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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Drive. I am Dale Lollly, he is

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Speaker 1: the Matt Williamson and it is a trouch you stay

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Speaker 1: here in Pitts ugly fall type day, raining all day.

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Speaker 1: Of course, the Steelers had to move their practice indoors

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Speaker 1: because of that. On this Thursday leading up to Ravens

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Speaker 1: Week and Ravens Game, I should say, and uh, well,

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Speaker 1: we get some injury stuff to dig into here, Matt.

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Speaker 3: We think the weather on Sunday is gonna be much better.

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Speaker 1: Than supposed to be, very supposed to be in the

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Speaker 1: sixties and nice, okay, but yeah, not so much today.

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Speaker 1: Kyle Hamilton back on the practice field today for the Ravens.

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Speaker 3: That's big news.

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Speaker 1: Kyle Van Noi as well.

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Speaker 3: Both Kyle's didn't put the most important player on defense. Yeah, absolutely,

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Speaker 3: no doubt. We'll see you know again being back on

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Speaker 3: the playing field. The Ravens are one of those teams

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Speaker 3: that don't let reporters watch practice.

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Speaker 1: Most teams don't, right, right, So yeah, you're to say,

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Speaker 1: well he was he was on the field, but in

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Speaker 1: the media portion of practice. That doesn't mean he did

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Speaker 1: any means he stepped on the field.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so well, so, yeah, I was shocked he was

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Speaker 3: in the mix for the Steelers injury he was ill, yes, okay,

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Speaker 3: so yeah, Steelers had some guys that did not participate

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Speaker 3: today and something that came back. Uh not participating today

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Speaker 3: was Van limited participant today was Van Jefferson with a

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Speaker 3: quadricep issue.

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Speaker 1: He didn't practice yesterday. So that's actually trending in the

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Speaker 1: right direction. Uh. CJ Henderson with a neck he really

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Speaker 1: he's been in active anything he doesn't play. Najee Harris

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Speaker 1: was a full participant today after not practicing yesterday with

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Speaker 1: that ankle issue. Jay Warren with a back issue, did

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Speaker 1: not practice today.

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Speaker 3: Is that new?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's bad.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm kind of thinking this is more, not

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Speaker 3: more than Naujie, But I think it's a Warren game,

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Speaker 3: you know, in the passing game.

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Speaker 1: Dante Jackson with the hamstring issue, was a limited participant

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Speaker 1: today after not practicing yesterday, So he's trending in the

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Speaker 1: right direction. Nick Herbig a full participant for the second

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Speaker 3: It sounds like he's out of the woods.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, Alex high Smith is not going to

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Speaker 1: today after the day of rest, Michael Pruitt was resting today,

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Speaker 1: he did not practice, and Cam Hayward was getting the

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Speaker 1: veterans day of rest.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So it sounds like Warren is the news in

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Speaker 3: terms of things that were unexpected or we really need

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Speaker 3: to comment on high Smith. We knew her big. We

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Speaker 3: had a strong trend. You know, he was going to play.

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Speaker 3: Bean Jefferson, I guess is the other one that's probably

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Speaker 3: gonna be listed as questionable or game time decision or

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Speaker 3: something like that. Yeah, you know that's not terrible.

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Speaker 1: No, no, not at all. So, uh, both teams reasonably

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Speaker 3: It's the middle of November. Yeah, all in all, they're not.

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Speaker 3: Neither one of these teams is all that banged up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, the Ravens are already without Pierce.

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Speaker 3: That's big for them. That's a big no matter how

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Speaker 3: you look at Yeah, given money recently too, but he's there.

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Speaker 1: He's their main run stuff for in the middle of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a three technique type.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, right, whereas Michael Pierces is a three

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Speaker 3: They've had those guys since Ray Lewis, Sam Adams and

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Speaker 3: Sarah Goosa. The don't do anything against the pass space eater,

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Speaker 3: monster human being. I like Jones though, the Yukon kid,

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Speaker 3: I mean he's not quite that, you know. I mean

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Speaker 3: But in typical fashion, they probably both teams like them,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So Matt, if we were ranking the unitska and

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Speaker 3: Okay, are we gonna wake them the same? We're just

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Speaker 3: gonna rank them. How we're gonna rank the six? Yeah, Okay,

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Speaker 3: what would be number one raven offense? Okay, that would

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Speaker 1: The NFL for me. Okay, but the number six in

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Speaker 1: that group would be the Ravens defense. Yes, yeah, is

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Speaker 1: there a team. Is there a team in the league

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's not the worst defense in the league, right,

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Speaker 3: but it's one of the worst pass defenses in the league,

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Speaker 3: and thus people don't run against them.

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Speaker 3: You're really really bad at one and there's definitely not

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Speaker 3: a run pass discrepancy, Yes, absolutely, for sure, because it's

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Speaker 1: It's crazy. I mean, it's insane.

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Speaker 3: Because they allow their third best defensively and allowing rushing

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Speaker 3: I think that drags down the third ranked run unit.

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Speaker 1: course you could give up seventy rushing yards per game

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Speaker 1: but if you give up two hundred and thirty passing yards,

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Speaker 1: you're still giving up three hundred yards a game.

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Speaker 3: You'll move the ball three hundred yards around the field, no,

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Speaker 1: they give up seventy rushing yards and three hundred passing

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean that needs fixed. I mean, I'm

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Speaker 3: sure Harbaugh's losing his marbles over that. Well, and you other,

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Speaker 3: no one's gonna choose to run.

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Speaker 1: The other thing that I'm sure Harbaugh is losing his

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Speaker 3: We did that video today with Rob King, and I

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Speaker 3: really meant to mention it, and I forgot that penalties, turnover,

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Speaker 3: or less, all three greatly favor the Steelers.

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Speaker 3: I mean at least that doesn't mean that sixty minutes

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Speaker 3: Steelers have the edge in those three categories, all the

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Speaker 1: Okay, so what's the second best unit in this game?

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Speaker 3: How about let's go work from the bottom up. Okay's

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Speaker 3: Ravens D is six. Ravens Special teams is five. Now

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Speaker 3: but that gap is closed absolutely absolutely we in recent weeks,

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Speaker 3: which is why when you look at this game, and

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Speaker 3: most complete team in the AFC north. Oh yeah, it

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Speaker 3: I don't know all these teams special teams ranks, don't

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to sell Kansas City's offense short. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I know the numbers aren't great, but they still Pat

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Speaker 3: Mahomes and Kelsey and Hopkins. You know, they'll be fun

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Speaker 3: and the defense is good, then I say they're well

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Speaker 3: Baltimore isn't. Since he isn't. Cleveland isn't for sure in

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Speaker 3: the vision, and I'm not sure I can go Houston

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, so, Yeah, it's it's it's it's an

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Speaker 1: these Ravens are really closer to what the Bengals have

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Speaker 1: been in recent seasons, very much so, where they're just

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Speaker 1: all offense. Yeah, it's all.

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Speaker 3: Offense, quarterback and everything.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, which unfortunately for since he is still the case. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: They've had some years where the defense was you know,

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Speaker 3: No, because again, you're not gonna run.

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Speaker 3: just who are the top if any of those special

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Speaker 1: But I'm not gonna I looked it up earlier in

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Speaker 1: the week. They are, which they're all every every other

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Speaker 3: Oh, I was thinking about those other teams in the world.

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Speaker 1: I just haven't studied them as much.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but that defense would make me crazy, and penalties

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Speaker 1: If the Steelers can win this game on Sunday, everybody

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Speaker 1: looks at the offense, Baltimore's offense. Baltimore's offense is great,

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Speaker 1: really good. Yeah, but if the Steelers have a path

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Speaker 1: going out there and taking advantage of that defense. When

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Speaker 1: Cleveland beat the Ravens a couple of weeks ago, I

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Speaker 1: think the Ravens had the ball eleven minutes in the

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Speaker 3: Okay, makes sense. I think that's true too. It rings

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Speaker 3: I was with Tom and Tim last night and they

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Speaker 3: they run me. But they were talking about Dante Jackson

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Speaker 1: He is the Matt Williamson. And Matt, let's take a

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Speaker 1: We'ven't done that for a while. Yeah, always take a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's rough. It's already even name a guy on

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Speaker 1: H Yeah, Michael won a Wino and that's about it,

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Speaker 3: They're ruining him. Yeah, there's some truth to that, but

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Speaker 1: He wants to play off script and do all this stuff,

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Speaker 3: It isn't for him.

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Speaker 1: No. At thirty down, three spots the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 3: It's crumbling quickly.

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Speaker 1: They're starting Cody Ford at left tackle, Cordale Volson at

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Speaker 3: Which has been basically their guys. Mims actually hasn't been bad.

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Speaker 3: It's all all the dudes that were once average that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you can dominant player. You can see it on

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Speaker 3: He's not hiding much.

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Speaker 3: In some ways.

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Speaker 1: It's a two man show there.

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Speaker 3: than alright, tho exactly, I mean you draft to guard

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00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:28,199
Speaker 3: in the top fifteen picks. I thought he was going

440
00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:29,440
Speaker 3: to break out and be one of the best guards

441
00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:32,040
Speaker 3: in the league this year. Yeah, with Daddy coaching the

442
00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:35,239
Speaker 3: old line. But the right side of the line is

443
00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:37,200
Speaker 3: worse than the Ravens. You know, we talk about that

444
00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:39,240
Speaker 3: right side. I mean it's like the worst side out there.

445
00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:43,280
Speaker 1: Uh. At twenty seven the Raiders down two spots.

446
00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:47,399
Speaker 3: I don't have a problem with that either. Jackson powers

447
00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:50,600
Speaker 3: Johnson looks like a keeper. Colton Miller's okay, but he

448
00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:53,520
Speaker 3: might be declining as well. And then it's just kind

449
00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:54,280
Speaker 3: of a bunch of dudes.

450
00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:54,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

451
00:20:56,440 --> 00:21:01,600
Speaker 3: At twenty six, down two spots and Texans it's been

452
00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,679
Speaker 3: miserable this year. They've good players that aren't playing well.

453
00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:08,879
Speaker 3: I think Tunsel's hurt. They don't pick up lits as well.

454
00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:11,879
Speaker 3: It seems to be getting a little bit better, but

455
00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:14,840
Speaker 3: if Mixing is not the ball carrier, they don't want

456
00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:15,159
Speaker 3: the ball all.

457
00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:16,120
Speaker 1: He's a good year.

458
00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:19,120
Speaker 3: He's had a really good year and he gets now

459
00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:20,600
Speaker 3: when he's healthy, he gets every carry.

460
00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:25,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're they're they're struggling. At twenty five, up four spots.

461
00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:28,760
Speaker 3: The Giants might be kind I mean the state of

462
00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:30,280
Speaker 3: their line with al Thomas has.

463
00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:34,359
Speaker 1: Been really bad, pretty bad. Yeah, at twenty four, up

464
00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:43,360
Speaker 1: four spots. The Saints. I mean, they were.

465
00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:44,160
Speaker 3: As bad as anyone when the season started in terms

466
00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:48,520
Speaker 3: of expectations. Ram Checks not in the mix anymore. So

467
00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:51,480
Speaker 3: they've kind of held it together, okay, you know, I

468
00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:53,520
Speaker 3: mean still not. I mean, I'm not saying it's great,

469
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:58,280
Speaker 3: but I would have taken that spot on the rankings

470
00:21:58,280 --> 00:21:59,160
Speaker 3: when the season.

471
00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:06,640
Speaker 1: Started at twenty three, down two spots. The Cleveland Browns.

472
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:10,399
Speaker 3: It's crumbling. The tackles I think are gonna become a problem.

473
00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:14,800
Speaker 3: They get old, They lost their line coach. I think

474
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,400
Speaker 3: the guards are getting old quick. Yeah, Potonio in particular,

475
00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,760
Speaker 3: I've always thought the center was average and kind of

476
00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:24,840
Speaker 3: a coach's creation, you know. And it's okay now, But

477
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,560
Speaker 3: the thing is, like, how much can they fix it

478
00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,639
Speaker 3: in the offseason. You know, they're not gonna many resources

479
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,640
Speaker 3: to address other than quarterback stuff.

480
00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:37,600
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah. Put a rookie quarterback or whoever behind a

481
00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:42,040
Speaker 1: bad offensive line, bad expensive offensive line too. Yeah, that's

482
00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:42,919
Speaker 1: the other part of the equation.

483
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:44,960
Speaker 3: That's a good point because I think, like maybe Conklin,

484
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 3: well definitely Conkland, but probably one of the guards. You're

485
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,280
Speaker 3: gonna have to get some cap relieve they could be gone.

486
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:52,360
Speaker 3: They could be worse next year.

487
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:57,320
Speaker 1: At twenty two down three spots, the Dallas Cowboys.

488
00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,439
Speaker 3: It's been a problem. There's been some rumblings this might

489
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 3: be Zach Martin's last year because he's good, he's not

490
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:07,120
Speaker 3: the best anymore. Yeah, the left guard Smith is really good,

491
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 3: but you got a rookie center. Guidon's kind of finding

492
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:11,439
Speaker 3: his way to be kind, you know.

493
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:16,399
Speaker 1: At twenty one down three spots, which is strange because

494
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,960
Speaker 1: they got to getting their back. But the Rams, Yeah,

495
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,080
Speaker 1: but they were bad. They were bad against Miami. They

496
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 1: were really bad.

497
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 3: Again, maybe that's just rust, but they were really bad

498
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 3: against Miami.

499
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they got named dudes on that line.

500
00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 3: They do, and a lot invested in it. Yeah, I

501
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:31,960
Speaker 3: mean a lot of dudes are making the serious money.

502
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:38,399
Speaker 1: At twenty no change. The Vikings, Yeah, it's kind of

503
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:39,679
Speaker 1: who they are without Derosaw.

504
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was just I think they might even be dropping,

505
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 3: not that the ones you mentioned around them are phenomenal,

506
00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 3: but yeah, they were fortunate to be able to find

507
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 3: a starting caliber left tackle that.

508
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 1: Doesn't happen much at the trade deadline.

509
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,200
Speaker 3: But he's not a great one now, you know, he's okay,

510
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:56,640
Speaker 3: and the inside's already bad.

511
00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,679
Speaker 1: Nineteen up three spots, Jacksonville.

512
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,640
Speaker 3: I wouldn't be that nice to them.

513
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 1: I wouldn't either. Yeah, at eighteen up five spots the Steelers, Okay,

514
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 1: you hope it keeps trending that way.

515
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,240
Speaker 3: You know, you finally look like you have your five starters.

516
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 3: Knock on wood that you know you don't have to

517
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 3: get shuffled up too much and in the coming weeks

518
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:25,200
Speaker 3: that you can play those five hopefully going forward, let

519
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 3: the young guys grow together. I think that's fair. Though

520
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 3: they list these the starter they list these guys. You're

521
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 3: either blue or you're red. If you're in a blue,

522
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 3: you're an average at least an average starter in the league.

523
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,919
Speaker 3: If you're in a red, you're below average starter. The

524
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,400
Speaker 3: only guy listed in red for the Steelers offensive line

525
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,360
Speaker 3: is Broderck Jones, who's coming off of his best game

526
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 3: as he had some promise. I thought that was, you know,

527
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 3: coming off the by Did he change his view on

528
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,440
Speaker 3: his job or did he realize something? You know, him

529
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 3: and the offensive line coach figured out, hey, your kick

530
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 3: sliding a little too much to the right or whatever. Yeah,

531
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:01,639
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Did they find a tweak

532
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,159
Speaker 3: there over in those two weeks. I'm just kind of

533
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 3: wishful thinking on that one. Yeah, we'll see. We'll find

534
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:07,199
Speaker 3: out a lot this weekend.

535
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. At seventeen the Chargers, no change.

536
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:14,880
Speaker 3: I'd be higher on him than that. I think those

537
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,920
Speaker 3: tackles are great. Yeah Slater in particular.

538
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 1: At sixteen, no change, the Arizona Cardinals.

539
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:25,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, you wouldn't know a lot of the names, but

540
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 3: like Froholt, the center is a really good player. Paris

541
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 3: Johnson's turned into a guy other than Johnson hasn't been

542
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,640
Speaker 3: big investments. But they're like the one extra team too.

543
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,440
Speaker 3: They always grab one more than you think they need.

544
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 1: Well, that extra initiar is Calvin Beacham and he's now

545
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,359
Speaker 1: starting for you. Yeah, and he's what a career he's had,

546
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I mean he's not going to the

547
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame.

548
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 3: You're fourteen, right, I think on the millions he's made

549
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 3: as a seventh round pick that was too short, et cetera,

550
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 3: et cetera.

551
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, lasted forever. You don't look at him a right tackle, No, right, right, right,

552
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 1: and he doesn't look like a right tackle at all. No, No,

553
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 1: At fifteen down six spots the Indianapolis Colts.

554
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,119
Speaker 3: Has it been worse with Flacco? Well, they're now starting

555
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 3: more attention to it. I'm not sure why they'd go backwards.

556
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 1: They're now starting to pit kid Gonekalaves at the left tackle. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

557
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 1: that's he's a year away. Yeah, and they got Dalton

558
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 1: Tucker nowt right guardy. I already knew Bordolini was was

559
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:25,879
Speaker 1: the center.

560
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,880
Speaker 3: That's three backups. Yeah, that makes sense. I mean because

561
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 3: the right tackle and Nelson or the only guys who

562
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:31,119
Speaker 3: got left.

563
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,959
Speaker 1: I saw something at mid season. I can't remember where

564
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 1: that had. The best rookie center was Tanner Bordolini in

565
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 1: the league. You immediately just alright, you don't know what you're talking.

566
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,120
Speaker 3: About, right, right, especially with his many good ones.

567
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 1: He only started like three games.

568
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, and come on, he was okay against Steelers, and

569
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 3: I'm sure they're I'm sure. Yeah, it is a mid pick,

570
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,639
Speaker 3: but he's not going to be a great one er. No,

571
00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 3: at fourteen down two spots, Dolphins. Yeah, it's it's held

572
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 3: up better than expected. Armstead has played every game shockingly. Yeah,

573
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 3: everybody else career, everybody around them has been hurt, right, right,

574
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 3: But no, that has not been the problem.

575
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 1: At thirteen up two spots the Falcons.

576
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 3: I would have them higher, especially as run blockers. I mean,

577
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 3: I don't know how PFF graded grades are for them, but.

578
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,119
Speaker 1: I think they wait more towards pass blocking.

579
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 3: As they should. I mean, that's like what Brandon Thorn does. Yeah,

580
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,640
Speaker 3: you know, but it's it's pretty good.

581
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: Starting five, well, I get news Ryan Newsill at center.

582
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, the Stafford kid got hurt early in the year. Yeah,

583
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 3: and remember we profiled them heavily. Their depth is really bad,

584
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 3: really bad. At twelve up two spots the forty nine.

585
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: Ers, Yeah, I think so.

586
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 3: I mean the fact that Pooney they hit a home

587
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 3: run in the mid rounds with a guard that goes

588
00:27:58,320 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 3: a long way Trent Williams is awesome.

589
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:04,880
Speaker 1: Scheme helps At eleven up two spots the Ravens.

590
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's certainly not the strength of the offense,

591
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 3: but it's better than it looked coming into the year

592
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:16,880
Speaker 3: for sure, and their jobs not as hard as theirs.

593
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: It is not. I was gonna say that they get

594
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 1: a quarterback who has extreme escapability. Yeah, they're going to

595
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,400
Speaker 1: average six yards of carry just.

596
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 3: Because Lamar's pocket presence has gotten way better too over

597
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 3: the years, and they have so many weapons, and it

598
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 3: is a good scheme. It's a it's way. I never

599
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 3: thought it would be that high when the season ends.

600
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 1: There are also times with these quarterbacks who run a

601
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: lot of read option stuff, and I said, I said,

602
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 1: I think I talked about this last week where they

603
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: run a read option and then the quarterback has tackled

604
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 1: behind the line of scrimmage, and so that's just a

605
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: run stop, right, There's more than capable of throwing the

606
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: football in that situation. In fact, there are times when

607
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: it looks like the quarterbacks are gonna throw the football

608
00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: and then tries to side step in the last Well,

609
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 1: he was running there, he wasn't.

610
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 3: They might have to be like a new stat you know,

611
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 3: like a run sack. Yeah, it halfway in between.

612
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 1: Did you catch the quarterback behind the line of scrimmage?

613
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, one hundred percent he was

614
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 3: gonna throw, or one hundred percent he was gonna run.

615
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 1: Did he even you No, right, he doesn't. You know,

616
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: the line is blocking half and half most of the time,

617
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 1: half his block run blocking. The other half is past blocking.

618
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 1: They don't know.

619
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, that's an interesting one.

620
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: At ten the Carolina Panthers.

621
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, they actually have something to hang their hat on. Yeah,

622
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 3: they paid for it. I mean Ikey with an early pick.

623
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 3: The guards were expensive, but they're getting something on.

624
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 1: Their playing Brady Christensen at left tackle and Cad May's

625
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: at center.

626
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 3: I think Ikey's back soon. Yeah, center was going to

627
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:43,959
Speaker 3: be a weakness all along, but the other four were

628
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 3: solid expensive guys.

629
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 1: At nine up two spots the Jets, I'm not buying that.

630
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: I would not have him that high. No, I'm not

631
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: buying that at all.

632
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 3: It's gotten a little better.

633
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: Rogers is just getting rid of the ball so quick

634
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 1: you're not gonna get pressure.

635
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 3: And they have a great running back and great skill

636
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 3: guys too.

637
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: You know. At eight down a spot the Philadelphia Eagles.

638
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 3: They're not the elite line anymore.

639
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: They're starting Fred Johnson tackle. He's not the same Fred

640
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 1: Johnson is with the Steelers ten years ago.

641
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 3: He's one of the more interesting linemen in the league.

642
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 3: I'm sure you remember, but I'm not sure our listeners do.

643
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 3: He's like uncommonly strong, like he could be in strongmand competitions,

644
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 3: you know, like natural power, but he is stiff, and

645
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 3: you know, I mean he is. It doesn't change directions.

646
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 3: I mean, but he gets his hands.

647
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 1: On you, you know, but he's.

648
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 3: Not Jordan Malatta, who should be back. That could be

649
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 3: back tonight. Actually yeah yeah. At seven down a spot

650
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 3: the Buffalo Bills.

651
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: I've been very.

652
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 3: Impressed with that group. I mean they've gradually put a

653
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 3: lot into it. They play a lot of six offensive linemen.

654
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 3: The right tackle. The tall kid was a project that Brown. Yeah,

655
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 3: Dawkins has always been good. The inside's fine, but the

656
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 3: lines become a strength. I think Alan used to make

657
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 3: up for the line for a lot of the time.

658
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: At number six down four spots is Tampa Bay.

659
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 3: I probably have them higher, but are they count.

660
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 1: Well, they're not counting worse. Yeah, then you got to

661
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 1: take him out of the equation. It's a different world. Yeah,

662
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: that's why they're down.

663
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 3: Other than Penneysoul. If you gave me one o lineman,

664
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 3: that might be worse.

665
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,239
Speaker 1: At five down two spots is Kansas City.

666
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 3: It's fair.

667
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 1: Their tackles are still a problem.

668
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 3: The real problem.

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00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: I don't know how Jawan Taylor's listed in blue here.

670
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: Juwan Taylor is not good.

671
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 3: That's not fair. Do they have Sue Matia in there. Yeah,

672
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 3: because then say I think because of injury, he's getting

673
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 3: thrust in there now.

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00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that could be a trouble for some for

675
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: them against the Bills this week.

676
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 3: We talked in the first segment, you know what worries

677
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 3: your most on your Super Bowl run for the Ravens.

678
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 3: The tackles for the chief is probably my biggest concern

679
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 3: if I was that if.

680
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: They run into a situation where an official was actually

681
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 1: calling the quick start, the quick start, we're not having

682
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: your helmet lined up with the centers mid drift.

683
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 3: I mean, the v they create on pass plays is

684
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 3: look like geese flying south.

685
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: Remarkable, like they were right up on the edge of

686
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: it and often over the edge of it.

687
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 3: And I would think a team like the Steelers wouldn't

688
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 3: be high on their list just in terms of a rushers.

689
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, so we'll see h at four up

690
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 1: a spot. The Packers.

691
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 3: I always say that some of the parts is or

692
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 3: whatever that's saying is the whole was greater than the

693
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 3: sum of the parts. With them, they don't have great

694
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 3: players whatever, they're like o line coaches.

695
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 1: They seem to.

696
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 3: Draft on the fourth round every year and turn them

697
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 3: into a starter yeah, and it's gold. It's like Munchakie and.

698
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: At three up five spots the commanders.

699
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 3: It's another good unit. I mean, no one stands out.

700
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 3: I think cous Me is their best guy. Scheme helps,

701
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 3: running quarterback helps. I don't know if I'd have them

702
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 3: that high, but it's the way out kicked.

703
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 1: My experts some of these numbers. So in thirty on

704
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: thirty seven pass plays last week, they allowed just four pressures.

705
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: Two of them turned into sacks. Yeah, you have to

706
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: take account. This is where you're talking with the running quarterbacks.

707
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 1: The idea is not to just go, you know, hair

708
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: on fire at the quarterback, right. The idea is to

709
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: keep the quarterback in the pocket.

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00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 3: We were talking about this Monday after the game.

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00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: If TJ.

712
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Speaker 3: Watt was the most selfish human being on the planet

713
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 3: and only wanted sacks, he would get something more. Yeah,

714
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, like, he'd get a lot more.

715
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 1: He was doing a they're doing a job to keep

716
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: the quarterback in the pocket and not allow him to

717
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: run crazy. And he had no scramble yards in that game.

718
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 3: And frankly, I mean that's one of the problems with

719
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 3: analytics is how do you judge that.

720
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Speaker 1: How do you account that? How do you account that? Well,

721
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 1: they look at it, you know, well or not Like

722
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: I saw a think a stat today. I want Wat's

723
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 1: got a career his it's a career low nine point

724
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Speaker 1: seven pressure rate.

725
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 3: Well, he's got to go through more of a gauntlet that. Yeah,

726
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 3: he's running to more less than that.

727
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: You take last week's game where the idea is just

728
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: to push the pocket and not necessarily get to you'd

729
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 1: like to get to the quarterback. If you can, you

730
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: do great, great, But that's the goal.

731
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I'm sure it's gonna be His pressure

732
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 3: rate's not gonna go up against this game, probably even

733
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,760
Speaker 3: though he's gonna get the better of Rose Garden.

734
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, but if he wanted if TJ. Watt

735
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: wanted to and they dropped back to pass thirty five

736
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 1: times and it was just him and Roger Rosengarten, right,

737
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:29,439
Speaker 1: he's there eighteen.

738
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 3: Times, right, right, as much as anyone in the league.

739
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:35,320
Speaker 1: Now, that also might allow Lamar to to scramble away

740
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 1: from him. Sure, twelve times, which is why you don't

741
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 1: do that.

742
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 3: So we've talked about Steeler blitz rate and stuff like that,

743
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 3: and it was up in this game. The thing every

744
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 3: defensive coordinated on the planet once though, is if I

745
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 3: can consistently affect the game with four, I get to

746
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 3: play with seven dudes in coverage. And you know, obviously

747
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 3: it's simple math, but his pressure rate wats in particular,

748
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 3: but all the starting four would go up drastically if

749
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 3: they blitz some more. I mean, if I have a

750
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 3: six man protection for those four, two on watt, help

751
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 3: on cam with the other guy or whatever. We'll just

752
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:14,280
Speaker 3: think of the ratio of if I bring somebody behind

753
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 3: one the backside or bring somebody around what six verse

754
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 3: five is a lot different, you know. Yeah, but that's

755
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 3: the team.

756
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 1: Game, right, you know, yeah, it's the ultimate team game. Yeah,

757
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: so you know we'll see. To me, I thought the

758
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: Steelers pass rush affected Jayden Daniels last week, he completed

759
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:36,320
Speaker 1: fifty percent of his passes.

760
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 3: I think it's the biggest reason that they won the game.

761
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 3: Made absolutely be honest with you, because I thought it

762
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 3: was a rough day by the Corners. There were open

763
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 3: receivers that weren't completed because of him being.

764
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 1: Affected, throwing behind guys coming across across as across Milt

765
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: and maybe he can maybe he struggles with that throw.

766
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:52,839
Speaker 1: Maybe that's something that they.

767
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 3: Saw middlefield stuff, don't.

768
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean, but I just I know I

769
00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: saw at least five passes where he threw the ball

770
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 1: behind the receiver on a crosser.

771
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 3: Right, and I definitely think Cam Hayward had something to

772
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 3: do with that.

773
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know number two the Denver Broncos.

774
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,959
Speaker 3: But real quick, I thought, I heard, I thought, next Gen,

775
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 3: which is different than PFF, had Daniels his most pressured game.

776
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 1: There you go.

777
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've always hesitated to even use pressure.

778
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: Pressure is such a because if Cynthonia Frouland was sitting

779
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 1: Freedland was sitting here, I think she would.

780
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 3: Tell you I have to be a foot and a

781
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 3: half away to call it a pressure. When the ball

782
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 3: comes out, there's some math thing to it so that

783
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 3: they take the hmm, is that a pressure or not?

784
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: Out of the equation.

785
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,399
Speaker 3: But here's sure's in general just the thing I look at.

786
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 1: But there's a there's not a quarterback in the league

787
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 1: that lines up and ses TJ. Watt on his right

788
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: and doesn't feel pressured by that.

789
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,320
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, the play caller or the protection scheme or

790
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 3: all those things.

791
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 1: Absolutely that affects the game. So Denver's number two, and

792
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 1: that leaves still Detroit number one. Detroit the only team

793
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:07,800
Speaker 1: on here with all five guys in blue.

794
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 3: Okay, they're all five starters still kicking.

795
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: I think so Decker, Glasgow, Rag Noowzeitler, Seel.

796
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, they've gotten I think most of the year

797
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 3: out of their starting five. Yeah, and Pennasol is unbelievable.

798
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

799
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 3: So, I mean they've got a good group. Good for

800
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 3: Denver too. Denver's built something decent there. Yeah, I still

801
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 3: don't know that. It's I like minors. I don't love McGlinchey,

802
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 3: I think that. But they run block and he's a

803
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:35,760
Speaker 3: good schemer.

804
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 1: Two. Yeah, they don't run block super well though either.

805
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: Their backs all stink. I'm not sure if their backs

806
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: are good. Yeah. Yeah, so there's that. Let's get to

807
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: a break. Those are the offensive line rankings per Pro

808
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: Football Focus. But the Steelers moving up on that list,

809
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:49,959
Speaker 1: and uh.

810
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:51,240
Speaker 3: I think they're trending in the right direction.

811
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 1: If they can again, if they can get up into

812
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: that into those high teams, I think you take that.

813
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 3: You take that, and this time next year you're eight.

814
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, okay, you're building something now you got

815
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: something on the head of the right.

816
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 3: Way considering your young investments.

817
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he is Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly. You're

818
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 1: listening to the Drive here on the Steelers Audio Network, Matt,

819
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:18,399
Speaker 1: and now I will be back with more right after this.

820
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Speaker 2: At least he's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt

821
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 2: Williamson on your twenty four to seven Home of the

822
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 2: Black and Gold cast in Steelers Nation Radio.

823
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Drive. I am Dale Lolly. He

824
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: is the Matt Williamson and we just were talking about

825
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 1: TJ Watt. Matt, he has sixteen career sacks against the Ravens.

826
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: There's some crazy thing, the most sacks against the Ravens

827
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: since twenty seventeen. The next closest guy is Miles Garrett

828
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: with eight and a half. Right, think about that.

829
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 3: Think about that. Those two came in the league the

830
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:00,240
Speaker 3: exact same year Garrett.

831
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Speaker 1: Oh, by the way, Trey Hendrickson's in the Division two. Yeah, right, right,

832
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: because Cam Hayward's third on that list was seven.

833
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, pretty good. Yeah, they've had two against Ravens.

834
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 3: O Line and Lamar and whoever like other quarterbacks in

835
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 3: the game for him, and then what's crazy is not

836
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Speaker 3: only is that the most against the Ravens, but there's

837
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 3: only one team that has a player have more sacks

838
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 3: against them during the time, and it's the Browns and Watt.

839
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, well there's also this one. Okay, so he he

840
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:36,280
Speaker 1: has seven and a half career sacks on Lamar Jackson,

841
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: who doesn't play all the time against Steelers in four

842
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: games in four games, right. Miles Garrett second on that

843
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: list with five and a half sex against Lamar Jackson

844
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 1: in ten games.

845
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 3: He's probably played the brown game four times, right, and

846
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,240
Speaker 3: he's an easy guy to sack. No, it's crazy.

847
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, Cincinnati Sam Hubbard has four and a half. Chris

848
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 1: Jones has four and five games, seven and a half

849
00:39:58,280 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: sacks and four games.

850
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty good, pretty significant.

851
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 1: Like the chances to add to that, Yeah, absolutely. Lamar

852
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 1: against the Steelers in games he's started is one in three.

853
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 1: The one came in twenty nineteen, okay when he Whens

854
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 1: and they won that game. If you remember the game,

855
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: Mason Rudolph gets hurt at the end of the first half. Okay,

856
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,320
Speaker 1: he took a hit from the safety. He was a starter,

857
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: he was just he started the game. Okay, So Mason

858
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 1: Rudolf gets hurt. At the end of the first half,

859
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 1: Douck Hodges comes in, the game, goes to overtime, as

860
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 1: they often do. Hodges hits a pass to Juju Smith

861
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: Schuster in overtime. It's a catch and run. He's running

862
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: with the ball and Marlin Humphrey comes up behind Juju

863
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: Smith Schuster at about the Baltimore forty and strip the

864
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,399
Speaker 1: ball out and then and then the Ravens. The Ravens go, Yeah,

865
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Speaker 1: they get it. They get like one first down, they

866
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: get and they kick a field go and win it.

867
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 3: Wow.

868
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Speaker 1: Or he's zero and four right against the Steelers because

869
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 1: they're a good chance the Steelers were going to be

870
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,320
Speaker 1: in field goal range. Yeah, Humphrey saves a day. Humphrey

871
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,399
Speaker 1: saved to day. Wasn't anything Lamar did.

872
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,839
Speaker 3: No, And I'm sure you I know what document you're

873
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 3: looking at right now. His passer rating, all this LST

874
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:16,760
Speaker 3: everything is so much worse against the Steels.

875
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 1: He's throwing now the Steelers, they're the only team that

876
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: he's thrown more interceptions than touchdown passes against. Yeah, it's

877
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 1: four to seven. It's not the most interceptions that he

878
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: has in his career against one team, the Browns actually

879
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 1: have that. I think it's that he's played him a lot,

880
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: eight or nine. But again, that's what I was going

881
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: to say, he's played them ten times.

882
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 3: Strangely, he's been missing out of the equation when the

883
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 3: steel game's round. You know, No, it's bonkers because all

884
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 3: the stats passer rating, turnovers, turnover has been a big

885
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 3: thing for.

886
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, been a big He's turned the ball over ten

887
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: times in those four games, seven interceptions and three fumbles.

888
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, I knew it was high number because they hit him,

889
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 3: because they hit them right, right right, and who knows,

890
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 3: maybe it's a harbad playing tighter type of thing. I

891
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,839
Speaker 3: don't know, you know. But they also cause a lot

892
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 3: of turnovers.

893
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 1: So in his four games against the Steelers, he's they've

894
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 1: averaged nineteen point eight points. When he plays anybody else,

895
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 1: the Ravens average twenty nine point one points. Ten point difference.

896
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, the discrepancy is massive. So I like how they

897
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 3: did it too. They didn't say here's his normal against

898
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 3: thirty two, it's one verse thirty one other.

899
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is what he does all the way out.

900
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:32,720
Speaker 1: His passer rating is unbelievably sixty six point three against

901
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:36,320
Speaker 1: the Steelers. Yeah, it's one oh three point zero against

902
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,399
Speaker 1: everybody else. Yeah, he's top five people and he say,

903
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 1: who can he can't pass? Are you're out of your mind?

904
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,760
Speaker 1: They're out of your mind. Right, He's I think second

905
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: or third all time in passer rating.

906
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 3: And he's set this year. He's on pace to set

907
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:50,879
Speaker 3: the record.

908
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 1: And blow it away, blow it away, blow it away.

909
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 3: I mean, if he just doesn't screw it up, he'll

910
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 3: probably set the record. Yeah, but he's got to pay

911
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 3: the Steels twice. He's got to play Twace, and he

912
00:42:58,440 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 3: doesn't do it so well against up.

913
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the Browns seemed to have his number for

914
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:03,760
Speaker 1: to a certain you think it's.

915
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 3: Maybe one great pass rusher. I think that might be

916
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,359
Speaker 3: part of it. Hendrickson's good, but he's not like those two.

917
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: No, not like those.

918
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 3: He doesn't play Parsons, he doesn't play both.

919
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: You know.

920
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, if he played they lost to Crosby, it might

921
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 3: be two because Cam gets there quite a bit.

922
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

923
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 3: I was just thinking, what's common between the Browns and

924
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 3: Steelers is one superstar, you know. Yeah, Cam doesn't hurt

925
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 3: and they're better than the Browns against.

926
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: Them but he averages two and a half giveaways per

927
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:33,800
Speaker 1: game against the Steelers. Everybody else he evers just point seven.

928
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's on his mind right now. He was

929
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: asked about it this week.

930
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 3: He was asked, what what what's the why do you

931
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 3: think the problem is at with the Steelers? And he says,

932
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know when. When's his most

933
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 3: recent appearances against the Steelers.

934
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: Last year they beat him seventeen to ten.

935
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,399
Speaker 3: The last game he didn't play it right, but first

936
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 3: one here and they scored in twenty twenty two. I

937
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 3: think he missed both of them that year, Okay, I said,

938
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 3: I can't remember when all four of those.

939
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:07,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, he missed one the year before that or vice versa,

940
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 1: but one of the years he missed them both.

941
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 3: The bad news on all this is, I think this

942
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 3: is the best version of Lamar Jackson.

943
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:14,839
Speaker 1: That's ever I do too the earth.

944
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, But the good news is he destroys thirty one

945
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 3: teams and he doesn't destroy this one at all.

946
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,879
Speaker 1: I mean, until we have tangible evidence that he can

947
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 1: do it, you have to look at and go can

948
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 1: he I don't know. No, it makes me because he

949
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 1: hasn't beaten him in this decade. Yeah, this decade.

950
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 3: Like you said, though, it makes me crazy when people

951
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 3: are like, yeah, but he's not a very good passer,

952
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 3: You're nuts.

953
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: So how about this? So right now, Lamar leads the

954
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:49,320
Speaker 1: league in passer rating, Joe Burrows second, Yeah, and Russell

955
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 1: Wilson is third. Yeah. If that holds up the entire season,

956
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 1: it will be the first time since the league has

957
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: recognized passer rating as an official.

958
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 3: I remember it is like early eighties, eighteen seventy three, Okay,

959
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 3: I say, like Dan Foutz, I remember past.

960
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 1: Nineteen seventy three is the first year they actually recognized

961
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 1: passer rating. It'll be the first time three guys in

962
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: the same division finished one, two and three.

963
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 3: That's kind of surprising. Like I bet batting average has

964
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 3: done that, or home runs or you know whatever. Yeah,

965
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,879
Speaker 3: leading scorers in the NBA or NHL or whatever. It's

966
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:21,479
Speaker 3: a long time.

967
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: But for when when people when you came into this season,

968
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 1: even you know, last year and the year. You know,

969
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 1: the Steelers obviously they clearly have the worst passing passer

970
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 1: room in the quarterback room in the division. Well, I

971
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 1: said all along, though it's Cleveland.

972
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, and now it's clearly three, but it's it's clearly three,

973
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:41,399
Speaker 3: but it's not closer to two than when it looked

974
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 3: like that. It's not the distance that everybody thought it

975
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 3: was going to be, and the numbers bear that out

976
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 3: for sure. Yeah, but the tape does too. I mean,

977
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 3: he's played that well through three games.

978
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 1: Yeah.

979
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 3: So, but some of his lifetime stuff's crazy too. Like

980
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 3: there's in that packet that the league sends out the

981
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:02,399
Speaker 3: touchdown interception stuff that Wilson has, and then they put

982
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 3: it next to Lamar. They're like the best two, you know.

983
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 3: I mean it's if you date back to beginning of

984
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 3: last year, they are the best two touchdown interception ratios

985
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 3: in the league twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four combined.

986
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 3: And Denver put him on the bench for two games.

987
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, which thanks Dever.

988
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,760
Speaker 3: But his whole career touchdown interception ratio is the third

989
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 3: best in history. He's only behind Aaron Rodgers and Mahomes.

990
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 1: If he has an average game, his average year, his

991
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 1: average game on Sunday, he's he needs two hundred and

992
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: twenty one yards to pass Drew Bledsoe for eighteenth place

993
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 1: on the all time passing list number of bleds so

994
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 1: have played for the Cowboys for a long, long time.

995
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: It's not like his career ended when Brady benched him.

996
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:46,839
Speaker 1: He needs two touchdown passes to tie to move into

997
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: a tie with fran tarkand him for twelfth place on

998
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 1: the all time really long time too. And it's with

999
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: three hundred and forty. Yeah, three hundred and forty touchdowns

1000
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: is a lot.

1001
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 3: What numbers? What ranks for those I'm sorry, eighteenth to twelfth, Yeah,

1002
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 3: that's probably Hall of Fame. Don't you think he's going

1003
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 3: to add two of them? Not what I mean, that's

1004
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 3: the thing.

1005
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's going to continue to add to

1006
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: He'll be top ten and all that stuff by the

1007
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 1: time he's done.

1008
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, this is a conversation for another day.

1009
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 3: But if he's the starting quarterback here next year, which

1010
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 3: I highly suspect he will be, I would think you

1011
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 3: get this year and two more out of him minimum,

1012
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Like, I'm not sure that

1013
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 3: you have to draft a first round quarterback. If you

1014
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 3: sign him in the first round, it gives you, yeah, right,

1015
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 3: a wiggle room to do that. You don't take in

1016
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 3: a bad quarterback draft. You don't draft that guy as

1017
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 3: his successor just because he's or weight.

1018
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:36,800
Speaker 1: You take one in the third round the next three years,

1019
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:38,399
Speaker 1: you know, the hope you hit one of them hits

1020
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: or he's a third round pick.

1021
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:43,320
Speaker 3: Justin do you want to come back to Yeah, who knows? Yeah, absolutely,

1022
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 3: But Wilson's career sotu's crazy, and this year has been really,

1023
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 3: really good and last year was a lot better.

1024
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:51,399
Speaker 1: People think, Yeah, his career passer ratings one hundred point one,

1025
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 1: that's top five all time. That's times, that's time with

1026
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow.

1027
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 3: Bro who you think of it? Efficient as could be?

1028
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, like that's his that's his stat Yeah, you know. Crazy.

1029
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 1: So anyways, that's going to do it for our number

1030
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 1: one of the Drive here on the Steelers Audio Network.

1031
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 1: Matt Now'll be back with our number two right after

1032
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 1: this