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Speaker 1: And we are back.

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Speaker 3: I'm Dale LOLLI he is the Matt Williamson and this

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Speaker 3: is the start of our number two of the Drive

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Speaker 3: here on the Steelers Audio Network. And Matt people can

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Speaker 3: get off our backs on this DFS stuff. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 3: we're wearing the money, baby, we wearing the money.

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Speaker 1: We're strong.

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Speaker 3: Bo Nicks a quarterback, only eleven point eight percent ownership.

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Speaker 3: We got nineteen point four to two points out of

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Speaker 3: mister Nix. He didn't run as much this week.

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Speaker 1: No, it's been a little bit down. But he's feeding

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Speaker 1: Courtland Sutton and he's playing well and they're getting a

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Speaker 1: lot out of him. Could he challenge Shadan Daniels for

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Speaker 1: Rookie of the Year. The odds are opposite direction. The

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Speaker 1: odds are closing on that. Oh is it? Yeah, I've

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Speaker 1: just thrown it out there. I didn't know that. Uh.

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Speaker 3: We had Kareem Hunt in the lineup. He had sixty

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Speaker 3: eight rushing yards, nineteen receiving yards, three catches. Not a

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Speaker 3: great week, but sixty point eight percent ownership, so everybody

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Speaker 3: had him.

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Speaker 1: I'm shocked that he was that heavily owned. No, Carolina's

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Speaker 1: run has been awful.

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Speaker 3: Tyrone Tracy, we got ten points out of him forty

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Speaker 3: two rushing yards, he had four catches for twenty eight yards.

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Speaker 1: He did fumble.

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Speaker 3: Eleven point eight ownership. Point eight percent ownership. He got

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Speaker 3: ten points.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so that's an okay investment.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we stacked Courtland Sutton with bo Nicks.

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Speaker 1: That worked out well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, eight for ninety seven and both receiving touchdowns. Twenty

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Speaker 3: nine point seven points out of mister Sutton. Thirty seven

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Speaker 3: point three percent ownership.

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Speaker 1: Wow, they have a really good thing going and he's

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Speaker 1: playing better than ever. So I think he's a wide

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Speaker 1: receiver tow the rest of the way. Yeah, like that right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's like the only show in town.

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Speaker 3: I'd rather have him and Tyreek Hill at this point.

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Speaker 3: Tyreek Hill five catches, forty eight yards, nine point eight points.

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Speaker 3: He just doesn't look right. Eleven point three percent ownership.

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Speaker 3: We should have gone Waddle.

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Speaker 1: And Waddle and John new are the guys getting all

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Speaker 1: there were the big production John who has been producing

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Speaker 1: every week, even every week.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we had Nico Collins in the lineup, fourteen point

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Speaker 3: two percent ownership, five catches, ninety two yards in a touchdown.

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Speaker 1: That could have been a lot bigger too. I think

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Speaker 1: it was one of the very first players of the game.

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Speaker 1: They threw him a bubble they took to the house. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: illegal prostidure or something they went downfield, yeahs or something

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Speaker 1: like that. My Luke scoon Maker call. That was great.

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Speaker 3: Twenty point seven percent ownership, So a lot of people

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Speaker 3: were thinking the same way there. But we got fourteen

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Speaker 3: and a half points out of him, three catches, fifty

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Speaker 3: five yards and a tuddy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was monstrous. I mean even just the three

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Speaker 1: catches would have been a win. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Three for three for fifty five would have been okay.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, But get a touchdown.

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Speaker 3: There, wide open down the middle of the field, you

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Speaker 3: like it. The Austin Ekelar call did not work out.

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Speaker 3: Fifty six hundred points. None of the Washington running backs

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Speaker 3: He had four point four points, four point one percent

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Speaker 3: ownership and got hurt at the end of that one.

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Speaker 3: And the Broncos def.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, twenty four points pulled us out. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Twenty four point two percent ownership on that one. Five sacks,

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Speaker 3: an interception, a fumble recovery, they got ten points. So

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Speaker 3: we finished with one twenty nine point seven two points. Respectable.

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Speaker 3: Not a great week, but good enough to get us

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Schoonmaker's probably the best call. The Denver hookup was great.

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Speaker 3: He is he going to be seventy two hundred dollars

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Speaker 3: every week from here on out, because I mean Nico

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Speaker 3: Collins was seventy six hundred. You know, maybe a couple

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Speaker 3: you're just not gonna know in that Miami offense.

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Speaker 1: I know, I just think Tyreek.

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Speaker 3: I just think he's heard. He's dealing with stuff and

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Speaker 1: It's just not his year in the receiver pecking order.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they play Thanksgiving that we'll have to put together

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Speaker 3: a Thanksgiving Wednesday Wednesday. Yeah, since we got three games

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Speaker 3: that they actually four with the Black Friday game.

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Speaker 1: I forgot about that too, So he got four games standalone. GA.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so probably do that. But we finished in the

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Speaker 3: money and that's all that matters. Good good looking At

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Speaker 3: this week's top performers. Caleb Williams topped the list with

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Speaker 3: three hundred and forty passing yards two touchdowns. Sam Darnold

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Speaker 3: had three thirty and two touchdowns, none of which went

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Speaker 3: to Justin Jefferson uh two Attagovailoa three seventeen and four

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Speaker 3: touchdowns despite not going to Tyreek Hill in those situations.

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Speaker 1: Last couple weeks have been really good for Caleb Williams

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Speaker 3: Yeah, those are the only three hundred yard passers this week.

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Speaker 3: Baker Mayfield at two ninety four no touchdowns, Kyler Murray

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Speaker 1: And inconsistent is a fantasy performer and doesn't run as

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Speaker 3: Will Lewis despite getting sacked eight times through for two

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Speaker 3: seventy eight and two touchdowns. Crazy game, Yeah for him,

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Speaker 3: really crazy game. I think that's what you kind of

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Speaker 3: get with him. Rounding up the top ten in yardage

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Speaker 3: for the quarterbacks, Jade and Daniels had two seventy five

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Speaker 1: Yeah, which is odd. I mean they ran all their

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Speaker 1: That's good for him. Yeah. Uh.

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Speaker 3: Looking at the rushing leaders for this week, only four

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Speaker 3: guys over one hundred yards.

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Speaker 1: Saquon Barkley.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, two fifty five, two touchdowns, over three hundred total yards.

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Speaker 3: If you had him in your lineup this week, congratulations

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Like, if we he's first picking the draft, if

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Speaker 3: He's on pace right now to break the all time

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: It's like twenty five, eight or eighteen whatever it is

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Speaker 1: Like I would much rather have him than Henry. And

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Speaker 1: Henry's good. I mean he catches the all not a

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Speaker 1: great amount. He's also got twelve touchdowns this year, which

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Speaker 1: he could have twenty five touchdowns you're talking off there.

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Speaker 1: He's been stopped I think somewhere between eight and ten

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Speaker 1: times on the one. Yeah, and of course he touch

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Speaker 1: push it from there, you know, right, So he's on

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Speaker 1: the wrong team for that part.

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Speaker 3: Tony Pollard had one nineteen in the touchdown.

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Speaker 1: He's been better than people realized too. Yeah, he's a

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Speaker 1: quality fantasy asset.

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Speaker 3: Aaron Jones won six in a touchdown.

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Speaker 1: There was some talk that Akers was going to start

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Speaker 1: eating into his production and Jones had like eighty five

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Speaker 1: I mean that he could going in. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I had him in my other DFS line, my single

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Speaker 3: one that I put together. He was my flex So

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Speaker 3: it could have been bigger about that, Yeah, but it

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Speaker 3: could have been a bigger day. And then Josh Jacobs

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Speaker 3: against San Francisco twenty crazy twenty six carries one hundred

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Speaker 1: Yeah, doesn't break the long ones like Sakuon, but he

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Speaker 1: just chunk after chunk after Yeah, just running through them.

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Speaker 3: Jami or Gibbs just missed with twenty one for ninety

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Speaker 3: and two touchdowns. Dave Montgomery got hurt in that game.

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Speaker 3: Short week too, short week, so I would not expect

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Speaker 3: to see him on Thursday. And that makes Jaws. That

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Speaker 3: makes Sai Jamior Gibbs very attractive, gives.

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Speaker 1: It someone that could even challenge Henry Barkley for RB

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Speaker 1: one with Montgomery, like we're doing Arbie ranks. He'd be real.

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Speaker 3: Twenty one carries in two touchdowns, plus he catches the

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Speaker 1: And he looks phenomenal.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Bucky Irving had twelve for eighty seven of a touchdown.

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Speaker 3: But they still it gets weltered though. They split that

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Speaker 3: package up down so crazily. It's I can't make any

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Speaker 1: Irving somebody I want in Dynasty. I think next year

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Speaker 1: is the year you draft them high. It's been a

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Speaker 1: really good story. But they run the ball a lot,

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Speaker 1: and I think they like the other guys still, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he went down to the one and had a bunch

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Speaker 1: of catches in that game too. Oh, I know, White's

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Speaker 1: you know he is starting to take it over. But

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Speaker 1: it's a little frustrating because the pie could be even bigger. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Rico Daldell had nineteen for eighty six. His long run

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Speaker 3: seventy four in a touchdown, Right, that's all you need.

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Speaker 3: Karen Williams had sixteen for seventy two in a touchdown.

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Speaker 1: He got zero targets and I think zero targets the

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Speaker 1: week before. Yeah, that's that's not promising for them. I

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Speaker 1: mean when cupping the cooper out there, that's where the ball.

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Speaker 1: He basically gets all the carries on that offense. Yes,

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Speaker 1: the one of his problems fumbles. He fumbles, but he's

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Speaker 1: really good in protection. Yeah, he got ran over a

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Speaker 1: couple times, but he ye, I mean he's sticks your

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Speaker 3: Kareem Hunt had sixteen for sixty eight. He was a

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Speaker 3: number ten leading rusher this week. Anthony Richardson just missed.

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Speaker 3: He had ten carries in a game for sixty one

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Speaker 3: yearns he.

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Speaker 1: Could have a much bigger fantasy dam there were some

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Speaker 1: big drops and his stat line looks worse than what

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Speaker 1: he really did.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, receivers, we had nine over one hundred yards this week.

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Speaker 3: Jordan Addison, taking advantage of Justin Jefferson getting basically a

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Speaker 3: triple team to had eight for one sixty two in

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Speaker 1: Hawkinson benefited too.

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Speaker 3: Jalen wall I don't eight for one forty four in

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Speaker 3: a touchdown. Trey McBride twelve for one thirty three. He

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Speaker 3: everything was going to do. Hi, I don't know why

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Speaker 1: Well, they don't. They don't use them. McBride's probably the

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Speaker 1: think that kind of target ship absolutely. I take him

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Speaker 3: Jakobe Meyers had ten for one to twenty one, but

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Speaker 3: Uh Malik Neighbors six for sixty four. That was all

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's always that that issue. Just looking at some

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Speaker 3: Yes, you got thirty two rushing yards out of Tommy DeVito,

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Speaker 1: Who's the best team that division? I don't know. I

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Speaker 3: I don't think they want to play that way. I

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Speaker 1: I do think that they will.

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Speaker 1: They've been leaning on Herbert more in their run game

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Speaker 3: Let's get to a break that's going to do it

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Speaker 3: He is the Matt Williamson and Matt Steelers Bengals this week.

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Speaker 3: Bengals coming off of a bye, the Steelers getting a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why the Tomlin news conference moved to two

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Speaker 1: pretty pivotal divisional game. I mean, especially from the Bengals perspective.

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Speaker 1: If I'm looking at this from Cincy, like we lose

442
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Speaker 1: this one, it could be you know, Curtains.

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Speaker 3: Here's the thing in his career against the AFC North

444
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Speaker 3: Joe Burrow two and five against the Browns, Okay, three

445
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Speaker 3: and six against the Ravens, three and two against the Steelers,

446
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Speaker 3: doesn't have a great divisional record against the games to

447
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Speaker 3: see him more often, and the fact that he's only

448
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Speaker 3: played five games against the Steelers.

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Speaker 1: Yea, why they have so much lesson that.

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Speaker 3: It's almost like the Lamar thing where he just missed

451
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Speaker 3: a bunch of games against.

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Speaker 1: Those incidents or whatever. Yeah, because he I mean, this

453
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Speaker 1: is his fifty year in the league. He played it

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Speaker 1: five times. Yeah, that's sort of Lamar like in terms

455
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Speaker 1: of frequency.

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Speaker 3: In those games, Burrow is completing sixty four point four

457
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Speaker 3: will give him the extra that will the percent of

458
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Speaker 3: his passes eleven touchdowns, eight interceptions, the eight interceptions.

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Speaker 1: Just Steeler games Yeah, the.

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Speaker 3: Most he's thrown against any team, even though he's only

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Speaker 3: played them five times. He's played the Ravens vee times.

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Speaker 3: That's the most he's played any team. He has twenty

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Speaker 3: one touchdown passes, five interceptions against the Ravens.

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Speaker 1: Against the Ravens, he has eleven touchdown passes all over

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Speaker 1: the field type of games.

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Speaker 3: Against the bank or the Browns, he has, Remember they're

467
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Speaker 3: two and five. Against the Browns twelve touchdown passes, five

468
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Speaker 3: interceptions against the Steelers eleven touchdown passes, eight interceptions.

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Speaker 1: Wow. So the touchdown.

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Speaker 3: Passes are in line with yea, with what he's done

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Speaker 3: against the other teams. But the interceptions he's there was

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Speaker 3: are more than almost two per game against the Steels.

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Speaker 1: How about that. I mean they're good at causing turnovers.

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Speaker 1: They rush the passer. I mean that's not news to

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Speaker 1: any of our listeners.

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Speaker 3: They've sacked him fifteen times in five games.

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Speaker 1: That's actually where I was about to go, is I

478
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Speaker 1: would before the Browns game, I was expecting the pass

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Speaker 1: rush numbers for the Steelers to really spike these two

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Speaker 1: weeks in particular, and it didn't happen against the Browns.

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Speaker 1: This group though, their line's not great. They play a

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Speaker 1: sixth offensive lineman a pretty high percentage of the time

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Speaker 1: to help. I don't know if Orlando Brown's gonna help

484
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Speaker 1: or not, but I mentioned I was on the air

485
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Speaker 1: with Tim Benz's been a lot of times this year

486
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Speaker 1: that we've previewed the opponent and talk about all the

487
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Speaker 1: old line woes they've had. But the Steelers still don't

488
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Speaker 1: have that six, seven to eight sack type game, you know,

489
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Speaker 1: like the blow up, you know, and there's reasons for it.

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Speaker 1: But I'd love to see that this week, I guess,

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Speaker 1: is my point.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll see if Alex Heismith's able to get back

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Speaker 3: for this game. You know that's a possibility.

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Speaker 1: Uh you know. I mean Mims is now the right

495
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Speaker 1: tackle Orlando Brown. I think he's maybe playing, maybe.

496
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Speaker 3: Not, possibly, maybe not. Yeah, we just don't know. And

497
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Speaker 3: he's just a guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not special, right.

499
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Speaker 3: And their interior line of that line.

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Speaker 1: Is very ordinary, yeah yeah, and Burrow will stand in

501
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Speaker 1: there and take the hit and super competitive and all

502
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Speaker 1: that stuff too. Like they don't want to be a

503
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Speaker 1: get it out of your hands, super quick team with

504
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Speaker 1: those two receivers. They want things to develop and even

505
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Speaker 1: like the Seki's a downfield guys tight ends go. So

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Speaker 1: you would hope the pass rush could rule the day

507
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Speaker 1: in this one more so than it has. Yeah, how

508
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Speaker 1: good they are.

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Speaker 3: I thought Cleveland last week got the ball up quickly

510
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Speaker 3: in the first half. They only threw the ball like,

511
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Speaker 3: I think eleven times in the first half, but it

512
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Speaker 3: was coming out quickly. And then in the second half

513
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Speaker 3: nobody was rushing real well in that second half of

514
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Speaker 3: that game.

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Speaker 1: I mean, all Garrett sacks in the first half, I

516
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Speaker 1: mean it's just a Cleveland's.

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Speaker 3: All four of their sacks were in the first half.

518
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Speaker 3: The Steelers had the one in the second half.

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Speaker 1: For obvious reasons with the extreme snow and just going

520
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Speaker 1: to slow that down.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, the Steelers pass rush has to get home

522
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Speaker 3: in this in this.

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Speaker 1: Like, if you want to end the season and into

524
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Speaker 1: the playoffs like you can and want to, it should

525
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Speaker 1: be on the back of that pass rush and that

526
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Speaker 1: defensive front as a hole. So t J.

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Speaker 3: Watt has five i think it's five seven career interceptions. Okay,

528
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Speaker 3: two of them have come against Burrow where he's just

529
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Speaker 3: basically taking the ball out of the air.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder if that's part of it, just dropping

531
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Speaker 1: him into spots that they don't expect.

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Speaker 3: It's not even dropping and he's just grabbing him on

533
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Speaker 3: as Burrow throws them.

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Speaker 1: I guess they're coming out of.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, snatching him out of the air like he's picking

536
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Speaker 3: a fly out of the air.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, which is really really hard. He's not a few

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Speaker 1: of those of his career. Two of them are against

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Speaker 1: the angles. Yeah, and Burrow knows that. Oh, I'm sure

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Speaker 1: I would think. He brought it up the screens. Yeah,

541
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Speaker 1: he brought it.

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Speaker 3: Up in the offseason like, yeah, you know, I can't

543
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Speaker 3: have t J. Watt picking my passes out of the

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Speaker 3: thin air, you know at the lion.

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Speaker 1: If you're dropping, yeah, or tip balls or whatever too.

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Speaker 3: But he said, obviously reasonable success getting to the quarterback.

547
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Speaker 3: They need TJ. Wat to play TJ wat kind of game.

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Speaker 3: He has twelve sacks in thirteen career games against the Bengals.

549
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Speaker 1: Which is really good. Of course, yeah, right.

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Speaker 3: They need him, And that's the third most that he

551
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Speaker 3: has against any one opponent. He has seventeen against the Ravens,

552
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Speaker 3: seventeen against the Browns, which is the most by any

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Speaker 3: opponent against those two teams.

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Speaker 1: He can't.

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Speaker 3: The Steelers can't let him be blocked out of this game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it needs to get back to elite production. You know,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure he'd be the first to tell you the

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Speaker 1: Browns game wasn't his best performance, and I'm sure ten

559
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Speaker 1: days of stew on it is resonating with him as well.

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Speaker 3: Would you move him around more? I would with high

561
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Speaker 3: Smith not out there, And here's why Herbig is the

562
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Speaker 3: backup at both spots. Him and Smith are the backup.

563
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Speaker 3: Is the backup of both spots, right, so why not

564
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Speaker 3: move Water around a little bit more?

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Speaker 1: The only reason why not is if he doesn't want to,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And I get the impression

567
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Speaker 1: he'd much rather come to the quarterbacks.

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Speaker 3: Right, But I also think I think he's a better

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Speaker 3: rusher from there, but he can also get there from

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Speaker 3: the other side. Yes, And I want him getting to

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Speaker 3: the quarterback and affecting the quarterback and I don't want

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Speaker 3: the opposing offense. And you know he's going to be

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Speaker 3: there every time.

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Speaker 1: I agree, and I I think it greatly affects his

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Speaker 1: bottom line, his production compared to the Bosa, Parsons Garrett

576
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Speaker 1: level guys, you know, like those guys all move around.

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Speaker 1: They they even stunt and loop more than him, and

578
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Speaker 1: that doesn't make them better. It's just it's a disadvantage

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Speaker 1: to him when competing against the elite edge guys in

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Speaker 1: terms of sacks throughout your year or whatever. And it's

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Speaker 1: remarkable that he is unbelievably productive, not doing the same

582
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Speaker 1: thing every snap, but not being as diverse as those guys.

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Speaker 1: And I've always just wondered, does he not want to

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Speaker 1: do it?

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Speaker 3: You know, they thoughts they do it at times. I

586
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Speaker 3: mean there were you know, there was passway too, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: there was there was some that wasn't like he lined

588
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Speaker 3: up out there every single time, but it just you know,

589
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Speaker 3: in those obvious passing downs when the when the deep

590
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Speaker 3: the offense knows that, hey.

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Speaker 1: We get to roll guys that way.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right where the quarter even saw it in the game,

593
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Speaker 3: Like there was some rollout stuff away from him, and

594
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Speaker 3: Winston is not a big rollout guy, but they were

595
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Speaker 3: rolling the pocket away from TJ.

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Speaker 1: Watt and Winston did that stuff better than I expected

597
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Speaker 1: to throw it on the run. And yeah, I'm all

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Speaker 1: in favor of moving them around. And I find it

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Speaker 1: odd that they're so static with him since they made

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Speaker 1: the move with Bud but yeah, which made sense at

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Speaker 1: the time, but most teams aren't left right with their

602
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Speaker 1: edge guys, you know what I mean nowadays, And I'm

603
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Speaker 1: sure he's better on one side, but so what you know.

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Speaker 3: I would even be milling him about a little bit

605
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Speaker 3: like just I want you walking around the line, even

606
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Speaker 3: if you're gonna rush from where you usually rush from.

607
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Speaker 3: I want you walking before the ball is snapped. I

608
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Speaker 3: don't want you setting up out there like you're And

609
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Speaker 3: oftentimes you'll see him out there just he's down in

610
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Speaker 3: his three point stands from you know, waiting to go,

611
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Speaker 3: or he'll go down to one knee while they're barking

612
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Speaker 3: out their signals and stuff. I want you to stand

613
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Speaker 3: up and move around. Maybe you lose three snaps, you know,

614
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Speaker 3: getting off your get offs a little bit slower because

615
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Speaker 3: you're walking around. But if they don't know where you're

616
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Speaker 3: rushing from and they got to try to figure out

617
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Speaker 3: where they're rolling the protection to, yeah that's a win

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Speaker 3: for us.

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Speaker 1: So you see that a lot with Garrett. Like I

620
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Speaker 1: think there are a few elite pass rushers Parsons as well,

621
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Speaker 1: not as much Bosa. They can pick and choose their matchup,

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Speaker 1: you know, like go whatever makes you comfortable will adapt.

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Speaker 1: The best example is Chris Jones. I mean, like Chris

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Speaker 1: Jones is almost blatant about it, like, yeah, I'm dowing

625
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Speaker 1: over the right tackle. You guys figure get out of here.

626
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Speaker 1: You guys figure out where you're right.

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Speaker 3: And they do that because those teams don't have another

628
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Speaker 3: guy mm hm, right, whereas the Steelers have other guys.

629
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Speaker 3: But if what is going to get that kind of attention,

630
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Speaker 3: the other guys have to win consistently.

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Speaker 1: I mean the amount of tention he gets is really valuable,

632
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Speaker 1: but his production could be better, Yeah, I mean just

633
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Speaker 1: in terms of stat lines. So I mean it's a

634
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Speaker 1: great problem to have, it is. I mean, there's no

635
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Speaker 1: doubt the point about high Smith is a good one though,

636
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Speaker 1: because yes, high Smith could come off the quarterbacks right side,

637
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Speaker 1: but he hasn't done a lot of it, because what

638
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 1: hasn't done a lot of it? But the other guys

639
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: are just as happy to doing either way.

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Speaker 3: Right, So, and even you know, there have been times

641
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Speaker 3: when when high Smith has been out there where they've

642
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Speaker 3: because high Smith's you know, early in.

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Speaker 1: His career he was the backup, so he's capable of,

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Speaker 1: you know, not to mention, I mean lining Wadde up

645
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Speaker 1: next to Hayward good luck. Yeah, you know what I

646
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Speaker 1: mean to say the least, I mean bring au blitz

647
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Speaker 1: from the other side. Yeah, a five man pressure with

648
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Speaker 1: the one coming opposite that too, some it's gonna be

649
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 1: hard to deal with. Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 3: I just think when you're not getting home consistently, as

651
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Speaker 3: the Steelers have not been, I get twenty five sacks

652
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Speaker 3: this year this defense, Yeah, this defensive front should not

653
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 3: have twenty five sacks right now, no matter how.

654
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Speaker 1: The opponent plays you, no matter where you'll line, it

655
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Speaker 1: needs to be more than that.

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Speaker 3: And I understand the ball is coming out quickly most

657
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Speaker 3: of the time, but on those instances where it's third

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Speaker 3: and seven or longer, yeah, yeah, I want to I

659
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Speaker 3: want to get after the quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Need more from that. And it's there because on tape

661
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Speaker 1: it's not like, oh, this group isn't very good. Speaking

662
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Speaker 1: of that, Yeah.

663
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Speaker 3: There was an instance last night the Eagles game Eagles

664
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Speaker 3: Rams game where the Eagles chose, after initially declining a penalty,

665
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Speaker 3: to accept the penalty and make it third and longer.

666
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Speaker 1: Yes, it's just yet for.

667
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Speaker 3: Second long whatever. It was third and long second, longer

668
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Speaker 3: than what it would have been. And then they went

669
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Speaker 3: out and got a sack, which is why you accept

670
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Speaker 3: the penalty. And if you're Mike Tomlin in that game

671
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Speaker 3: against the Browns, you accept the penalty because hey, we

672
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Speaker 3: can get a sack and then they're really screwed and

673
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Speaker 3: now they're not even in field goal range here because

674
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 3: it was a two point game or one point game

675
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Speaker 3: at that point.

676
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Speaker 1: Is that I mean, this is not where you were

677
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Speaker 1: going with this. But was that the play where.

678
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Speaker 3: They initially declined. He saw them, he saw them lining

679
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 3: up to go for it. It shouldn't be and they

680
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 3: tried to stop Tomlin from doing that in the game,

681
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 3: and he explained to them, look, I know, I didn't

682
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Speaker 3: know what you guys were calling because like your your

683
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 3: mics weren't working, and so no, I want to accept

684
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Speaker 3: the penalty.

685
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Speaker 1: Because that was odd. Last it was like, uh, and

686
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna change my mind, Yeah, because I.

687
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Speaker 3: See what they're I see what they're doing. It's not

688
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Speaker 3: the way it's supposed to work.

689
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like cheating on the test. Yeah, reading ahead, you.

690
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 3: Know, But it worked in that instance because they went

691
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Speaker 3: and got the sack.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

693
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Speaker 3: If on third and seven the Steelers get a sack,

694
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Speaker 3: nobody's saying Mike Tomlin did the wrong thing.

695
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Speaker 1: No, no, I hear you. So the Steelers have been

696
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: great of winning in the margins. And we always talk

697
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: about hidden yardage and you know a lot of that

698
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: special teams and penalties. By the way, Bengals are really

699
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: good with penalties or turnovers. Of course, sack differential is

700
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Speaker 1: a big thing too. Yeah, and they've been losing that.

701
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: Then they routinely don't lose sack yardage. I mean it's

702
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: one of the most predictive things of what's your plus

703
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: minus sack yardage for the year. The best teams are

704
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: always at the top.

705
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Speaker 3: Yeah, they've not been a heavy, blitziest team this year.

706
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 3: They've been trying to get there with four guys and

707
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 3: they get pressure, the pressure a lot, right, but they've

708
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 3: not been getting the acts that they usually get.

709
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Speaker 1: And I don't think all pressures are created equal either.

710
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: I mean their number I have to double check, but

711
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 1: I think they're numbers. When pressuring the quarterback are outstanding,

712
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: the ridiculous and they're ridiculously good. I mean, when there's

713
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Speaker 1: under pressure compared to other defenses when under pressure. Yeah,

714
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 1: not just first clean pockets, talking about when they get pressure,

715
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: they make account more than anybody.

716
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Speaker 3: Yeah, going into that game against the Browns last week,

717
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 3: that was one of the stats they threw out there.

718
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Speaker 3: They they'd given up a like a QBR rating whatever

719
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Speaker 3: whatever that is, like two, Yeah, like two. I mean,

720
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 3: the worst quarterback in the league has far more than

721
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Speaker 3: a two QBR rating.

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Speaker 1: The other thing, lean pine goes. There's two things that

723
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: also go hand in hand with its too, is they're

724
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Speaker 1: exceptional with batting down passes like rare, which matters on

725
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: a pass rusher situation too. And by far they're number

726
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: one in quarterbacks scrambles, like they're the only team only defense.

727
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 1: The most efficient play in football is a quarterback scramble,

728
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Speaker 1: a called pass that the quarterback that decides.

729
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna go because half the defense as are back

730
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Speaker 3: to the quarterback.

731
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Speaker 1: I mean, like in terms of just yardage per snap,

732
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's the most efficient play in football across

733
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Speaker 1: the league. The Steelers are the only defense that actually

734
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 1: have a positive EPA when the quarterback decides to scramble,

735
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Speaker 1: Like they're happy when you do it. When you do

736
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 1: the most efficient thing in all of football. We benefit

737
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Speaker 1: they're the only team in the middle of the field. Well,

738
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Speaker 1: I also wonder if I'm not saying priorities have changed,

739
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: but if we could be number one in shutting down

740
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: quarterbacks scrambles and be number one at batting down passes,

741
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: but our sack numbers aren't quite as good. Maybe there's

742
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: something tray there too, you know what I mean. And

743
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Speaker 1: definitely against the Lamars and Daniels of.

744
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Speaker 3: The world, because they're still the number two scoring defense

745
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 3: and in.

746
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Speaker 1: The end, all matters is how many points do you

747
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: let up? You know, right? So some of it might

748
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 1: be sort of scheme related that we're so good at

749
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 1: batanow passes and eliminating these really highly efficient plays. We

750
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: don't want to get too far upfield, you.

751
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 3: Know, right, and you're not allowing the ball to get

752
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 3: over your head, right, you know, they're not doing that.

753
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Speaker 1: And the Ravens game is a perfect example, like they

754
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 1: were much better than the people blocking them. Yeah, you know,

755
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,399
Speaker 1: maybe the sacks don't reflect it, but if you watch

756
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: the tape, it's like man Cam is kicking the crap

757
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: that dude. Yeah, Or Benton on pass rushes kicking the

758
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 1: crape and teams like Benton's been really good rushing the pass,

759
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:37,720
Speaker 1: but he is one.

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Speaker 3: Sack, right, you know, yeah, I mean that's that's all

761
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Speaker 3: part of it. You'd like to see those guys get

762
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Speaker 3: home a little. I can remember having that conversation with

763
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Speaker 3: Stuff on to It early in his career, you know,

764
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Speaker 3: when I was hosting the Stuff on to It show

765
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 3: with Jerry Dulac, and you know, he said, he you know, look,

766
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Speaker 3: I'm getting pressure.

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Speaker 1: I'm getting to the quarterback. Yeah, like I'm winning my

768
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Speaker 1: one on one, he said.

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Speaker 3: But a lot of times when I as I start

770
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:02,320
Speaker 3: to get there, I start to chop my feet.

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Speaker 1: A little bit.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, tell you, And he said once he stopped doing

773
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Speaker 3: that once and started running through the quarterback.

774
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Speaker 1: Then you started.

775
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 3: You saw the ten Sax seasons from Stuff on Tour

776
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Speaker 3: or season before then.

777
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Speaker 1: Everything. There's an art to finishing too, yeah, you know,

778
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Speaker 1: without question. So I don't think that the Steelers don't

779
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 1: know how to finish. No, I don't think so either.

780
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Speaker 1: I don't think.

781
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Speaker 3: But maybe it's you know, kean U Benton at this point,

782
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 3: maybe could he could be better at that. But to

783
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Speaker 3: our original point, they're just not getting the sack.

784
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 1: They still need to generate more sacks any which way

785
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: you cut it all coming out quick bat, it passes,

786
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 1: whatever story you want to tell. Twenty five line enough

787
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,399
Speaker 1: No yeah, not in eleven games. No, not for enough

788
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 1: of the talent you have. This is the Panthers pass rush.

789
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Speaker 3: No right, So we'll see see if that changes here

790
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 3: down the stretch. He is the Matt Williamson. I am

791
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Speaker 3: Dale Lolly. You're listening to the drive here on the

792
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,359
Speaker 3: Steelers Audio Network, Matt and I will be back with

793
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 3: more right after this.

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Speaker 1: At least.

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Speaker 2: He's the drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williams side

796
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Speaker 2: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

797
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Speaker 2: and Golds in Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 1: And we are back.

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Speaker 3: I'm Dale LOLLI he is the Matt Williamson and we're

800
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,800
Speaker 3: just talking through all the scenarios here as we finish

801
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Speaker 3: up week thirteen, twelve twelve, I should say we.

802
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: Twelve Thanksgiving, Oh kickoff week thirteen that.

803
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 3: It comes right around the corner here. So the Steelers

804
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 3: sit at eight and three right now. If the playoffs

805
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 3: started today, and I know they are right, they would

806
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 3: be the three seed in the AFC.

807
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:39,399
Speaker 1: Here's what city still want.

808
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, here's what's at stake tonight. A lot, a lot.

809
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 3: So you get the Chargers right now in the five

810
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 3: seed at seven and three, you get the Ravens in

811
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 3: the sixth spot at seven and four. They could flipplop.

812
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 3: If Baltimore wins tonight, right, Baltimore would have the tiebreaker

813
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 3: over the Chargers. The Steelers also have the tiebreaker over

814
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 3: the Chargers and the Ravens right now, for that matter,

815
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,359
Speaker 3: beat them both, had to head, beat them both head

816
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 3: to head.

817
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 1: Of course, there's a Ravens game looming.

818
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Speaker 3: They have the tiebreaker over this team that's in the

819
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Speaker 3: seventh spot, which is Denver, right, wins the big wins. Yeah,

820
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 3: people acting like this this season?

821
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: Is anybody? Yeah? Right? All right?

822
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 3: So you right now, the three teams that are the

823
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,800
Speaker 3: wild cards in the AFC playoff race, you have wins

824
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 3: over all three of them had to head. The four

825
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 3: seed right now is Houston. We've talked about Houston. I

826
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Speaker 3: don't hate that, wouldn't playing Houston if if you had,

827
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Speaker 3: If you had to go to Houston in.

828
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Speaker 1: The first five, you're bad as shape. You might be favored,

829
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Speaker 1: might be favored. I think the Steelers and Ravens will

830
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 1: be favored there. I don't know if like the Chargers.

831
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Speaker 3: The Steelers will be The Steelers are under The Steelers

832
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 3: are underdogs in Cincinnati this week.

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Speaker 1: As you said, it was three or three and a

834
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Speaker 1: half or something like that. Yeah, that seems like.

835
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Speaker 3: A lot three point underdogs, which is kind of crazy

836
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 3: to me, but I get it. I mean, Cincinnati is dangerous.

837
00:37:56,160 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 3: They're dangerous, Yeah, but when you have it in the

838
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 3: eighth spot is Miami at five and six on.

839
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Speaker 1: A three game winning streak, so they're far from out

840
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 1: of it. Yeah. So looking at what Denver has, the

841
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 1: Bengals at nine, Yeah, the Bengals are still a team

842
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 1: I think can make it.

843
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 3: But actually the Colts are at nine, the Bengals are

844
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 3: at ten. Yeah, the Colts have a game in hand.

845
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Speaker 3: They're five and seven, Cincinnati four and seven. Denver right

846
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 3: now has left on their schedule the Browns at home

847
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 3: next week. They're gonna buye this week, then they get

848
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 3: the Colts at home, so back to back home games.

849
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Speaker 3: They get thirteen days off between the Browns and Colts game.

850
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Speaker 3: Oh wow, So I guess that's a Thursday night game

851
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 3: on December second that they come back out of their

852
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 3: buy from Then you get the Chargers in Los Angeles

853
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 3: at the Bengals on December twenty ninth, and then they

854
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,240
Speaker 3: finish up against the Chiefs January fifth.

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Speaker 1: Layups there winnable games for sure, Yeah, but I don't

856
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: see any layups. Maybe the Chiefs are even resting people.

857
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 3: They could be at that point. Miami has remaining the

858
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 3: Packers in Green Bay this week that's Thanksgiving.

859
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're a dog in that game.

860
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 3: They're a dog in that game, yeah, but they could

861
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 3: win it. Then they get the Jets at home.

862
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, that sounds like a win. Yeah. Then they're at

863
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 1: the Texans. I don't know who would pick in that

864
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: game right now, Yeah, subject to change. Then they get

865
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 1: the forty nine Ers at home. Doesn't as bad as

866
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 1: it used to.

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Speaker 3: Then they're at Cleveland on December twenty ninth.

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Speaker 1: Oh, that's just I remember looking at their schedule, going, boy,

869
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Speaker 1: they got some they actually have some weather games late

870
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Speaker 1: in the year. Yeah.

871
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 3: And then they're at the Jets on January fifth, So

872
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 3: they could be back to back weather games for a

873
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 3: team that built for but doesn't handle that way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. The Chargers have a pretty easy schedule.

875
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Speaker 3: The Chargers right now after this game with the Ravens

876
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 3: tonight or at Atlanta. Okay, then they're at the Chiefs,

877
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 3: Buccaneers at home. Maybe it isn't so easy, Broncos at home,

878
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 3: at the Patriots at the Raiders. They finish, they finish

879
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 3: up with those two last split those first four would

880
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 3: be great. Yeah, you can get at least one in that.

881
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 3: You're gonna win ten games.

882
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: So these next four, including tonight.

883
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 3: Why tonight is a big pivotal.

884
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 1: Game for them.

885
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Ravens remaining schedule at the Chargers tonight, Eagles

886
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:42,879
Speaker 3: next week at home. But still the Eagles at the Giants, well,

887
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:46,839
Speaker 3: you're gonna win that one. Steelers at home at the Texans,

888
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 3: and then the Browns at home.

889
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 1: There's a couple losses in there. That's again, that's why

890
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: tonight's game is.

891
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 3: If if the Chargers happen to win this game tonight,

892
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 3: the Steelers don't clinched a division, they still got to

893
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 3: take care of business themselves.

894
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 1: I've heard some arguments why you want the Ravens to

895
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 1: win tonight, and I don't think I'm on board with it.

896
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 3: I think wouldn't you much rather have them have five

897
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 3: losses right now.

898
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, and the head to head against them,

899
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 1: I want to win a division. Yeah yeah, I know

900
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,439
Speaker 1: we were talking about it off the air, but there's

901
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: a logical way of looking at it that the five

902
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:25,839
Speaker 1: seed might have an easier path to the super Bowl

903
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 1: than the three.

904
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, because Houston looks like they're almost locked in as

905
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 3: the four seed.

906
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 1: Right which is doesn't look bad, but it's a road

907
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: playoff game and it's not great, and they might be

908
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: playing a lot better by then than now. You don't know. Now,

909
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 1: you'd love to avoid Buffalo in Kansas City as long

910
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: as you can, especially Buffalo.

911
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 3: To me, you can't avoid them both, right, and then

912
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:47,359
Speaker 3: you got to play them at some point.

913
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 1: Not really how it works.

914
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 3: Here's what Buffalo has left the forty nine ers at

915
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 3: home on December first.

916
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: Are they gonna be like a nine point favored in

917
00:41:58,600 --> 00:41:58,879
Speaker 1: that game?

918
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 3: That's a night game on December first, It's gonna be

919
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 3: a big line. He's gonna be a lot. Yeah, we'll

920
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 3: see what Buffalo or what the forty nine ers have

921
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:07,959
Speaker 3: back at that point.

922
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 1: Then they're at the Rams. That's a week from Sunday. Yeah,

923
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:16,839
Speaker 1: So who's Buffalo played this week off, they don't play

924
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 1: down to last week. They played December first. Is that

925
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 1: that's next uh coming out? Yeah, that's Sunday, Yeah, okay.

926
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 3: Then they play at the Rams, at the Lions, Patriots

927
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 3: at home, Jets at home, and then at the Patriots.

928
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 1: They probably have two losses backs, they're they're.

929
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 3: At least gonna lose one. Yeah, they're at least gonna

930
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:42,760
Speaker 3: lose probably one night. Yeah, there'll be dogs in yeah Detroit,

931
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:46,479
Speaker 3: but that'll be a great game. Yeah, Kansas City still

932
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 3: has Yeah. Now, remember Kansas City has one loss right now,

933
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 3: and they lose the tie breaker to the Bills. They

934
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:58,399
Speaker 3: get the Raiders this week at home, Then they get

935
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 3: the Chargers at home. Then they're at Cleveland, Texans at home,

936
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 3: at the Steelers, at the Broncos.

937
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:11,720
Speaker 1: There's a couple of losses there. They play Black Friday,

938
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 1: but it's not very difficult, no, you know, I mean,

939
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: I'm sure they'll beat the Raiders.

940
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, so, I mean everybody when people start talking about

941
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 3: the Steelers and their tough schedion, yes, they have a

942
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 3: tough schedule on the.

943
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 1: Stretch, it's not unique, but everybody else does too.

944
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 3: No, but then none of those schedules don't have more

945
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 3: losses on them.

946
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: So one angle I kind of think is important, which

947
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 1: really reflects on Steelers Bengals coming up, is I would

948
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 1: I think there's five elite quarterbacks on the planet right now, Mahome,

949
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:48,399
Speaker 1: they're all in the AFC, unfortunately, Borrow, Mahomes, Lamar, Allen Herbert. Now,

950
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: I think Mahomes is one, although he's not playing like

951
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: it at this point, but he's the one I at

952
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 1: least want to face in the playoffs. And Herbert's five

953
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,359
Speaker 1: and the other three are somewhere in between, but they're

954
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: all really really good. Where I'm going with this is

955
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 1: I would love to keep Herbert and Burrow out of

956
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 1: the playoffs, just.

957
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,439
Speaker 3: Because they're probably not going to keep them both, though

958
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 3: I would.

959
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 1: Burrow's a long shot at this point. Yeah, but if

960
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,240
Speaker 1: that's what that's the one argument where I could see

961
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: the Ravens win tonight. Well, that Charger path gets a

962
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 1: little harder. I'm much better play against Nicks or you

963
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 1: know two. Uh, but I think the Chargers is going

964
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: to be a playoff team.

965
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 3: I think they are too. It was seven wins right now, Wow?

966
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,320
Speaker 3: Can they get to can they get to nine?

967
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:32,879
Speaker 1: Yeah. Can they get to ten, Yeah, yeah, and that's

968
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 1: probably enough. Yeah, but I'd love to keep Burrow. I'd

969
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 1: love to keep Burrow out. That one's what is easier

970
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 1: said than the Herbert One's easier said than that. Yeah,

971
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 1: you get throw one. You know, if you beat them

972
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:46,879
Speaker 1: this week, they're.

973
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 3: Probably Yeah, now they're probably out because the best they

974
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 3: can do is get the nine wins.

975
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's sweeping at that point. Yeah.

976
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 3: And they have terrible tie breakers. Yeah, They're tie breakers

977
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 3: are not good. So yeah, it makes a nice game interesting.

978
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,399
Speaker 3: I mean, I you know, I think as a Steeler fan,

979
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:05,720
Speaker 3: you'd like to see the Ravens get.

980
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 1: Dealt to loss. I think so.

981
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 3: But if they don't, it's not the worst thing in

982
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 3: the world.

983
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:09,439
Speaker 1: Either.

984
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 3: You still have the you still fill the drivers, you

985
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 3: still have an opportunity to play them again and beat

986
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 3: them again. You've won eight of the last nine against them,

987
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,479
Speaker 3: and at this point, if.

988
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 1: Everybody wants a division, but being the five seed isn't terrible.

989
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:24,399
Speaker 3: But if you take care of business, if you beat

990
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 3: the Bengals twice and you beat the Ravens, or even

991
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 3: if you lose to the raven you still end up

992
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 3: in a tie for the division title. Assuming the Ravens

993
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 3: take care of the Browns later this season. If you

994
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:41,320
Speaker 3: both finish with two losses, you've got the better conference record,

995
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 3: and you your division chance.

996
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 1: Still very much in pole position and vision. Even with

997
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 1: the Ravens win tonight. There's such a domino ripple effect though,

998
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 1: if you beat the Bengals, yeah, because they're close to

999
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: elimination at that point and you played them the last

1000
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 1: week of the year, even gonna be motivated at that point,

1001
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: you know, you might get a shell of the Bengals.

1002
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: Maybe Steelers don't need either, but I'd love them to

1003
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 1: not have anything to play for.

1004
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, although for them, they're you know, playing to be

1005
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 3: If the Steelers have something on the line playing for,

1006
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:15,359
Speaker 3: that would certainly be staying.

1007
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: Like if Burrow has things he's been dealing with all year,

1008
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 1: which he has, Yeah, maybe a rest, you know, Yeah,

1009
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,800
Speaker 1: just Hagen's play that game. Yeah, play that game. Yeah.

1010
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,399
Speaker 3: So there's all that stuff that's happening with this team.

1011
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 3: But yeah, so enjoy the game tonight. She would be

1012
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 3: a good one. Yeah, And I hope you don't like

1013
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:35,720
Speaker 3: hearing Harbaugh because it's gonna be mentioned like seven thousand

1014
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 3: I don't know if you knew this or not, but

1015
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 3: their brothers.

1016
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:38,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, the brothers a pretty good coaches.

1017
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,399
Speaker 3: Yea, their dad was a coach, all that stuff. You're

1018
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 3: gonna hear that a thousand times tonight.

1019
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 1: So but I'm sure all that being said, if we

1020
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,800
Speaker 1: would have never had that last segment, everyone watching is

1021
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: still not going to root for the Ravens. Probably not.

1022
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 3: But and I don't blame it one bit one where

1023
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:59,280
Speaker 3: the other. I think this game benefits the Steelers.

1024
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, regardless of how Chargers wain, and really puts

1025
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,919
Speaker 1: you in pole position in the division as absolutely, Matt.

1026
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 1: That's going to do for our show. Yeah, fun one.

1027
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Speaker 3: Remember tomorrow, no video. We may have a show on

1028
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 3: YouTube a little different just format feature our smiling faces,

1029
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 3: but we still will do a show tomorrow. We got

1030
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,320
Speaker 3: a show on Wednesday as well, no show Thursday because

1031
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Speaker 3: of Thanksgiving, and then we'll be back Friday with our

1032
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 3: final previews of the week. But we got lots of.

1033
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 1: Ridings one three games to talk about, and there's a

1034
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:35,359
Speaker 1: game going on while we're on the air, I think too,

1035
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: and all kinds.

1036
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Speaker 3: Of all kinds of fun stuff. It's Black Friday. Yeah,

1037
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Speaker 3: all kinds of fun. Yeah, But for my partner Matt Williamson,

1038
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 3: for Justin Miller here on say running the Justin Miller Hotline,

1039
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Speaker 3: and for Tyler Viittmeyer here making sure our videos do

1040
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 3: make it out onto YouTube. I am Dale, Lolly. We

1041
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,399
Speaker 3: thank you for listening to this edition of the Drive

1042
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Speaker 3: on the Steelers Audio Network