, this is a type of firm that goes

1900
01:29:51,520 --> 01:29:54,880
Speaker 19: into it specializes in going into the parts of the

1901
01:29:54,920 --> 01:29:59,120
Speaker 19: Internet of social media that are private. There are a

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01:29:59,200 --> 01:30:02,960
Speaker 19: number of firms here, about a dozen prominent firms that.

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01:30:02,880 --> 01:30:03,680
Speaker 6: Specialize in this.

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01:30:04,280 --> 01:30:08,000
Speaker 19: What they do is that they go into Reddit, forums,

1905
01:30:08,120 --> 01:30:12,240
Speaker 19: WhatsApp groups, signal chats, parts of the dark web. They

1906
01:30:12,240 --> 01:30:17,120
Speaker 19: make fake online identities to gain the trust of the

1907
01:30:17,160 --> 01:30:21,080
Speaker 19: admins or leaders of online organizations or organizations that have

1908
01:30:21,120 --> 01:30:25,600
Speaker 19: an online presence, and they get invites to these private communications.

1909
01:30:25,880 --> 01:30:31,479
Speaker 19: They sweep up the messages, the chats, the communications, and

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01:30:31,520 --> 01:30:35,000
Speaker 19: they monetize them. They sell them back, these communications, They

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01:30:35,000 --> 01:30:38,559
Speaker 19: sell them to the government and to corporations. They say

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01:30:38,560 --> 01:30:44,400
Speaker 19: that they're looking for quote unquote threat actors, and you know,

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01:30:45,680 --> 01:30:48,840
Speaker 19: they're largely saying that, you know, we're looking for hackers

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01:30:49,360 --> 01:30:52,240
Speaker 19: and other kind of cyber criminals, but a big part

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01:30:52,280 --> 01:30:55,320
Speaker 19: of what they do is also look at activists. They

1916
01:30:55,320 --> 01:31:01,800
Speaker 19: penetrate activist groups, they research their tactics and strategies, and

1917
01:31:01,880 --> 01:31:04,920
Speaker 19: alert their potential targets. So, you know, this is a

1918
01:31:05,000 --> 01:31:07,160
Speaker 19: very interesting firm. This is one of the many threat

1919
01:31:07,400 --> 01:31:12,800
Speaker 19: intelligence firms of Flashpoint, And you know, we obtained their

1920
01:31:12,840 --> 01:31:16,400
Speaker 19: marketing materials and some of their other documents. Also, I

1921
01:31:16,439 --> 01:31:20,559
Speaker 19: interviewed them at a recent cybersecurity conference, and you know,

1922
01:31:20,600 --> 01:31:23,560
Speaker 19: they have a history of going after left wing organizations,

1923
01:31:24,200 --> 01:31:30,040
Speaker 19: investigating anti pipeline protesters, anarchists, but also these groups, these

1924
01:31:30,200 --> 01:31:34,599
Speaker 19: worker led organizations that were protesting the twenty twenty one

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01:31:34,880 --> 01:31:39,520
Speaker 19: vaccine mandate. These in this particular instance, these were workers

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01:31:39,520 --> 01:31:44,320
Speaker 19: in the airline industry, pilots, stewardesses, what have you, who

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01:31:44,400 --> 01:31:48,479
Speaker 19: were not comfortable with the twenty twenty one vaccine mandate.

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01:31:48,720 --> 01:31:51,840
Speaker 19: You know, these were essential workers, frontline workers, many of

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01:31:51,840 --> 01:31:54,600
Speaker 19: whom were the very first people to be infected with

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01:31:54,720 --> 01:31:57,280
Speaker 19: COVID nineteen and then recover. So you know, they made

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01:31:57,520 --> 01:32:01,360
Speaker 19: I think the very reasonable argument that the vaccine mandate

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01:32:01,400 --> 01:32:04,280
Speaker 19: should not apply to them because there's no exemption for

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01:32:04,439 --> 01:32:08,320
Speaker 19: people who recovered from the virus and had natural immunity.

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01:32:08,479 --> 01:32:12,800
Speaker 19: They were protesting this that looks like surveillance contractors like

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01:32:13,080 --> 01:32:16,479
Speaker 19: Flashpoint were investigating them. They were getting into their private

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01:32:16,520 --> 01:32:20,719
Speaker 19: signal chats, They're looking into their private communications.

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Speaker 5: And so in order for the FBI to do some

1938
01:32:23,880 --> 01:32:28,479
Speaker 5: of this stuff directly, they would need warrants. They need

1939
01:32:28,479 --> 01:32:30,280
Speaker 5: some probable cause some of it, you know, some of

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01:32:30,320 --> 01:32:32,519
Speaker 5: it they can get away with. Others, like getting into

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01:32:32,520 --> 01:32:34,680
Speaker 5: private signal chats. I would think they would need some

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01:32:34,760 --> 01:32:38,759
Speaker 5: type of type of warrant for that, And so they

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01:32:38,840 --> 01:32:41,599
Speaker 5: end up these kind of surveillance contractors end up creating

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01:32:41,680 --> 01:32:45,719
Speaker 5: a kind of false distinction to me between the activity

1945
01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:46,520
Speaker 5: of the FBI.

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01:32:46,280 --> 01:32:49,960
Speaker 4: That is prohibited and the activities private contractors which is allowed.

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Speaker 5: So what is the FBI's role in relationship with these

1948
01:32:54,439 --> 01:32:57,200
Speaker 5: companies and is there an argument to be made that

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01:32:57,200 --> 01:32:58,920
Speaker 5: they're actually they are just arms of.

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Speaker 4: The FBI and ought to be subject to the Saint laws.

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01:33:02,680 --> 01:33:05,280
Speaker 19: Well, there's you know a little bit of a gray

1952
01:33:05,320 --> 01:33:08,599
Speaker 19: area here where we don't know exactly, you know, where

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Speaker 19: the line begins and starts with the client relationship. You know,

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Speaker 19: a lot of these firms are publicly contracted with the FBI.

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Speaker 19: Flashpoint is publicly contracted with the FBI.

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Speaker 6: Has worked with them for many years.

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Speaker 19: Many of the other firms that I profiled are you know,

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Speaker 19: working for other intelligence agencies and the FBI, but they're

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Speaker 19: also working for corporate clients here too, And you know,

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Speaker 19: I think that's right.

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Speaker 6: You know this, For the FBI to.

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Speaker 19: Directly monitor the private communications of Americans, you know that

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Speaker 19: they require a warrant. You know, it's a Fourth Amendment issue,

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Speaker 19: but using a third party to gain access to these

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Speaker 19: private communications represents somewhat of a back door, right, So

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Speaker 19: like you have a just like the FBI has a

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Speaker 19: long history of using confidential and informants, confidential human intelligence

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Speaker 19: and informants to monitor and spy on groups where they

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Speaker 19: might not have direct access. These private contractors, these private

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Speaker 19: spies again represent a way for the agency to gain

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Speaker 19: access to materials that they don't normally have any kind

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Speaker 19: of insight into. And you know, we're seeing a greater

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Speaker 19: demand for this type of surveillance after the Discord leaks.

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Speaker 19: These firms publicly advertised Flashpoint. You know this this one

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Speaker 19: firm that that monitored the anti mandate activists. They publicly

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Speaker 19: advertised that they are looking into discord chats, that they

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Speaker 19: can penetrate discord communities. And after the Discord leaks, you know,

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Speaker 19: there's just so much demand that we get into these

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Speaker 19: private communications because again, these discord leaks appeared on a

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Speaker 19: private discord server and you know, allegedly these documents sat

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Speaker 19: there for months without the government knowing.

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Speaker 6: This was a huge embarrassment.

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Speaker 19: So there's more of a demand for these type of

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Speaker 19: firms to go in and spy on game I communities,

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Speaker 19: you know, activist communities, any type of community where potential.

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Speaker 6: Illegal or nefarious activity is happening.

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Speaker 2: You know, Lee, one of the things constant I kind

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Speaker 2: of see throughout your work is just the exposure of

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Speaker 2: the slow creep of the surveillance state, Like it starts

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Speaker 2: with the FBI and the DHS and er a specific

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Speaker 2: mandate and then you know, you helped with Ken Clippenstein

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Speaker 2: expose that new and you know, disinformation complex. And now

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Speaker 2: as part of your series, we're talking about anything from

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Speaker 2: vegans to anti vaccine mandate. It really just seems like

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Speaker 2: they are willing to stick their tentacles into something if

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Speaker 2: it goes against any basic established power center in the

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Speaker 2: US or am I reading it the wrong way?

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Speaker 6: Well, look at it this way.

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Speaker 19: We have a massive infrastructure in this country, government infrastructure,

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Speaker 19: and you know, government programs that fund an infrastructure that

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Speaker 19: is based on surveillance. And there's this evolving mission that

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Speaker 19: kind of skyrocketed since September eleventh to find, you know,

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Speaker 19: potential terrorists, to find threats that are you know, vaguely

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Speaker 19: defined by the national security state. And this is another

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Speaker 19: great example of that that kind of fits into this

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Speaker 19: rubric flashpoint. This one particular firm started out as a

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Speaker 19: small consultancy from a guy named Van Coleman who went

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Speaker 19: out and who worked with people who were infiltrating moss

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Speaker 19: and Muslim community centers. They were you know, dressing up

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Speaker 19: and going in and recording these communities and then taking

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Speaker 19: the information back and selling it to the FBI. Evan

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Speaker 19: Coleman then spun out his own firm and went online

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Speaker 19: and and and found you know, al Qaeda message boards

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Speaker 19: and you know isis online social media accounts. He would

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Speaker 19: save all the information to these multi terror by databases

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Speaker 19: and then go to US law enforcement and say, look,

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Speaker 19: you know, I'm an expert. I have all these online

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Speaker 19: communications and he's monetized that content.

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Speaker 6: You know, he's been accused of.

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Speaker 19: Helping wrongfully convict some Muslim Americans, like in the Fort

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Speaker 19: Dick's case. But you know this that was fifteen years ago.

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Speaker 19: Now today, as the War on terror has wound down, Flashpoint,

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Speaker 19: rather than also winding down, has actually grown.

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Speaker 6: It's grown exponentially. It's a huge firm.

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Speaker 19: They just acquired another threat intelligence company last year. They're

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Speaker 19: partnering with Google Cloud. They've they've got AI tools. And

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Speaker 19: instead of targeting potential you know, Alcaeda suspects, they're monitoring

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Speaker 19: environmental activists, They're monitoring conservatives who are concerned.

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Speaker 6: About the mandate.

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Speaker 19: You know, all they have is a hammer, So you know,

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Speaker 19: everything looks like nails for these surveillance contractors. They need

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Speaker 19: a new enemy, a new kind of threat to target,

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Speaker 19: to monetize. And it's a lot like these other kind

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Speaker 19: of mission creep of the security state that the Department

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Speaker 19: of Homeland Security, rather than winding down some of its

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Speaker 19: programs now it's kind of expanding. It's outreached and saying, oh,

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Speaker 19: we've got to target.

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Speaker 6: Misinformation or disinformation online.

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Speaker 19: We need to create these new partnerships with Twitter and

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Speaker 19: Facebook to censor really ordinary First Amendment protected speech.

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Speaker 5: And in your reporting, did you find that it was

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Speaker 5: a connection to the misinformation disinformation world that allowed for

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Speaker 5: the kind of an anti vaxxer surveillance Because as you

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Speaker 5: think about the other groups that were that were targeted,

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Speaker 5: all right, anti pipeline group, they're gonna they might blow

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Speaker 5: up a pipeline.

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Speaker 4: I can see some potential violence there.

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Speaker 5: The anti abortion groups that you've that you've that you

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Speaker 5: talked about being under surveillance, they've shot abortion doctors. Like,

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Speaker 5: so you can step back and you can say, all right,

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Speaker 5: I can intellectually see where they're going when it comes

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Speaker 5: to like the potential for violence. Doesn't mean that it

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Speaker 5: justifies kind of breaking Forth Amendment laws, But I see

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Speaker 5: where they're going. When it comes to the vaccine stuff,

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Speaker 5: they might might be harmful to themselves, may be isshed,

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Speaker 5: but who Like, I don't see the Are they going

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Speaker 5: to blow up like the vaccine facility or something, or

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Speaker 5: is it really it's it's flowing out of the disinformation complex.

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Speaker 19: I think it's likely it's flowing out of the disinformation complex,

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Speaker 19: but really it's just like a challenge to power.

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 19: You know, you had big corporate centers endorsing these mandates,

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Speaker 19: government endorsing these mandates. You know, for these airline workers,

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Speaker 19: their own unions and abandoned them. You know, a lot

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Speaker 19: I talked with a lot of these workers. You know,

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Speaker 19: their union wouldn't even negotiate them, They wouldn't put some

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Speaker 19: of these decisions up to a vote, and so they

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Speaker 19: had to kind of these workers had to form their

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Speaker 19: own organizations to protest for their rights.

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Speaker 6: You know, that's what that's their view. I think the

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Speaker 6: same applies.

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Speaker 19: The same kind of issue applies to some of these

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Speaker 19: vegan and animal rights activists.

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Speaker 6: These folks, you know, some of.

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Speaker 19: The particular groups I've been writing about, they don't have

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Speaker 19: a history of any violence whatsoever. But you know, I

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Speaker 19: published last week an FBI memo from the Sacramento Field

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Speaker 19: Office depicting them as a bio terror threat under the

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Speaker 19: weapons of Mass destruction Director of the FBI, you know,

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Speaker 19: using just really inflamed and exaggerated rhetoric to justify this

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Speaker 19: kind of national security crackdown on groups again just kind

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Speaker 19: of exercising their First Amendment rights.

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Speaker 6: Got it?

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Speaker 2: Well, Lee, you're doing fantastic job over there, Lee Fang

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Speaker 2: dot com. As I said, I'm a subscriber. I encourage

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Speaker 2: everybody else to become a subscriber. We'll have a link

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Speaker 2: down there down the description. We want to be able

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Speaker 2: to support Lee's excellent work here. And you're welcome back

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Speaker 2: on the show anytime, sir, So thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 6: Thanks for your support, yeh got it.

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Speaker 4: Great to see you.

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Speaker 2: Good to see you, man, And thank you so much

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Speaker 2: Ryan for sitting in for Crystal.

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Speaker 4: Appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Bro shows fun as always, Crystal. Like I said, we'll

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Speaker 2: be on with Emily tomorrow. So Ryan, you've got Wednesday off.

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Speaker 2: What are you going to do with yourself?

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Speaker 4: Sleep?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sleep and take care of your job.

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Speaker 3: That that's what most people should be.

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