Speaker 1: All right, welcome back. If you're just tuning in, you're
Speaker 1: listening to the Mark Mos Show. We're talking about, of course,
Speaker 1: each and every week, the decentralized revolution, how the world
Speaker 1: is changing right before our very eyes. And of course
Speaker 1: we talked about it through the lens of politics, finance,
Speaker 1: and technology, how those merge, and of course that technology
Speaker 1: is Bitcoin is the decentralized technology that's changing the world.
Speaker 1: And you know, I try to bring to you some
Speaker 1: you know, new stories to kind of change the way
Speaker 1: you see things, and some some of the latest breaking
Speaker 1: news of the week, and some interesting guests. And I
Speaker 1: have somebody um in the studio with me today, and
Speaker 1: that is somebody who has been living this decentralized life
Speaker 1: for a long period of time, longer than me, and
Speaker 1: actively building out the parallel economy, something I've been talking
Speaker 1: about over and over and over, and that is John Bush.
Speaker 1: He's the founder of the Live Free Academy, co producer
Speaker 1: of an event called the Greater Reset, which I'll actually
Speaker 1: be speaking at UM in Austin next weekend. And he's
Speaker 1: also the co founder of the Freedom Selling Network, with
Speaker 1: has over thirty five thousand freedom lovers working together and
Speaker 1: opting out of the system and building this parallel economy.
Speaker 1: Of course, Um last week I did a whole segment
Speaker 1: on the parallel economy, what it is, how important it is,
Speaker 1: how we do it, how we use it, how how
Speaker 1: we build it, etcetera. If you miss that, go back
Speaker 1: and listen to the episodes. You get the whole reference
Speaker 1: on what that is. We'll be talking about it more
Speaker 1: now and of course you can find that on my
Speaker 1: YouTube channel, Market Disruptors, or on on the podcast just
Speaker 1: search Market Moss podcast. But anyway, John, thanks so much
Speaker 1: for joining me today. Yeah, thanks for having me. Yeah. Man,
Speaker 1: So you know what cool work you're doing. You know,
Speaker 1: I talked about um quite often, how you know, the
Speaker 1: world scary and it's uncertain, and a lot of people
Speaker 1: are feeling demoralized. I think that's intentionally done so people
Speaker 1: don't want to act, and so people are like, well
Speaker 1: what why even bother? What can I do? And and
Speaker 1: I'm constantly just you know, virtually wanting to like slap
Speaker 1: people across the face and be like, come on, man,
Speaker 1: you're not a victim, Like build the world you want.
Speaker 1: That's kind of what I say all the time, and
Speaker 1: that that's basically what you're doing right, I mean, you're
Speaker 1: you're helping organized people to go do something right, go
Speaker 1: build the world they want. I mean, is that kind
Speaker 1: of how you see it or what you're doing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for the most part, that sums it up pretty well.
Speaker 1: I've been doing activism for twenty years now, and the
Speaker 1: first chunk of that was focused on protesting and waking
Speaker 1: people up about the conspiracy taking place. And then I
Speaker 1: got involved pretty heavily in politics. And while we had
Speaker 1: what could be considered victories, we stopped police officers from
Speaker 1: being trained to do blood withdrawals on the side of
Speaker 1: the road in Austin. We helped institute privacy policies for
Speaker 1: these Department of Homeland Security fusion centers, which like merged
Speaker 1: the FBI with the local police. But in reality, we
Speaker 1: were simply slowing the growth of tyranny. We weren't creating
Speaker 1: more freedom. That's when I shift my focus to what
Speaker 1: we like to call to call exit and build strategy.
Speaker 1: That's where you identify systems institutions that aren't in align
Speaker 1: it with your values of freedom, decentralization, bodily autonomy. Right,
Speaker 1: we identify those systems, we exit those systems, and we
Speaker 1: build the alternatives. When I say exit, I mean completely
Speaker 1: opt out. So eventually, one day we're all going to
Speaker 1: declare independence together wholeheartedly. But for some people, we need
Speaker 1: to build those systems first so as to clear the
Speaker 1: way for the peaceful opt out without losing all our
Speaker 1: property or ending up in jail. So that's basically my
Speaker 1: life submission is to create an environment where free people
Speaker 1: can enjoy political autonomy and self governance. MS has a
Speaker 1: big goal. I want to I want to dig into
Speaker 1: that as so many questions, but like, let's set the
Speaker 1: backs the back story up a little bit here. So, Um,
Speaker 1: you're from Texas. I believe you currently live on a
Speaker 1: on a farm, so you're probably kind of self sustained.
Speaker 1: You got your family. At one point you were, Um,
Speaker 1: I think you've been living completely off the financial system
Speaker 1: on bitcoin. I think at one point you were kind
Speaker 1: of traveling around the country in an r V. You live,
Speaker 1: like I said, live off the land. Kind of think,
Speaker 1: kind of give us a little bit of a backstory
Speaker 1: and then let's dig dig back into that exit and
Speaker 1: build strategy. Sure, sure, so I kind of I got
Speaker 1: involved with this whole world after watching a documentary by
Speaker 1: Alex Jones in Austin on cable Access. It's called nine
Speaker 1: eleven Road to Tyranny. And so I was a big
Speaker 1: Alex Jones fan back in the day, but he kind
Speaker 1: of went a little far right and kind of reactive
Speaker 1: for my tastes. But anyway, that was a big eye opener,
Speaker 1: and I was like, Wow, what they're telling us about
Speaker 1: this whole nine eleven event that's had such an impact
Speaker 1: on so many people, a lot of his total bs
Speaker 1: and so that kind of led me down the rabbit
Speaker 1: hole of researching counsel and form relations, trylateral commission, all
Speaker 1: this stuff. Um. I got involved in the American Civil
Speaker 1: Liberties Union on campus to push back on uh, you know,
Speaker 1: dissent them them like trying to limit our free speech
Speaker 1: on campus, pushing back against the war and stuff. And
Speaker 1: I learned about Ron Paul in two thousand seven, two
Speaker 1: thousand eight for his presidential campaign. Actually got to interview
Speaker 1: him recently for this homeschool summit that we did. That
Speaker 1: was quite the privilege and honor. But I learned about libertarianism,
Speaker 1: and of course Ron Paul didn't win the presidential campaign
Speaker 1: in two thousand and eight, the world would probably be
Speaker 1: a different place had he. But we managed to find
Speaker 1: around nine hundred to a thousand people in Austin that
Speaker 1: we're all libertarians. Some of them were constitutional conservative types,
Speaker 1: but some of our radical libertarians later turned into voluntaryists. Right,
Speaker 1: those are folks that believe all human relationships should be voluntary.
Speaker 1: I said, what a concept. What's that? I said, what
Speaker 1: a concept? We own our bodies and deserve self respect.
Speaker 1: But anyway, we got we got really involved in local politics.
Speaker 1: We started a political action committee called Texans for Accountable Government,
Speaker 1: which is still around to this day. Uh. And it
Speaker 1: was very passionate about it, and we'd show up to
Speaker 1: city council. We'd actually have legislation authored by friendly council members,
Speaker 1: friendly legislatures in the Texas ledge. But like I said,
Speaker 1: you know, I started to learn about libertarianism, and that
Speaker 1: I learned about this guy, Murray Rothbard, who talks about
Speaker 1: anarcho capitalism, and then from him I learned about Samuel
Speaker 1: Edward Conkin. In this philosophy more of a strategy of agorism,
Speaker 1: revolutionary market anarchism. This is some of the philosophical underpinions
Speaker 1: of parallel economies. He called it the counter economy, right,
Speaker 1: And so simultaneously I'm learning about true freedom, about how
Speaker 1: we ought to coexist with our fellow human beings, about
Speaker 1: how systems need to be decentralized in order for them
Speaker 1: to be more just. Uh. And I was still banging
Speaker 1: my head against the wall, shouting at government buildings, having
Speaker 1: these minor victories that weren't really even a step forward.
Speaker 1: We're just slowing the steps back that we were taking
Speaker 1: towards tyranny. So I started to experiment with the creation
Speaker 1: of what I used to call parallel institutions, alternative institutions,
Speaker 1: parallel economies, counter economy, whatever you wanna call it. We
Speaker 1: would encourage people to trade with silver dimes. So we'd
Speaker 1: go to farmers markets and talk to all the vendors
Speaker 1: and say, hey, would you guys consider accepting silver times?
Speaker 1: Did you know silver and still has that sound money there?
Speaker 1: Most people just thought we were kind of ridiculous, But
Speaker 1: every once in a while you come across an old
Speaker 1: farmer and they're like, oh, yeah, anything we can do
Speaker 1: to stick it to the Federal and Reserve. So I
Speaker 1: thought that was pretty cool. But that was before I
Speaker 1: learned about bitcoin. I learned about bitcoin twelve or so. Actually,
Speaker 1: somebody told me I should mind bitcoin using my laptop.
Speaker 1: That's when you could pop out fifty bitcoin every approximately
Speaker 1: ten minutes, and I'll never forget I. I responded, said,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm really busy right now. Maybe I has
Speaker 1: had some time aside to learn about it. That was
Speaker 1: a valuable lesson that everybody should at least reserve some
Speaker 1: brain power to take advantage of an opportunity if it
Speaker 1: gets put in front of you. But when we learned
Speaker 1: more about bitcoin, it really became clear, like this is
Speaker 1: a technology that's very liberating. Of course, back then we
Speaker 1: thought that it would end the FED, but really these
Speaker 1: central bankers are pretty dastardly, and that now they're leveraging
Speaker 1: some blockchain technology for some of their central bank digital
Speaker 1: currency schemes. But nonetheless, this really just started a pursuit
Speaker 1: of creating freedom now, not waiting for politicians to do
Speaker 1: the right thing, not waiting for plus one of the
Speaker 1: voting public to come around to the ideas of freedom,
Speaker 1: but asking ourselves, what can we do right now in
Speaker 1: this moment to create more freedom for ourselves, our children,
Speaker 1: and the future generations to come. And it was around
Speaker 1: this time Also, I had this idea for the Freedom
Speaker 1: Cell Network. I realized that, you know, the lone wolf,
Speaker 1: the guy that's all alone, standing up, opting out, saying
Speaker 1: no is is very vulnerable. Well, what if we could
Speaker 1: bring together thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of
Speaker 1: like minded people that all work together to support one another,
Speaker 1: to provide for our common ones and needs through mutually beneficial,
Speaker 1: voluntary association, not coercion, not highly centralized big corporations that
Speaker 1: are mostly corrupt. And that was the birth of this idea,
Speaker 1: the Freedom Selling Network. My good friend Derek Rows took
Speaker 1: the idea and ran with it, started groups in Houston.
Speaker 1: Let's let's let's let's let's take a break. Right there
Speaker 1: so much good information I want to dig into. We've
Speaker 1: gotta take a short break, but I do want to
Speaker 1: find out. I have so many questions I've been kind
Speaker 1: of writing down, and you've been talking about, um, the
Speaker 1: opting out and what happens that with that, and and
Speaker 1: and pushing back and kind of what you experienced, so
Speaker 1: much to dig into you. We're gonna really unpack this.
Speaker 1: So if you're just tune in, you're listening to the
Speaker 1: Mark Moss Show. I'm in studio with John Bush talking
Speaker 1: about how to create a free society. We're back with
Speaker 1: more in a minute. You don't want to miss it,
Speaker 1: don't go away. I'll be right back. All right, Welcome back.
Speaker 1: If you're just tuning in, you're listening to the Mark
Speaker 1: Mos Show. We're talking about, of course, each and every week,
Speaker 1: the decentralized revolution. How the world is changing, and it
Speaker 1: changes for many reasons, and one of those is if
Speaker 1: we intentionally want to change it. And that's what we're
Speaker 1: talking about today. I'm in studio with John Bush, founder
Speaker 1: of the Live Free Academy, co producer of the Greater
Speaker 1: Reset event that's happening in Austin, Texas UM at the
Speaker 1: end of this month. I'll be out there speaking. You
Speaker 1: can check it out check out their website. And he's
Speaker 1: also the co founder of the Freedom Cell Network freedom
Speaker 1: Lovers working together. If you're trying to find a tribe
Speaker 1: community people that understand what you're looking at, check that out.
Speaker 1: But anyway, John, you were kind of giving us this
Speaker 1: whole backstory, which was was amazing. UM, you know, I
Speaker 1: was gonna listen to your story and how you kind
Speaker 1: of went down this path of being very fired up,
Speaker 1: gung ho about politics, right, super involved, super passionate, and
Speaker 1: then you kind of realize that, I like your analogy,
Speaker 1: we're just slowing things. We're not we're not actually changing things. Um.
Speaker 1: And so you kind of have this like excited build strategy,
Speaker 1: which which you're you're modeling in your own life. And
Speaker 1: I'm sure you're working with with these these freedoms on
Speaker 1: network people. But you know, I think about that, um, Like,
Speaker 1: you can opt out. Iron Ran would say that you
Speaker 1: can choose to ignore reality, but you can't ignore the
Speaker 1: consequences of reality. And so like, um, I'm opting out, um,
Speaker 1: But does that really change anything? Because now I'm ignoring it,
Speaker 1: but I'm not, you know, I can't ignore the consequences,
Speaker 1: Like the world is still gonna change, right. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: that's a great point that you bring up, and it's
Speaker 1: something that we ought to address strategically. So this excitent
Speaker 1: build thing, part of it is encouraging people to exit
Speaker 1: the cities, to buy land and build community in the country,
Speaker 1: to become more self reliant, more independent of those centralized
Speaker 1: systems and oftentime. In fact, we do this Exit and
Speaker 1: Build Land Summit every May where we do just that,
Speaker 1: We encourage people, We teach people practically what they need
Speaker 1: to do in order to get out of there, because
Speaker 1: that's where this whole smart city agenda is going to
Speaker 1: roll out, That's where the great reset is going to
Speaker 1: be most impactful on people's lives is in the big cities.
Speaker 1: Uh So, a lot of people push back and they
Speaker 1: respond like, well, you guys are that's escapism, that's defeatism,
Speaker 1: it's retreatism. I think, honestly, nothing could be further from
Speaker 1: the truth what we're trying to do. And one of
Speaker 1: the big challenges that we have as free people is
Speaker 1: proving to people that there's another way to live, showing
Speaker 1: people demonstrating that there's another way to organize society that
Speaker 1: isn't dependent on government and is void of coercion forcing
Speaker 1: people to do things that they may not want to do.
Speaker 1: So what we're trying to do is prove out a
Speaker 1: decentralized model of existence and then you know, be nice
Speaker 1: and friendly to the masses and say, hey, everybody, you
Speaker 1: should check it out. There's a different way to live,
Speaker 1: and it doesn't have to be this wholehearted thing. There's
Speaker 1: different ways to show this. For example, you can exit
Speaker 1: the government schools and build homeschool coops. You can exit
Speaker 1: reliance or dependence on the banks and credit cards and
Speaker 1: build out decentralized financial networks using bitcoin. Right, you can
Speaker 1: exit your dependence on the pharmaceutical industrial complex. Eat better, exercise,
Speaker 1: have a stress less stress life, and visit natural health practitioners.
Speaker 1: So it's all of these different things that I believe
Speaker 1: are going to lead to a higher quality of life.
Speaker 1: And somebody's got can exit and you can exit mainstream media,
Speaker 1: start your own media outlets. And I was like, like,
Speaker 1: we're on right now, yep. And and so yeah, we're
Speaker 1: not just necessarily ignoring politics or thinking it's going to escape.
Speaker 1: But it's my belief if enough of us hop on
Speaker 1: board with this accident build strategy, if enough of us
Speaker 1: help and start utilizing the parallel economies, then maybe someday
Speaker 1: they'll be the masses will see us over here happy,
Speaker 1: you know, playing with our kids in the best health,
Speaker 1: experiencing true wealth and abundance, and they'll want a piece
Speaker 1: of the action and they'll come join us. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: that's that's the exact approach. I mean, obviously I agree
Speaker 1: with you wholeheartedly. And like I said, I dedicated a
Speaker 1: whole hour to talking about this last week, and I'm
Speaker 1: running an event here in a couple of weeks called
Speaker 1: the um basically teaching people how to actually build in
Speaker 1: this new parallel economy. I think there's a massive opportunity
Speaker 1: there for people because we we need this all to
Speaker 1: get built out and people want this, and that's a
Speaker 1: market disruptors of virtual you can check that out markets
Speaker 1: up to virtual dot com. But um, you know, I
Speaker 1: think I think it's a huge attinuity. So I so
Speaker 1: I agree with you there. I was just curious kind
Speaker 1: of what your what your take was on that. Now, Um,
Speaker 1: the Land Summit, that's pretty cool. Um, I like that.
Speaker 1: And then the Greater Reset. You're doing a lot of
Speaker 1: things here. Let's talk about this Greater Reset event for
Speaker 1: a minute, So, um, what's going on with that? And
Speaker 1: like kind of what's the intention just to kind of
Speaker 1: wake people up kind of what you're doing with your
Speaker 1: original activision activism type stuff. Sure. So, my good friend
Speaker 1: and cohort Derek Burrows, we work together, we work together
Speaker 1: at the Freedom Cell stuff. When we first started learning
Speaker 1: a whole lot about this Great Reset agenda, we recognize
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people that are kind of freaking out,
Speaker 1: writing articles about it, watching documentaries about it, and for
Speaker 1: those not familiar, I'm sure most of your audience is
Speaker 1: a where the great recesses effort by the World Economic
Speaker 1: Forum to centralize, to merge biology and technology, basically to
Speaker 1: reshape life as we know it. It's really all about
Speaker 1: capital and capitalism, stakeholder capitalism. It's just all control. I
Speaker 1: could like to call it the new World Order two
Speaker 1: point know, and the technology does exist for this to
Speaker 1: you know, be pretty pretty bad for future generations if
Speaker 1: we allow it to fully come to fruition. But nonetheless,
Speaker 1: we said, what if we put together this event and
Speaker 1: instead of just complaining and whining about it, we helped
Speaker 1: to empower people. So the whole goal is to bring
Speaker 1: together visionaries, activists, entrepreneurs, people that are doing cool stuff
Speaker 1: in the world, solutions oriented people like yourself, and to
Speaker 1: have them share their tips, tactics, and strategies with the audience,
Speaker 1: so the audience leaves with the information they need to
Speaker 1: pursue greater freedom in their lives. So we're not satisfied
Speaker 1: with the status quo of how society has operated. We
Speaker 1: most definitely don't want things to be further centralized and
Speaker 1: further corrupted. So we're trying to offer an alternative to
Speaker 1: the Great Reset that we're calling the Greater Reset. Anybody
Speaker 1: can watch the free online as well. They'll be able
Speaker 1: to watch for free January eighth through they and people
Speaker 1: can sign up there and the Greater Reset dot Org
Speaker 1: the Greater Reset dot Org or better yet, you can
Speaker 1: join us in person in Central Texas to see Mark
Speaker 1: there in person along with Alexeck, Jack Spirco and several
Speaker 1: other really cool peeps. Zoobie and JPN Seers will be
Speaker 1: at the concert on Saturday night, so we're really excited
Speaker 1: about that as well. Yeah, two good buddies of mine,
Speaker 1: both JP and uh and and Zoobie. I'm looking forward
Speaker 1: to getting together with them when I'm there. The Greater
Speaker 1: Reset dot Org is is the domain there. Um. I
Speaker 1: want to get more back into this kind of parallel economy.
Speaker 1: Like I said, this is the part that I'm focused on.
Speaker 1: I think it's where we have the most change. You know,
Speaker 1: to the point that you kind of discovered as you
Speaker 1: were talking about, like um through through politics were just
Speaker 1: you know, slowing down the inevitable Um, I constantly kind
Speaker 1: of reference back to Socrates who said, focus all your
Speaker 1: energy not on fighting the old, but I'm building the
Speaker 1: new right, and so like, um, you know, being in California,
Speaker 1: I mean, the school systems here are just a disaster.
Speaker 1: Like you do not want your kids in the school
Speaker 1: system at all. And um, you know, my wife originally
Speaker 1: wanted to get involved and start going to the school
Speaker 1: board meetings and she's getting other parents and they're doing
Speaker 1: all these things, and it's just like, what a waste
Speaker 1: of time, effort, and energy where we could take a
Speaker 1: fraction at that time. And to your point, you already
Speaker 1: kind of said, like why not start a home school pod? Right?
Speaker 1: And then and then and then what an opportunity. I mean,
Speaker 1: you've got teachers, some of our friends that our teachers
Speaker 1: are just disgusted with what they have to teach the
Speaker 1: kids these days, and they're making whatever fifty sixty a year.
Speaker 1: You can grab ten students and make more money just
Speaker 1: doing a home school pod than you could being a teacher,
Speaker 1: you know. And and so there's an opportunity to make money,
Speaker 1: and you have an opportunity to change the world at
Speaker 1: the same time. I want to talk more about that,
Speaker 1: and we'll we'll talk maybe some of these different things
Speaker 1: that you um see some opportunity to see within there.
Speaker 1: If you're just tuning in, you're listening to the Mark
Speaker 1: Moa Show of course, we talked about the decentralized Revolution,
Speaker 1: how the world is swinging from a centralized world to
Speaker 1: a decentralized world. Nietzsche said that which is falling, shall
Speaker 1: ye also push? And we're pushing on that at im
Speaker 1: in studio with John and we are talking about that.
Speaker 1: We'll be back with more in a minute, um, talking
Speaker 1: about the parallel economy, what it is, how you can
Speaker 1: profit from it, how you can change the world. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be exciting. Don't go away. We right back, all right,
Speaker 1: welcome back. If you're just tune in, you're listening to
Speaker 1: the Mark mos Show of course, each every week talking
Speaker 1: about the de centralized Revolution. I'm in the studio now
Speaker 1: with John Bush, the founder of the Live Free Academy,
Speaker 1: producer of the Greater Reset event happening in Austin January
Speaker 1: twenty second. I'll be there speaking the Greater Reset dot org.
Speaker 1: You can check it out. Um, John, let's let's tag
Speaker 1: more into this parallel economy. It's just so exciting. So, um,
Speaker 1: politics is a waste of time and effort and energy.
Speaker 1: You're only slowing it down. Um, you have the exit
Speaker 1: and build strategy, So like, let's exit these legacy institutions
Speaker 1: of education, finance, health, politics, etcetera, and then go build
Speaker 1: alternatives to those. So just like we can exit watching
Speaker 1: CNN and we can start our own podcast or YouTube channel,
Speaker 1: all right, can exit public education and create a homeschool
Speaker 1: pod and we can talk about that. But Um, while
Speaker 1: that helps the people that participate in it, and while
Speaker 1: it also helps maybe um cushion the blow for the
Speaker 1: inevitable collapse that that's probably coming. Um, does how how
Speaker 1: do you see it actually changing the system doing good?
Speaker 1: As opposed to you? You call it escapism whatever, So like,
Speaker 1: how does it actually change create change that way? Well,
Speaker 1: you know, my views have evolved in my strategy is
Speaker 1: ever changing. Although I'm pretty sure this excellent build thing
Speaker 1: is the way, right like the Mandalorian this this is
Speaker 1: the way? Um? But but is that is that? Is
Speaker 1: that through just getting so many people to escape the
Speaker 1: one system and then into a new system. So like
Speaker 1: if if I'm here at my studio and I got
Speaker 1: a bunch of people here and I'm like, hey, you're
Speaker 1: too loud, you go outside, and hey, I don't like
Speaker 1: you go outside. And eventually I kicked so many people
Speaker 1: outside that I have no control over them because now
Speaker 1: they have their own event going. And as it wasn't
Speaker 1: more like that. Well, basically, I'm not interested in saving everybody,
Speaker 1: and uh, I have. I'm a compassionate person, but most
Speaker 1: of the public in this world, especially in the United
Speaker 1: States of America, they don't want the freedom that I'm seeking.
Speaker 1: So our hope is to find enough people, and I
Speaker 1: believe enough of us are already out there. If we
Speaker 1: just simply shifted our focus away from the reactionary nature
Speaker 1: of politics and social media towards the proactive exit and
Speaker 1: build strategy. Working together with other people, I do believe
Speaker 1: we can achieve liberty in our our lifetime, or at
Speaker 1: least we can set the stage for our children, or
Speaker 1: perhaps one generation beyond our children, uh, to experience real freedom.
Speaker 1: It's going to take strength in numbers. We've already assembled
Speaker 1: over thirty five thousand people, many of whom are working together.
Speaker 1: Many of them are already opted out completely. My friend
Speaker 1: Derek lives in Mexico. He doesn't pay taxes, he doesn't
Speaker 1: have bank accounts, he exists solely on cryptocurrency. So it's possible.
Speaker 1: It's just to take time, and I want to encourage
Speaker 1: people to adopt the long view of history and not
Speaker 1: for not to expect us to do this overnight. The
Speaker 1: faster that you do it with the true opt out,
Speaker 1: which is true independence, which in some cases you may
Speaker 1: have to defy some of these unjust laws, the more
Speaker 1: risk you put yourself at. So I'm I'm after a slow, methodical,
Speaker 1: gradual building of the systems and the institutions necessary to
Speaker 1: insulate us from harm once we do inevitably declare our independence.
Speaker 1: But like I said, not everybody wants to go along.
Speaker 1: People are frightened to death of the personal responsibility that
Speaker 1: comes with true freedom. I don't want to take away
Speaker 1: the comfort that they may find in government. So we're
Speaker 1: really just looking out for people that think like we do,
Speaker 1: and again, hopefully we're able to create an alternative system
Speaker 1: that's appealing to those people because they see how happy,
Speaker 1: healthy and prosperous we are, and and that's such a
Speaker 1: that's such a great thing. It's like and and that's
Speaker 1: really I think the difference between the two models is like,
Speaker 1: let me go model this for you and hopefully it's
Speaker 1: attractive enough that you want to join, versus politics wants
Speaker 1: to force you to comply, right, And that's the difference,
Speaker 1: Like we're not trying to force anybody anything, but like, hey,
Speaker 1: let's go show you this model that might be attractive.
Speaker 1: The other thing I would say is, of course I
Speaker 1: agree with you on the fact that not everybody wants this,
Speaker 1: and so um Samuel Adams said it doesn't take a
Speaker 1: majority to prevail, rather a small I rate minority. And
Speaker 1: so we have to understand that the majority the masses,
Speaker 1: they don't know what they want, they don't think about it,
Speaker 1: they don't care about it, they just go along with whatever.
Speaker 1: In Dr Matais Desmond's work on the uh mass formation psychosis,
Speaker 1: he talks about how, um, there's of the people that
Speaker 1: are just gonna go along with whatever, and then at
Speaker 1: the bottom that will always resist it, and there's that
Speaker 1: in the middle. Um. And so you know, if you
Speaker 1: look at the revolution of the United States, um, the
Speaker 1: American Revolution, it was a very small minority that that
Speaker 1: pushed that revolution. And so I look at it like
Speaker 1: to to your point, most people aren't paying attention, most
Speaker 1: people don't care, most people don't want it. But we
Speaker 1: can go do this for the masses, right, I think
Speaker 1: we can influence it. But I would say, um, the
Speaker 1: way that I view it is is maybe a little
Speaker 1: bit bigger um in a sense where obviously I agree
Speaker 1: with you, but it's not just escapism. Um. The way
Speaker 1: I see it is that you know, I agree that
Speaker 1: voting at the polls is a waste of time, but
Speaker 1: I do believe the most important vote we have is
Speaker 1: with our our money, maybe our feet, our feet as well. Right,
Speaker 1: So California has a mass exit, is uh, Florida's the
Speaker 1: main beneficiary for example, we can vote with our feet. Uh.
Speaker 1: Tesla left California. They went to Texas. So voting with
Speaker 1: your feet, but also voting with your money. And so
Speaker 1: what I'm seeing and I'm super super positive about, is
Speaker 1: like black Rock, you know, evil empire, if you will, right,
Speaker 1: taking all these people's pensions and then basically using it
Speaker 1: against them, right, pushing E s G policies and things
Speaker 1: like that. And now I think we have six states
Speaker 1: that have pulled all their money away from black Rock,
Speaker 1: and now like eighteen States are suing banks over E
Speaker 1: s G policies and now Black Rocks on the defensive.
Speaker 1: Right now, they're like putting up pr whoa, whoa, whoa, wha.
Speaker 1: We're not as evil as you think we are. Um. Now, Vanguard,
Speaker 1: the number two pension funds that they have now abandoned
Speaker 1: their entire net zero goals. Right, and so just look
Speaker 1: at so we have corporations that really affect more change
Speaker 1: than policies potentially, right. Um, so we have you know,
Speaker 1: the Coca Colas and the Disneys that have gone woke
Speaker 1: and they're listening to the Twitter mob if you will.
Speaker 1: But when customers actually start pulling money away from them,
Speaker 1: that's when they'll really change. And so if we can
Speaker 1: pull money away from Black Rock, they'll before so change.
Speaker 1: If we can pull money away from T Mobile, uh,
Speaker 1: go to my Patriot mobile, T Mobile will be changed.
Speaker 1: And So I think by opting out, by taking our
Speaker 1: money with us, I think you could. I think you
Speaker 1: can make massive change. I think it could happen actually
Speaker 1: really quickly. Yeah, I'm with you for sure. And money,
Speaker 1: money talks money. There's a lot of power in money
Speaker 1: and where people put their money. So it's up to
Speaker 1: each and every one of us to do everything we
Speaker 1: can to live as consistently with our values as possible.
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of conscious lifestyle design, so becoming
Speaker 1: aware of what pieces, what components of our life we
Speaker 1: are not in alignment with our integrity, And of course
Speaker 1: the type of corporations you to do business with has
Speaker 1: a lot to do with that. So but again, you know,
Speaker 1: against politics, this is like a culture change that's happening,
Speaker 1: and so I do see value in waking people up, communication,
Speaker 1: having outlets like you do with this radio show, social
Speaker 1: media promotion to try to shift the culture, and then
Speaker 1: oftentimes the businesses follow, and then ultimately politics follows beyond that.
Speaker 1: But what we're trying to do is like I'm not,
Speaker 1: I'm very impatient guy. Uh as far as what I'm
Speaker 1: spending my time on, I do see that it's going
Speaker 1: to take a long term, but there's certain shortcuts we
Speaker 1: can take to experience greater freedom and prosperity in our
Speaker 1: lives right now, and hopefully enough of us are starting
Speaker 1: to get this. I think COVID kind of awakened a
Speaker 1: sleeping giant. To be honest, I think they overplayed their
Speaker 1: hand and now there's more and more people that are
Speaker 1: questioning things, seeing the E S. G. Sk AM concerned
Speaker 1: about the Central bank digital currencies than ever before. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to talk about that, you know, as I
Speaker 1: as I as I've kind of said, and I say
Speaker 1: every every week on my show, is that, Um, it's
Speaker 1: really technology that changes the world more than anything. If
Speaker 1: you look back to thousands of years of history, small
Speaker 1: little technical technological shifts create massive change. Printing press, the
Speaker 1: printing press obviously a big one, and there's lots of them.
Speaker 1: I mean you can look at even like a little
Speaker 1: one like uh, you know, forever we've had horses and
Speaker 1: the Roman Empire they rode horses and got off to fight,
Speaker 1: and then they invented a stirrup, and then because of
Speaker 1: the stirrup, now they could actually fight on the horse.
Speaker 1: And that allowed the entire feudal system to get built
Speaker 1: up because now a night on a horse could now
Speaker 1: handle a hundred surfs, right, Um, But then fift hundred
Speaker 1: you had the gunpot of revolution, and now one serf
Speaker 1: could take out a hundred nights. And like that, one
Speaker 1: technological shift change the world, um, And I believe bitcoin
Speaker 1: is doing that. But also we have c b dcs
Speaker 1: and so we have technology, social credit score systems, health passport,
Speaker 1: you know, checkpoints, and the c B d c s
Speaker 1: appeared to be the last piece they need to bring
Speaker 1: all that together. I gotta take a quick break, but
Speaker 1: when I come back, I want to dig into the
Speaker 1: c B d C piece and get your opinion if
Speaker 1: you think that's really what kind of brings us back together. Um,
Speaker 1: you know how bad it is, what it can do, Um,
Speaker 1: how close we are maybe to it. And then more importantly,
Speaker 1: I think you kind of have a plan of a
Speaker 1: way to kind of opt out, push back and maybe
Speaker 1: stop it. And uh, I've I've made some comment content
Speaker 1: saying I think this is the battle for the fate
Speaker 1: of humanity over this point. It's that big. So you
Speaker 1: listen to the Mark Mo Show. I'm in the studio
Speaker 1: with John Bush. We're gonna talk about CBDCs when we
Speaker 1: come back. You don't want to miss it. Don't go
Speaker 1: away and we'll be right back. All right, welcome back.
Speaker 1: If you just tune in, you're listening to the Mark
Speaker 1: Mo Show. We're talking about each and every week, of course,
Speaker 1: the decentralized Revolution. I'm in the studio with a John
Speaker 1: Bush where he is the founder of the Live Free Academy.
Speaker 1: You should check that out. Also the producer co producer
Speaker 1: of the Greater Reset event that's coming up to search
Speaker 1: a Greater Reset event dot org. I'm speaking there in
Speaker 1: Austin next week. And he's the co founder of the
Speaker 1: Freedom Sell network Freedom Lovers working together. So you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's the world's changing fast and a lot of
Speaker 1: us have lost friends, maybe even connection to family over
Speaker 1: over what's going on. And having a core community is
Speaker 1: so important. And that's why I run lots of live
Speaker 1: events because you need to come. I need to meet people,
Speaker 1: you need to make new friends. UM. I've been kind
Speaker 1: of having this realization that I think we should be
Speaker 1: changing our friends as we go through life because we
Speaker 1: should be evolving. And that's a whole different story, um, John,
Speaker 1: Before the break, we were talking about how technology really
Speaker 1: is what reshapes the world. I've I've had many talks
Speaker 1: talking about this battle for the fate of humanity that
Speaker 1: I think is brewing this decade where if um, you know,
Speaker 1: we get this Chinese social credit score system, UM, we
Speaker 1: already know, um that social media networks use manipulation to
Speaker 1: change the information that we see to indoctrinate us, censor
Speaker 1: us obviously keep us apart um. Then they put in
Speaker 1: this like health passport system, which the G twenty just
Speaker 1: recently met on and agreed that they want to do
Speaker 1: this for the top twenty countries UM. And it seems
Speaker 1: to me the last pieces the CBDC controlling the money
Speaker 1: UM and programmable money. And if they get all of
Speaker 1: that together and implemented, which is still a far off,
Speaker 1: but it's not that far off. If that were to happen, man,
Speaker 1: it could make the chance of another revolution very difficult,
Speaker 1: if not almost impossible, like this matrix type world. UM.
Speaker 1: So let's talk about the c b d CS. What
Speaker 1: you think about that? And uh, is that the piece
Speaker 1: that ties us all together? Yeah? So those three pieces,
Speaker 1: the social credit score system, vaccine passport which was really
Speaker 1: like a control of your freedom of movement, and of
Speaker 1: course they're trying to implement the world economic forms pushing
Speaker 1: this personal carbon allowance, so like every month they allowed
Speaker 1: a certain number of carbon credits. Right. I think that's
Speaker 1: what they'll use the vaccine passport infrastructure for. And then
Speaker 1: of course the central bank digital currencies, and I think
Speaker 1: the piece that's missing. There is the digital I D
Speaker 1: that's it will tie together for this. I wish I
Speaker 1: could say trifecta, but there's four pieces. I don't know
Speaker 1: what word to use for that. But um, I think
Speaker 1: it's a lot of it's a lot of problems if
Speaker 1: all of that gets implemented, and um, like I said,
Speaker 1: I've been studying this conspiracy for twenty years, but back
Speaker 1: then it was like, we need to speak out, we
Speaker 1: need to wake people up because they're trying to set
Speaker 1: up this new world order. Well fast forward fIF twenty
Speaker 1: years and now the technology exists to really set up
Speaker 1: a digital feudal system that, as you pointed out correctly,
Speaker 1: could stop the cycle of revolutions. That's how I view
Speaker 1: history is in terms of revolutions and the challenge that
Speaker 1: a lot of people that will overthrow the ruling class
Speaker 1: only to become the ruling class themselves, which is why
Speaker 1: we need to abandon this state altogether and utilize these transparent,
Speaker 1: decentralized systems as a means of social organization. But I'm
Speaker 1: with you, I'm very concerned about the central bank bank
Speaker 1: digital currencies. It's not a question of if it's going
Speaker 1: to happen. It's a question of when. So one thing
Speaker 1: I'm trying to teach my community is some proactive steps
Speaker 1: we can all take now bitcoin, Bitcoin being a huge piece,
Speaker 1: so we can preemptively opt out of that matrix system.
Speaker 1: I don't know what we're gonna do about the income
Speaker 1: tax and property tax, because those most definitely you're gonna
Speaker 1: be you're gonna be forced to pay those in these
Speaker 1: stinking CBDCs. But other than that, we can start building
Speaker 1: these parallel economies now in order to already have trade
Speaker 1: relationships with other people that are looking to reject this system.
Speaker 1: And why do you look at I mean so, uh,
Speaker 1: you know a lot of people think, um that you know,
Speaker 1: fiat money has as run its course. Uh you know,
Speaker 1: we have thirty one trillion dollars in debt, We've you know,
Speaker 1: hundreds of trillions of dollars of fiat currency has been created.
Speaker 1: It's created all these distortions, inflation and socio economic problems, etcetera. Um,
Speaker 1: and we're at the end of this hunted your sovereign
Speaker 1: debt bubble. And uh, you know, fiat money is dying,
Speaker 1: which it always does, always trends back to zero. And
Speaker 1: the governments are gonna save everything, We're gonna move us
Speaker 1: on to a CBDC system, And I'm like, it's still
Speaker 1: fiat currency. There's nothing different. And over of all transactions
Speaker 1: are done digitally anyway. I hate to admit I don't
Speaker 1: care a lot of cash. I just use my debit
Speaker 1: cards and credit cards. Right, So we're already using digital
Speaker 1: and so is the CBDC any different. Well, the big difference,
Speaker 1: of course, is that it's gonna be programmable, so there's
Speaker 1: like smart contract technology that will be utilized. Not all
Speaker 1: CBDCs are even gonna be blockchain technology. They're most definitely
Speaker 1: not gonna be decentralized. I think there's a bit of
Speaker 1: a misnomber with a lot of people's thinking on that front.
Speaker 1: But the big difference is the ability to track and surveil.
Speaker 1: So now if you use your credit card and debit
Speaker 1: card for everything, sure visa Bank of a America. They
Speaker 1: are able to keep tabs, but it's not centralized. And
Speaker 1: if the federal government wanted to come snoop in your transactions,
Speaker 1: the would at least have to do a little bit
Speaker 1: of work, maybe a subpoena here or there, or just
Speaker 1: backdoor into whatever major institution or whatever tech company. Right,
Speaker 1: but with the central bank digital currencies, it's possible that
Speaker 1: they circumvent commercial banks altogether. And there's a direct relationship
Speaker 1: between the FED, which is like evil you know, enemy
Speaker 1: number one, the evil empire and the individual. And then
Speaker 1: on top of that the programmable nature. They do not
Speaker 1: have the ability at this points to issue reverse interest
Speaker 1: rates to try to stimulate the economy. So that's like
Speaker 1: if we're having a slow economic quarter, for example, all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, put a little ticker on your money,
Speaker 1: so maybe every day it loses a percentage of its
Speaker 1: value or something. This is already happening with inflation, but
Speaker 1: it will be a little more public and in your face.
Speaker 1: And then, of course, as we saw with the Canadian
Speaker 1: trucker movement, this freedom convoy, even people that didn't participate,
Speaker 1: they simply contributed financially to a peaceful freedom movement. They
Speaker 1: were locked out of their banks. And so I think
Speaker 1: the central bank digital currency, coupled with the digital i D,
Speaker 1: coupled with the social credit score, coupled with this vaccine, passport, infrastructure,
Speaker 1: checkpoint Charlie society, it's been called um that will make
Speaker 1: it a lot easier to control people and to give
Speaker 1: them a disincentive to speaking out against the status quo.
Speaker 1: I think that's my big concern, and that's not something
Speaker 1: that they can do so easily. Now, yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean that the programmable money pieces is not to be overlooked, right, So,
Speaker 1: um to your point, I mean, with enough you know,
Speaker 1: subpoenas or just whatever backdoor snooping, they can kind of
Speaker 1: get access to information. It's not super easy versus programming
Speaker 1: up front. So you already mentioned some of these carbon
Speaker 1: score tracking things like master cards working on ways that
Speaker 1: you can track your carbon score, so you know, you're
Speaker 1: only allowed allotted so many you know, so much carbon
Speaker 1: score and if you get over that, then your money
Speaker 1: doesn't work anymore. You can't buy certain things. You can't
Speaker 1: buy a plane ticket, or you can't buy red meat
Speaker 1: or something like that, or um to your point. You know, hey, John,
Speaker 1: you're saving way too much money, you're hoarding so you
Speaker 1: have a negative interest rate, or mark you're not saving
Speaker 1: enough will give you a positive interest rate. All types
Speaker 1: of societal behavioral changes, you know, appropriations, um, reparations, all
Speaker 1: things like that, or just you know, hey, smoking is
Speaker 1: no good and you can't buy cigarettes anymore. Hey, nothing
Speaker 1: good happens after midnight, and your money doesn't work up
Speaker 1: from midnight. I mean, who knows, right, who knows where
Speaker 1: that can go? But they programmed that in and so
Speaker 1: that's that's the big difference as opposed to trying to
Speaker 1: do this like long work around. Um, would you say
Speaker 1: that cb dcs are a threat to bitcoin? Yeah? So,
Speaker 1: I honestly think the CBDC thing has been um accelerated
Speaker 1: because bitcoin and cryptocurrency are growing so rapidly. So there
Speaker 1: is a chance that they further escalate their efforts to regulate,
Speaker 1: if not prohibit bitcoin. Now, a lot of people are
Speaker 1: just they're falsely believing they're just gonna ban bitcoin. Therefore,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get involved. And in fact, a lot
Speaker 1: of I think a lot of people make excuses about
Speaker 1: bitcoin because they feel insecure about their technological capabilities, and
Speaker 1: so they'll just say like they'll shut the Internet down
Speaker 1: or e M P, or they'll just make it illegal.
Speaker 1: Of course, we have to take into account that there's
Speaker 1: governments that are competing with one another. Right, so if
Speaker 1: bitcoin is made illegal in the United States of America,
Speaker 1: all of the industry innovation and taxing opportunity will be
Speaker 1: exported to Europe or wherever, although we're Europe seems a
Speaker 1: lot more hostile bitcoin anyway. So to answer your question,
Speaker 1: I think it'd be a big challenge for the CBDC
Speaker 1: system if Bitcoin continues to operate outside of that system.
Speaker 1: But it's up to each and every one of us
Speaker 1: to do what we can to grow that network right now? Yeah, great, great,
Speaker 1: All right, um. I think that CBDCs will help Bitcoin
Speaker 1: adoption because people will see the contrast and want to
Speaker 1: jump onto it. We'll have to see. You're listening to
Speaker 1: the Mark moshawb in a studio with John Bush. We're
Speaker 1: talking about the Greater Reset event I'm gonna be speaking at.
Speaker 1: Check it out Greater Reset dot org. Also check out
Speaker 1: Market Disruptors Virtual dot com for an event I'm doing,
Speaker 1: and we'll put links to all John stuff in the
Speaker 1: show notes. That's what we got. Thanks so much for listening.