1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,480 Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Big Blue Kickoff live right 2 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: here on Giants dot Com. John Schmolke, Lance Meadal with 3 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: you two O one four five one three. That's the phone. 4 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: Then we'll get your calls a little bit later in 5 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: the show. We've got two guests coming your way today, 6 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: and our first one will get you right away. That 7 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: is Dane Brugler from NFL draft scut dot com and 8 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:21,599 Speaker 1: the Sports Exchange. And Dane has released the Beast, that's 9 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: what they called his Draft guide. It's our favorite draft 10 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 1: guide here at the Giants facility. David Deal just took 11 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: his home today. Lance will take his home today as well. 12 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 1: Daney got John Schmulkin Lance Medal here in East Weatherford. 13 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:36,559 Speaker 1: How are you guys? Hey, Dan, We'll first of all 14 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: want you to tell people how they find your guide. 15 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: Easiest way is on Twitter at dp Brugler uh at 16 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: the linked pin at the top. It's an automatic PDF download, 17 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 1: so you got you know, click it automatical becomes your screen. 18 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: It's under ten bucks and you know the bosses want 19 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 1: me to sell it for like five, but I want 20 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: to make sure it's accessible to you know everyone. It's 21 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: not you know, too much of a financial in there. Uh, 22 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: to pick it up anyone that's interested in the NFL Draft. 23 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: I promise you you will not be disappointed with your 24 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: level of detail and the amount of information in this thing. 25 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: And not only just the top guys, but I'm talking 26 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: there's four hundred and fifty reports in there, so we 27 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:15,680 Speaker 1: should have you covered from one through two fifty six 28 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: on draft weekend. Yeah, two hundred and sixty pages. You 29 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: have like four or five different sections on on each player. Uh. 30 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 1: It really is wonderful, folks. And just let you know, 31 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: I purchase this Dame does not give it to me 32 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:30,639 Speaker 1: for free. It's so good. I've been buying it for years, 33 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 1: and you guys should go and do it too. It's 34 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: one of the best. Appreciate that not no problem, Dana, 35 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:36,559 Speaker 1: And it is one of the and like he said, 36 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: one of the most reasonably priced guys out there as well. 37 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 1: In the information is terriffing it. Then, I want to 38 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 1: start with this first because Giant fans are kind of 39 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: the two factions. You got se Kwon Barkley faction and 40 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: you have the quarterback faction, and I got both groups 41 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: mad at me this week because I was starting to 42 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: give it the idea that maybe Bradley Chump would be 43 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: a good way to go. But a lot of giant 44 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 1: fans don't think he is a high enough ceiling to 45 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: be worth the second pick in the draft. You have 46 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: him very high on your big board. Tell those fans 47 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: that might not want Bradley Chubb why they might be wrong? Well, 48 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: I guess I just I don't understand why they You 49 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 1: would not want Bradley Chub on your team. I mean, 50 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: if you would rather have ste Pon Barkley. Okay, you 51 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: know I can understand that Barkley is a fantastic player. 52 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: He's going to be fantastic running back in this league. 53 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: But Bradley Chubb is outstanding. Um. I mean back to 54 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: back years over ten sacks at NC State, broke Mariy 55 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: Williams records for tackles, for loss and sack. Uh In. 56 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: The best thing you love about Bradley Chubb is it's 57 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 1: not necessarily a projection where you know you're worried about 58 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: him reaching his ceiling. He's already a really good player 59 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: right now. Uh, And so you don't there's not there's 60 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 1: less of a bust factor there because when you watch 61 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 1: him play, you see the speed. You see the power, uh, 62 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:53,359 Speaker 1: you see the know how, a technical understanding of how 63 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 1: to break down the rhythm of blockers and use different 64 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: moves mid rush to counter with the blockers are trying 65 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: to do. So. He has a very smart understanding of 66 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: how to play the physician. It's more than just physical skill, 67 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: and he's just very well rounded can play the run. 68 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: I know, the biggest concern I think I've heard from fans, 69 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: Giant fans is the scheme, you know, going to more 70 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: of a three or four. How will he fit even 71 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 1: the way the defenses are running today's NFL. It's just 72 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 1: it's such a mix of both three four four three. 73 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 1: You're going to adjust based on your personnel. And Bradley Chubby, 74 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 1: he's the best pass rusher in this draft, and he's 75 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: a guy that is at number two. He's definitely in 76 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: consideration there. And I want to do one quick follow ups. 77 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: I think some Giant fans are scared he have the 78 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 1: best three cone. He was only a three star athlete. 79 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: But I was watching the tape with David Deal, who 80 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: had to block a bunch of defensive ends during his career, 81 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: and he was just so impressed with his use of 82 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: his hands as balanced as fundamentals just an overall well 83 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: rounded player. Does that lack of bend the corner, super 84 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: speed off the edges that concern you would all in 85 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 1: terms of limitting him as a top notch pass rusher 86 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: down the road. No, not at all, because he can 87 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 1: do it. I mean he's He might not have the 88 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: von Miller type of athleticism, that's just that's not who 89 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: he is. But he can still win um in different ways. 90 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: And so you know if you if you need him 91 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: to drop his shoulder and rip, dip and rip around 92 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: the corner, he can do that. He might not, you know, 93 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: be the twitchiest athlete in space in terms of changing 94 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 1: direction and quickly transitioning his athleticism, but he can go 95 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: through blockers, he can go around blockers. Uh. And you 96 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: know he's I think I mentioned he's more than just 97 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: a athletics physical guy. I mean he sees it. He 98 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 1: is backfield vision. He understands where the play design is going. Uh, 99 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:48,239 Speaker 1: and he puts himselves in position to make a play. 100 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 1: So he's very intelligent, understands that the offense is trying 101 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 1: to do well. As John alluded to, Dane, the Giants 102 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: fan bases are in variety of segments, So the quarterback 103 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 1: segment of the fan base certainly is intrigued by the 104 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 1: fact that the Giants could very well have a few 105 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: options if they want to go in that direction at 106 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: number two. How do you see the change and talent 107 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: from one quarterback to another within the group that at 108 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: least is expected to go potentially in the top ten. 109 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:20,160 Speaker 1: Include me in that faction. Uh, yeah, I to me. 110 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: You know, even if you think Eli Manning is has 111 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: a year or two left, or you know, however many years, Uh, 112 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: you know that he can still play. Uh. You know, 113 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 1: he sturdy seven years old. And I mean how often 114 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: the Giants fans think through me picking top five? Not 115 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: very often. And so get you know, while you're there, 116 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 1: get your guy. Uh. We have plans for the future, 117 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: and you know you're set at the most important position 118 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: on your football team. Uh. And when you look at it, 119 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: there's a lot of conversation right now around the league. 120 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 1: Who's going number one? Josh Allen or is it Sam Donald? Uh? 121 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 1: You know, only the only John Dorsey knows he is 122 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 1: the only and he might not even know just yet. 123 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: He might be, you know, nine there. But John Dorsey 124 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 1: might not him and under sure of who that first 125 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 1: pick is going to be. Uh. And so you know 126 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 1: for the Giants, you know, I think Dave Gettlman has 127 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: been taking the last to this last month, you know, 128 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: once free agency ended and uh, you know they got 129 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: through that and the owners meetings and all that. Uh 130 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: really had a chance to fit down with the tape. 131 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:23,479 Speaker 1: You know, have these quarterbacks come in into the building, 132 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: get to know them a little more. We've heard Dave 133 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 1: get him and say he wants the best player. He 134 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: wants the guy that has Hall of Fame potential. You know, 135 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 1: he wants that that best guy and it might be 136 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 1: a quarterback if especially in my opinion, if the Browns 137 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: go Josh Allen, I don't know how you passed up 138 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 1: Sam Donald there. Uh for a twenty year old. Everything 139 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: he shows on the field, uh, you know he needs 140 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: to get better with the turnover is no question, but 141 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: I think those will improve. He the foundation traits that 142 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 1: he shows for such a young player, the ability to 143 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: anticipate passing windows, the ability to uh improvise on the 144 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 1: move and throw off platform. Uh. You know, when things 145 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: break down, that's sometimes when he's at his best and Uh, 146 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 1: just the overall mental battle that takes at the position. Uh. 147 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: He showed he can manage that and bounce back from 148 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: mistakes the leadership. And again he's only twenty years old. 149 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: So for me, Sam Donald is either you're gonna go 150 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: one or two in this draft. It just comes down 151 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: to do the Brown take him at one, do the 152 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 1: Giants take him by two, or does another team move 153 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: up to the number two pick to get him Dan. 154 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: I think we're on the same page here. And if 155 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: Josh Allen does go one, which by the way, I'll 156 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: believe it when I see it, I just think that's 157 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: a really risky, risky selection for a team that hasn't 158 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: hasn't had a quarterback for literally almost thirty years. Um, 159 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: if you're down between Rosen and Mayfield and you're set 160 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: on picking a quarterback, you have both those guys next 161 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 1: to each other on your big board. I go daily 162 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: back and forth which guy I like better. I think 163 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: I'm eventually gonna lend them Mayfield because of Rosen's health 164 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 1: issues and more than anything else, do you know that 165 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 1: can really d rail of careers as much as anything else. 166 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: If you're sitting there in your Giants at two, and 167 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 1: you have a choice between Rosen and Mayfield. How do 168 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: you parse those two guys? Yeah, No, that's a that's 169 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: a deep conversation to have. Uh. And that's something that 170 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: there's a lot of factors involved with Josh Rosen. You know, 171 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: in a vacuum, he's probably the best pure pocket pastor 172 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: in this draft. I love the way he uses the 173 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 1: middle of the field. He's probably the best middle of 174 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: the field pastor that I've ever scouted. Really impressive in 175 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 1: that respect. But kind of like how you you were 176 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: alluding to with the durability, uh, you know the fact 177 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: that he's hey, he had two concussions last year. Uh, 178 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: you know he missed uh the year before, he missed 179 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 1: the second half of the year with a injury to 180 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: his throwing shoulder. So the durability is definitely because he's 181 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 1: not a mobile guy. I mean, think about I think 182 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: Matt Ryan. It's kind of his comparison, uh, in terms 183 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:56,839 Speaker 1: of the movement skills and what he can do with 184 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:59,199 Speaker 1: a pastor. Uh. And you know, if he stays healthy 185 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: on the field, sure, sign me up. You know, all 186 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: take that in the top five pick. Sure, and so. 187 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 1: But at the same time, again, is he gonna be 188 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: able to stay on the field, and you know, and 189 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: the and the whole personality and the character and the 190 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:13,959 Speaker 1: stuff that's been thrown around. You know, there's there's something 191 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 1: to it, and I just I don't know how much. 192 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: You know, it's something that it's gonna there's very opinions 193 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: about it. Some teams are gonna be turned off. Some 194 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: teams are gonna say just you know, you know, we'll 195 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: figure it out. Uh, there there is something there, but 196 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 1: it's just it's hard to figure out how to how 197 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:34,199 Speaker 1: to incorporate that into your overall evaluation of Josh Rosen 198 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: and with Baker Mayfield is the biggest thing you worry 199 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: about is just going from that Oaklahoma offense, which was 200 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: Taylor made for him, and what he does, uh you know, 201 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:46,439 Speaker 1: using the middle of the field, using a lot of movement. Uh. 202 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: You know, we didn't see him as consistently throw outside 203 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 1: the numbers or make the consistent NFL throw at some 204 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 1: of these other quarterbacks. But he was accurate, um and 205 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 1: you know, not just Big twelve accurate. But when you 206 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: you know, watch the film, he's making throws that I 207 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: don't put them in the SEC put him in the 208 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 1: big ten. I mean, those are going to be accurate throws. Um, 209 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 1: So we can talk about big twelve defenses all day long. 210 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:11,119 Speaker 1: He's still doing his thing and he's doing it accurately. 211 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 1: So and with Baker, Uh, you know, I think I 212 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: would lean rosen Um even given the concerns, but you know, 213 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: asked me tomorrow and I might feel different. They're very 214 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 1: close on my board. Well, that's how often things change 215 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: when you evaluate the quarterback and a lot of things 216 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 1: you brought up, Dane. You know, when you do look 217 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: into a quarterback, it depends on the offensive line, it 218 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: depends on the scheme, as you mentioned, it depends on 219 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: the talent around the quarterback. So with that being said, 220 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: who do you have the most confidence that if a 221 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 1: general manager brings in a quarterback, regardless of the facets 222 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 1: around that quarterback, that they'll be able to thrive. Who 223 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 1: has the least amount of question marks regardless of the 224 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 1: environment that you put them in. Uh? Yeah, I think 225 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 1: it's Sam Donald. I think that, you know, depending on 226 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 1: regardless of type of offense that you're running, Um, you 227 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 1: know your offensive coordinator and you know his philosophies. I 228 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 1: think that he could thrive in any of those uh, 229 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 1: any of those areas where I think some of these 230 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 1: other players are a little more uh, you know with uh, 231 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 1: with Josh Rosen, I mean, you want him staying in 232 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 1: the pocket, Baker Mayfield, you want him moving around, Lamar 233 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 1: Jackson especially, you want him you want to incorporate RPOs 234 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 1: and option plays and you know him ability to use 235 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 1: his leg. Josh Allen is a little bit of the 236 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: wild card and all of this because you know, we 237 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 1: we've talked about it. The physical traits are elite, uh 238 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: scouting cat, the arm, the size, the athleticism. Uh, it's 239 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:37,199 Speaker 1: hard not to be enticed by those physical gifts. But 240 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 1: he's undeveloped in so many key areas of playing the position. 241 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:43,679 Speaker 1: And you know, if he comes out and turns out 242 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 1: to be a sixty five percent completion percenters thrower in 243 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:50,839 Speaker 1: the NFL, great, But that would go against what historical 244 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: data shows us about players in college who are fifty 245 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: six uh completion percenter strowers at the college level. And 246 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 1: so Josh and Josh Allen, UH conversation is very loaded. 247 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: It's something that uh even like in war rooms, and 248 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: you know, teams are having their draft mutis right now 249 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 1: there will be no consensus on Josh Allen. I mean 250 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: they will be going back and forth about, uh, you 251 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 1: know what his future looks like with its potential I 252 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 1: look to ceiling as an NFL player. How quickly will 253 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 1: he get there? How long do they need to sit? 254 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: You know, the coaches are gonna have their own opinion. 255 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 1: It's really I'd love to be a fly on the 256 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 1: wall to hear those conversations, because Josh Allen is uh, 257 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 1: he's not as bad as people think, and I don't 258 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 1: think he's has as good as the number one pick, 259 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:36,839 Speaker 1: but he's somewhere in between. Dana, I want to be 260 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:40,199 Speaker 1: joined by Dame Burglar NFL Draft Scout, dot Com Sports Exchange. 261 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 1: I want to dip down a little bit. I think 262 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 1: the appeal of Barkley, I think is the effectively have 263 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: in the passing game. Pro Football Focus did a great study, 264 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 1: and the impact of running backs on wins and losses 265 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:53,079 Speaker 1: is almost felt more in the passing in than the 266 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 1: running game. I think that's if you're gonna make the 267 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 1: argument for Barkley at two. I think that's the argument. 268 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 1: If you don't go there, and you're looking at the 269 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:01,079 Speaker 1: top of the set around or even maybe on top 270 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: of the third. What running back do you like in 271 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 1: that second tier? And it's a big second tier that 272 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 1: could affect the game both as a runner and as 273 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 1: a passer and rather as a receiver. Yeah, and I 274 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 1: think that that's that's one of the arguments against Berkeley 275 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 1: in the top five, is the caliber of running back 276 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 1: you can get, uh in the second round, because like 277 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 1: you said, it's a it's a deep group, um and 278 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 1: you know it will see how many going the first 279 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: we know Berkeley is going to be a top five, 280 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 1: top six pick. Darius Guy says he fits somewhere in 281 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 1: that late late first round range. Ronald Jones, where does 282 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: he fit in all this? Uh? And then on day two, 283 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: I think the two Georgia running backs really stand out. 284 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 1: Now they weren't used consistently in the passing game, um 285 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 1: enough and that just wasn't part of what they did. 286 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 1: Tony Michelle had nine catches the past year, Nick chob 287 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: At four. So on paper it doesn't look it doesn't 288 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 1: look great, But when you work them out, think you 289 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 1: can see that they have the body, control, the focus, 290 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: the hands to be receivers out of the backfield. Um. 291 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 1: So I I think that the college production can be 292 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 1: a little deceiving. Uh you know, of course you want 293 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 1: a back that uh you know John Kelly from Tennessee, 294 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: he tied for the team leading receptions with thirty seven, 295 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 1: So you know you'd love to see that in your 296 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 1: running back. But when you work these guys out, you 297 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 1: can get a feel for, you know, where they just 298 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: underutilized in the passing game or were they underutilized because 299 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 1: they can't do it? And with Chubb and Michelle, I 300 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 1: think it was just you know, that just wasn't a 301 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: big part of their offense and what they were trying 302 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 1: to do. I think both can do it at a 303 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: high level. Both run the football, catch the football, and 304 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: I think both are encouraging as blockers. So I put 305 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 1: the two Georgia right backs on the second round. Are 306 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: guys that really like one guy that you did image 307 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 1: it was a Rashad Penny out of San Diego State 308 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 1: who obviously has the appeal of a special team or 309 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 1: like Barkley, I mean, he wasn't necessarily a huge receiver 310 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 1: in terms of his involvement in the offense. Where do 311 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 1: you see him falling into that mix of running backs 312 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 1: that you just mentioned. Yeah, he's squarely in that mix, 313 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 1: somewhere in the top seventy five, you know, late second, 314 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: maybe in the early third. The biggest worry I have 315 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: with shot Penny is past protection. Uh that that he's 316 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: not a very good blocker. Uh, and so you want 317 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: guys that can you can leave him on the field 318 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 1: on any down, uh, you know, and you don't have 319 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 1: to worry about the defense saying okay, well rush ide 320 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 1: Pennies and we know he's not gonna stay back there 321 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: in pass protech, so he's going to run a pattern 322 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 1: or the the you know, the handoffs going to him 323 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: or you know what have you. Uh, So you know 324 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: you want guys I can stay on the field all 325 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: three downs and you know, be versatile. Rushade Penny just 326 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 1: isn't that right now. And I give him credit at 327 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: the combine he said it, he said, I'm not a 328 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: very good blocker right now. I need to get better. 329 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 1: And so I give him credit for knowing that, understanding 330 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: that and working towards it. Um. And so we'll see 331 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 1: how he does once it gets the NFL, if he 332 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: can improve in that area. But he, I mean, the 333 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: production speaks for itself. He is uh thirty two yards 334 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 1: rushing yards the last two years. UH on special teams, 335 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:05,479 Speaker 1: he has the FBS record for career returns for touchdowns. 336 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: I just ridiculous the amount of production that's got put 337 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: together in college Day. One position we haven't spoken a 338 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 1: lot about on this show is safety. If the Giants 339 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 1: are looking for safety to compete with Darian Thompson for 340 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: that single high type position that contract the ball in 341 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 1: the air, take good angles, make plays on the ball 342 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 1: in the air. Who do you like in the middle 343 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: rounds of this draft that can do those sorts of 344 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: things as a guy that's gonna play deep. Well, I 345 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 1: don't think there's not many, And I think every team 346 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: would love that ball hawking free safety UH that can 347 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: play both sidelines, has the play range, has the ball skills, 348 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 1: has the instincts um and we just don't see a 349 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: lot of those guys in this draft. I think there's 350 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 1: more box players in terms of the safety guys you 351 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 1: want to creeping towards the line of scrimmage and coming downhill. 352 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 1: But there are a few. I think just debates from 353 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 1: Wakes Forest UH one of the better free safeties in 354 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: this group at six one two pounds, UH you know, 355 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: he's a ball hawk at wake Forest. He trust what 356 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 1: he sees, and that's key for a safety where you're 357 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 1: not trying, you know, you're not hedging your bets and uh, 358 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 1: you know kind of pitter pattering around him. He trust 359 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 1: what he sees and he goes uh and so that 360 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 1: helps him make plays. I think he's gonna be somewhere 361 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:20,359 Speaker 1: and he's probably a second round range, so not exactly 362 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 1: the mid rounds, but somewhere on day two. Uh. And 363 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:25,360 Speaker 1: then if you get into if you're looking for someone 364 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 1: in the mid rounds more rounds three, four, even the five. 365 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 1: Tracy Walker from Louisiana is a player I like, uh, 366 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 1: good sized athlete, six one two or six pounds. Uh. 367 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 1: He was used all over. He was used as a 368 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: strong safety, as a corner, they used him as a 369 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 1: free and he was a big reason when Louisiana faced 370 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 1: uh Texas ann the Christian Kirk had only like thirty 371 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 1: four yards or something like that. Uh. He covered him 372 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:51,680 Speaker 1: quite a bit in the slot and did a nice job. 373 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 1: So Tracy Walker somewhere in the middle rounds would make 374 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: sense of that free safety. John just mentioned the Giants 375 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 1: may go after a safety, perhaps in the middle rounds. 376 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 1: I mean another position could be the offensive line, and 377 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:05,439 Speaker 1: we haven't brought that up. I'm curious, Dean. You know, 378 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 1: when you look at the interior offensive linement, specifically the 379 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:11,880 Speaker 1: guard position, maybe an area that the Giants look into, 380 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 1: you know who jumps out to you if they want 381 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:16,919 Speaker 1: to target somebody in rounds two, rounds three. And my 382 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:20,640 Speaker 1: second part of the equation is, is Quentin Nelson warrant 383 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:22,639 Speaker 1: the number two overall pick if they even want to 384 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:26,640 Speaker 1: go in that direction? I think I think he does. 385 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 1: I mean, Quentin Nelson's the best football player in the draft. Um, 386 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 1: he's a better guard than any other player is at 387 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 1: their position in my opinion. Uh. And so it just 388 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: comes down to the value of the position and how 389 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 1: each team looks at it. Uh. You know, it's kind 390 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 1: of like running back, you know, for the for the 391 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:45,880 Speaker 1: Cowboys two years ago, and made sense for Ezeke Elliott 392 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 1: last year for the Jaguars. It made sense for Leonard 393 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: Fournett being a top five pick for the Giants. Doesn't 394 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 1: make sense to have a guard for the sake of army. 395 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:57,680 Speaker 1: Argument include Berkeley and they're running back too, So I 396 00:18:57,680 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: think both those you know, they're kind of fighting the 397 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 1: aditional value arguments both those players for the number two pick. 398 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 1: But I do think he is worth it because he's 399 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 1: the best football player in this draft and he's immediate upgrade. 400 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 1: He's gonna compete for Pro Bowls very early in his career. 401 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: But if you hold off into the second or third round, 402 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 1: guards on the radar to stick out immediately. Brandon Smith 403 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: from Auburn, bigger guy, play a little bit of tackle, 404 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:23,439 Speaker 1: six six three fifteen pounds. Uh, there's a lot to 405 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 1: like about him. And then Austin Corbett from the Vata 406 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 1: UH former walk on played left tackle the last four 407 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,879 Speaker 1: years for the wolf Pack. Uh, there's a lot to 408 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 1: like about him. Uh. You know, you play on the 409 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 1: edges in college. But he has the petigree, has the 410 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 1: skill set, he can move inside the guard. I think 411 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 1: he'd be a long time starter. Dan final one and 412 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:44,879 Speaker 1: I know you gotta go real quick. I had a 413 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 1: chance to watch about four or five games of carry 414 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:48,919 Speaker 1: On Johnson yesterday. I understand why you love him so 415 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:50,919 Speaker 1: much now here. He reminds me, reminds me a lot 416 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 1: of de Marco Murray. I think he's gonna have a 417 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:54,439 Speaker 1: good career in the League if he stays healthy. But 418 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:58,639 Speaker 1: give me your prediction for the Giants pick and then 419 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 1: what you think the Giant and so we'll do for 420 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:04,360 Speaker 1: both their first and second rather if you can. I'm 421 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:07,159 Speaker 1: gonna go quarterback at one. Um, That's what I would do, 422 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 1: And I think that's what they're going to do. I 423 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:11,640 Speaker 1: think they're they're gonna see too much value and taking 424 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 1: the quarterback there. Uh. Now the question which quarterback that's 425 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 1: that's that's that gets tough. Um right now, I'll say Rosen. Um. 426 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: You know, I think Donald's gonna go one, even with 427 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:23,719 Speaker 1: all these Josh Allen rumors. And then you know, Rosen 428 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 1: to me, I think that's fits. So I'll say Rosen 429 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: right now. And then a second. Uh, Billy Price, the 430 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:34,680 Speaker 1: guard center from Ohio State, had the slight peck tear 431 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:37,440 Speaker 1: at the combine, but he'll be okay for training camp 432 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 1: at the start of the season. A guy that you 433 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 1: can plug in. Uh. You know, he was fifty five starts, 434 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 1: two six starts at Ohio State. No one at o 435 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 1: Higher State had more. I think he's gonna be a 436 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: big time player, and because of the injury, you might 437 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 1: get him at of this kind of value. At thirty four. 438 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 1: So I your first two picks. I'm both on offense. 439 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:59,120 Speaker 1: I think both immediately help you picking predictions the same day. 440 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:01,160 Speaker 1: We appreciate that time. Thanks so much. I know you're 441 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 1: real busy this time a year. We'll talk to you 442 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 1: down the road. Enjoy the draft. Thanks day, appreciate it. 443 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 1: That's Dame Brougler. And again, let me get to the 444 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 1: front page so I can show up properly. That was 445 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 1: his top one hundred draft forwar, which is in the back, 446 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,440 Speaker 1: says draft guide. Again, you can go to at DP 447 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 1: Bruegler on Twitter, easiest way to get it. It's inexpensive 448 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 1: and it's fantastic. Two fifty pages, uh, three hundred profile 449 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 1: three four fifty profiles. I think he said four to 450 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: fifty player profiles in here. So it's a wonderful book. 451 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: Make sure you go and you get it. It's really 452 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:35,360 Speaker 1: and he's always good for to us on the show. 453 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:37,239 Speaker 1: Always comes on a couple of times a year. At 454 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 1: the combine end before the draft, will be joined by 455 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 1: Teddy Lehman. He's the sideline reporter for Oklahoma football, so 456 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 1: you get a little Baker Mayfield talk. Lens can get 457 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,479 Speaker 1: his Baker Mayfield hyped out of his system a little bit. 458 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:52,639 Speaker 1: He loves him some, Baker Mayfield. But between now and then, 459 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 1: let's get a couple of calls in at two oh 460 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: one nine nine four five one three. Scott in New 461 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: Mexico has been holding Scott, what's going on? Hi, guys, 462 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:05,399 Speaker 1: how are you doing? Could uh? All the guests this 463 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 1: week have really good informative The conversation with Dane was 464 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:11,920 Speaker 1: great that he really liked. Was very entertained by Dan 465 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 1: Shanka on Monday. He was funny, right he was, and 466 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 1: he sort of threw both Josh Allen and Sam Donald 467 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: under the bus. And when I was hearing Dane, I 468 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,160 Speaker 1: sort of got a little bit of the same jargon 469 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:31,159 Speaker 1: that Baker Mayfield is the most accurate of all the quarterbacks. 470 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 1: So why emblazes with the Giants if they're going this route, 471 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 1: if they're going to take a quarterback, why wouldn't you 472 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,679 Speaker 1: take the most accurate quarterback in the draft? Well, you know, Scott, 473 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,360 Speaker 1: it's funny. We didn't have time, so I couldn't really 474 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 1: argue back and forth with Dan. I happen to agree 475 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:46,639 Speaker 1: with him, and I think Dane is kind of on 476 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: the same page with Josh Allen, I think his inconsistent 477 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 1: accuracy is a real issue. And we're gonna have Daniel 478 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 1: Lassi on the show on Friday, former NFL quarterback recently retired, 479 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 1: and he talks about some of his you know anticipation 480 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: and recognizing things that an issue for Josh Allen, and 481 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:02,879 Speaker 1: those things I think are real worries because I'm not 482 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:06,879 Speaker 1: sure you can fix those with Donald. To me, you 483 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 1: can fix ball protection just by keeping two hands on 484 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:12,440 Speaker 1: the ball in the pocket, I think you can fix. 485 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,360 Speaker 1: And I think as a as a twenty year old 486 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 1: that's only been playing for two years, I think you 487 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,920 Speaker 1: can also improve decision making. I think those things are 488 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 1: far easily more corrected than the issues Allen has. Now 489 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: why I, for example, like Darnalin more than I like 490 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:31,639 Speaker 1: Rosen and Mayfield. He has no red flags. Mayfield you 491 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,679 Speaker 1: can look at either his size or you know, attitude whatever. 492 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 1: Rosen durability and again some people question the attitude. We 493 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:39,879 Speaker 1: don't really interact with the guys. We can't speak so 494 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,879 Speaker 1: much to that. Um he's much more mobile than Josh 495 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 1: Robin Rosen. He can make something out of nothing better 496 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 1: than he can and I think his size in the 497 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:52,400 Speaker 1: pocket gives him the advantage over Mayfield. And he made 498 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:57,199 Speaker 1: some throws in in College scott where he's putting the 499 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: ball in the middle of his own defenses, in between 500 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 1: linebackers and safeties, anticipating words receivers are gonna be before 501 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 1: they even come out of their breaks. It is some 502 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:11,919 Speaker 1: advanced level stuff. That's why I in about four or 503 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: five games. But the point that Dan Shanka made also, 504 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 1: which I thought was interesting, is that I think in 505 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,639 Speaker 1: twenty six games he turned the ball over thirty seven times. 506 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 1: If I if I recalled that was accurate, I'm not 507 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 1: sure if that was. And then absolutely and then that 508 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 1: that's why I made the point decision making in ball 509 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 1: protection to the two things that's this problem, but the 510 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 1: lance and I both think those are things that are 511 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 1: relatively easier to correct than some other fundamental issues. I mean, 512 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 1: one of the things that contributed to his high turnovers 513 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,120 Speaker 1: is he was only keeping one hand on the football, 514 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:42,959 Speaker 1: so you know, he fumbled the ball at a very 515 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 1: high rate as a result of that. Jordan Palmer, who 516 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 1: I mentioned earlier, who's been working with him, former NFL quarterback, said, 517 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,679 Speaker 1: you know, they immediately saw that on film, and obviously 518 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:52,639 Speaker 1: they've been stressing to you gotta have both hands on 519 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: the football at all time. Yeah, exactly, And the footwork 520 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,440 Speaker 1: too comes into playing that. With respect to the interceptions, 521 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,440 Speaker 1: I mean, the interceptions comes down to decision making. You know, 522 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,399 Speaker 1: whether or not you're pressing the envelope, whether or not 523 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 1: you're throwing off your back foot, whether or not you're 524 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 1: forcing things into double coverage. I mean, I think most 525 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,959 Speaker 1: quarterbacks fall prayed to that, So that's something that can 526 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 1: be corrected based on filmwork intendencies. But I wouldn't be 527 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 1: overly concerned about his fumbling issues Sam Donald, because that, 528 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,679 Speaker 1: to me, is just the mechanical issue that has already 529 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: been addressed. And by the way, Donald's issues with that 530 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,440 Speaker 1: sort of thing, isn't it really similar to Eli. I 531 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: mean I think some people would complain that Eli maybe, yeah, 532 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,160 Speaker 1: sometimes might turn it over a little bit too much, 533 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,119 Speaker 1: you know, right. Yeah. The one thing with Alan that 534 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,399 Speaker 1: I'm a little concerned with. Having lived in San Diego 535 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:40,160 Speaker 1: before New Mexico, I watched forgetting that this quarterback I'm 536 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 1: going to compare him to uh was a head case. 537 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 1: And that's Ryan Leaf, who was really a great had 538 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:50,920 Speaker 1: a great arm uh and was wildly inaccurate when he 539 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:54,360 Speaker 1: got to the NFL. Do you think Josh Allen can 540 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,440 Speaker 1: correct some of the things he was doing in college 541 00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 1: or has that analogy of those two quarterbacks. I think 542 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 1: Ryan Lee's rough because I think his off the field 543 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 1: stuff that's such a negative impact on his career. And 544 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: you know, and he had coaches changed on him really 545 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,160 Speaker 1: early in in San Diego, and I think a better 546 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,880 Speaker 1: example and I only bring it up because the head 547 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 1: coach brought it up himself, and that's Brian Billick. Is 548 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 1: Kyle Bowler, a guy that had a big time arm 549 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 1: in college, can make all the throws just like Josh Allen. 550 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 1: And Brian Billick was on the NFL Network Path to 551 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 1: the Draft show, which is on at six o'clock every day. 552 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 1: It's a great show if you want to learn about 553 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,200 Speaker 1: these draft prospects. Bucky Brooks, Danie Jeremiah do a great job. 554 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,399 Speaker 1: And he talked about how when they looked at his 555 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:37,880 Speaker 1: taping college, they explained away his fifty completion percentage by 556 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 1: not having a lot of talent around him, and you know, 557 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:42,920 Speaker 1: circumstanced things like that. And he got to the NFL 558 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 1: and they're like, oh boy, no, this guy is just 559 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 1: really not that accurate. That's gonna be really hard to fix. 560 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 1: And he he doesn't anticipate well things like that. So 561 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 1: I think if you're looking for a worst case scenario 562 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 1: comparison for Allen, it's a Kyle Bowler. But is there 563 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 1: a chance that he fixes all his footwork issues, gets 564 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,879 Speaker 1: his mechanics together, and turns out to be you know, 565 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 1: Dan Marino. Yeah, there's a chance that happens. He is 566 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,920 Speaker 1: that much physical ability, but there's a I think much 567 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,880 Speaker 1: bigger risk for him that it doesn't happen then there 568 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 1: is for the other three quarterbacks that most people have 569 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 1: in their top tier. Well, I mean, Palmer also worked 570 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,879 Speaker 1: with Alan, he worked with Donald, then he worked with Alan. 571 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 1: Alan's issue he found was him throwing off his back foot, 572 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 1: which impacted is his inaccuracy and his accuracy. And I 573 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 1: would also throw out the problem I have with Alan 574 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:29,879 Speaker 1: is that you know, there were issues in terms of 575 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 1: the intermediate throws, not just the deep throws, and that 576 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,640 Speaker 1: concerns me about whether or not you could correct that 577 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,119 Speaker 1: like a Kyle Bowler or somebody else. It's one thing 578 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,479 Speaker 1: if you're missing deep down the field, It's another thing 579 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 1: when you're missing within striking this Scott. Here's the trick. 580 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 1: Alan has the highest upside of any player in the draft. 581 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:51,120 Speaker 1: His physical tools are unmatched. But you need a lot 582 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: more than just physical schools to play quarterback. Right. One 583 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 1: question that I wanted to ask about Davis Webb. If 584 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 1: the Giants sir not going this route, which you know 585 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:06,880 Speaker 1: there's a possibility they won't go quarterback, uh with Davis Webb, 586 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,199 Speaker 1: can you actually do an analysis of a quarterback like 587 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 1: Davis who just really has game films and has has 588 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,639 Speaker 1: route trees he was doing in practice and so forth. 589 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,439 Speaker 1: Can they actually make a fair analysis of where Davis 590 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,120 Speaker 1: Webb is prior to the draft, because obviously that's the key, 591 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 1: in other words, where they're going to draft a quarterback 592 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 1: or not. It's the development of Davis Webb. So cannot 593 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 1: be done in two weeks because the draft basically two 594 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,440 Speaker 1: weeks away. It's not his pro day. I think thanks 595 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 1: made that apparent. You know, you can't treat this offseason 596 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 1: workout program as the Davis web showcase. I remember this 597 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 1: week and next week they're not on the field, so 598 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 1: it's only the mini camp. The week of the draft. 599 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 1: So we're talking three days, John, three days, and one 600 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 1: of these days is the day of the draft. Well, 601 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 1: and then on top of that, also they're running around 602 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 1: in the underwear and shorts. There's yet there's no game situation. 603 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 1: It's not an NFL regular season game. How much you 604 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 1: going to learn about the quarterback? You're not think what 605 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 1: Pat Yourber brought up when he spoke to the media 606 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 1: the Owner's meeting hit it right on the nose. The 607 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 1: best way for them to compare David's Webb is go 608 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 1: back and look at his college film and then look 609 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 1: at Josh Island, look at Sam Donald, look at Rosen 610 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 1: in Mayfield, and then sort of see where there are 611 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 1: in terms of the same page in similar environments. That's 612 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 1: all you can do in terms of the means of comparison. 613 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 1: I don't understand this whole narrative that David's Webb has 614 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 1: a huge leg up because they can look at the 615 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 1: practice film from last seas. By the way, he took 616 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 1: about two dozen during the regular season. He took about 617 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 1: two dozen practice snaps. You're not making franchise decisions off 618 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 1: the two dozen practice and he also put a lot 619 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 1: of work John in before games because he would simulate 620 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 1: game situations and he got to give him a lot 621 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 1: of credit. He was extremely dedicated to his craft. But 622 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 1: once again, how much are you taking away from that? 623 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 1: I don't think it highly influences the Giants outlook in 624 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 1: terms of what they're gonna do with the number of 625 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 1: two overall pick. You make the pick, and if David 626 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 1: turns out to be great, then you have another setting. 627 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 1: But you can't let something that's that big and look, 628 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 1: I have faith in David, but I think he can 629 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 1: has the chance to become a good quarterback. But do 630 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 1: I know that with any certainty and nobody else can either? 631 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 1: Absolutely not. So you can't let make that determine what 632 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 1: you do with a pick as important as a second 633 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 1: overall pick in the draft. Real quick, before we get 634 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 1: to Teddy Lehman, I want to get to benne manalopin Ben, 635 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 1: what's going on him? My two favorite players in the 636 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 1: draft for Baker Mayfield and Chubb as a defensive lineman, 637 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 1: and show at the draft one of the guys you 638 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 1: had on I remember the gentleman's name. He was a 639 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 1: scout said Mayfield can't throw into the wind. If you 640 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 1: can't throw into the wind, he can't play for the Giants. 641 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 1: And honestly, honest, honestly, Ben, I don't remember who said that. Um. 642 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 1: I for one, just from my personal perspective watching Mayfield 643 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 1: on tape, I have no worry about his arm strength. 644 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 1: I think he can throw in any conditions. I think 645 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 1: he'll be fine. I gotta be honest. Well, I hope 646 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 1: you're right, because if they in my opinion, he was 647 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 1: the best quarterback in the draft. I understand why you 648 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 1: would think that. I understand one. I've seen him throw 649 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 1: fifty to sixty yards down the field about any issue. 650 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 1: And you know, if you look at just on the 651 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 1: field stuff. Last year, Ben, he was the most efficient 652 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: effective quarterback in college football last year. The argument and 653 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 1: I think eventually make a great pay with Beckham. But 654 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 1: the second guy, uh was was chubbed the defensive lineman. Uh. 655 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 1: Somebody called up I think it was a listener and 656 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 1: said he saw the tape to note the name tape 657 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 1: with with uh with Chubb and Chubb had his way 658 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 1: with with the the Sam mcclinchy, you're talking about the 659 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 1: defensive lineman. Yeah, but when he when when Chubb stunted 660 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 1: and he came up against Nelson. The guy said, uh, 661 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 1: Nelson pancaked him several times, which leads me to one 662 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 1: Nelson instead of Chubb, which which which by the way, 663 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 1: I watched that full game, Teddy, after that call, and 664 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 1: again thanks for the call. We have our guests coming up. 665 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 1: I watched the full tape of that game. Chubb against 666 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 1: those guys mcglitchy won a bunch of battles. Chubb beat 667 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 1: him a couple of times. And maybe there were two 668 00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 1: stunts the whole game where he came over and tried 669 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 1: to Shawn Nelson. You can't take anything out of that. 670 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 1: You're also not going to judge a prospect on a 671 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 1: small sample size of one game. Just I mean, and 672 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 1: it's a study. He's not going one on one against 673 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 1: Nelson trying to beat him. People make too much, too 674 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 1: much substance in games, too much. All right, Now, we're 675 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 1: joined by Teddy Layman. Teddy is the Oklahoma Sooner sideline 676 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 1: reporter former NFL linebacker, and he joined us now to 677 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 1: talk about some of the Oklahoma prospects coming out in 678 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 1: the two thousand eighteen NFL draft. Teddy and got John 679 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 1: Schmulkin Lance Meadow here in his Rother for New Jersey. 680 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 1: How are you today? How about you guys? We're doing great. 681 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,040 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for the time today. We appreciate it. 682 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 1: And let's start at the elephant in the room. No 683 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 1: reason to mess around. That's Baker Mayfield, Teddy. And from 684 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 1: a guy that's watched him a lot more than we 685 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,959 Speaker 1: have the last few years, I know how good he 686 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,800 Speaker 1: was on the field, sticking to his on the field work. 687 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 1: Where did you see any weaknesses from him over his 688 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 1: last few years in Oklahoma where maybe heading into the 689 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 1: pro level you might have a concern here or there. Well, 690 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 1: I'll tell you guys, frankly, early on, Um, it took 691 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 1: me a while to warm up to Baker Mason Um. 692 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 1: Early in his career. He was h He had quick 693 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 1: and when I say quick feet, I mean whenever there 694 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 1: was any sign of pressure in the pocket, he was out. 695 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 1: He was gone, and and he would tuck it and 696 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 1: he would try and run with the football and creative 697 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 1: play with his legs, and most of his completions were 698 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 1: outside of the pocket. Now he would make some proves 699 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 1: from inside the pocket flowing down filled, but the quick 700 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 1: stuff he would trying to get outside. And I thought 701 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 1: that's a problem with his vision. You know, Oklahoma has 702 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 1: huge offensive line that that have the last couple of 703 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 1: years under built, beating boat offensive line. Coach. I thought 704 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 1: he was having problems seeing the field and I had 705 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,240 Speaker 1: to get outside the pocket to get comfortable to make 706 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:56,480 Speaker 1: those throws. As he progressed, the better he got no 707 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 1: problem in the pocket. He got to where he trusted 708 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 1: his offensive line. Uh, he would sit in the pocket, 709 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 1: go to read one, two and three, and then deliver 710 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,600 Speaker 1: it down and if something wasn't there, then if the 711 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,200 Speaker 1: present came, he would get outside of the pocket and 712 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 1: instead of just chucking in and try and go get 713 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,160 Speaker 1: the first down, he would you know, he would create 714 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,400 Speaker 1: some staff, let his receivers work in the scrambled drill, 715 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:20,440 Speaker 1: and he would hit him for big plays over the 716 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:24,479 Speaker 1: top or convert first down. So early on, I think 717 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,440 Speaker 1: the clock in his head was a problem, and he 718 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:30,600 Speaker 1: trusted his athleticism to run more than he did to throw. 719 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,600 Speaker 1: That was a problem earlier on it The grassman, I'm 720 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,239 Speaker 1: telling you, it's really hard to find a flaw to 721 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:43,719 Speaker 1: do that, docor say, Okay, seventy one accuracy completion percentage, 722 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 1: that's that's part of the big twelve. That's part of 723 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,560 Speaker 1: the competition that you're going up against. A lot of 724 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 1: it is the offense, where there's a lot of completions 725 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,960 Speaker 1: that are built into that office. But guys, he's really 726 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,200 Speaker 1: accurate with the football. I mean, there's no dedyeing that 727 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,920 Speaker 1: the deep balls, the the long throws to the sideline 728 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,239 Speaker 1: to comeback stuff on the office that has he's he's 729 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,719 Speaker 1: nowls on all of it. He's he's really developed his 730 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,560 Speaker 1: strength or his accuracy and his arm strength as well 731 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 1: with respect to his attitude. I'm sure that obviously is 732 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,040 Speaker 1: the number two things on the list that people love 733 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:22,480 Speaker 1: to evaluate, digest and over analyze Teddy. You've been around him, 734 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 1: You've seen him up close from afar. You know, why 735 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:29,360 Speaker 1: does the narrative turn to his emotions on the field 736 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,719 Speaker 1: are and negative as opposed to perhaps his emotions on 737 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,000 Speaker 1: the field there as a result of him just wanting 738 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,719 Speaker 1: to be a competitor and feeding off the intensity of 739 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:41,480 Speaker 1: his teammates. So which one is a fairer basis of 740 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,280 Speaker 1: what he stands for and what he demonstrates on the field. 741 00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,840 Speaker 1: I think it's for a story, honestly, do I haven't. 742 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:54,160 Speaker 1: I haven't heard any GMS. I haven't heard any scouts, 743 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:58,760 Speaker 1: head scouts. I haven't heard any head coaches say that, well, 744 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,879 Speaker 1: you know, he's too irie on the field. I think 745 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:06,600 Speaker 1: that's a media narrative. I mean, I think GMS, the 746 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:10,960 Speaker 1: decision makers love to see a player that is fully 747 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,759 Speaker 1: engaged in every single game that he plays against. Meet guys, 748 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,520 Speaker 1: we're talking about the crotch grap that's against Kens. Okay, Kens, 749 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,640 Speaker 1: that's the worst team in the country, and here's the 750 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:25,759 Speaker 1: Heisman Trophy quarterback on the opposite sideline, playing like it's 751 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,839 Speaker 1: the freaking super Bowl. All right. So I've never heard 752 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,239 Speaker 1: a decision maker come out and say we don't like 753 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,319 Speaker 1: his attitude on the field. I think teams love it. 754 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,919 Speaker 1: I think teams love that he's fully engaged no matter 755 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,560 Speaker 1: who the opponent is. Now, you want to get into 756 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,680 Speaker 1: some of the off the field stuff, Okay, fair enough. 757 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,840 Speaker 1: I mean, you know I get that. You know he 758 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,760 Speaker 1: had the incident in Fayetteville. Um, you know, a party 759 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:54,520 Speaker 1: in downtown Fayetteville, arrested for the you know, the public 760 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,799 Speaker 1: in talk. That's a fair criticism and that's a red 761 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:01,240 Speaker 1: flag that you need to investigate their early if you're achieve. 762 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 1: But as far as bey on the field, antics planting 763 00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,640 Speaker 1: the flag after a win against Ohio, staying on the road, 764 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,879 Speaker 1: give me a break, cranch grab against Kansas, they didn't 765 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:14,040 Speaker 1: shake his hand at you know, for the coin toss 766 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:17,520 Speaker 1: in the beginning. He loves to compete and he's gonna 767 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,960 Speaker 1: he's gonna go out there and where is I'm gonna sleeve? 768 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:24,840 Speaker 1: I think I think decision makers love that topic. Guy Teddy, 769 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,239 Speaker 1: what what one more thing for me on stuff on 770 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,160 Speaker 1: the field from Baker? And you kind of referenced it 771 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,040 Speaker 1: in your first answer watching the tape, he doesn't get 772 00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:33,840 Speaker 1: balls badded down the line of scrimmage. If for a 773 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,240 Speaker 1: guy that's that's barely over six foot, it was amazing 774 00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:41,240 Speaker 1: how little that happened to him. But is there any 775 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:42,920 Speaker 1: issue and we see it with Drew Brees in the 776 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:44,680 Speaker 1: pros he's kind of on his tippy toes back there 777 00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:46,520 Speaker 1: trying to see in the middle of the field. Do 778 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:50,200 Speaker 1: you think he'll have any issues seeing the middle of 779 00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,520 Speaker 1: the field behind the big offensive line. Are team's gonna 780 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:55,600 Speaker 1: have to design an offense to put him on the 781 00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,480 Speaker 1: move maybe a little bit so he doesn't have that issue? 782 00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,239 Speaker 1: Or was that part of that progression you saw over 783 00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,520 Speaker 1: his career there where you think he's gonna be fine 784 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:05,480 Speaker 1: at the pro level, and so I'm just seeing over 785 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:10,320 Speaker 1: those much taller offensive line, Well, it could be a problem. 786 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:14,120 Speaker 1: You know, You've you've got to know the throwing windows, 787 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,000 Speaker 1: You've got to know all that stuff. I mean, here's 788 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:20,160 Speaker 1: my real question with Baker. You know, in almost every 789 00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:24,400 Speaker 1: single game he played in, I think I uh, my 790 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,239 Speaker 1: co host and I went back the other day. We 791 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:30,640 Speaker 1: picked five games of his entire career where he didn't 792 00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,120 Speaker 1: have hands down the best talent on the field. There 793 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,359 Speaker 1: was only five of those games. So when you've got 794 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,960 Speaker 1: the best offensive line, when you've got the best skill guys, 795 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:44,600 Speaker 1: when you've got an unbelievable running game, everything works, it's 796 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,680 Speaker 1: hard to put pressure on him. Whatever, there's a great 797 00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:50,319 Speaker 1: offensive line. So people started dropping, ain't guys and try 798 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,680 Speaker 1: and keep everything in front of him. That's that's one 799 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:54,640 Speaker 1: of the schemes that we saw a lot. And whatever, 800 00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:56,960 Speaker 1: there's only three guys rushing, you don't have any problem 801 00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,359 Speaker 1: seeing through the offensive line. So I'm wondering the film. 802 00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:04,080 Speaker 1: Whenever you have a legit four men rush where you've 803 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,480 Speaker 1: got pressure right, your face right now from a three 804 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:10,200 Speaker 1: technique or a dose plus a good rush in coming 805 00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,840 Speaker 1: around the outside your your receivers. I mean, you're gonna 806 00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,160 Speaker 1: have good receivers, but it's not like you're gonna be 807 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:19,040 Speaker 1: thrown too wide open. Guys that are, you know, five 808 00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:22,120 Speaker 1: six yards open. They're gonna be tight windows. The coverage 809 00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,960 Speaker 1: is gonna be gonna be tighter than you've ever seen. That, 810 00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,480 Speaker 1: the skui's pre snap is going to be better than 811 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,480 Speaker 1: you've ever seen. So, I mean, there are some legitimate 812 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,440 Speaker 1: concerns with Baker and whenever he's not throwing too wide 813 00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,400 Speaker 1: open guys, whenever he's under durest in the pocket, how 814 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,439 Speaker 1: he's gonna react well. One of the players that helped 815 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:43,279 Speaker 1: protect him is Orlando Brown, the left tackle, and at 816 00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:47,080 Speaker 1: six eight, Teddy, there's a lot of question marks about well, 817 00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:50,400 Speaker 1: a guy that tall, does he have the leverage and 818 00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:54,080 Speaker 1: the ability to translate that over to the National Football League. 819 00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,799 Speaker 1: What concerns, if any, do you have in terms of 820 00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,560 Speaker 1: his size and whether or not that's a problem heading 821 00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:03,480 Speaker 1: towards the pros. He's too big for left tackle. I've 822 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,799 Speaker 1: been telling people around Oklahoma for a long time. Uh, 823 00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:10,240 Speaker 1: everyone's so impressed with this side, and yes, it works 824 00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,239 Speaker 1: well in the college game, but in the NFL is 825 00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:16,120 Speaker 1: too big for left tackle. He six ain't. And when 826 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,040 Speaker 1: I think he weighed in at three guys that's down. 827 00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,399 Speaker 1: I mean he's lost way to get down to three five. 828 00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,520 Speaker 1: He's too big. And the problem with being that big 829 00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:29,560 Speaker 1: as as an NFL gum, when you've got a guy 830 00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:33,200 Speaker 1: that's that's that big, you gotta say, Okay, I'm gonna 831 00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:37,839 Speaker 1: be giving up some quickness. I'd better be getting some strength, right. 832 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,800 Speaker 1: And whenever he put up the red flag the fourteen 833 00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:44,880 Speaker 1: bench prayers at the carbine, I think, as a GM, 834 00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,479 Speaker 1: you gotta say, we can't take him in the first 835 00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:50,360 Speaker 1: or second round. If we take him in the first 836 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:55,000 Speaker 1: or second round and he doesn't pan out, people are 837 00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:56,799 Speaker 1: gonna say, how could you ever do that? Look at 838 00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:00,480 Speaker 1: the red flags year athletically at the combine, So I 839 00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:04,800 Speaker 1: think he's gonna fall. But here's the same guys. Whatever. Ultimately, 840 00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,680 Speaker 1: whenever he's a value to tackle, what he's gonna say? 841 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,680 Speaker 1: Does he block people are not? Does he moves people 842 00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,080 Speaker 1: off the ball in the running game, or does he not? 843 00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,080 Speaker 1: Do guys get to the quarterback against him? Whenever he's 844 00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,560 Speaker 1: blocking him, and I'll tell you right now, they do 845 00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,520 Speaker 1: not get to the quarterback, and he moves people off 846 00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,520 Speaker 1: the ball. So if he falls to a third round, 847 00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,160 Speaker 1: someone picks him up in the third round. Lake Sati 848 00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,440 Speaker 1: third round. I think he's the starting right tackle in 849 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,959 Speaker 1: the NFL. Um Now, there's gonna be a learning curve 850 00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:38,360 Speaker 1: for sure. There is any tackle or most tackles whenever 851 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,600 Speaker 1: you get to that level. But he's gonna play in 852 00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,439 Speaker 1: the NFL. I can assure you that. So someone's gonna 853 00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,080 Speaker 1: get some out of you because it's a poor combine 854 00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:49,840 Speaker 1: that he put out there. But he's gonna play in 855 00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:53,440 Speaker 1: the NFL. Teddy, you know, you listen to him talk 856 00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,200 Speaker 1: and he doesn't sound like you're a traditional football player. 857 00:41:56,239 --> 00:42:01,600 Speaker 1: He's he's very thoughtful. He seems very intel legent um. 858 00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:05,120 Speaker 1: Do you get the sense that he really loves to 859 00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,120 Speaker 1: play in the grind of the game or is he 860 00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,600 Speaker 1: one of those kids that, look, my dad played, I'm huge. 861 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:12,640 Speaker 1: I think this really makes sense for me to play. 862 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,440 Speaker 1: What kind of sense do you get from him from 863 00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,880 Speaker 1: that perspective? Is as you well know, that motivation to 864 00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:20,799 Speaker 1: push yourself is a big part of whether or not 865 00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:24,319 Speaker 1: guys make it from college to the pros. He's well 866 00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:28,560 Speaker 1: spoken and he does good in interviews. But a twist 867 00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,839 Speaker 1: that he's a dog's telling you whatever you see him 868 00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:35,399 Speaker 1: live in games. I mean he gets flat, that's I mean, 869 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,800 Speaker 1: it's been a problem before that. He gets the fifteen 870 00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:42,759 Speaker 1: yard after the play. Uh. He he blocks beyond the whistle. Uh. 871 00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,120 Speaker 1: You know when whenever he starts smashing on guys in 872 00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:48,680 Speaker 1: the game, he's talking, he's linked in. He comes over 873 00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:52,200 Speaker 1: and celebrates with the strength and conditioning staff after a 874 00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,040 Speaker 1: drive down and meet him on the field. They got 875 00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:57,400 Speaker 1: a big celebration up the game. There's no doubt in 876 00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,279 Speaker 1: my mind that he is completely locked in with so ball. 877 00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,759 Speaker 1: We're talking about. Teddy Lehman, former Oklahoma and NFL linebacker, 878 00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:07,280 Speaker 1: covers the Oklahoma football team from the sidelines on game days. Teddy, 879 00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,200 Speaker 1: I'm just curious that do you mentioned you think he'd 880 00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,560 Speaker 1: be suitable at right tackle. It's interesting the Giants are 881 00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,640 Speaker 1: trying a similar approach with Eric Flowers. They're starting left 882 00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:16,160 Speaker 1: tackle over the last few years, and they can have 883 00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:19,040 Speaker 1: n't compete a right if you believe he can be 884 00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,440 Speaker 1: effective at right though, And you notice obviously you know, 885 00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:23,759 Speaker 1: there's better than anybody in the NFL. They still move 886 00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:25,920 Speaker 1: the elite pass rushers to the right side and the 887 00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,640 Speaker 1: left side. Why is it that he's more suitable on 888 00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:32,239 Speaker 1: the right side, Orlando Brown at the next level, Well, 889 00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,600 Speaker 1: they do, you're right, Um, absolutely do. They started to 890 00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:39,759 Speaker 1: move those pass rushers around a little bit. But you know, traditionally, 891 00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,000 Speaker 1: whenever you've got a bigger guy that's not as quick, 892 00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:43,880 Speaker 1: you can to put him on the right side. As 893 00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,040 Speaker 1: long as you have a right naded quarterback. It could 894 00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:47,799 Speaker 1: be a little bit different if you've got the left 895 00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,279 Speaker 1: tad that guy. Uh, you know, the quarterback can see 896 00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:53,319 Speaker 1: the pressure from the right side, so the guy that's 897 00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,759 Speaker 1: not nearly as clear, it's harder. You know, if if 898 00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,160 Speaker 1: they can run around on the left, the guy on 899 00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:01,160 Speaker 1: the left, that's the problem worth quarterback, he can't see him. 900 00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,640 Speaker 1: If they run around and beat the guy on the 901 00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,560 Speaker 1: right with quickness, he has the ability to see that 902 00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:08,880 Speaker 1: and he can step up and avoid the rush. So 903 00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,160 Speaker 1: that's why typically you'd see a bigger guy Slill mackay 904 00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:15,120 Speaker 1: on the right hand side. But um, he's still quick. 905 00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,719 Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong. Whenever I say he's big and 906 00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,360 Speaker 1: he's a right tackle. That doesn't mean that he's a 907 00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,200 Speaker 1: stone out there. He's that movie who Got Good to Be. 908 00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,359 Speaker 1: He still can get off the football, and he's got 909 00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:30,200 Speaker 1: really long arms, which is as they talked about walking 910 00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:33,440 Speaker 1: some of those those good uh edge guys. So I 911 00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,840 Speaker 1: think he'll be fine. There may be a team that 912 00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,520 Speaker 1: launch him at last. I mean he's he's super comfortable 913 00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:41,640 Speaker 1: left tackle, and I think they'll be surprised at how 914 00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:45,520 Speaker 1: good he is and how confident he is. You hunching guys. 915 00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:49,640 Speaker 1: The problem with long handed or long armed tackles is 916 00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,879 Speaker 1: if they start lunching that guys and and someone can 917 00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,560 Speaker 1: break the hands, they're dead. They're beat right there. But 918 00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,640 Speaker 1: he's so confident. He's got great foot wark. He just 919 00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:00,920 Speaker 1: sits there, went for them, w for those guys to 920 00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,040 Speaker 1: come to him, and he just swallow them up. We're 921 00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:09,240 Speaker 1: joined by Teddy Lehman. He does sidelines for Oklahoma. Former 922 00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,480 Speaker 1: NFL linebacker. Ted you want one to the tight end position. 923 00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:12,879 Speaker 1: I'm not sure we're going to see a tight endle 924 00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,000 Speaker 1: in the first round of the draft this year. And 925 00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:18,799 Speaker 1: Mark Andrews your tight end um. How would you characterize him? 926 00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,640 Speaker 1: Is he very much right now more of a receiving 927 00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:23,320 Speaker 1: tight end. Is he more of a blocker? Does he 928 00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,160 Speaker 1: do both? Um? What have you seen from him? Watching 929 00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:29,879 Speaker 1: him in Oklahoma? But he's alway sothing tight end. There's 930 00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:35,000 Speaker 1: no doubt about that. I'd say percent of his snaps 931 00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:38,840 Speaker 1: were taken from the spot. Uh in college. Uh, you 932 00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,200 Speaker 1: know what if we can the short yardage stuff and 933 00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,280 Speaker 1: you know, they worked him in with some boot stuff 934 00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:45,279 Speaker 1: on the line of scriments a little bit more this year. 935 00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:48,760 Speaker 1: I think, just to him out with the Mathew Award, 936 00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,360 Speaker 1: the tied end of war, he's gonna take examount of 937 00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:56,040 Speaker 1: snaps from that that traditional position. But he's a receiving guy. Now, 938 00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,560 Speaker 1: he's busy enough to be an inline tied end. That's 939 00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,400 Speaker 1: just how Oklahoma Houston right. That's not to say that 940 00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:04,680 Speaker 1: he can't in the NFL. Get down there. I'm telling 941 00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:08,520 Speaker 1: you guys, he's since foot five, he's two hundred, two 942 00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:12,200 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty pounds. He could learn. He's deceivingly found. 943 00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,120 Speaker 1: He's got great hands and the slide's got a great 944 00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:18,600 Speaker 1: fell for settling down in zilone coverages and finding the 945 00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:22,640 Speaker 1: holes in zione coverages. I mean, he's been coached as 946 00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:26,560 Speaker 1: a wide receiver pretty much his entire career, so he 947 00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:30,880 Speaker 1: gets the nuance of the route running and understanding defenses 948 00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,919 Speaker 1: and coverages. So I think that's the big positive for him. 949 00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:37,080 Speaker 1: He's got an opportunity to guys in the NFL to 950 00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,600 Speaker 1: be a superstar. I mean, he's got a rare combination 951 00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:45,280 Speaker 1: of size, hands and speed that you just don't find 952 00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:47,960 Speaker 1: it at the tight end spot. So I'll be interested 953 00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:49,600 Speaker 1: to see where he goes. If he goes somewhere with 954 00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,880 Speaker 1: the good quarterback, it could be a huge weapon. Well, 955 00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:56,759 Speaker 1: speaking of the receiving position and the blocking position. And 956 00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,759 Speaker 1: I want to jump to Dmitri Flowers Teddy and he's 957 00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,640 Speaker 1: a freaking to me because everybody talks about this running 958 00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:04,839 Speaker 1: back class and there's a lot of depth, and I 959 00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,560 Speaker 1: feel as if Flowers maybe a guy that is almost 960 00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,759 Speaker 1: a complete back because if how Oklahoma utilized him as 961 00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:15,239 Speaker 1: a receiver, he seems to be somebody that embraces physical contact. 962 00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,239 Speaker 1: I guess the question is, you know, can he be 963 00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,319 Speaker 1: an efficient runner at the next level, because from what 964 00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,680 Speaker 1: I've seen, they used him a lot as a receiver. 965 00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,680 Speaker 1: What do you make a flower skill set? And where 966 00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:28,080 Speaker 1: his main strength is as he makes his way to 967 00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:32,080 Speaker 1: the pros. He's a Swiss Army night. You can do everything. 968 00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,320 Speaker 1: You can line him up the towel back, which Oklahoma 969 00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:36,759 Speaker 1: did at times in hand to eat the football. You 970 00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,200 Speaker 1: can use him as a traditional full back, which they 971 00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:42,239 Speaker 1: did um and he catches the boat really well well 972 00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,520 Speaker 1: out of the back field. They mind him up at 973 00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:48,360 Speaker 1: wide receiver at times, and he can run route. The 974 00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:53,080 Speaker 1: question is, guys, what is he great at. He's not 975 00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,560 Speaker 1: a thumper. He's not a full bounce that you're gonna 976 00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:57,560 Speaker 1: go in there and run eye so and he's just 977 00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:00,000 Speaker 1: gonna smash life. He's not a super he's a position 978 00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:05,200 Speaker 1: and blockers UM as a as a receiver in the NFL. 979 00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:11,080 Speaker 1: He's not athletic enough, in my opinion, to expose the 980 00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:15,880 Speaker 1: super quick, super athletic inside and outside backers in the NFL. 981 00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:20,719 Speaker 1: So is he a running back? No, I wouldn't. I mean, 982 00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,920 Speaker 1: he's capable, but you don't want to hand him the 983 00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:27,759 Speaker 1: ball when you've got a legit running back in the 984 00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,960 Speaker 1: back field. Where Oklahoma had a lot of success was 985 00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:36,200 Speaker 1: defenses didn't really know personnel grouping how to defend Oklahoma 986 00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,319 Speaker 1: because sometimes they line him up on the line as 987 00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:40,560 Speaker 1: a tied end, all right, and then they split him 988 00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:42,879 Speaker 1: out as a wide receiver. Then they having the back 989 00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:46,960 Speaker 1: his teelback, so defensively, what what how do you exactly 990 00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:50,640 Speaker 1: classify him whenever we're trying to put together a game 991 00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,880 Speaker 1: plan and what what comperatures? What you know, Blitz is 992 00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:55,719 Speaker 1: what are we gonna do with him? And so there 993 00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,600 Speaker 1: was a lot of uh defenses kind of guessing how 994 00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:00,600 Speaker 1: they were gonna, you know, all the things that they 995 00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:04,360 Speaker 1: could do. So I don't know, I'm gonna I'm interested 996 00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,040 Speaker 1: to see what happens with him in the NFL up 997 00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,480 Speaker 1: because a lot of guys, I mean, how many teams 998 00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:13,879 Speaker 1: nowadays have a legit fullback I'm telling I'm talking about 999 00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:16,840 Speaker 1: an eye formation guy. It's not a lot. You know. 1000 00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,920 Speaker 1: They asked most of their tight ends to come in 1001 00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:23,399 Speaker 1: the back step off the line as a youth position guy, 1002 00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:25,600 Speaker 1: and they'll run the fullback that way. If they need 1003 00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:28,200 Speaker 1: him to their second or third tied end, we'll do that. 1004 00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:31,719 Speaker 1: So I don't know, man, it's it's I think for 1005 00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:35,360 Speaker 1: the with the right the right team, I think he 1006 00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,000 Speaker 1: could be a really good weapon for you. But it's 1007 00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,960 Speaker 1: it's gotta be the right hit because he's not a 1008 00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:44,000 Speaker 1: traditional tight end. He can't be a hand down block 1009 00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,879 Speaker 1: of nine technique in the NFL. You're not gonna split 1010 00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,200 Speaker 1: him out as wide receiver in the NFL. You're not 1011 00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:51,799 Speaker 1: gonna hand him to follow In the NFL, You've got 1012 00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:54,600 Speaker 1: to use him in all of those different positions. I 1013 00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:58,120 Speaker 1: just don't know what team would do that. Yeah, it's 1014 00:49:58,160 --> 00:49:59,840 Speaker 1: one of those guys when you're right in the right system. 1015 00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:01,959 Speaker 1: He to find a fit for him. Would joined by Teddy. 1016 00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,000 Speaker 1: Lamy does sideline for Oklahoma, and Lance left me the 1017 00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,640 Speaker 1: tough guy, So I'm gonna take it on all right, 1018 00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:13,960 Speaker 1: tell me about ob Ya. Wow, that's pretty good. Thank you, 1019 00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:16,279 Speaker 1: nicely good. But Teddy, I think he need it too 1020 00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:20,960 Speaker 1: hard on himself. He could have the full name. I'm 1021 00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:25,239 Speaker 1: not messing around here. He's showing honestly through practice. I 1022 00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:32,399 Speaker 1: haven't um art is. He's an exceptional talent. He's about 1023 00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:37,320 Speaker 1: two hunt times. He's got good long arms. Uh, he's quick, 1024 00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:42,400 Speaker 1: he's got unbelievably fast, but he's got a good get off. 1025 00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,279 Speaker 1: He can Uh. He's really added the last year. He's 1026 00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:48,200 Speaker 1: added to this pastor of repertoire. Quite a fit. He's 1027 00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:50,400 Speaker 1: got some good County moves. He's got a good spin 1028 00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:52,960 Speaker 1: move once, he can beat you without with speed on 1029 00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,839 Speaker 1: the outside. He's got pretty good hands in place at 1030 00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:58,960 Speaker 1: a good pad level. He's strong enough, strong enough at 1031 00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,560 Speaker 1: the point of attack that he can anchor in and 1032 00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:05,320 Speaker 1: being outside bancker and set the edge of a defense 1033 00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:08,080 Speaker 1: against the point guard or a big tight end is 1034 00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:10,800 Speaker 1: trying to kick him out. So he's still all the tools. 1035 00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:14,360 Speaker 1: Now the question is where are they gonna play. Is 1036 00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,880 Speaker 1: he is tall enough? Is he big enough in the NFL? 1037 00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:23,799 Speaker 1: Is a traditional three four outside backers? Yeah, I don't know. 1038 00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:27,080 Speaker 1: We're talking about Drill SuDS and his and some of 1039 00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:30,600 Speaker 1: those guys. Those are big boys. So I don't really 1040 00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:33,480 Speaker 1: know if he's big enough for that now. Uh Could 1041 00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:37,640 Speaker 1: he be like more of Vermiller type at jack position 1042 00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:42,200 Speaker 1: outside backor Yeah? I think Sony, I think he's got 1043 00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:45,520 Speaker 1: those rush capabilities. If he goes to a good, good coach, 1044 00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:49,280 Speaker 1: I can really home that craft. I wonder if teams 1045 00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:51,920 Speaker 1: are gonna move him to the inside because he looks 1046 00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:56,120 Speaker 1: and moves more like a three four inside backer than 1047 00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:58,719 Speaker 1: he does anything. You know, and he's gonna and he's 1048 00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:02,480 Speaker 1: gonna put some pounds on. So I think athletic enough 1049 00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:04,319 Speaker 1: to where he can you can do all of those 1050 00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:06,920 Speaker 1: things for you. You can turn him to edge rushers, 1051 00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:11,080 Speaker 1: can try him an outside backer. If that really doesn't fit, 1052 00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,600 Speaker 1: maybe you could place him inside packer for some teams. 1053 00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:17,920 Speaker 1: So I think he's athletic enough and big enough that 1054 00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,040 Speaker 1: you could put him at a bunch of different spots. 1055 00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:22,719 Speaker 1: How is he in terms of stopping the run? Does 1056 00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:24,840 Speaker 1: that match his ability to get to the quarterback or 1057 00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:28,799 Speaker 1: is there room to work with there? I think there's 1058 00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:32,319 Speaker 1: room to work. He's good as a backside chase down guy. 1059 00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:35,160 Speaker 1: He'll make a lot of plays. Sometimes he gets a 1060 00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:37,879 Speaker 1: little too overaggressive, then that's it. Cut back on him 1061 00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:41,160 Speaker 1: and and get back to the outside. Uh. I think 1062 00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:44,920 Speaker 1: his his pastume coveragedly quite a bit to be desired 1063 00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:47,359 Speaker 1: as a as a zoom guy, and there's a men 1064 00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:50,200 Speaker 1: demand guy on at the backfield. Uh. That's something that 1065 00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:53,080 Speaker 1: he could work on at the next level, though they 1066 00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:56,359 Speaker 1: probably get better at. But he's a physical guy. He's 1067 00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:59,399 Speaker 1: a good tackling you know, it's really hard to take 1068 00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:03,200 Speaker 1: that because we don't see in the bitch Wells a 1069 00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:07,120 Speaker 1: lot of traditional NFL style running games. So it's toward 1070 00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:10,800 Speaker 1: the gates to those guys. He honestly plays a stand 1071 00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:15,240 Speaker 1: up rush the end and it's you know in this conference, 1072 00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:20,000 Speaker 1: you know, or it's run pass options stuff. So it's 1073 00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,960 Speaker 1: really hard to gage. But just because of the physical nature, 1074 00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:25,919 Speaker 1: the good foot works, the good time level, I'd say 1075 00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:28,600 Speaker 1: that he's gonna be pretty good against the Red. I 1076 00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:31,680 Speaker 1: want to jump over to Davante Lampkin, your defensive tackle. 1077 00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:34,200 Speaker 1: I take a look, and you know, he's a big boy. 1078 00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:37,319 Speaker 1: Obviously he has a lot of physical skills, but it 1079 00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:39,440 Speaker 1: seems to me he just screams one of these guys 1080 00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:41,920 Speaker 1: that probably left school a year too early, and if 1081 00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,359 Speaker 1: he stayed in and got more productive, he could maybe 1082 00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:48,960 Speaker 1: be talking about a Day two selection. Um, what's your 1083 00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:54,479 Speaker 1: take on Lampkin and what his future is in the NFL? Agree? Uh, 1084 00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:57,919 Speaker 1: we were shocked whenever he said that he was going 1085 00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:02,399 Speaker 1: to the NFL. Um. You know, he's an athletic kid. 1086 00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:07,000 Speaker 1: He plays with an extremely high motor, but technique wise, 1087 00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:11,720 Speaker 1: just not there yet. Um, if someone takes a shot 1088 00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,200 Speaker 1: on him, gets him in camp, maybe puts him on 1089 00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:17,320 Speaker 1: the practice squad. I think he's got the physical tools 1090 00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:19,480 Speaker 1: to be able to play at the next level. I 1091 00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:22,480 Speaker 1: really do. Um. You know, whenever he's in, he's a 1092 00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:24,879 Speaker 1: high effort guy, which I love. When did you get 1093 00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:27,920 Speaker 1: one of the big defensive linement that runs sideline the sideline. 1094 00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:31,080 Speaker 1: So he's definitely got the athleticism. It's it's whether or 1095 00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:33,319 Speaker 1: not someone's gonna take a chance on him. It's just 1096 00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:36,200 Speaker 1: done a whole lot of film. They're guys. Whenever you 1097 00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:38,400 Speaker 1: start looking at Lant and I mean there's start a 1098 00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:41,439 Speaker 1: whole lot of Consistency's just took places here and there 1099 00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:43,759 Speaker 1: that he'll be in for a little bit of direction, 1100 00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:45,759 Speaker 1: and you know, he made some place behind the line 1101 00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:49,200 Speaker 1: of scriptics. But he's not he's done it. He's rotating 1102 00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:51,560 Speaker 1: game in, game out type of player for Oklahoma. So 1103 00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:55,160 Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know where he's exactly gonna go. 1104 00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:58,680 Speaker 1: Last one for me. The other player that I'm just 1105 00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:01,360 Speaker 1: curious about is Jake Thomas the corner. I know there 1106 00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:03,800 Speaker 1: was some off the field issues Teddy for him, and 1107 00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:06,920 Speaker 1: you know, the two thousand seventeen production didn't necessarily match 1108 00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,759 Speaker 1: the two thousand sixteen, but he does have perhaps that 1109 00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:13,200 Speaker 1: size that is appealing to some executives at that position 1110 00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:17,120 Speaker 1: where do you see him perhaps bouncing back and does 1111 00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:21,879 Speaker 1: he have the maturity level to be a professional player. Um, 1112 00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:24,239 Speaker 1: you know, he's got really good quickness, he does have 1113 00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:28,000 Speaker 1: some good size. You know, I think he got into 1114 00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:31,000 Speaker 1: some confidence issues, you know, since he gave up a 1115 00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:34,200 Speaker 1: couple of plays. You know, the season prior to his 1116 00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:37,160 Speaker 1: his junior year, he was fantastic. You know, he made 1117 00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:40,919 Speaker 1: some nice interceptions. People you know got scared to throw 1118 00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:44,359 Speaker 1: out him. But this past season, you know, he gave 1119 00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:46,239 Speaker 1: up a couple of big plays and it's like a 1120 00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:50,680 Speaker 1: snowballed on him down the stretching his position there. So, 1121 00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:54,200 Speaker 1: I don't know. He's got some good tools, like I said, 1122 00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:56,680 Speaker 1: the speed, the quickness to change of the ways, and 1123 00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:58,600 Speaker 1: he's got the some of the tools to play in 1124 00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:01,919 Speaker 1: the NFL. Whether or not he's got the confidence level 1125 00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:03,680 Speaker 1: to go out there and cover a big one on 1126 00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:06,520 Speaker 1: one or beat, I don't know. He's gonna have to 1127 00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,440 Speaker 1: to uh take some good coaching. You have some big 1128 00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:14,360 Speaker 1: improvement here over over this last you know, if he 1129 00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:17,680 Speaker 1: gets into an NFL attorney camp, Teddy, great stuff. We 1130 00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,840 Speaker 1: appreciate the time, thanks so much. Awesome insight will be 1131 00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:23,480 Speaker 1: in touchdown the road and hope you enjoy spring football. 1132 00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:27,480 Speaker 1: Thanks a lot, Teddy. Alright, Eddy Lay, great job, good stuff. 1133 00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:29,919 Speaker 1: And you know what I love about that spot right there, Busy. 1134 00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:32,200 Speaker 1: You'll get these guys on from school sometimes and we 1135 00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:34,400 Speaker 1: do our best to avoid these guys, but it happens sometimes, 1136 00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:36,600 Speaker 1: and all they do is throw buckats the whole time. 1137 00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:38,279 Speaker 1: All this guy is great at that. This guy is 1138 00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:40,160 Speaker 1: great at that, This guy is great at that. My 1139 00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:42,200 Speaker 1: first answer to Baker Mayfield lose. You know, when he 1140 00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:44,040 Speaker 1: first started, I had a lot of questions and he 1141 00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:47,480 Speaker 1: was really honest about how he developed about maybe Orlando 1142 00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:49,480 Speaker 1: Brown might be that might have to bend in the 1143 00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:51,719 Speaker 1: physics and the and the quickness to to play left 1144 00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:53,399 Speaker 1: tackle on the pros. I thought there was some great 1145 00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:55,160 Speaker 1: insight there. Yeah, no, I agree with you. I mean 1146 00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:58,440 Speaker 1: the discussion about Baker Mayfield having the tendency to run 1147 00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:00,279 Speaker 1: out of the pocket early in his career here and 1148 00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:03,120 Speaker 1: not be patient in the pocket and settled down and 1149 00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:06,040 Speaker 1: observed the field, and you know, Orlando Brown maybe a 1150 00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:08,479 Speaker 1: better fit for right tackle. I mean, he certainly didn't 1151 00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:10,279 Speaker 1: hold back. But I mean Teddy played in the National 1152 00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:13,000 Speaker 1: Football League, so I think he understands that you don't 1153 00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:15,840 Speaker 1: just come out of college and Whaila, you're a finished product. 1154 00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:19,439 Speaker 1: And then everything is Rosy's rainbows and lollipops. I haven't 1155 00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:21,840 Speaker 1: heard from you in a while, and you're bringing in 1156 00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:24,600 Speaker 1: I'm bringing a vac and I think I want to 1157 00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:26,000 Speaker 1: go back to Dane for a second. Now. Is the 1158 00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:31,760 Speaker 1: interview off the top um? He seems to kind of 1159 00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:34,120 Speaker 1: be on the same page that that I'm on. I 1160 00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:36,200 Speaker 1: think he's probably a little bit more pro quarterback than 1161 00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:38,640 Speaker 1: you are for the Giants early in the draft, but 1162 00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:44,320 Speaker 1: you know, he really doesn't seem to love the idea 1163 00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:47,000 Speaker 1: of going running back in the That was the gist 1164 00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:49,480 Speaker 1: I got out of that from the value standpoint, though 1165 00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:51,920 Speaker 1: it wasn't necessarily Parkley not being the player. So he 1166 00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:53,880 Speaker 1: said he's a great player, but in fact that there's 1167 00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:56,240 Speaker 1: depth at that position and a lot of other options. 1168 00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:58,920 Speaker 1: Later on, and he made the point that position values 1169 00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:00,959 Speaker 1: and not even we usually asked the question, we didn't 1170 00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,440 Speaker 1: have to ask the question. He brought it up himself, 1171 00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:06,200 Speaker 1: the position value of the guard and the running back 1172 00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:09,680 Speaker 1: at two and is it there? But he really seems 1173 00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:12,440 Speaker 1: something Bradley Chubb is a good enough defensive end and 1174 00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:15,080 Speaker 1: pass Rusher to warrant the second overall pick. He's the 1175 00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:17,280 Speaker 1: third highest player on his big board Bottle, and then 1176 00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:19,560 Speaker 1: after that it seems as if he feels well. We 1177 00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:22,440 Speaker 1: asked him his prediction, and his prediction was quarterback that 1178 00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:26,320 Speaker 1: if Donald's off the board, then Rosen would be somebody 1179 00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:28,520 Speaker 1: that the Giant should at least consider, meaning that they 1180 00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:30,240 Speaker 1: want to at least go in the direction of having 1181 00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:33,320 Speaker 1: a successor in place or more competition to replace the 1182 00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:35,760 Speaker 1: line man. Yeah, and look, and you know, I feel 1183 00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:37,840 Speaker 1: if Donald's there, I think, I think he's a guy 1184 00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:41,520 Speaker 1: you gotta take. But if he's not, I understand why 1185 00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:44,360 Speaker 1: you would take Rosen. I understand why you would take Mayfield. 1186 00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:46,760 Speaker 1: I understand why you would take Barkley or Chubb even 1187 00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:48,880 Speaker 1: I really do. I get it. I get all of that. 1188 00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:51,520 Speaker 1: I really do. I understand it. So I think the 1189 00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:53,600 Speaker 1: Giants have a lot of great options. And I was 1190 00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:55,560 Speaker 1: having a fun conversation back and forth a couple of 1191 00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:58,280 Speaker 1: people on Twitter this morning. Was actually good reasonable discourse 1192 00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:00,240 Speaker 1: when you discuss things we don't normally get that. It's 1193 00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:03,960 Speaker 1: fun um and I think it's important for the Giants. 1194 00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:05,440 Speaker 1: And if you look at all the mock drafts, and 1195 00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:07,240 Speaker 1: this will be my last point before we say goodbye. 1196 00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:10,200 Speaker 1: Nobody has any idea what the Giants are doing here. 1197 00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:13,560 Speaker 1: You see names all over the place. You see Nelson, 1198 00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:17,200 Speaker 1: you see Chub, you see Barkley, you see quarterback, you 1199 00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:20,600 Speaker 1: see trade down. And that's so important for the Giants 1200 00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:23,280 Speaker 1: to have out there right now, because the best way 1201 00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:27,400 Speaker 1: you maximize the value of that pick is for other 1202 00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:30,400 Speaker 1: teams not to know what you're going to do with it. 1203 00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:33,520 Speaker 1: You know, are the Broncos scared you gonna take a quarterback? 1204 00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:36,320 Speaker 1: Then maybe they'll trade up. Are the Bills a phrase 1205 00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:38,040 Speaker 1: you gonna take a quarterback? Well, then maybe they got 1206 00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:39,800 Speaker 1: to move up higher than five or six, and they 1207 00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:43,080 Speaker 1: gotta give up a little bit more. Even even a 1208 00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:47,280 Speaker 1: team like the Browns, if they think the Giants gonna 1209 00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:50,200 Speaker 1: take the player they really wanted four, do they say, 1210 00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:52,520 Speaker 1: we have so many picks, maybe it's worth us to 1211 00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:55,400 Speaker 1: to move a second round pick to to just move 1212 00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:58,240 Speaker 1: up to spots. And for the Giants that might be 1213 00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:00,320 Speaker 1: worth it depending on who they're looking to sell. So 1214 01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:04,000 Speaker 1: I think it's it's fantastic, especially given what's happened in 1215 01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:06,720 Speaker 1: the last couple of years that there seems that nobody 1216 01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:08,600 Speaker 1: seems to have any clue what the Giant's gonna do 1217 01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:10,920 Speaker 1: right now with that second overall pick. Well, you have options, 1218 01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:13,080 Speaker 1: and that's another reason why the Giant should be in 1219 01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:15,600 Speaker 1: no rush until Cleveland makes the pick. And once Cleveland 1220 01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:17,360 Speaker 1: makes the pick, then you can assess whether or not 1221 01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:19,840 Speaker 1: you want to move down, you want to take a player, 1222 01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:21,600 Speaker 1: you want to go to a quarterback. I think it's 1223 01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:23,760 Speaker 1: good to have options. And I don't think that Dave 1224 01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:26,520 Speaker 1: Gentleman's complaining that all of these various stories are coming 1225 01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:29,920 Speaker 1: out because he's just sitting back, relaxing and let the speculation. 1226 01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:32,200 Speaker 1: It's the same thing with the Cleveland narrative. Now that 1227 01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:35,240 Speaker 1: you know, maybe they're addressed in Alan. So maybe now 1228 01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:37,240 Speaker 1: that all of a sudden gets a team excited that 1229 01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:40,000 Speaker 1: if Donald is still there on the board at number two, 1230 01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:41,680 Speaker 1: maybe it makes sense for a team to call up 1231 01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:45,840 Speaker 1: the Giants or something like that. The best thing I 1232 01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:49,360 Speaker 1: said it before, I've talked to people in Cleveland. I 1233 01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:52,480 Speaker 1: have still have the seventy Donald thing going on. So 1234 01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:55,680 Speaker 1: I'm so pretty confident that they're gonna take Donald. The 1235 01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:58,120 Speaker 1: best thing that could happen to the new York Football Giants. 1236 01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:01,120 Speaker 1: So the pronounce to take Josh Allen, Oh, absolutely, that 1237 01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:04,360 Speaker 1: would send teams run into the phones to try to 1238 01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:06,480 Speaker 1: trade up the draft. Sam Donald, I will believe it 1239 01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:09,600 Speaker 1: when I see it. Yeah, I don't buy anything at 1240 01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:11,400 Speaker 1: this point. I just read it for what it is. 1241 01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:14,280 Speaker 1: It's speculation. People need to come up with content because 1242 01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:16,520 Speaker 1: we're still a few more weeks away, and it is 1243 01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:18,919 Speaker 1: what it is. But the evaluation of the players don't 1244 01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:21,000 Speaker 1: change regardless of the speculation. It is silly, though. It 1245 01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:22,920 Speaker 1: doesn't benefit the Browns to lie about that. I mean, 1246 01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:24,440 Speaker 1: they have the first pick. They could do whatever they want. 1247 01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:26,560 Speaker 1: They don't have to convince anybody who they're gonna pick. 1248 01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:28,640 Speaker 1: They got the first pick. They're not trying to fool 1249 01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:31,640 Speaker 1: anyone behind them. So well, and this is another reason, 1250 01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:33,920 Speaker 1: you know, just another side note as to why you 1251 01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:36,760 Speaker 1: can only you know, put so much stock and substance 1252 01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:38,440 Speaker 1: into the stories you read. You have to understand it's 1253 01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:41,240 Speaker 1: not just the team executives, John, it's the agents, it's 1254 01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:43,800 Speaker 1: the players themselves. There's a lot of different parts to 1255 01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:47,000 Speaker 1: this equation. And agents are trying to sell their clients. 1256 01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:49,920 Speaker 1: They're trying to gain leverage in the conversation and if 1257 01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:53,120 Speaker 1: they get chatter around, well, you know, Cleveland's talking about 1258 01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:56,000 Speaker 1: Josh Allen. Maybe other teams are like, well, wait, Cleveland 1259 01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:57,720 Speaker 1: puts a lot of stock at Josh Allen. Maybe we're 1260 01:01:57,760 --> 01:01:59,720 Speaker 1: dismissing it. I'm not saying that's how it works, but 1261 01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:02,880 Speaker 1: it doesn't hurt that if you're the client or you're 1262 01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:05,760 Speaker 1: the representatives. So that is also something that I think 1263 01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:09,120 Speaker 1: can't be dismissed from the equation. Absolutely, guys, great stuff. 1264 01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:12,800 Speaker 1: Thank you to Dane, Thank you to Teddy too. Awesome guests. Tomorrow, 1265 01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:18,600 Speaker 1: we're doing four schools. We got Colorado, Isaiah Oliver, you, 1266 01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:23,440 Speaker 1: Teh Will Hernandez, NC State, Bradley Chub, University of Texas, 1267 01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:26,120 Speaker 1: San Antonio, Marcus Davenport, and we'll try to squeeze in 1268 01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:28,240 Speaker 1: your calls in between. Good luck and it'll be a 1269 01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:30,720 Speaker 1: lot of fun everybody. And on Friday, by the way, 1270 01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:33,520 Speaker 1: we got um Phil Savage, who runs a Senior Bowl 1271 01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:36,840 Speaker 1: and does radio for Alabama, booked for noon on Friday 1272 01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:38,560 Speaker 1: with me and Feagles. And then we have Dani Rolovski, 1273 01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:41,440 Speaker 1: as I mentioned before, former NFL quarterback on the Quarterback 1274 01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:44,280 Speaker 1: Class at twelve thirty. So more good guests continue and 1275 01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:46,880 Speaker 1: then next week will continue doing our prospects from the 1276 01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:49,400 Speaker 1: schools as well. For Lance Matalium, John Schmilk. That's big 1277 01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:52,560 Speaker 1: Blue Kick go live on this Wednesday. We only have 1278 01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:56,280 Speaker 1: two weeks until the draft. That's a positive, big positive. 1279 01:02:56,640 --> 01:02:57,800 Speaker 1: We'll see tomorrow. Have a good one